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History of Techniques by Rick Story - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:41:40 EST ID:vnohrc/6 No.58009 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I was watching a Texan pro wrestling match from the 1950s and this flappy boi pulls out what kinda looks like a prototype crucifix armbar/cross armbreaker. I've long considered it an "MMA" move and presumed it's innovation, or at popularization & appropriation by exhibitionists, was relatively recent (probably Brazilian). Now I'm wondering just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

What's the origin of the armbar, /mma/? What about other common maneuvers? Any especially interesting timelines that've been taken for granted & forgotten?
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Rick Story - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:42:46 EST ID:vnohrc/6 No.58010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58009
*at least popularization & appropriation
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Hidehiko Yoshida - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:38:39 EST ID:dxQ7a5I7 No.58011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58009
AFAIK it's a Judo move. BJJ had a lot of Judo in its inception, the Japanese master who taught jujitsu to the Gracie patriarch was a member of the Kokodan.
Judo goes back to 1882, the arm-bar may be in Japanese jujitsu before that, and there's probably variations native to the catch-wrestling that pro-wrestling devolved from, as well as sombo, pancration, and any other country's martial arts and sports that explored submission-based groundwork.
Like Bruce Lee said, “I personally do not believe in the word style. Why? Because, unless there are human beings with three arms and four legs, unless we have another group of human beings that are structurally different from us, there can be no different style of fighting.”
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Junior Dos Santos - Wed, 09 May 2018 06:26:52 EST ID:Rge49gpP No.58035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pro wrestling as entertainment is based on the rules and techniques of the Combat sport called catch wrestling. Catch wrestling is what pro wrestling was when it was real.

It is oldest known to be a mishmash of European styles of local wrestling from throughout Scotland, Wales, and England, etc. both during that period and after there was a lot of cross pollination between styles as guys travelled through other countries from the Middle and Far East.

This kinda looks like a nonsense concession hold but the cross arm bar is a staple of all grappling arts as far back as you can go. It was often taught in localized Japanese systems of jiujitsu which have never been syllabized. Catch wrestling was also never syllabised which is why it almost nearly died out and has a murky history while judo and bjj flourished.

Bjj and judo are seperate martial arts which were separately syllabised from the common ancestor of Kano Jiujitsu, which was a collection of techniques encompassing ground grappling and throwing.

Might be interesting for you to know that the heel hook technique you see in pro wrestling or MMA is a native technique to the martial art of pro wrestling. You can still see the evidence in the name of the technique (“hook”, meaning incapacitating grappling technique, as by joint damage etc, old pro wrestling term). There are some other techniques with cross over terms between catch wrestling or pro wrestling as a martial art, and modern bjj or judo, where the techniques are the same or very similar but have seperate origins and names. Here’s some pro wrestling technique names and their modern title:

Sleeper = rear naked choke
Abdominal stretch = cobra twist = the twister
Front headlock = guillotine choke
Double wrist lock = Kimura lock
Cravat = baseballbat choke
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Duane Ludwig - Sat, 12 May 2018 07:31:41 EST ID:xfsaelmX No.58040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58009
>What's the origin of the armbar, /mma/?
This is a better question for /his/

Short answer - Armbars are as old as arms.


Skinny Boxer by Dan Severn - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 04:31:53 EST ID:n8L/swSe No.57923 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm a skinny, 110lb 5'10 motherfucker who wants to learn how to box. Is there any point while I'm this skinny? Do I need to load on weight before I can start training? Also, do you generally go to a boxing teacher or is it something that they offer at gyms? I have amazing reaction times and have been told I can actually deliver a somewhat formidable punch, but I'm wondering if it's not gonna mean anything if I have to use my boxing skills on someone bigger than me. Any tips or general advice for someone looking to get into it?
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Urijah Faber - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:02:45 EST ID:o5wtiNS3 No.57929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57923
You go to a boxing gym, nothing more nothing less, some are more like train whenever you want some are more based around classes, some a mixture. It should be a gym that fields amateur boxers, pro-am gyms are a thing in some countries but not all, but as a rule of thumb look for a gym that is tied to your countries amateur body.
And you're a 5'10 bantamweight (I think) that's quite a big advantage over most people that weight, obviously in sparring you'll go with lots of different size people but a good gym they wont be going all out on each other. I'm 115 kg, 6'4 and have sparred people your weight, it's just a skill practice.
Good luck, boxing is great and you'll get out of it what you put in.
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Josh Thomson - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 09:38:40 EST ID:tD80FHVn No.57930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57923
you understand in boxing you fight other guys in your weight class, right?

being tall and skinny isn't such a bad thing if you can protect your body. you'll have a reach advantage and it'll be an awkward angle to reach your head.

