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Need help boosting my German by Nathaniel Wullybodge - Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:51:44 EST ID:si6pwvxP No.11661 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I am a German student 3 courses away from my degree in German, but I still really struggle in reading. I passed B1 in April... I'm in a very difficult German reading course right now where we are tackling a Novella a week. Half the students are grad students and most of the other undergrad German students are out classing me.

I really love German but I am starting to get down on myself and my motivation is suffering. I'm also a geology student and doing calculus II this semester, so I'm pretty heavily loaded up on schoolwork.

What's a good way to amass vocab and confidence at this point in my studies?
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Lydia Pallyfield - Tue, 02 Sep 2014 02:33:57 EST ID:/B/BFMOS No.11662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Vocab? Anki. Confidence? Actually speaking and thinking in the language. Start talking to native speakers if you haven't already.


Esperanto by Basil Drugglefield - Mon, 04 Aug 2014 14:50:20 EST ID:1v08dn/1 No.11592 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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"A great opportunity seemed to arise for Esperanto when, in the 1920s, the Iranian delegation to the League of Nations proposed that it be adopted for use in international relations. In the ensuing debate there were vicious attacks on Esperanto. The French representative was particularly vociferous in arguing against this proposal. From his point of view French was the international language. The proposal was defeated.

In Nazi Germany and in the Soviet Union Esperantists faced persecution. Hitler had mocked Esperanto in Mein Kampf. Stalin called Esperanto “the language of spies.” Both Hitler and Stalin had large numbers of Esperantists killed. The whole tragic story of the persecution of the Esperantists has been told by a German scholar, Ülrich Lins, in La Danĝera Lingvo (The Dangerous Language). "

http://www.esperanto.ie/en/zaft/zaft_2.html
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Ian Fabberworth - Mon, 01 Sep 2014 09:46:39 EST ID:1v08dn/1 No.11655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11652
The thing is, most people don't know English. Once you leave Western Europe, the vast majority of the population who claims to know English, couldn't write a comprehensible pantograph to save their lives.
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Walter Gibberpet - Mon, 01 Sep 2014 13:03:08 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11655
Quality actually varies quite a bit but the thing is most who are doing science correspond to the ones speaking moderate English. It doesn't actually matter if the poor in Afghanistan can't speak English if they aren't contributing to the thing that we're reshaping the language for.
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Ian Fabberworth - Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:05:57 EST ID:1v08dn/1 No.11658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11657
That's an extremely elitist sentiment.
The goal of Esperanto is to have a universal second language. A member of the ruling class in Afghanistan for example, shouldn't have an easier access to communication than a farmer just because they had the time, and resources to learn English.
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Walter Gibberpet - Mon, 01 Sep 2014 19:23:37 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11658
But a member of the ruling class in Afghanistan shouldn't have an easier access to communication than a farmer just because they had the time, and resources to learn Esperanto. It's an equal claim, the difference between the two is just that people *already* know English, meaning we'd have to invest little to no time in reeducation. Unfortunately you're not gonna magically disappear the effort that goes into learning the languages whatever they are.
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Ian Fabberworth - Mon, 01 Sep 2014 19:30:32 EST ID:1v08dn/1 No.11660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11659
Not really. Esperanto would take a fraction to learn compared to English.
English takes a long time to become fluent in. Think of the amount of money it costs to teach everyone English in one year. Now think of how many years the average foreigner spends learning English. Then think about how fluent the average Chinese, or Indonesian person lucky enough to learn English after 5 years is actually able to speak.
Esperanto would not only take a fraction of the time to learn, but the results would be better. And something even harder to quantify would be the millions of man hours saved from learning English could be used to further the economy and an individual's life in different ways.


