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Vikings by Shit Suzzlenick - Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:17:16 EST ID:yEdEzxgG No.56393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What are some good resources on the Old Norsemen, or Vikings? Namely I want to learn about their patterns on settlement around Europe. They could have set up a maritime Empire similar to what the British had in later centuries so it seems, so why was that never realized? They conquered enough land to start it.
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Graham Blythecocke - Thu, 07 Jan 2016 14:21:05 EST ID:Ke4N2zAw No.56394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd guess they lacked the political incentive and bureaucratic infrastructure to facilitate such a happening. So, the same reason the Mongolian empire and the Timurid empire collapsed before they even got started.

Something to be said of the American founding fathers was that they successfully designed, from scratch, a comprehensive form of government that wouldn't implode or degenerate one generation after they were gone. The English/British government evolved in an ad-hoc manner and was only successful due to lucky circumstances.
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Barnaby Sucklelag - Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:24:03 EST ID:vAooHJCz No.56396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56394
>I'd guess they lacked the political incentive and bureaucratic infrastructure to facilitate such a happening.

This. Local Jarls were greedy.
Also many Vikings were really only interested in trade, like the Swedes.
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Eugene Fiblingstock - Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:33:58 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
During their imperial phase they were known as Normans.

What is the Norman Kingdom of England?
What is the Norman colonization of Ireland?
What is the Norman Kingdom of Sicily?

The Kingdom of Sicily would even make a bid for the Byzantine throne, which was the only real imperial title in Europe at the time.
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Jack Honeybury - Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:12:40 EST ID:Qw9xlhKV No.56403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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it's strange that a maritime nation was unable to build a centralised state out of its conquests. communication and lines of supply are usually the constraints in state building (eg james c scott's concept of fields of power)
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Henry Hindleville - Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:27:42 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56415

Norsemen would rule novgorod and founded Rus. I don't think you get more centralized than that.
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Hamilton Dammlecocke - Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:35:08 EST ID:B2yTJls8 No.56444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56415
what a shitty non-answer
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John Fusslefoot - Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:09:20 EST ID:yzFkBcu4 No.56445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Vikings to begin with were never a unified force. Just different Scandinavian tribes ruled by various pretty kingdoms. That's why all the Vikings settlements differed so much from each other... From the Norse-Gaels and Norse-Saxons, to the Normans, Varangians, Icelanders and so on. They were all seperate kingdoms, operating under different agendas. Much like the rest of the Europe at this time, various small kingdoms and fiefdoms.

As to why the Vikings in the host countries never formed a united kingdom at that point your guess is good as mine. Most of Europe as I mentioned was split into various kingdoms and fiefdoms, a result of the massive power vacuum that Rome left behind.

Also worth noting that Vikings specifically refers to sea-faring raiders from Norway and Sweden, though massive land-armies in Denmark were pivotal in establishing Norse influence in Normandy, England and then Ireland to an extent.
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Martha Dringerditch - Tue, 16 Feb 2016 00:23:16 EST ID:bmbARlua No.56515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56445
>pretty kingdoms
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Hugh Debblesture - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 23:30:48 EST ID:D58jJhjJ No.56587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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it would've been nice had they began an Empire, the world religion would be that of Odin
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Lillian Suzzlebun - Mon, 21 Mar 2016 16:50:23 EST ID:x7WtT6UX No.56596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56587
is he a panzer?
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George Cropperkick - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 02:24:43 EST ID:Ilt4cK5H No.56599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I do recall that many vikings, following the rise of Christianity and subsequent emergence of "kingdoms" in Scandinavia, fled to less conquered lands like Iceland and Greenland. That seems to suggest that the notion of centralized power was antithetical to their traditional way of life.
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Albert Drinnershaw - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 03:23:02 EST ID:XFbI7gxA No.56600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This shit about them never being unified and just a collection of petty kingdoms is sort of true, but have you people never heard of the fucking Danelaw? King Canut the Great?

