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Lrn2 math for a smart guy by George Debblebanks - Sun, 06 Sep 2015 01:34:58 EST ID:N0VIeVLI No.14878 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey folks, I got a big ol' question and I'm hoping there may be some people here like me who could give me some good advice. I'll try to spare details but I have an.. issue. My issue is I'm too smart damnit. I didn't go to college for a really dumb and unfortunate reason, and while my issue would have surely popped up there it wasn't why I didn't go. But at the moment, all I have under my belt is high- school geometry and algebra II. I would have gone higher, but along with it being drilled in my head that "poor people don't go to private schools" and so I'm already over qualified for the schools I have to choose among, I just hated how slow everything went. Maybe none of it matters because I went to a dreadfully average school, but I was kind of the freak. After commenting about the insane amount of homework assigned for simple concepts my teacher simply refused to believe I was capable of doing it all in my head, even after I proved it on the spot. I was the freak in academic challenge, I'm in my schools hall of fame (lol), I got a 35 on the ACT and it was so damn easy Idk how I didn't get a 36.

I guess I'm venting a little but my point is I'm pretty smart, or at least I think I am. I want to just teach myself but I'm not sure where to start and I'm impatient. I tried Khan academy and I'm sorry but I feel like that site is remedial as fuck. I can't handle how slow it goes.

So my question is to other autodidacts. What sites or books or series of books would you recommend for someone who doesn't really know much but also isn't for dumb guys? I guess my starting point would be trigonometry and calculus.

And another question I have is, where do I go from there? I'd like to get a well rounded knowledge of all the different subjects. So at the moment, I'm not looking to dig into one specific subject too much. I want a working knowledge that would allow me to dig in where I want after I'm actually capable of understanding the subjects in the first place.

Computer science, programming, calculus, physics, quantum...stuff... statistics, pure math, the different planes, that's about the extent of what I even…
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Polly Hinderback - Tue, 22 Sep 2015 02:00:10 EST ID:t2QFGBa2 No.14908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not gonna totally call you out for bullshit, cause I used to feel somewhat similar. If you are saying you haven't done trigonometry or calculus yet, then I don't think it's fair for you to claim that you can do the problems in your head. Like, I could do very basic calculus in my head but that was high school and it was meant to be easy.

Go back to khan academy, it seems remedial because that's literally how easy the concepts are. Then pirate one or two textbooks on trig and calculus, and literallly work your way through it. I know it's easy to read the material and say "damn that's too easy" but if you go to the problem sets that is where you really learn.

I wouldn't recommend college, maybe community courses but you may get bored there. Just work along some MIT open courseware or Stanford courses online. All free, including video lectures. You'll learn something for sure.
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Edward Bucklefield - Thu, 24 Sep 2015 01:40:10 EST ID:btcGWFLs No.14916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do not use Khan Academy for math, they have a lot of problems from Mathematicians giving them shit on HN for inaccurate explanations. You should get proven material and learn from that.

MIT has all the math you need
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/

This absolutely gigantic pile of lecture notes got turned into a book for their compsci intro math course: https://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.042/spring15/mcs.pdf

If you need math texts, look for them on libgen.io (Library Genesis) because free. If all you want to do is read general outlines, and decide what interests you then get The Princeton Companion to Mathematics, and Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning which survey the entire field. Newly released this week was The Princeton Companion to Applied Mathematics too (not yet on libgen). My recommendation is study Linear and Abstract Algebra they have the most uses in all aspects of life and computer science.

You also have to read this before doing anything university level, because it's not at all like highschool math. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Solve_It you can buy that book for like $12 in any bookstore anywhere, or pirate it but paper will save your eyes.
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Defalt503 - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 10:36:46 EST ID:GNz4wLxQ No.14967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
AOPS (Art of Problem Solving)
It's expensive, but very rigorous in its coverage.
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Phoebe Gottingnadge - Sun, 20 Dec 2015 05:54:08 EST ID:4PxD5/q2 No.15006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14878
>hurr durr i'm so smart i wanna learn mafs but i cant even use teh googles and muh brain power 2 narrow down a gud source
lel i hope you don't talk to people irl with that attitude
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Nell Crorringbid - Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:10:59 EST ID:GFadmWCF No.15007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14908
E = mc^2


Calc promblem help, by Augustus Demblestig - Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:08:49 EST ID:q3ZVtHN5 No.14929 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How do I solve this for m or for n? I.e. get something like m =....

