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tips for learning the arabic alphabet by Phyllis Chongerridge - Wed, 13 May 2015 23:30:03 EST ID:KJu4J5EH No.12125 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey, begun trying to learn Arabic. Like..just begun..

Anyone have any tips on how to learn the alphabet? I've just been trying to memorize by writting it repeatedly but I've enver tried learning a language with a different script before.

Any experiences, suggestions, tips.

Thanks,
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Hugh Pibblestare - Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:09:15 EST ID:KsPrOkxW No.12214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>12125
A great textbook that I use is Al-kitaab (currently in its third edition) for grammar and Alif Baa for the letters.
I know that you can get Arabic lessons at some Mosques. They usually have signs up saying that they're offering. Other than that, I recommend al-minaahil. It's basically Egyptian sesame street.
The letters aren't so hard to remember. Just use them very often and make sure there's someone who can check your work and correct all of the misconceptions you are going to develop.
The real challenge is gaining the ability to spell what you hear. This is harder than it sounds because Arabic contains more phonemes than English.
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Hugh Pibblestare - Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:19:31 EST ID:KsPrOkxW No.12215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12129
And as for writing, a general rule of thumb is to move your pen from right to left. If you're drawing a round character, start at the top, move clockwise and then connect it once it's closed.
For a kaf appearing before the end of the word, just draw the bottom half first, finish the word, and add the crooked end when you finish writing the word. Kind of like how we cross t's and dot i's in english cursive.
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Phineas Genderdale - Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:45:24 EST ID:7jL83XJW No.12217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12199
"محمد هوَ نبيٌ كاذب و مؤلف يتظاهر بالتقوى"
Best sentence i can think of. Simple means "Mohamed is a False Prophet, fictional author, and pretends to be pious".
All the Arabic in this thread is Classical or Fusha Arabic. Some diacritics are essential in conveying what you are trying to say but Its a lot easier to study than standard Arabic and most of the Arabic literary body is written in that format.
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Angus Snodwell - Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:17:21 EST ID:mb8MeEfM No.12380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12125

Arabic has a phonetic alphabet, so just write out things in Arabic the way you'd pronounce them in English. I used to write out proper nouns like friends' names, businesses, or song titles. That should give you a good understanding of the sounds of the letters. Best of luck, and keep at it man. This is a great language that's worth learning.
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Betsy Pabblebere - Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:22:16 EST ID:zjqa2VHR No.12382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I know this thread just got revived from a month ago but if anyone is looking for decent videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RcgfyuBlz8
This chick helped me learn the alphabet


Mandarin by Archie Tootbury - Sat, 08 Aug 2015 07:37:42 EST ID:hPPfZi8Z No.12360 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Sup guys.
Got a question about relative clauses in Mandarin. So as far as I understand an adjective can be predicative like this:
那个女人很漂亮 (that woman is very beautiful)
or attributive like this
那个很漂亮的女人 (that very beautiful woman)

I wonder if the same thing goes for verbs:
那个女人吃饭 (that woman is eating [rice])
那个吃饭的女人 (that rice-eating woman, or that woman who is eating rice)

Do correct me if I made any mistake in my Chinese.
Just wanted to ask this because we've got a similar process in both Ainu and Japanese, wondered if it's the case for many languages around that (admittedly vast) area
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Ernest Niggerfuck - Sun, 09 Aug 2015 23:03:58 EST ID:mBxNyUf5 No.12363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i'm no chinese pro, but speak korean and some japanese


그 밥을 먹는 여자 (that rice-eating woman)
vs
그 여자 밥을 먹어 (that woman eats rice)
Just the same as in your chinese example, the word order changes to indicate the subject, and the predicate comes after. if the verb was attributive, it comes before the subject as a descriptor. i'm not sure if this is the "process" you're indicating, but if i recall correctly the same rule exists in japanese.

though tbh i plugged your sentences into google translate and i got "the woman eat" and "the meal woman" so compensating for how much it sucks, seems right enough to me ;D
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Ian Cammerford - Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:49:08 EST ID:hPPfZi8Z No.12364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12363
>i'm not sure if this is the "process" you're indicating
It sure is. I did think it would be the case in Korean too. It's interesting that you should point this out.
Yes, as a generativist I refer to such things as "processes". Generativists think of syntax as a process which maps "deep structures" (which might be joining a verb and a noun for instance) to "surface structures" like relative clauses and predications.

