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Getting Tangled In A Character by Basil Sungerdere - Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:03:45 EST ID:cieK2KtV No.65439 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Ok so I can cut to the chase I am currently reading The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle and am 2/3 of the way through, so please respect this and do not spoil it for me.

Anyway my point of this thread is that I have NEVER seen myself in such a way in a character portrayed in a book as I do in Toru Okada, that is to say before the time he receives the mark on his face and most of the incidents after that.

He is so much like me it is uncanny, he appears normal, not above average or below, but there are weird traits about him and he does weird things. He loves his solitude, he thinks in a similar way to I, his relationship with his wife is somewhat similar to my GF but she has not cheated, I am somewhat passive as he is and seem to have these women around me as friends etc that cause issues. it is very strange and I guess you would have needed to have read the book to understand, but like I said I am not finished.

I do not know how to use spoiler code but I am at the part where he has purchased the plot and using the well with his bat, he has changed a lot mentally and physically, but before that he was like a Japanese copy of me. I work from home so I often just amble around the house toying with ideas and things alone, such in the way his thought processes seem to work. Only he is unemployed.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, great book so far, have any of you felt such a connection to a character in a novel before? Pic unrelated..
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William Hibblehed - Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:01:07 EST ID:aQnoapzQ No.65447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65446
how's it going dude?
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Augustus Blackbury - Sun, 27 Jul 2014 02:33:08 EST ID:9ChiPaf5 No.65449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65447
not good but hey shit happens, nothing to do with my girlfriend that is fine. And this is no lie either, the past couple of days I have heard outside the front of my house a creature making a creaking noise now and again, exactly like in this book, I mean wtf seriously. Coincidences everywhere. I have never heard it before and no I am not just noticing it now because I am subconsciously searching for it, it is a totally alien sound within nature to me, exactly like a creaking or wind up spring. Shits getting weird.
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Caroline Bravingforth - Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:03:05 EST ID:RvXixBmt No.65484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So finished the book and it was a great read I must admit, but I was kind of disappointed with the ending, anybody else feel that way? Some parts of the plot were ultra predictable but others were not and threw me totally.

>8.5/10 would read again
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Phyllis Mammerpodging - Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:29:39 EST ID:MBgg1myW No.65485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65484
I think that I have felt this way before about a book, but strangely I can't remember specifically. Probably because it wasn't the main character I identified with. But I know the strong feeling that accompanies recognizing a conspicuous amount of your own traits and personal quirks in a fictional character. I even found myself feeling the same resolutions the character felt, like if he got over a problem, I thought "Damn, what if this is what I need to do, too?"

So, cherish this feeling, this strong connection with a story. It may not happen again for a while and you're lucky to experience it. =)
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Archie Clayfield - Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:49:28 EST ID:dUeRZlzU No.65486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm finally reading War and Peace and I feel similarly about Pierre. Lack of interest in practical things, head in the clouds, nagging thoughts about the futility of everything...never seen a character like this before. Tolstoy is great.


THE CHOSEN ONE by Isabella Gevingkudging - Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:16:09 EST ID:qHSL/Ik6 No.65269 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Has there ever been a story in the history of writing that fulfilled both of these things:
>involved some prophecy of a "chosen one" or someone just heavily predetermined to be the world's savior through predictions with some basis
>is actually a good story
Pic unrelated
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Shitting Smallson - Sat, 05 Jul 2014 12:32:08 EST ID:rO0V1rVI No.65292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65289
Another good SF series centering around a chosen one and written around the same time is Dan Simmons' Hyperion cantos.
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Sidney Blingerfid - Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:48:49 EST ID:pFLLA1IU No.65348 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The New Testament of the Bible.

:3
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Jenny Bibberhock - Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:49:26 EST ID:djXTyEu8 No.65465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65348

My favorite part is where the apostles brutally murder the couple they accuse of embezzling church funds, to cover Saul's ass.

