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Facing a demon from my past by Wesley Clammlestot - Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:52:57 EST ID:j5EeZBIw No.44894 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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In 2013 I was arrested for manufacturing meth and disposal of hazardous waste. I spent 4 months in jail on 100,000 bond and four months later it was dropped to 20,000. Bonded out, went to rehab, got a job and turned it around.

I have court monday for the charges. They are dropping one, and recomennding probation on the other. My question is, I relapsed and smoked weed for a few months this year. It's still in my system. Could this potentially be really bad for me monday? Can they drug test in court? It's general sessions court, and I am in SC if that helps.
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Oliver Chumbledut - Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:44:56 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thought I replied to this. Anyway said if you did not somke for like 11 days you would likely be clean. That you would not be testing at court, they don't do that
that I have ever seen. But could have had to report to probation right away, where they could have tested. Could have been better off saying you smoked ?? months ago, or better not at all.

I was thinking due process, 8 months to get a bond hearing? Doesn't sound right? Let alone close to two years or more to have this resolved.

Just wondering if you set this for trial and waived that right to a speedy trial.
Generally for the good of the people spending time in jail the time on a case should be sped up.

Anyway i make a good relation with your PO. Not really a full out yes sir yes mam thing,
but a partnership, if you do your part they have their part. You may find after maybe 6 months of modified or supervised probation, you may just have to check in with a phone call once a month. Or a monthly visit.

Possibly if things are cool could be off probation in a year and case closed. POs have a heavy case load, if you succeed they succeed. Just do not acquire any criminal charges or likely 6 months in jail for violating probation. Then basically back to square one. So work
with it the best you can.
Rebecca Pigglechodge - Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:22:55 EST ID:j5EeZBIw No.44899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Apologize I wrote this when I was panicking. I spent 4 months in jail total. Waited for 4 months for a reduction and it was granted and I bonded out and went to inpatient rehab for 9 months.

My case was really old and the judge even joked about where I was at. I had another co defendant involved which is why it took so long. He fucked up bad and got charged with burglary 2nd and a whole bunch of other shit. They figured out who was actually doing what. I had a good public defender and alot of mitigation.

Since I told the judge I wasn't clean she also ordered me to attend 90 meetings in 90 days on top of the probation. I seriously lucked out really well.
Phoebe Billingdale - Thu, 17 Dec 2015 01:49:49 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yea, it's OK to be open with some thought of what the possible good or bad could
come out of it.

Here's a story, a friend/associate said he was joining the military, ready to go and become productive when he was facing possible a long time in jail. The judge said OK, good luck to you and you are making a good decision, case closed. No probation, jail time

A month or whatever layer he was back in jail again. The same judge, same type of charges, Judge was red in the face, YOU, No leniency was given.

well keep on keeping on.
Hedda Blammlewater - Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:46:29 EST ID:j5EeZBIw No.44902 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Thanks for the words of advice. I am having trouble with probation now. They had to trasnfer it to the current town I live in from the city it happened in and I reported when they told me and I wasn't in the system. Contacted the right people and was told to come monday. Same day another agent called and said that I didn't report the day I actually did. Said they'd issue a warrant if I didn't come Monday.

SHe called back like 5 minutes later and was like I spoke to the others and they said they were in contact with you just come Monday.

I was like what the fuck.. first a paperwork error then a communication error. This is going to be a fun 3 years.
Emma Goodridge - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 23:51:17 EST ID:ORTlGTgk No.44958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have to tell you that it's crazy illegal

>if you think it's legal

Your wrong, it's totally illegal

Posted this on /qq/ and they told me to come here by Hannah Ficklelare - Wed, 11 Mar 2015 00:07:26 EST ID:GnH0Bpwd No.44028 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Ok...in like october or november somebody VERY close to me got raided by some DEA agents.

They found 150 grams of MDMA and $6000 cash.

However, they didn't get arrested. Instead, a few weeks later, they got letters of what was found during the search. The letter says nothing about MDMA and only claims $5000 cash was found.

