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HOW DO YOU DECIDE ON A LANGUAGE by Cyril Shakeham - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 20:19:31 EST ID:6S+wMTU7 No.11891 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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And how do you keep up with it?
There are seriously probably a half dozen or more languages I am very interested in, yet can't settle on one enough to put any effort into it. There are pros and cons to all of them.

As part of my self-improvement routine I'm really hoping to settle on 2 and alternate, doing an hour of study every other day. (For example, Latin on MWF, Arabic on TThS). But seriously, how do you even pick one?

Next post I will write about which ones I'm interested in, even if just to get it all out of my head and on paper.
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David Brookman - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:28:16 EST ID:h3lr3kpz No.11894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
FYI, American. Good Spanish after 8 years of schooling and using it on the job and to read books.

>High interest:
-Hebrew (modern)
Pro: Dad was Israeli. Learning an non-European language will be good for the brain, make me think differently. Also a challenge to learn a new alphabet. Abundance of Hebrew language media is available because Israel is a developed nation.
Con: relatively few speakers, especially in the US. Most Israelis know English and would probably rather practice English with me.
Won't be able to read the Bible with Modern Hebrew, not that that's very important to me but whatever.

-Scots Gaelic
Pro: Mom's side of the family is almost entirely Scots and their culture is important to me. Considered moving there for some time. Celtic languages sound beautiful.
Con: No one speaks it. 60,000 in Scotland, basically zero in America. Intermediate and high level materials are hard to find.

-Latin
Pro: Classical literature, foundation of the west. Should be somewhat easy with a strong Spanish base.
Con: No use other than reading. Difficult grammar, time could be arguably better spent with a living language.
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Hugh Pengerbanks - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 12:54:19 EST ID:H0C+olUa No.11895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11894
>>11894
> and I hear that the Japanese really look down on whites interested in their culture

Could be worse.

you could be Korean


Testing by Phyllis Gackledale - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:29:23 EST ID:jnF9nI22 No.11884 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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" ႏွစ္လံုးတြဲ စကားတိုေလးမ် ား "

(1) About when? = ဘယ္ေတာ့ေလာက္လဲ

(2) All set? = အားလံုး အဆင္သင့္ ျဖစ္ျပီးလား

(3) Any clues? = ဘာ သဲလြန္စမ် ား ရွိလဲ

(4) Any discount ? = ေစ် းေလ်ွ ာ့ဦးမလား

(5) Any seats? = ခံုလြတ္ရွိေသးလား

(6) Anything else? = ဘာလိုေသးလဲ

(7) Anything new? = ဘာထူးေသးလဲ
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Phyllis Gackledale - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:30:24 EST ID:jnF9nI22 No.11885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
(59) Thumbs up ! = ေအာင္ျပီေဟ့

(60) Hold sit ! = ရပ္လိုက္ /ခဏ ေနဦး

(61) Hold still ! = မလွဳ ပ္နဲ႕ ျငိမ္ျငိမ္ေန

(62) God forbid ! = ဖြ လြဲေစဖယ္ေစ

(63) Poorly paid ! = လခ မစြံဘူး

(64) Need anything ? = ဘာလိုခ်င္ပါသလဲ

(65) That's weired ! = ကိုးရို႕ကားယားၾကီး

(66) It can ! = အဲဒါ ျဖစ္ႏိုင္တယ္
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Phyllis Gackledale - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:32:03 EST ID:jnF9nI22 No.11886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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(101) Just here! = ဒီနားေလးတင္

(102) Phone calling ! = ဖုန္းလာေနတယ္

(103) Keep trying ! = ဆက္ၾကိဳ းစားပါ

(104) What about ? = ဘာေတြေျပာေနတာလဲ

(105) Just gossip ! = အတင္းေျပာေနၾကတာပါ

(106) No doubt ! = အဲဒါေတာ့ သံသယ မရွိနဲ႕

(107) Lovely voice ! = ေကာင္းလိုက္တဲ့ အသံ

(108) Can't wait = မေစာင့္ႏိုင္ပါဘူး
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Phyllis Gackledale - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:39:36 EST ID:jnF9nI22 No.11888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Great. Myanmar language for anyone who's interested. Someone posted on facebok, but my computer didn't have support so I just pasted it here and copied the webpage for future reference.
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Clara Poshdun - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:43:20 EST ID:9Lmu9Mro No.11889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>11888
Clever girl



Pseudo-intellectual internet "linguists" by Cornelius Dillyfield - Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:21:22 EST ID:fa47rx37 No.8677 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Stop this, you pseudo-intellectual faggots.

