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English hardest language? by Isabella Chuvingdodging - Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:58:51 EST ID:yCQHWku6 No.8494 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is English really one of the hardest languages for foreigners to learn? I hear that it is from many Americans, but I wonder what other English speaking countries think. Also if English was not your first language, what's your native language and was English difficult for you to learn? Knowing both Russian and German, I think English has very simple straightforward grammar, but a lot of exceptions and a very irregular orthography. Still definitely not the most difficult language or even close to being so in my opinion. What does /lang/ think about this? I figure this would be the right board to ask.
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Polly Danderville - Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:26:52 EST ID:VEd5LuzV No.8658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8656
And it's difficult for someone who speaks a language where stress isn't contrastive to tell the difference between, say, insight and incite. Different languages use different tools to do different things, and unless you're learning a language from the same family you will have difficulties.
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Jenny Chivingwun - Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:21:29 EST ID:l6TpdMd6 No.8659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8656
I was under the impression that Japanese is not tonal.
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Polly Niddlewurk - Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:21:15 EST ID:Tq+zVGuK No.8661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8659

It has a pitch-accent, like Norwegian/Swedish. Tonal languages have tones on every syllable, whereas pitch-accent languages have tone restricted to one of the syllables in a word, or no syllables at all in some situations.
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Hamilton Sisslewag - Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:27:50 EST ID:CVVkz9nF No.8663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>8593

Sikke da noget åndssvagt pladder! Du må da være komplet idiot, håbløst uvidende eller begge dele på én gang.
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Barnaby Bullyhood - Fri, 24 May 2013 18:20:10 EST ID:R4uOpSk5 No.9456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8593
Just put a potato in your mouth and use any language you know and then it's danish.


What next, after Spanish by Samuel Guddlelock - Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:03:07 EST ID:St+RTgxH No.9108 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Well, having been living in Latin America for the last year I feel my Spanish is fairly decent. Sure, there are words and verbs I don't know, but I function quite well and have real conversations with people on a daily basis. I'll probably be here for the next year so it will only get better. After that I will be leaving to live in a new country.

I had kicked around the idea of moving to another spanish speaking country, but have also thought about the idea of moving to a country where Spanish is not spoken, so I can learn another language.

The thing is, is that although I have freedom of where I work, I still work many hours and that, along with other hobbies/interests, do not leave me with a great amount of time to study a new language, perhaps 40-60 minutes, six days a week.

Right now, based on what I have read, it seems Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian may be the easiest languages to learn for an English/Spanish speaker.

Any suggestions? Thanks guys.
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Doris Grimfuck - Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:47:33 EST ID:sByXzBhq No.9115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you´d be amazed how fast you forget a language if you don´t use it, if you go to another country be sure to keep reading, listening to the radio, watch TV in Spanish, otherwise after about a year you won´t speak or understand it and all that will come out is the new language you´ve learned.
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Angus Bliddlenidging - Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:10:53 EST ID:St+RTgxH No.9117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9115
Spanish is my girlfriends first language, and it is what we speak 95% of the time.

Basically, I have narrowed it down to, as stated above, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian. I'll have to take a short trip to each place and see which country I enjoy better I suppose.

Anyone here with experience learning Romanian?
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Isabella Manderlare - Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:34:05 EST ID:y/8pKeBc No.9121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9117
I'd learn Italian or Romanian (Why Romanian? such an odd language to learn) if I were you (Spanish is my native language, english is my second). Portuguese is really a lot alike spanish, I find it kind of boring, I dunno. If you learn latin or ancient greek, most european languages will be a looot easier to learn.
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William Muckleman - Wed, 15 May 2013 18:35:09 EST ID:CEJc4NWX No.9413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>9121

this

Portuguese is really easy to understand if you already understand spanish, Italian wouldn't be hard to take on because of the similar sounding of many words but don't expect the structure to be alike. Romanian resemblance spanish in no way, not at least one that would make it easier to learn.
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Nigel Snodwell - Fri, 24 May 2013 18:19:51 EST ID:gTTjGEaT No.9455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9121
Seconding this. Fuck yeah Italian and Romanian might be useful for some random use, so since you chose it, it might be fate.