What's even the point. by Phyllis Dottingmadge - Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:55:53 EST ID:3PaB0X0O No.11569 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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No one wants to talk to you in their native language, they want to practice English with you. Or they'll get mad as if you were implying they don't know English. It's a required subject in every developed nation, everyone speaks English. Foreign media is available translated. I really enjoyed Spanish and French in school/college but now I'm disappointed I never get to use them and can't see the point of trying to pick up another. Why do you guys do it?
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Sidney Finningwater - Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:41:16 EST ID:IdNV1unP No.11580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Read books in french and spanish, watch movies in french and spanish. It's much more enjoyable to understand art in it's own language.
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John Nicklefield - Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:02:25 EST ID:mPRdrUeT No.11630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>No one wants to talk to you in their native language, they want to practice English with you.
b-but, thats not even true

>everyone speaks English
this is more true, but still not true
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Archie Sibberstedging - Sat, 30 Aug 2014 18:43:36 EST ID:EG/nUO4B No.11646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11630
It's been true all my life, I've never once met someone who was interested in using anything but English with me. Most of my friends who majored in a foreign language and had to do a study abroad said it was the biggest joke ever, because once they got to Europe everyone refused to speak anything but English with them.
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Matilda Drummergold - Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:41:55 EST ID:QHntiamh No.11650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I solely learn German for literature. Dat prose mang.
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Whitey Seddlepurk - Mon, 01 Sep 2014 13:01:52 EST ID:0fNmCUd5 No.11656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11646
Go somewhere besides Europe.


learning Spanish by Jarvis Divingchig - Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:07:51 EST ID:PZ6JLEYk No.11489 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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HEY I would really like to learn Spanish. Can you guys provide some links or hints that have proven to work?
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Jack Mublinghire - Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:07:28 EST ID:sPwTzU+z No.11635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11599
Mí personal siempre lleva tilde.
Sé de saber también lleva tilde.
Añadiré que "sé" también lleva tilde cuando es del verbo ser.
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Whitey Nacklefield - Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:26:17 EST ID:VnzS/6/B No.11638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11635
SILENCIO, MORTAL!
No me podés corregir a mi, soy hablante nativo! Lo que yo diga es como se habla.
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Jack Brookgold - Fri, 29 Aug 2014 23:02:08 EST ID:sPwTzU+z No.11641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lo has hecho de nuevo.

No me podés corregir a mí, ¡soy hablante nativo! Lo que yo diga es como se habla.*
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Lydia Muddlestadging - Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:08:40 EST ID:hHkY/Pka No.11645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11641
Pues, cuando hablas no necesitas tildes.. cuando escribes sí
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Lydia Sinningwune - Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:01:58 EST ID:sPwTzU+z No.11654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>11645
Tienes toda la razón, cuando hablamos no necesitamos tildes, además sería imposible añadir tildes porque no existen en el sonido.
Mientras estemos en un lugar con texto, estaremos escribiendo. No sé usted, pero yo respeto el lenguaje lo suficiente como para seguir sus reglas ortográficas, sin importar si la conversación es formal o casual.


Voynich Script by Simon Wivingline - Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:11:50 EST ID:8+cBdc9r No.11649 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript
What's it mean?
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Walter Gibberpet - Mon, 01 Sep 2014 04:27:44 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Probably a c. 1450 act of personal art that just got traded into noble hands, forgotten about, and passed on. The techniques used to make it and the tech drawn in it put it at a date range of 1450-1480 at the most likely and the location of somewhere in central to east central Europe, where it came from.

It's information patterns as a mix of pseudolinguistic gibberish (like glossolia, speaking in tongues) and of something patterning like a mildly analytic language, suiting the "chinese" explanation but parsimoniously being explained by the Germanic and even a reduced Latin (somewhat like a correctedRomanian or Spanish or French) underlying the cipher. The noise though is probably so great that it's what's throwing off decypherment. Additionally, some of the nonlinguistic patterns detected might explain the lack of corrections - the mistakes were simply addended with corrections; like say "The lino lion ate the mause mouse", outside of glossolalia patterns of simple noise.



Regarding it's purpose, probably just someone's private world committed to paper. A would-be mystic monk in a time where mysticism was flourishing but off paper, possibly compounded by drugs and disease (migraines explain many of the stranger sites). Another explanation that I find parsimonious, a sufferer of an autism-like disorder - likely to be made a priest in the era, likely to have an inner world like that persist into adulthood, likely to put in the excruciating detail to commit it to paper, and have the overactive pattern-seeking behavior to put it through a cypher.


