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The Last Jedi by Winston Zeddmore - Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:12:29 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.391925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Here we go again.
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Aeryn Sun - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 02:35:31 EST ID:ZC0TiMjU No.391935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391925
Nah
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Mike Judge - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 02:46:27 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.391937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ehh, I'm perfectly fine waiting to pirate it. In fact, I'll pirate it on principle. Fuck this shitty merch franchise.
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Winston Zeddmore - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:48:43 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.391949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391937

Same. After watching The Force Awakens, I'm not excited at all for The Last Jedi. I feel like Disney is beating a dead horse.
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Freddy Kruger - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:25:17 EST ID:sSzo6WZK No.391950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
very cool
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Blake Anderson - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:32:46 EST ID:M+zFKR5B No.391951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>thread hidden til I see this 4 weeks later in an empty theater
not in mood to know the equivalent of 'luke i am ur father' that this film will have
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Spike - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:09:22 EST ID:H8wdw5bt No.391952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391951
same here. I loved TFA and think it's an excellent movie so I'm pretty stoked for this.
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Saint-Exmin - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:52:11 EST ID:Z3Or7bWr No.391953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's not just a product, it's a community.
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Mike Judge - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:52:22 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.391955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391953
lmao
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Tom Haverford - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:50:39 EST ID:vOf7Quy8 No.391959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I went to the midnight premiere and was pleasantly surprised that it was a pretty decent movie. I certainly wasn't expecting much. The local orchestra also surprised us by coming out and playing the theme just before the movie started, so that was a nice touch.
Overall, it was a great experience. Plenty of action, epic moments, lots of humour, some corniness but in a good way (sort of).
I enjoyed The Force Awakens, but wasn't blown away by it. I'd say The Last Jedi is a bit better.
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Slab Bulkhead - Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:59:55 EST ID:QXDDY+WS No.391961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391925
Now that pretty much the entire plot is out MY question is whether or not these risks were all good and what they imply.
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Eomer - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 04:16:20 EST ID:jzRqGgBn No.391966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Same, just got back from it and it's def better than Force Awakens. I'm hyped as fuck fuck to see where its going from here even tho they had to change it since space princess died
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Stark - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:29:10 EST ID:cZ4iTaJz No.391977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391966

Is it true that Leie dies in space by using the force or some shit? Also, how does Luke die? This all sounds horrible.
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Eomer - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:16:53 EST ID:jzRqGgBn No.391982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391977
Lmao almost. she gets sucked into space but then goes force god to save herself. Wouldve been a cool exit for her character imo. Luke dies from using the last of his life force to astral project himself across the galaxy, it was badass and he had a perfect exit imo.

It took the series in a pretty different direction than TFA, i take back being hyped as fuck though because i just remembered theyre bringing JJ back so he'll likely try and bring it back around to his movie instead of continuing to take it somewhere new.
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Master Blaster - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:34:03 EST ID:cvWJakP4 No.391983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391982
guessing that with Leia it was written that way originally and they figured it would be kind of crass to go back and add in a death scene later
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The Re-animator - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 15:31:45 EST ID:aY07U0m0 No.391994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just saw it. I fucking loved Force Awwakens and Rogue One.

This is byfar the worst Star Wars movie since Attack of the Clones. Everything they established in FA was thrown out the window and what we got was trash. Its not even a Star Wars movie. Its a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie complete with all dramatic moments ruined by absolutely cringy non stop jokes, terrible CGI monsters that look like they came out of the prequel and annoying creatures just so they can sell toys.

After Force Awkens I was so hyped to see where the story would go. After this I dont care, because there is nothing to care about. All of the loose ends were tied up and there was no cliffhanger. This didnt feel like the middle chapter of a trilogy, it felt like the end.
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Wendy Padbury - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:49:02 EST ID:v7A+syAG No.392006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391994
>Its a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie complete with all dramatic moments ruined by absolutely cringy non stop jokes
I think the mcu movie format is gonna gradually take over everything that could be considered sci-fi, super power focused, or action-adventure.
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Charlie Kaufman - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:24:46 EST ID:PPBdRS2a No.392013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>My personal taste in movies is that I like ones that have a lot of emotional investment in the characters and good character interaction, where you like to see them play off of each other. And from there, plot structure is extremely secondary to me. That's why I really liked the Force Awakens despite the plot being very simplistic and very familiar, because it was mostly about introducing the new characters, and I really liked the new characters. https://youtu.be/X9QiHlEC22U

And it's precisely this attitude that is ruining contemporary blockbusters. It's no longer about telling original stories, you just need "original" characters that people can hashtag and ship together. #TeamRey #TeamKylo #Reylo

Lyke oh my gawd guises, did you hear what Finn said to that stormtrooper in the casino? The entire theater erupted into laughter!

Shit is nauseating to me. Y'know, thank God that there are still auteurs out there. Their films aren't pulling in a billion dollars, they aren't household names, but they keep people like me sane and entertained.
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Raven Darkhölme - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:35:15 EST ID:ay4cP4Ma No.392014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>391994
>just now realizing these movies are ass

how did you not get that from the first new star wars? these movies are shit, same generic ass plot same dumb ass jokes the theater laughs at same lame ass characters
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David Van Driessen - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:26:16 EST ID:OR/Yo4mj No.392016 Report Quick Reply
I saw this tonight and I actually liked it more than TFA. It was fun watching on opening night and the crowd was cheering and laughing throughout. Luke trolling the fuck out of Kylo Ren with that Jedi mind trick astral projection shit and buying the Resistance time to escape was fucking awesome. Great way for Luke to go out. I quite like Obi-Luke Skywalker. While the trio of Poe, Finn and Rey doesn’t match up to Han, Luke and Leia in the original trilogy, I think they service the sequel trilogy fine. I guess they’re gonna ship Finn and Rose now but I thought they had good chemistry on screen.
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Kyle Gass - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:35:29 EST ID:6V4OPQSM No.392017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Disney is clearly going for the Chinese market here. The pacing, themes, visuals, dialogue, every beat of this movie feels like a cheap 80s kungfu film. It's especially evident in the "for the greater good" message they ram down your throat, like a lot of Chinese film does. The hallmarks are all there, from the noble sacrifice of the individual for the masses, to the prat-falls and slapstick, to the low-brow one-liners and "cute" nonsequiteurs, there's even a wuxia kung fu weapons duel. Oh, and they shoehorned some nobody Chinese girl into the story and she gets half the screen time. Mini-spoiler, but not really:Luke acts just like all the wise-ass, reluctant masters do in kungfu films

I got no problems with Chinese people; it's just abundantly clear that this was a movie with one thing in mind: selling Star Wars to the Chinese. The story didn't exist in the universe, the universe existed to bend for the story. A lot of nonsense happened, and scenes were stolen directly from The Empire Strikes Back. They had scenes they wanted to hit, and merchandise they wanted to market, story be damned. Slap it in there and make it stick. We get a lot of telling and not so much showing.

That's my spoiler-free review, here's my spoiler gripes.
what the fuck Yoda's ghost is still around and can lightning shit from beyond the grave.
Spooky evil Force cave where you face your own demons, which turn out to be you.
"Search your feelings. You know it's true. Join me."
Throws a dude down a shaft, just like Vader did.
A single kamikaze ship can take out their whole fleet, but let's just let them blow us all up for 20+ hours.
Falcon swooping in to save the day at the last second, with a YAAAHOOO
Falcon does a trench run, somehow is more agile than TIE fighters.
notLando from notCloud City set you up to be ambushed by notVader in the banquet ha-- err, reactor room.
Reenactment of the Battle of Hoth.
What the fuck Leia is a witch.
Better get a few close up shots of those golden pimp-dice Han kept on his rear-view mirror. Those will be easy to mass produce for 2c and sell for $20 each.
Luke: "there's good in everyone, no one is too far gone to save, even if they've been committing genocide on a galatic scale for 30 years!"*redeems Vader*"woops, Kylo is evil, too evil to redeem; better murder him in his sleep even though he hasn't done anything yet."
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Kyle Gass - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 01:16:09 EST ID:6V4OPQSM No.392018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392017
Oh shit, I forgot a gripe. There were plenty more, but this one was so egregious, it had to be included.
There's a slow motion, bent-over-backwards shot stolen from The Matrix. It's entirely jarring. It doesn't fit the film's style, and it interrupts the flow of an otherwise well shot scene. Someone on the committee probably demanded it. I couldn't see a competent director or editor letting that shot into the film.
>"We need more ACTION! Do the cool Matrix thing."

Oh and "you can't solve every problem by blowing things up!"*movie is ~2 hours of fixing problems by blowing them up* when it's actually a reasonable time to blow things up, the most trigger-happy character refuses.

LUKE DOESN'T TELL ANYONE HIS PLAN! Poe just shits exposition all over the screen.
Luke does the cocky shoulder-dusting thing.


Fuck. There was just so much bad shit about this movie. It was so hacky. I'm done though. I'll have an aneurysm if I keep going.

It was pretty, though, and the sound effects were dope. i liked the sound of Kylo's saber.
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Princess Leia Organa - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 02:56:09 EST ID:kZ2PjT+d No.392019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There are some really dumb people on the internet who are happy as fuck about this Disney / Fox deal because they think that this means that Disney will finally release the original trilogy unaltered

This is NOT true

Disney simply has the distribution rights. So yes, they now have the right to release the original Trilogy. However, they have to rights to release the George Lucas special editions, NOT the original theatrical versions. George Lucas still owns the rights to those as it was part of the original deal when Disney took over the company.