Only read this post because of your picture, which I enjoyed and saved. Thanks.


heroo by Cedric Fuckinggold - Fri, 17 May 2013 09:15:02 EST ID:VJ9E+fQZ No.9431 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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can somebody please this for me. unless you are too scared?? preaze
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Basil Sevingwell - Sat, 18 May 2013 11:54:08 EST ID:nn+kp04F No.9435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9431
My guess is it says "Made in China". I'm sure I've seen those four characters before, and I know tthat the two two say "China".

I don't know what the second two mean.
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James Geckleshaw - Thu, 23 May 2013 07:24:45 EST ID:9qXUCh+p No.9453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
中国制造 Zhong guo zhi zao

Yes, made in China. Strange that I've been thinking of this phrase lately. I read a lot of crap when I study, though.
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Nigel Snodwell - Fri, 24 May 2013 18:15:23 EST ID:gTTjGEaT No.9454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>unless you are too scared??
>Made in China
I knew it was a curse, I knew it.


ニュース by Archie Blunkinwill - Thu, 23 May 2013 03:24:54 EST ID:SOMTejWJ No.9452 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I want to start improving my vocab and whatnot by reading from native-language newspapers and news aggregators, e.g. Al Jazeera to learn Arabic. But I'm also looking for examples for Swedish, Japanese, French, Spanish or really any other language that I may or may not want to study in the future.

So what newsie type sites do you guys read in your native languages?


I learned hiragana, now what? by Jack Sunningbin - Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:02:17 EST ID:PktGQmzD No.8339 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So recently I have been learning Japanese, and I just memorized hiragana, what is the next thing I should do? Should I start learning katakana? Should I just look up some basic vocab? Also, what are some good resources and methods you recomend?

Thanks
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Jack Hipperford - Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:29:27 EST ID:2Oq93Gum No.8873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8872
boards.420chan.org/f/res/18862.php

It's kinda buggy but maybe it'll help you learn Katakana.
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Priscilla Goodforth - Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:48:15 EST ID:OXMWaEWb No.8878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm still just a beginner, but I'll share what I know from my experience. Learn katakana first, and then start working on some vocab and kanji, later moving on to simple Japanese-English sentences, and ultimately Japanese-Japanese sentences.

First of all, download Anki and learn how to use it. Anki is God :D You're going to use it to enter all your material (vocab, kanji, sentences, entire anime show/j-drama/movie subtitles, whatever). Personally, I think it's way, way more efficient than the textbook + workbook approach. My progress, learning rate and memorization all went up dramatically when I made the Textbook -> Anki switch.

For vocab, you can start entering some words you often hear in japanese media, or just things you're interested in, really. You can also get this Anki shared deck https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2353399735 to use in addition to your personal list. If you do, it also has example sentences using the vocab which can be very useful. I suggest learning just the vocab at first, or it may seem overwhelming.

While you're studying your vocab, also work on kanji. RTK is the most common route, and if you're using Anki you can get a shared deck here: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2582505257. I use a modified version I got from somewhere that only has 1900 of them, and I added additional meanings to the cards to help me out.

I started sentences when I had about 500 vocab and 500 kanji memorized, and that's when I also started watching Japanese dramas and movies without subtitles, or with subtitles in Japanese. No matter what method you use to study sentences, I suggest watching or listening to japanese material that's not recorded for a textbook. It will help you develop a feeling for how real japanese sounds - anime and textbooks recordings don't count. If you're using Anki, also check out subs2srs (http://subs2srs.sourceforge.net/). If you have a episode of a show, and subtitles in both english and japanese, it will automatically create Anki cards from the entire episode with the sentence, its translation, an audio clip and a screenshot. It's very, very powerful and simple to use. For the shows and subtitles themselves, you can check out http://www.d-addicts.com/ - the subtitles are in the "subtitle index" in the left menu.

Beyond that, I can only recommend what I read elsewhere. When you go trough about 1000 sentences (and hopefully finish RTK by that time) move on to Japanese-Japanese sentences, totally removing english from your studies.