Now, it gets stranger. The return address on the envelope was not from a dea office (i don't even think theres any around here) but a random address. Going to it, theres a big mural of people of all different races and colors painted on it, no sign on the building, and a camera facing toward the door along with a card reader to get in.

Now they've speculated this entire time that these aren't DEA agents but some thugs who work for the DEA or something, that stole all of their drugs and some cash and only reported $5000 of "What they believe to be drug money" back to the feds.

And now months later their mail starts getting opened and seized. They (the people taking the mail) recently seized some stuff that was legal (it was just paper) and the people who live in the house believe that its being tested for LSD or something. It isn't, it was just a letter.

So whats gonna happen to these kids? I am in no way shape or form connected to their former business
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Molly Honeywater - Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:05 EST ID:Mvq84n9W No.44033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the mdma is likely being tested and requires time to make sure its exactly what they think it is,

the 1000 bucks got pocketed, no surprise there

the 5 grand was likely seized as it was more then likely next to the drugs or the guy didnt have a resonable explination of where the money came from.

the one thats getting me and makes me think they are government related is the mail seizure.

what can you i mean he do? not a whole lot beside GET OUT OF TH GAME NOW.
Nathaniel Turveyham - Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:27:23 EST ID:1md0pHRU No.44047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i was recently arrested for possession of cocaine and i never even had cocaine, at all, whatsoever.

it was for residue that was caked onto a little baggy (that was completely open and ripped up, not usable whatsoever as an actual container anymore) and the cunt cop scraped the side of it and tested it and said it was cocaine. it was, in fact, at one point molly in the baggy but i never admitted to that or anything. i know that molly can be laced with anything and coke could have perhaps been a part of the molly, but i never actually had coke...so it could be tested as methamphetamine or cocaine, i guess is my contribution.
Fuck Hashcocke - Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:19:56 EST ID:RxS+WccT No.44059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Any chance of getting that address so I can see if Google Earth can see it?
Lillian Duckson - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 15:17:37 EST ID:0Eai6RPk No.44924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ur bud got conspiracied.
Emma Goodridge - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 23:49:26 EST ID:ORTlGTgk No.44957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
O my god did you fucking idiots know you can juice a carrort and turn it into juice or carrot cake, that's how it is

how to tell which backpage ads are cops? by Sophie Buffingterk - Tue, 01 Dec 2015 01:20:22 EST ID:qF6nKSH+ No.44870 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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For example, this right here. How can I tell if that's a pig? Is 180 for an HR with this bitch suspiciously affordable? I would 100% smash on that. I would pay 180 a day to smash that.
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George Semmerstone - Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:46:50 EST ID:5LEIEegh No.44895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'd be way more worried about scammers/robbers on BP than Police.

Google phone numbers and reverse image search until you are led to a local or regional prostitute forum. On these forums you can find reviews, ratings, ads, and some even use a vouching system so both you and the 'tute knows each other are legit.
Angus Biddlesad - Sat, 26 Dec 2015 04:08:09 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cops show the respectful law enforcement, and total jerks that have no place in law enforcement. Some people think it is law enforcement, the jerks being heavy handed in their practice. Some police think that is what the people want, but it is
not respectful by any means.
Hedda Fattingtetch - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 04:19:21 EST ID:UatgbIa4 No.44923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cops/Law actually cares about prostitution still?

Whut? I thought they only cared when it was like some clearly coked out bitch on the street constantly harassing people.
Wesley Turveywater - Mon, 04 Jan 2016 19:24:03 EST ID:7x6LgJIq No.44929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ask her to nude model for you. if shes/hes....? ok with that then it should be straight
Emma Goodridge - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 23:48:00 EST ID:ORTlGTgk No.44956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's gonna get you arrested dude

Im Going to Jail (possibly) by John Bunson - Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:48:33 EST ID:Vk2p35oc No.44702 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Two years ago I got in a persuit with the police out here in California (in a more conservative county). There were no injuries or accidents and I surrendered without incident.

Im being sentenced next week, the judge previously set a cap of no more than 270 days [which I will serve 50% of and I have 12 days credit] (hes an asshole). The probation office is taking their sweet ass time with their report.