If you want the original trilogy unaltered, you either need to get the laser discs, the DVD release which is rare and expensive as hell, or torrent the despecialized editions.
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Nichelle Nichols - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:20:02 EST ID:jzRqGgBn No.392020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392019
Theres a REALLY nice looking torrent of A New Hope out there from someone who had an original 35mm print and had it scanned. Sadly it's only A New Hope and not the full trilogy though.
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Charlie Kaufman - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 06:10:58 EST ID:PPBdRS2a No.392026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392017

Lightspeed kamikaze is such a problematic thing to introduce to the universe... Why the fuck did they bother with blowing up the Death Star the way they did when in the OT when they could've just kamikazied it with the same effect? Every new film just becomes more problematic and redundant to the original films.

Part of me is glad these new films suck tho. Fanboys trashed the prequels so hard, y'all just couldn't appreciate Lucas and now where are you without him? This is some form of justice in my eyes.
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Waymond Womano - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:43:19 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392026

>y'all just couldn't appreciate Lucas and now where are you without him?

On paper, the prequels were good movies. That's all I will say.
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Joe D'Amato - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:19:00 EST ID:0xhzEBxT No.392034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392032
There are aspects of the prequels that are good.
They can be really enjoyable if you try to ignore things like some really bad acting and dialogue, the hours worth of generally uninteresting scenes of 2 characters exchanging dialogue, horrible CG (next to great practical effects), and pic related.
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George Clooney - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:35:16 EST ID:eHcrAOLK No.392035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why did Rian Johnson butcher Luke's character?
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Kyle Gass - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:05:20 EST ID:6V4OPQSM No.392036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392035
Disney wants that China money, dude. This is a KUNG FU FILM, not a Star Wars story.

This movie was full of references to Empire Strikes Back, and it was filled with kung fu movie tropes, from the pacing of each scene, to the slapstick and cheesy one-liners and forced folksy catch phrases("everything you just said...is wrong").
Luke was a blend of "crazy Yoda" and "wacky funny kung fu master."

But of course the student wins over the master through persistence, gets shown they are a fool who knows nothing, then learns the ancient secrets and is entrusted with the power of the sacred scrolls. Then they fight the master's strongest student-turned-bad-guy. Kung fu plot 101.
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Chalky White - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:30:19 EST ID:PAqz7yg6 No.392037 Report Quick Reply
>>392019
thank god I got the original trilogy on VHS before they started to release special editions of it.
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Theoden - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:31:23 EST ID:b7Pv5jXy No.392041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's to Empire what TFA was to Star Wars. The Resistance is at a disadvantage, there's huge new Star Destroyer, the group splits up after the a close escape and reunites during the climax, there's a Jedi training sequence on a remote planet, a new scoundrel of questionable allegiance, a parentage reveal, and the ending is melancholy but hopeful.

It's much more comedic than Empire, and the action more ostentatious, but both elements work. Some might think there's too much humor, but it didn't bother me. It's beautiful to look at, exciting, and has some genuinely emotional moments. It won't hold up under the electron-microscope that fans have and will continue to put it under, though. Any bias or gripe one could have against the series as a whole or against the Disney take on it will be confirmed, mostly because, like I said, it's to Empire what Force Awakens was to Star Wars.

It's a good time at the movies and a worthy entry. I liked it better than any of the prequels, though it's probably most comparable to Revenge of the Sith in tone and feel. I have pretty much the same feeling coming out of it as I had when I left TFA: the movie entertained me and justified its existence as a numbered Star Wars film by continuing the saga of that wacky Skywalker family in ways that make me want to see what happens next.
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Donald Draper - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:33:10 EST ID:qWJLJG8s No.392042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I saw the thing in theaters instead of letting yall spoil it. I thought maybe ep7 was boring cuz you guys spoiled it for me but idk this was dull with no spoilers whatsoever to taint the viewing. the highlight of the film was when i thought i lost my ticket and was afraid to leave to pee and get more food but then i found my ticket and that made me happy cuz I could get away from the film a minute.. I should give it one compliment, the director is better than last time, I like all the red goodness over lens flare.
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Charlie Kaufman - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:19:36 EST ID:PPBdRS2a No.392050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392032

I disagree, I've always felt that the response to the prequels were over-exaggerated. They're certainly not the greatest, some of the acting is stiff, effects are quite terrible but got better in the end. But the point is: Lucas told original stories and came up with original set-pieces and ideas, showing viewers things that they'd never seen before in the series.

We're two movies into the new trilogy and the planets have been so redundant... Not Tatooine, Hoth with Salt, Endor by another name... Compare this to Naboo, Mustafar, Geonosis, Coruscant, Kamino... Lucas had a creativity that is severely lacking and even if he didn't write the best dialogue (like what we have now is much better?), you could still be sure you weren't going to see something new as a fan.
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Wikus van de Merwe - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 19:00:19 EST ID:0xhzEBxT No.392052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392050
>effects are quite terrible but got better
There's really good effects mixed in between scenes with horrible CG, or actors in front of greenscreens that are later replaced with practical effects.
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Thomas Anderson - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 22:16:55 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392050
"stiff" is an understatement for how horrible Anakin was in the prequels.
They either casted him wrong or wrote his character wrong because he was just an annoying faggot, much like Kylo Ren. Not a very good villain and not a very compelling story.
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Severus Snape - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:31:06 EST ID:kZ2PjT+d No.392055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>mfw people are saying that Last Jedi was an "innovative new direction" for the series

I guess these people never watched a Marvel movie because thats what it was
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Thomas Anderson - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:48:19 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392055
Yup, that's why Disney has cornered the manchild fanboy market, so that they can with little effort pump out 5 shitty movies a year and make fucking BANK.
Genius plan, the funniest part is people like this guy ( >>392033 ) who are just happy as a pig in shit about their shitty comic movies becoming even shittier overnight.
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Samsara Siddhartha - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 01:37:23 EST ID:tQm3xdIG No.392059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391994
OOOOOhhhh, psychojolly african-american qu'est-ce que c'est Fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fuck you, fuck you awaaaaay!!
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Vash the Stampede - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 02:10:25 EST ID:bzqQ2Fa1 No.392062 Report Quick Reply
$45 million on opening night. Lower than TFA but still the second biggest opening ever.

>>392055
And they’re saying it’s the best film since The Empire Strikes Back. I mean I don’t disagree with that assessment but it’s a bit of a stretch to say that.
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Christian Troy - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 02:33:08 EST ID:v7A+syAG No.392063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392055
>>392062
Reviewers were saying this kind of shit about Force Awakens and Rogue One too. I think they just desperately want to be one of those review quotes in commercials.

"a groundbreaking innovative epic with plenty of zazz and panache"
-the new york times

"blows the original space wars movies out of the water"
-jerrywatchesmovies dot biz

"the best science fiction film since metropolis or iron man 2"
-star wars rule34 subcirclejerk
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Tricia Helfer - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 07:10:23 EST ID:eTSGdPcJ No.392069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392063

Nah, it’s really because the Mouss won’t let you say anything negative about Star Wars.
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Tricia Helfer - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 07:10:49 EST ID:eTSGdPcJ No.392070 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392069

Mouse*
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Samsara Siddhartha - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 08:21:28 EST ID:NxqE+rji No.392071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392062
It's fun because it's a deeper force movie. They lean more into the universe and don't play it safe.
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Bart Simpson - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 08:39:39 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392072 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392050

>They're certainly not the greatest, some of the acting is stiff, effects are quite terrible but got better in the end. But the point is: Lucas told original stories and came up with original set-pieces and ideas, showing viewers things that they'd never seen before in the series.

It's my fault for not elaborating on what I meant, but this is precisely what I was thinking when I wrote that the movies were "only good on paper." I agree with everything you're saying. The Clone Wars even helped tell more original stories, and show the fans places that they haven't seen before. So far, EPVII and VIII haven't brought much to the table in comparison.
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Samsara Siddhartha - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 09:25:51 EST ID:NxqE+rji No.392073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392072
The rebellion has had to deal with the military chain of command, it makes sense that Return was the end of things. Awakens and Last show that this particular moment in time is pivotal.
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Severus Snape - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 11:47:08 EST ID:kZ2PjT+d No.392074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392069
User reviews on Rotten Tomatoes were also conveniently locked once it hit 60%. No one was allowed to vote for a while. Its back up now and at like %54
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Danny DeVito - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:41:33 EST ID:36qWrDag No.392079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just saw it, the plot was pretty all over the place at times but it was fine in the end I guess. Not sure why they had to kill of Luke at the end, that seemed unnecessary. Also all the stuff with Finn and the asian girl was a huge waste of time. eh whatever, it was okay.

Also people should not be bringing their kids to this shit, so many people are just consumed by fire in this movie, it's crazy how many people just die and these parents drag their 8 year olds out to see it because muh Star Wurz.
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Gene Wilder - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 21:33:16 EST ID:kZ2PjT+d No.392080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392079
Fighter pilots being killed by being engulfed in flames has always been in Star Wars movies.
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Gene Wilder - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 03:23:54 EST ID:kZ2PjT+d No.392085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Apparently the sound cuts out during the premiere and the entitled "fans" aka babies cause a near riot in the lobby.

They all start demanding that they restart the entire movie and the employee comes out like a boss and straight up tells them "no". I love the fan dressed up thats like "dont worry, they told me, they will restart it"

Mad respect to that employee

https://youtu.be/SaJMiKQx27U

As someone that works in a theater, I can tell you that we never restart movies. Everything is now automated and schedules are timed out to the minute. Restarting the movie would throw everything off.
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Gene Wilder - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 03:26:14 EST ID:kZ2PjT+d No.392086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c_eOmMMKRs

another report
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Viggo Mortenson - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 10:18:02 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character." - Mark Hamill

It still blows my mind how Luke went from being taught by Yoda and Obi-Wan, redeeming space Hitler, to attempting to kill his own nephew. I have to wonder if this decision was really made by JJ Abrams since we were left with Rey meeting Luke on an island at the end of TFA.
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Doctor Manhattan - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:52:23 EST ID:0LHDcGgb No.392094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzlXzftbMKc

yeah cause they never showed that before
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Cujo - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:37:49 EST ID:ixydHTyt No.392097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is the worst star wars movie out there. Fight me.