Julian Invictus.
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Oliver Smalllock - Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:21:10 EST ID:IrSQyLJL No.65469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wheel of motherfucking Time.
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Phyllis Pickway - Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:54:04 EST ID:qUHNWyWy No.65483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65348
Can you really say it's a good thing when they repeat the same thing over four times? That's what they did with the Saw movies


help by Shitting Greenwater - Thu, 24 Jul 2014 04:05:59 EST ID:Is1IAc8y No.65427 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm not a native English speaker and i was wonder why the A in alien haves the long vowel sound and A in abrasive haves the short vowel sound?
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Ebenezer Pashsure - Fri, 25 Jul 2014 00:26:38 EST ID:OkYHUJ3W No.65437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65435
> On a good day I can pass myself off as a native
American? Brit? I'm curious. If you don't want audiobooks, podcasts are always an option. The BBC puts out a TON, and their accents are cool
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Thomas Clovinghall - Fri, 25 Jul 2014 05:01:35 EST ID:urCPnRS/ No.65438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ayy lmao
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Fanny Pabberson - Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:51:05 EST ID:FFa5je+d No.65442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65437
upper middle class Brit, mostly.
I've learned quite a few coloquialisms, but it's mostly internet slang, and lower class brit-speak is hard as fuck innit so I end up sounding rather pathetic when I try emulating it. Some goes for the hvery posh stuff.
I can do a southern american accent, but not all that well, and far from sounding natural. The rest of american accents elude me. sounds like everyone's constantly chewing gum, so who'd want that anyway

Why were you asking? You a filthy foreigner too, m8?

And yea BBC Podcasts are golden. Click and Science in action are the shit, man.
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Walter Niggerham - Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:10 EST ID:I1QOoCIZ No.65481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65442
American accents sound to other people like we're chewing gum?[/%] What does chewing gum make you sound like?

I find that of the American accents, southern is the funniest, except for maybe a thick North Midwestern. You know, like Pickles on Metalocalypse. I personally speak with an inland Northern American accent, which I don't notice but people here in Florida who are also from Buffalo constantly recognize.
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Walter Niggerham - Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:12:24 EST ID:I1QOoCIZ No.65482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65481
Apparently I can't italic right

nb


Life changing books? by Nell Blackway - Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:25:53 EST ID:1JrHDYi+ No.63325 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Depressed about spending another Halloween by myself, I'm inclined to spend the night getting stoned and reading something that could potentially help improve my sad existence. Any recommendations? Doesn't have to be of the self-help genre, could be a metaphorical tale or what have you.

Specifically I'm a reclusive loner who's never had any friends and I'm looking for something to either help overcome that or to come to terms with it.
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Walter Blatherwell - Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:51:10 EST ID:/9RDsOVV No.65457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65452
can you possibly explain their views on consciousness for the layman?
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Martin Buzzham - Wed, 30 Jul 2014 02:24:07 EST ID:vQ6et2x3 No.65468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65457
This is what I got from reading GEB by Hofstadter; if someone thinks I'm wrong, please tell me because I'd like to know if I'm not entirely grasping the ideas.

Much of the book is explaining Goedel's incompleteness theorem. The idea behind this theorem is that no system capable of performing all functions is complete (I'll explain this more). The way Goedel derived this theorem is based on the Principia Mathematica, which was an attempt to prove all of mathematics in one system, derived only by logic. So the idea here is that you could put any math equation into this system, even ones humans couldn't comprehend, and it would come out with the correct answer. One interesting way this was used in the book was proving Zen koans using logic; the system came out with the correct answer, even when there was seemingly no correct answer ("If you say something, I chop off your head; if you say nothing, I chop off your head;" the system said to do nothing and that was the correct method in the Zen story).

What Goedel did was code self reference into the Principia Mathematica (Hofstadter's system in the book that can supposedly prove all mathematic functions is called TNT). I don't know how Goedel did this himself, but Hofstadter demonstrated it by making the numbers in TNT have a specific meaning (310 would mean 'p' or 301 would mean '~', which were all symbols in this specific system of logic. So the number 301,310 would mean 301,310 but it would also mean, on a metamathematical level, ~p (in TNT '~' means 'not' and 'p' is a variable). So Goedel did this and on a metamathematical level made the system say "This function cannot be proved in the Principia Mathematica," similar to saying something like "This statement is false."

