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cold war era history by Rebecca Dollerduck - Mon, 08 Feb 2016 04:17:04 EST ID:guM++aHN No.56470 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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i am really interested in world history during the cold war era, and I want to learn more when it come to the history of Africa, South America, and the Middle east during this time in particular. Any books you /his/torians recommend?
In fact, just dump whatever links/books/articles/pictures whatever relating to cold war era history.
Lillian Clayforth - Mon, 08 Feb 2016 09:46:52 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know any books, but I do know some interesting bits to research.

The CIA disposed of the legitimate democratic Indonesian government (after that government started playing out the USA and the Soviet Union, for economic and political gains and to remain neutral) by giving lots of money to a military commander, which resulted into a coup, after which that military commander decided to "root out" communism by killing millions of people.
The irony was, the USA had helped that same Indonesian government into power by telling the Dutch government to back the fuck off, because after the Nazis were defeated in WW2, the first thing the Dutch government did after the Dutch military and navy was back on its feet, was send soldiers to Indonesia to crush any rebellion against Dutch rule (since the Japanese had destroyed the Dutch forces stationed in Indonesia and had supported Indonesian nationalist ideas). The US government basically insulted the Dutch government by comparing their military actions in Indonesia with the Nazis (which wasn't far off, because here in the Netherlands, photographs of mass graves and Indonesians being tortured among the possessions of former colonial soldiers that passed away are discovered with some frequency).
Anyway, the comparisons with the Nazis and the political pressure from other countries and from the people themselves (for a lot of Dutch people, the military actions in Indonesia had a bitter aftertaste because they still remembered the Nazis) caused the Dutch government to give the Indonesian people the freedom they deserved. And then the CIA dicked it all to hell.

Also, a genuine conspiracy theory. During the Six-Day-War, the Israeli navy and Israeli airforce tried to sink a US navy vessel the USS Liberty in international waters, near Egypt. It is claimed to be a mistake... but some people claim it was a trick to pull the USA into the Six-Day-War - which failed since the ship didn't sink, and not all crewmen died in the bombing and torpedo-ing.

why not make history? by Henry Mingerduck - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 06:06:34 EST ID:np0s4HuY No.56385 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Cyril Droddlechock - Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:47:19 EST ID:vuu302UU No.56427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol so many boards and you shit post here, why? Do you have a system?

I'll humor you.
History is made by historiographers, I studied CS instead. That's my excuse.
Cedric Henkinstone - Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:35:06 EST ID:ZgRRB0/F No.56430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i have also studied counter strike

Encyclopedia Hermetica: A Big History by Hamilton Habberdidging - Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:29:22 EST ID:ERGwlBhx No.56420 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey folks, I'm just shamelessly self-promoting my new podcast series here... good for you stoner academic folks.


PIRACY ----- DIARY ACCOUNTS? by George Giddlenedge - Thu, 19 Nov 2015 08:44:33 EST ID:Xu0VoTIh No.56305 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I am lead to believe that a high number of seamen in the 17th, 18th centuries were illiterate.
I want to know about the lives of pirates and the motives for their independence. People are strange and historical accounts of piracy don't tell me enough about what was going on in the minds of people sailing outside of navies/designated trading companies

SO:----- can anyone link me sources of first hand accounts from pirates? (those not affiliated with particular countries or corporations sailing 1600-1850 or thereabouts.... North African, European; diaries or anything else relevant would be great)
Phineas Daddledale - Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:16:10 EST ID:p74qgRg0 No.56308 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Motivations for their independence? jolly african-american they were just thieves living outside the law because they could. If they had safer, better options they would have taken them.
Simon Haddlefick - Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:47:52 EST ID:fFCl/TFP No.56313 Ignore Report Quick Reply



"Captain Charles Johnson, a pseudonym,[Note 1] wrote what became the first standard historical text on pirates, A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the Most Notorious Pyrates. That source relates the story of the Whydah overtaking a sloop commanded by Captain Beer. Bellamy had wanted to let the captain keep his ship, but his crew had just voted to burn it, and the captain of the merchant vessel had just declined an invitation to join the pirates. Bellamy is attributed with making this now-famous speech:
Gold recovered from the wreck of the Whydah. Forbes ranked Bellamy #1 in its list of "Top-Earning Pirates".[12]

"I am sorry they won't let you have your sloop again, for I scorn to do any one a mischief, when it is not to my advantage; damn the sloop, we must sink her, and she might be of use to you. Though you are a sneaking puppy, and so are all those who will submit to be governed by laws which rich men have made for their own security; for the cowardly whelps have not the courage otherwise to defend what they get by knavery; but damn ye altogether: damn them for a pack of crafty rascals, and you, who serve them, for a parcel of hen-hearted numbskulls. They vilify us, the scoundrels do, when there is only this difference, they rob the poor under the cover of law, forsooth, and we plunder the rich under the protection of our own courage. Had you not better make then one of us, than sneak after these villains for employment?"