Is there some general way that does not depend on the function of P(x)?

Otherwise P(x) = sin^2(x)
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Molly Bumbletan - Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:49:21 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
m = n. This will be true in all cases. For your particular case, the function is periodic. This gives you an infinite number of solutions: m = n + (pi/2)*z where z is any integer. For other periodic functions, just switch out the (pi/2) for whatever the period is.
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Molly Bumbletan - Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:55:19 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14931
correction: m = n + (pi)*z

The period is pi for sin^2(x). My bad.
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Hedda Tillingman - Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:21:13 EST ID:q3ZVtHN5 No.14934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14932
>>14930

I worked it out the long way, eventually and got the same solution. Thanks guys.
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Barnaby Dommerbick - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 09:23:04 EST ID:kb5uOcCo No.14992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14931
It doesn't have to be periodic.
Imagine a function that is zero everywhere outside of some interval, and one inside the interval. If this interval is larger than b-a then, for a fixed n, there will be a continuous range of m for which the statement is true, unless n is chosen such that the RHS is neither zero nor b-a (that is, the integral is taken over a region neither entirely in the zero part of the function, nor entirely in the non-zeropart), in which case there are only two values of m that satisfy it.
The condition in OP's pic defines a subspace of R^2, which for the function above is not connected (try plotting it). It is interesting to consider the different possible subsets of R^2 you can get with various classes of functions.
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William Murdham - Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:12:35 EST ID:C1tA08VQ No.15004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14992
This depends on the OP equation holding for pecific a, b, as opposed to all a,b. In the latter cans, you do require P to be periodic.

In general, this seems to be a bit of a dumb exercise though, but I guess that's subjectiive.


Advanced Calculus by Ian Hibberkit - Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:35:46 EST ID:AuFFnCvz No.14855 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey math,

I'm taking the first Advanced Calculus (intro to proof writing) course this fall. I've done some of the work in advance and am not too worried. What were your experiences in your homeland's analogous class?
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Graham Nickledale - Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:55:35 EST ID:AuFFnCvz No.14928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP reporting back in. Thanks for the resources. Material is super cool, but instructor has modeled it like some kind of competition. The person who has the most points (earned by presenting proofs) sets the level for an A in the class. It's a mathematical deathmatch. Only the strongest will survive.
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Simon Bocklebanks - Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:17:30 EST ID:Dk8yywxc No.14952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14928

That's pretty terrible. What school is that?
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Caroline Fubberforth - Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:56:36 EST ID:nDKmqEtd No.14954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14928
I'd like to see a game theory course graded this way.
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Martin Hippershaw - Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:31:17 EST ID:AuFFnCvz No.14961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14952
I go to a very science-y state university, so the math major is pretty competitive -- a positive thing, but then we have instructors who do this kind of stuff to weed people out. Pretty stressful, man.
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Walter Nenderbury - Mon, 14 Dec 2015 02:09:04 EST ID:VQWIWcoe No.14999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14885
Do you have a copy of Galois' Dream? It's a nice text, you might like it.


I wanna be a master by Basil Fongerhood - Wed, 02 Dec 2015 06:52:11 EST ID:tkxf2V39 No.14988 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can somebody here give me a beginning, to end list of how I should study complete field of math?
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Wesley Gonnerlock - Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:17:02 EST ID:tkxf2V39 No.14993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In what order should I study math, you know what I mean by end.
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Cedric Niggerfoot - Thu, 10 Dec 2015 09:32:46 EST ID:Dk8yywxc No.14994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14993

Start by reading "How to prove it", the book. Tell use what parts of that you enjoy, and what you're interested in, and I'll give you a list of books to go through. The way to read a math book and understand it is:
#1: Read through the chapter once
#2: Read and memorize all the definitions
#3: Read and memorize statements of all theorems in order
#4: Read and make sure you deeply understand ALL the proofs
#5: Attempt exercises. Reread the chapter multiple times.

