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Car crash advice by Whitey Snodwill - Sat, 19 Mar 2016 12:53:37 EST ID:8d84YCCe No.45234 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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A guy t boned me, he admits fault. Went to the hospital and got released with a concussion and a stinger. Cop for my statement at the hospital, all I said was the dude jumped the curb and hit me and the rest is a blur.

Took the weekend off work and put a call out to a lawyer, any other tips? Should I follow up with my MD and keep bitching about pain and numbness in my arms?
Oliver Grimfield - Wed, 23 Mar 2016 21:10:55 EST ID:Kd+sUt8p No.45246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not unless you have pain and numbness in your arms. Don't be another suit-happy asshole.
Martin Semmledeck - Thu, 24 Mar 2016 07:10:26 EST ID:SlAUIToa No.45249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yea, I think the concussion should be enough.

Expungement by Cyril Duckworth - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 14:55:20 EST ID:4aU25o/r No.45242 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Have any of you got a case on your criminal record cleared.
I have a misdemeanor violation in California that I am wanting to erase from my record. It happened back in 2011 and all the conditions have been met. I have been calling the courts to try and talk to an ACTUAL PERSON but the phone system in this country sucks (same problem with DMV phone line).
I currently have two forms printed and filled out. One being a Livescan and the other being a Petition for Dismissal.
Now, can I do this through the mail or does it all have to be done in person.
I have no clue what to do next but I have the forms filled out. I don't even know where to send them or if they would cost money. The incident happened in Orange County but now I am over a thousand miles away and don't (can't) really go back until summer maybe.
Any pointers or personal experience doing this?
I also don't wanna hire a lawyer because I am a broke college grad without a job.
Eliza Niggerstone - Wed, 23 Mar 2016 06:30:21 EST ID:JgrhRLWY No.45245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It can't be done through the mail. While it looks like you can e-file your petition, you or a lawyer will need to be there for the hearing.

If you want to do this, just hire a lawyer, it likely will be cheaper than trying to fly out to California, and he's not going to fuck up your filings because yours are almost certainly a mess. For instance, one of the two things you've filled out are irrelevant, and you're missing at least two other documents right now. So you're not off to a good start.

Going plazes by Archie Grandfoot - Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:57:41 EST ID:/K6hiIob No.45236 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's the best place to live at / move to for legal weed?
John Snoddale - Mon, 21 Mar 2016 01:29:53 EST ID:FyPcY6k3 No.45237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
colorado washington alaska
Lillian Tootwill - Mon, 21 Mar 2016 22:49:12 EST ID:ZwixIBj1 No.45240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My non-legal advice is that you should probably prioritize other things first when deciding where to live
Hugh Sellychot - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 04:58:08 EST ID:dvvpEwhV No.45241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Aside, some have been extradited for less than ten bucks of pot for not showing for court many states over. Costing taxpayers massive amounts of money for basically not as much a menace than disorderly conduct public or even public urination.
Cyril Duckworth - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 14:57:44 EST ID:4aU25o/r No.45243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
From what i've seen on Weedmaps, Alaske doesn't seem to have any dispensaries open. What's the deal with that? The legalization is just for personal growing/use? Street selling?
Lillian Dattingchidge - Wed, 23 Mar 2016 03:13:09 EST ID:dvvpEwhV No.45244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Likely person possession growing use. Selling may not be likely. In know Denver has pot shops everywhere. Surrounding areas where you would never think would ever allow them are here and there. A fishing tackle shop we used to go to turned into a pot shop. I liked it either way.