So the point of all that explanation is, Hofstadter likens the mind to a system in this aspect, that any one way of doing things is going to be incomplete, and it is impossible to break out of this. Whether this can truly be applied to the mind or not remains to be seen, but it is a very interesting idea nonetheless (and personally I'm kind of inclined to go along with i…
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Nathaniel Billingstock - Wed, 30 Jul 2014 23:47:05 EST ID:MBgg1myW No.65476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65468
Wow... is it not a book for the layman then? I'd interested in reading it, but you are talking over my head a bit here. Is that a bad sign?
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Hedda Surringfuck - Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:30:27 EST ID:vQ6et2x3 No.65478 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65476
I'm not sure man; I just condensed a 750 page book into three paragraphs, so that could have a lot to do with it. He gives so many examples and takes it so slowly that if you want to figure it out, you should be able to figure it out. It's not really something you can just passively absorb though (at least for me it wasn't); you have to engage with it.
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Esther Dobblechere - Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:47:59 EST ID:OkYHUJ3W No.65479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65468
I think you got it. Although the math isn't the the whole part of the book. There's also all the musings/observations on recursion in general. He uses Bach as an example of someone using recursion for the humanities. And he uses Escher as a great visual representation for the oddities of axiomatic systems.

>>65476
GEB is tough, and it's very easy to lose track of what he's getting at. It's enjoyable, though. The chapters are broken up with little dialogs between a tortise and a rabbit. There's a lot of humanity in the book.

I heard that I Am a Strange Loop is much more straightforward in its approach.


Ed Abbey by James Tillingford - Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:48:49 EST ID:uE63ouKO No.65475 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does /lit/ have an opinion on Ed Abbey?

I finished reading Desert Solitaire, which came into my hands from a friend who thought it was something I needed to read. He was right. A lot of Abbey's ideas and personal philosophy just seem to hit the mark.

Basically the book is about his time as a park ranger in southern Utah in the US; the loneliness, man and nature, old stories of the land itself, experiencing nature as it is, etc. as well as questioning the national park service and 'progress'. His descriptions of the desert and the scarcity of life found there are, I think, beautiful.

Would like to know what you guys think. Here I think is his most well-known quote:

“One final paragraph of advice: do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am - a reluctant enthusiast....a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here. So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for a while and contemplate the precious stillness, the lovely, mysterious, and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this much; I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies, over those desk-bound men and women with their hearts in a safe deposit box, and their eyes hypnotized by desk calculators. I promise you this; You will outlive the bastards.”


College Books by College Books - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 02:07:06 EST ID:DF2PQbO6 No.65300 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So anybody know where to download college books on the hush hush. Basically I don't have several hundred dollars to spend on books.
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College Books - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 02:17:53 EST ID:DF2PQbO6 No.65301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
nevermind.
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Nathaniel Sabberfield - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 04:40:33 EST ID:9W18pkF/ No.65302 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65301
QUITTER
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Nigel Hindleford - Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:36:19 EST ID:JL4udUGb No.65353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He gave it the old college try
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Jenny Bibberhock - Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:35:45 EST ID:djXTyEu8 No.65466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://avaxsearch.net/
thepiratebay.org
irc.undernet.org #bookz

Didn't there used to be a sticky with these? Or am I such an oldfag I suck dick?
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Graham Clallerhune - Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:33:07 EST ID:Ex0m/vcU No.65473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65300
just don't go to college

it will benefit you tremendously


lesser-known sci-fi by Priscilla Grandville - Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:32:53 EST ID:2Gmps0IH No.65372 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anybody got any sci-fi novel recommendations which are off the beaten track?
Something less known from Asimov, Clarke and PKD etc., that you may have read and would recommend that no one else really seems to read.
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Girly !Me3zULnuD. - Thu, 24 Jul 2014 12:16:54 EST ID:WQKEXhyp No.65433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Can't find this book anywhere, been looking or it for months.
Without giving any spoilers, is there anyone who's read it who can tell me what they thought?
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David Blatherville - Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:14:47 EST ID:qrD4Aml/ No.65453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The last legends of Earth by AA Atanasio

Amazing book, well worth reading.
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David Duzzlewill - Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:13:37 EST ID:eV7+dFYz No.65458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everybody knows about Frank Herbert's Dune, but it turns out he's got some other novels, which are even weirder.