English has many many words that other languages don't have. Also, this isn't a word, not even a compound. I can just start saying "elevating spirit" or some shit too. Stop downplaying English when you find other languages as if they are the arc of the bloody covenant or something and somehow inherently superior to English because they have a few words or phrases that English doesn't use/have in the same manner.
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Sophie Nabbersare - Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:09:48 EST ID:JGkxUoCj No.11850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8709
I'm not a linguist in any way shape or form but is there any actual point to words having a gender? Who gives a shit if the moon is a chick and the sun has a dick that doesn't impart any meaningful information whatsoever
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Esther Firryson - Wed, 12 Nov 2014 22:41:34 EST ID:Z1v+SCTB No.11851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11850

tl;dr history and it makes things clear what goes where



In ancient times the old languages that French, English, German, Gypsy, Greek, Armenian, Irish, Russian, Farsi, etc spoke with a very free word order. They could put the action before the doer or the done-to after, depending on what they needed to emphasize, sometimes leaving out parts that didn't need to be said. That was only enabled by having word endings, In English today you can't say "the mouse caught the cat", you have to say "the cat caught <i>the mouse</i>" while changing pitch and tone etc for the emphasis or else you imply that the mouse was the doer and not the done-to.


But there was another reason for those word endings: the basic word order. When they weren't moving things around for emphasis, it usually meant that a normal way of saying something was "doer done-to action". But that put 2 nouns on the same side of the sentence, so to keep things clear and ordered they'd have to talk like "thing(doer) thing(done-to) verb". And it wasn't that bad to talk that way: there's an abstract logical reason that makes it very easy to order arguments that way - if our math worked that way, for example, we wouldn't need order of operations. Plus it was only usually 1 sound, not a whole word, attached to the end (eg Cattus muscam capit, where Catt- is a stem and -us is an ending, where musc- is a stem, and -am is an ending).


Originally there were no genders, but certain things never found themselves in the doer role, because of usually real reasons like pots don't do things or rocks or so on. When the languages changed a bit they reinterpreted a lot of do-nothing things as looking like done-tos even in the doer role of sentence; even though rocks don't do things maybe a spirit possessed one and caused it to, right - but whats the doer form? Everyone forgot.

This was the first set of genders - animate and inanimate. Animate things were people, some animals, and other things that did things, inanimate things were things that didn't do things, like rocks, tools, or sometimes plants or other similar stuff.
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Faggy Bockleway - Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:00:49 EST ID:LN34p4C8 No.11852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11851
What a horrifically eurocentric assessment!

You did a great job but answered the question how grammatical gender evolved in PIE but not why grammatical gender is needed. Uralic and Turkic languages never parse their words for gender; they even have gender neutral pronouns. Afro-Asiatic languages also have grammatical gender although there's evolved independently from PIE's. Coincidently, the (classical) Arabic feminine ending ة was also a glottal fricative (h) and is still written as such but these days you just pronounce a or at.

Sophie Nabbersare is correct in thinking grammatical gender has no extricable purpose. It once did in PIE did but it's nothing more than a vestigial feature.
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Frederick Chundlelock - Thu, 27 Nov 2014 12:17:18 EST ID:+5oX0u2R No.11879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11850

it often makes it more clear what you are referring to exactly when you say "it"
depends on the language.
Is it necessary, no. is it useful? yes. considering how easy it is for kids to learn it anyway there is no reason not to have like 20 genders.. and there are some languages that have genders in the double digits
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Nathaniel Gerrysteck - Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:39:27 EST ID:4wV/INP8 No.11900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>8679
I wish we did. All this character, personality and individuality repulses me. It's disgustingly inefficient.


