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pushing south by cursive - Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:04:29 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11299 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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was recently in mexico. first time in the 2nd world. i learned a lot about what it means to be an american and now im so sick i can barely sleep. spanish is becoming my first language these days.
Can anyone talk to me about central america and the general equitorial area of same and south america?

my spanish is a wierd pidgin of espagna, puerto rico, SW USA and now Yucatan, but i want to be more natural as i head south.

These language tag youtube videos are... idk the latin american/carribean related ones are full of xenophobic infighting that spill over into Noreños and Surreños and mexican.
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Hamilton Pengerchatch - Mon, 12 May 2014 15:34:05 EST ID:t+Bi15u9 No.11368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You realize both of these countries are extremely violent. If anything, Nicaragua is a safe bet.
Ebenezer Lightshit - Mon, 12 May 2014 17:09:06 EST ID:vnCJt5Hl No.11369 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mexico isn't "second world", it's "third world". "Second world" countries are countries like China and Cuba.

of course, the whole "first world", "second world", and "third world" thing is basically meaningless ever since the end of the cold war.
Ebenezer Lightshit - Mon, 12 May 2014 17:12:10 EST ID:vnCJt5Hl No.11370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, the best country in Central America is Costa Rica.

Costa Rica has a decent standard of living for the middle class, which is pretty big. It also has a lot of natural beauty.

But it is expensive as fuck if you want anything even vaguely approximating a US American lifestyle.

You want a disposable camera? Be prepared to spend a few hours looking at a half dozen shops before finding one, and don't be surprised when it's $30.

You want canvas sneakers? Hope you have a C note to exchange at the bank.

Also if you're into video games, bring your system from home because game systems are insanely expensive in Latin America and hardly any stores even carry them.
CrazyFolksTribe !loJSOMZg0g - Mon, 12 May 2014 19:27:35 EST ID:zzXo8E69 No.11372 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Some parts of Mexico are second world, some are more third. The country as a whole still has a long way to go but it's gradually getting more worldly and unimporverished.
CrazyFolksTribe !loJSOMZg0g - Mon, 12 May 2014 19:28:13 EST ID:zzXo8E69 No.11373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't even think it's a word but I spelled it wrong

Korean by Wesley Gaffingchit - Sun, 27 Apr 2014 14:06:26 EST ID:fARQ5kmN No.11300 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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안녕하세요, 420chan. 저는 한국어를 공부해요. 한국어 말해요?
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:20:11 EST ID:BZL5XxYY No.11303 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This is actually why it's good to divorce your thinking from romanisations as fast as possible. Helps you focus on the actual sound being made and less on how you would read the romanisation of it. Same main reason people should never touch ローマ字 in Japanese until after they've become conformatable with the kana.
Hamilton Honeyhood - Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:14:40 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I red something a while ago that was a really nifty explanation for things, but I kan't find it on me right now. Iirc it was something like

the horizontal stroke seems to be "dark" vowels (Korean used to be more like Manchu, Mongolian, Turkish with vowel harmony though probably unrelated). If it's Over it's O. if it's Under it's... oo, I guess?

Then the vertical is the bright ones like "In front of" (i) or something and the After (a). don't quite remember. But I know double strokes make ai, ei or ou, uu, idk. and regular diphthongs are created predictably (eg oi or ao). I forget how the Altaic vowels were written (ö and ı, which I think iirc are oe and eu).

Hamilton Honeyhood - Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:19:34 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also quickly adding, the first Korean romanization system was made by a guy who didn't know any latin-written language and made the system according to a misunderstanding of how western vowels were written, and when it came time for Korea to pick an official method they stuck with it purposefully because it fucked with westerner's abilities to learn the language. Only minor variations exist between North and South, they both keep to that system despite a large number of more scientific or intuitive systems being proposed.
Hamilton Honeyhood - Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:45:15 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Found it!!! disregard my attempts at explaining the pronunciation, in school I only had to learn the alphabet's history for when I was dealing with it.
Maury V. - Mon, 12 May 2014 15:21:54 EST ID:Hd4I8QkM No.11367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
안녕! 나, 저는 공부했어요. 한국에서 훠있어요. 미아, 한굴말 잘멋무합니다. :(

