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.............. by Nigel Cracklehug - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:59:07 EST ID:h2SYV0kE No.12855 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Do we need so many different punctuation marks. Could we not use one punctuation mark. and the context would tell us what it.s supposed to indicate.
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CrazyFolksTribe !owU3wSU682 - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 02:09:59 EST ID:gMPm2qeL No.12860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Smiley faces can do either depending on the context.

No, but people who only know English at a beginner level might not recognize it as a question right away. It would've sounded more passionate with a question mark too.
Walter Ducklock - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:00:10 EST ID:EhLZacL4 No.12861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think I'd use the word passionate. It's much more grammatically correct and conveys the meaning much better than using a period to end a question.

But, there are ways to do away with certain punctuation. For example, in Japanese, there are particles that turn a sentence into a question.

e.g., 「これはいくらですか。」(Kore wa ikura desu ka; "How much is this?") vs 「このはえんぴつです。」(Kore wa enpitsu desu; "This is a pencil.")

In the first sentence, the "ka" at the end signifies it is a question.
The second sentence is just a declaration of fact.

But, punctuation exists for the reason that CrazyFolks said: ambiguity is terribad for understanding. English is deeply entrenched in punctuational grammar, and I don't think an overhaul of the punctuation system would be an easy thing to pull off, especially when there's no real necessity, since the punctuation does serve a purpose.
Sidney Sedgehuck - Sun, 27 Aug 2017 07:47:44 EST ID:SSq0MRKX No.12862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Shut up weeb.
Edward Sinderwell - Sun, 27 Aug 2017 17:19:13 EST ID:EhLZacL4 No.12863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Thank you for your constructive addition to the thread. Have a nice day; I'm sure you need it.
Phyllis Goodman - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:49:58 EST ID:HovCkeSa No.12883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"Ancient language" was the exclusive privilege of the scribes and the ruling classes, who for the most part never had to pose thoughts to each other any more sophisticated than, "O Father, do let me properly deflower this one before you start in with the saw"

Symbol identfication by Barnaby Buzzway - Tue, 09 May 2017 17:36:33 EST ID:HujR2Eru No.12812 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Do you think this is japanese? Does anyone recognize these symbols?
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Jenny Fandleket - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:18:28 EST ID:uVEePzIo No.12831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
top is indeed woman. bottom is meaningless scribbles curved sideways and shit
Albert Turveyforth - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 13:39:44 EST ID:bzPhCF/J No.12837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
unless you are a criminal or at least look like one, tattoos look really dumb on 99% of people
Matilda Dupperwin - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:07:47 EST ID:3UeT/0lX No.12840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
did this comment make chester bennington commit suicide? discuss.
Fucking Mecklestone - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 05:35:52 EST ID:CFUOu1ho No.12844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
First character looks like 女 or 丈 depending on what the orientation is, the second character looks like an early seal-script type of character
Augustus Gezzleridge - Mon, 27 Nov 2017 15:20:27 EST ID:P8UR2GB2 No.12882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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almost certainly gibberish asian font as in this chart

so i guess AY? even then i'm not even sure

Spanish by Joseph Stalin - Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:21:57 EST ID:x4iOujrH No.12057 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What the best and easiest way to learn Spanish?
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George Ganderville - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:55:50 EST ID:TGoX+c6s No.12872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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live in florida, para decirte la verda viviendo en la florida es como un pai latino, si esta en el sur. Y tabien tiene la lujo de poder albar ingles in whatever place you go because really, the whole place is bilingual. Puede encontrarte con gente y teindas que namas ablan espanol esta en barrios negros.
George Ganderville - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:55:51 EST ID:TGoX+c6s No.12873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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live in florida, para decirte la verda viviendo en la florida es como un pai latino, si esta en el sur. Y tabien tiene la lujo de poder albar ingles in whatever place you go because really, the whole place is bilingual. Puede encontrarte con gente y teindas que namas ablan espanol esta en barrios negros.
Phyllis Dongerbedge - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 06:52:14 EST ID:ruTcYiAO No.12875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what the fuck was that. I'd rather not speak Spanish than speak it that badly
Reuben Baggleneg - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 06:09:18 EST ID:Y/6xwwJi No.12876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's what happens when spanish is taught in schools one way, and spoken in the world another way. remember that florida, and many other parts of the united states were part of the spanish empire at one time, so in places where its still spoken we have some strange dialects.
Nigel Snodstone - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:14:53 EST ID:bzWY9Esr No.12880 Ignore Report Quick Reply

yeah lol thats some miami spanish

Chinese - Seeking Material by Shit Bardfoot - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 04:46:07 EST ID:Gib9dqf+ No.12824 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys,

I would truly love to learn Chinese and think a good starting point for me would be to learn tones and the Pinyin alphabet.