  [Beer replied that his conscience would not let him break the laws of God and man, and Bellamy continued]

"You are a devilish conscience rascal! I am a free prince, and I have as much authority to make war on the whole world as he who has a hundred sail of ships at sea and an army of 100,000 men in the field; and this my conscience tells me! But there is no arguing with such snivelling puppies, who allow superiors to kick them about deck at pleasure."
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Reuben Bavingfack - Sat, 19 Dec 2015 00:19:05 EST ID:fxAlAqC/ No.56375 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Life in the Royal Navy was very very shit. I'm pretty sure that Bellamy himself was tricked into joining up with a merchant fleet, then was sold to the king of Spain as a sailor (obviously you couldn't run away from a ship at sea, so 'impressing' people into service aboard disease ridden ships was common). He and his friends stole the ship they were captive aboard and fucked off to the Carribean.

The pirate thing in the 17th-18th centuries was really a revolt of sailors against their shitty living conditions, and the tyranny of the captains.
Phoebe Suppershit - Sat, 19 Dec 2015 04:54:11 EST ID:2Ys9d91S No.56377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"A ship is worse than a gaol. There is, in a gaol, better air, better company, better conveniency of every kind; and a ship has the additional disadvantage of being in danger."

Communes by Betsy Gindleson - Mon, 09 Nov 2015 04:28:17 EST ID:h1qRarnt No.56273 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Do you have some early examples of what the geological structure of various settlements looks like in your countries?
I know about the roman Villa-system and the parish-system but I would like to know more, but most of all I'd like to be able to imagine what it was like living in the countryside a couple of hundred years ago.
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Archie Clayforth - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 01:31:33 EST ID:nFUrmaNy No.56296 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lol, assuming the other 15/16ths are "white" then you would be right at the mark to join the brotherhood type groups in Oregon and Washington, no prob.
Graham Sogglecocke - Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:23:46 EST ID:pIYqIk9c No.56301 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I don't know what that is, I'm just passing on information.
Hedda Blankinheg - Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:28:18 EST ID:ao2CDAbf No.56304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks for the input! Going to read it properly whenever I have time
Archie Nettingcocke - Sun, 27 Dec 2015 04:10:43 EST ID:Ke4N2zAw No.56382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
apparently they forgot to mention the intense tribal raiding endemic to almost every tribal society. either that or they swallowed the myth of the noble savage and don't even know what they don't even know
Nell Shakeworth - Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:38:54 EST ID:6PhWCkVP No.56383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm absolutely fascinated with the early history of my area. I'm from the Midwest and my area was populated by mound building cultures going back three millennia. In fact, there is a reconstructed village from a thousand years ago in my area.
The village is from the misnamed Fort Ancient culture, the last prehistoric Indian culture in the region and possibly the progenitors of the Shawnee (who inhabited the area during and after European contact). They lived in semi-permanent, circular villages and relied on hunting and basic agriculture. The time was one of decline for these people; Nutrition was piss poor and health problems were rampant. people, apparently, cannot subsist on maize and venison alone
Speaking of mound builders, the prehistoric cultures of the lower Midwest built earthworks EVERYWHERE. Researching them is absolutely depressing, because most of them were callously destroyed by 19th century rednecks who couldn't see past their own noses. I recently looked at a site in my area and found precious little evidence the place even existed. Although that prehistoric site is adjacent to a historic farm that includes a bit of canal, an early homestead and a dank, creepy old pioneer cemetery (something else very common in this area)

