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TEACHING ENGLISH AS A FOREIGN LANGUAGE HORROR STORIES ETC by John Nicklefield - Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:13:29 EST ID:mPRdrUeT No.11631 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've just finished my Cambridge ELT qualification, got a job offer (signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours) and I'm now about to move away to a Eurasian metropolis where I will be undertaking my first English teaching job.

tell me about how snotty the kids are going to be
any horror stories (to tell camp-fire style)?
been figuratively fucked in the arse by a language school?
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Lydia Muddlestadging - Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:02:26 EST ID:hHkY/Pka No.11643 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What? I have been working in ESL in Europe for 7 years and I've never had this happen or had it happen to anyone I know.


It depends on the country. In The Czech Republic you'll make about 4 euro an hour. In Spain you'll make 15 after a while, 9 in your first year. In Germany you could be looking at 20 if you have experience and are fluent in German.
Everyone says Dubai pays the most, but the kids are supposed to be a nightmare.
Lydia Muddlestadging - Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:06:32 EST ID:hHkY/Pka No.11644 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The weekend ELT courses are all scams. They give a qualification to absolutely anybody who is willing to pay, and the majority of schools know that.

A CELTA course is 120+ hours or so and takes about a month, with about 7 hours of teaching practice. But I recommend doing a 2 month part time course if at all possible.

It costs about €1,500 euro.
poli - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:08:24 EST ID:f8SXPnff No.11881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
aye come to turkey for the money stay for the baklava
Charles Ceblingforth - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:45:33 EST ID:P7O2XtJ8 No.11883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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oh my god baklava
Phyllis Gackledale - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:35:51 EST ID:jnF9nI22 No.11887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's gonna depend on the country really op.
I teach in Myanmar and it's great, children and adults are enthusiastic about learning, because of the culture here. It's also rare for schools to be dicks to foreigners because of supply and demand.

Salary is about $1000-$2000/month can be more (if you work for an international school it's more).

Pseudo-intellectual internet "linguists" by Cornelius Dillyfield - Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:21:22 EST ID:fa47rx37 No.8677 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Stop this, you pseudo-intellectual faggots.

English has many many words that other languages don't have. Also, this isn't a word, not even a compound. I can just start saying "elevating spirit" or some shit too. Stop downplaying English when you find other languages as if they are the arc of the bloody covenant or something and somehow inherently superior to English because they have a few words or phrases that English doesn't use/have in the same manner.
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Sophie Nabbersare - Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:09:48 EST ID:JGkxUoCj No.11850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not a linguist in any way shape or form but is there any actual point to words having a gender? Who gives a shit if the moon is a chick and the sun has a dick that doesn't impart any meaningful information whatsoever
Esther Firryson - Wed, 12 Nov 2014 22:41:34 EST ID:Z1v+SCTB No.11851 Ignore Report Quick Reply

tl;dr history and it makes things clear what goes where

In ancient times the old languages that French, English, German, Gypsy, Greek, Armenian, Irish, Russian, Farsi, etc spoke with a very free word order. They could put the action before the doer or the done-to after, depending on what they needed to emphasize, sometimes leaving out parts that didn't need to be said. That was only enabled by having word endings, In English today you can't say "the mouse caught the cat", you have to say "the cat caught <i>the mouse</i>" while changing pitch and tone etc for the emphasis or else you imply that the mouse was the doer and not the done-to.

But there was another reason for those word endings: the basic word order. When they weren't moving things around for emphasis, it usually meant that a normal way of saying something was "doer done-to action". But that put 2 nouns on the same side of the sentence, so to keep things clear and ordered they'd have to talk like "thing(doer) thing(done-to) verb". And it wasn't that bad to talk that way: there's an abstract logical reason that makes it very easy to order arguments that way - if our math worked that way, for example, we wouldn't need order of operations. Plus it was only usually 1 sound, not a whole word, attached to the end (eg Cattus muscam capit, where Catt- is a stem and -us is an ending, where musc- is a stem, and -am is an ending).

Originally there were no genders, but certain things never found themselves in the doer role, because of usually real reasons like pots don't do things or rocks or so on. When the languages changed a bit they reinterpreted a lot of do-nothing things as looking like done-tos even in the doer role of sentence; even though rocks don't do things maybe a spirit possessed one and caused it to, right - but whats the doer form? Everyone forgot.

This was the first set of genders - animate and inanimate. Animate things were people, some animals, and other things that did things, inanimate things were things that didn't do things, like rocks, tools, or sometimes plants or other similar stuff.
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Faggy Bockleway - Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:00:49 EST ID:LN34p4C8 No.11852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What a horrifically eurocentric assessment!