Of course it's just my opinion. This site is a little bit more conservative in that it dismisses most "explanations" without committing to one of it's own but it brings up quite a lot of the known details for people in good detail:

http://www.ciphermysteries.com/


TEACHING ENGLISH AS A FOREIGN LANGUAGE HORROR STORIES ETC by John Nicklefield - Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:13:29 EST ID:mPRdrUeT No.11631 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've just finished my Cambridge ELT qualification, got a job offer (signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours) and I'm now about to move away to a Eurasian metropolis where I will be undertaking my first English teaching job.

tell me about how snotty the kids are going to be
any horror stories (to tell camp-fire style)?
been figuratively fucked in the arse by a language school?
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Nicholas Biblinglock - Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:48:18 EST ID:ph+yfDWN No.11636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it really depends on the country you are teaching in.

In the Czech Republic all the kids were really polite and well behaved. In Spain they were pretty wild but definitely not snotty.... Well.. I mean they had lots of snot, kids produce so much snot.. but they weren't arrogant.
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Martha Brookcocke - Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:08:50 EST ID:/B/BFMOS No.11637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>been figuratively fucked in the arse by a language school?

Never mind the kids, this is what you should be worried about. Getting into bed with a dishonest company is always bad news.
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Samuel Senningshit - Sat, 30 Aug 2014 04:35:23 EST ID:vJHUOUD6 No.11642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How long does it take to get an ELT qualification? How much would you have to work to make, say, $250 (US) a week?
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Lydia Muddlestadging - Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:02:26 EST ID:hHkY/Pka No.11643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11637

What? I have been working in ESL in Europe for 7 years and I've never had this happen or had it happen to anyone I know.

>>11642

It depends on the country. In The Czech Republic you'll make about 4 euro an hour. In Spain you'll make 15 after a while, 9 in your first year. In Germany you could be looking at 20 if you have experience and are fluent in German.
Everyone says Dubai pays the most, but the kids are supposed to be a nightmare.
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Lydia Muddlestadging - Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:06:32 EST ID:hHkY/Pka No.11644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11642

The weekend ELT courses are all scams. They give a qualification to absolutely anybody who is willing to pay, and the majority of schools know that.

A CELTA course is 120+ hours or so and takes about a month, with about 7 hours of teaching practice. But I recommend doing a 2 month part time course if at all possible.

It costs about €1,500 euro.


Uploding Latin course. by Thomas Trotville - Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:32:53 EST ID:fGC+CkpF No.11610 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello, /lang/. Are any of you interested in learning Latin? I've been recently cleaning out my house and stumbled upon some of my old Latin textbooks. If any of you want, I can put all the information into a pastebin to share with you all.
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Cyril Duckford - Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:12:00 EST ID:i0gwflFu No.11613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11611
pmt
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Cyril Bardbanks - Sat, 16 Aug 2014 00:52:26 EST ID:c6hl5F2A No.11614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm down
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Phyllis Trotcocke - Thu, 21 Aug 2014 20:31:26 EST ID:NqJL1ymG No.11617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
volo una copia libres "wheelock's latin", si tu id habeas


...ipse erat probabilimente multe male...
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Sun, 24 Aug 2014 01:09:43 EST ID:6gimAog7 No.11626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11610

Sounds great OP.
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Thom Yorke - Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:48:58 EST ID:f9IhLl1l No.11639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And then OP never delivered


Does anyone speak Irish (Gaeilge) by Clara Shakeville - Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:42:54 EST ID:V3PCboNV No.11633 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone who's not a native Irish person know how to speak any Irish? I'm from Ireland myself and sweet fuck all of the people that inhabit this Island can speak their native tongue. Unfortunately I have to include myself in that category.

So, have you ever known anyone that wasn't Irish/ from Ireland that could speak Irish? Or even knew if the language was still remotely alive?

We have our constitution written in both English and Irish so that's kinda handy.