While the native history of my area is neglected and also interesting to me, I am also into the pioneer history of the area. I volunteer on and off at a tavern built in 1803 that has been restored to its early appearance. I've also visited a few old log cabins and the like from the same period. One thing of note in the early history of my area is the chain of forts built during punitive expeditions undertaken by the US government in the 1790s. The local tribes were quite butthurt about the fact that crackers were squatting on their turf, so they went full Tecumseh and started scalping people. Obviously the government wasn't thrilled about this and undertook a series of expeditions to remove corn. The first couple tries were an absolute disaster; A ragtag group of Kentucky militiamen and hired ruffians cobbled together and sent in the general direction of the enemy by incompetent old AWI lau…
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Afghanistan by Albert Criffinghud - Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:46:25 EST ID:kl+oZI1v No.53515 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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/his/ I desperately need your help. Can you direct me to every single website, book, article, and documentary dealing with the Taliban, Soviet War in Afghanistan, 90s Afghanistan, and the current Afghan war. I especially need stuff pertaining to the culture and general attitude of the people of Afghanistan, especially the Taliban. The topic is endlessly fascinating to me and I need to write a huge paper on it for my Poli Sci class. The paper is about the current war being unwinnable, but I want to do a very broad historical analysis.

Also I'm bored and would love some learning material. I'm a little in over my head on this topic though so please help. Thanks!

Also general Afghanistan discussion very much welcome.
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Betsy Mezzlematch - Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:58:13 EST ID:2BfokXZB No.56275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also it's interesting about their diverse ethnic groups.
Alice Gimmlelut - Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:14:17 EST ID:k3WZmJ5e No.56330 Ignore Report Quick Reply

curious, do you know if anyone involved in that went on to join the kurds in rojava?
Graham Tootbanks - Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:50:18 EST ID:TSkgdi01 No.56331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One man's invasion is another man's peace keeping mission. The Soviet combat mission was the direct result of political instability at the top though. According to some in the Soviet infantry, it turned into a war when soldiers traded fire with the people they were trying to steal from.

People end up in stranger places, but why would you ask that?
Emma Basslewid - Tue, 01 Dec 2015 14:01:55 EST ID:pb+LkI1P No.56338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just see an overlap in ideology and geography and I'm fascinated by major personalities in armed conflict. Also I've just got a bone for the kurdish state and marxism
Eliza Brimmergold - Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:44:19 EST ID:mnly+Hia No.56372 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think the goal of any of the western conflicts in the middle east is to "win", as in conquer, simply to destabilise the region to prevent any one faction there from acheiving hegemony. In that view, the recent conflicts in the region have been pretty successful.

Ancient places illustrated. (reconstructed, etc) by Samuel Papperville - Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:58:12 EST ID:IxoNeK5Z No.54295 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Accurate depictions, artistic representations and interpretations ITT!

Depicted is the Roman forum, as reconstructed via artist's illustration., it's crazy to think this was a real place occupied by people and it worked.
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Sidney Brankinhotch - Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:19:09 EST ID:qleMGbH6 No.56353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Same as above but artist thought it was more traditionally buddhist looking.
Fanny Crivingnore - Fri, 04 Dec 2015 12:46:08 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It must have been shitty for those people whose houses were built into the wall. Literal barbarians would try to knock down your shit on a regular basis.
Shitting Brookbanks - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 00:00:22 EST ID:pIYqIk9c No.56357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does anyone have any cityscapes of the ancient city of Babylon?
Nell Checklebut - Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:12:59 EST ID:XYZmQSzL No.56366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Jarvis Cabberbanks - Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:40:24 EST ID:qrwqNLRh No.56370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thats pretty cool bro

IOCVS NOVA ROMANA by Priscilla Murdwell - Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:55:59 EST ID:AmRcgwkf No.56307 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Any Nova Romans on the board please help a brother out and explain what the organization/country/whatever is because your website doesn't answer much
Sorry for shit thread
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Rebecca Himmerville - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:50:56 EST ID:AmRcgwkf No.56347 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did the romans invent basketball
Hannah Birrydirk - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 21:46:36 EST ID:fFCl/TFP No.56348 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>that picture
>everyone else dressed normally while one guy is wearing a toga get-up

good lord
Lillian Gonningbanks - Sat, 05 Dec 2015 08:05:10 EST ID:yoS4oQiI No.56355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're just at a theme restaurant. He's the waiter.
Oliver Soblingspear - Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:43:01 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56356 Ignore Report Quick Reply

tfw when this thread has been native advertising for a restaurant called Nova Roma.
Frederick Chirrynet - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 20:58:43 EST ID:wnBluape No.56360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well fucking played Romans

Sanhedrin Trial of Jesus by Phoebe Tillingwill - Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:53:49 EST ID:rQpSY5J5 No.56236 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus–accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews.

