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US = Rome 2.0 by Samuel Clombledale - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:32:47 EST ID:6GEx+/2g No.57289 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If you don't think the US is the cultural and philosophical continuation of Rome get the fuck out of my face.
Wesley Blagglebury - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:47:14 EST ID:OONS0as+ No.57290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've put a note in my calendar to check back in a year to see how many people necrobump your shit thread.
Phoebe Honeyshit - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 21:30:43 EST ID:rDLZhA7O No.57292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol you are just making this connection? i had this thought when i was 11 or 12
Jarvis Sackleridge - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:48:38 EST ID:bx7hxACK No.57298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nope, it's the result of European enlightment put into practice.
Frederick Cripperdock - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:19:20 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57299 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As in they steal from other cultures and civilizations and use that knowledge to create cheap imperfect rushed low quality copies of the original process?

Because holy fucking shit, the Romans fucking sucked at everything except thievery.
Lillian Blackspear - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:21:25 EST ID:Gp+wMovZ No.57301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What about building forts and roads?

NB because stupid thread. The similarities between Rome and USA are they are big empires with lots of roads, that's pretty much it.
Doris Punningford - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:42:19 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Filthy concreteless Greek barbarian angry because his crumbling ruins couldn't last half the time the Pantheon or the Colosseum could
Hannah Droppersark - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:40:10 EST ID:hVcioD9p No.57306 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Shitting Blackforth - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:43:43 EST ID:6GEx+/2g No.57308 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Aaaaaand where did the enlightenment and renaissance draw inspiration from?

Shit Gengerridge - Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:26:18 EST ID:kI8uAvwR No.57310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mostly descendants of Germanic and Hibernian barbarians
>speak a Germanic language
>mostly Protestant
>government modeled on Iroquois Confederacy
>generally xenophobic and anti-cosmopolitan
>weirdly sexually repressed and afraid of buttsex

Ehh, doesn't sound very Roman to me.
Eliza Bunderwater - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:43:07 EST ID:wJHd6GfL No.57312 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Greeks because Romans sucked at philosophy.
George Faggleshaw - Sat, 02 Dec 2017 17:52:10 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57315 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nope. Most of the Greek philosophers were already studiously being copied by the Church. You realize how much Christianity ties into Plato, right? The "Renaissance" was predominantly rediscovering Roman art and architecture standards over a philosophical revolution.
Frederick Worthingfoot - Mon, 04 Dec 2017 07:25:33 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Great example of the Church being a buncho anachronistic retards. Plato was already outdated. With his fucking retarded forms.
Oliver Bladgedudging - Mon, 04 Dec 2017 13:57:44 EST ID:Xesxm5NA No.57320 Ignore Report Quick Reply

And Rome still mostly employed Greek architects. Also they ripped off Greek aesthetics.
Nicholas Mammergold - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 02:13:15 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mad gay-reeks still sore over their crumbing ruins.

>his buildings don't have a natural layer of cyanobacteria that secrete calcium and repair it from damage

Doris Blatherfoot - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 22:08:03 EST ID:ioPy2PhE No.57361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
USA has surpassed Rome
Doris Blatherfoot - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 22:10:09 EST ID:ioPy2PhE No.57362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The USA has surpassed the SPQR by leaps and bounds. If anything, in the future, people will be calling themselves the "modern day America."
Reuben Derringtodging - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 06:17:50 EST ID:OH3HrZNB No.57363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You are retarded. Oh what's the matter? You think Caesar ate fucking McCheese and coka cola frizzles?
Rebecca Bloffingmut - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 00:37:20 EST ID:wuvHqEoE No.57364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes. Romans ate nothing but those 2 very real things, that's how the food survived in the popmeii.

I think the whole "continuation of Rome" think is dumb when any country tries to do it, the US is obviously a continuation of the British empire, Brittan 2.0, the sun never sets on the U.S. empire.

"Rome" died with Spain losing it's overseas holdings IMO. The Roman Catholic church was the last major power that was a product of Rome after the fall of Constantinople. The Vatican still holds some influence, but it's not the days of the Pope being like a defacto king of multiple countries.
Phyllis Fankinkedging - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:27:00 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Caesar ate ground pork stuffed into shitty coarse emmer bread, fish sauce drizzled over raw mussels, and washed it down with vinegar water.

The Romans consistently grossed everyone out in the neighboring vicinity with their eating habits into the Byzantine period (see: liutprand of cremona). They had fast food counters to deliver their shitty chickpea pottages and equally fucking gross fish sauce like Americans get burgers from the counter and drizzle ketchup all over them.
Clara Burringchen - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:54:38 EST ID:I7bx5dcu No.57371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Explain the bellamy salute and putting aquilae fucking everywhere though
Doris Biblingford - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:16:42 EST ID:pYW/9DNs No.57372 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>fish sauce drizzled over raw mussels
I'm not seeing a problem here.
>washed it down with vinegar water
I'd be willing to try it if the vinegar was good. I've taken shots of balsamic post-dinner from time to time.