No need to defend this opinion. Its simply true.
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Danny DeVito - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:44:56 EST ID:36qWrDag No.392098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392094
Only watched the first 4 of those but notice how they show a moment of electronics flashing inside the cockpit and then the camera pulls out to show the model exploding? That's very different than leaving the camera on a human face as it is consumed by fire like happened something like 10 times in TLJ. Phasma also dies by falling into blooming flames right after we see her face (eye) for the first and last time in the whole movie. There are other examples that I'm already forgetting because that's what this movie was, forgettable.
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Hodor - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:15:13 EST ID:OJDGZzTq No.392099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392098
Disney is full of violent deaths, you're trying to make it out like they were shown agonizing and flailing in flames. These guys fell into the void and vanished, just like Gaston, just like Mufasa.

You take umbrage with the flames, but not the dismemberment and decapitations? There are beheadings and dismemberments in other children's movies.

Of all the things wrong with this movie, you take issue with showing explosions and instantaneous death to children?
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James Doakes - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:41:45 EST ID:bI/LKf14 No.392100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392089
He didn't attempt anything.
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Robin Williams - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 01:58:08 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have people on my feed saying the movie was amazing and that they cried the entire time. Then I see bad ratings.
I can't help but think very effective marketing. Effective emotional manipulation (especially in the trailers) bordering on brainwashing.
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Eowyn - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 02:59:53 EST ID:039oAnv9 No.392110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I walked out on this shit of a movie half way through, it wasn't even Star Wars just disney stock footage.
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Fiona Gallagher - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 04:38:52 EST ID:4cd7mbWl No.392112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392110
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Fiona Gallagher - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 04:40:08 EST ID:4cd7mbWl No.392113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392110
That explains the Uncle Remus sing along in act 2.
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Gigi Edgley - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 14:39:34 EST ID:0LHDcGgb No.392127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392108
I know SW fans that'll defend the prequels to the death. So people enjoying a star wars movie even with its flaws isn't new. The one main complaint I've heard from people is the movie felt too long.
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Katniss Everdeen - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 14:56:19 EST ID:OJDGZzTq No.392128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392108
People are Stockholm'ed as fuck. I have seen plenty of reviews stating "i don't know how I feel about this movie. Of course I love it because it's a Star Wars movie; I just need some time to figure out what I like about it."

People are stuck with brand loyalty and with their consumer identity. They define themselves as nerds or fans, and are waiting for the social queue as to which opinion aligns with their desired image or in-group. Pop culture, fanboyism, and marketing says "best movie ever because Star Wars. Stick with your tribe! BRAND LOYALTY!", but that conflicts with the truth of the experience. If this didn't have the Star Wars logo stamped on it, it would be a SyFy Original tier piece of garbage with a trumped up sfx budget.
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Eowyn - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:58:27 EST ID:039oAnv9 No.392132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392128
The majority of reviews I've read seem to be positive, It kind of makes me think I should be wrong for hating TLJ. I tried to give it a chance, I kept telling myself "something will happen soon" kept telling myself, again and again. Then I guess I accepted that if I had to keep telling myself that to get through a fucking Star Wars movie then why am I even watching. I was legit bored. Left after that ugly cgi stampede that seems to be a prerequisite in a lot of movies today. Perhaps my expectations were too high. I really enjoyed TFA, Kylo freezing that laser in the beginning set the tone for me as to what I could expect. TLJ just seemed so flat.
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Bobby R. Hill - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 18:09:31 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392132

Kylo Ren seems to be the only good character from these new Star Wars movies. No one else seems to steal the show quite like him.
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Robb Stark - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 18:31:27 EST ID:qWJLJG8s No.392135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392134
I'm betting that has more to do with his actor being insanely talented than the writing. He was on that HBO show Girls which I know is a show that gets loads of hate, but Kylo's actor carried that show and did some of the best physical acting I've seen in TV, just nailing the mannerisms of a batshit crazy person
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Akira Kurosawa - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:45:31 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392135

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpr2WvQn-kg

He was hilarious on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. Pretty awkward and down to Earth.
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The Man with No Name - Tue, 19 Dec 2017 23:07:16 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392170 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Red Letter Media has spoken.
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John Locke - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 00:40:30 EST ID:cvWJakP4 No.392173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
honestly the fact that this actually seems to be fairly divisive with audiences has me way more interested in seeing it than the "yeah it's good I guess" reaction TFA got
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The Man with No Name - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:58:52 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392173

It's a divisive movie because Rian Johnson tried to make a Star Wars movie that's different than what we're used to seeing. And I don't think he should be praised for trying to change the formula, because this movie doesn't stand on its own. I, personally, don't think he a very good job at deviating from Star Wars tropes because there are plenty of books and games that did a better job at that than The Last Jedi. Knights of the Old Republic II is the first thing that comes to mind. I mean, there were some good moments, but the rest of the movie felt like filler.
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YEAH2017 - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:21:56 EST ID:5b5vSWrN No.392177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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C grade ~ deconstructing without introducing something better makes it feel hollow. Nice effects but has the "seen it before" feeling to it
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Lucy Pevensie - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:16:27 EST ID:qWJLJG8s No.392179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392177
That's how I felt about this and Thor. Stunning visuals, not much else to write home about. The big emotional ending moment failed to move me somehow, I was just like "ok, that occured'. Any other movie would have me bawling at that shit, like people would say 'who brought their crying kid to this movie?' before realizing it was just drunk me.
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Dobby the house elf - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:58:35 EST ID:rXeJPwFk No.392185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So it turns out the future /pol/ was so butthurt about the perceived SWJ agenda in the film that they vote brigaded the rotten tomatoes entry, nice.

Can't wait to watch it.
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Viserys Targaryen - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:29:57 EST ID:b3wsp8xH No.392186 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392185
actually it's a conspiracy theory
future's /pol doesn't have a large enough userbase for an attack of this size and there was no thread about this. so nope, sorry, people just disliked the shitty movie.
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Donald Duck - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 23:49:30 EST ID:YtqUzaB/ No.392187 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392185
Lol that's a marketing tactic that every movie and show uses now.
"It was just alt right trolls that didn't like it"
Misdirect away from the legit criticisms using the alt right boogie man. Even Battlefront did that.
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Donald Duck - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 02:20:21 EST ID:YtqUzaB/ No.392188 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392187
Star Trek Discovery, Battlefront 2, Ghostbusters, many others and now this.

Its as simple as creating a few socks puppets and have them say ridiculous alt right racist shit, then get a "news" agency to report about it and suddenly the simple minded turn it into a binary thing. Now its just people who liked it and racists/misogynists. Sometimes you don't even need to create the sock puppets, just pay someone to make a shitty "article" that cities twitter posts as news sources. The fact that this works so well and that dumb asses instantly accept it as fact and instantly start parroting it is pretty sad but it is effective. Misdirection away from real criticism and towards dumb ass click bait idiocy while at the same time essentially calling all people who didn't like it racist trolls.

I would have never thought I'd see the day when alt right trolls are the cornerstone of new marketing campaigns. It's pretty absurd.
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Nada - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:17:52 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.392189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Man, just saw this today. Loved it. Fucking loved it. Every second. I suppose one complaint could be that the pacing was off at times.

The harsh criticism some super-dorks are leveling at this film is completely flabbergasting. I don't get it. Honestly, what the fuck more do you want put of a Star Wars flick? Episode VIII had it ALL. Everything there is to love about Star Wars films is present here. The climax, especially with ol' Luke funally coming full circle, accepting that his time was over, he had passed on his knowledge to a new generation, hope was reignited throughout the galaxy, and it was time to truly become one with the Force. Just as Obi-Wan Kenobi had realized and done all those years ago when Luke was but a boy.

The film seemed to relish in drawing you in with Big moments that you think you can see the outcome of, only to take a sharp left turn and throw something completely different, but very welcome at you instead. Loved it. That's how you nod to previous installments of the franchise without overdoing it or becoming derivative a-la The Force Awakens. This is the direction I'd love to see Star Wars move in.

Personally, for me, this was the greatest Star Wars film ever made. But I'll admit, a huge reason why I feel that way is because of my having previously watched and loved the original trilogy. So many moments carried more weight with me, impacted me more than they may have otherwise. Rogue One was just as good, but I give the edge to The Last Jedi because R1 was merely a prelude to A New Hope, whereas The Last Jedi is a full-fledged episode.

Fucking fantastic. Everything I could've wanted. *mwaah*
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Nada - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:17:52 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.392190 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Man, just saw this today. Loved it. Fucking loved it. Every second. I suppose one complaint could be that the pacing was off at times.

The harsh criticism some super-dorks are leveling at this film is completely flabbergasting. I don't get it. Honestly, what the fuck more do you want put of a Star Wars flick? Episode VIII had it ALL. Everything there is to love about Star Wars films is present here. The climax, especially with ol' Luke funally coming full circle, accepting that his time was over, he had passed on his knowledge to a new generation, hope was reignited throughout the galaxy, and it was time to truly become one with the Force. Just as Obi-Wan Kenobi had realized and done all those years ago when Luke was but a boy.

The film seemed to relish in drawing you in with Big moments that you think you can see the outcome of, only to take a sharp left turn and throw something completely different, but very welcome at you instead. Loved it. That's how you nod to previous installments of the franchise without overdoing it or becoming derivative a-la The Force Awakens. This is the direction I'd love to see Star Wars move in.

Personally, for me, this was the greatest Star Wars film ever made. But I'll admit, a huge reason why I feel that way is because of my having previously watched and loved the original trilogy. So many moments carried more weight with me, impacted me more than they may have otherwise. Rogue One was just as good, but I give the edge to The Last Jedi because R1 was merely a prelude to A New Hope, whereas The Last Jedi is a full-fledged episode.