I guess the reason "vikings" never set up a maritime Empire is because the time that they DID gets forgotten about and not associated with "vikings" because it was, well, an imperial state-building project with all the discipline and large-scale legal structures that don't exactly scream "savage raiders".

Seriously though. A pretty large portion of the peoples we call vikings formed one of the largest post-roman empires in Europe and set up the administrative and legal structure that laid the basis for every successive English and Danish state.
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Eliza Sammerworth - Thu, 26 May 2016 13:43:54 EST ID:D58jJhjJ No.56701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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this is semi relevant

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/tn-hbi-me-0526-viking-ship-20160526-story.html

>The hard work of dozens of Marina High School students and their woodwork teacher paid off Friday when the group set sail for the first time on a Viking ship they built together.

>Bob Meade, who led the effort and has been a woodwork teacher at the Huntington Beach school for six years, said he has been building ships for years on his own but that this was one of the largest he created and the first he's made with his students.

>Since September 2014, he and his students have studied original Norwegian blueprints for Viking ships — the school's mascot is a Viking — collected money, gathered wood and constructed the 30-foot-long ship behind Meade's classroom.

>The project cost more than $3,500, with most of the money being spent on the plywood and polyurethane. Meade's classes built and sold lifeguard chairs to help fund the construction, and the school's art classes designed and painted the shields.
Article behind paid barrier, an adblock should defeat it

pretty cool shit
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Fanny Mirryforth - Mon, 30 May 2016 08:33:02 EST ID:/+tLisk/ No.56702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56701

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Harald_Fairhair

This is cooler
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Samuel Clallyshit - Mon, 30 May 2016 08:52:43 EST ID:EwfT3m0k No.56703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56702
well, it's also not built by highschoolers, to be fair.
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Ebenezer Docklehall - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 05:30:02 EST ID:ZOEUWx6F No.57466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Vikings were a culture group not a single polity.

Specific Viking tribes carved out colonies where they supplanted themselves as the local aristocracy. The largest ones were Normandy, the English Danelaw, Rus and coastal Scotland and Ireland. No Viking leader ever earned recognition over the entire Norse speaking world.

Like Gaels, Vikings were extremely fractious. Norway and Denmark weren't unified until the 10th century. Cnut the Great came closest. Harold Hadarada, King of Norway, was recognised as King in colonies as far as Iceland to Russia. Although he claimed the thrones of Sweden, Denmark and England too, he never controlled them, and died while invading the last.

Each were assimilated into the general population after 2-3 centuries much like their Gothic cousins. The Vandals assimilated in Tunisia, Ostrogoths into Italy, Suebi and Visigoths into Iberia. The Alemannic Langobardi assimilated into Lombardy and the Franks assimilated into Gaul.
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Ebenezer Blobblehall - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:35:25 EST ID:ifP+KLNs No.57469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57466

MOAR
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 20:11:44 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57474 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57469
See if you can find a collection of the Icelandic Sagas somewhere.

Long story short, the Scandis colonized Iceland in the 10th-11th centuries and quickly found themselves a) in a planned society that educated itself to a high degree and b) cooped together up in longhouses for the duration of the shitty winters, so they started telling stories to each other. This resulted in a cultural renaissance in which a metric fuckton of familial legend was written down, and it's now one of the greatest collections of Viking lore you can find, though it's a bit light on the folklore end just because this was happening after they'd been Christianized.

I found a site here but unfortunately it is all in Icelandic http://sagadb.org/
I have a bunch of translations that Penguin put out, they're probably cheap to find used on amazon.
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:56:30 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57475
weak bait
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Polly Minkinpan - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:00:33 EST ID:CK1mjPuU No.57481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57477
Thats was probably a Finnish boat that Swedish historical revisionists decided to take credit for.
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Barnaby Figglefuck - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:19:09 EST ID:siJ9imet No.57489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57477


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