WRITTEN Language by Sidney Sinkinkare - Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:16:11 EST ID:24ygmyw9 No.11555 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Native Hindi and English speaker here . However I am learning the north Indian script . I can read Urdu - which is mutually intelligible but uses Arabic alphabet .

So got to thinking . Even tho i only speak 2 languages i can read 4 scripts : Latin Greek Arab Devnagar

So what spoken languages and what scripts are you fluent and what you want to learn ? Aside from the above I know a little spanish and franch but nowhere near fluent. As far as writing chinese interests me .
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Archie Nagglechad - Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:40:41 EST ID:XvPUcrbo No.11750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11555
In high school, I learned the Korean alphabet. Not the language. Just the alphabet. I've since forgotten it. But it's by far the coolest alphabet.

Each symbol is a syllable. Unlike japanese, each symbol is actually composed of letters from their alphabet. It's a pretty awesome concept.
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Archie Nagglechad - Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:44:54 EST ID:XvPUcrbo No.11751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11750
Oh yeah, it's just 24 letters. So it's comparable to latin/cyrillic alphabets in complexity, but it looks dope like chinese/japanese characters.
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Albert Gaggledale - Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:23:07 EST ID:Wrogz3dW No.11754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11555
I am trying to learn Japanese kanji, plus their hiragana & katakana scripts..

Good luck with Urdu, OP!
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David Pumblesurk - Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:29:15 EST ID:b4qeTsnA No.11812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
im dyslexic
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Shitting Niggerdale - Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:53:38 EST ID:GqsP0ZtK No.11858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11812
I would be interested to know how a dyslexic manages with japanese writing! My friend said ages ago that it's not a problem in Japan, so their literacy is way higher than the UK.


Blah is the langauge of...... by Martha Gossleville - Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:46:24 EST ID:4+ObrLLz No.8949 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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As languages are sometimes associcated with nouns, Like french is the language of love, (well that is the only one i know) or italien is the language of music, german of philosophy!
Then wat are languages (in particular Farsi, if ye know) or any langauge at all?
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HakktV2 - Sat, 05 Jul 2014 21:22:44 EST ID:q5wzgHyy No.11519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11517
Lol yes @Russian (that feel when your ex girlfriend is a cold blooded motherfucking chick)
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Basil Ginkinham - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 14:51:00 EST ID:lRWJgASq No.11520 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lithuanian is the language of elves
Hungarian is the language of orcs
Portuguese is a sinister language
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Esther Dindlewidge - Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:37:06 EST ID:F8xE90or No.11663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Danish is the language of incomprehensible drunks
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moxie !QvI1p9.OFY - Sat, 15 Nov 2014 18:03:08 EST ID:avmU74pl No.11856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11520
no, lithuanian is the language of stoic assholes
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Emma Cubberhall - Sun, 16 Nov 2014 00:17:12 EST ID:RYQ9LXTa No.11857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Japanese is the language of romance. Why? Because my japanese teacher said so.

And english is the language of nouns. Because other languages use the word "substantive".


help by Phineas Mabberhot - Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:13:24 EST ID:NSiA5J4q No.11560 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm not a native English speaker and I want to start reading English novels but i'm afraid of not being able to read some of its words, especially the vowel words that seem like they have the short vowel sound but in reality the vowels or some are long.
How do you guys figure this out?
Are they rules?
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Emma Gablingspear - Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:20:56 EST ID:mgnE7JTe No.11838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just watch a bunch of cartoons

i recommend samurai jack
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Eliza Demmleford - Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:53:31 EST ID:RYQ9LXTa No.11853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>11829
Out of curiosity, are you a native english speaker?