Fucking fantastic. Everything I could've wanted. *mwaah*
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Steve Buscemi - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:26:19 EST ID:rX1+lqZ9 No.392191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't feel too strongly about the movie one way or the other walking out of it, but seeing how much it's been pissing some people off has been fun. I don't usually get off on fan outrage or schadenfreude, but it's impressive how Johnson managed to take the piss out of just about every segment of Star Wars fandom without doing much of anything.
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Billy Peltzer - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:31:54 EST ID:Av2AleNP No.392192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>391925
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Steve Buscemi - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 05:18:45 EST ID:rX1+lqZ9 No.392194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392192
That image kinda exemplifies what I was saying about Johnson doing nothing, but rattling people to the core. Luke admits to brandishing his weapon. It's not out of character for Luke to act too quickly (ESB) or lose his cool (ROTJ), it's just not what some people wanted to see.
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Skinny Pete - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 05:46:39 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.392195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392190

I saw it today aswell! And i wish i felt the same way you do about it.

I liked it. but i felt it dragged on a bit i felt some of the parts were unnessisary and i felt that they were really pushing alt-left politics in the film, which i dont mind so much but moments where Poe (?) is basically setup to be a hero but is constantly thwarted and then tut-tutted by leia and purple hair. I kind of felt that they were commenting on how male heros are a silly idea? But i liked the asian girl and i do like finn.

I dunno if im reading too much into it of its just contemporary politics fucking with my head but is ben solo the head of the meninists and rey the head of the feminints? and the whole luke dying thing it kind of made me feel like they used to rely on men for hope and to protect them but now that rey is here there is no more need for luke skywalker or the jedi religion because now anybody can be a jedi because fuck religion, we'll even have some kid sweeping at the end use force the broom into his hand hehe

That all being said i did enjoy it, i wasnt planning to see it in cinema but i did, it was a good experience, some parts of the movie were incredibly tropey and obvious throwbakcs to the original trilogy, oh wait its not snow its salt hehe, oh no your friends are being shot at and killed better turn to the dark side! hehe! oh i thought i sensed something in you which could be changed so i willingly gave myself up to save you but you detrayed me hehe!

I feel like they are killing off the old stories so they can go marvel universe on it, because of all the negative reaction the prequels got disney has to do this whole rigamarole around killing off the idea of the first trilogy and the only way to do that is by literally killing the central characters to those stories so they can move on and fans would be willing to accept the new star wars.
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Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:03:30 EST ID:OJDGZzTq No.392206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392195
Yes, you are reading too far into it. Disney wants MARKET SHARE, not to push a political agenda. You could already sell Star Wars to western audiences and white men. They have a female protagonist (two now, counting Rose) to sell to the female demographic.

They added porgs, cat-horses, and lots of colorful flashing lights to draw in the under-10 crowd; get them hooked when they're young.

Finn is a hero to draw in black people. Po is an ambiguous catch-all brown hero; he could be Arab, or Southern Italian, or a mestizo from South America (he's Guatemalan,if you're curious).

The cinematography and script followed an Asian style. Rose is clearly a plant for the dumpy, plain-Jane Asian demographic. People keep saying "Superman Leia", but it was actually "kung fu flying Leia." Even the clothing was Oriental style robes and dresses, instead of western styled togas and gowns.

The goal wasn't MUH CULTURAL DIVERSITY, MUH EQUALITY, MUH FEMINISM. It's much more simple than that: appeal to as wide an audience as possible and sell the brand. That requires diversification; the western audience has already been indoctrinated and is familiar with the brand, so go grab a different audience.
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The Master Control Program - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:37:52 EST ID:O5pywkOG No.392211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392206
I agree with your hypothesis
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Patricia McPherson - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:25:42 EST ID:r32MOgIZ No.392212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392206
Interesting, I wonder if this means they plan to take that newly expanded fanbase and do something more interesting with the next movie. First movie is fanservice, second is diversification and expansion of the audience and aping marvel blockbusters for maximum cashmoney, and the third does something entirely different but still makes money because the first two got everybody hyped. Alternatively, they just rest on their laurels, make endless sequels and spinoffs, and let the franchise print more money until people get bored or the next thing comes in. I'm expecting the latter but hoping for the former.
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Skinny Pete - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:25:51 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.392213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392206

I see what you mean and it makes sense.
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Chevy Chase - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:31:31 EST ID:1VnjbDoP No.392214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392206
>You could already sell Star Wars to western audiences and white men. They have a female protagonist (two now, counting Rose) to sell to the female demographic.
In other words, the only reason these whiny fanboys have to deal with all these scary women and minorities and normy shit and other changes showing up in their media is precisely because most of them are too dumb not to throw money at it no matter how mad they get, and these companies know that.

Fanboyism is its own worst enemy.
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Romana - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 00:45:37 EST ID:kuRLX2zq No.392228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rose was thick and delicious. They should have given her more sexy moments. I fear we are past the days where things like slave Leah are acceptable.
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Kevin Smith - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 01:04:02 EST ID:Z3Or7bWr No.392231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't even enjoy movies anymore, I just watch them out of spite.
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Pete Hogwallop - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 02:39:05 EST ID:wJF9TKhy No.392232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392206
you remind me of the shit heads on /tinfoil/

not because of exactly what you are saying but because of your unwillingness to acknowledge that anyone can have an opinion
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Puar - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 03:08:42 EST ID:rX1+lqZ9 No.392234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392206
You remind me of somebody with perspective.

Precisely because of what you said and how you said it. Bad opinions should be shut down as ignorance is an infectious disease.
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Gustavo Fring - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 04:39:33 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.392236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392206
Have you considered that maybe...you know...those people were cast because they performed best at the auditions and the casting directors thought they fit the role best? Not everything is some crazy SJW """"""Cultural Marxist"""" indoctrination scheme or some hyper-capitalist scheme to get precious monies. Sometimes a movie is just a fucking movie.

You have a rather warped view of reality if you think that there are black people out there who decided to go see the movie because a black guy was in it.

"Eh this doesn't look all that intere-HOLY GOD! A character who is the same race as ME?!? START THE CAR HONEY!!"

I think you need to spend less time on the internet.

It's a little funny/sad that so many people can't wrap their heads around the idea of a movie like Star Wars having people who aren't white males in prominent roles and have to try and rationalize it to themselves by coming up with all these ludicrous /tinfoil/ conspiracy theories. "No no no, it must be some scheme to trick all these demographics into buying tickets or...or some SJW propaganda! There's just no other way to explain the fact that so many of the stars arent white men! They can't possibly have been cast because they fit the role, THERE HAS TO BE A DEEPER REASON!"
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Gustavo Fring - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 04:40:33 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.392237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392236
Although it is true that they stick in characters like the Porgs just to help boost toy sales.
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James McCrimmon - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 06:20:10 EST ID:M0NSDYVN No.392241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392236
>Sometimes a movie is just a fucking movie.

lol good one
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Kelly LeBrock - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 06:39:43 EST ID:1VnjbDoP No.392243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392236
>You have a rather warped view of reality if you think that there are black people out there who decided to go see the movie because a black guy was in it.
He didn't say that's how he sees the world.

He said that's how the guys in suits see the world.

Stop making shit up to justify your high-horse moralizing.
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Marjorie Monaghan - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:05:49 EST ID:KB9+zZ2b No.392248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392236
did you even read his post? calm the hell down.
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Chani - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:08:19 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392236
Every Aspect of this movie was planned and for a purpose.
They plan on doing dozens of these movies. They don't leave anything to chance and do everything for the numbers.
So no, nothing is just a movie in this series, everything is calculated.
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Miria Harvent - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:52:21 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392252 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392249

>They don't leave anything to chance and do everything for the numbers.

This. Disney invested $4B in this movie.
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Abu Nazir - Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:37:05 EST ID:039oAnv9 No.392257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392252
CGI says otherwise. Rian clearly didn't watch TFA.
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Linda Hamilton - Sat, 23 Dec 2017 03:48:42 EST ID:BDo4M6Kv No.392263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392257
too realistic can be scary though
you want it to be realistic enough to be immersive but not so realistic they forget theyre watching a movie and that movie is fucking star wars
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Jenette Vasquez - Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:40:56 EST ID:eHcrAOLK No.392269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392268

Yeah, I've seen this video. As much as I like Mark, he's being a whiny cunt. I'm more concerned with which direction Disney wants to take the franchise, because as proven by the EU, Star Wars can be so much more than just "evil empire vs tiny rebellion." The Last Jedi is a messy movie, but I understand why Rian Johnson killed off Luke.
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Bart Simpson - Sat, 23 Dec 2017 20:08:07 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392269
But the Last Jedi is just the exact same as the franchise has always been. It did nothing new except waste a lot of the viewer's time with inconsequential side plots.
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Tarsem Singh - Sat, 23 Dec 2017 21:27:39 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392270
Never underestimate fans' tendency to invest thoroughly in the superficial details.
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Frodo Baggins - Sun, 24 Dec 2017 00:03:31 EST ID:V5moyPmS No.392274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392236
Except it is a matter of fact that JJ Abrams complained about Star Wars being "too white" and deliberately set out against that.
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Saul Tigh - Tue, 26 Dec 2017 16:59:27 EST ID:BDo4M6Kv No.392333 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392263
yeah i just watched it actually
there is no defending that cgi
that was some ps2 cut scene bullshit
and while every moment of the movie may have been planned to appeal the problem is that it is far too blatant in that attempt and will ultimately fail to do so

oh it will make its money back sure
but it is bad enough and following one that had many of the same complaints to a lesser degree that it WILL permanently tarnish the franchise and result it a stagnation in growth for years or decades

(oh it will grow....its to much of a giant to stop now.... it will just grow slower)
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Donald Glover - Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:58:09 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392299
>his character is completely rewritten senselessly
>the perennial fuckhead continues to be a fuckhead
I'm not seeing the blasphemy to SW lore here.
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Abby Maitland - Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:05:33 EST ID:3IcjeqHq No.392335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
haven't seen it yet, but come to think of it they could do an opposite reversal story with the dark side and the Emperor and now light side betting up that dark guy to remittance. I bet its nothing like what I have just wrote.
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Harry Sullivan - Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:45:42 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392299
>cultural icon
>magnum opus
lol..
Nobody forced him to do the movie.
He knows he can't act and that it will ruin his character doubly so because of that.
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Naboo the Enigma - Tue, 26 Dec 2017 22:25:30 EST ID:LlQ8keJm No.392338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392299
>>391925
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Neil Schweiber - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 05:10:22 EST ID:LgIV2jzV No.392342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392299
It was George Lucas (creator of Star Wars) who came up with the idea for a post-Return Luke to be in a bad mood, in self-imposed exile, and unwilling to train new Jedi. That Disney kept it all in could just as easily be seen as honoring a cultural icon who gave them custodianship of his magnum opus.

