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Writers thread by Edward Hacklestock - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:22:13 EST ID:2cqnyO9u No.68150 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How is your writing going /lit/? Anyone here working on something or have any work they want to share? Not poetry, we have the OC Poems thread for that.

I am 2 acts done with a 3 act novel. I have written short stories before, and this is my first long endeavor. I had always lacked confidence, but one day, I suddenly stumbled upon the perfect horror novel just sitting in my mind. Like, it is literally the greatest horror story if this generation. It will go down as The Wire of horror stories for it's brutal look at reality at the bottom of the barrel. But it will also be like Trailer Park Boys and have a cast of lovable losers, who are down and out, living where every day feels like the end of the world, and having that corner of the ghetto become the backdrop for what will be the end of the world for real, with the local stoners and crackheads the last line of defense before an ancient evil reclaims the planet it once ruled a millennia ago. It is not a horror comedy like John Dies At The End, it is straight horror with some comedic moments the way an action movie can have good comedy. I know it will be an insta-classic and probably get a film adaption. As a long time 420channer, I will find some way to get it to you all for free after I find a publisher, since I know this site thrives on piracy, even if I have to pay them for digital downloads for all 3-5 regulars here. Drugs and the apocalypse, it should be right up most of /lit/s alley.
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Augustus Gerringfuck - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:48:25 EST ID:4G/pRGNZ No.70284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>70283
What exactly were you trying to communicate with this?
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Ernest Crungerville - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 06:53:37 EST ID:Ivuktz9u No.70285 Report Quick Reply
>>70284
I'm an artist, I don't owe the public my private intentions. I could have either written the story purely for shock, or could have confessing all my darkest secrets from childhood. The world doesn't have the right to that answer. I just put stuff out there and hope someone responds to it. This one got a clear response.
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Barnaby Weddlepidging - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 08:27:26 EST ID:4G/pRGNZ No.70286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>70285
I see I'm not the first person to call you out for your edgy bullshit.


recccomendations please. by N7IX4 !!aUW3ymB7 - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:48:19 EST ID:S5Rv/Bzy No.69532 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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transgressive, psychedelic horror, post-apocalyptic, nihilistic, and existential literature reccomendations would be muchly appreciated. books or poetry. just need a break from dry research.
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Angus Brurringstit - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 23:33:21 EST ID:A/t5mkUq No.70143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
-The Foundation Pit
Maybe the darkest novel ever written.
-Anything by William Gaddis (esp. J R) and most things by Thomas Pynchon
hard to go wrong.
The Book of Disquiet
Mostly just the well-written journal of a sad loner
-The Third Policeman
IMO this one is very funny, but at least one person I lent it to didn't get it at all; YMMV. If you like this bizarre distinctly Irish lit and are up to a challenge, consider Beckett's Trilogoy.
-Petersburg
one of Nabokov's three "best books of the 20th century"; s'pretty good. From my sub-fluent awareness of Russian, this was probably better in the original, But it's still pretty great. You may be more drawn to his childhood/coming-of-age novel, Kotiv Letaev ("Flying Kitten"), which revolves around a curious little boy and can get a tad experimental with all the vivid imagination and how strongly it defines descriptions of events.
-Today I Wrote Nothing
Daniil Kharms compilation (the translation at least; can't say what it is in Russian). Not incredibly heavy as the others on my recs list, but it's fun and slots well enough into your preferences.
-White Noise
Can't speak for DeLillo's other stuff as I've not read it. WN is a solid novel that epitomizes American postmodernism without requiring 5-10 minutes to read a page like some others might.
-Borges's short stories, on the chance you haven't read them yet
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Isabella Sevingchork - Mon, 18 Jun 2018 01:43:55 EST ID:2TDhwEbz No.70159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nausea - jean-paul sarte
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Isabella Clayfoot - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:40:32 EST ID:IoJZMcWv No.70279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>69532


Words as a Weapon by Jack Billingham - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 04:34:30 EST ID:7Df882Aq No.70126 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm working on a novel that I hope will induce the reader's worldview to permanently darken. While still being an engaging, realistic and enjoyable read, of course. I don't much trust this whole 'grimdark' label and if I wanted shock I'd read fan fiction.

But I'm having a hard time figuring out how this process of fucking up people's psyches will work. I'm quite desensitized; things don't really get to me anymore and haven't for some time. Bradbury could really get me down, and the bits I've read of Camus gave me a taste of the void. I need that man in my life for sure.

So I'm trying to draw from more negative, caustic literature. I plan on purchasing a copy of Carl Panzram's autobiography, and I have already found inspiration in the lyrics of bands like Dystopia and Spitboy, they really explore this sense of outraged disgust that I think can really wear you out morally.