That's kind of a short summary for such a big topic as learning a language, but I'm sure you'll find your way if you're determined to learn it :) Some more random resources:
http://tangorin.com/ - My favorite online dictionary. Very powerful and looks nice as well.
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/ and http://japaneselevelup.com/ , two websites by guys at or near fluency offering their tips and experiences. I got or modified some of my study methods thanks to them, and they're also good for motivation - especially AJATT :D
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Hamilton Nenkinnidge - Sat, 27 Apr 2013 07:51:09 EST ID:WClEfklQ No.9278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Uh.
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:27:21 EST ID:zDblEw9Q No.9324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8866

Bit ambitious to be shooting for Kindergarten level already. But if it's available, you might consider watching Dora the Explorer in Japanese. You'll pick up loads of vocab from it, that's for sure.
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Fuck Banderham - Wed, 01 May 2013 08:39:56 EST ID:UXllVzRq No.9331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As an 一年生 going into exams soon, the advice on learning Kanji is dead on. The advice we get from all of our senpai that return from their year abroad is to study our kanji. Don't worry too much about mastering any of it, just start throwing it in. It's not disgraceful to have to look up characters if you don't know them, whether hiragana, katakana or kanji, but the important part is that you do. Once you're comfortable with looking at ANY character and being able to look it up through radicals or stroke count like Ninkendo is essentially advocating, then you've broken through a wall most people don't have the patience to overcome.

>Erin's challenge
We get shown this in university when it matches a point we're being made in the textbook. https://www.erin.ne.jp/en/ It's good stuff for beginners and to get some listening practice.

If you can afford it and are serious, consider taking some actual lessons. The one year I've spent studying at university has taught me 20 times what I've had the willpower to look up myself.

There's also the advice we get from our Japanese exchange students, on how they learned English, doing things like watching an American/British TV show or Movie with Japanese subtitles once, then removing the subtitles and trying to remember the context of the words and stuff.

But yeah, be ambitious. If you're diligent enough to study on your own I highly recommend it, but if you need the extra push, an actual programme of study is a good way to learn it.


francais by Lydia Hankinstut - Mon, 20 May 2013 18:56:40 EST ID:19S2B8f7 No.9446 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Howdy /lang/.

I'm planning on being semi-fluent in french in about a year's time because I'm most likely moving to Quebec. They're anglophone enough in Montreal, but I intend to do so out of respect for the unique culture if nothing else. I currently have pimsleur on the go for speech. What I'm asking is for a recommendation as to what resource i should use for reading and writing. If there's money involved for the book/program, then so be it.

merci beaucoup
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Nathaniel Danderforth - Tue, 21 May 2013 23:43:29 EST ID:1/E/HzJe No.9449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm using this right now:
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8361368/Assimil_-_New_French_With_Ease
There's a follow up called Using French in the same series too. Don't know how comprehensive they are, but since you're going to be immersing in a Francophone region, you'll learn more than if you were just relying on resources.


smoke weed everyday in other languages by Fucking Favingpodge - Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:34:17 EST ID:ORtpm4VC No.9025 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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毎日マリファナをすう!
(mainichi marifana o suu~)
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Jenny Facklecocke - Thu, 16 May 2013 07:50:08 EST ID:BFerdZpb No.9417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fume herbam cotidie
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Jenny Facklecocke - Thu, 16 May 2013 07:51:15 EST ID:BFerdZpb No.9418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9417

Oh man it's fumare fumo not fumere fumo fuuuuuuuuuuuu
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Esther Shakeford - Sun, 19 May 2013 02:51:09 EST ID:54Lfskjo No.9439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
German: Kiff jeden Tag (note: kiffen is slang)
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Norsk - Sun, 19 May 2013 18:37:44 EST ID:lT1THKNV No.9445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
fumar la mota todos de las dias.
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Rebecca Blosslehedging - Tue, 21 May 2013 16:55:17 EST ID:8Pq3Puce No.9448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"Shmodokinn weedd erryfday brah"
My favorite foreign language is English.


