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Musings on Moral Lessons In Science Fiction by Whitey Nickleville - Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:52:56 EST ID:djXTyEu8 No.66660 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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We've all read those bits of stories, where the awesome and cool innovations always seem to go hand in hand with breaches of nineteen-fifties propriety.

One case that particularly stands out for myself is that of the Spacers in Asimov tradition. I recall in one of the books they had a bleeding heart spacer talk about the tragedy of genetically enhanced living, in that it made his daughter want to have sex with him. The logical byproduct of technical (robots) and biological innovation is incest! The only safe avenue of study happens to be psychology, which will one day rule the world; please continue to publish me oh supreme cult like future overlords.


That's pretty much my whole beef with Asimov.
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Clara Gumbleway - Fri, 06 Feb 2015 00:02:29 EST ID:JHSbXgM+ No.66662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i felt the need to seek out and post this image
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Betsy Dattingpere - Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:52:23 EST ID:H0Qy6Tgn No.66663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>That's pretty much my whole beef with Asimov
Dude that ain't beef, that's a slice of ham

In pretty much every other Asimov novel he has robotics and technology as the things that enable utopia, why get upset over the one time he decides to throw in a drawback?
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Doris Hicklefoot - Sun, 08 Feb 2015 01:08:33 EST ID:w+wWDd3o No.66670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66662
Hehehehe. That was pretty good.

Unfortunately I have nothing else to say here
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Poopster - Thu, 28 May 2015 15:22:10 EST ID:mddVA7Uo No.67146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I love science fiction.
I hit random thread button to hydrostorm in your thread.
but before i do, may I suggest "deathday" by peter hamilton?

HYDROSTORM!!!!
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Albert Boffingville - Thu, 28 May 2015 16:27:05 EST ID:Ik2pzKKX No.67147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66660
Oh, you crazy people from 1950's

>incest is bad
>blind people are powerless
>once women get to work society will collapse
>taking hormones of opposite gender makes you a murderous ABOMINATION
>muh Utopian future with no religion


LET'S GET THEORETICAL by Sidney Benderhood - Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:56:36 EST ID:/ptWfy36 No.66957 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I know a lot of ya'll m'fuckas write. I do too. But I'd like to read about writing, get the hang of the theory part of it. Because I know there must be shit loads of stuff I can't get just from fiction (because I'm dum) in regards to things like character development, story arch, how to hande dialogue.

And no, I'm not looking for a how-to-write-a-novel-for-dummies, more of an exploration of different literary techniques that have been used effectively through out the history of the craft.

So yeah, recommend me books on that, please. At the moment I can't go study literature, so this'll have to do.
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Ian Gubberchut - Thu, 14 May 2015 12:04:49 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67057

Seeing as no one responded I will continue with my questioning: How should one attribute dialogue? Is it poor form to have "He said, she said," every other line? I understand that if voicing is done right, the audience should be understand who is the speaker and who is the recipient, yet that is not always the case.
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Whitey Pivingman - Thu, 14 May 2015 15:27:49 EST ID:6GxNm1/Q No.67064 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67063
In the beginning, I would just write and not be concerned with getting everything perfect. To be a good writer, fuck up a little at first. It is better to generate content than to spin in circles afraid of doing it wrong. People will say the opposite, too, that it is better to read nothing than to read crap, or it is better to write nothing than to do it wrong - but I think, in all ways, one should just go for it.

Practice your voice and most importantly: share it with others so they can give you feedback.
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Phyllis Braddlehall - Mon, 25 May 2015 17:30:11 EST ID:/ptWfy36 No.67125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>67061
Worth reading? The quotation on the cover makes it sound like all kinds of putrid bullshit.
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Cyril Chenkinridge - Tue, 26 May 2015 22:31:53 EST ID:nLo0HEpM No.67131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67064
>It is better to generate content than to spin in circles afraid of doing it wrong.

not him, but I'll follow your advice

I tried creative writing two months ago, after a long break, and failed.
Written few dozen pages, thought it's not good enough, re written it to be 3x longer, thought it not good enough, frustrated and gave up

Every time I try writing fiction
Every time

Maybe I should chill out?
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Samuel Cimbleworth - Wed, 27 May 2015 15:03:59 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67064

That's how PKD wrote most of his early works, though the amphetamines surely helped.