>though tbh i plugged your sentences into google translate and i got "the woman eat" and "the meal woman" so compensating for how much it sucks, seems right enough to me ;D
Maybe it is :-) ...
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Nigger Cidgeman - Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:52:46 EST ID:bumH6iVL No.12366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yoyoyo OP, I ain't know shit about grammar, but both statements about the woman eating are fine. Though 吃饭 doesn't really mean "eat rice" so much as just "eat food." If you really want to specify rice you should say 吃米饭.


соскив by Walter Crennerdale - Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:19:46 EST ID:TMjY54gu No.11075 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Howdy, /lang/. I was wondering if anyone knew a translation for "Вoлю зoлoту" in Ukrainian. From what I understand, Вoлю means freedom or will and зoлoту means gold, so I'm guessing it might mean golden freedom. Anyone know?
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Phoebe Gammlesare - Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:58:49 EST ID:Yl4D+dWG No.11089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
do you have a context of some kind?
those words are just on their own?
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noko - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:07:51 EST ID:ItcXqMx4 No.12329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11075
Apenas bumpando para o GET.
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Fuck Debblededge - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:08:15 EST ID:RfX1SS0n No.12330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12329
what?
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Archie Tootbury - Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:45:47 EST ID:hPPfZi8Z No.12358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11075
Where did you get this phrase? It's part of a larger sentence. It means "golden freedom".

>>12330
This same guy is replying to a whole load of threads in the hope of getting some particular post number
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Archie Tootbury - Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:54:03 EST ID:hPPfZi8Z No.12359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I meant it's NOT golden freedom.

>>12358
I see, it's from the refrain in the music on that youtube link.
Слaвтe, [...] Вoлю зoлoту.
Celebrate [...] free will.


BR is a mistake by Wade Davis - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:12:27 EST ID:RfX1SS0n No.12346 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Brazil is a third world shithole please die
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Albert Bardshaw - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 20:59:40 EST ID:BDA11n53 No.12357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you fucking nerd
..: u will never make sex in ur life
..: while in brazil i have sex 30 times each day at carnaval


get by br - Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:24:30 EST ID:msf7ynKk No.12270 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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posta aqui e muito dificil mas vamos tentar o get assim mesmo posta aqui e muito dificil mas vamos tentar o get assim mesmo posta aqui e muito dificil mas vamos tentar o get assim mesmo posta aqui e muito dificil mas vamos tentar o get assim mesmo posta aqui e muito dificil mas vamos tentar o get assim mesmo posta aqui e muito dificil mas vamos tentar o get assim mesmo posta aqui e muito dificil mas vamos tentar o get assim mesmo
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Samuel Hommerwig - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:14:09 EST ID:UNzIE8yJ No.12353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12345
PAU
NO
SEU
CU
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Rebecca Tootbury - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:14:16 EST ID:RDlO0oR0 No.12354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12345
Que desperdício. Seu inútil do caralho.
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John Drillerpot - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:14:29 EST ID:QDQSC81F No.12355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12345
vai toma ano seu cu, viado do caralho pegando a foda fora
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Abiloaldo Ferreira - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:59:03 EST ID:Qc6/wmvS No.12356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>12345
É muita macaquice.
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E Um Filho !loJSOMZg0g - Sun, 09 Aug 2015 02:43:12 EST ID:SpupB4UU No.12362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>12345
OKAY YOU BRAZILIAN FUCKWADS, YOU GOT THE POST NUMBERED 12345. HOORAY. BRAZIL IS THE BEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. PORTUGUESE IS THE BEST LANGUAGE EVER INVENTED. YOU WIN. FUTEBOL PARA TODOS. now fuck off with your dumb fake Spanish


Spanish to Portuguese by Ian Mummerbotch - Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:54:54 EST ID:48iE+eos No.11823 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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quick question for you guys. I'm aware that romatic language grammar structures are quite similar, but are they basically identical, just with different words, verbsm and conjucations, or are there major grammatical differences between them, specifically Spanish and Portuguese.


I have spoken Spanish for nearly 3 years and have obtained a fairly high level of fluency and comprehension in the language, mostly because I have lived in a Spanish speaking country for the time. I like languages and would like to learn another, and figured Portuguese would be a language not all that different (I hear Italian is closer but I have more interest in Portuguese because of Brazil).

Issue is, I do not have a lot of time right now, and may be just an hour before bed. How similar are the two languages from a grammatic stand point?