Luke is Luke in TLJ and whatever deviations are explained or understandable. His role models for being a Jedi were weird old hermits, and he might've gone that route even if things went well. He acts impulsively after a disturbing vision, something that has happened before. He was never overly sentimental about extended family. After the old Jedi's fuckups and his own leading to generations of war, it's sound reasoning to want to stop and go away. Guilt, PTSD, world weariness... we're lucky he isn't in a Galactic Civil War Veteran's Hospital finger painting and crying out for Dak in his sleep.

I can understand Hamill's and some fan's issues to a degree, but only because I think they've all had this "...and they all lived happily ever after," ending in their heads since Return and refuse to shake it out.
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Harry Sullivan - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:00:40 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392342
I bet even George Lucas, as much of a hack as he is, wouldn't have had him all sullen and ill tempered then have him crack campy jokes that are out of place and out of nowhere.
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Neil Schweiber - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:53:39 EST ID:LgIV2jzV No.392345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392344
Sullen and ill tempered made sense, and the out of place humor was everywhere in the movie. Not defending that, but to say Lucas wouldn't have done it is dubious. Wildly conflicting tones and campy humor were hallmarks of the prequels, and while Lucas may have scripted less for Luke himself, all the shit around Luke with the Porgs and Caretakers probably would've been much worse. I just took it as Luke being sarcastic. He doesn't want Rey there or to go back. It wouldn't make sense for him to be inviting, warm, and friendly.

Like I said, I understand folks feeling that this Luke is wrong, but I think he just suffered from the opposite of what folks complained about with Han Solo in the last one. Han didn't evolve at all; Luke grew a lot. Sure there was probably a happy median that could've been reached for both guys, but whatever. They did their jobs. Rey has the Millenium Falcon and the Force now. Next movie she'll collect Leia's son and have the whole set.
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Harry Sullivan - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:07:04 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392345
That's true actually. I kinda forgot about that. It's kinda like how 4&5 were kinda serious then 6 starts with poop jokes.
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Jenette Vasquez - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:14:36 EST ID:qfQiOVkP No.392348 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392342

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/12/26/mark-hamill-regrets-criticizing-luke-skywalkers-character-last-jedi/983326001/
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Rei Ayanami - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:26:45 EST ID:PFOOT5Nj No.392350 Report Quick Reply
>>392348
Sounds like Disney threatened to kill his family, you can tell he doesn't think Last Jedi is the 'all time great star wars'. Fuck Disney, Hammill has a right to his opinion whetehr you loved or hated the film. And this Rain fuck, maybe he knows how to make pretty salt look cool, but fuck if he knows what a plot is.
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Neil Schweiber - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:49:18 EST ID:LgIV2jzV No.392352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392348
>>392350

>Mr. Hamill are you sure you need this many tickets to The Last Jedi?
>Yes I am sure. As sure as sure can be.
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Jenette Vasquez - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 10:16:53 EST ID:qfQiOVkP No.392353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392350

The rule of thumb is to never criticize the movie you're in, especially if it's a Star Wars movie. He opened his mouth too much. In these situations, whether you agree or disagree, you gotta take it up the ass.
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Clay Morrow - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 11:47:50 EST ID:8MbDiOMm No.392354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392353
why? the promotional tour is over and they killed his fucking character lol if he was fired/blocked from the franchise, i mean, would it have made a difference to him?

if he was called into a higher ups office and they had a talk about how he needed to stop his social media behavior/criticism of the movie, tbh i'm shocked that he capitulated.
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Crispin Glover - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 15:27:24 EST ID:u2sIBTnm No.392360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392354
Disney probably subtly hinted that they would destroy him. Disney is the most powerful brand in the world and they have their gloved mouse fingers in a lot of pies. Mark has just enough influence when it comes to Star Wars to get their attention with his comments.

His career is basically just voice acting for the last 20+ years he's not exactly Harrison Ford when it comes to star power or fuck you money. They could probably make it really hard for him to continue working.

Or he just had a change of heart who knows.
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Abu Nazir - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:32:57 EST ID:gqkDoIQO No.392365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392360

Mark Hamill got dat Chris Roberts money.

You know, that guy who can't finish a video game

How hard is it to make a modern version of Wing Commander?

>Nobody knows, we always blow the budget on live action Mark Hamill.
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Hannibal Lecter - Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:51:51 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.392366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe Mark Hamill is just anti-disney because he gets most of his work from warner brothers these days.
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Matthew Weiner - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 10:15:27 EST ID:Eo2AN0Uh No.392386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ITS FUCKING STUPID!!
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Dolphin Boy - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 10:25:42 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.392390 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391925
Is it so hard to believe that Hamil didn't agree with the characterization of Luke while filming, but realuzed after seeing the finished product and how his scenes fit into the greater story that it was perfecfly fine and the film was perfectly fine?

Nah, makes more sense that Disney's hired goons threatened to break his legs, his career, and also whack The Girl unless he walked back his comments, see?
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King Ghidorah - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 10:55:33 EST ID:lbQN+sG4 No.392392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392390
>Is it so hard to believe that Hamil didn't agree with the characterization of Luke while filming, but realuzed after seeing the finished product and how his scenes fit into the greater story that it was perfecfly fine and the film was perfectly fine?

Not at all. Also not hard to believe that somebody associated with the film asked Hamill to walk back his critiques or reminded him of a non-disparagement clause in his contract. TLJ is lagging behind TFA, and surely Hamill realizes that just by virtue of being who he is anything he says will influence the movie's take. Even a gentle nudge could've prompted him to tweet what he did.

I imagine he saw the movie before Tuesday, so not all of his critiques were pre-release. He seems like a chill enough dude to willingly say something nice about the movie if asked by Kathleen Kennedy or Rian Johnson. It's not like he disavowed his comments, he just chalked them up as creative differences and called the movie great.

The image of a couple toughs in business suits and mouse ears kicking Hamill's door in and threatening him is much more entertaining though. Let us have our hyperbole.
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Denver, the Last Dinosaur - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:17:51 EST ID:PFOOT5Nj No.392393 Report Quick Reply
>>392392
Your innocence is so cute that I'm not even going to try telling you otherwise. I'm sure nothing scary happened to Hamill behind the scenes to prompt this, keep believing that please.
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Thick McRunfast - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:00:08 EST ID:juTcUZOq No.392398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392393
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Denver, the Last Dinosaur - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:18:50 EST ID:PFOOT5Nj No.392399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392398
lol.

I feel I should say that I am relatively new to Star Wars fandom, I saw all the old movies only when ep 7 was about to come out, so as a SW fan, Last Jedi is my first chance to be in on the infamous SW obnoxious fandom that I always heard so much about. Who ever knew that autismally dissecting a kids space romp could be so much fun? I'm almost glad this movie sucked, this is way funner than after ep 7 just saying 'yeah it was cool i guess'
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Thick McRunfast - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 13:49:13 EST ID:juTcUZOq No.392406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392399
cool story bro

>>392170
this one begs for an old fashioned 10-part plinkett review.
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Natsu Dragneel - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 15:09:22 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392406

They didn't hate it though. They just thought it was a messy movie.
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Thick McRunfast - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:02:03 EST ID:juTcUZOq No.392420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392412
okay, well, nobody asked you, they clearly didn't like it, and when did it become a rule for them to hate it to make a mr. plinkett video?

like i said, the last jedi begs for a plinkett review. this hitb scratched the surface and was bare bones af. when mike listed off all the goofy shit and got to talking about bb-8 driving the thing it really made me want to see him rail on those moments in character.
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Buck Plankchest - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:45:19 EST ID:0LHDcGgb No.392425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392412
Plinkett reviews nitpick while also making good points, so it being messy is pretty much a good reason for a plinkett review to break it down on what went wrong. lol
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Bart Simpson - Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:21:31 EST ID:c8n89GcH No.392442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392135
For real. Driver owned every second he was on the screen. The only good thing about the movie was his arc: dude even went full Vader for a minute, choking the shit out of Hux for talking back to him.