Pontius Pilate should have pardonned Jesus Christ of Nazareth. For Reasons
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Charlotte Grimbury - Tue, 03 Nov 2015 04:11:39 EST ID:t9ossodW No.56251 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Pontius Pilate should have pardonned Jesus Christ of Nazareth. For Reasons

But the Jews didn't want him to.

Why do christian evangelicals send so much money to the israelis who spit on christians or worse?
Nigel Dartwell - Fri, 06 Nov 2015 17:37:40 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because the rebirth of Israel fulfills part of the prophecy in Revelations. They actually want the rapture to happen. That's their secret weapon against the greenhouse effect.
Clara Blablingstone - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 00:32:25 EST ID:CBu3jKCh No.56261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They actually executed quite a few people for being "the king of the Jews", which basically meant they were leading a movement to secede from Rome, most of which are recorded in the Talmud. Jesus is too but they don't say nice things about him.

On a weird tinfoily side note, the first google result when googling this is a paid ad slandering the author I learned this from, but the tenants of Jewish faith and their extensive record keeping doesn't lie and it is actually pretty well recorded on both the Jewish and Roman sides.
Hedda Lightgold - Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:07:03 EST ID:gJYbFbIL No.56298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well according to the gospel of nicodemus, the jews came to pilate and say this man heals bitches on the Sabbath, he's from Beelzebub, sorcering up some demons, go fuck him up
Pilate be like naw son that's Asclepius brah
Then jesus comes in and pilate be like did u make this jew's wife trip in her dream by ur sorcery
Jesus says Nah man let em finish
The jew elders say mary wasn't a virgin, he was born in bethlehem by killing children, and that mary and joseph fled to egypt because they could not face the people
Then half of the jews go back on this and say mary's a virgin and the other half be like these are greeks that have converted they don't really count
So pilate decides to only talk to the born jews and asks if he did a good deed should he die
and they're like yea
So the jews be all We wouldn't have brought him here if he wasn't fucked
We can't kill anyone legally. You do it.
Pilate ask jesus Yo u claimin king
Jesus spit who the fuck said that sht
Pilate be all what u really do bro
Jesus gets all emo for a second and goes "my kingdom doesn't exist on earth or else the jews wouldn't want me dead"
Pilate asks if he's king
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Archie Nammlefield - Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:37:01 EST ID:Gt4Vgf31 No.56333 Ignore Report Quick Reply
An interesting account of this historic scene was given in Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita. It was also adapted into a Russian miniseries that showed the adaptation. It was really interesting. It portrayed Pontius Pilate as talking with Jesus at length and coming to really like him, but he was still forced to execute Jesus because of political pressure from the jews.

Inca by Henry Blathershit - Thu, 03 Sep 2015 06:48:43 EST ID:kMDrf7PF No.56073 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's worst? Living in pre-colonist Inca as a commoner, living in Czarist Russia, or living in modern day DPRK? Inca seems really fucked up now that I look into it.
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Bombastus !lnkYxlAbaw - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 16:19:56 EST ID:ccIKPGhE No.56265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
horry chit. that was hiliariouzzz
>but they can become them
Martin Fuckingdock - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 17:04:02 EST ID:G7MNv4fa No.56266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lol but they can become them
You just made my day sir :)
Lydia Chuzzletodge - Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:22:20 EST ID:pIYqIk9c No.56282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
DPRK: Pretty good, more economically successful than the South up until about mid 1980s. As long as you're not some sort of anti-communist sycophant you should be okay.

Czarist Russia: Pretty shitty for most folks, but you could always join the Bolsheviks and have some fun executing bourgie scum and looting palaces later on.

Incan commoner: Pretty shitty, probably end up beaten a lot or even maimed by people with wealth and authority.
Cornelius Greenfoot - Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:47:53 EST ID:yoS4oQiI No.56292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>more economically successful than the South up until about mid 1980s
If you can call being materially dependent on the USSR economic success.
Archie Clayforth - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 01:29:36 EST ID:nFUrmaNy No.56295 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Well yes.. Convincing a far more powerful country to pay for your shit, tends to be a success.