I'm looking for things that aren't just for shock value, or just violence porn. I need an emotional punch, something that'll make the reader feel hatred, that will bother them and encourage them to set aside their personal values. What is this factor x that can induce compassion fatigue in even the casual reader? How do I use fiction to make people more selfish and cruel in their habits and thinking?

Please share any relevant experience you have towards this line of thinking and perhaps recommend any literature you think fits this bill.
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Isabella Fandock - Mon, 06 Aug 2018 06:44:29 EST ID:dGuMtlr0 No.70258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you're still around...

Panzram - You're on the right track, that's an excellent start
Eric Harris's (Columbine shooter) writings
Christopher Browning - Ordinary Men
Iris Chang - The Rape of Nanking
Peter Williams - Unit 731
Dostoevsky - Crime and Punishment (also Notes from Underground would be good also)
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Samuel Drocklefoot - Mon, 06 Aug 2018 13:49:16 EST ID:wkdzb9wX No.70259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_End_of_the_Night
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Eliza Brookforth - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 10:42:23 EST ID:IoJZMcWv No.70276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>70126
Dystopia definitely makes me fucking hate being human sometimes.


Tao Lin Trip by Henry Fabbertudge - Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:28:47 EST ID:vANo5LJY No.70269 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone have a pdf?
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Betsy Hesslefork - Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:48:56 EST ID:4vZzZP5I No.70270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://douploads.com/9zxmy2naka78
I'm sure you can convert it
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James Gemblemere - Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:06:09 EST ID:poakUaRE No.70273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>70270
Brosef thank you so much. I had a feeling someonewould come through on here. You don't really know how happy this has made me thank you!!!
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Cyril Blammerhet - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:58:43 EST ID:d7Oa1Npe No.70275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Since OP got a happy ending, maybe someone will have the /psy/ book I've been looking all over for, pic related.


Can I put atropine eye drop s in my eyes eagerly by Walter Giffingfuck - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:36:06 EST ID:hKKAmGXs No.70202 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Safely*
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Hugh Siddlestit - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:47:28 EST ID:P6n/+9ei No.70209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i predict intense burning and redness. do it for our amusement and report back what happens


bible by Alice Findlehall - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 11:07:55 EST ID:HDHCXJ5a No.69850 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is there a readable version of the bible th
at also is somewhat correct in it's translation?
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George Pockspear - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 21:42:23 EST ID:V40lkqfw No.70167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com all you need to read are the annotations to get the gist
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Buck Strickland - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 01:12:27 EST ID:OULk0ORn No.70196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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just know what you're looking for when you open a Bible. I like the King James Bible, it's all fuckin fire and brimstone and shit. Idk what you mean by correct in it's translation. For the first few centuries of Christianity everybody was convinced Jesus would come back any day now so nobody bothered to write things down. Anything you find is gonna be translated from Aramaic to Greek at the very least, Western Bibles then go from Greek to Latin to whatever language you get the final translation to. You want the old testament stuff, you should look into translations of the Torah. KJB does fine for me.
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Thomas Puffingstitch - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:02:53 EST ID:JbMBxovX No.70203 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>70196
it is like the game "telephone", where the first person's message is garbled by the time it goes down the line to the last person. and then u throw in people in the game who intentionally garble the message for whatever reason

would u stake ur soul on that message, hell no lol


Help? by Ian Huddlesut - Mon, 25 Jun 2018 22:29:28 EST ID:JRP9dMan No.70177 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just started to read The Idiot by Fyodor Dostoyevsky. It takes place during 1868 in Petersburg. I don't know anything about that area or point in history and or where to start with the research required for me to fully appreciate it. I need guidance on how to choose what is most relevant to find out.
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Fuck Hushfuck - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 12:54:10 EST ID:P6n/+9ei No.70188 Ignore Report Quick Reply
idk nigga how about russian history from 1800 to the present thats where i would start
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Nicholas Chesslestet - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 22:22:10 EST ID:JbMBxovX No.70190 Ignore Report Quick Reply
go wit the flo, read it like whatever
we full appreciate when we just reading
'whatever ok this is happening'
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Wesley Sommlelock - Fri, 29 Jun 2018 17:07:14 EST ID:pzzBCzyM No.70192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>70177
St Petersburg has always been sort of the cultural center of Russia (as opposed to Moscow, that's rather more an economical/political center), slavery was ending right around that period, utopian socialism (Fourier) was on vogue in Russia, Dostoievski had gotten out of jail in Siberia shortly before righting this novel, french cultural influence over the educated people was also a big thing, while the working/lower class and specially those who lived far from the city were still submerged in middleage-ish oscurantism and deep orthodox christian beliefs (note how many of higher class characters in dostoievski's novels speak french. Even Dostoievski himself started working as a translator, and translated Balzac to russian). Dostoievski speaks about the unfathomable abyss that rises between these two classes.