He admits he didn't really learn to write until his editor sat down with him and forced him to write better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFhsDUAZ6Co


Pecent rurchases by Phoebe Mudgedadge - Tue, 12 May 2015 00:39:49 EST ID:zxkMQNfc No.67049 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Pecent rurchases thread
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Walter Crurringhood - Sat, 16 May 2015 15:04:36 EST ID:xdkqzYI5 No.67079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>67077
lol what the fuck. fifty dollars in books i would expect hard bound illustrated multiple volumes. a fucking used paper back for more than like five dollars is retarded. and honestly i think buying books in general is dumb now that we have internet but whatever, not like euclid needs the cash
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Esther Smallfoot - Tue, 19 May 2015 23:17:14 EST ID:UVsx3WID No.67095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67079

i hate to sound elitist, but i cant read books on like a kindle or e-reader or whatever, i need the physical thing to be-able to read it.

and yeah $50 bucks for a paperback is pretty up there, i hope its like some first edition outofprint book.
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Edward Bliblingmet - Sat, 23 May 2015 21:46:51 EST ID:rLs8F6gO No.67109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I bought the complete works of H.P. Lovecraft for 99 cents on my Kindle recently. Loving it.
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Faggy Habberstock - Sun, 24 May 2015 05:37:18 EST ID:h6iZhy6L No.67111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67109
Kindles are great. Until they break. Paperbacks are pretty unbreakable, Kindles are fragile in comparison.
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Cornelius Suttinglere - Sun, 24 May 2015 09:58:18 EST ID:sp7SMNwG No.67113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67111
but, you can read Kindle on pc too!


Self-Publishing by Death Huxley - Wed, 20 May 2015 10:44:26 EST ID:8SMBC5Rg No.67096 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I wrote a book this year that I've been sitting on until I get it published. Is there a way I can do it myself? Perhaps maybe online?
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Cedric Grimwell - Wed, 20 May 2015 11:56:35 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Check out http://pred-ed.com/

It's a website by beat writers for beat writers. Contains a review of every agent and publisher that has been reviewed by the community. Will tell you which ones are scams and should be avoided, which ones actually pay money, etc.

Generally speaking it's easier with a smaller press, especially if they decide to use you as their flagship like Black Sparrow did with Bukowski. You should still be putting out feelers for agents, regardless.
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Cedric Grimwell - Wed, 20 May 2015 11:59:02 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67097

One should generally attempt to be published by someone else, or at least be willing to market a work for a period of years.

The only valid reason for self publishing is to maintain creative control. If you were writing controversial and politically incorrect philosophy for example, yeah maybe self publish.
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Death Huxley - Wed, 20 May 2015 12:11:01 EST ID:8SMBC5Rg No.67099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67097
this seems like a good resource, but it's really confusing me at the moment.
Is there a good step by step guide on how to contact agents and publishing houses?
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Cedric Grimwell - Wed, 20 May 2015 14:38:30 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67099
There used to be, it's not web 2.0 so you might have to actually look for things.


The Winds of Winter by Edward Brookbanks - Sun, 17 May 2015 04:32:42 EST ID:6GxNm1/Q No.67086 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So if anyone is reading the books and watching the show at the same time, you know that the show has begun writing ahead of the novels, or the show is coming up with its own material, or taking creative liberties, who knows. I thought it'd be fun to talk about what we're seeing on HBO and what that might mean for The Winds of Winter.

Or any other speculation about The Winds of Winter and the Song of Ice and Fire universe in general.
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Phoebe Sabberlock - Mon, 18 May 2015 16:56:38 EST ID:ta4EK9n8 No.67091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65536


Does a word exist for this? by Simon Pickdock - Fri, 08 May 2015 05:25:33 EST ID:6sHjAW3y No.67022 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I open the thread here because I expect to find people who know the most words.

Does a word exist for having prejudices against people with little experience?
Like a racist has a prejudice against people with a race they think is worse than their own, but it's just different.
Sexists are against people with a gender that they think is worse than their own, but it's just different.
What's the word for people who are against people with a level of maturity that they think is worse than their own, but it's just different?

Cronus came to mind, as he hate his children, but cronism is used for animals who literally eat their young. What I'm talking about is not quite so literal. It can take more subtle forms, like dismissal, exclusion, or outright hate and stigma.

Apprenticism? Learnism? Experiencism?

I don't know, does it exist?
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Eugene Drollergold - Sat, 16 May 2015 19:04:53 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
History is full of examples of expert bias. Contemporaries over estimated the chances of the Confederacy's victory, due to having the most experienced generals. Yet the war was won through innovation in total war economy, not classical Napoleonic theory.