Unless you lived in the time and got to try the food and get used to it, you have no right to judge it. Archeology on food-taste can't even be called science. Most archaeology is just educated guess-work with very limited evidence, some of the "evidence" being evidence of opinions of long-dead ancestors.

Until someone invents a time machine, events that happened in that region will always be so hilariously blurred, especially culinary matters because they are subjective to begin with.
Phineas Faffingchot - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:54:20 EST ID:kI8uAvwR No.57374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Explain the bellamy salute and putting aquilae fucking everywhere though
Trivial window dressing. Imitating the superficial aesthetic markers of Rome does not by itself make one the cultural and philosophical successor of Rome, not any more than pic related is the cultural and philosophical successor of feudal Japan.
Eugene Fullerwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:19:20 EST ID:zPITB8K1 No.57375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you pic related isn't emblazoned on military assets, government buildings and courthouses, nor is it part of the state-authored indoctrination of every single schoolchild you handwaving apologist
Polly Goodwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:56:45 EST ID:kI8uAvwR No.57376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>you pic related isn't emblazoned on military assets, government buildings and courthouses,
Nice observation. Gold star for you.


If we suddenly started putting kanji on our military uniforms and courthouses, would that retroactively make us the cultural and philosophical successors to Japan?

>nor is it part of the state-authored indoctrination
I have never in my entirely life been made to give the bellamy salute at any stage of my education. Maybe this was more common a few decades ago.

Even then, the mere existence of a salute does not mean cultural and philosophical decent. If that were the deciding factor, that would mean that my dad was a cultural and philosophical descendant of Rome but that I, somehow, am not. Since that wouldn't make any sense, that suggests that salutes are the not deciding factor here.

>you handwaving apologist
Apologist for the recognition of a significant contribution of Germanic, Celtic, West African, Hispanic and Native American culture than some long dead Iron Age polity in the Mediterranean that shares almost nothing in common with most Americans outside of a tangential relationship with some of the communities of NYC/New Jersey?

Okay? Sure?

Eugene Fullerwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:22:26 EST ID:zPITB8K1 No.57377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> long dead Iron Age polity
Alright, you legitimately just don't know enough about history to be involved in this conversation.

So although it's really tempting I'm not going to bother responding to your attempts at arguments, they're clearly specious so I doubt you'd sway anybody with that silly shit, and you're not participating in good faith anyway.
Hamilton Davingfuck - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:10:07 EST ID:QXkOojeI No.57378 Ignore Report Quick Reply

"good faith" i can always spot the whiny guy who drops this phrase when he gets pissy. as if posting on 420ch is some honorable gentlemanly pursuit restricted only to devout scholars pursuing the finest wealth of idea interchange rather than just memes and shitposts. lol "good faith" smh
Polly Goodwill - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:33:14 EST ID:kI8uAvwR No.57379 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Keep getting mad at people for being "apologists" for... something.
Archie Gullyridge - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 13:50:36 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh fuck off you goddamn the future immigrant cunt. Go take your retarded antagonist-posting somewhere else, you fucking cocksucker.
Jack Clayhood - Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:30:38 EST ID:Q7nozEwK No.57401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hhahahahahahah look at this brainlet trying to act like he knows shit.
Molly Peblingkot - Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:32:55 EST ID:IPwOEHqI No.57406 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Holy shit you are so fucking blatantly the same person it's pathetic. Literally nobody--and I mean in the entire fucking post-Roman history of the development of modern Europe here, not just posters on a history forum--genuinely thinks Rome is some irrelevant dead iron age state.
Martha Pavingchat - Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:15:21 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What are you even talking about retard? Fuck off back to whatever the future circlejerk shithole you came from.
Edwin Tootbury - Sat, 24 Mar 2018 04:50:30 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57409 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You can't know!

I can read the third party accounts. And they're all unanimous: Roman food is fucking gross.
Phoebe Gackleshit - Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:06:20 EST ID:8ap7mKiS No.57412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Rome is some irrelevant dead iron age state
In the context of modern Italy, the rest of the Mediterranean world or the rest of Romance Europe? No, of course not.

In the context of the United States? Yeah, for the most part. Some of the founding fathers were Romanaboos, sure, and that's reflected in entirely superficial meaningless trivia like the word "senate" and columns on government buildings but that's about it when it comes to the culture at large. Probably the biggest direct influence was Cincinnatus's influence on Washington.

But outside of that, to the culture at large, yeah, it's pretty irrelevant.
Jack Duckham - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:13:26 EST ID:FThq+pRu No.57413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Romanaboos... is too unwieldy.

How do you feel about Romaboo.
Isabella Blunnergold - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 22:55:01 EST ID:2kVQJUZ4 No.57415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Captain Obvious posts on 420chan?
Isabella Blunnergold - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 23:14:27 EST ID:2kVQJUZ4 No.57416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Those arguing against him, I do get his general point even if it's not 💯 accurate.