lil poem by Rebecca Wovinghall - Tue, 06 May 2014 04:06:16 EST ID:zWxdUGqx No.11348 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm Dr Jekyll, and Mr Hyde, the doc ain't in right now, he may as well have died, some might say murder, some say suicide, I say heartbreak because she lied.
I wanted love, not for me but for that slut, so she could love herself and keep her legs shut, she doesn't get it, I wonder if she ever will, one thing's for certain, I will not love her still.
I'm so sick of this being how the world works, so many sluts only chasing jerks, leaving the realest going berserk, the games are easy but immature, I'm sick of playing, I just want to be sure. I want something real, I need her to feel like I feel, but she won't, her hearts cold like steel.. In the winter.
cursive - Tue, 06 May 2014 12:27:11 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11350 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i never lie. neither does my ex partner. she is having trouble finding love without lies now. i know that love is a drug and i love it when im high, when im crashing off oxytocin i get my carebear, my dildo, my god damned razor blade and change my skin tone though.

this is for you. thanks for sharing your hurt, but yo, let it go. what are you really looking for? be happy and smoosh with happy people while you both can.

if you want to give what someone wants to get that's good. if that person wants to give what you wanna get, then that's love.

Phyllis Dartwell - Tue, 06 May 2014 23:46:33 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
heres my friends

Hong Kong Hmong Xiong Maiblong used the tongs with prongs to pick up the long song of pong champ Ron Wong about dongs thongs and bongs until the strong maybe Zhuong Aung Nagong Fong songed a gong to tell her she was wrong.

he dunno how 2 poetry
cursive - Sat, 10 May 2014 10:08:44 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
theres that mandarin(?) one thats like 50 characters long and it's all differently toned Shi
about like a lion in a cave or something

and the the one about pi pi pi pi i forget

new world order of languages by Edward Bunwater - Sun, 04 May 2014 21:49:31 EST ID:hUPsbMgy No.11341 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The English language is just a mish mash of other white honky langages, thats why they call it the mashed potato johnson of all langages, man spellign is hard the rulz is weird and there are no gender differential words like "he" or "she" or "bitch" so how am i supolosed to know whos on first or whats what. i want us all to speak some other langauge, not spainish cuz i take that in high school and that shit fucked up my brain son, it was all like china did dim di cmibong, like dafuq. and not chinese because that sound like a bunch of pots and pans rolling down a hill, when i learnt to spaek china man talk i sayed ni how, yeah thats hello bitches, said in moon speak. what ideas do you people have for a world o language, i say we make it up, we just make it up and dont tell anyone, ok lets do it...
Shitting Fanhall - Mon, 05 May 2014 07:31:37 EST ID:JWfHUhIZ No.11343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
cool story bro

every language (at least the ones that matter) has borrowed words from other languages.

english is still a purely germanic language in the way it forms sentences. take a foreign word, like karaoke, and you can make a verb out of it, karaokeize. I karaokeized that faggot.
cursive - Tue, 06 May 2014 12:23:17 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the world is pidgin poop. languages are easy and we dont need one world language.
i beefed with an italian chick over this 13 years 4 months and 27 days ago and i finally got it once i ended america's xenophobic stranglehold on my language center.

every day it becomes more and more clear.. even two people using their native tongue have misconceptions.

twinspeak is really the closest thing to communication one can get and if you dont have a twin just take dxm and smoosh yourfaces together.

Tongues / Glossolalia by cursive - Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:19:19 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11325 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone here have it? My old [email protected]#$%^ing insane boyfriend used to speak it and obviously i do too. I call it Traumeri Tongue, or The Language of Demons & Angels.

Recently I've been shouting words i didn't know in other languages when i train muay thai/kickboxing/wu-tang/shaloin and then i realized i was subconsciously shouting HADOUKEN, SHORYUKEN, SAGAT, and forgive me but, HET SAGAT BEROUKEN?

LIKE I KNOW THAT'S STREET FIGHTER BUT I REFUSE TO BELIEVE TO caps sorry i refuse to believe that fkn street fighter characters shout nonsense.
Nicholas Clemblefuck - Sat, 03 May 2014 21:35:47 EST ID:gTTjGEaT No.11334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it basically "free writing" but speaking?
cursive - Sun, 04 May 2014 11:51:59 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11339 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yea, sort of. but in a made up language. it will occasionally conform to different gramatical/syntactical structures and use roots from my language bases.
Graham Dorrybury - Sun, 04 May 2014 12:53:00 EST ID:YCqAN8Xm No.11340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Those terms in street fighter aren't 'nonsense', they're the names they give the attacks. Hadouken means wave fist, and shoryuken means rising dragon fist.