Thanks.
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Reuben Cluddlechatch - Thu, 27 Nov 2014 00:01:40 EST ID:vcyAu2t7 No.11876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My parents study braziilan portuguese and spanish is their mother language. They say one of the most difficult things about portuguese is to avoid mixing both languages, as spanish might be very similar but it has some important differences, is common to make those mistakes until you master the language. Pronunciation is a little bit tricky too, some sounds are difficult to make and distinguish from others at least for spanish-speaking people.
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Molly Mezzledock - Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:15:37 EST ID:KJu4J5EH No.11902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11876
I am learning that right now. The pronunciation rules can be tricky with limited access to the language actually being spoken.

A lot more resources for Spanish than Portuguese it appears.
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Oliver Clinderway - Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:10:24 EST ID:aB6uAQ+j No.11930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11823

I've been learning Spanish about 5 years and I'm fluent. I've been learning Portuguese about a week and it's quite cool, I can already understand advanced texts. Oh but I can barely figure out what's going on in a basic news report on the radio. Even if it's a story I read about earlier that day.

Pronunciation is difficult and there are enough differences in grammar to surprise you occasionally.. but if you speak fluent Spanish and you think Portuguese is hard it's because you've never learned another language, at least not as an adult.

I would say it's a massive mistake to start learning Portuguese until you have an advanced level of Spanish unless you have to. I lived in Catalonia and I saw my friends who tried to learn Catalan when their Spanish was only intermediate struggle. They constantly made silly mistakes in Spanish, like writing "havía" instead of "había" or using Catalan words that sound Spanish, confusing which grammar rule was Catalan and which was Spanish.. If you wanna learn a language before you are fluent in Spanish then learn something from another family. German for example, it's much harder, but it won't fuck your Spanish to pieces.
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Lydia Dadgeshit - Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:30:51 EST ID:9hlFs5NV No.11996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Você tomará no cu intensamente com a pronúncia do português brasileiro. Sério, boa sorte.
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James Clayway - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:58:03 EST ID:uyEVv9RZ No.12312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I would say it's a massive mistake to start learning Portuguese
its very easy my brother all you have to do is speak chiado like xxx doix trex seix dex e ja faz sucesso com a mulecada tirando onda de favelado kkkk


Vietnamese Resources? by NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:18:54 EST ID:pVQtZPjw No.10020 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anybody got some good resources they use for Vietnamese?

Here's a few off the top of my head

Memrise: memrise.com
Quà Tặng Cuộc Sống: http://www.youtube.com/user/QuaTangCuocSong4U
Learn Vietnamese with Annie: http://www.youtube.com/user/AnnieVietnamese
Learn How to Speak Vietnamese: http://www.youtube.com/user/learnvietnamese
Uz-Translations: http://uz-translations.net/
My 'Basic Vietnamese' decks: Not yet released (soon I promise)
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noko - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:40:40 EST ID:ItcXqMx4 No.12292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>10020
Ih mané não entendo sua lingua não parça.


- Ale tu jest nawalone dezodorantem by Oliver Pongerbanks - Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:16:56 EST ID:Cl3WlYO5 No.10029 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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  • Sama się nawaliłaś dezodorantem
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noko - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:40:02 EST ID:ItcXqMx4 No.12290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>10029
Tendi nada tá em gringês.


Want your help, wordsmiths by Ian Blimblewig - Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:25:45 EST ID:KR0otAvU No.11859 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's the shortest, most powerful one syllable word you can come up with, original or not? For example "Tao" and "God" are short, unoriginal 'powerful' words and "Dog" is another short one syllable word. What words can you come up with?
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James Gadgewin - Sat, 01 Aug 2015 12:36:39 EST ID:nuyfZeIg No.12254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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David Bummerkure - Mon, 03 Aug 2015 11:02:00 EST ID:iedBLcjg No.12261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
BOH BOH BOH BRRRAP
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Chuj - Tue, 04 Aug 2015 17:10:02 EST ID:o7JJ3EeW No.12264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ul. Beehive in polish
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Jarvis Sunkinsat - Tue, 04 Aug 2015 19:54:41 EST ID:LAGTMvmi No.12265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11859
fag
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James Clayway - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:34:09 EST ID:uyEVv9RZ No.12284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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MEMES GET