I've stumbled upon material that did look professional, yet upon closer inspection some mistakes were present (pointed out by native speakers).

So that's basically why I'm asking you guys for sources you known to be reliable, where the pronunciation is spot on and where the teaching is hopefully dynamic and not too boring.

I will have the opportunity to ask for help from a native speaker now and again but she won't be there 24/7 for me. She will mostly review what I learned on my own and correct me afterwards.

Any other advice about learning Chinese is welcome as well. I am really eager to begin, I'm just not sure where to look.

Thanks a lot in advance!
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Jenny Fandleket - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:21:09 EST ID:uVEePzIo No.12832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
well first off chinese isnt a language so im guessing you mean mandarin (putonghua). mandarin has 4 tones (or 5 if you include "neutral") or "pitches" that you say words in. this is more important to master than grammar. if you can't say the word with the correct tone people will have no clue what you said.
Clara Pangerfoot - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 06:22:20 EST ID:win5YRNx No.12874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There is one Asian language and everything is a dialect
Priscilla Fuckingford - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 13:43:29 EST ID:7cLnbbQR No.12877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This, my first trip to China was eye opening when I attempted to use my Mandarin.

There is very little room for error on tone, and people will not use context to deduce your intended meaning.

IME this is spot on, grammar is significantly less important than understanding the tones, and common root words which are used to build upon others. The building isn't necessarily intuitive, ie the two pictograms used for caution (xiaoxin) " 小心 " is literally" little" and "heart"

Also when I started learning several years ago, I focused too much on pinyin and disregarded the pictograms to an extent. Depending on your intent for the language, I can say that upon arriving in China I was pulling out my written texts to brush up as pinyin was almost non-existent and very rarely understood by locals.
As far as sources go, I'm not sure I could recommend anything free that I can verify is precise as I tend to use them to just brush up on my mandarin when it is getting weak. You are fortunate to have a native speaker to help you and make corrections, and (this may not be true) I was told by an individual who had lived there for 8 years, married local etc, that no matter your grasp on the language you'll always be laowai, you can't lose face by improperly speaking the language as you had no face to begin.
and yeah the variation between native speakers is quite large.
Alice Drammlelotch - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:46:57 EST ID:N4Y60WAx No.12878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just moved to china a month or so ago.

Has it spot on from what I can tell. I came here very last minute and didn't have time to learn the basics. But from speaking to others that have been here 3+ years
>There is very little room for error on tone, and people will not use context to deduce your intended meaning.
This is exactly what I've heard. It's spelled similar in pinyin but the Chinese won't work out what you mean if the tone is off.

I'm getting given free lessons from my business associates and I'm also looking into paying for some as well. To be honest of all things that you can teach yourself with self directed learning, I think languages are probably one of the most difficult. Chinese especially. Maybe you can do it but I would recommend finding a weekly class and sticking to it.

One thing I've heard is that apparently learning Chinese makes you realise how wasteful English is. It's a very efficient language.
Nigel Snodstone - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:13:29 EST ID:bzWY9Esr No.12879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
pinyin is dumb shit and most chinese dont know it. learn the characters.

Chinese needs translation by Arya - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:04:39 EST ID:ePAE+VjR No.12869 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Are there still jobs for translators and interpreters? by Nicholas Dorrydat - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 09:33:59 EST ID:3UeT/0lX No.12846 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I did an introductory translation course but I never followed it up because it became very clear that I'd spend the next 10 years of my life competing with people happy to be paid 1 euro an hour on oDesk, and after that probably just be replaced with computers.

Am I wrong? It is very much the area where my skills lie, I'm good at studying languages and I really enjoy it, but I think there is no point in getting the DipTrans or a masters in translation because there is no future in translation.

Interpreting will last longer, surely? What about that? What language pairs are most in demand I wonder...
Beatrice Snodridge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 16:41:45 EST ID:FFL47ufi No.12849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You are absolutely wrong about translators jobs being replaced by computers. People trust humans over computers any day of the week.

Interpreting sure. Pays really well if you know an EU language. And certainly in the UK if you can interpret for sign language you've got job security for life.
Samuel Deffingshaw - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:10:52 EST ID:IWuTMAIO No.12864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think I am wrong, when I started learning Spanish just 6 years ago the going rate for a translation was 26 cents a word, and google translator was unheard of. Now the going rate for a human is 2-5cents a word, outsourcing and google translator seem to have destroyed this industry.