The Possesed is a really great book by Dostoievski that tells the political climate of Russia in that period. You could read St Petersburg's stories by Gogol, a short book that was very influential for Dostoievski. Lermontov is also a key author. Obvioulsy Pushkin as well, allthough he's a little bit more boring imo. Lev Shestov is a good philosopher if you want to get into Dostoievski's philosophy. The first half of Notes from the underground also has a pretty explicit take on dostoievski's own philosophy. Bajtin also has a really good book on Dostoievski.


poems that aren't boring/don't suck by Henry Gonnerbutch - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:44:12 EST ID:u8vwe0Ag No.70171 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I don't normally read/enjoy poems but I just read this from an author I like a lot and was blown away
https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/16970664-to-my-friend
If more poems were like this, I'd actually read poetry. Anyone have any trippy/similar poems to recommend?
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Nell Drongersteg - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 10:14:53 EST ID:ylxQEmun No.70174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>70173
So you do read poetry.
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Simon Gettingworth - Mon, 25 Jun 2018 22:33:54 EST ID:y06YYraG No.70178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
check out The Cinnamon Peeler by Ondaatje. He's a great poet imo
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Augustus Pickspear - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 04:08:16 EST ID:4vZzZP5I No.70186 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I enjoyed this poem that the character Bee wrote in Sirens of Titan by Kurt Vonnegut.

Break every link with air and mist,
Seal every open vent;
Make throat as tight as miser's fist,
Keep life within you pent.
Breathe out, breathe in, no more, no more,
For breathing's for the meek;
And when in deathly space we soar,
Be careful not to speak.
If you with grief or joy are rapt,
Just signal with a tear;
To soul and heart within you trapped
Add speech and atmosphere.
Every man's an island as in lifeless space we roam.
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Martial Arts by Ebenezer Crobblestene - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:12:03 EST ID:f95yQ643 No.70134 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So this book I done read "Arts of Strength, Arts of Serenity: Martial Arts Training for Mental, Physical, and Spiritual Health", which is alright, has a pretty comprehensive list of martial arts related books that I'd figure I'd transcribe here.

"The following books are ones I recommend to martial arts students. Most are about traditional budo, but a few are about subjects, such has Zen, that are of interest because of their relationship to budo or bushido. This is by no means an exhaustive list, so students should seek out as many other good books as they can find.

Samurai Painters (1983): By showing the brush works of warriors who were also painters, the authors illuminate several important aspects of their personalities, including heir aility to observe, their passion for life, and their strength of character. A illuminating complement to the written word for learnign about bushido.

The Japanese Art of War (1991): A very well-written treatise on the relationship between martial arts, Japanese culture, and Zen. Because this book is written from an academic perspective, it is more useful as an historical overview than a practical guide to martial arts training, but still an excellent addition to any martial arts library.

Iai: the Art of Drawing the Sword (1981): A charming book on the Mugai style of iaido, illustrated with simple hand-drawn figure that clearly convey the ideas of the author. Craig explains the basics of Mugai-Ryu and also offers a liberal dose of samurai culture through stories of old Japan. Even though this work is not very polished, it communicates the spirit of Japanese swordsmanship well.

Karate-Do: My Way of Life (1975): An autobiography that highlights Funakoshi's martial arts career and his introduction of Okinawan karate to Japan. Easy to read and written in a clear, entertaining style, the stories and advice here are inspirational and decidedly informative for students of any martial art.

Zen in teh Art of Archery (1971): This book has had a great influence on the Western understanding of Zen, and rightfully so. Written by a Westerner trying to grasp the secrets of kyudo, Herrigel details his struggles in a way that gives the reader a vivi…
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Ebenezer Crobblestene - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:48:37 EST ID:f95yQ643 No.70137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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A Comparison of Bushido and Chivalry (1984): A good source of stories about Samurai warriors and lists of warrior virtues, this book is written in awkward non-native English but contains much vital information on budo and bushido.

Japanese Swordsmanship (1986): One of the first and finest books written on iaido in English, by two of the first experts in the field. The book has an extensive historical section, written in Draeger's inimitable style, and a detailed section on the fundamentals of seitei iai. A good educational text for any student of swordsmanship, though probably best for those who are students of the techniques shown.

