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>>>>>>:3 by Edwin Dungerway - Fri, 23 Nov 2012 20:30:26 EST ID:TUSCUz1Y No.8196 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Privet,
Im just chiming in to announce that i have found another website other than livemocha that offers online lessons.
http://www.memrise.com/

Feel free to discuss other online resources and their effectiveness.


Korean by Phoebe Gillyfoot - Wed, 13 Jun 2012 04:54:37 EST ID:5jA/MMwv No.6863 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So just recently I started trying to teach myself Korean. The alphabet is easy enough but the pronunciation is where I'm really having problems. I am having problems differentiating between a few letters.

가 is Gah but sounds exactly like 카 (Kah)
다 is Dah but sounds exactly like 타 (Tah)
바 is Bah but sounds exactly like 파 (Pah)
자 is Jah but sounds exactly like 차 (Cha)
라 is la, is this supposed to be pronounced as "ra" or "lra"?

어 (uh or eo), 오 (oh), 우 (ooh ), and 으 (euh [eu]) all sound remarkably similar to me.

I know that they are all supposed to sound different, but I just can't make out the difference yet. Will I eventually be able to make out the difference if I continue listening to Korean speech or should I just give up now?
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Barnaby Gebberlore - Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:50:29 EST ID:k5j36vut No.6968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Jarvis Seddlefad - Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:36:18 EST ID:5jA/MMwv No.6970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6968
First off,
>9gag
Next on the list,
>see pic
He's wrong here, ㄱ is not always "g", ㄷ is not always "d", etc.
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Shit Denkinfield - Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:43:40 EST ID:5jA/MMwv No.6991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6949
Course that teaches Korean in Japanese: http://www.coelang.tufs.ac.jp/modules/ko/index.html

Not sure how effective it is because I cannot into moon.
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:23:51 EST ID:W00+OXnB No.6993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6991

Holy shit, that is awesome!
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:48:44 EST ID:/MVMuumA No.8162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6993

Why did this thread get bumped to the front page? Is it stickied now or something?


Da best by [ ɹ ] - Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:43:48 EST ID:8z9EUbhi No.7919 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The standard English rhotic is the best rhotic sound in any language. All other rhotics can go suck a bag of dicks.
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Cornelius Bardspear - Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:33:34 EST ID:0gYdC7aG No.8008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8003

>Talk like an educated english speaker

And what does that sound like exactly? A Midwest American accent? RP? Estuary/BBC English? Language standards are a heap of crap.
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David Grandworth - Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:55:49 EST ID:sAxwwbTv No.8013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Language standards are a heap of crap.

Linguistics 101: Rule #1
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Nathaniel Drannerwell - Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:37:41 EST ID:Jgk69TKB No.8065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8006

I say it burer sometimes (with a flapped r). I didn't even realize that I was doing it.
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Matilda Smallhall - Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:03:01 EST ID:bhC7xOEG No.8086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A linguistic troll thread? mmmh... Interesting.
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Jack Bettingwill - Fri, 09 Nov 2012 05:30:19 EST ID:a7lVlN1r No.8127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mandarin has a rhotic sound. In Beijing dialect it's especially strong. Some characters have an added rhotic sound to it.


polish by Frederick Cemblelock - Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:13:46 EST ID:x0ak8Lwo No.8040 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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should i learn it?
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polishgirl - Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:58:43 EST ID:L3l9YoUZ No.8102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8040
I am polish but there is noway for me to understand russian leters. Words sound similar, but i think czech language is easier to understand, if you know polish already.
Our language sounds like whispering, that make it difficult to understand and pronunce. Also in our grammar you can say "two" in 17 different ways depending on the context. Good luck with this language cause it's like one of most difficult worl'd languages:)
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Isabella Pittson - Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:11:06 EST ID:vqtQhLYp No.8111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8102
Another fellow polfag here (wow, I had no idea there were so many of us here... counted at least three myself included!). OP, yeah, you should learn Polish, 'cause if you manage to find a teacher, you'll likely save one poor soul from unemployment. A linguistics student myself, I know better than anyone that the only thing more annoying than having to learn a hard language is having to learn how it works. Too fucked up to remember half of what I was going to type, but yeah, there you have it in a nutshell.
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Your Pope - Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:51:26 EST ID:VD3u7GVN No.8117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>8040
Yeah you should, but it must be damn difficult. I once tried to teach one guy Polish but I had no clue how to even present the grammar, there is so much complexity not present in romance languages or in English. Russian is similar to Polish, maybe to the extent Dutch is to English: very much in common, you can read Dutch and more or less get it, but when they start to speak - hell no
And there is the cyrillic alphabet, but that's a few hours of study and you can read it.