Learning Arabic in a year by alkemest - Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:35:43 EST ID:86jrGCuF No.11565 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's up guys, quick question, how do I learn Arabic at least passably in about a years time?
I'm graduating Uni in a year or so with a degree in journalism and polisci, and Palestine has been on my heart and mind for years. This current slaughter is really pushing me towards volunteering to teach English there when I graduate. The thing is that I'll probably want/need some understanding of Arabic before I head over. I can take classes, but I may also need to buckle down and get my required classes done this next year.

What are some tools that are available to learn Arabic? Primarily I'd want to be able to speak it with passable basic writing skills.
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Ghengis Dong - Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:11:18 EST ID:5rSHWso6 No.11576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not realistic to expect much results in a year without being immersed. Look up immersion programs at Universities. I studied Persian at the University of Maryland's Summer Institute. They also offered Arabic, it was 12 credits in 10 weeks, with classes 9-5 everyday. It's open to anybody who pays, I studied mostly with school-teachers, cops, ex-military, and federal agents. If you aren't exclusively using the language for most of the day and receiving formalised instruction, you're not going to get very far.
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Caroline Semmerserk - Sat, 02 Aug 2014 19:56:38 EST ID:gPIGtUk4 No.11588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> What are some tools that are available to learn Arabic?

go to a mosque, an Imam will teach you for free.
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Esther Claystock - Sun, 03 Aug 2014 03:27:37 EST ID:8cqzfMaE No.11589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11588
Seriously?
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Sophie Connerforth - Wed, 13 Aug 2014 19:09:33 EST ID:u0SfWPQN No.11609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11589
Yes seriously. Pretty much all mosques will run Arabic classes at least one day a week. I'm Muslim btw.
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Thomas Micklenock - Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:21:55 EST ID:UP0WbMeJ No.11627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11609
That's pretty awesome. Is it frowned upon if you're agnostic/atheist (but not hostile)?


Language-learning method I created by Martin Niggerspear - Sun, 24 Aug 2014 00:39:20 EST ID:rbS8hkzn No.11625 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Rate the method I have come up with to learn Icelandic. I'd like to hear your guyses feedback concerning it. I'm still at the first stage and sticking to it.

First stage: Acquiring reading fluency

The first stage consists of reading general texts (like news) in order to get to know the basic vocabulary used by these kind of texts. News texts generally follow a template and always use the same words. The method to acquire the reading fluency requires that the learner checks every word in a text in order to get accostumed with patterns, like conjugation and declension patterns. It is slow and tiresome in the beginning, but as day passes, the learner will be able to recognize more and more words, find out the infinitive form of a conjugated verb and the nominative form of a declined adjective, adverb, noun, article or pronoun. In this stage the learner is to be assisted by pages that are capable of indentifying conjugated verbs' and declined words' root form in order to help in the pattern-finding part. A website capable of finding the root form of declined words or conjugated verbs is http://bin.arnastofnun.is/forsida/. Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org/) is also able to conjugate and decline words, but it isn't as reliable.

Second stage: Acquiring writing fluency

By the time the learner reaches this stage, he's to have the standard vocabulary used by news websites. He's to know the most used verbs, nouns and adjectives as well as their conjugation and declension patterns. In this stage the learner will use the vocabulary he acquired to write blog-like entries in the website Lang-8 (http://www.lang-8.com/). This is the stage that will focus the heaviest on grammar. The learner must submit his texts to Lang-8, compare their texts with the corrections submitted by native icelanders and study the mistakes in order to get rid of the majority of them. Sites like WordReferenceForums (http://forum.wordreference.com/forumdisplay.php?f=75) can be used to answer specific answer regarding grammar and Wikipedia's article on Icelandic grammar covers the technical intricacies. The learner when writing an entry must translate the words he wants to use in his entries using a translato…
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Serbian learning by Martin Blackshaw - Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:48:34 EST ID:MtHV5DDA No.11608 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /lang/ I'm wondering if there's any good way to learn Serbian. I know it's incredibly similar to Croatian and Bosnian when it comes to spelling in the latin alphabet but it's still dissimilar to English. I was thinking if I learn the Latin alphabet and the language to a good standard, I can then learn Cyrillic script.
Are there any good learning resources out there?
TL;DR How do I learn Serbian well and quickly?
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Ebenezer Lightway - Sat, 23 Aug 2014 04:34:48 EST ID:NRYToeRC No.11620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11608
Arizona State University's Critical Language Institute does BSC classes every summer. It's 8 weeks of classes, 4 hours a day for a year's worth of credit (so like 8 credits).