Germany in WWI, granted enormous power to the old generals Ludendorff and Hindenburg, going so far as to allow them to control the government. Here's a double error, the mistaken belief that expertise in one field translates into expertise in other fields, as well as the erroneous reliance on tried and true methods, at a time the fundamental rules of warfare were being rewritten.
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Archie Hunningtatch - Sun, 17 May 2015 01:54:54 EST ID:6sHjAW3y No.67084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67076

Thinking that an inexperienced person is worse at the field he's inexperienced at than a person who does have experience is a reasonable assumption.
Thinking that this inexperience makes him worse like as a person, is retarded. And that's what I'm trying to define.


>>67082

From that list, it seems as a form of anchoring: relying on the professional/educational experiences of a person to judge his character too, even though experienced and inexperienced people come in all shapes and sizes.
It's not translated as a "ism" though. I mean, even racism is a kind of anchoring.
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Archie Hunningtatch - Sun, 17 May 2015 02:00:13 EST ID:6sHjAW3y No.67085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67083

Your WWI example is a good case for what I'm talking about. It's like an invasion of space by trust, the thought that it can translate from one field to another. I still don't know how to call it though.
It's broader than expert bias though, because in what I'm talking about the trust doesn't just extend to a judgement about other abilities, but on character too.
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Alice Smallcocke - Sun, 17 May 2015 20:22:09 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67088 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67084

Interesting. I find it difficult to believe crowdsourcing the question hasn't come up with the answer yet.

Perhaps we ought to broaden the criteria to include idioms.
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Alice Smallcocke - Sun, 17 May 2015 20:51:44 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Broadening the search away from Greek or Latin terminology confounds us with verbosity. The funny thing is, despite having more words, some idioms are actually around the same number or less syllables than you would expect from a comparable Greek or Latin term. For example:

>闭门造车 (bì mén zào chē) is used to refer to someone who “closes their door and builds a cart,” which means to attempt a task that one has no prior knowledge of while disregarding the advice of experts.

So we want something that's rather the opposite of that, but instead of task oriented, is trust oriented.

A hypothetical (and shoddy) rework might go along the lines of: "opens their door, and kills their heart." 开门杀心 kai men sha xin (xin referring to both heart and mind)

But I just made that up on the spot, and it's only intelligible to the 1/6 of the world who have heard the older idiom.

A little more research might find a more pertinent and prior example.

I understand you were looking for something in English, but I've been intrigued enough to try to find any reference at all. English is convenient in that if we find a concept in a different language group, we can simply borrow it ;).


Bible, by unknown authors by Nigger Fenderwut - Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:41:22 EST ID:t4vePJek No.66776 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Finished reading this today. What a load of garbage! Not only the book itself is edgy lord of the rings/50 shades of gray ripoff, it comes with a spin-off where jewish superman saves the world by killing himself. I have never read anything this retarded before, yet this is apparently the most sold book worldwide? What kind of plebeian without any self respect do you have to be, to recommend this book to anyone?
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Clara Blytheham - Thu, 07 May 2015 21:54:06 EST ID:NqRZ6Jvq No.67019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66776
Lol. This post reminded me of GCSE RE, where one of the arguments for one of the stories actually happening was the description of the grass being green. No fucking joke that was actually worth a mark.
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Shit Dartgold - Fri, 08 May 2015 10:59:27 EST ID:tvxUL/RF No.67027 Report Quick Reply
the symbolism, metaphor and allegory in it are simply genius, you can take it to mean anything you want, and it just has a good moral to a lot of the stories, or at least the anti-thesis and you'll learn to do the opposite of that. I think it has a lot of cool ideas and lessons and stories in it even if you don't believe in super powers and magic. Must more well-written than 50 shades and Harry Potter.
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Frederick Banderford - Fri, 15 May 2015 18:13:06 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>67027

Are you kidding me? Good morals? These blowhards don't have any morals whatsoever. They need a hierarchical will to dictate to them right from wrong.

Thucydides has just as much rape and pillage, and yet you never get the impression that the people doing the raping and pillaging had any illusions about what they were doing. That's what gets me. In the Bible the ENTIRE STORY is dedicated to justifying the bullshit these niggas pull.