I live in Ireland, there are no free resources for learning ISL, classes are expensive, a degree in it takes years and has 90% drop out rate, and it isn't an official language so there aren't that many jobs in it.

I would like to be an interpreter, yes indeed.
George Duddlelock - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 10:08:04 EST ID:1ps++g6d No.12867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>interpreter in Ireland
Who would even want to go to Ireland in the first place? Move to another country, learn the language and there's your translator job.

Dead languages by Edwin Gindleshit - Mon, 22 Jun 2015 19:24:31 EST ID:uDveC9em No.12186 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What is the best way to learn relatively obscure dead languages? I'm interested in learning either Coptic or Koine Greek (or both?) for religious study, though I'm largely lacking in resources. I've found some Coptic PDFs around the internet and a scan of Introduction to Sahidic Coptic, but that doesn't seem like enough to successfully learn how to read Gnostic scriptures. And I don't have any resources at all for Koine. Does anyone here know anything about these?

I'm also interested in Mesopotamian stuff, but Akkadian and Sumerian seem like they'd be more difficult to learn.
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Cyril Pecklefuck - Mon, 29 May 2017 16:02:33 EST ID:5OQHSoWk No.12817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
By that logic I should be focusing on Quranic Arabic instead of Egyptian.
Almost everyone who actually interacts with the Arab world said that Egyptian was the better starting choice
Charlie of the Chans !!kWjRhGF5 - Mon, 05 Jun 2017 04:35:22 EST ID:bqvF7HID No.12818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look for what ever you need here:

Charlie of the Chans !!kWjRhGF5 - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 15:28:07 EST ID:bqvF7HID No.12820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I would imagine that turnover on this board is slow. However, I posted two separate .zips of Coptica at my current cloud service. I don't think that I'm allowed to post direct links, so please follow the Paste Bin link, here:

Charlie of the Chans !!kWjRhGF5 - Sun, 23 Jul 2017 23:16:13 EST ID:bqvF7HID No.12841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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These links are still active.
Edwin Weddlemin - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:55:27 EST ID:3U+IF4Ig No.12859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey OP, I'm a grad student in the Classics. I am pretty good at Attic and Latin, and I've got some good news: free resources for learning both abound. I know you said you are more interested in learning Koine, but I think the real reason to start with Attic is simply that the learning tools are more accessible and available. You can absolutely learn outside of school, so long as you have discipline! All it'll take is about 30 minutes - 1 hour a day, every day for a year or so and you'll be reading in no time.

Pick any starting Attic textbook (I used Hanson & Quinn as a beginner; there are however literally hundreds of great places to start) and after that just download pdfs of "intermediate readers" like Geoffery Steadman's (google him -- his stuff is all free) until you feel comfortable reading!

Good luck!

Super Advanced Spanish by Lydia Braffingderk - Thu, 19 May 2016 09:55:02 EST ID:CDym3DV1 No.12589 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I want to do the Dele C1 or C2 exam and I need resources, I'm willing to spend a bit of money but not buy all of the few courses an books out there. So what do you recommend? what are the best resources?

Chulo-points if they are free

pic unrelated

at your level you just need to read any native speaker test and you will somehow magically achieve perfection without hard work
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Isabella Creblingmotch - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 23:36:18 EST ID:UIj3hqg/ No.12821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
depends who you speak with. I learned spanish from a teacher who was adamant about learning proper spanish and not the "street" or americanized version
Jenny Fandleket - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:22:22 EST ID:uVEePzIo No.12833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why not just read advanced level novels?
Ebenezer Fubbershit - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 15:14:33 EST ID:NaoJUq90 No.12834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lydia Bardhall - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:45:25 EST ID:PMClDcwJ No.12854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think you learn a language by using it, so why don't you start transcribing one or two words of a Spanish novel every day, read out loud as you write. Other than that I don't know, build vocabulary with flashcards or reading the news.
Samuel Deffingshaw - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:13:24 EST ID:IWuTMAIO No.12865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You have no idea how incredibly easy reading a novel or watching the news is compared to doing a standardised test.