>Is an empire (yes foreign regime change neoliberal style colonization counts as Empire building don't bullshit yourself) that imposes and has it's culture adopted out of hegemony by other nation states/civilizations
>Doric and ionic columns on government buildings
>Senate system with a four year "dictator" (though primary power held consistently by select few pratrition families and individuals)
>Focus on machismo and populism in it's leaders
>Sports and violence are the primary "Circus Maximus" to sate the anger of the "Roman mob" (next to sex which is more repressed perhaps as one poster pointed out than in Rome OG)
>Budget mainly put towards spending on building a highly organized military force to maintain an over expanded empire
>Plebian classes eat shit and dirt while pratrition families drink fine wine and masturbate with their cousins incestuously

I mean you can apply much of this to any hegemonous empire like the British who we took the torch from but the cultural affinity for Latin architecture and use of sports and violence by the American empire is very distinctly Roman to where while obvious and cliche as fuck the comparison OP is making is... it's not entirely a non astute observation.
Phoebe Billingworth - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:08:31 EST ID:ZpkG4K4G No.57431 Ignore Report Quick Reply

They had paved roads in Mesopotamia millenia before the Romans. Roman streets look like they'd fuck up your legs after a few kilometers.
Hannah Fonningridge - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 08:45:33 EST ID:MImjvrC0 No.57432 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>we use Latin alphabet
>we use Roman calendar
>Western European languages are filled with Latin based words if not total derivatives of Latin itself
>Roman law has influenced western Law massively
>Christianity was propelled globally thanks to Rome

Yup, pretty irrelevant.
Graham Bollyfield - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 17:09:26 EST ID:06Md2Nk+ No.57433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Going by that logic the entire Western Hemisphere, most of Europe, half of Africa and Oceania are all ""the"" cultural and philosophical continuation of Rome.

Which would be such a broad and loose interpretation of OP's premise as to render it meaningless.
Esther Hullerson - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 19:37:25 EST ID:/mZfItc6 No.57434 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Rome wasn't built in a day.
Matilda Fuvingdag - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:11:51 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But it died in one day.

When Genseric launched his ancient Atlantean warmachines from the Antediluvian age and nuked Rome into a different dimension with Eldritch reality rippers.
Oliver Grimhood - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:41:54 EST ID:/mZfItc6 No.57436 Ignore Report Quick Reply

they are making a game about it called death stranding
David Pockwill - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 04:40:07 EST ID:IlyKIasb No.57438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Rome died over three centuries.
>brainlet thinks 476 was a date that mattered
Oliver Furrystone - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 00:18:30 EST ID:Ln/8BqTP No.57439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And what's wrong with that logic? By all indications, Rome was pretty singular as far as imperial hegemonies go, right?

Or it never died, and instead re-branded itself as a religious hegemony which eventually diversified and splintered into multiple independent empires which each had equivalent claim on being the legitimate continuation of Rome, which was a semi-mythological distinction even in the time of classical Rome. The Holy Roman Empire only dissolved in the nineteenth century, only to re-emerge as the Third Reich a century later, in a war which saw the final end of the Ottomans, the direction continuation of the Byzantine empire. And the entire English empire drew its legitimacy from the founding of the Anglican church which schismed as a direct result of the same Roman bullshit which birthed all these other negros.

Now you can claim that all of this is so general to the context of greater Europa that it should be treated as distinct from Rome despite that hegemonic phenomenon being the direct genesis of all this shit, and that's fine as long as you keep an overall perspective on what went down, but it's not fine to pretend that all these parties didn't CONSIDER THEMSELVES to be the legitimate continuation of Rome right up until WW2 made it unfashionable, and deliberately reflected this in their national devices and traditions.
Phoebe Trotforth - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 02:16:54 EST ID:EMkKTYeq No.57440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. Rome is alive and well friends.
Wesley Sarringforth - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:15:11 EST ID:XVAFJun6 No.57441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>By all indications, Rome was pretty singular as far as imperial hegemonies go, right?
Not really, no.

The most singular thing about Rome is that non-historian normies have actually heard of it.
Eliza Fablingfune - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:14:49 EST ID:IlyKIasb No.57445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>yadda yadda yadda bunch of LARPers pretended to be roman after it died

Ceasarism is the death of Europe.
Charlotte Gigglebury - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 10:57:19 EST ID:hVN7XbOu No.57468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rome was foundational to Western society, but it is dead.
John Shittingham - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 08:59:18 EST ID:LOqox0NU No.57476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> instead re-branded itself as a religious hegemony which eventually diversified and splintered into multiple independent empires

but at this point what is "it"?
Ernest Sepperhall - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 03:56:35 EST ID:MU/sd7Ce No.57527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The neoclassical architecture and eagles... Yeah I guess it could be, with some modifications like abolition of slavery and equal rights for women. Germany did the same thing and got their asses kicked in ww2 and that sort of symbolism is stigmatised. The FBI and CIA use eagles as their symbols. Instead of looking for prostitutes under the arches at the Colosseum people look for them under bridges or online. It's kind of a Renaissance/enlightenment era thing philosophically. Can be argued that there is a parallel socially to Rome as a warring state before its decline, terror attacks sort of resembling barbarian vandal tribes sacking rome.

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