Help by Wirefore - Sun, 20 Mar 2016 00:39:00 EST ID:CBqgSR9k No.45235 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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SWIM got pulled over by the Michigan Police and the found hash oil and paraphernalia. The officer gave SWIM a citation for possession and paraphernalia. What's going to happen to SWIM?
Codes are 9200 and 9201
John Snoddale - Mon, 21 Mar 2016 01:30:57 EST ID:FyPcY6k3 No.45238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
michigan is chill as fuck in terms of weed

youll get off with a fine at the end, as long as the hash oil wasn't considered a felony because some states treat concentrates as felonies
Alice Munkinhet - Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:44:00 EST ID:tUZrRcya No.45239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ive seen people bant from SWIMing

Who sue? by Jack Granddock - Sat, 05 Mar 2016 13:29:24 EST ID:RAFVHlbA No.45194 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Caught my bike wheel in the track space crossing the tracks at the intersection. Who should I sue: BNSF, city, county, Washington state? Or just suck it up and pay for the front end myself. Gotta be able to sue someone.
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Fucking Fammlestudge - Sun, 06 Mar 2016 23:40:10 EST ID:fMN8VXmb No.45197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I read it like he got nailed by streetcar tracks. It happens, and if you're going to cycle where there's a streetcar it's going to happen to you at some point.

No you can't sue anyone you putz.
John Drillygold - Mon, 07 Mar 2016 17:31:11 EST ID:qjF5IEM4 No.45200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Some tacks run parallel. If it is light rail, and tracks change direction without 'reasonable' notice, the if circumstances are or were beyond your control then
get a new wheel and forks.

You can easily sue if this sounds right. What, 200 hundred bucks, get on it fast or repair with your own money.
Phyllis Snodforth - Fri, 11 Mar 2016 02:02:36 EST ID:iaZgKP4L No.45218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Train rails are pretty static.
Oliver Huggleback - Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:35:41 EST ID:zL18aD8q No.45233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you're talking about train tracks chances are you have no recourse, most rail lines have laws about staying x amount of space away from them at all times though intersections are allowed for crossing. Either way, you're trying to draw blood from stone here. Go fix it and move on, this is noones fault but your own.
Nell Sittinghudge - Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:22:07 EST ID:o7mCmSSp No.45259 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lmao @ this thread. i have a evil villain scar from the time my wheel caught a trolley track. i thought i was going to lose my eye. I think it is hilarious that you are thinking of sueing. I won't pass judgement, though, because I am currently in a lawsuit myself with a taxi company whose cab knocked me off my bike. company has since been liquidated so depending on whether or not they were in debt i may get some sort of pay. probably not. it's all a shit circus anyway.

My speedometer wasnt working so i speedmatched the cop in front of me and he pulled me over by Faggy Commerhood - Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:30:14 EST ID:4pG5uhrL No.45210 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Got a ticket for speeding (PA)
How do i file fucktons of pretrial motions to waste the court's time
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Ghengis Dong - Sun, 13 Mar 2016 14:15:57 EST ID:3W8YAKSI No.45224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>No radar no ticket

Local police are not allowed to use radar devices in PA. They rely on speed-traps, and eyeballing based on their relative speed.

A cop's testimony is all that's needed. You can be fined for speeding even going under the limit depending on the road conditions, if a cop says you were driving at an unsafe speed, the judge will side with him 100% of the time. I've been ticketed for reckless driving twice when I had a car get stuck or slid onto the shoulder, the police just found me there 20 minutes later and hadn't even witnessed me driving. PA is fucked dude

That said, it's just a fucking speeding ticket, stop trying to worm out of it and suck it up.
Cyril Gemmleshit - Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:03:33 EST ID:iaZgKP4L No.45226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So speed matching, the officer was speeding? If you speedometer was not working, how would you know how fast you were going? By matching the officers speed. If yes did you happen to be next to him, of did you speed up on him?

If yes your speedometer was not working, is it fixed now. Have a receipt for the cable- or the old broken part cable and receipt for work done on it? Think better than wasting the 'peoples' time. Can be resolved in mere minutes, after waiting of course.
Cyril Chungerspear - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:01:38 EST ID:dERtujz6 No.45229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP here, I lost, started by motioning for a continuance and got shut down- the proceedings were very informal and there was no prosecutor or anything, just me the judge and the officer
he gave his testimony and said he was behind me and paced me that way
I gave my testimony and said that he was in front of me and he corrected his statement to the judge, I had a wtf face at the time but she was like 'whatever, you broke the speed limit so you're guilty.'
do I appeal? an appeal costs 60 bucks to file unless I have "permission to file without paying the fee[...] granted by the common pleas court." how do I make that happen? I don't have the money to pay hte ticket but I don't have the money to file the appeal either, and I don't want to go to court and lose then get stuck with the fees for the lawyer I was against.
Ghengis Dong - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:11:45 EST ID:3W8YAKSI No.45230 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're not going to be granted an appeal you fool. Think of it dude. Cops issued speeding tickets for decades and decades before there existed radar guns or speed traps. Speed-matching is considered valid testimony.

