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Tell me everything you want me to know by Polly Nicklefuck - Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:38:35 EST ID:3zNoMkNy No.56988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey, /his/, I live in Iceland so I feel distant from other countries. Most people here are informed, I think.. But I'm not sure whether it was my parents being separated/ dad in jail/ mother being completely ignorant of all problems in the world
But I never learned anything truly about the world. I'm 20 and in 2014 I asked my formed boyfriend the question "What is a fascist?" he was shocked having me not known what it was, as well as not knowing anything about North Korea
I felt angry myself that I didn't know these things and entered a class completely based on WWII, but it was intended for complete history nerds, so I went about deep details which usually people wouldn't even know about Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin.
However I still don't feel in place here. During the American elections I got pretty scared that WWIII might happen, because I've gone into way deep shit about how incredibly awful WWII was, and I know nuclear weapons are probably wayyy worse now than during Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but I calmed down and don't think/hope not that Trump will be going near that.
I also have been reading about ISIS, the Al-Quaeda, even tried to read some of Islam but all of which I did just sounded exactly like the bible, although I know it isn't, they worship Allah, and things are fucked in their beliefs although I want to find out exactly what their religion bases itself off, and what ISIS stands on
I want to understand what's going on in Syria and how to feel about refugees, I know they are being off limited in every country, even here in Iceland, and just what we could do for them, why everything is happening in the world..
I know my country is very small and insignificant to the outer world, but I really want to know whats going on, because it is happening, its real and thus it is important, and I will keep coming here to try to get a fix over whats up, but I'd also like it if you guys could help me gather more info, comment about it, or even drop me links, whatever it is.
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Fuck Bandleman - Sat, 19 Nov 2016 21:19:37 EST ID:HXXM9Q1E No.56989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56988
don't believe what they say it was all a flase flag, the food pyramid is a scam, lee Harvey Oswald landed on the moon, wireless internet is just people with calculators
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Lillian Himmlekedge - Sun, 20 Nov 2016 02:32:00 EST ID:PAlCVtsj No.56990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fascism is very deceptive. It's not really a deep ideology.

Generally the idea is one of nationalism as the primary concern of society. So not capitalism drive for profit, not socialism emancipation of the oppressed, not democracy equality for all men, not monarchy power derived from god. But nation.

Functionally this means state and private interests working closely to achieve national goals. It's basically a super generic rallying cry for psychos or strongmen to take power via cult of personality and elaborate fanfare. A heavy use of propaganda and manipulation, especially of the media. But the underlying thought is so basic and vague that ANY action can be justified with it.

As a rejection to monarchy (and often replacement for), fascism was the last born of the major three. The other two being liberal democracy and Leninism.
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James Cheffingwat - Mon, 21 Nov 2016 00:48:53 EST ID:7bxWbkLp No.56991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i want you to know the united states has committed countless atrocities across the globe and on their own citizens in just about every way you can imagine.

propaganda is a lie.
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Cyril Soffingway - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:53:08 EST ID:Z5Sl3NAS No.56993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56988
Stop caring and live free in a world of ignorance. Blissful ignorance.

Seriously, the sun will always rise tomorrow and if it doesn't oh well. You can't do anything on any of the levels that shit is going down at so don't give a fuck. Do what you want, ignore the politics, game and bullshit.
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Molly Blythehood - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:10:02 EST ID:e2GtWGAH No.57001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP I want you to know that the level of basic wealth we live in today is VERY new and has never happened before in human history.
the last 60 years have been the absolute of human material wealth and standard of living and we know it won't last, and it's starting to go away.
This is the root cause of the rising tide of right wing nationalism, islamic fundamentalism and a bunch of other problems around the world and it has parralels to a lot of what we've seen in history when civilizations start to decline.

This is why the things that really matter going forward are going to be sustainability and social reform to handle the fact that the entire world is probably going to be in recession from here on out.
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Shitting Bronkinwater - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:31:03 EST ID:2UhNmMBr No.57002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56990

Fascism didn't reject the idea of a monarchy. Italy had a king while being a fascist dictatorship.
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Reuben Smallridge - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:40:31 EST ID:GwUD1vEi No.57043 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56990
What's the difference between fascism and nationalism? Why we call some right-wing regimes that have propaganda and personality cult fascist, but not others?
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Betsy Hunnerbury - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:27:31 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57043
Nationalism is pretty simple, it's putting your country before others.

Fascism can include nationalism, and often does, but it's completely different. Fascism is basically all about the worship of violence and the state. A political ideology where violence is seen as good, healthy and just.

The main reason why fascism is seen as a third "dimension" on the 2 dimensional capitalism vs. communism spectrum is because at least both capitalism and communism recognize violence as the destruction of products and/or people, and therefore something negative that should be avoided. Fascists have no such problems.
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Ernest Gosslehedging - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:22:55 EST ID:pACIDeoi No.57049 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57048
>The main reason why fascism is seen as a third "dimension" on the 2 dimensional capitalism vs. communism spectrum is because at least both capitalism and communism recognize violence as the destruction of products and/or people, and therefore something negative that should be avoided.