Kanji or Something by Samuel Hipperforth - Fri, 17 May 2013 13:59:45 EST ID:el5o7cdq No.9432 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can anyone identify this? I've tried to image search this, find other images with this, and I can't find anything.
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Samuel Hipperforth - Fri, 17 May 2013 14:15:37 EST ID:el5o7cdq No.9433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9432
nvm I think I got it.
Truth in Kanji.
http://japanesekanji.nobody.jp/image/truth02.gif
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Lydia Crudgeworth - Sat, 18 May 2013 18:31:41 EST ID:8Pq3Puce No.9437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9432
is there a standard way to find Japanese words? Every time I see a Japanese symbol I'm baffled by how I might look it up.
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Basil Fobbertatch - Sun, 19 May 2013 11:04:28 EST ID:nn+kp04F No.9440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9437
Yep, you can look them up in various ways. If you don't know the pronunciation, then you usually look Kanji up by stroke count (how many times does you brush touch the paper to draw this?) and/or by radical (what element is there in the kanji?)

For your example:
The stroke count is nine I think.
The radical is the thing at the top that looks a bit like a flat roof and chimney.
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Dogfeet - Tue, 21 May 2013 16:04:00 EST ID:8Pq3Puce No.9447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9440
Is the apostrophe part on the left part of the radical, and if not, are radicals always connected?


Norsk 2012 by Afablulo - Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:56:53 EST ID:oB9OoV+K No.8506 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone interested in learning Norwegian?
Post here whenever you want to share your pronunciation, and we could give each other tips or simply compare. Share your accomplishments questions, or thoughts about Norwegian or Norway.

Anyone fluent in Norwegian please bookmark this thread and check it regularly.

I remember back when /lang/ was made a lot of us joked about collectively learning a language so we can speak it in secret together. Norwegian and Esperanto were the most popular choices. It seems most people chose to learn Esperanto, which is indeed a nice language, but it's time to give Norwegian a chance.
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Sophie Fanningstodge - Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:34:09 EST ID:nn+kp04F No.8643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8642
>general introduction
>arsetalk about vowels
sorry man, can't think of any general advice right now. In my eyes, Norwegian has far fewer silly conventions than English and Dutch, so just be sure to tackle it with sense and no prejudice.
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Hannah Sattingville - Thu, 16 May 2013 09:51:19 EST ID:nn+kp04F No.9422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bump?

It would be cool if anyone was learning my language.
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Hamilton Sadgefuck - Thu, 16 May 2013 15:59:56 EST ID:vYraCd2N No.9423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9422
Perhaps some day, my friend... still have to finish learning japanese, pick up where school left off for french, and i should probably brush up on my german, but after that it's definitely norwegian
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Eirik Vík - Sun, 19 May 2013 13:45:32 EST ID:/of5SnWs No.9441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The funny thing is: Everyone here is learning Danish.
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Norsk - Sun, 19 May 2013 18:36:57 EST ID:lT1THKNV No.9444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Norway is cool, yous has the black metals.


Spanish question by Graham Coffingsat - Wed, 15 May 2013 00:39:42 EST ID:St+RTgxH No.9409 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Ok, I'm reading this comment and am not sure how to translate it exactly.

"pero sabes tengo miedo que se enamore y hacerle daño"

Is she saying..but, you know, I'm fearful that I will fall in love and get hurt"

Or is she saying that "she is fearful that he will fall in love and get hurt"

Thanks.
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Nigel Binningfuck - Thu, 16 May 2013 22:02:01 EST ID:sPeDl40G No.9424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is my mother tongue. It's the second one.
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Doris Subblehin - Fri, 17 May 2013 03:36:30 EST ID:Wr/nO4HK No.9425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
how could "tengo" mean "she is". Learn conjugations.

It is "se" and not "me" and so the person must be talking about someone else. (the subjunctive for the first and third person is the same)

then they changed from the subjunctive to the infininitive? Why would that happen? Because when you talk about yourself in this type of sentence you don' t need subjunctive.

Even if you didn' t understand that the "Le" is another thing that tells you the damage is being done to the indirect object.