The speeding ticket can't possibly be that much. You can afford to own and maintain a car, how could a speeding ticket for a hundred or so be absolutely impossible to pay? Bring proof of income to your clerk of courts to arrange a payment plan if you must.

You've just got to deal with it.
Clara Droffingchodging - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:14:05 EST ID:cmoEUs69 No.45231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>an appeal costs 60 bucks to file unless I have "permission to file without paying the fee[...] granted by the common pleas court." how do I make that happen? I don't have the money to pay hte ticket but I don't have the money to file the appeal either

At a guess: petition them and make your inability to pay for the appeal known. But don't do that if your idea of not having $60 is having it but preferring to spend it on something other than actual necessities.

Probable cause by Edwin Blatherham - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:41:14 EST ID:UjbgWqDh No.45171 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can probable cause be established and used to get an arrest warrant if there was only 1 person who saw it, and that's the only evidence?
Henry Deckleworth - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 06:27:07 EST ID:JgrhRLWY No.45172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yep. Unless it's a crime that statutorily requires corroboration, like terroristic threats generally does. A witness is all it takes to establish facts before a jury.
Edwin Blatherham - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:46:36 EST ID:UjbgWqDh No.45174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What if it was the person who the crime was committed against? I.e. Dudes shit got fucked with so he blamed a rando?
Edwin Blatherham - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:52:21 EST ID:UjbgWqDh No.45175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And what if the person never knew me or saw me before and is guessing off a Facebook picture?
Eliza Lightwill - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:25:44 EST ID:7Q0ftoED No.45176 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're talking about issues the prosecutor will have at trial. It's all still probable cause
Eliza Lightwill - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:29:28 EST ID:7Q0ftoED No.45177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I should say if they choose to indict it would be. They don't indict every case they have probable cause for, just saying a single witness, even weak, is enough for probable cause.

BattleBoat by Charlotte Davinghood - Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:53:12 EST ID:j6+cNLCc No.45154 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Would it be legally possible to avoid legal responsibility for death at sea by making people sign some papers accepting the risk of being part of a boat cruise where people are pitted against each other in massive brawls?
Thomas Chellershaw - Fri, 26 Feb 2016 19:40:24 EST ID:mZ2odBd3 No.45164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not an expert on the law of the sea by any means, but I have taken a look at some of the relevant UN documents, and it makes me think that there is probably something there that could be used to stop this kind of thing from happening.

Even if there isn't any specific provision that prohibits this, I seriously doubt any state would be okay with people killing each other in the middle of the ocean, and would probably take some sort of unilateral or even multilateral action to put a stop to it. The only way you could MAYBE have some protection would be if you were back by a decently powerful and influential state, or a coalition of smaller states.
David Niggerford - Sat, 27 Feb 2016 00:07:10 EST ID:uLJPOHRz No.45165 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know maritime law either, it's an incredibly complex and nuanced area I have no reason to know anything about.

But I can tell you that there is both criminal penalties and tort liability available for those injured out "on the high seas." See, e.g. 18 USC 7; 42 USC 303. So in general, no you can't do this.
Hedda Senkinson - Sat, 05 Mar 2016 01:30:48 EST ID:CbY8XCvi No.45193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Such papers would must probably be signed within some state's legal system which would forbid it.