polfag of course. Everyone is Polish or American on the internets
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Esther Duckleduck - Wed, 07 Nov 2012 06:04:56 EST ID:vqtQhLYp No.8122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>8117
O kurwa, ale siara. Nie dość, że taga nie usunął, to jeszcze bierze obrazki z kwejka. o kurwa.
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Nathaniel Bunford - Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:09:29 EST ID:nn+kp04F No.8139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8117
>Everyone is Polish or American on the internets


Paying for LiveMocha? by Phoebe Forringstotch - Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:00:29 EST ID:VSTT+xM5 No.8103 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I started using the program earlier today and it seems like something that could definitely help me learn French. Is it worth paying for? I have about a month of free time and am looking to devote maybe about 4 or 5 hours per day to studying French and I've got enough money to pay for a month. I'll be mainly practicing conjugating verbs in different tenses, hopefully some basic reading, watching shows and movies in French and of course using LiveMocha. Will it even have enough content at the rate which I'll be using it? Am I covering all the bases in learning French with what I'll be doing? Should I be doing something or somethings that haven't crossed my mind?

Thanks.
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Sun, 04 Nov 2012 04:01:00 EST ID:pYN61OTJ No.8110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're probably better off looking into other methods as your main learning tool. I don't know shit about French though.
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Clara Brepperway - Mon, 05 Nov 2012 00:35:07 EST ID:ahoTNkby No.8114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've only done a little french on livemocha but i've done a decent amount of the german. I think that it's got some beneficial aspects but since i'm cheap I spend almost as much time grading other people's submissions to get the tokens as I do spending them on lessons myself.

Just started using duolingo too, I enjoy it as well. Also, you should try to get the pimsleur audio. Helps with speaking and auditory comprehension.
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Eugene Wullyworth - Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:25:18 EST ID:IyTffTcz No.8115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can still do the basic vocab courses free, even after your time runs out, I think.

I can, at least.


Mandarin Chinese by Fuck Pellygold - Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:45:33 EST ID:gTV4Xwv1 No.8099 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I wish to start learning mandarin Chinese, what is the best site to learn from audio files, something I can just listen to while in transit on my ipod, I've looked at quite a few sites but most of them arent really amateur orientated. Is there a really good site out there?
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Edward Garringdale - Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:13:36 EST ID:TNIvD8J9 No.8108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lingq.com


DLAB by Edwin Gublingson - Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:57:00 EST ID:VIT8at0U No.7747 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Has anyone here taken the DLAB?

I'm hoping to join the Air Force and become an Airborne Linguist, but for that you have to make at least a 100 out of 126 on the DLAB.

How do I prepare myself for the test itself? I've only found a few practice tests online and it seems to be rather easy so far (i.e., they present you with a randomly generated gibberish "language" and give you clues as to how the grammar works, and you decipher it). I have a good understanding of linguistics overall, but is there any REAL way I can prepare myself for it? It's supposed to gauge your ability to learn a language.
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Esther Gimblefuck - Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:45:19 EST ID:VRjUbtHN No.7796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have several friends who did this with the Navy/CG.
They all say "everyone thinks they do terrible but almost everyone gets in." It's once you start doing the intense study in Monterrey that people drop out like flies.
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Nigel Fubblemug - Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:55:40 EST ID:O1ZyIUzc No.7941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>7747
I want to try for a score of 105-110, I would love to learn Chinese or Russian. Bump for more study material.
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Frederick Werringpune - Thu, 11 Oct 2012 23:23:47 EST ID:O1ZyIUzc No.7956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've been researching hardcore, this is the best resource found so far.