I want to emphasize that you can't just fly through a chapter and get anything out of it.
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Caroline Brookcocke - Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:11:59 EST ID:k9kkb1hx No.14996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14988
http://us.metamath.org/index.html

This site tries to enumerate all proofs and how they are connected. You can't really do anything with it though and trying to learn Mathematics using it would be like trying to learn driving by watching assembly line robots build cars.
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Hannah Fandale - Sun, 13 Dec 2015 12:10:00 EST ID:Dk8yywxc No.14997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14995

Yep that's the one.
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Walter Nenderbury - Mon, 14 Dec 2015 02:01:28 EST ID:VQWIWcoe No.14998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The correct answer is "it's impossible". There's already more math than a person could digest in a lifetime, and more is made/found every day.

But doing the standard progression arithmetic->algebra/geometry/precalc -> calc, then some proof fundamentals, then hit intro level of diff eq, linear algebra, combinatorics and probability, group theory, and you'll be in a good place to head off in whatever direction you like.

ie read off a programme listing for most undergrad math programs.


ti-83 window ranges by Samuel mcshoebat - Sat, 21 Nov 2015 16:32:15 EST ID:ONOBjqOA No.14985 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey got a question for /math/ i'm doing an assignment where I have to graph numbers in the double digit thousands (1600, 1500 etc) what are the best ranges to set on my window so I can be able to view the graph efficiently?
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Lydia Maddleworth - Tue, 24 Nov 2015 13:59:54 EST ID:J4OUpAxW No.14986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14985
i report yu


GRE prep help by Samuel Subblestone - Fri, 22 May 2015 18:34:24 EST ID:Kjt/my9S No.14740 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey quick question for you fine folks here at /math/

So I'm studying for the GRE using Gruber's complete guide 2015. There was a math question that confused me. Basically to get the answer you must divide two seperate equations by each other.

The question is: If A is 250 percent of B, what percent of A is B?

Eventually, there comes a point where we have A = 250/100B and x/100A = B.

After that the author says we divide the first equation by the second, so we get A/(x/100A)=(250/100B)/B.

After this it's fairly simple, I'm just having trouble grasping how we can divide one separate equation by another. Could one of you clarify?

Pic Related, it's a screenshot of the part I was talking about.
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Thomas Billingdale - Thu, 28 May 2015 23:41:17 EST ID:1XOUKwXv No.14757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14756
Ill try my best. Take equations

1: 5 = 5
2: 10 = 10

Say I want to find equation 2 divided by equation 1, that is

We get
10/ 5 = 10 / 5
Reducing...
2 = 2

I can divide equation 2 by 1 for the same reason I can do the following (which may be a bit simpler)
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Thomas Billingdale - Thu, 28 May 2015 23:46:46 EST ID:1XOUKwXv No.14758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14756
Holy fuck, ok i just actually read the question you are working on. What a fucking stupid way of solving this.

Wow, no words. Here is the problem

A is 250% of B, that is A = 2.5 * B
(Can think of it like, A is 100% of B, or A = B, if A is 90% of B then A = .9 B)
Gee, I wonder what % of B A is?
Divide both sides by 2.5...
B = (1/2.5)*A = .4*A
Presto, B = 40% of A
no need for all that useless shit
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Thomas Billingdale - Thu, 28 May 2015 23:49:32 EST ID:1XOUKwXv No.14759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14758
I just gotta vent this out, whoever wrote the solution to this in your homework up there is a fucking moron. This is a 1 step problem
A = 2.5 * B
(1/2.5) * A = B