Even Homer shows sympathy for the other. The Bible shows no sympathy for anybody. The bible sounds like it was written by a sociopathic goat fucker with hemorrhoids.
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Rebecca Grimhall - Sat, 16 May 2015 04:51:39 EST ID:hPdpNzU4 No.67075 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67027
Morals from bible
  1. Desire nothing
  2. Breed

Other then that it's a great read, same as what Muhammad wrote
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Eugene Drollergold - Sat, 16 May 2015 16:57:01 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Even if we disregard the Old Testament, the New Testament is an affront. Christianity takes the very old concept of universal love, and immures it, such that only God or his manifestations become capable of it. It alienates human beings from the concept of love they themselves created, and grants it to God. Jesus could not possibly have been a man, only a divinity could have such compassion for others.

Such implications do not do justice to the many cultures who have gifted the western world with such aphorisms. How dare they sacrifice our cherished ideals on this altar of blood and flesh?


DUNE by Jarvis Nirrywill - Wed, 08 Apr 2015 12:41:14 EST ID:/IQb/air No.66913 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just finished this book and am curious what you may think the sequels.
I may come back to the series later so I don't get burned out.
This book was one hell of a ride, and I don't think I'll be able to look at classic science fiction media the same.
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Deagle brand deagle - Mon, 11 May 2015 09:31:01 EST ID:6+sf1LC3 No.67048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66913
Don't listen to
>>66922
>>66928

The prequels were great. They are slightly more simple but a lot more action packed. Its dune just written in a way to make the newer generations like it a little more. Die hard fans of course will get jimmies rustled.

I loved Butlerian Jihad and Machine crusade. The characters, many plot-lines that all converge together... Plus the fleshing out of the back-story to dune that was never fully detailed.
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Cyril Fepperstock - Tue, 12 May 2015 14:10:46 EST ID:yDOBBlzv No.67053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67048
>They are slightly more simple but a lot more action packed. Its dune just written in a way to make the newer generations like it a little more. Die hard fans of course will get jimmies rustled
Dude, Dune was written in the 60's. Even today's middle-aged are "the newer generation".

>The characters, many plot-lines that all converge together
Lol hardly, and when they do it's so utterly contrived.

You know what sucks about the Machine Crusade most though?
Authors couldn't figure out how to end it, so they just killed all the main characters off.
I read that book a decade ago and I'm STILL mad.
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Fucking Trothood - Wed, 13 May 2015 11:40:40 EST ID:b3bah97m No.67058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67053

Considering the work was set in the distant past, that spoiler ought to be taken as a given.
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Charles Sovinglat - Thu, 14 May 2015 07:57:51 EST ID:nzh7lAOi No.67062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I only got into Dune about seven years ago. After reading the first one I read the others as soon as I could get my hands on them. I've read them all and I am working on getting them all for my bookshelf. My recent addition is The Road to Dune and it's an interesting read to see Dune before how we know it to be.

The books by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson aren't as good but they're still entertaining.

If I had to pick a favorite it might be God Emperor. I think of all my Duncans I approve of you the most
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Beatrice Pellyhall - Fri, 15 May 2015 09:57:27 EST ID:umSle0nx No.67071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE


confessions of a sociopath by Charles Gaggleban - Thu, 07 May 2015 22:42:16 EST ID:bEZsM3Ys No.67020 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I bought this book the other day and felt it was the dryest, boring ego stroke I've ever tried to read.

I mean, kudos to the author for capitalising a subject so many people seem to be interested in - brilliant; I wasted money on it.

but fuck. So. Dull.

>itt: we discuss shit books you had hopes for but failed to deliver
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David Gondlefan - Fri, 08 May 2015 03:46:38 EST ID:2RwEpXKp No.67021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>67020

It was me all along.

I bought this book expecting something totally different, basically its just blog posts pasted together detailing how she went from being an overeater to a severe undereater.

it was an alright story, written alright, wasnt boring, but i felt a little cheated, it was marketed as a journey of weight loss when really she covered her weightloss in like 25 pages out of the 240 or so it has.

I paid full price for it and felt ripped.
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Fucking Faffingmere - Fri, 08 May 2015 05:25:53 EST ID:qXZ2paiM No.67023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pretty much any book of Continental Philosophy I've ever read—apart from, perhaps, certain passages in Heidegger, and some Camus.

I think I need to just stick to Wittgenstein.
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Fuck Chonnerlock - Sat, 09 May 2015 20:03:04 EST ID:/ptWfy36 No.67039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>67023
>being this analytic
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Hedda Perryhall - Sun, 10 May 2015 18:02:21 EST ID:lSAtk+NF No.67046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was given this book to review by a mentor, who is an established journalist among popular literary circles; He criticizes the bulk of pop-lit released in the US.