How to pronounce: Ö & Ä? by James Cungerpore - Sat, 18 Jul 2015 02:41:31 EST ID:RYQ9LXTa No.12233 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Ever wondered how to pronounce those scandinavian letters Ä and Ö? Well here's how: BIRDMAN is essentially BÖÖRDMÄÄN. Hope that helps!
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CrazyFolksTribe !loJSOMZg0g - Tue, 04 Aug 2015 00:54:35 EST ID:292Qc8+2 No.12263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12262
Thanks for this; I knew there was a more accurate explanation of ё but I didn't bother to really learn it until now.
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Jarvis Sunkinsat - Tue, 04 Aug 2015 19:56:24 EST ID:LAGTMvmi No.12266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm danish born and I live in Sweden, even I cannot explain ö,ä, ø and æ
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Archie Sinkinbitch - Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:15:45 EST ID:W2NXF8Cu No.12267 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12266
lol.
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Archie Greenbury - Wed, 05 Aug 2015 01:18:59 EST ID:/hq3aXTW No.12268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>scandinavian letters
nigga what.
my language even has Ő. Also Ű. And Í. And Ó.
I'm not even scandinavian.
Get on my level.
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James Clayway - Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:32:52 EST ID:uyEVv9RZ No.12282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
EHHUEHUEHUEEHEHUEE


Spanish by Joseph Stalin - Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:21:57 EST ID:x4iOujrH No.12057 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What the best and easiest way to learn Spanish?
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Lillian Mamblehock - Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:44:37 EST ID:oUsHICCI No.12209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12208
Shut up nerd.
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Phyllis Nannerbuck - Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:41:17 EST ID:TEw5sPgq No.12221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are there any good spanish podcasts? What about chans?

>>12208
Good post.
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Phyllis Nannerbuck - Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:50:59 EST ID:TEw5sPgq No.12222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12221
>What about chans?
Nevermind about this. I'm sure they're as bad as english non-420 chans.

What are some good websites though?
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Hugh Shittingwater - Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:53:32 EST ID:cl5Y4l4K No.12231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12208

Rioplatense Spanish sounds hot and the girls will love it.
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Thomas Heddlelock - Sun, 02 Aug 2015 21:50:32 EST ID:1ETDvaV/ No.12260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>12221
I use Coffee Break Spanish, but it's more Castillian Spanish. They do a somewhat decent job of explaining pronunciation differences between Castillian and "Latin American" Spanish and it's certainly better than nothing. Personally, I got more out of just downloading Pimsleur.


writing a short story in a foreign language by Hugh Begglenat - Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:31:08 EST ID:PGQjFfMj No.12240 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello, group.
In the last three years, i began to write profusely in English, my natural language being french.
However, i know that i have not reached t complete fluency in writing yet,
Could you read an excerpt of the following story and make judgement on my english skills ? I have been told that i am not better than google translate and this seems a bit excessive... But on the other hand, i know i am not perfect.

Let you be the judge.

http://writeessaysandphilo.blogspot.pt/
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George Nicklebanks - Mon, 20 Jul 2015 06:52:26 EST ID:s7tRuAtf No.12242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Your writing has the choppy quality that I would expect from someone who is still learning English, but it is readable, understandable, and there were even some descriptions that I found pleasant to read. I only scanned your story for about 30 seconds, so keep that in mind.

Actually, some of science fiction parts went over my head, and I could not even tell if you were using the words appropriately or not. So in some ways, you may be better at English than I am. That is an interesting thing about learning a second language, you have a whole fluent history in another tongue that gives you an advantage, but as a whole your language skills are uneven.

I would say that you are well on your way toward becoming fluent and you are doing a terrific job. GOLD STAR. Who is a good boy? Yes, you are. Yes.
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Beatrice Fasslefield - Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:03:10 EST ID:TEw5sPgq No.12243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The actual english is OK, but you've got some weird line breaks in there, and need more paragraphs/whitespace. The formatting makes it very hard to read, not the english.

Also, you might want to cut back a little on the exposition. Instead of talking about 'stratum 0', try to just imply these different levels of class. Too many sci-fi authors want to label every little detail of their world. This isn't necessary. *Show*, don't *tell*. I get that it's like it's hard-coded in the society's technology, but unecesasry terminology is really cliche in sci-fi. I would also think of alternative words for 'disinterfacement'. It's just a clunky, ugly word.

As far as grammar, there's a few quirks. Like these:

>Rough was wintertime when you started to need flash-lights in order to roam this soulless urban space,
> But they had not the power of disinterfacement,

These sentences are constructed in a pretentious way, that sounds silly and out of place. You went from terse Kurt Vonnegut prose to 18th century romance novel prose.


Fix the formatting first, because walls of text with weird line breaks are no good to read. You want paragraphs.


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