>comparing this to Marvel shit
Yeah, that sounds about right. There was way too much stuff like Luke doing the Matrix-dodge and brushing off his shoulder that don't belong in the Star Wars universe and were jarring to see. IDK who pitched taking mannerisms from real life and putting them into the movie, but I hope they regret it.
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Richard Dunn - Fri, 29 Dec 2017 01:30:42 EST ID:juTcUZOq No.392447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392442
>The only good thing about the movie was his arc
it's really the only thread from this movie that makes me anticipate episode IX, and even then i'm fully expecting him to die a cliche noble death. rey and the broom kid and the whole "the past is dead. the force is woke" vibe make me think they'll end the skywalker line to free things up creatively.

then the force can just be out there and anybody who wants to use the force and spin a lightsaber can do so. then they can cook up whatever snokes and reys they want to to make this shit go on forever, no questions of who trained who or who is who related to necessary.
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Joseph Dredd - Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:08:09 EST ID:rjCzYiG8 No.392459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
More like The Last Gaydi
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Mordecai - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 08:50:22 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392459

Ha! Good one.
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Allan Smithee - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 08:55:35 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392447
How is that a problem exactly?
Both the prequel trilogy and the OG trilogy were about shining a light on how stupid special snowflake "chosen one" narratives were. Believing that bullshit is what made everything go to hell, and rejecting that bullshit is what saved the day.
This whole the-force-is-everywhere angle is the most fundamentally Star Wars thing in the damn movie.
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Pamela Hensley - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:49:17 EST ID:BheEx2mj No.392488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392485
>How is that a problem exactly?
when everyone is a jedi, no one will be.

plus it's being done cynically, just so that the "saga" can go on forever. as many have pointed out is just another disney property now. TLJ is clearly rian johnson setting up his trilogy. the 8th movie of a 9 movie series shouldn't be breaking the foundations of the series, but this is the 8th movie of an infinite series, so fuck it. rey's journey is still that of a special snowflake, except she's special with no justification, a "chosen one" who just appeared. that is why people cried "mary sue!" after TFA and why she's the least talked about main character coming out of TLJ.

the complaints and debates about luke are the death rattle of star wars as something special. the most fundamentally star wars thing about any of the disney produced films is merchandising. may the schwartz be with you.
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Allan Smithee - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 11:03:28 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392488
>when everyone is a jedi
...Said no-one in the entirety of movie.
Is this what all the bellyaching is about? A fundamental misunderstanding of the laws of probability? Do y'all think Chewie's gonna whip out a force choke in Ep9?
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Saul Goodman - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 11:09:31 EST ID:8/fW/Xo2 No.392490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392489
>Do y'all think Chewie's gonna whip out a force choke in Ep9?
I sure hope so
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Allan Smithee - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:05:32 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392490
kek
Point being Was Yoda a Skywalker? Was Qui-Gon? Was Windu or Sheev or any of the several thousand years worth of Jedi & Sith before them? No: they were born force-sensitive by luck of the draw. Or maybe just picked at random and trained into it, IDFK their backstories even when they were canon.
So what's so different about this time around the cycle? Nothing. Anakin & Luke were never the metaphysical center of the universe; just in one short <100 year stretch of its history. The Galaxy Far Far Away was there before them, it'll be there after them, the saga always HAS gone on forever. The movies are just acknowledging that instead of leaving it to the disposable fanficiton of books, comics, vidya etc..
WTF even is this THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE MOREEEEEEEE twaddle? No shit they wanted to make more! Why the fuck do you think spent a gorillion to get it? To suck off Lucas for ~6 years then let it gather dust? Or were you expecting them to give Luke Force Regeneration powers & keep re-casting him until the sun burns out? THAT would be doing it fucking cynically. Thank fuck they know better. Maybe it'll even get them to shake properties that fell into that trap out of it, but that's another topic.
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Saul Goodman - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:44:11 EST ID:8/fW/Xo2 No.392492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392491
I'm not even the guy you're having this whole discussion with I just wanted to jump into this thread and be an asshole for a second.

but really l personally see no problem with anyone having the capability to use the force, or for there to be other stories in the universe about different people. Luke and Anakin got their time to shine in their lifetimes, and other stories don't have to copy theirs either. Star Wars is a universe you can do damn near anything in as the extended universe books and comics and games proved, but likewise you gotta do it well, or at least bring something unique to the table. I was underwhelmed by these movies, as I was by a lot of extended universe stuff. I don't think it fucks up the universe or shits on the legacy of the series or anything, but they're really nothing special compared to the original trilogy, or even the prequels. As flawed as the prequels were they were more memorable than what disney as put out so far. these new ones are at best, good summer action romps. that's not good enough in this situation. All that said, it's entirely possible they can do something worthwhile later. disney is just gonna keep putting these out, and while I understand what the other guy is saying about that making the series a lot less special, we might get something good down the line by random chance. just needs the right director/writer combo. who knows what could happen.

also the super star wars on the snes is the best product the franchise has ever put out. all three of em collectively. fuck everything else.
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Barbarella - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:54:29 EST ID:brkfdeh0 No.392495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392489
>Do y'all think Chewie's gonna whip out a force choke in Ep9?
Expect it, no, but of all the characters you could've picked he's the one that would least surprise me to be an undercover Jedi.

He takes part in a bunch of the most dangerous and consequential missions/battles of all 3 wars, relatively unscathed. He goes way back with Yoda, was in the perfect spot at the perfect time to meet Obi Wan and Luke, and only when Darth Vader or Kylo Ren was on the scene did his party get jeopardized or he get wounded. I can actually picture a scene where Kylo Ren gets Force pushed away just before beheading Rey and the camera pans over to Chewbacca with a lens flare behind him holding up a paw. Hey, that explains why Yoda was so flippant-- he knew the order could live on without Luke!

I think the message of The Last Jedi of putting the past behind is good and definitely will open things up creatively. I also think how the movie did it and the sense of finality it had left it open to criticisms. If the X-XIII trilogy is good then people will reevaluate this movie as the one where Star Wars broke out of its mold. If they suck, people were pile on Last Jedi and point to it as where it all it went wrong.
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The Man with No Name - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 19:08:47 EST ID:WtlKkbXs No.392498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392447
>then the force can just be out there and anybody who wants to use the force and spin a lightsaber can do so.

That's the whole point of the Chosen One being a dirt poor orphan, you tard. If Luke, a literal dirt farmer can become the powerful savior of the universe, so can YOU, random nobody from Nowhereville!
Same for Harry Potter. Same for Bilbo Baggins, same for Frodo and Samwise. Same for Krillin, a nobody with determination. Same for King Arthur. Same for the hero of almost every story. Destiny picks and elevates some random no one, and that guy could be you. If you make everyone capable of using the Force and lightsabers, then there is no in-universe reason for... almost everything else already established in the fiction.

>no questions of who trained who or who is who related to necessary.
That was never an issue. It was already canon that people could attune to the force and use it naturally and intuitively. Just like a closed-fist strike is natural and intuitive to most primates. The only difference is having a teacher and an established body of knowledge lets you cut through the trial-and-error of getting punched in the face repeatedly and breaking your hand when you hit things; you get to skip forward a bit and get to the part where you can do leg-sweeps and counter-punches.
Episode 1 has Anakin using the Force to pilot his pod-racer (extended lore also accredits his aptitude with machines to being intuitive, through Force sensitivity), never trained or attuned to the Force. Extended lore would say Luke and Leia's connection through the Force is what brought them together and motivated Luke to begin his quest. Obi Wan only taught him to feel the Force; which is equivalent to teaching him to make a proper fist without breaking his hands.

Even in the current canon, Vader didn't get every Jedi, he sure as fuck didn't get every Force-user, and he god damn sure didn't get everyone ever who would possibly be born with Force abilities. Also, holocrons, texts, holy/unholy grounds full of knowledge, and Force Ghosts exist.

Your logic of needing to do away with pedigree falls flat, because there was never a need for it.

The issue with Rey is that she went from screeching chimpanzee levels of knowledge and technique, to #1 heavyweight champion in literally a day. She got leg-sweeped in some McDojo in Arkansas, and then completed a 1000 man kumite. Meanwhile, Vader, the strongest Force user in the history of the universe, required 20 years of intense training just to hold his own against other weaker Force users. Luke had years of practice and could just barely jump a little higher and pull his lightsaber to him.
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James Stewart - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:06:27 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ya'll rush to dick ride Red Letter Media, but this kid brings up some great points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_3_W4GRb44
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Rainer Werner Fassbinder - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:17:34 EST ID:brkfdeh0 No.392503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392459
Best perspective yet.
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Rainer Werner Fassbinder - Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:21:39 EST ID:brkfdeh0 No.392527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392498
> If Luke, a literal dirt farmer can become the powerful savior of the universe, so can YOU, random nobody from Nowhereville!
In fairness, Luke was the son of a man who was conceived by the force itself. He was far from a nobody, and didn't become savior of the universe, the galaxy, or even the republic. He didn't happen upon a ring or sword, he was being watched by Obi Wan for his entire life so that when the time came he could be guided to use the powers that were in his blood.

>Episode 1 has Anakin using the Force to pilot his pod-racer (extended lore also accredits his aptitude with machines to being intuitive, through Force sensitivity), never trained or attuned to the Force.
Again, Anakin was born from an immaculate conception. He was space Jesus. If anyone ('everyone' is clearly just a take off from that Incredibles quote) can be space Jesus than it does cheapen being space Jesus.

>Your logic of needing to do away with pedigree falls flat, because there was never a need for it.
I read that second line as him mocking the fact that Star Wars seems to be eschewing pedigree. Luke and Ben are the descendants of a Jedi of prophecy. Rey is just a random person. Snoke was essentially a McGuffin. A lot of folks liked the idea of the Skywalkers being specia and the war being a backdrop for their human story. Disney can't keep the series going forever if they keep it focused on one family, so by introducing Rey and Snoke they're priming the fans for main series episodes that focus on heroes and villains that are simply cooked up and given powers and set upon the galaxy. It frees them from telling the story of the Skywalkers on and on, but it also makes it clear that this is just another never ending franchise and not a 9 part story about a father, son, and grandson whose actions shape the galaxy.

The Kylo Ren arc is by far the most interesting thing happening right now, due in equal parts to him being a Skywalker, Adam Driver being great, and everything else either being blah or feeling like a retread.