Shit costs like $500. Tempe is hot as fuck in the summer but it's a great program and a steal for the price.
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Shitting Demmleford - Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:57:07 EST ID:5lTLYqJz No.11621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11620
I wouldn't be able to attend because I live in the UK, Cardiff to be more precise. I've seen the odd lesson on offer but it just seems like dodgy shit.
but, I'll look up the local university and see if it has any Serbian, Bosnian or Croatian language courses.
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Graham Sammlecocke - Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:55:33 EST ID:PzybkvAH No.11622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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  • Learn to read first, that's the easiest part since the alphabet is phonetic, you don't even have to know the meaning of words. Don't let Cyrillic intimidate you, with a table showing the corresponding letters in Latin and Cyrillic side to side, you'll get the hang of it in no time.

  • Then work on your vocabulary. Make use of the media in Serbian, movies are a good way to learn since you have a picture to give you some context, and there are some good Serbian movies out there.

  • Tackle grammar last, since the grammatical cases (there's 7 of them) and genders (3 of them) are the most difficult to learn for those whose language doesn't have them. You'll really need some help on this one. Even many native speakers can't get the cases right (namely those in the South).


>Serbian, Bosnian or Croatian language
All the same language, Emma's right.

Interesting tidbit: I've been to Mostar last month, one of the cities in Bosnia-Hercegovina where the fighting in the '90s was the heaviest (it was between Croats and Muslims). The tension is still palpable.

Everybody over there calls the language simply "our language". Nobody ever names it. It's so weird. And sad. I had to bite my tongue a few times not to call it "Serbian" by force of habit (I'm from Serbia).
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Graham Sammlecocke - Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:31:40 EST ID:PzybkvAH No.11623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>11622
One more language-related anecdote from my recent trip:

When the fierce fighting broke out in Mostar, the civilians fled. They mostly ended up in Scandinavian countries, which were the most accepting of refugees. Few of the native inhabitants of the city came back, it's mostly newcomers now.

The native citizens now have a saying: "You're not a true Mostarian if you don't speak Norwegian".
Gotta love their black humor.
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Shitting Demmleford - Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:46:19 EST ID:5lTLYqJz No.11624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've been using a website to speak to natives and they're pretty friendly and they all seem to say that Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is all the same.
>>11622
Is there any good literature out there to learn from? I need a good text book to accompany myconversations with the natives


pimsleur is fucking boring by Martin Trotdock - Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:43:23 EST ID:3xDq++i+ No.11521 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've been trying to teach myself Russian for about 6 months now. I figured I'd do it the same way I did spanish (finish rosetta stone, then read the news with the help of google translate, then watch movies I know well dubbed in it), but that hasn't worked out, either because the alphabet kind of slows things down or because it doesn't share as much vocabulary as English (thank you Roman Empire).

So I'm thinking I'll just brute force it with Pimsleur. Problem is, Pimsleur is boring as fuck. Is there anything I can do while Pimsleuring that can keep me from falling asleep without distracting me too much? Whoever can solve this problem wins a slice of Ukraine.
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Lydia Blettingfield - Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:27:24 EST ID:gPIGtUk4 No.11538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you could try spending time with people who speak Russian, also listen to Vladmir Vysotsky, he's kinda like the Kurt Cobain or John Lennon of Russia.
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Henry Wirryforth - Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:24:08 EST ID:A+W5xLuM No.11545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Try to use as many different resources as you can at the same time for learning any language. Pimsleur for an hour, bored, flashcards, bored, online flashcards, bored, Russian music, bored, some other audio course, bored, a phrasebook, bored, a teach yourself book, bored, and start over again.
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Beatrice Pickshaw - Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:49:14 EST ID:XIfXrNph No.11619 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>listen to Vladmir Vysotsky
Don't do it.


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