So the sentences means

I'm afraid she'll fall in love and I'll hurt her.
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Doris Subblehin - Fri, 17 May 2013 03:37:29 EST ID:Wr/nO4HK No.9426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9424
don't be a dick, what if this guy needs to eeavesdrop on a private conversation and you ruin that for him?
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Sidney Duzzleville - Fri, 17 May 2013 15:55:55 EST ID:yXtnXJpl No.9434 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9425
Well it doesn't mean she is. I wasn't translating the quote word for word, just the general jist. There are a few reflexive verbs that if I don't have much practi e with can confuse me.
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Phineas Siffingwidge - Sat, 18 May 2013 19:11:34 EST ID:1JiNd0RJ No.9438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9434

enamorarse is a reflexive verb yes, and they all work in exactly the same way, so don´t say "a few" of them cause you a problem, either they all do or none of them do.

A lot of beginners have difficulties with object pronouns in Spanish, I used to find it impossible, now it´s second nature. Just keep at it.


A question that needs answered by Nicholas Crugglestone - Thu, 02 May 2013 12:03:07 EST ID:S6anr6Q2 No.9334 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Comment I've read this kind of sentence construction all over the Internet:

"I have a question that needs answered"

"I have a wall that needs painted"

"I have a shirt that needs ironed"

What part(s) of the world say things like this? I'm 99.9% sure these are native English-speakers, not ESL students.
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Barnaby Dengerpid - Tue, 14 May 2013 17:15:27 EST ID:Wr/nO4HK No.9408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9406

In linguistics., Not in your instincts. Buy a book or google it.

I can´t BELIEVE i live in a world where there are people that don´t know that an infinitive is a noun.



To be or not to be, that is the question.


What is "To be" in that sentence? A verb? No. A verb can´t be a subject, it´s functioning as a noun.

I need TO GO.
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Beatrice Honeybanks - Wed, 15 May 2013 00:51:29 EST ID:nn+kp04F No.9410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9408
>To be or not to be, that is the question.
What is the subject of that sentence? "that" is. And its antecedent is the phrase "to be or not to be". You could say that's a verbless utterance containing the nounphrase "to be", but I would say that nounphrases generally have determiners in them. And I don't consider "to" to be a determiner.

That doesn't prove my point of view or yours though, so I'll offer this:
Infinitives are modified by adverbs, not adjectives.

I have also run "an infinitive is a noun" through Duck Duck Go. There are several other people who make the same claim, but I dispute it. I am of a different view, as many linguists are.

In any case, I have a feeling this discussion flared up because you said my post was bullshit without offering any sort of explanation. >>9406
Are you the same person as Hamilton Brookhall?
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Doris Subblehin - Fri, 17 May 2013 03:44:41 EST ID:Wr/nO4HK No.9428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9410

Give me an example of an infinitive being modified by an adverb.
Give me an example of a gerund (I don't mean something like "parking" which is often used as a stand alone noun "I can't find good parkin" I mean an actual word which is in this moment functioning as a gerund). being modified by an adjective.


To run well is important.
Running well is important.
I like writing.
I like to write.




Gerunds and infinitives work the same way (but with different colocations), the linguists who reject that an infinitive is a noun do the same for gerunds.
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Doris Subblehin - Fri, 17 May 2013 03:46:15 EST ID:Wr/nO4HK No.9429 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9410


I thought you were hamilton brookhall
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Basil Sevingwell - Sat, 18 May 2013 12:21:23 EST ID:nn+kp04F No.9436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>9428
You still haven't answered my question: in what way is an infinitive a noun?

>Give me an example of an infinitive being modified by an adverb.
"I can write well"
"To boldly go where no man has gone before"

>Give me an example of a gerund [...] being modified by an adjective.
I can't think of one. Actually, I think they're generally modified by adverbs. So maybe the "proof" I presented in >>9410 was not conclusive either way.

>To run well is important.
>Running well is important.
The potato is important.
That he runs is important.
>I like writing.
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learning Arabic by Hannah Trotgold - Thu, 16 May 2013 05:01:57 EST ID:4YbNEuMA No.9416 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Where do I start? What are some good sources to begin my education?
I don't wanna take recorded college courses, I don't want it on my record that I can speak Arabic going into the profession that I'm interested in. I'd rather play dumb and have greater access.
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Doris Subblehin - Fri, 17 May 2013 03:38:53 EST ID:Wr/nO4HK No.9427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What profession? I know a guy who studied arabic specifically because it got him a good job in the army blowing up large parts of the culture he had learned about.


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