Though, needing them to pay for it is a sign of failure.

Which worked Better? by Rebecca Dugglefield - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 14:40:49 EST ID:o6keS00K No.56263 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I was doing some thinking about the current state of the Union, and I found myself ruminating on how if Reconstruction had been followed through on more sincerely, like maybe is Lincoln hadn't gotten assassinated or at least someone more resolved than Johnson had succeeded him, maybe today we'd be closer to a less socially stratified country.
And I got to thinking, we did that after WWII with denazification (we in this case meaning the allies instead of just the US). Reconstruction lasted several years longer, but seems to have had less effective results than the Denazification efforts in post WWII Germany. Besides obvious advanced in technology like with telecommunications and weapons, what are the reasons that Germany has less admiration for it's Nazi period than the southern state have for their "lost cause."? Was is just that Nazism only lasted around a decade whereas slavery had been in the south for centuries?

Or am I wrong? As an American am I romanticizing Denazification? I know there are still neo-nazi in germany but they seem to have less of a presence than the neo-confederates in the U.S.

How about what happened in South Africa? Did Truth and Reconciliation do better or worse than both or either?

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David Nubblechut - Thu, 12 Nov 2015 03:56:20 EST ID:o6keS00K No.56289 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Regardless, it just really pisses me off when I see the results of propaganda like this and I couldn't come up with yet another refutation of the same fucking shit again.
Go ahead and copy paste from a previous time then. I don't believe you've ever actually constructed a coherent refutation.

>There's a fucking psi-op going on to strip away southern culture to make the country into a homogenous blob of worthless unthinking fucks
Or it's a natural side effect resulting from the modern ability of people being able to exchange ideas with someone from farther away than four towns over on a regular basis. And what exactly are "they" trying to eradicate? Our proud legacy of... barbecue and reverence for outdated technology? The only memorable cultural achievements of the south have been self deprecating works of literature and southern rock. You sound like those hicks in West Virginia who's heads implode when you mention that being a coal miner is kind of a shitty job to still have to be doing.

>Shit, does anyone here even realize how few people even had slaves?
You don't have to reap the benefits of a system to be one of it's enforcers, and thus bear part of the blame. Modern cops get paid jack shit and they're perfectly happy to stomp on throats for the benefit of the wealthy. If anything your statement just showcases how retarded the average southerner at the time was for being duped into fighting for a cause that did not benefit them, on behalf of people who didn't give two shits about them.

[citation needed]

But I think, by accident, you answered my question about why it's taken the south longer to fix itself than Germany, so thanks.
Martin Clattingmick - Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:35:49 EST ID:mLAewN/G No.56290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>There's a fucking psi-op going on to strip away southern culture to make the country into a homogenous blob of worthless unthinking fucks
I thought "worthless unthinking fucks" WAS Southern Culture?
Edwin Nungerchane - Thu, 12 Nov 2015 18:15:38 EST ID:nFUrmaNy No.56291 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You think Germany is "fixed" ... That says enough about your grasp on reality.

Quips done and said, what's your problem? Why do you hate?
Priscilla Bizzleham - Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:10:39 EST ID:aZJF8f7V No.56293 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>thinks germany was better off under hitler

bracing for impact
Archie Clayforth - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:48:54 EST ID:nFUrmaNy No.56294 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Now that's just misreading. Fuck hitler and his cronies. For anything they did that I may agree with, there's a million people who suffered that I'd rather hadn't. Also fuck Franko the hardest.

Sovetunio by Hedda Ferryberk - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 22:19:10 EST ID:SbLL3rxd No.56270 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why were Esperantists in Eastern Europe forced to hide their language during the cold war?
Lydia Chuzzletodge - Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:18:27 EST ID:pIYqIk9c No.56281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have no idea but I would like to know. Apparently the soviet union supported it early on but from 1930 onwards they started shooting people and putting them in labor camps for advocating its use. Weird.
Polly Gossleman - Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:34:02 EST ID:nFUrmaNy No.56284 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Because it's an abomination designed to strip people from their cultures, while removing them from the powers of words. Fuck Esperanto.
Angus Berrykure - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:15:50 EST ID:eiH1WIkz No.56297 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because if it's international it better also be socialist and if the party can't control it, it's bad.

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