You did a great job but answered the question how grammatical gender evolved in PIE but not why grammatical gender is needed. Uralic and Turkic languages never parse their words for gender; they even have gender neutral pronouns. Afro-Asiatic languages also have grammatical gender although there's evolved independently from PIE's. Coincidently, the (classical) Arabic feminine ending ة was also a glottal fricative (h) and is still written as such but these days you just pronounce a or at.

Sophie Nabbersare is correct in thinking grammatical gender has no extricable purpose. It once did in PIE did but it's nothing more than a vestigial feature.
Frederick Chundlelock - Thu, 27 Nov 2014 12:17:18 EST ID:+5oX0u2R No.11879 Ignore Report Quick Reply

it often makes it more clear what you are referring to exactly when you say "it"
depends on the language.
Is it necessary, no. is it useful? yes. considering how easy it is for kids to learn it anyway there is no reason not to have like 20 genders.. and there are some languages that have genders in the double digits
Nathaniel Gerrysteck - Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:39:27 EST ID:4wV/INP8 No.11900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wish we did. All this character, personality and individuality repulses me. It's disgustingly inefficient.

Learning Arabic in a year by alkemest - Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:35:43 EST ID:86jrGCuF No.11565 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's up guys, quick question, how do I learn Arabic at least passably in about a years time?
I'm graduating Uni in a year or so with a degree in journalism and polisci, and Palestine has been on my heart and mind for years. This current slaughter is really pushing me towards volunteering to teach English there when I graduate. The thing is that I'll probably want/need some understanding of Arabic before I head over. I can take classes, but I may also need to buckle down and get my required classes done this next year.

What are some tools that are available to learn Arabic? Primarily I'd want to be able to speak it with passable basic writing skills.
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Sophie Dimmerlock - Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:51:42 EST ID:wHm1akGe No.11817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
think about that.
do you really want to hang out with another variety of jehovas witnesses?
Alice - Fri, 31 Oct 2014 04:53:40 EST ID:5BPy2LUk No.11821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Beats being homeless i bet.
Cornelius Fuckingworth - Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:23:33 EST ID:wHm1akGe No.11875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this is the language board. i cant believe you still take regilion seriously in the year 02014. we're about to colonise space and shit, and you still by da grace of god believe in this bullcrap.
Wesley Fendlefug - Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:48:54 EST ID:uS2H+RWa No.11877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11875 atheist here and though I don't believe I acknowledge that religion is a personal thing. People bring in their own values to the religion; the violent person brings violence to his faith and he who's full of love brings love to his faith. Maybe for us religion is something we do not want to subscribe to. Still, imposing this idea or any other on anyone, no matter the evidence, belief or reason behind our words is not the way to peaceful coexistence.

Ps I understand if you want to take this discussion further but remember this is a language board. Islam might be a central force behind Arabic but let's discuss the language here. This is a language board after all.
Wesley Fendlefug - Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:49:14 EST ID:uS2H+RWa No.11878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11875 atheist here and though I don't believe I acknowledge that religion is a personal thing. People bring in their own values to the religion; the violent person brings violence to his faith and he who's full of love brings love to his faith. Maybe for us religion is something we do not want to subscribe to. Still, imposing this idea or any other on anyone, no matter the evidence, belief or reason behind our words is not the way to peaceful coexistence.

Ps I understand if you want to take this discussion further but remember this is a language board. Islam might be a central force behind Arabic but let's discuss the language here rather than the faith. This is a language board after all.

Want your help, wordsmiths by Ian Blimblewig - Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:25:45 EST ID:KR0otAvU No.11859 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's the shortest, most powerful one syllable word you can come up with, original or not? For example "Tao" and "God" are short, unoriginal 'powerful' words and "Dog" is another short one syllable word. What words can you come up with?
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Martin Hannerlock - Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:37:12 EST ID:GQMne/JL No.11865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Henry Blidgewill - Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:39:49 EST ID:GDvDO8oD No.11868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Charlotte Pesslesedging - Fri, 21 Nov 2014 00:54:08 EST ID:Ucck4ZG8 No.11869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oi!!! You bloody wanker
Fucking Lighthood - Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:17:10 EST ID:QsJnD0e7 No.11874 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Serbian learning by Martin Blackshaw - Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:48:34 EST ID:MtHV5DDA No.11608 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /lang/ I'm wondering if there's any good way to learn Serbian. I know it's incredibly similar to Croatian and Bosnian when it comes to spelling in the latin alphabet but it's still dissimilar to English. I was thinking if I learn the Latin alphabet and the language to a good standard, I can then learn Cyrillic script.
Are there any good learning resources out there?
TL;DR How do I learn Serbian well and quickly?
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Graham Sammlecocke - Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:55:33 EST ID:PzybkvAH No.11622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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  • Learn to read first, that's the easiest part since the alphabet is phonetic, you don't even have to know the meaning of words. Don't let Cyrillic intimidate you, with a table showing the corresponding letters in Latin and Cyrillic side to side, you'll get the hang of it in no time.