I hope the future Episodes get away from the Force. For all its failings Rogue One felt fresh thanks to the lightsaber being relegated to a cameo. A common refrain is that Star Wars is "stuck" or "limited." Gotta have TIE fighters and AT-ATs and C3PO and the Millennium Falcon. Disney is milking all that for all its worth now, but I think burnout is inevitable if they don't do something different. TLJ was a step, and like I said before, I think its legacy will be largely influenced by the post Episode IX Star Wars universe.
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The Hound - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 08:03:18 EST ID:x1fM2OyY No.392559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If Luke was a force-ghost, how could he have dirt on his shoulders in the first place? It would just fall through him.
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Joseph Dredd - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 08:35:05 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392559

It was just another joke that didn’t need to be in the movie. No need to try to analyze it.
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Rupert Giles - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 10:02:10 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.392566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392559

is it really that hard to astral project dust when you're astral projecting an entire person?
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Phil Ken Sebben - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 12:47:59 EST ID:6Qq7ngyu No.392581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392559
I didn't see any dirt on his shoulder at all. He just made the motion, that classic Skywalker swagger.
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John Goodman - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 02:37:24 EST ID:E1IYAD/C No.392596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392581
Yeah for sure. There was no actual dirt. It was just Luke being cocky like he always was. Felt good to see.
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Daniel Craig - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 05:44:17 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392492
I know, I just realized I had more to say and took the opportunity
>they're really nothing special compared to the original trilogy, or even the prequels.
I 100% agree. In fact I thought Force Awakens DID shit on the legacy of the series, only went to see it because friends invited me. I like Last Jedi because it does an about-turn and rectifies my issues. By no means is it perfect, I just think - fundamentally - the apparent root of the bellyaching is kinda gross. Largely because of what the same philosophy I'm seeing has done to other things I love more, if you can't tell.
All in all this is the kind of jumbled chaos you fuckin' get when you change directors in-situ, but IMO the first director's vision was depressing enough that it's still a saving grace.
>>392495
Fair point.
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Chase Masterson - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 05:56:59 EST ID:BVqespi/ No.392599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
STAR WARS
Episode VIII
Luke Skywalker

Space casino, every villain dies
Except for Kylo Ren which gets turned back from the dark side,
but then he doesn't!
Luke Skywalker, now a bitter old man
lives on an island with funny animals. Lol!
Rey tries to get his help and eventually she does
and then he dies,
but not before ghost Yoda burns down a tree containing
all the previously canon extended universe books
Lol!

The rest of the cast do nothing but waste time
so the movie can be appropriately long and contain
the appropriate number of malplaced jokes.
Finn gets a girlfriend and kills space Brienne because
he is now a badass.
Poe is revealed to have high testosterone levels and
antisocial
personality disorder.
He is a very good pilot because of this.
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Daniel Craig - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 06:00:22 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392498
See, I thought this was stupid too and feel satisfied with TLJ's answer. Luke & Snoke both talk about how the Force is a cosmic balancing act, from their respective perspectives. There will always be the Light & Dark sides, they will always keep one another in check, and trying to eradicate one will merely result in the universe tipping the balance back. This ain't even science fantasy; it's Newton's 3rd bloody Law.
When there are no Sith and the Jedi become complacent & controlling, suddenly there's a SUPER Sith who's competent enough to become emperor under their very noses. Scant days after he starts culling Jedi (inefficiently, mind you - Kenobi, Yoda & however many other top-tiers survive), a pair of Force sensitive twins are born under exceptionally convenient circumstances. When they grow up to turn the tide back and both all-powerful Sith Lords die, suddenly this Snoke motherfucker who can force choke you from light years away appears OUTTA FUCKIN' NOWHERE. Who does a much BETTER job at exterminating the Jedi, turns everyone left to his side, and even gains a Force-monopoly once the one remaining Light-user shuts himself off from the Force in disgust.
As the story unfurls & time progresses the shift of power between the two sides has gotten more and more extreme. People don't give a shit about balance: just about destroying all opposition. So the universe has to double the luck-rolls. What we end up with is a galaxy with Snoke, Kylo & The Knights of Ren versus Light Side representation at all until... well, some dumpster-baby from the outer rim who went from screeching chimpanzee levels of knowledge and technique to #1 heavyweight champion in literally a day. Funny, that. Note how she can suddenly lift half a mountain juuuuuust after the only other Light-user passes on.

That's another thing about TLJ's direction; they keep fuckin' about with the supposed dividing line between Dark & Light. It's possible the Force is getting sick of all this see-saw shit and is prepping a "Grey" side, where the conflict is more internal & philosophical with less of an insane body count. But that's a massive tangent.
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Doug Funny - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 06:13:07 EST ID:ScC+8XEn No.392601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392581
>>392596
unfortunately, the added strain and concentration it took to brush his shoulder off is what did him in. Han tried to warn him.
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Daniel Craig - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:13:17 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392607
pfhahahaha had the same realization for a split second when I was finished
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Avery Bullock - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 22:01:14 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.392615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392599
I don't get how Kylo Ren's philosophy and motivation flew right over so many people's heads.

I guess they were too busy thinking about what to talk shit on...
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Christina Ricci - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 00:53:38 EST ID:ZPjiheLT No.392620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392615
Great insight, i sense, but elaborate you must, or strike you down with lightning I shall
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Meryl Streep - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 08:09:45 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392615
Heeeeeeeeee blames the old ways for all the turmoil in his life and thinks he can do better?
>>392599
"The extended universe" was all officially rendered non-canon like 4 years ago m8, how did you not already hear about this? The books contained piss-all; they were introduced for the movie only to be called worthless before its end.
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T'Pol - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 08:26:01 EST ID:GzDlIDy5 No.392630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Extended Universe is still leagues ahead of this junk. However, new movies are still what most folk want over a hundred books of higher quality, plus those tales can't be told in film form with the actors now so old. At least Timothy Zahn was allowed to move Thrawn into the Disney-verse and start writing new books with him. Oh well, fuck Disney, I'm off to read I Jedi until the Han Solo spinoff film drops on my dick.
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Judith Iscariot - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 12:10:51 EST ID:OE4TP+32 No.392642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392630
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Slab Squatthrust - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:30:14 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392630
Is this Han Solo spinoff gonna star Harrison Ford? Seems like it would be a better idea to do young Han Solo.
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Susan Ivanova - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:44:44 EST ID:zXNDiC9x No.392646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392645
It is a Young Han movie, you and Disney thought the same things. Donald Glover is playing young Lando i think I heard.
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Ice King - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 02:30:59 EST ID:u+SQmS1M No.392654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>392645
>young Han Solo

That's the entire idea, pic related.
Douchebro in the middle is playing Han.
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Dr. Hank McCoy - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:42:06 EST ID:eHcrAOLK No.392655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392654

>Emilia Clarke

But the bitch can’t act!
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Joe D'Amato - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 06:59:42 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392654
Well shit, if there's anything good to look forward to with that movie, it's Woody Harrelson.
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Mickey Smith - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 07:31:20 EST ID:zXNDiC9x No.392659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392655
Who the hell casts her in a movie where she cant show her tits? Pass. Also, whats with the black guy still having to be off in a corner. IMO he's more famous than titty dragon lady
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Valeris - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:13:35 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392659

lol, maybe it'll just be him and Woody carrying the whole movie. The last two years have been very good to Donald Glover. I'm looking forward to Atlanta season two.
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Bill Hicks - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:28:19 EST ID:0AMzdB8i No.392663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392662
Donald Glover Is a decent actor but he's never done anything worth half a shit. Atlanta is probably worth a quarter and his music is worth an eighth
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Mickey Smith - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:38:23 EST ID:zXNDiC9x No.392664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392663
In internet era, a cult following like Donald's can take you further long-term than only being known for showing your boobs for a couple years in your youth.
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Valeris - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 11:16:22 EST ID:Zh/sUEXx No.392667 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392663

Discredit him if you want, but again, the last two years have been great to him. He's landed good gigs, won two Golden Globes, won two Emmy's, knocked it out the park with Awaken my Love, and landed a role in the new Lion King remake. That's more than what most artist get.
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Joe D'Amato - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 13:16:54 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.392670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392667
lol the Lion King remake is gonna be horrible and popularity doesn't equate to quality. if anything it's inversely proportional.
The last two years have been great to Donald Trump. Doesn't mean he isn't a polished turd.
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Joy Peters - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 13:23:00 EST ID:vbENfQTJ No.392671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392670
glover is actually talented at his job though. he just needs a good role. I don't have high hopes for lion king either though. admittedly I wanna see how Eric Andre does as one of the hyenas. that sounds amazing.
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Bill Hicks - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 18:34:47 EST ID:0AMzdB8i No.392684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>392671
ha I wasn't aware he was doing that.
I bet he would be amazing for voice acting and I'm surprised he hasn't been tapped for that before.
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Sergio Martino - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:17:54 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.392877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDX-nywiTc#t=3m25s

If nothing else I found the King Arthur bit towards the end genuinely informative.
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Daryl Hannah - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:36:21 EST ID:l+lK6rN5 No.393231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-the-last-jedi-pulled-from-china-after-just-two-weeks?__source=Blastr_Vayner_Syfy_Facebook&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=lastjedipulledfromchina&utm_term=general&utm_content=link_ad

>The Last Jedi pulled from Chinese theaters after 2 weeks
Disney took a pretty big hit by failing so hard in China.
They tried very hard to gear this movie to the Chinese, but apparently Chinese people can spot cynical garbage better than Americans. Some rom com destroyed it at the box office.
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Sark - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:19:03 EST ID:dXCCR11f No.393240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393231
I haven't seen this movie yet but how is it "cynical garbage" just curious.
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Tuck Pendleton - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:03:01 EST ID:RKyqAlbv No.393241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393240
Read the thread. "People will buy it because it has Star Wars stamped on it:" is pretty cynical.
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Dr. Krieger - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 02:21:10 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.393249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393241
That's retarded. The movie isn't cynical at all, the people constantly talking shit on it are cynical and will never be satisfied with any Star Wars film ever, no matter what.