Im hoping that my attorney can get it down 90 or 60 days. Heres the problem Im gay and femme Im pretty attractive but I can fight. So thats a concern of mine what should I do? What should I expect. Last time I was in that jail it wasnt terrible but still those fucks are dangerous
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Hamilton Honeyville - Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:48:52 EST ID:lUxngbxT No.44906 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Each side places its case on the scale what ever sides case carries more weight then the scales of justice weigh in their favor.
Simon Gunningtone - Wed, 23 Dec 2015 16:46:12 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It does make sense, but it does not. Justice has failed, over and over.
Shit Wiffingforth - Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:59:55 EST ID:Kd+sUt8p No.44908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's better to allow 99 guilty men to walk free from their crime than to imprison one innocent man.
Angus Biddlesad - Sat, 26 Dec 2015 03:50:04 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Prosecution is success in the ladder of. Even the innocents. Knowing that one is innocent. Years later they find one guilty, but innocent.
Angus Biddlesad - Sat, 26 Dec 2015 03:57:38 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That is the way, I have seen where a prosecution should work, but a solid case
that is fabricated, is not a case at all.

Accounting Fraud/Enron general by TMan - Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:25:01 EST ID:DENqVUuL No.44888 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Currently doing a research project on Enron & why accounting fraud never works. I've already done plenty of research, watched The Smartest Guys In The Room, etc. Apparently plenty of law schools use the collapse of Enron in their classes. So I was just wondering if /law/ had any extensive information on accounting fraud and why it never works (usually). It would be appreciated. Bonus: I live near Houston where the company was located, so talking to friends/family about Enron has been really easy.

>Accounting Fraud general thread
Priscilla Dindlenun - Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:41:12 EST ID:fwKd6kR7 No.44889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Your premise is a little retarded: what does accounting fraud that works look like? Do the perpetrators get away or does nobody ever find out? Would you really consider Bernie Madoff unsuccessful just because he'll die in prison?
Fanny Bliffingdun - Fri, 11 Dec 2015 01:53:27 EST ID:FyPcY6k3 No.44890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
because with accounting debits always have to equal credits in the end

and when it's bogged down with a bunch of phony transactions that make no sense at all people get suspicious, especially when its millions of dollars
Hannah Blackman - Fri, 11 Dec 2015 09:55:08 EST ID:J8K1kZ8J No.44891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think Enron would have been an issue for anyone if they hadn't shuttered immediately afterwards.

Letting the board pilfer the company is generally protected under the business judgment rule.
Fuck Tillingfoot - Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:56:32 EST ID:KFZmSoKJ No.44898 Ignore Report Quick Reply

New to /LAW/ by William Mozzleson - Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:15:32 EST ID:eQnGTXjW No.44874 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello all,

At around 4:00 A.M. EST, i was working at my local grocery store. I normally work day shift cashier. As of late i have been working "file maintenance", which is responsible for taking down and putting up new tags/signs. Only because they are short handed for the holidays. The night lead is a real company man, with twenty plus years under his belt. Lives, breaths, eats, shits, and sleeps for the company. He is in charge of the store overnight. Now, myself and a few others listen to music on this shift while working. Because it helps pass the time, and no music plays in the store during these early hours. I don't use headphones, but listen through my phone out loud. Not loud enough to really bother anyone. There i was minding my own business, when the night lead comes up. Starts harassing me about the music. Telling me, not asking, to turn it off. He became rather irate, when i didn't turn it off. Raising his voice to me, acting out like a child having a tantrum. Telling him that he was out of line, and needed to take it down a notch. I was being completely civil with him. I told him i was tired of him singling me out every opportunity he got, and to leave me alone( I am not the only one who does this, and he doesn't say a thing). He told me to leave, and I said no. He then called the cops on me! When they arrived i told them my side, and that this man was ridiculous. I was told either i leave, or i would be arrested for trespassing. I lost four and a half hours of work for listening to music. It was a sad turn of events. I left with a very salty taste in my mouth, and have since, called the Union, and some local labor firm of sorts. But, what i want to know, is there anything legal action that i can take? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Nigger Brepperhodge - Wed, 02 Dec 2015 20:15:48 EST ID:R9Y/jwsq No.44876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What are you 15?