Mandarin self-learning by Albert Turveystock - Tue, 02 Aug 2016 07:08:37 EST ID:VsaRwmTc No.12618 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I need some kind of tone-learning program for Mandarin that I could turn on and practice daily. No money here, so it has to be free or piratable. ;_;

In exchange I recommend Mitchel Thomas method for basic Chinese. Way better learning curve, than most other stuff.
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Polly Fuddleshaw - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 22:17:19 EST ID:W3n1K4f3 No.12684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ChineseSkill is a pretty nice app because it has a huge vocabulary, teaches tones, strokes, sentence structure, accurate audio, it is free, and lets you skip sections if you're already learning by taking quizzes.

If you have a teacher and want to get better at pronunciation start with the pinyin alphabet. Then basic introductions, numbers, colors, directions.

A pretty childish drinking game they like to play is to pick a subject then go around a circle and name an object in that category (eg name a fruit), if you repeat an object or you're wrong you drink.

If you're into pop culture they have a ton of talk shows and tv celebrities, musicians, reality TV is somewhat sane.
Phineas Blackleman - Sat, 22 Oct 2016 20:32:46 EST ID:IAKVe98s No.12685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey OP you should check out memrise.com, it's completely free, and you can get the app free too. Just sign up for mandaring and it will drill words based on the level you are at. It works pretty well, it will sense what words you are having trouble with and then will drill them more. They have HSK 1 to 6, I highly recommend it.

Phineas Blackleman - Sat, 22 Oct 2016 21:08:41 EST ID:IAKVe98s No.12686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Any chance you were there for that huge explosion?

I saw it in the distance from my flat and for real I thought that war had broke out.

Scary shit anon
Anita Flowershitter - Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:02:08 EST ID:ux7B0QWz No.12735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just bundle together an anki deck and download a mass of audio files for a bunch of words and you're set, god lazy people.
Fuck Chozzlelod - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:38:42 EST ID:+F2vCjEb No.12852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look up Glossika. They have courses in Mandarin, Cantonese, Hakka, Wenzhounese and aiwanese Hokkien.

It's a lot of audio, reading and writing. Even if you're lazy you can absorb a lot of audio files

Spanish by Ura - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:35:29 EST ID:Xpje7wF2 No.12811 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I need some good Spanish music to listen to. I will literally accept ANYTHING that is NOT mariachi. I'm sick of that garbage.

Necesito una buena música española para escuchar. Literalmente aceptaré cualquier cosa que no sea mariachi. Estoy harto de esa basura.
Martin Hunkinfore - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:26:38 EST ID:8aNdtu/u No.12838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anything made by Jordi Savall.


Also "Un sarao de la chacona"
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 01:08:09 EST ID:oJ1VHwRW No.12839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can't go wrong with Gypsy Kings - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_TGGgkCLD8
Charles Nondlewerk - Mon, 07 Aug 2017 00:21:23 EST ID:dOb7wpJ/ No.12847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Española o en español?
William Henkinkodge - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 21:08:41 EST ID:PMClDcwJ No.12850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Some of my favs:
Cecilia (Spanish singer)
Mecano (Spanish rock from the 90s)
Jose Luis Perales (old sad music for ladies)
Maná (South American rock)

Warning that some of Cecilia's songs are veeeery depressing but her voice is so beautiful. She died in a car accident when she was very young, a tragedy
Fuck Chozzlelod - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:31:20 EST ID:+F2vCjEb No.12851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look up bands by country on Wikipedia and make your way through the list.

I'm listening to Los Bunkers atm

Japanese Books by Henry Cuddlemig - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 05:05:34 EST ID:a/wB2zDw No.12843 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anime and Manga are useful for study because they're for children, but they're also fucking boring, I get most of my time with the language from music or talking to guys on the internet about arcade games. I'd love to try my hand at reading some actual good literature in the language, but aside from Haruki Murakami and that nazi who stabbed the guy who even knows any Japanese authors.

Anybody got anything to reccomend? I could post this on /lit/ but whatever.

I'll see y'all in 3 months when I remember to check this board
James Nicklewill - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:31:25 EST ID:EhLZacL4 No.12845 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Lane's Arabic Lexicon by Charlie of the Chans !!1kyp2YGl - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 21:16:49 EST ID:bqvF7HID No.12842 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've uploaded all eight volumes of Edward Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon at Zippyshare in three separate .zip files. The third one has two related dictionaries included. If your into learning Classical Arabic, Lane's is still the go-to. He began it in 1845; this is a reprint made in Lebanon in 1968. I'm happy to say that the mods said it was okay for me to direct link to where they're at - and they're at Zippyshare. Links are good for 30 days after today, 07/26/2017 So, here ya go, then:




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