  • Then work on your vocabulary. Make use of the media in Serbian, movies are a good way to learn since you have a picture to give you some context, and there are some good Serbian movies out there.

  • Tackle grammar last, since the grammatical cases (there's 7 of them) and genders (3 of them) are the most difficult to learn for those whose language doesn't have them. You'll really need some help on this one. Even many native speakers can't get the cases right (namely those in the South).

>Serbian, Bosnian or Croatian language
All the same language, Emma's right.

Interesting tidbit: I've been to Mostar last month, one of the cities in Bosnia-Hercegovina where the fighting in the '90s was the heaviest (it was between Croats and Muslims). The tension is still palpable.

Everybody over there calls the language simply "our language". Nobody ever names it. It's so weird. And sad. I had to bite my tongue a few times not to call it "Serbian" by force of habit (I'm from Serbia).
Graham Sammlecocke - Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:31:40 EST ID:PzybkvAH No.11623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One more language-related anecdote from my recent trip:

When the fierce fighting broke out in Mostar, the civilians fled. They mostly ended up in Scandinavian countries, which were the most accepting of refugees. Few of the native inhabitants of the city came back, it's mostly newcomers now.

The native citizens now have a saying: "You're not a true Mostarian if you don't speak Norwegian".
Gotta love their black humor.
Shitting Demmleford - Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:46:19 EST ID:5lTLYqJz No.11624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've been using a website to speak to natives and they're pretty friendly and they all seem to say that Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is all the same.
Is there any good literature out there to learn from? I need a good text book to accompany myconversations with the natives
Matilda Divingkudge - Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:37:34 EST ID:DJfxBg0j No.11871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes, many good Srpski movie. I recommend to learn Serbian from classic film 'A Serbian Film' Is very good.
Ebenezer Pickhall - Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:08:54 EST ID:okdFc3JJ No.11872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
cyrillic is really really easy to learn. like you can learn it in an hour with menmonics. I'm not smart or anything, honestly, it's easy, don't put off learning it.

but yeah, learn both at the same time. it's much easier to recognize a word in cyrilic if you already know it than if it is a new word.

> I've seen the odd lesson on offer but it just seems like dodgy shit.

It's usually someone from the country hoping to supplement their income or support their family by teaching. You could go to him/her for an hour a week to get your pronunciation corrected and you could write them little things and have those corrected.

Self study is better in general. language classes always go really slowly because they seem to let the shits who don't study dictate the pace of the class

WRITTEN Language by Sidney Sinkinkare - Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:16:11 EST ID:24ygmyw9 No.11555 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Native Hindi and English speaker here . However I am learning the north Indian script . I can read Urdu - which is mutually intelligible but uses Arabic alphabet .

So got to thinking . Even tho i only speak 2 languages i can read 4 scripts : Latin Greek Arab Devnagar

So what spoken languages and what scripts are you fluent and what you want to learn ? Aside from the above I know a little spanish and franch but nowhere near fluent. As far as writing chinese interests me .
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Archie Nagglechad - Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:40:41 EST ID:XvPUcrbo No.11750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In high school, I learned the Korean alphabet. Not the language. Just the alphabet. I've since forgotten it. But it's by far the coolest alphabet.

Each symbol is a syllable. Unlike japanese, each symbol is actually composed of letters from their alphabet. It's a pretty awesome concept.
Archie Nagglechad - Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:44:54 EST ID:XvPUcrbo No.11751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh yeah, it's just 24 letters. So it's comparable to latin/cyrillic alphabets in complexity, but it looks dope like chinese/japanese characters.
Albert Gaggledale - Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:23:07 EST ID:Wrogz3dW No.11754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am trying to learn Japanese kanji, plus their hiragana & katakana scripts..

Good luck with Urdu, OP!
David Pumblesurk - Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:29:15 EST ID:b4qeTsnA No.11812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
im dyslexic
Shitting Niggerdale - Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:53:38 EST ID:GqsP0ZtK No.11858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would be interested to know how a dyslexic manages with japanese writing! My friend said ages ago that it's not a problem in Japan, so their literacy is way higher than the UK.