Go slap whoever the fuck gave that solution to you
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James Gurrychetch - Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:05:14 EST ID:nQdck93t No.14769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14759
Hey I just wanted to reply and say thanks for the help to you and everyone else in this thread. When you write it like that it is very simple, I don't know why he gave such a complicated solution. NB
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Simon Geffingfedging - Sat, 21 Nov 2015 04:11:03 EST ID:SYdGx2TL No.14984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
dumb jolly african-american confirmed


Is this legal? by Jarvis Blathershit - Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:34:08 EST ID:6QpDX4yc No.14970 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I think it can't be done... but how else can I simplify this? I was years ago I had to do that...
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Nathaniel Nonkinwed - Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:40:51 EST ID:g17i/tIt No.14979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14971
That's wrong.
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Phineas Bungold - Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:39:40 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14979
No, he's right. Multiplying both the top and bottom by xy gives you (x^2-y^2)/(x^2+y^2+2xy) = (x^2-y^2)/(x+y)^2 = (x+y)(x-y)/(x+y)^2 = (x-y)/(x+y). As long as x+y is nonzero, this should work.
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Phineas Bungold - Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:45:09 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14980
>As long as x+y is nonzero, this should work.
Pfft, never mind. If that were the case, the original expression would be undefined as well.
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Eliza Sudgefidge - Thu, 19 Nov 2015 00:05:39 EST ID:aYPLZoUV No.14982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>14970

>Is this legal?

No, that will get you 5 to 7 in state prison. But you'll be out in 3 1/2 with good behavior.
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Albert Bidgedock - Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:46:52 EST ID:GKhdNJGT No.14983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14979

Try again.


double integrals are wrong by Jack Sellykut - Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:23:29 EST ID:REpT3xaI No.14956 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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basic geometry says calculus 3 is incorrect

Is there a third dimension I'm not seeing?
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George Drummerwell - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 10:46:31 EST ID:d7QflcOd No.14957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14956
possibly most
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James Brannerman - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:09:02 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Double integrals are for volume, bro.
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James Brannerman - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:54:03 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14958
To elaborate, the double integral in the OP represents the volume of a pyramid with a square base at x = 3 and its apex at the origin. This means the base has area 3^2 and height 3. The volume of a pyramid is V = 1/3*b*h = 1/3(9)(3) = 9.
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Jack Sellykut - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:11:58 EST ID:REpT3xaI No.14960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That makes good sense, thank you James


Time by Shower thought - Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:37:45 EST ID:eAsqVIz1 No.14841 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have just stumbled upon a question while in the shower, what is the speed of time?
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Polly Pittgold - Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:48:03 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14914
>>14917
Planck time is around 5.39*10^-44 seconds. The Planck scale is where quantum gravitational effects become significant.

I swear, you guys are way overthinking OP's question.
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Augustus Gubblesare - Fri, 25 Sep 2015 19:08:49 EST ID:GKhdNJGT No.14919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14918
>around 5.39

AH that's better.
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Fanny Wivingdale - Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:16:21 EST ID:bgR+wrEg No.14946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14919

the poster just rounded 5.39e-44 to 1e-43. i wouldnt use that in a calculation though
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Cornelius Gorryban - Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:46:02 EST ID:GKhdNJGT No.14948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14946
I know, but it's kind of like me rounding my height up to 10 feet tall when I'm really only about 5 and a half feet tall. It wouldn't have bugged me so much if he had at least said "approximately 1e-43", even though it's barely even half that amount. I mean, If you're going to round to zero digits of precision, why not make it 5e-44? Plus in the next sentence, he used EIGHT digits of precision!