If you used headphones or just listened to your supervisor like your supposed to you'd be fine. Yeah he acted like an ass but you did too.

No law was broken.
Fanny Bliffinglet - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 01:54:55 EST ID:X9xKQNwU No.44877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
when someone in charge of a building tells you to leave you have to leave or you are trespassing.

tbh, you probably dont have a job anymore. insubordination on your part.
Shitting Cillynene - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 09:50:01 EST ID:qK1ZjfvE No.44878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Go ahead and apply for unemployment because I highly doubt you still have a job. And because you are the one who escalated the situation don't be surprised if your unemployment claim gets denied.
Emma Chunderbotch - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 21:20:12 EST ID:ZwixIBj1 No.44880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I don't use headphones, but listen through my phone out loud. Not loud enough to really bother anyone.

I guarantee you that this behavior is fucking annoying. No one else wants to hear your music. They really don't.

> is there anything legal action that i can take?

For what? Calling the cops on you when you wouldn't leave? What do you expect?
Barnaby Grandford - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 02:21:17 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>I don't use headphones, but listen through my phone out loud. Not loud enough to really bother >>anyone.

>I guarantee you that this behavior is fucking annoying. No one else wants to hear your music.
>They really don't.

I walk through chain grocery stores and employees at times, 2 am whatever, few customers. People have their portable music and are working stocking shelves, inventory, etc. yes at the same time.

As well managers would allow whatever music over the stores system. No issues I would see whatever.

>> is there anything legal action that i can take?

>For what? Calling the cops on you when you wouldn't leave? What do you expect?

If there is a policy of no audible music by employees, or the like I guess I could see
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Divorce Questions. by Charles Turveyford - Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:19:20 EST ID:Mqal8yYZ No.44864 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So about 2 months ago, a close friend of me and my future ex-wife passed away. I suppose in some weird impulsive response to grief me and her decided to get a courthouse wedding, just for the fuck of it.

Really awful idea, I know, but I guess we were trying to cope or something.

Anyways, We got married on the 15th of October. Things were going alright, we've been friends for several years now and she had already lived with me so it was a perfect adjustment. We had a small ceremony for kicks, got some cute rings and dresses and left it at that.

Anyways, about two weeks ago, she just randomly got a stick up her ass. We went from having a very pleasant evening the night before, and the next she was suddenly giving me the cold shoulder. Figured midterms were stressing her out or whatever, but it kept happening.

Out of the blue, I came home and most of her furniture and stuff was gone. Just vanished in the course of a couple hours. She's still refusing to talk to me. A couple days ago, she said she wants to hurry up and get a divorce. I suggested trying for an annulment but she's absolutely set on divorce for some reason. Saying it will be easier.

Today, a couple of guys let themselves into my place without warning with her key, and said they came for the rest of her things. They were incredibly short, and when I asked them if they had any idea why she was mad they refused to tell me. I got the impression they felt I knew what I did but was playing stupid.

Now I'm worried and scared about what she's told people, and the idea of getting divorced scares me now since as much as I want to be separated properly I'm afraid she might have some plan in motion to fuck me over somehow.

The major question being, do I need a Lawyer? Is there any way she can screw me over at this point. We both have a separate income, we've never taken in any debt mutually, obviously don't have kids or anything on the way. Ideally, I figure it'll be a "My stuff is mine, yours is yours." but I'm not sure what legal footwork can be done if I don't cover my bases.
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Charles Turveyford - Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:23:46 EST ID:Mqal8yYZ No.44865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Additionally, the guys said they'd be back tomorrow. I told them I wouldn't be available but they said they're coming back anyways.