http://blog.linguiphile.com/dlap-test-preparation
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Newt Greenwich - Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:32:04 EST ID:Ag5g/nTp No.7967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Future Airman here, I took the DLAB, there's no way to study for it whatsoever but I still ended up making a 117 on it. Your best bet on helping you in any way would be taking tests in which you have to memorize rules that apply to each section and the next section and so on. Also, you don't get to select which language you want. Your language is entirely based on necessity so you're probably going to end up speaking Farsi or Korean. But more than likely you'll end up with a desert language unless you already have progress in a certain language that the military needs. Good luck to you though, just remember to go in with a steady mindset and leave with a steady mindset, keep calm, and get PLENTY of sleep the night before. You'll do fine.
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Archie Worthingfield - Sat, 03 Nov 2012 02:22:45 EST ID:N0rwd6Zj No.8100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The DLAB is fairly easy, if you're good at recognizing patterns and remembering rules. (like "all adjectives must now come after the noun; both must also have the same ending. ex: "pigga browna").

Preparing yourself for it: bring a jacket and something to read when you're done because MEPS facilities suck and are always fucking cold. Get a good night's rest beforehand, eat the complimentary hotel breakfast, and get ready to sit back and enjoy watching the English language be raped asunder before your very eyes. Again, pattern recognition is key. When it comes to it, your gut's a good place to go for decisions lest you wind up over-thinking your answers. Don't lose track of time either.

I got a 127 on that bitch and now I'm ballin' it up in monterey, so don't sweat it too hard bro. (btdubs: it's out 176, not 126)

A good summary of the test itself:
http://blog.linguiphile.com/dlap-test-preparation

The DLAB is easy as balls. It's the classes here at DLI that will truly skullfuck you.


Adopted English words by Rebecca Branningfet - Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:24:49 EST ID:dBGUW1IL No.8089 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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In Denmark the words "fuck" and "fucking" just got added to the official Danish dictionary; Retskrivningsordbogen.

We do use a lot of English words, mostly technical, but young people especially use a plethora of different English words, sometimes combined with Danish endings and pronounced with varying degrees of English/Danish accent. Such as "You fucked it up" becoming "Du fuckede det op". Interestingly, "Fucked up" as an adjective usually retains the "up" instead of the Danish "op" when written.

I assume something similar is happening elsewhere. Please share.
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Oliver Blenkincocke - Thu, 01 Nov 2012 04:28:21 EST ID:dBGUW1IL No.8093 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8092

It's just the past tense-ending for verbs, it would be the same for him/her, them or even it, both in singular and plural form: "The bear fucked it up" = "Bjørnen fuckede det op". "The end fucked it up" = "Politikerne fuckede det op". Some verbs you add "de" at the end in the past tense form, some just "e" and some are completely irregular.

BTW I'm trying to refresh the German I learned in school by listening to some of the online radio stations.
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Oliver Blenkincocke - Thu, 01 Nov 2012 04:30:36 EST ID:dBGUW1IL No.8094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8093

Oops, my cursor pwned me. "The politicians fucked it up" = "Politikerne fuckede det op"

NB
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Edward Bashdock - Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:15:27 EST ID:8kS5avm6 No.8095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8092
>I'm most familiar with English and German, and their silly admixture, Denglisch. I reckon a lot of these loanwords will be dropped or naturalised (via gender, pronounciation etc.) in the next half-century. By then I reckon Chinese will be challenging English's dominance, so there may be a new source of loanwords.

You are a very naïve person. Most linguists agree that German will only continue to increase in Anglicisms and adapt itself to an increasingly anglophone dominated world and the idea of Chinese even challenging English is baseless folk-paranoia. Chinese has the most native speakers, while English far surpasses it in second language speakers. There are many many reasons why Chinese will never surpass English (short of Chinese military imperialism) and among those are: English has already got a foothold in business, science, and education and all a vast majority of professionals in these fields exclusively use English at an international level, English is taught from an early age now in most schools around the world while Chinese as a second language is nowhere near widespread even trailing behind languages which are not nearly as huge, numerous learning reasons in addition are a factor such as the fact that English uses the Latin alphabet and does not have tones which makes it a much much easier language for technology, and just about every other field (Chinese grammar is rather straightforward but that's where the difficulty ends - Hanzi are rubbish at an international level and most of the world's languages do not have tones - you can sound ridiculous in English and be understood - Chinese you cannot).