I do wonder what your fellow martial artists are thinking when you shout those things.
cursive - Sat, 10 May 2014 10:12:20 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thanks for those translations. i never suspected they were nonsense but i don't shit about japanese really.

i don't have fellow martial artists, i'm a ronin.

french question by Albert Humblenitch - Sun, 04 May 2014 01:36:32 EST ID:JWfHUhIZ No.11335 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So when there are 2 verbs together in a sentence, does the 2nd verb take the infinitive form? For example, peux faire (can make, peux is the first person singular of pouvoir, while faire is the infinitive)
Cyril Pittdale - Sun, 04 May 2014 06:31:19 EST ID:XkRRVvN/ No.11336 Ignore Report Quick Reply

i don't speak French but I would bet money on the answer being yes because that is how it is in English, Spanish and Czech
Cyril Pittdale - Sun, 04 May 2014 06:31:40 EST ID:XkRRVvN/ No.11337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
oh.. and catalan
Graham Dorrybury - Sun, 04 May 2014 07:41:03 EST ID:YCqAN8Xm No.11338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Je peux faire is indeed correct. Of course you don't always use the infinitve but sometimes the past participle for example. But that probably wasn't really your question. It's pretty similar to english as Cyril said.
Nigel Wuckleshit - Mon, 05 May 2014 02:40:24 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not that it's that useful unless doing mass translation stuff:

Rule of thumb: languages will do that when they have subordinate clauses instead of stacking phrases. The specific rule is if the language prohibits multiple verbs of the same tense to be part of the same clause.

Chinese technically doesn't, but it's hard to tell because the verbs don't change their form. Japanese doesn't either, though you can tell with it, and the same is true of Mongolian Thai Korean and bunch of other languages.

Indo European languages use the tenseless infinitive, so do the Dravidian languages of South India.

There's a deeper logic behind it, going back to what is actually known about what universal grammar there is. Doing the verb stacking thing puts a lot of pressure on arrangement of the arguments, but some languages have more agreement rendering it redundant. Things exist in multiple states but generally less marked tend towards the stacking thing while more marked tends the other way. But's its more complicated than that.

germanic by Adolf Hitler - Thu, 01 May 2014 22:57:40 EST ID:PE8s70rS No.11330 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello /lang/

American here, speak english and farsi fluently since i was taught them very young, took german in high school for 4 years as well as teaching myself it to get ahead through music, movies, stories on the internet. I would say I am quite proficient but not fluent since there is always more to learn.

I want to learn a germanic/european language, I am conflicted between these 3:

Polish (is this considered germanic?)

Which would be best for me to learn given my current lang set? My main motivation is for the challenge and since I know german pretty well, maybe i could get a bit of a jump start with one of these languages.

Also on topic with Danish, since it is similar to Norwegian or Swedish, would it be more beneficial to learn one those instead to speak Danish or just stick with Danish.

Thanks in advance
Ian Lightson - Fri, 02 May 2014 06:12:19 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Polish is Slavic. It's like Czech, Slovak, or Sorbian, or to a far different degree, sorta like Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, or even Macedonian, Bulgarian, or the things that Serbian is a part of. It's also maybe the hardest of all the Slavic languages to learn, in part because it's highly "conservative" (it's more basal and keeps a lot of the defining irregularities of the other Slavic languages).

Dutch is like halfway between Modern German and Old English - not Early Modern English of the Bible or Middle English of Chaucer but the old English of Beowulf (ie HWAET we Gar-dena, in gear-dagum, theod-cyninga þrym gefrunon...).

But its MUCH more like Modern German than either; Dutch is almost mutually intelligible with German, which is to say they can almost be understood by each other without the other really learning anything about them. Dutch is also kinda Frenchy - it's usually nasally and has more French words that German. It insists even harder than German on the uvular Parisian r.

Dutch also kinda buys you Afrikaans if you ever want to go to former Dutch Africa.