IRS by Thomas Worthinggold - Thu, 25 Feb 2016 16:04:17 EST ID:pXcjR5iA No.45152 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If I claimed myself as a dependent, and my mom also did, then how long will it take the IRS to catch us?
Fucking Brazzleforth - Fri, 26 Feb 2016 09:45:17 EST ID:JgrhRLWY No.45153 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You could be audited on the first year, especially if your mom is claiming an EITC. The services loves catching people claiming those when they can't.

false residency on civil job applications by Hugh Blopperfield - Mon, 30 Nov 2015 22:32:39 EST ID:R9Y/jwsq No.44869 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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chances of being caught and charged

Emma Goodridge - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 23:56:46 EST ID:ORTlGTgk No.44962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Your fucked
Sidney Wongermut - Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:31:54 EST ID:aYpMpqpy No.45036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what picture is that of op....
Charles Durringhood - Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:14:08 EST ID:aYpMpqpy No.45140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
where is this pic from? what place is that
Caroline Bloffinglock - Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:08:09 EST ID:/F3JoGGQ No.45141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's from China. Stop bumping this fucking thread.

Criminal Record Application Advice by Angus Crendlestore - Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:45:47 EST ID:8Irkql7o No.45072 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have an issue I'd love to receive some advice on and I decided to post it here because I figured the lurkers of /law/ may be able to give me the most logical advice.

Basically, I have an adult record of 4 misdemeanor charges in a certain county, which isn't the one I currently live in. However, I actually intend on attending University and getting a job in that particular county. The thing is, a year or so has gone by since the arrest and I've since been trying to get the record expunged, as I don't consider myself a career criminal and I'd like for the record to not follow me around for the rest of my professional life.

Of course the process is very difficult and involves mundane fees and paperwork, however, I am still persistently trying to get it all done. After the arrest, I successfully completed a "PTI," like a mini-probation, as I'm sure you're familiar with, being that I had a small amount of required community service hours, drug tests and fees, which was completed in three months. I did receive paperwork stating the program was completed, but there's one form in particular the county told me I needed to continue with the expunction application process: a sealed certified disposition. Apparently, a certain person in a certain department has to get in touch with me in order for it to be printed and sent to me, and this person is saying the case was sealed to their access. The case is closed, yes, after I finished the program, but the charges are not sealed because they are still accessible to the public. The fact that they are still accessible to the public means that I am eligible to apply for expunction, in order to make them not accessible to the public.

Now, my situation is this: being that I want to attend University in this particular county, I recently began the application process for the school and it clearly asks for any CHARGES of a criminal history. Unlike most job applications which ask about convictions, the way this application question was worded clearly is asking for misdemeanor charges and arrests, even if the case has since been closed. However, I know that if I am successful in getting the charges expunged this informat…
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Edwin Diddlestock - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:14:54 EST ID:U23++ADK No.45123 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't listen to these few useless morons, expunging your records they will be sealed from public access. Noting few exceptions. If you missed court and had a bench warrant for arrest theses could 'possibly' be accessed. If a restraining order had been issued by another party. Domestic disputes possible.

Nothing more I can think of from what I see would affect what you are working on.

I see in this you want records to be simply expunged, so you can omit these in furthering yourself
in future choices in employment education, etc. Anybody who wants to further themselves without
unneeded scrutiny following them around should do the same.

As in "have you ever been arrested or charged with a crime." If you feel this will not be accessible by public then by all means you have the option to say no and be safe and leave these infractions behind you. Hence, expunging your records.

So keep on. Good luck in your future goals.
Albert Chusslebanks - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 16:56:26 EST ID:JgrhRLWY No.45125 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This man has no idea what he's talking about.
Fuck Turveyman - Tue, 16 Feb 2016 04:10:55 EST ID:U23++ADK No.45126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>> what am i not understanding about that?

>>Core concepts about what expungement does. It's not a clean slate. Even after it's been expunged, you >>have been arrested.

Explain the core concept of what expungement is intended for. It is essentially a clean slate in the public view. It is even often explained essentially as that in law, clean slate. Say drug courts may allow an expungment, a clean slate if one goes through a program, so it will not interfere with future
Hedda Duckridge - Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:14:28 EST ID:JgrhRLWY No.45127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Expungement seals a conviction from public record. If you are asked if you have a conviction, in most circumstances you can answer that you haven't.

However, it doesn't change the fact you've been arrested. think of it this way: People get arrested and not charged. People get charged and found not guilty. People get found guilty but have their verdict suspended as part of some first offender statute. All of these people have lower levels of culpability than someone who's getting their record expunged, and would all have to admit they have had an arrest. So why would expungement magically erase an arrest too?