Nevertheless, why do you think Denglisch is silly? It's language evolution like any other and ideas of linguistic puritanism are draconian and baseless in reality, reserved for only the most pretentious "academics".
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Edward Bashdock - Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:07:56 EST ID:8kS5avm6 No.8096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8095
> the difficulty ends

Ah, apologies. I meant "the ease ends".
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Phyllis Goodman - Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:06:25 EST ID:R3Tqm79u No.8098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8094
I guess your cursor fuckede det op


Trying to learn French from a Bescherelle - A few questions? by Angus Chupperhood - Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:59:15 EST ID:VSTT+xM5 No.8077 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So since I've got a little bit of free time on my hands for the next few weeks I thought I'd try to better myself by learning the language that I've been in partial contact with for most of my life, which happened to be French. So I went out and bought Stillman/Gordon's 'The Big Blue Book of French Verbs' second edition and the Oxford Colour French Dictionary Plus third edition as texts to learn from. The great thing about both of these books is that they're not just straight up reference material, both books contain areas which summarize different areas of the French language and practice sentences, with the former book focusing on the different tenses and the latter on a little bit of everything.
With that being said, the Bescherelle indicates that there are fourteen tenses used in French and my first question is that do I absolutely need to learn all fourteen? My goal isn't to teach French or anything, just to be competent enough to read, write and converse at maybe the level of a fluent French speaking high schooler and even have it be something I can put on my resume in the future.
My second question is are there any online resources that will help me learn French? I feel as if taking in information from multiple sources will only help my fluency.
Thanks! :)

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Charles Blirryfield - Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:44:34 EST ID:8m3kOE4R No.8082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>do I absolutely need to learn all fourteen?
Mandatory only if you're into old literature. Otherwise don't bother, you only need to recognize them just in case but it's not in use.
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Fuck Shittingstock - Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:14:14 EST ID:VSTT+xM5 No.8084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8082

alright thanks. :) which ones are the bare minimum to know to converse in french woud you say? and which ones should be learned eventually but not necessarily mandatory to be able to spreak in french?
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Nathaniel Gunningnutch - Wed, 31 Oct 2012 05:21:22 EST ID:ZlwdhSkO No.8085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Indispensables: ind. présent (I speak), subj. présent (that I (would) speak), ind. passé composé (I spoke/I have spoken), subj. passé (that you had spoken), ind. imparfait (I was speaking), ind. futur simple (I will speak), ind. futur antérieur (I will have spoken), cond. passé (I would have spoken), cond. présent (I would speak), imp. présent (speak).
Subjonctif is not really necessary if you don't mind sounding illiterate because it's always imposed by a locution (afin que, en admettant que, non que, jusqu'à ce que etc.), as a tense it doesn't mean so much to be understood. Futur can also be expressed with the "I'm going to" formula, it's not considered as a tense but it might as well be.

Not so important: ind. passé simple, it's the correct translation of "I spoke" but it's a narrative tense fairly forgotten in the spoken language. You have to know it, but not use it. Of course if you learn it (or at least for "être" and "avoir") you will know passé antérieur at the same time.

Don't bother: subj. imparfait, plus-que-parfait, cond. passé (2ème forme), imp. passé.


Chineseseseses by Barnaby Duckbury - Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:37:55 EST ID:yAWNEcqG No.8079 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Okay /lang/ i know English, Spanish and Japanese. Next on the Cards is Chinese. How the fuck do i go about starting this alien language?
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:43:23 EST ID:pYN61OTJ No.8080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8079

Presumably you already know Hanzi for the most part yeah? Start learning pronounciation, nail down those tones till you can distinguish them easily. Then learn some vocab. Use something like Pimsleur or Michel Thomas for grammar, then supplement later with a grammar textbook if you want.