It's a memoir of some asshole with a PhD in Lit. recanting the memory of his eldest brother who overdosed during the author's adolescence. The entire thing is a masturbatory jerk of rhetorical prose kindled by American stereotypes. I would compare the level of depth to his vision that exceeds no further than his thumb which he sucks.
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Cornelius Seblingville - Sun, 10 May 2015 19:02:32 EST ID:KeJVebEN No.67047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67046
>He criticizes the bulk of pop-lit released in the US.
So does he do so negatively (like just generally bashes most of it) or is he just a person who critically reviews them?
If it's the former, that's the type of nigga I enjoy giving a punch to the dick. I'll never understand the literary type of person who has some sort of inherent opposition towards stuff that isn't 2deep4me.


Dystopian Novels by Eliza Cremmlechotch - Fri, 01 May 2015 19:55:20 EST ID:V3eNvDSY No.66999 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've recently rediscovered a love for reading and have really enjoyed reading a few dystopias. I've read 1984, brave new world and fahrenheit 451 and am currently reading one. Can anyone recommend some books with a similar theme?
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Lillian Sondlebet - Mon, 04 May 2015 23:14:26 EST ID:JHSbXgM+ No.67015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67002
great book, i just finished it maybe a week ago. really well written too (or at least the translation was)

op, i recommend reading the news
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Nell Senkinbod - Tue, 05 May 2015 00:49:07 EST ID:a+KCoBp0 No.67017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm currently reading the first of the southern reach trilogy, it's pretty good so far
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Emma Blisslehut - Sat, 09 May 2015 00:59:29 EST ID:fpvydsjA No.67032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Divided Kingdom is cool
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Ntnchamp2 - Sat, 09 May 2015 20:58:46 EST ID:fUjeQ70T No.67041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66999
a super Sad true Love Story
infinite jest
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Jarvis Gurringham - Sun, 10 May 2015 02:47:39 EST ID:mqZK1N7U No.67044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My dad was into them. His favorites were Stand on Zanzibar which is about overpopulation, and a book with a repeating numerical title. I can't remember what it was called exactly, but it was something like 333 or 444 or something. He said it was thought to be "the most pessimistic book ever written."


Historical Fiction by Whitey Fucklefoot - Tue, 05 May 2015 20:00:12 EST ID:OLTcm7UD No.67018 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Sup /lit/
I've been on a historical fiction bender lately. Favourites so far are easily The Eagle series by Simon Scarrow.
I also read through the Sharpe novels last year and I'm currently reading the Warrior Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell.
When I get done with those I'll start on the Emperor series by Conn Iggulden.

Any other fans about? Favourites? Recommendations?


Why do people hate on Lovecraft? by The Dude !fGacv5cTa6 - Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:22:44 EST ID:cBGeG7hp No.66945 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I quite enjoy his stuff, but I often see people berating his writing online. What does he do wrong?

Thanks and happy 420
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Faggy Dicklewitch - Fri, 01 May 2015 22:22:09 EST ID:O6UBFFNl No.67003 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I like his stories (some are better than others, some aren't that great) but I can see why he never got major success in his lifetime, despite never really writing full length novels. His writing style just wasn't very good. Some stories have major plot holes and everything is always written from the first-person perspective.
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Nicholas Crabberpodge - Sat, 02 May 2015 07:58:22 EST ID:CeR7s86W No.67005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66951
This.

Also I like how the people who like him are oftentimes the same people who actually feel guilty over it because he was racist, along with just about everyone else on the planet.
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Hannah Pittway - Sun, 03 May 2015 02:05:56 EST ID:dMBqWYEg No.67008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I like Lovecraft. However, I don't like his Cthulhu mythos: I much prefer his miscellaneous stories and the Dream Cycle stories. The stories I most like by him are:

>The Music of Erich Zann
>The Doom that Came to Sarnath
>The Quest of Iranon
>Celephais
>Azathoth
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Lydia Sollerlick - Sun, 03 May 2015 20:46:44 EST ID:W3GosXr6 No.67014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67008
You came in and told us what you liked that's fine but at least tell us why you give a damn.
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Lillian Sondlebet - Mon, 04 May 2015 23:16:43 EST ID:JHSbXgM+ No.67016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>67008
celephais is a great one and has actually very seriously influenced my dreams. i see beautiful unreal cities and structures all the time now. and when i go lucid, i think "let's go fly and find some celephais stuff" and then i do


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