Do I have any way to prepare, or recourse should she decide to take things that aren't hers? I have some reasonably decent things that would be absolutely devastating to replace if she took them.
Hedda Blackford - Mon, 30 Nov 2015 02:14:02 EST ID:Kd+sUt8p No.44866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Document everything that's yours that you're afraid might disappear. Take photos, and hopefully you can dig up sales receipts. And yes, get a lawyer, immediately.
Charles Turveyford - Mon, 30 Nov 2015 02:55:22 EST ID:Mqal8yYZ No.44867 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I've been in a position where I needed legal counsel. What's the best way to find one? Just googling, or should I flip through a telephone book like the good ol' days.

How much will it cost for legal counsel? Or would a lawyer be involved from start to end?
Charles Turveyford - Mon, 30 Nov 2015 03:09:44 EST ID:Mqal8yYZ No.44868 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I've never*

How long does it take for social security to go through a name change regearding benfits? by Molly Fobblenitch - Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:20:30 EST ID:3xXBEjni No.44854 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello I want to change my name but also receive SSI for disability. (MS)
I've had a lot of problems with Social Security and my pension in the past.

A few months ago they falsely accused me of having 5 grand in stocks, which took 3 months to appeal (w/o receiving income)

And it took me two months for them to adjust my income level after a hiccup in their system where they took 1/3 out of regular check.

I'd really like to change my name but they aren't swift or thorough about anything and I do not want them fucking me over like they have in the past.

How long do you think it would take to process the name change and if their is a lapse in reeving income how long would it likely be?
Molly Fobblenitch - Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:22:22 EST ID:3xXBEjni No.44855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
sorry for my poor grammar
Graham Pockridge - Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:19:10 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There are plenty of free legal advice sites out there. Some though you ask a question and then suddenly ask for money for an answer. Look around.
Many are decent attorneys that help, to help, and in turn they learn more in
their practice.

Drug dogs by Lillian Dartshit - Fri, 27 Nov 2015 18:55:11 EST ID:CxQVSj8G No.44860 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What are the laws regarding reasonable cause to search someone and drug dogs in Canada? Mostly on campus
Nicholas Summercocke - Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:56:04 EST ID:EbSwDKs7 No.44861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Deploying a drug dog is considered a search, if that's what you're asking. The only major caveat for searches on campus are dorm rooms. If you live in one, it's probably not like your private residence.
Emma Nicklebury - Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:06:31 EST ID:BkaAvQoR No.44862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>> In most cases, the police can only search you only if you have been placed under arrest or if you have consented to the search. However, there are exceptions. These include:

>If the police find you in a place where they are searching for drugs, and they have reason to believe that you have drugs.
>The police find you in a vehicle where people are transporting or drinking alcohol illegally, and they believe that you have alcohol.
>The police believe that you have an illegal weapon or one that was used to commit a crime, and suspect that it might be removed or destroyed in the time it would take to get a search warrant.

>>If the police search you for any of these reasons, you must allow the search. If you believe that you have been wrongly searched, tell the police that you object to the search, and speak to a lawyer afterwards about your concerns.
>>If the police search you in relation to one offence, and find evidence that you may have committed another offence, you can be charged in relation to the second offence.
>>For example, if they search you on suspicion of having drugs, but find an illegal weapon, you can be charged with possession of the illegal weapon.

Fleeing by Augustus Clemblemare - Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:34:30 EST ID:Vm+cbRUU No.44850 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I will try to keep this as short as possible people.

I know someone, a woman, who is Lebanese and has 2 children. She is married but they are basically separated. The guy he is I think technically a sociopath and he uses his own kids as pawns in his game. He doe snot love them and he does not live with her or his 2 kids anymore, but does see them sometimes. Example he took them on a 40km journey on a motorbike with no helmets and they are like 10 and 12 yo, also it was cold and now they are ill.

Anyway she wants to the country because Lebanese law is such that the man has all of the power when it comes to custody of kids through a divorce and many other things. She wants to flee. She does not know how and I a wondering what would be the best place, way and how? The main thing here is for the kids sake, this guy is terrible and ruining many lives

Any further details that are needed I will provide them
Thanks in advance
Molly Pittworth - Tue, 24 Nov 2015 16:15:19 EST ID:HAfEOiIH No.44856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This isn't a law question, other than that you're asking for counsel on how to help her break the law. I'm sorry she's in a shit situation but I have nothing to say that wouldn't fall under common sense.