Sumo (1988): A richly illustrative guide to the msot essentially Japanese of martial sports. Describes techniques and sumo culture, and lists many of the top rikishi (sumo players) of the time when the book was written. Useful for sumo fans and for judoists, who can study the relationship between sumo skills and those used in judo.

Heiho Okugisho: The Secret of High Strategy (1994): A reprinting with translations of writings on strategy in swordsmanship, this collection was first begun in 1571 and modified several times through the yeares. Full of practical advice for the samurai swordfighter, the writings and pictures are evocative of a bygone era.

Hagakure: the Book of the Samurai (1979): An indispensable book for any serious student of Japanese martial arts and culture. expresses, rather than describes, bushido and the samurai culture, and does so in an inspiring way that makes it one of the most important books in any martial artist's library.
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Ebenezer Crobblestene - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:56:48 EST ID:f95yQ643 No.70138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And now a few recommended periodicals...

Aikido Jounral, by Aiki News,
Machida-shi, Tokyo 194 Japan

Aikido Today Magazine, by Arete Press
Claremont, CA

Black Belt Magazine, by Rainbow Publications
Valencia, CA

Fighting Women News
Theodore, Alabama

Furyu: The Budo Jounral, by Tengu Press
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Ebenezer Crobblestene - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 14:15:39 EST ID:f95yQ643 No.70139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Anyways, that's all the author Nicklaus Suino covered. Credit where credit's due. He mentioned his focus was exclusively Japanese martial arts, so i'm sure there's plenty of martial arts from other regions (such as Korean Hapkido or Brazilian JuJutsu) that are worthy of study and exploration.

As far as all of the recommended books, the author highlighted eight essential texts, five books about historical figures who have been important to the development of modern Japanese martial arts, and three pivotal texts written about budo and bushido.

The autobiography of Funakoshi (who laregl created the Shotokan school of karate) in Karate-Do: My way of Life.

Kano Jigoro was the founder of Kodokan Judo, he synthesized his art from techniques found inf early jujutso systems and sumo, his book Kodokan Judo is vital reading.

The legend of Miyamoto Musashi is known throughout Japan and the world. He was a seventeenth-century swordsman who fought over sixty duel with real swords and never lost. It is said that he reached a state of enlightenment through his dedication to sword practice. His advice in A Book of Five Rings is so profound that there is always something in it just beyond the understanding of the student. The best martial artists I know all pick up this book once or twice a year to reread it and consider how its meaning relates to them.

Ueshiba Morihei was the founder of aikido. He is considered one of the great philosohpers of budo, and regardless of whether you study aikido, exposure to his teachings will help your internal development in martial arts. we are extremely lucky to have a fine translation of his teachings by John Stevens, called The Art of Peace, Teachings of the Founder of Aikido.

Another book by Stevens called The Sword of No Sword is about the life and teachings of Yamaoka Tesshu, a Meiji period swordsman, statesman, and perhaps one of the finest calligraphers ever. Tesshu's life exemplified the Zen idea of victory over the self through a robust experience.

The first of the three books that every martial artist must not only read, but totally absorb through years of study, is Hagakure, by Yamamoto Tsunetomo. It is a book written by an old samurai lamenting the passing of the time-honored, traditional ways of bushido.
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Poetry for beginners by Shitting Blytheford - Mon, 28 May 2018 22:04:52 EST ID:ERyV+qkn No.70116 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /lit/ finding myself with a lot more time on my hands these days. I kind of feel like writing again but I want to give poetry a shot this time. Used to write a lot of short stories but I haven't in many years what little I did with poetry was way back in highschool and I remember nothing.

Anyone have some good book suggestions that cover the structure/form of different kinds of poetry, something I desperately need a refresher in. And just recommendations on some poetry collections in general that would be worth reading. Thanks guys.
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Wesley Grandfield - Tue, 29 May 2018 23:38:55 EST ID:bJhEgomS No.70118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>70117
Thank you I will.
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Jack Billingforth - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:25:14 EST ID:f95yQ643 No.70124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ursula K Le Guin wrote some interesting insights about writing, some about poetry: meter and rhythm, called "The Wave in the Mind: Talks and Essays on the Writer, the Reader, and the Imagination". As far as anthologies go, Twentieth-Century American Poetry and The Outlaw Bible of American Poetry are purty cool. Does anyone have any non-American recommendations?
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Jack Billingforth - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:29:25 EST ID:f95yQ643 No.70125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>70124
Oh, there's also Rainer Maria Rilke's "Letters to a Young Poet". Its not about structure or how-to, but more about the spirit and ideas behind poetry and what it is to be a poet. Sry aboot the double post.

>>70117 Thanks also.


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