Also, more things to consider. In NCIC when you pull records you can see arrests even if they are followed by an expungement. You can generally tell that something was done, it's not clear a conviction followed. I don't remember the exact wording because it's been a year since I've seen one. Do you want someone doing a background check to see an arrest on the background check after you've told them you didn't have one? I know if it was me you'd be rejected instantly, even if it was to work at a car wash.

Also consider, I know this is at a university, i'm assuming public, so the above analysis controls, but private places use private records clearinghouses. These paid services do not generally update their records to reflect expungement. So if you're ever getting a background check by a private entity, not only are they going to see your arrest, they are probably going to see the resulting conviction.

Negative interactions with police interfere with future endeavors. Lying to people and relying on the fact "oh well it was expunged" fucks with future endeavors more. It's simple: unless they specifically say "even if expunged tell us about all convictions," which many background checks do, you can omit an expunged conviction. If they ask if you've been arrested, it's in your best interest to be upfront about it.
Fuck Chummerbury - Thu, 18 Feb 2016 03:31:53 EST ID:U23++ADK No.45139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's really a decision that can affect ones future.

Saying yes is possibly offering your clearinghouses' info that one really does not want to be shared.

What would one really want, denial because of a background check and or being less than informative or, "If yes, describe in full" following them around.

It can be assembled and disassembled in ways that are fully irrational by some, or looked at in a rational manner by others in regards of judging peoples integrity.

Non-disclosure may support integrity if ones intentions and short and long term goals are realistic.

"I talk like this when I'm sober" by Ox - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:05:00 EST ID:WfOLZKTz No.45131 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Charges filed against me (State of Pennsylvania)

75 1786 F - Operation of Vehicle Without Required Financial Responsibility
75 3714 A - Careless Driving
75 3802 A1* - DUI: General Impairment/Incapability of Driving Safely, 1st Offense
75 3802 D2* - DUI: Controlled Substance - Impaired Ability, 1st Offense

A little background first. When the title of my car was transferred into my name, the regisration retained my old address which is on my license (despite my providing my correction to my license that I received from Penndot at the time of the title transfer). Back in the early fall of 2015, I changed insurance providers from Liberty Mutual, to Geico, and then to Travellers in the span of two weeks or so. Insurance providers are not required by law to notify Penndot of when insurance is gained by a policy holder, only when a policy holder is dropped from coverage. Apparently, Geico immediately sends this notification of a drop to Penndot. When I dropped Geico, I picked up insurance with Travellers on the same day. Because of the aforementioned address confusion, Penndot's form they send out to clarify that an individual is maintaining insurance on their operatable vehicle was never received by me. So, I was ignorant to the fact that I needed to fill out any such form, thinking everything was okay, knowing that I was insured and had the proof for it myself.

Fast forward to January 1st, I am pulled over by a local police officer due to a headlight being out. He gives me a warning on that headlight, and alerts me to the fact that there is an "F-stop" on my registration, i.e. I am not currently insured. However, I explain to him how I am, producing my insurance card and neccessary documents, and he gives me ten days to show that i have attempted to rectify the problems. So, I fix my headlight, have my Insurance provider contact penndot, and I report back to him. He understands that im getting it fixed and the matter is resolved to him. Good Guy. Apparently, penndot is incapable of receiving correspondence that is not in the fashion of a form, so despite my having my insurance agent contact penndot via email and fax with an official declaration of me never lapsing in coverage from the t…
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Ox - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:06:18 EST ID:WfOLZKTz No.45133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She then asks me, "Are you responsible for everything in that vehicle?"

I pause.

"are you responsible for everything in that vehicle?"

I look back, then look at her, "Uhh, yes?"

then she asks me "Do you give us consent to search your vehicle?" in this really convoluted tone that is a half rhetorical question half statement, and i ask her, "Is there a penalty if I say no? Will I be treated differently if I say no?" She then alludes to dogs blah blah blah, have your car towed blah blah blah, and I reluctantly say "yes" and she goes and puts me on the curb and proceeds to pull my friends out of the car and question them, then searches them, cuffs my friend in the passenger seat, sit him next to me (he had nothing on him) and then my two friends in the back have their shit taken, weed, paraphernalia. The lieutenant than asks me where my shit is, i tell her. she asks me if i have a scale (LOL) she takes my bowl and weed.