Try Hellstrom's Hive, it's about people who emulate ants in every possible regard.
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Phineas Fazzleshit - Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:19:49 EST ID:86kBrTnV No.65460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65373
Also recommending The Forever War, one of my favorite sci-if novels of all time.

I guess it's not terribly obscure, but the Ringworld series by Larry Niven is a good read, if feeling a bit dated at times.
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Jenny Bibberhock - Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:52:12 EST ID:djXTyEu8 No.65472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
William Tenn has some classic short stories that hollywood borrows from all the time.

Alot of Astounding Science fiction is good, if just to see the sheer number of innovations that actually exist today - and the ones that don't.

Gene Wolfe's Soldier in the Mist has promise.

Michael Moorcock is great as well in all of his fiction. He practically invented the steampunk genre.

Fuck, there's so much I'm forgetting. Parents were english grad students, so in my early years I read so many books I can't remember or haven't been able to find by paraphrasing keywords.

So much of my life is a collection of thoughts and phrases with no attribution...


Ray Kurzweil by Frederick Clunderbanks - Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:31:07 EST ID:urCPnRS/ No.65419 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Tell me about him, are his books worth getting into?
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Hugh Semblemure - Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:15:33 EST ID:rcj9dD46 No.65459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65419
Meh, it's been a while since I actually read "the singularity is near" or whatever the duck it's called, but since then there have been many people coming out of the woodwork to explain why he is full of shit.

If nothing else he puts forth some really interesting ideas, would recommend.


Poetry by Shakey Graves - Tue, 15 Jul 2014 19:08:12 EST ID:iN9BwkEf No.65369 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I know there's already an OC poetry thread, but I'd be interested to hear some of /lit/'s favorite poets (old and new) and suggest some great poetry collections.

I'm a big fan of spoken word, I've lately been listening to Jack Kerouac's first album (I think it's his first...) this is my favorite track off of it, October in the Railroad Earth...very beautifully written.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjPZpaXNsw
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Sophie Niggerwill - Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:50:14 EST ID:IanDii+Z No.65380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm actually listening to that album right now. There are others. There's even a compilation of tributes

sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM9RDYUbtOI
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Fucking Sinderway - Fri, 18 Jul 2014 04:09:19 EST ID:cSBUAqaY No.65386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Omar Khayyam's Rubaiyat <<<<< This is mandatory reading
Any collection of Jorge Luis Borges poems
Rainier Rilke, Sonnets to Orpheus
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Lillian Brimblehall - Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:02:11 EST ID:aQnoapzQ No.65403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65375
Gracieux Fils de Pan! Autour de ton front couronné de fleurettes et de baies, tes yeux, des boules précieuses, remuent. Tachées de lies brunes, tes joues se creusent. Tes crocs luisent. Ta poitrine ressemble à une cithare, des tintement circulent dans tes bras blonds. Ton coeur bat dans ce ventre où dort le double sexe. Promène-toi, la nuit, en mouvant doucement cette cuisse, cette seconde cuisse et cette janbe de gauche.

>>65386
imma read these.
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Priscilla Cluffingwater - Mon, 21 Jul 2014 11:06:39 EST ID:qrD4Aml/ No.65411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
William Blake is my favourite poet. This thread reminded me I should read more poetry, so I've just bought a collection of Blake's poems to read on the train.
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Caroline Wondlekeck - Thu, 24 Jul 2014 22:57:46 EST ID:f+psK8OD No.65436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want to post this poem by Octavio Paz because I really like it.

>A Boy and a Girl

Stretched out
Stretched out on the grass
a boy and a girl.
Savouring their oranges, giving their kisses
likes waves exchanging foam.

Stretched out
Stretched out on the beach
a boy and a girl.
Savouring their limes, giving their kisses
like clouds exchanging foam.
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FUCK THESE PEOPLE by George Cluggleville - Wed, 09 Jul 2014 03:28:13 EST ID:hJQFMfbv No.65317 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Fuck plot-obsessed readers. I mean, like, people who criticize parts of stories that aren't "moving the plot forward in any way."
Or advancing the story. Or affecting the plot in any sort of way.