Try posting in /vroom/. You might get some insightful replies amongst all the crap.

felonies by Nell Pinkinfoot - Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:35:07 EST ID:iDNhIqMz No.44851 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If someone was convicted of 5 felonies for an incident, and theyve been sentenced to probation and about 3 years has passed, is there anyway to take the case back to trial or something, and persue attempted manslaughter? Im in NYS, I'd appreciate anyone's feedback. It was 3 years ago, like I said and the court preceedings are all over. I know there's no double-jeopardy in this country but is there some re-assessment of the case that can take place? The police have a machete used in the incident in their possession and a lot of other evidence documented. I have no idea how this guy didn't go to prison, I'm really fucking baffled but I think he ought to.
Hannah Sammertan - Tue, 24 Nov 2015 00:10:55 EST ID:7uuwzQBM No.44852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Double jeopardy wouldn't apply to a manslaughter charge if it concerned actions or elements not covered by the previous convictions. If that's too theoretical for you, if there the convictions included things like felony assault and there's no new evidence, the prosecution is done.
Jarvis Sishwater - Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:23:15 EST ID:X9xKQNwU No.44853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what was he charged with and what were the circumstances of the case.

why do you want him to be sentenced to more time

incriminating questions by Charlotte Hedgekodge - Fri, 06 Nov 2015 09:41:46 EST ID:ST4yrX/Q No.44800 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Whenever someone is a asked a question in court that would reveal his guiltiness, he may answer: "I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me".
Isnt that enought to convict him? Granted, he may not lie in court. If he said "no" and later found out it was a lie, he gets punished.
if in his inability to lie in court, the only substitute for "yes" in say "did you murder Mr. X?" is "I refuse to answer because it may incriminate me", isnt that enough to indirectly know he's already guilty?
am I insane to believe this? What am I missing?
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Eliza Begglefuck - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 01:17:47 EST ID:4r9tNx5z No.44805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>he was talking about at trial not during an investigation.

Fifth amendment advice is universally applicable. A lawyer will advise you not to testify at your own trial for exactly the same reasons they will advise you not to talk to the police.
Sophie Clonnershit - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 08:54:27 EST ID:JgrhRLWY No.44834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What you're also missing is that this is never an issue. No one ever asks a defendant in a criminal trial if he's pleading the fifth. A defendant either testifies (Like a fucking idiot) or shuts the fuck up (like a smart persons).

Once the idiot defendant takes the stand he doesn't get to say I plead the fifth. If you answer any question (such as the perfunctory what is your name that starts off every direct) you're answering every question either side has for you.
Nell Claffinglit - Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:17:06 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"did you murder Mr. X?

Opinion: I don't believe that would be allowed in a court of law. The state, the people, need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that circumstances, evidence, witnesses shows defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt. Not all law requires this.

The idea of 'might incriminate ones-self' goes along with the right to not be compelled to self-incrimination.
So not answering a question(s) in court or statements to police puts the burden of proof to police and
subsequently prosecution to provide enough evidence to pursue, win a conviction in a case.
This relies on ((burden of proof,) on the part of the prosecution.

In short not testifying or refusing to make statements and answer questions is a right in due process of law.
Which refusing to do so does or should not show guilt. The burden it on the state to prove it's case, not the

Note the movie My Cousin Vinny. The sheriff says "was this before or after you shot the clerk/."
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Nell Claffinglit - Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:45:21 EST ID:U23++ADK No.44846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>you're answering every question either side has for you.

Yea I guess this is fully correct. Witnesses though can invoke the 5th, even when compelled to testify by the courts. Refuse to answer some questions.
Augustus Hiffinghud - Mon, 23 Nov 2015 09:35:13 EST ID:4IEU/JJx No.44849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can't ask that question in a criminal trial. Not because it's barred by the 5th amendment, but rather because it's barred by the rules of evidence as an ultimate issue question.

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