She then gives me a field sobriety test, does the pen test: I follow it with my eyes, not my head, pass it with flying colors, no problem with that one. She then wants me to do the walk-the-line part, and begins stumbling over her own words, starting over with her instructions, telling me to stop at one point, making it sound like i should stop at a different point, tells me to "reverse direction," not "turn around" I ask questions to clarify, blah blah blah. im shaking because its freezing and i had been sitting on the curb in 20 degree with for 15 minutes so my balance isnt the best and theres just so many things that are fucked up with this exposition. i walk the line and am counting but she doesnt tell me to stop. i stop anyway becaues if i didnt i would have walked into her cruiser. I then start walking backwards along the line. it's just stupid. I also heard later that field sobriety tests werent admissable in court.

She then puts me in the cruiser and she and her partner are talking to my friends, and my friend who was in the passenger seat, who admitted to smoking weed, is told he can drive my car and my other friends home (which was alright, cool), but now he's a sober witness to al…
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Ox - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:07:15 EST ID:WfOLZKTz No.45134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So we depart and my friends get off clean. Im in the cruiser and we are speeding toward the local hospital to have my blood drawn since I agreed to have it drawn for a reduced sentencing program. We are literally doing double the speed limit, doing 75-90 miles and hour all the way there. We speed up behind this car and who else is it but my other uninvolved friend, and we ride his ass to the next town. (i see him the next day and he explains how this cop was on his ass) I am told that i cannot speak to an attorney before the blood is drawn, i am told i need to sign this sheet of paper that i felt rushed to sign, i sign it anyway, i get the blood drawn, cuffs go back on, no water or even saltines, i wanted some saltines dammit, and we speed again at outrageous speeds to the police station, where I am proccessed and the whole shebang. ( was never read my rights, i dont know how much that means anymore) My friend picks me up and i drive home after i drop him off at his car.

I asked the lieutenant when i was waiting for my friend to pick me up, if i was driving bad at all, i said i may have fluttered my brakes a little bit. she responded, "youre not the worst ive seen"

once we got into the cruiser after the hospital, She also made a joke about her oaf of a partner enjoying ripping people out of cars, and that if i moved my front-cuffed hands up or around or above the restraints, he would rip me out of the car and throw me on the ground. just minor intimidation, i know it's nothing to get your panties in a wad about, but still.

also, if theyre asking an individual, who is believed by them to be intoxicated, to sign a piece of paper, isn't that a logical catch-22? isn't that fucked up? if you cant allegedly operate a motor vehicle, how can one make legal decisions for themself? it's a fucking sham.

I just want to know what im looking at here and if there is any chance of fighting it.

I have some resources I read up on a little.


I was stopped not due to reckless driving, but to an unrelated investigation related to the F-stop, which I mentioned to the officer and showed proof of insurance. She could have even gone so far as to look at the date of determinancy of a loss of insurance. but she didnt. she wanted that cheap dui and associated drug bust.
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George Fedgedock - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:49:01 EST ID:Kd+sUt8p No.45135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Signing that you've received a ticket isn't a "legal decision."
Ox - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:13:22 EST ID:WfOLZKTz No.45136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wasn't signing anything about receiving a ticket. It was signing off on having my blood drawn in accordance with a program I could enter.

I actually didnt walk away with a singe piece of paper from the police, and i still havent received anything.

I'm expecting a hospital bill for the "voluntary" bloodwork.

Funny enough, I received some mail from three law offices today soliciting me for their assistance, yet I havent seen any mail from the judge's office.

The pa court website says the case was filed on February 9th.
Ox - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:15:55 EST ID:WfOLZKTz No.45137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
additionally, when reading aloud the sheet of paper, the officer said that I waive my rights to plead any other way than guilty by signing it, but I didn't see too much of a choice at the time.

I just don't know what the fuck is happening.


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