I've always wondered if people who speak english natively "see" or "understand" those different pronouciations. For someone like me, who uses english as a foreign language, they are very apparent. But I'm not so sure if it is so for those whose mother tongue is english. (Especially if they don't speak other languages...)
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CrazyFolksTribe !loJSOMZg0g - Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:13:12 EST ID:p/0MewD3 No.11854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11853
Yes, I'm a native English speaker. I don't really see or understand the pronunciations; I just "speak" the words inside my head as I read them so I can hear the different pronunciations.
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Eliza Demmleford - Sat, 15 Nov 2014 17:58:57 EST ID:RYQ9LXTa No.11855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11854
Thanks for the reply. I guess that's something that also comes with fluency, since I don't really have to think about the different rules (or deviances) either. I have just memorized everything phonetically. But it's still very apparent how "illogical" english can be at times, when I only merely look at the words.
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Cyril Semblehedge - Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:26:25 EST ID:xLdweCCV No.11870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11838
this, but it can be any american (or british, i don't know what you want) media. just be sure to use subtitles, they are a must.
the correct answer is the simpsons though


Looking for a few honorable Klingons for linguistics research by [email protected] - Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:58:23 EST ID:riuwJDLT No.11845 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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(X-POST /1701/

Looking for a few volunteers from all linguistic backgrounds- anyone with a decent microphone. Read from a deck of flash cards 5 times and you're done. I haven't completely designed the deck just yet, but I don't expect it to be too long, and it'll be a mix of single words and short phrases- all utterances common in Klingon.
It's not paid (like most good research work should be) but for those interested, I can follow up with the final product (something like 10 pages?). This paper will hopefully mark the end of my academic career, so, Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!


Learning Mandarin by George Snodway - Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:19:18 EST ID:03QHJwUF No.11757 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello, is there a site similar to duolingo.com that I can use to learn to speak Mandarin?

(I am just trying to learn conversation and pinyin, learning the characters is quite an undertaking)
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cursive !M6R0eWkIpk - Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:27:26 EST ID:29HOrGFb No.11762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>11757
yellowbridge dot com
byki dot com
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Nigger Ginkinway - Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:02:05 EST ID:YpxqR+QJ No.11782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11757

ChinaPod, though it used to be free, it is now paid I believe.
Not that you couldn't find it.. somewhere.. \

Happy learning. Wo xi huan ni de shuo hua

Wo ye zai xue xi zhong wen, danshi wo bu hue kan de dong characters..
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Graham Hoshbury - Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:17:57 EST ID:dJPTibKY No.11803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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hskflashcards com is pretty good if you decide to learn some characters.
This is a pretty slow board so might as well make it /mandarin/ since there are never threads for it on /int/

Ni hao!
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Sophie Dimmerlock - Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:53:36 EST ID:wHm1akGe No.11818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11757
我也再学习中文。 你可以看节目《舌尖上的中国》和《爸爸去哪儿》
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Martin Clungermadge - Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:36:40 EST ID:mgnE7JTe No.11819 Ignore Report Quick Reply
NI HAO, WO HUE JONG WEN!

SHAO SHIN I DIEN!

BU HAO ISSU!

MEI SHUR, ZAI JIEN!

thats what ive learned so far


I Need Immersion by Zaku Kashaku - Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:59:23 EST ID:GZrW1Uha No.11737 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Please help me find japanese audio tracks of just people talking. nothing more. thanks in advance!
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Rebecca Niggerhall - Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:58:15 EST ID:Z1v+SCTB No.11738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
look up radio dramas

or turn on anime and don't watch it
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Reuben Challyspear - Sun, 21 Sep 2014 14:55:30 EST ID:qqFv6N96 No.11746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/furi-kuri-flcl-original-soundtrack-2-pirate-king

this has some dramas "dorama" if you ever translate it please tell me what they're saying
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Rebecca Blumbledadge - Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:24:26 EST ID:j4Qk1zGk No.11778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watch NHK and anime with subtitles
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Isabella Narringson - Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:32:17 EST ID:qBI904is No.11779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look up whatever interests you in Japanese in iTunes, then hit up podcasts. You'll be set for years with how much free content there is. Also, you don't need to switch to the Japanese iTunes store to search podcasts since they're all free.
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Cornelius Cettingsotch - Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:44:56 EST ID:qqFv6N96 No.11804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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http://qvc.jp/cont/live/Main?serverId=8
and we can't stop and we won't stop


Korean & Japanese or Korean v. Japanese by Nathaniel Brookspear - Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:11:26 EST ID:jJy382Y2 No.11787 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm trying to get my life together after many months of idle alcoholism. I've basically been on an extended gap year. And I am wondering if it is worth the time to take Korean and Japanese together for business and cultural purposes. Or just one language.