Blah is the langauge of...... by Martha Gossleville - Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:46:24 EST ID:4+ObrLLz No.8949 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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As languages are sometimes associcated with nouns, Like french is the language of love, (well that is the only one i know) or italien is the language of music, german of philosophy!
Then wat are languages (in particular Farsi, if ye know) or any langauge at all?
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HakktV2 - Sat, 05 Jul 2014 21:22:44 EST ID:q5wzgHyy No.11519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lol yes @Russian (that feel when your ex girlfriend is a cold blooded motherfucking chick)
Basil Ginkinham - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 14:51:00 EST ID:lRWJgASq No.11520 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lithuanian is the language of elves
Hungarian is the language of orcs
Portuguese is a sinister language
Esther Dindlewidge - Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:37:06 EST ID:F8xE90or No.11663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Danish is the language of incomprehensible drunks
moxie !QvI1p9.OFY - Sat, 15 Nov 2014 18:03:08 EST ID:avmU74pl No.11856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no, lithuanian is the language of stoic assholes
Emma Cubberhall - Sun, 16 Nov 2014 00:17:12 EST ID:RYQ9LXTa No.11857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Japanese is the language of romance. Why? Because my japanese teacher said so.

And english is the language of nouns. Because other languages use the word "substantive".

help by Phineas Mabberhot - Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:13:24 EST ID:NSiA5J4q No.11560 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm not a native English speaker and I want to start reading English novels but i'm afraid of not being able to read some of its words, especially the vowel words that seem like they have the short vowel sound but in reality the vowels or some are long.
How do you guys figure this out?
Are they rules?
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Emma Gablingspear - Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:20:56 EST ID:mgnE7JTe No.11838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just watch a bunch of cartoons

i recommend samurai jack
Eliza Demmleford - Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:53:31 EST ID:RYQ9LXTa No.11853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Out of curiosity, are you a native english speaker?

I've always wondered if people who speak english natively "see" or "understand" those different pronouciations. For someone like me, who uses english as a foreign language, they are very apparent. But I'm not so sure if it is so for those whose mother tongue is english. (Especially if they don't speak other languages...)
CrazyFolksTribe !loJSOMZg0g - Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:13:12 EST ID:p/0MewD3 No.11854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes, I'm a native English speaker. I don't really see or understand the pronunciations; I just "speak" the words inside my head as I read them so I can hear the different pronunciations.
Eliza Demmleford - Sat, 15 Nov 2014 17:58:57 EST ID:RYQ9LXTa No.11855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks for the reply. I guess that's something that also comes with fluency, since I don't really have to think about the different rules (or deviances) either. I have just memorized everything phonetically. But it's still very apparent how "illogical" english can be at times, when I only merely look at the words.
Cyril Semblehedge - Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:26:25 EST ID:xLdweCCV No.11870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this, but it can be any american (or british, i don't know what you want) media. just be sure to use subtitles, they are a must.
the correct answer is the simpsons though

Looking for a few honorable Klingons for linguistics research by gfranzen@uwm.edu - Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:58:23 EST ID:riuwJDLT No.11845 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Looking for a few volunteers from all linguistic backgrounds- anyone with a decent microphone. Read from a deck of flash cards 5 times and you're done. I haven't completely designed the deck just yet, but I don't expect it to be too long, and it'll be a mix of single words and short phrases- all utterances common in Klingon.
It's not paid (like most good research work should be) but for those interested, I can follow up with the final product (something like 10 pages?). This paper will hopefully mark the end of my academic career, so, Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!

Learning Mandarin by George Snodway - Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:19:18 EST ID:03QHJwUF No.11757 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello, is there a site similar to duolingo.com that I can use to learn to speak Mandarin?

(I am just trying to learn conversation and pinyin, learning the characters is quite an undertaking)
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cursive !M6R0eWkIpk - Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:27:26 EST ID:29HOrGFb No.11762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yellowbridge dot com
byki dot com
Nigger Ginkinway - Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:02:05 EST ID:YpxqR+QJ No.11782 Ignore Report Quick Reply

ChinaPod, though it used to be free, it is now paid I believe.
Not that you couldn't find it.. somewhere.. \

Happy learning. Wo xi huan ni de shuo hua

Wo ye zai xue xi zhong wen, danshi wo bu hue kan de dong characters..
Graham Hoshbury - Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:17:57 EST ID:dJPTibKY No.11803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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hskflashcards com is pretty good if you decide to learn some characters.
This is a pretty slow board so might as well make it /mandarin/ since there are never threads for it on /int/

Ni hao!
Sophie Dimmerlock - Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:53:36 EST ID:wHm1akGe No.11818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
我也再学习中文。 你可以看节目《舌尖上的中国》和《爸爸去哪儿》
Martin Clungermadge - Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:36:40 EST ID:mgnE7JTe No.11819 Ignore Report Quick Reply




thats what ive learned so far

Learning tamil by Ernest Borringmeck - Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:01:27 EST ID:tJuKiIG/ No.11816 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm trying to learn my native language Tamil, but I cant seem to find anything like Rosetta Stone to help me learn the basics. Can someone point me in the right direction, I know there has to be something on the internet that can help me learn this language...

Thanks in advance

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