Uhhh... no?
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Graham Fecklestit - Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:46:48 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57049
Good quality argument.

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Jenny Blatherway - Sat, 28 Jan 2017 17:46:26 EST ID:XShIH9Mn No.57055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want you to know that Iceland is one of very few true democracies in the world. You should also know that climate change is going to hurt your country more than most. Please be prepared.

In terms of history, it's best to start in your own back yard and work your way out. Family history is always a good place to start. Try not to get bogged down in kings and queens and what type of ammunition the British WWI soldiers used and how many battleships the USSR produced in X year... That's trivia, not history. If it's part of the story that got us to where we are today, it's history. Good luck.
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Reuben Shakeson - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 03:40:10 EST ID:DBmpFVwf No.57057 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57054
I was going to type more but then I realised I don't care that much. But ok.

Fascism is seen as a third dimension because it infuses elements of capitalism and socialism, ie it draws influence from the 2 spectrums. It tends to be in favour of certain socialist economics (nationalization, welfare) while maintaining a socially conservative outlook (to say the least...). Not because it's more violent than communism or capitalism.
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Simon Pudgehood - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 03:47:27 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57057
But there is no guideline, no consensus on how the social and capital elements are mixed. The only similarity among fascists is near-religious state and violence worship.
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Matilda Mangernatch - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 19:37:28 EST ID:iOKmn9k/ No.57059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56988
>Al-Qaeda
Let's start there. According to Osama Bin Laden himself, the reason he conducted terrorist attacks against America is that America is run by Jews and acts as a satellite state of Israel:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/interview.html
If you want some evidence for Bin Laden's claims, read the book When Victims Rule:
https://www.radioislam.org/thetruth/pdf.htm

>I know my country is very small and insignificant to the outer world
Much like Iran, Iceland was important enough for the British to invade during WW2 without provocation; a fact historians like to either defend or completely gloss over, while condemning Germany for invading the Netherlands and Norway for essentially the same strategic considerations.

>Trump
He's a master of trolling and psychological subversion, read some of Scott Adams' blog posts about him if you find him interesting. In his latest trolling operation, he just managed to get the Jewish Telegraphic Agency to admit that Jewish writers routinely inflate the numbers of people killed in the holocaust in order to garner sympathy from the Gentiles:
https://archive.fo/tL6DP

>I want to understand what's going on in Syria
If you're looking to learn some general lessons from history, the most important thing you need to know about that whole issue can be summed up in this simple equation:
Diversity + Proximity = Conflict
When you force different groups of people to live together in the same country, sooner or later you end up with bloodshed, be it on the level of individual hatecrimes or large-scale civil war and genocide.

>and how to feel about refugees
Do some research about the middle east and you'll see that some 1600 years ago it was mostly Christian. It was then gradually turned Islamic through subjugation, enslavement, torture, exploitation and plain old genocide. When you look at the big picture, letting in millions of "refugees" (80% of whom are young men of military age) is merely a continuation of this historical process in which Islam gradually conquers more and more territory.
If my paragraph about the holocaust offended you, then the one lesson you should learn from the official story on the Holocaust is this: Never let your own ethnic group become a minority in the country you live in, that way you won't have to worry about the other groups spontaneously deciding to put you into gas chambers.
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Hannah Billingfoot - Wed, 01 Feb 2017 02:39:13 EST ID:XShIH9Mn No.57060 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57059

>>I want to understand what's going on in Syria
>If you're looking to learn some general lessons from history, the most important thing you need to know about that whole issue can be summed up in this simple equation:
>Diversity + Proximity = Conflict
>When you force different groups of people to live together in the same country, sooner or later you end up with bloodshed, be it on the level of individual hatecrimes or large-scale civil war and genocide.

Woah there. Am I on the future? Syria's civil war is nothing to do with 'diversity', comrade.
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Shitting Goodway - Wed, 01 Feb 2017 06:55:14 EST ID:Na98HBEX No.57061 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57060
>The Kurds aren't an ethnic group seeking to establish their own nation-state through force of arms
>Islamic State aren't radical Sunni Muslims seeking to rule the area according to their version of Islam, and they're not targeting specific populations like the Yezidis with their genociddal massacres
>The Druze, Christians and Alawites aren't supporting the Assad government because they see it as their best bet for protection
>Outside forces aren't actively exploiting the divisions between these populations to further their own agenda in the area
That's cool bro, why don't you go down there and tell the Syrians these good news? Looks like they can just stop fighting, since they're not actually a diverse mix of ethnic and religious groups vying for control of the same territory.
I'm sure the Christians there wouldn't mind letting their women run around in Burqas, and the IS supporters won't mind if there's some idol worship going on, so there's no reason why they should resent living under a single government. It's so very easy to create a government and a set of laws that perfectly caters to the needs and sensibilities of every single race, ethnicity and religion on earth.