I already know enough French,German,and Spanish to travel or if need be enough to practice and become fluent enough to conduct business. So should I study both Japanese and Korean for the winter semester since I would be going to class everyday in a condensed amount of time. Or just one.

I live in Los Angeles and there is a huge Korean Community and a sizeable Japanese community.
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Basil Snodhood - Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:30:29 EST ID:Z1v+SCTB No.11788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll give every bit of advice I can, but my experience with Korean is mostly academic and impersonal.



They have very... tense relations. Not that that should matter.

Both languages are drastically unlike French, Spanish, or German, though the phonologies and grammars are a little like the mixed.

They're at similar difficulty levels, though Korean is just a little harder. They have very similar grammars, similar phonotactics, and similar pitch/stress/timing patterns, but they have different phonologies; Japanese is like a simpler Spanish, but Korean has a lot more, including altaic vowels (an ö and ü broken into we and üi, an unrounded u, which to be fair is the default allophone of /u/ in Japanese). Japanese has a very rigid 5 vowel system, but Korean has a 7 vowel system where the near open vowels have slid to more close positions. Korean has 3 rows of stop consonants - ptk and bdg like us, but also a set of tense consonants in the places of ptk too where you tighten your throat. (graphically, <pp><tt><kk> and the non-stop <ss>; eg dal means moon, tal means mask, and ttal means daughter). Korean even has traces of vowel harmony, but that's simple enough.

Writing systems add a whole bunch of difficulty points back to Japan, evening things out. Korean uses an alphabet like ours, except the syllables are scrunched up into blocks. Chinese characters are used only very rarely now in SK, usually in scientific things to distinguish homographs (like boohoo tear and shred tear). There's usually 1:1 correspondence spelling wise; their alphabet, and thus their writing system, was historically put down but today championed as a writing system you could learn in a day.

Japan on the other hand uses a syllabary, where each "letter" represents one whole unique syllable (it's simpler phonology, though, means this isn't quite as crazy as it would be for English or even Korean). Except it doesn't just use one syllabary, it uses 2. And to top that off, it uses Chinese characters unsparingly, so you have to know those. There's some patterns you can gleam from the Chinese-derived pronunciations of the characters (oh yeah, there's usually two, often more pronunciations of the characters), but because Japan evolved independently, most of the characters have no patterns whatsoever to their pronunciations. You really have to suck it up and memorize.

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Martin Nattingstone - Sun, 19 Oct 2014 01:16:57 EST ID:RTil2obd No.11792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just a hobby/academically go for it, they are difficult and will consume a lot of time. I did a year of Japanese in college and have since forgotten most of it, the 3 alphabets thing didn't really bother fsr it just kinda clicked with me, because only certian types of words are spelled with a certain alphabet.

Both culture are extraordinarily xenophobic and your chances of living/working there are basically zero, but being so isolated they produce a ton of their own media, no I'm not just talking about anime, so you'll have lots of ways to absorb the language/culture.


Uploding Latin course. by Thomas Trotville - Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:32:53 EST ID:fGC+CkpF No.11610 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello, /lang/. Are any of you interested in learning Latin? I've been recently cleaning out my house and stumbled upon some of my old Latin textbooks. If any of you want, I can put all the information into a pastebin to share with you all.
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Sun, 24 Aug 2014 01:09:43 EST ID:6gimAog7 No.11626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11610

Sounds great OP.
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Thom Yorke - Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:48:58 EST ID:f9IhLl1l No.11639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And then OP never delivered
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Edwin Fisslelin - Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:38:46 EST ID:zDy+3X47 No.11747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Your thread makes Caesar die.
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Jenny Desslehood - Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:02:11 EST ID:ix0FBFjU No.11786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Interested here, but WHERE IS OP
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Charlotte Femmlegold - Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:44:55 EST ID:Z1v+SCTB No.11797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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