I've never learnt Chinese myself, so take all that with a grain of salt. It's just what I did with Vietnamese (which also has tones), and focusing on pronounciation first and foremost was a big help.


Bringing back "thou" by Beatrice Gendlefuck - Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:17:56 EST ID:sZHRvk7Z No.5901 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I would dearly like to have the informal second-person subject pronoun "thou" brought back into modern English, along with its other forms and its conjugations. Many people mistakenly believe "thou" to be a formal term, but that was not really the case in most forms of English. It was an informal, friendly, or at times even haughty way of addressing someone. It was violently suppressed by fanatics who felt it was improper.

I think it is charming, familiar, friendly, and useful. Many other languages have an equivalent, such as the German "du", the Spanish, French, and Portuguese "tu", and the Hindi "dhu", all cognates to the English "thou". Being able to indicate familiarity this way, I think, would be nice, and it would add charm to English, like the use of "vos" adds charm to Argentinian Spanish.

Here is how "thou" works

You (as subject) = Thou
You (as object) = Thee
Your = Thy
Yours= Thine

Conjugations for "thou" are not very hard.

You have = Thou hast
You love = Thou lovest
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Albert Crigglewon - Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:12:06 EST ID:E/XoJRoC No.7559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>7558
que?
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Albert Crigglewon - Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:13:32 EST ID:E/XoJRoC No.7560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>7558
english actually has that same example

what can be used for that/which

like
"are you the boy what stole my car"
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Alice Simmerman - Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:03:34 EST ID:+zvEOn54 No.7562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>7560

Yes. I've heard that said before as a matter of fact!
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Eugene Greendale - Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:02:21 EST ID:nn+kp04F No.8075 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5914
Well, sorry if it's frowned upon to bump such an old thread, but I remembered writing this and since I am doing some research on this dialect I've found it's not "thou hast", it's "thou has".

In Yorkshire verb conjugation, the "thou" form is always identical to the "he/she/it" form, and in some varieties the first person singular is as well.
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James Puttingdock - Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:08:10 EST ID:Jgk69TKB No.8076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8075

This is similar to how it often goes for the Lancashire dialect as well, as was mentioned earlier ITT. It often goes like "Thou has", "thou runs", "thou likes", etc.

>the "thou" form is always identical to the "he/she/it" form

Mm, ~usually~, not always.

I don't think anyone says "thou is" or "tha is", in the vein of "he is" or "it is".

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that "to be" always has its own special "thou" form in any kind of English.

I've read "thou art", and "tha'rt" as a contraction.

Although, perhaps "thou are" exists ("thou art" could easily segue into "thou are"--but it would be a big stretch to ever become "thou is").


Anki 2 Beta now has Shared Decks! by NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:36:02 EST ID:KLXfY/pO No.7881 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If you logged in to the AnkiWeb Beta, you would have noticed the Shared deck area.... Lacking, to say the least. That is, for a very long time, there were absolutely no shared decks whatsoever.

Well now that's changed! Check it out if any of you are using the Beta like I am, there's even some Vietnamese decks!
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Fuck Gingerridge - Tue, 09 Oct 2012 14:15:38 EST ID:DK7kM90X No.7940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Stop fagging up the board NinKendo. Take a walk or something. Get a life. Whatever works.
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George Grimwill - Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:52:04 EST ID:bQZPPUP9 No.7946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>7940
>"hey guys check out this tool that should help you learn a language"
>fagging up the board

Perhaps you need to take a walk Mr. Gingerridge.
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Nigger Buttingtire - Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:23:30 EST ID:gYChaicI No.7948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>7940

Oh, please. You don't need to be such a fucking prick.
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:29:50 EST ID:4Y8bReQD No.7960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>7939

Stable version is out now, download it off the main Anki page. If you want AnkiDroid, just go to http://code.google.com/p/ankidroid/downloads/list

I recommend v17, tried v18 and all sorts of issues syncing.
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:17:01 EST ID:pYN61OTJ No.8074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>7960

Beta v19 of AnkiDroid is released, however I continue to suffer the problem with syncing. I wouldn't recommend updating to anybody that has had the same or a similar issue.


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