Danish is North Germanic - it's completely unintelligible from the rest, but German has areas where it gradually becomes Danish like it does with Dutch. But the language is relatively very different from German. It's benefit to English is English has a bunch (but not a whole lot) of words borrowed from what you can call the immediate ancestor of Danish, Swedish, and Icelandic.

Danish buys you about half of Norway, the standard languages being close enough in writing and speaking that they usually get treated as one language by companies. It kinda buys you the less standard Norwegian and maybe Swedish too, in the same way German buys you most of Dutch. Note that there's still a lot of differences, it's not like you just get it for free.

Polish has limited use, but businesses like it because Poland got the economic shock after the collapse of the Polish People's Republic. But I say again it hard.
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The Neuter Case auf Duetsch by cursive - Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:05:42 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11324 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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neuter case in german linguistics; the gender of nouns is not random but it's cultural. das Kind is neuter because before puberty, children are really neither. That's why jolly african-americans piece their baby daughters ears, cause it cements their gender but... it hurts non-conforming or gay children as they grow up. Same with circumcision.

Getting into this mindset has helped me understand german literally fluently with regards to conjugation and nomitive, dative and accusative cases.. and now i think genitive but we never covered that by design with meine leherinen.

Western NY had some great german teachers in the state system.

Saratoga County had some fantastic ones as well in public schools.
see also: jeopardy one of the teachers was on there.

When you were a kid, did you have an interest in learning new languages? by Whitey Sessleworth - Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:30:11 EST ID:gHx4mwfM No.11073 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If so, was this interest encouraged and facilitated by your parents/guardians, or did they not really take an interest in it?

I was all about languages as a kid, but no one took this desire seriously. I feel like I could have gained tremendous leverage if my family had taken my drive to learn new languages seriously.

How about you?

Also, will you teach your kids new languages, if you have kids?
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William Chinderbodging - Sun, 20 Apr 2014 18:45:30 EST ID:CGb0mvw5 No.11274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I will force them to accept the idea of being bilingual as a must If I'll have to.
Like a GOOD mother fucking parent.
Nigel Suddletudging - Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:03:05 EST ID:+0AEOoiD No.11277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>jian, means control, and du 督 looks very similar to kan, 看 which means look or see, so I would hypothesize that these characters have some archaic connection.

the connection is pretty simple, as both characters contain the character/radical 目, meaning eye. 督 is a phonetic/meaning combo character where the top half 叔, pronounced shū, provides the phonetic clue, while the bottom half provides the clue to the meaning. 看 is a meaning/meaning style character (or arguably just a straight pictograph.) Taken from Wenlin:
>手 (shǒu) a hand covering 目 (mù) an eye for shade, so one can see clearly.
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actively discouraged, and yet grew up reading tolkien with bio dad and watching indiana jones. no one in my entire family can speak anything but very proper english, once my grandfather died. Oh that's nto true, bio mother and family are american sign language gods, but they hated their deaf parents for it. guess they were looked at as cripples' kids in the 50s : /
say that. please. mi vecina's son is growing up with english, spanish and armenian. older half sister barely knows spanish. she was doing french in her elementary and we sort of decided id take the whole family out for like ice cream and stuff if she could count to 10 in english spanish and french by summer.
once the magic is gone, kids kinda wall off other languages :'(
NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:31:41 EST ID:BZL5XxYY No.11305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When I entered high school, I wanted to learn Latin something terrible. My parents were hugely supportive, well my dad was, my mother never said anything about it. But there was never an opportunity to learn it. I went to a conservative, Catholic private school for the first two years of high-school, and even they didn't offer Latin, and they did not try and support me in my quest to learn it.

I still want to learn Latin even now.

As to whether I want to teach my child languages. Abso-fucking-lutely. I actually plan to speak to my child in a variety of language depending what day it is. So for instance, Tuesday might be Japanese day, Thursday might be Korean day, Sunday might be Latin day, etc. I'm not too worried about this being an issue, even babies can learn sign-language, and contrary to what people expectted, it made them MORE adept at learning spoken language, not less so, so I have no fear that running a multilingual household will stunt my child in whatever language they need to speak in their country of birth.
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HOW caps on earth did a catholic school not teach latin? call the pope. lol not funny though.

ever hear of ~Low-Gothic? Kind of like a pidgeon Latin as I hear it. It's basically like doctor/dentist speak, if that makes sense. I can roll some of that with you.