Paul Gonzalez was a tall flyweight. Of course, if you're serious about this, you'll pack on some muscle.
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Tyson Griffin - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:54:11 EST ID:w+FGDv0a No.57989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57923 I do box too and some of the better boxers of the gym are so fuckin thin and fast they scare the shit out of most of noobs. You should try it its great, its not a matter of weigh, just precision and power
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Hidehiko Yoshida - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:03:50 EST ID:dxQ7a5I7 No.58012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Best to start training while you're skinny, so you have to rely on technique rather than muscle for power.
The muscle will grow naturally as you train, as long as you eat right.

I recommend Jack Dempsey's book on boxing "Championship Fighting".
https://archive.org/details/Championship_Fighting_Explosive_Punching_and_Aggressive_Defense_1950_Jack_Dempse

This is the one Bruce Lee used.
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Karo Parisyan - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 04:57:07 EST ID:prphjPSY No.58027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58012
The part about aligning your wrist to hit with the three smaller knuckles is gold. Try a wall push-up using that as your contact surface and you'll feel it.


What is the attendance ? by Justin McCully - Wed, 11 Apr 2018 20:45:43 EST ID:IuJOtoJ/ No.58021 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Bart Palazewski - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:22:41 EST ID:Io74PdUa No.58023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58021
Is this that show that Sakuraba and Barnett wanna do?
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 22:26:44 EST ID:HFqpkngE No.58026 Report Quick Reply
>>58023
Yep


Sup /mma/ by Bart Palazewski - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:15:28 EST ID:Io74PdUa No.58022 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What are MMA Phil's odds in his next fight? What do you think he'll do if he gets fucking murdered again?


State of UFC; McGregor is for casuals, deserves to be stripped of titles by Chad Griggs - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 05:19:45 EST ID:4+OemBtb No.57990 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why the fuck has this dude not had to defend yet? Makes UFCS so degraded to be giving McGregor such a massive push just for the publicity he garners. I want Diaz to fuck him up again or let him be stripped of the belts and leave already.
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Shinya Aoki - Fri, 06 Apr 2018 16:35:32 EST ID:0tJR3wea No.58016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ragin' Al Iaquinta is now fighting Khabib in some sort of weird catchweight fight where Khabib is fighting for the title and Al is just fighting for money and pride.
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Kaoru Uno - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 07:56:43 EST ID:NALQuK7O No.58017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wish I could collect the heads of all the morons saying this is a publicity stunt, just lop them off en masse, like with a combine harvester or something, and float them out to sea like coconuts.
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Dan Severn - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 19:21:06 EST ID:MsJtnDMg No.58018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>TFW Connor, to quote Ernie Ladd, Dumbed himself outta position.

Wacky Irishman was probably fulla whiskey.
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Georges St-Pierre - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 23:57:29 EST ID:0tJR3wea No.58019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58018

Nah, he has coke money now. He's probably coked up at least 12 hours a day now.
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Phil Davis - Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:25:25 EST ID:NALQuK7O No.58020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58019
The shit he pulled in Bellator certainly looked like he was spending his days diving into a giant pile of cocaine like a gopher.


Jon Jones stripped of belt after failed drug test by CarlosDanger - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:35:52 EST ID:soN4hPTz No.57825 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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From TMZ

>Jon Jones has tested positive for steroids in his UFC 214 victory over Daniel Cormier, and he has been stripped of his title ... TMZ Sports has learned.

>Our sources tell us ... Jones tested positive for Turinabol -- an anabolic steroid.

>Jones won the July 29 fight -- taking the UFC light heavyweight belt from Cormier with a savage head kick followed by a barrage of punishing punches to Cormier's head.

>The title now goes back to Cormier.

>It's the second time Jones has failed a USADA drug test. He tested positive for banned substances in 2016 before UFC 200 and was pulled from the main event. Jones got socked with a 1 year ban.

>We're told this time around, he could be banned for up to 4 years.

>Jones had blamed his previous failed test on a male enhancement pill. He claimed he didn't realize the pill contained a banned substance and insisted he was NOT trying to gain a competitive edge.
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Hidehiko Yoshida - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 01:45:27 EST ID:S6Rm5b0s No.57959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57958

He was concussed, faggo.
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Matt Lindland - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 22:34:04 EST ID:AFt0CabC No.57999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.f4wonline.com/ufc-news/csac-revokes-jon-jones-license-issues-205000-fine-252526

Bones can't stop fucking up. His team's "lol why would he cheat?" defense wasn't as good as Anderson Silva's boner pill defense, though.
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Matt Lindland - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 22:34:41 EST ID:AFt0CabC No.58000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57999

wtf, not sure why this didn't bump
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Stephan Bonnar - Sun, 04 Mar 2018 19:55:18 EST ID:wUVLkW34 No.58001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Bart Palazewski - Mon, 05 Mar 2018 19:50:31 EST ID:AFt0CabC No.58002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>58001

What a terrible decision Edgar made taking that fight. He shouldn't have taken a fight against an up-and-coming undefeated fighter unless it was a main event and/or for an interim title. Now he lost his title shot and he may not get back up to the top of the heap again.