TLJ was easily one of my favorite Star Wars films, it had all the elements that draw me to the series and I hope some of the things they showed get explored more later on. Love seedy cities and rogues living by the holster of their blasters.

The main issue with the new series is that there is FAR TOO MANY *crucual* plot details and backstory and worldbuilding that's *only* being shown/explored in the Marvel comic books, not in the films themselves. People have sooo many questions about the events between Episode VI and Episode VII that they don't realize are being answered in these comic books that are largely flying below the public's radar.
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Dominic Cobb - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:30:24 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.393259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah so cynical.
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Agent Smith - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:22:50 EST ID:qwlz/Wqe No.393270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393241
It's actually the first opportunity they had to take a risk after the safey-mcsafe Force Awakens.

So they gave the whole project to some writer-director guy and he might be an asshole.
It's not cynical to take that much risk as the moment your franchise has proven that it's not the shitty prequels. It was a big risk, and one worth taking.

Maybe in another universe it worked out, because we sure didn't get that outcome lol.
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Agent Smith - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:24:30 EST ID:qwlz/Wqe No.393271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cynical would be making an entire movie out of references and fan service. Rogue One
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Mouse Fitzgerald - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:50:59 EST ID:cvWJakP4 No.393273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393271
or making an entire movie that's nothing but an explicit remake of a previous movie in the same franchise
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Shirley Bennett - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:18:40 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.393285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>393273
Or throwing in creatures to the plot just to sell plush dolls.
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Jin - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:32:22 EST ID:cvWJakP4 No.393286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393285
pretty much every Star Wars movie has something thrown into the plot just to sell a toy of some sort so nah
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Shirley Bennett - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:28:16 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.393290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393286
So because it's always been a cynical cash grab, it's not a cynical cash grab?
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Shirley Bennett - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:30:15 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.393291 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, earlier when I first said "cynical," I meant "cynical" as in committees saying "fuck them, they'll buy this no matter what, so lets make it as watered down as possible"
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Jin - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:32:50 EST ID:cvWJakP4 No.393292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393290
if the argument here is that Star Wars movies in general are "cynical" because they've always been at least 25% designed to sell toys then fair enough I guess. The toy stuff just always seemed like an incidental part of the way the world is designed to me but if it bothers you that much it's your business
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didn't even see the movie lol - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 01:22:52 EST ID:0HdK4soQ No.393299 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>393292
Big-budget science fiction movies already have plenty of merchandising potential with the crazy awesome makeup and vehicles. If it means cooler props, it's the good kind of incidental. If it means a dashboard plush toy that looks like it should be hanging from the mirror, maybe it's a little patronizing?
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didn't even see the movie lol - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 01:25:18 EST ID:0HdK4soQ No.393300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393299
oh shit massive file size warning my apologies. this is now a wallpaper thread
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Luke Skywalker - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 01:49:36 EST ID:YqxIIxzk No.393302 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> friendly reminder Porgs are not a Merch Sale and were done because there are Puffins / a species of Bird on the island they were not legally allowed to fuck with so they had to CGI them into Porgs for certain areas they filmed in
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Pamela Hensley - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 07:41:48 EST ID:FrSNKhL7 No.393311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393302
But if they had to CGI them into porgs then they already filmed it.
You mean birds have a right to their image?
whatever
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Dr. Sam Beckett - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 08:17:55 EST ID:dtQ3nifG No.393313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>393302
That's some "CGI out Superman's moustache" style thinking right there
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Sean Young - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 13:17:28 EST ID:XJnG29cz No.393319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393302
Seems like it would be easier just to edit them out rather than edit them into an alien species but I'm not Hollywood editor
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Bill Lumbergh - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:05:57 EST ID:ORXo7KmD No.393334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393302
>friendly reminder
stop
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Murtagh - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 19:24:39 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.393379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>393285
yeah when'd that ever happen haha
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IVeee - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:10:09 EST ID:QNUEnYTA No.394627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Who wants Star Wars 9?
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/02/star-wars-episode-ixs-script-is-finished-and-ready-to-be-filmed/
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Martha Jones - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:15:10 EST ID:cl8CNAPL No.394628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394627
I didn't know JJ was back for 9. Good, 8 sucked a bag of balls. Before 7, everyone was all "HURR FUCK JJ THIS MOVIE WILL BE ALL LENS FLRE AND NO SUBSTANCE", then it introduced amazing characters and had a fun plot, all of which Last Jedi ground out like a still-smoldering cigarette beneath the directors boot.
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Bubbles - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:54:22 EST ID:ewn8+MAH No.394635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394628
Yeah JJ is a bit of a hack imo but he at least knows how to make a movie. Most of his movies are well structured and know what they're doing. ( not the new Cloverfield though. Supposedly it wasn't originally a Cloverfield movie it was just generic sci fi but at the last minute they slapped the cloverfield name on it)
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James Doakes - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 00:01:37 EST ID:pK0NAxVm No.394642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394628
>I didn't know JJ was back for 9. Good, 8 sucked a bag of balls.
And that was a terrible thing for the entire franchise. Because now JJ is back.
They tried to keep the franchise from getting stale by bringing in some writer/director but now they can't let that happen twice in a row without damaging the momentum of the series and turning their gargantuan LucasFilm purchase into a worthless item.

So they bring JJ back. Keep the director safe, keep the script safe, keep the whole movie safe and mediocre just like a Marvel movie.
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Trent Lane - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:15:28 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.394647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394628
Oh please. When 7 came out, all anyone on the internet ever did was talk shit about how awful it was and how it was the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. Especially here. Then 8 came out and all the trendy kids decided THAT movie was the worst thing ever because *gasp* it was different to 7, which they now tout as the greatest Star Wars film of all time. You people are so goddamn fickle it makes my head spin.

7 was okay, but just a rehash of 4. 8 was fantastic, one of the best Star Wars films out there. It breathed life into the franchise by veering off the beaten track a bit. Kylo Rens philosophy regarding the force is really interesting, for once we have someone who realizes that the light and dark side, Jedi vs Sith bullshit is exactly that and wants to actually BRING BALANCE to the Force. Yin and Yang. Im excited to see where that goes. Plus, the scenes on the planet crawling with war profiteers was amazing, I'd love to see more of that side of the Star Wars universe explored. The gritty, seedy, futuristic cities that are so similar to NYC in the 1970s and the Han Solo, Boba Fett type characters are my favorite aspects of the franchise and I love that they got some spotlight. Seeing how life in this universe, outside of the goddamn wars and militaries and Jedi/Sith orders is something I've always wanted more of. Not to mention how great a send off Luke got, and he's come full circle, just as Obi-Wan had decades ago. But not before learning one more lesson.

But at the end of the day, no one despises Star Wars more than Star Wars fans, so there's literally nothing the filmmakers could have done. The shitlords would have their aspie meltdown regardless. In 10 years this movie will be touted as one of the franchise's best.

And tbh a huge problem with the current series of films is that there is a COLOSSAL amount of backstory and context that you can ONLY find in the current Star Wars comics being published by Marvel, which many people don't even know exist. SO MANY of the "plotholes" and questions people have about this era of the Star Wars universe are explained in detail there and they make things SO MUCH MORE CLEAR.
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James Doakes - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:40:33 EST ID:pK0NAxVm No.394650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394628
>everyone was all "HURR FUCK JJ THIS MOVIE WILL BE ALL LENS FLRE AND NO SUBSTANCE", then it introduced amazing characters and had a fun plot
That's just the thing. JJ wasn't allowed to create his own look for Star Wars. And he almost certainly didn't want to. Star Wars always has a classic look that still fits in the modern era and nothing needed to be changed about that.

That's one of the hundreds of mistakes Lucas made in the prequels, changing the look far too much. It's also why so many fans hate the Special Editions. The special editions clean up all of the special effects REALLY nicely, especially in the first Star Wars. Then they throw a bunch of CGI trash into the MIDDLE AND FOREGROUND instead of the background where they'd be subtle and passable.

Current CGI is great in the middle ground but not what Lucas was working with. And as far as foreground CGI, we have two main examples. The twin pillars by which modern CGI stands or falls: Iron Man's suit, and Superman's upper lip. Perfection, and disgrace.
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Katsuhiro Otomo - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 06:37:34 EST ID:cl8CNAPL No.394651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394647
>The shitlords would have their aspie meltdown regardless.
Judging by post length and spaz amounts, the only sperg fest happened in your post. Sure the major nerds bashed ep 7 but casual viewers like myself loved it
>8 was fantastic, one of the best Star Wars films out there
wish i had some of whatever kool-aid they gave you
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James Doakes - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:58:11 EST ID:pK0NAxVm No.394653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394651
General film nerds though. I feel like Star Wars nerds ate that shit up.
Film nerds view it as a paint-by-numbers pseudo reboot, and they have a very good point.
Star Wars fans generally like the new characters and forgive them being in the EXACT SAME STORY. Plus it's positively loaded up to the brim of acceptable fan service and they sort of go into a trance. I was in a Carrie Fisher trance, because she was and will forever be a drugged up bipolar goddess.
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Stump Beefknob - Sun, 25 Feb 2018 04:31:34 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.394674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394651
As a casual viewer what's so great about 7 and offensive about 8 to you?
I'd consider myself one and hated 7/liked 8. And to play into 394653's point; the most consistent logical praise I've seen of 8 comes from a proper Star Wars nerd who's ALSO a film nerd, for whom the latter takes precedence since it's his job.
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Emma Watson - Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:59:08 EST ID:mAlJeMH2 No.394675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394674
7 I had fun watching
8 i was bored to tears
reviewing a movie isnt fuckin rocket appliances (unless your autistc, which unfortunately plagues many of our finer residents here so I;ve learned to live among it)


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