I love the language week thing. remember in indian jones 3 where his dad makes him count to 10 and he's like... no no henry, in greek?

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spanish by Charles Fusslepare - Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:08:56 EST ID:UuZDX9ql No.11245 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Tell me why spanish is a wonderful language. I hate to admit it but it sounds disgusting and i don't get why people "love" it. Even though i admire every single language in the world spanish just doesn't cut it. Occitan, portuguese, french, occitan, italian are all beautiful languages to me. I guess media really did deliver in ruining my picture about the country and it's culture
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Doris Brondlefield - Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:19:30 EST ID:Vk7qwzzd No.11251 Ignore Report Quick Reply
if you think this sounds ugly you are a fucking moron, end of story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R52iNrFKUSw

Spanish accents from Spain are mostly awful: people talk from the back of their throat or from their nose. But South Americans have made the bastard language beautiful
Fuck Hinnerway - Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:07:24 EST ID:gFuCxB/D No.11272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm not particularly fond of that bastard language either, nor of Cortazar's reciting, but I am of good poetry, thanks for that post.
Cedric Fanfield - Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:08:58 EST ID:oHL5a0UH No.11276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When I actually knew spanish, I found the vowel sounds "pure", like the "o" sound is always "o", and it originates from deeper in the throat then most english "o" sounds.
Seconding Victor Jara, and this guy
Beatrice Cleblingledging - Tue, 22 Apr 2014 23:31:49 EST ID:yjFWc2f+ No.11283 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's the case for most Romance Languages.
cursive - Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:51:11 EST ID:wVsBYtdh No.11295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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well, cause after english/american and chinese, it's the third most uyseful language and spoke pretty much all over the w hemisphere. so there's that.

respect your opinion but ive never had anyone with less nuts posture at me harder than the french and quebeqois (sp?)
people think german sounds barbaric or faggy but i find it to enchant me. perspective on culture helps in all things.

Gamified language learning resources by Polly Bardlock - Sun, 20 Apr 2014 18:16:48 EST ID:7CStOX/Q No.11273 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm highly susceptible to gaming addiction, and I've used it to my advantage in the past. I used DuoLingo to learn German on my own in high school, and I learned what turned out to be a year's worth of university level German in about 5 months. I've been going strong since then and I'm getting closer and closer to fluency.

But I want to learn other languages! I find the initial phase of learning a language to be pretty dull, but a system like DuoLingo helped me blow through it for German. Sadly they only offer four other languages. I really would like to learn Norwegian, but I can't seem to find any sort of points-based language learning program with Norwegian that isn't shit. Rosetta Stone is decent, but they don't have Norwegian.

Can anyone recommend anything like this?
Albert Drondleford - Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:25 EST ID:Z133nyOZ No.11289 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm always looking to use this method with teaching myself Chinese. I've actually started using Duolingo for German too but I'm sure I could benefit with some more "authentic" materials (media designed for native users).

For my Mandarin, I have downloaded a ton of old SNES rom games translated to Chinese. Since I've played the shit out of them, I know what the dialogue is about and I can quickly adapt new characters into my vocab. Comic books are also another great resource as they have a pictorial element which better illustrates the plot.

I recommend going to a site that has more Norwegian/English concentration (good luck) and hunting for resources. Also just having a hard nose for it on google.
NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Fri, 25 Apr 2014 03:36:47 EST ID:VKUrAz63 No.11290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
HabitRPG.com (gamify anything essentially)
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forgive me but isn't there a Basshunter song about DOTA in swedish? Don't know the history of that game per se, but swedish is close enough to noreigian that you may be able to track something down that scandinavia is into.
had a fanboi from sweden who is/was super into warcraft.

how's chinese going for you? was skeptical til you said you were playing old SNES games. Assuming you know the stories of those games well enough to help you. Chinese is SO contextual with so many homonyms (not to mention getting from written to tonal pronounciation is preeeeetty much impossible unless they use pinyin in text bubbles.

i played FFV on a rom YEARRRRRRRRRRS ago. long enough ago that i had to presume it was translated from japanese. there were lots of one word answers that just said "(Context Needed)"
i knew nothing abotu asia back then and only mandarin in parts now so assuming japanese is only based on final fantasy 5 being ~superfamicon only back then

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