/mma/ Synchtube by C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 28 May 2013 21:25:55 EST ID:I0hX+Il4 No.51441 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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General discussion of /mma/tube and combat sports events going on in the tubes. Technical problems can be discussed further on /420/.

>/mma/'s Discord channel - https://discord.gg/uQPcmSb
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>/mma/tube's backup tube - http://tinyurl.com/mmabackup
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Upcoming events in the tubes are listed in the /mma/tube MOTD at the top of the page.

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Brock Lesnar - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:23:35 EST ID:enC/ne7m No.57855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Discord link has expired, Can it be refreshed friends
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Nate Quarry - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 23:51:38 EST ID:QZsOoTrp No.57872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why does taima have to suck so bad?
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:45:52 EST ID:yrAW9uOt No.57939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57855
I think the channel got changed to closed.

>>57872
Well it hasn't been updated in a while.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:27:10 EST ID:7y/b7QRk No.57951 Report Quick Reply
Updated the Discord link in OP.

And we're showing the USA vs. Japan Giant Robot Duel tonight at 10pm EDT / 3am BST in /mma/tube.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:30:44 EST ID:jwE/U6tZ No.57997 Report Quick Reply
Taima is back up now.


Shitter's broke by James McSweeney - Fri, 08 Dec 2017 01:55:29 EST ID:Gtc8JjWb No.57966 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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https://www.f4wonline.com/ufc-news/georges-st-pierre-drops-ufc-middleweight-title-247591

Welp, so much for GSP-Whitaker.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:41:49 EST ID:Q9GWBZm5 No.57971 Report Quick Reply
It was not a matter of if GSP can stay healthy, it was a matter of when he’d no longer be healthy and drop the title.


Ok Fowlkes by Brett Rogers - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 03:34:22 EST ID:mpINBVh4 No.57938 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How do we feel about Ben Fowlkes? Or any Of the "so called /mms media. Talking shit, Pussy foot bjj faggotry, and just plain and simple pandering.

But I want to know your thoughts. Seems nice enough
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Sergei Kharitonov - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:40:19 EST ID:Wdf5U5yQ No.57940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is he one of the faggots who writes articles with twitter screenshots as a source?
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Luke Rockhold - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 02:44:51 EST ID:mpINBVh4 No.57941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, he's a big shit talking ass faggot. Kinda like a lot of the fools on this site. Big vocabulary and small ideas.
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Irgor Vovchanchyn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:42:39 EST ID:q/jt6e86 No.57962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57938
I listen to the CME podcast. pretty funny at times. what can i say, i like the guy.


Bellator by Luiz Cane - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:26:20 EST ID:l3fpxtsF No.57957 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Better than UFC.
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Waster/sparring swords advice. by Yves Edwards - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 03:36:20 EST ID:ou6mTjlB No.57953 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can you guys give me advice in choosing a good waster wooden sword?
I bought one but i don't trust pine wood (also don't know much about swords or sparring), and i wanted to buy one for a friend (not too expensive) and maybe take some sparring lessons.
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Yves Edwards - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 03:41:06 EST ID:ou6mTjlB No.57954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrong board, i should have posted in weapons.
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Daniel Cormier - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:51:57 EST ID:8tG+FmR2 No.57955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ask Xarn
http://bbs.readsicp.org/kareha.pl/1503181245/


Chinese Martial Arts by Ross Pearson - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 22:15:41 EST ID:KbFo5A51 No.54759 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi guys. This isn't strictly MMA related, but do we have any experienced CMA guys on here? I've been doing Tai Chi for a few years and love it, I love doing the forms and the push hands and everything.
To make it more MMA related, why do you think we don't see more Sanda champions in UFC?
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Lyle Beerbohm - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:48:47 EST ID:bUK8sMy+ No.57642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>54759
>do we have any experienced CMA guys on here
I am experienced CIMA guy
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Tim Kennedy - Sat, 20 May 2017 06:34:44 EST ID:hFfjcFsN No.57747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pretty sure the Chinese just said fuck it and made gun powder and rockets. I could be wrong but that is rare.

I dunno about Japan. Heard they only came up with panties, fat people, and tentacles for their fighting displays.
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Giant Silva - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 02:03:12 EST ID:Af3B9fmB No.57770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>54856
...Did you really just link to fucking Jake Mace as an example of 'real' Kung Fu?
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Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:05:05 EST ID:1S0evz47 No.57932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>54857
THIS.

I carry one baseball and one softball bat around with me at all times: My right and left shins, respectively.

It hurt so fucking much, but thank you teenage self. If only flexibility lasted too.
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Marius Zaromskis - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:28:05 EST ID:kcFBPVmr No.57952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57932
Do you condition them by just kicking the bag heavy without pads a lot or what?


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