Or on a similar note, why don't you travel some 26 years back in time and tell the Germans that there's really no point in reunifying their country, since being of the same ethnic group with similar cultural sensibilities and shared history isn't even something that matters when trying to create a state and a system of laws under which to govern a population?

And I take it you believe it is pure coincidence that Yugoslavia broke up and the Croats, Serbs and Albanians all ended up with their own countries?
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Edward Pittingdale - Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:12:12 EST ID:XShIH9Mn No.57062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57061

Do you really divide the whole world up on racial lines? I'm sure there's a word for that kind of thinking...

I'd love to hear you explain the Spanish civil war. Perhaps Franco's supporters were all the descendants of a more Eastern tribe of Spaniards, while the communists were clearly all Russian immigrants causing conflict with their diverse presence.

Syria is a warzone being fought by various political groups. Affiliation to the groups is fluid and has little to nothing to do with the race or religion of the fighters.
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Martin Sandertudge - Sat, 04 Feb 2017 12:00:46 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57061
>Outside forces aren't actively exploiting the divisions between these populations to further their own agenda in the area
So then the problem isn't diversity, the problem is outside forces meddling in what had been up until this point a stable and successful polity.
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Hamilton Blythestock - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 07:39:00 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57064
Pretty much. Syria needs to go through all those years of chaos and (civil) war that the West has already suffered through from the rise to Napoleon to the end of WW2.
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Sophie Cissleforth - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 02:56:36 EST ID:uYuPk+l4 No.57067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want you to know that I love you
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Panopticon !pAPtrOtSkY - Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:37:13 EST ID:/06goZ/S No.57107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57057
>It tends to be in favour of certain socialist economics (nationalization, welfare)
Not really, Mussolini and Hitler both privatised state industries and social programmes
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf
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Polly Fullernick - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:23:53 EST ID:ueQZvpy5 No.57115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57107
>muh Germa Bel

It's so easy to trip up you one-source morons from 8/leftypol/ because you spam the same links over and over again treating them like gospel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_equality

http://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1940110100

http://www.economics.ox.ac.uk/Oxford-Economic-and-Social-History-Working-Papers/feast-or-famine-the-welfare-impact-of-food-price-controls-in-nazi-germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front





But hey, he privatized some Weimar holdout banks, that means he's capitalist rite!?!?!??!?! nb
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Hannah Gebbertod - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:22:11 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57115
What is your point? All you do is look like a vengeful the future stormfront immigrant.

Panopticon makes it clear what has been said in the thread before - fascists are capitalist/socialist-spectrum agnostic.

They only care about power, and holding power. The only core tenet in fascism is state worship and violence worship.
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Simon Gollerdale - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:03:28 EST ID:a4RgRtBV No.57131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57115

Fascists preserve private enterprise to the extent that it serves the state and nation (assuming you buy that and don't just see it as an excuse...as far as I'm concerned totalitarianism is just a manifestation of inner pathology) and curtail it to the extent that it doesn't serve the state and nation, or probably more accurately the power of those who control the state apparatus. They aren't socialists because their goal, stated or otherwise, isn't the liberation of the working class or any such thing. The only people who don't consider fascists right wing are right wingers who want to smear the left or fascists who are trying to whitewash their icons.
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Thomas Pellerchet - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:05:06 EST ID:ueQZvpy5 No.57132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57130
>>57131
>if you don't agree with muh socialism you're a stormlard!

Can't I hate both of you monkeys in peace? nb
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George Chupperbanks - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 05:23:20 EST ID:a4RgRtBV No.57133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57132

Never said anything about "agreeing with socialism" you dork
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George Clayson - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:22:53 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57132
No one is accusing you of being a Stormfronter. I accused you of being a fucking stormfront immigrant.

If you don't know the proper catplanet, that just proves that you're a fucking stormfront immigrant.
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Caroline Higglekid - Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:33:10 EST ID:JgLSnCXL No.57135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56988
It's tough to say what's going on, as the internet has ceased to be a way to accurately acquire info (in my opinion). There is quite a bit of misinformation, as has always been. Check out the Katyn Massacre. The soviets murdered the heads of the Polish army and this information was suppressed in the west because we had to be behind Russia for economic and military reasons. They tried to pin it on the National Socialists at the Nuremburg trials and they all lol'd. So yeah, I'd go with Sherlock Holmes in that your mind has only so much space, don't tax it and your sanity attempting to make sense of heavily suppressed current events while a league of idiots bleat on your ear. History will tell us what we didn't do.
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Thomas Mimmerfire - Thu, 30 Mar 2017 23:53:37 EST ID:JvKHliQV No.57136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57135
>the internet has ceased to be a way to accurately acquire info (in my opinion)

Nah, you just gotta know how to vet sources as credible or not.


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