As an example, this is from a /lit/ post about "smut"
>Well ignoring that it is a definition to describe a "dirt" or "fungus", it is commonly used to define material that uses sex, violence, and/or vulgarity for the sake of just having it rather than using it to drive the plot of a story.
I understand, sex that doesn't drive the plot might be considered stupid attention-grabbing by horny readers.
But you know what? Fuck you.
GRRM addresses his critics who've commented on his large descriptions of foods.
Essentially, he told them,
>if you want to just read a story for plot, go read sparknotes
So yeah
Tl:dr
I'm tired of people getting mad over extra events or details that don't necessarily involve themselves in driving the plot forward or impacting later events in some way.
Fuck you guys.
It's a fuckin story.
Next thing you know you'll have people complaining over side-quests in video games
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Nicholas Honeyford - Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:49:51 EST ID:LwsNyNA8 No.65357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65355
that could be looked at as implying that a story is not about soaking in the atmosphere, or that a book isn't about being able to spend time with the characters you love when they are just hanging out having fun wasting time.
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Rebecca Subblepot - Sun, 13 Jul 2014 05:30:17 EST ID:HqsvgOU+ No.65358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65346
It's not, the preferred choice would be "autistic", but I feel like calling OP that would be giving him too much credit.

>>65347
I might be dumb, but I'm not "I'm gonna make a counterargument to something that hasn't been said" dumb. Or "I'm going to start attributing this imaginary argument to anybody who disagrees with me" dumb.
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David Bracklehet - Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:57:31 EST ID:7f1lcwnC No.65360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65355
So Tolstoy is not a good writer in your opinion?
Nor Huxley, Scholokhov, Marquez, etc., to name just the first few whose works have long digressions, and not to mention authors whose works don't really have any plot? Is 1001 nights in your opinion one of the worst story compilations ever, because of all the embedded digressions?

You have some really narrow standards for literature. The written word is much richer and wider in potential than what you're looking for in it.
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Basil Duckbury - Thu, 24 Jul 2014 12:48:13 EST ID:ZfjVu1CF No.65434 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I find it entertaining how so many people on a literature board completely fail at reading comprehension for the sake of arguing with strangers on the internet.

Anyway, yeah OP I'm inclined to agree. It's all about world building! It can turn mediocre writing into an enjoyable, meaningful experience (I'm looking at you Harry Potter). Yeah, sometimes the descriptions can feel a bit dry and tiresome, but if you stick with the material it becomes apparent very quickly why the author bothered with said lengthy descriptions.

Personally, I feel that people who can't stand these sections of literature are better off watching the inevitable film or TV adaptation. I don't say that as a judgement of value, it's just how some people are wired. "A picture says 1000 word," yadda yadda you know the deal.

Some people seem to lack visual imagination, so these world building scenes just don't do it for them. Think of it as an artist that can only draw what he or she sees, unable to conjure something in their mind's eye.
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Walter Blatherwell - Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:37:49 EST ID:/9RDsOVV No.65462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Journey to the west by Nicholas Honeyford - Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:45:28 EST ID:LwsNyNA8 No.65356 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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this is a journey to the west thread

I recently saw the new movie thought it was not only fantastic but amazing in its remixing of the story that i first read in print.

I've been watching the 2011 television show. And trying to find the various copies of the books in my dad's house. What are LIT's opinions and experiences and knowledge and anything you might have on journey to the west.
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Reuben Pullyfield - Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:07:02 EST ID:UOIvDklz No.65384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bump pls
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William Havingberk - Sun, 20 Jul 2014 00:24:26 EST ID:tbPfsZYR No.65402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The greatest Book in the fucking planet with the worlds most baddasss hero!!!


Culture novels? by James Cerringwill - Tue, 15 Jul 2014 01:12:12 EST ID:9dz5z6hy No.65366 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just accumulated the first 6 of Iain Banks's Culture novels. I've only read the Wikipedia entry outlining the series, ie, that it chronicles all sorts of different stand-alone stories in a shared universe, that it's a space opera that doesn't even TRY to be scientifically accurate, and that it has a healthy dose of humor and satire. Anyone else read these? Any ones I should skip? Which books are the best? Thoughts in general?

I'm just excited as fuck to start 'em. Gotta finish the last Farseer trilogy, then get to these bastards here.


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