It's cool, though. I'm over it now.
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Barnaby Blommerstudge - Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:15:26 EST ID:sT1kFNdT No.14955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14842

thought you do have a point in terms of the psychologcal there is an actual determinator which directly shows the value of what OP speaks, but though it seems that rather because of the psychologi involved there is beleived for a long time to be a fluxuation in this, and tough it is true in certain " frames of visioN" there is not a trace of


i want the fommula to a shitload vs an assload by Phineas Bunforth - Sat, 03 Oct 2015 02:04:23 EST ID:tiSYuoE5 No.14925 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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can any of you meet my challenge that i am challenging here today

it is monday monday gotta get down on monday!
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Lillian Shittingwater - Sat, 03 Oct 2015 02:46:17 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
According to circlejerk:

buttload * 10 = 1 butt ton
butt ton * 10 = 1 assload
assload * 10 = 1 asston
asston * 10 = 1 shitload
shitload * 10 = 1 shitton
shitton * 10 = 1 fuckload
fuckload * 10 = 1 fuckton
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William Firrylack - Sat, 03 Oct 2015 14:10:01 EST ID:GKhdNJGT No.14927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14926

Get that metric shit out of here.
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Reuben Gigglepot - Sun, 25 Oct 2015 19:34:19 EST ID:JsLKELFF No.14953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
take a pen

take a pencil

grab a pen

grab a pencil

paper or write on you will do

eventually

discover what you seek

foremost you have done


"Good at math" by Archie Gennerlark - Thu, 01 Oct 2015 01:08:46 EST ID:M30RiRC5 No.14920 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What does it mean to be "good at math?"
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Archie Snodfield - Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:23:53 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To me it means someone excels at using abstract reasoning to solve problems. To most people it means someone can follow a formulaic procedure to solve a particular type of problem.
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Doris Goodville - Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:43:01 EST ID:d7QflcOd No.14947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
applying the concepts derived form it, and also the feeling of knwoing that time spent in actualy organizing the several different patterns of thinking that revolves around the " eqaution " gives, which is very important because after a while what noramlly takes 9 hours to solve, becomes well, 8.9 hours and with repetition the number decreases and more insight to these new patterns of thinking and unifying the relation between different symbols becomes apperant, i think anyways
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Basil Cricklehune - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:42:32 EST ID:G+WyMdI9 No.14950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
like woah
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Barnaby Clullerfoot - Sun, 25 Oct 2015 04:15:05 EST ID:AuBkeUkZ No.14951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When you can sign Brian McKnight - Back At One
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Jarvis Clayson - Sun, 01 Nov 2015 13:12:36 EST ID:ryc+8ox4 No.14962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>14951
what do you mean? nb


Physics question about elasticity by Rasclot - Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:55:11 EST ID:gpkCKW1u No.14941 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Yo, so I should preface this by saying this is a physics question, but it is quite mathematical.
My issue right now with computational physics research is that I am trying to prove a 2d simplification of a 3d model of a vesicle has an elastic response to applied forces. My 2d simplification of a 3d vesicle, a sphere of lipids containing a fixed volume of water, is a loop containing a fixed area. It is a discrete model in which I move the vertices representing the loop in order to reduce line-tension, but however never does so in a manner which changes area (to linear order). The issue is that when I apply an outward gaussian force to this bitch, for small magnitude forces, it converges to a new length. My best fits of this regime look like newlength=k(fapplied)^2+lengthoriginal. While this is interesting, and I am glad that my loop isn't diverging in these cases, I am not sure whether that relation actually describes an elastic surface/the elastic modulus of such a surface. For high forces it doesn't converge at all.

Anyhoo, how would you go about calculating the elastic relationship between the length of an elastic loop and the force applied to it?


Any help would be much appreciated.
Best,
A human.
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John Hennerkut - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:09:39 EST ID:i84x+n57 No.14943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Anyhoo, how would you go about calculating the elastic relationship between the length of an elastic loop and the force applied to it?

That depends on how the force is applied. Is it two parallel lines squeezing the loop from opposite sides?
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Cedric Guckleworth - Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:58:36 EST ID:gpkCKW1u No.14949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>14943
it's an elastic loop, think rubber band.

I found a hint at the answer here:http://www.wired.com/2012/08/do-rubber-bands-act-like-springs/
I also found an APS journal article about it that is more rigorous American Journal of Physics 31, 938 (1963); doi: 10.1119/1.1969212


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