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Westworld season 2 by C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:13:57 EST ID:bzqQ2Fa1 No.396956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Live without limits in a world where every human appetite can be indulged. This dark odyssey follows the dawn of artificial consciousness and the evolution of sin.

The season premieres tonight at 9pm EDT on HBO
George Costanza - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:32:42 EST ID:LLtYFXWY No.396959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>This dark odyssey follows the dawn of artificial consciousness


or maybe YOU'RE the artificial consciousness

Balalaika - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:33:54 EST ID:sGW+CuNo No.396962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Heard good things about the premier. Can't wait to watch it in several months when I don't have to wait for HBO's dinosaur piecemeal release bullshit.
Cary Grant - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:37:53 EST ID:3zpabiup No.396963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is there any place to stream this? I don't really wanna torrent it.
Slate Slabrock - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:48:39 EST ID:AbGdlWj0 No.396964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here you go
Slate Slabrock - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:51:22 EST ID:AbGdlWj0 No.396966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I actually prefer the traditional once a week format compared to the new trend of dumping everything at once. It gives you time to digest and discuss the episode and get excited for the next one. It also helps spread things out especially if you watch several new shows airing at similar times.

I often find that when I grab whole packs that I actually put off watching them a lot longer than I do with a single new episode.

NB double post
Hank Venture - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 22:17:24 EST ID:oAO0JgMv No.396971 Ignore Report Quick Reply

thanks dude
Slate Slabrock - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 23:01:24 EST ID:AbGdlWj0 No.396972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No problem. I have a huge media server with pretty much every new release and a ton of older/hard to find stuff so if anyone wants anything fell free to hit me up anytime.
Cary Grant - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 00:32:23 EST ID:3zpabiup No.396974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
blehk they really cranked up the cheese in this season. Deloris is being revealed to be a bad actress with her new character. I still enjoy the concept so I will definitely keep watching.
Trinity - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 17:22:27 EST ID:MIxWlzYo No.396991 Report Quick Reply
ratings down. Thank god, this show personally annoys me and I find it a shitty direction for HBO to be going. I want this cancelled this year and HBO to radically rethink their shitty post-Game Of Thrones gameplan.
Lando Calrissian - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:41:59 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.396996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doubtful but I won't tell you to stop dreaming.
Rectangular Businessman - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 00:20:53 EST ID:3zpabiup No.397000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I really like this show. Odd to see people hate it so much to want it to be cancelled.
Rufus - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:22:24 EST ID:H8wdw5bt No.397006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
welcome to the internet
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:40:47 EST ID:CwpsmMFL No.397007 Report Quick Reply
It was a good premiere. I’m assuming that the scenes with Bernard with Charlotte are in the past in the aftermath of the massacre and the ones with him with Strand are in the present since they came upon the hosts in the lake after Bernard activated the beacon that located Peter Abernathy. But when he checked up on himself, it said he had 72 hours to live but I guess maybe that brain fluid will keep him going and why he’s still alive in the present.

My friend and I were questioning though what Dolores’ motive is. Hosts taking over the world? I understand her character development in season 1 given her connection with Ford and Arnold (through Bernard) and what she went through in but I think it’s hard to become emotionally invested in a character without seeing how she got from point A of killing Ford fo point B of leaving people to be hung. I really love this show’s soundtrack and aesthetic though.

Down from last season’s finale but up from the series premiere but once you account for DVR and HBO Now/Go viewership, it’s gonna be way more.
Orson Welles - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:27:33 EST ID:IfwbKvx3 No.397029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Normally, I wouldn't be the type to shit all over some show just because I saw a few episodes and hated them. This one riles me more because of having been loyal to the HBO brand for so long that I get worried that they are flushing all their cred down the drain, moving away from realistic shit like Wire and Sopranos for genre crap. Even early Game Of Thrones felt like HBO quality entertainment, like Deadwood in a Lord Of The Rings-ish world, but once they ran out of books to adapt, it descended into Showtime-tier garbage. HBO, I have been loyaly pirating your shows for my whole life? Don't I get some say in the direction you take for the shows I will steal in the future?

Also, one of the Nolan cunts is showrunner. I thought we hated those fucks here.
Lando Calrissian - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:29:30 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.397032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're not really flushing their cred down the drain by making hit sci fi and fantasy shows.
It's not like they're bandwagoning. They created a trend with Game of Thrones and with Westworld they're seizing on a gap in the market with very few decent sci fi shows being around nowadays. It's just smart business really. And especially savvy with Game of Thrones even though they sadly didn't plan ahead and get good enough writers for when the source material ran out...
Princess Leia Organa - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:45:01 EST ID:Yj1BtbGs No.397034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Westfield has way better writing than late Game of Thrones. It all fits together like a puzzle.
Norville Barnes - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 21:42:40 EST ID:2cJqiCy4 No.397043 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>even though they sadly didn't plan ahead and get good enough writers for when the source material ran out

The fifth and most recent book, A Dance of Dragons, came out literally the same month that the first season of the show premiered, and GRRM was already "working" on the Winds of Winter at that point. That is 5 years GRRM had to get the Winds of Winter out before the show would reach that point in the series. It is really not HBOs fault that GRRM has not been able to put out anything in almost 8 years, and it is not something anyone could really have planned for.
Chandler Bing - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 21:53:35 EST ID:SkvT2fIW No.397044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wyatt's program took over Dolores' consciousness. Arnold put it in her. Wyatt is some kind megalomanic. I think a main plot line this season is going to be the Dolores program struggling with the Wyatt program. This is like how someone with new consciousness discovers their morality. At first, you don't know good from evil. Killing people is like killing ants to Wyatt, but we'll probably see the Dolores program struggle to regain control, and thus we have good vs evil.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:46:33 EST ID:bzqQ2Fa1 No.397048 Report Quick Reply
oh yeah that’s right, it’s why that one scene it showed her instead of Wyatt after she had killed all those people as part of his narrative in season 1. That does make more sense that Wyatt is taking over her consciousness and she’s doing things that he would do. Perhaps the timeline with Arnold in the distant past give a better understanding of that struggle of consciousnesses.
Flink - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:55:50 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.397050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
His book didn't need to be on shelves for them to make use of him. I'm sure he already knows what's going to happen, and it's likely that he gave some of that info to the showrunners though possibly telling them to take some things in other directions, don't know for sure though.

It is 100% HBO's fault that the quality dropped dramatically as soon as they couldn't get the dialogue to be decent after they no longer were able to copy and paste it directly. There is plenty of talent they could have hired but didn't.

>this is not something they could have planned for

Lol, after the book was delayed 3 or 4 times maybe the showrunners, if they weren't braindead, might have had a thought pop into their heads along the lines of "oh shit, maybe the books won't be out in time to copy directly, maybe we should get working on some scripts and decent plot so that we don't just have to shell out a bunch of dumb fanservicey bs at the last minute."

Idk, I probably would have had that thought. I give them credit for the adaptation, but as soon as they didn't have anything left to adapt it went straight down the drain, and it's absurd to blame that lack of artfulness on GRRM.
Jorah Mormont - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:20:53 EST ID:3zpabiup No.397054 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Actually GRRM DID give them plot points for the final two seasons. He actually stopped doing guest directors spots a while back as well. I think even HE has given up on the show.

They plan on doing a spin off after it is done based as a prequel. wew. That's what we want. More shitty scripts and suspension of disbelief. I new GoT went down the tubes when Arya was running away from the faceless men and getting stabbed in the gut only to be able to jump off of bridges and lure a girl into a dark room with a candle in it. That entire episode kills me. GRRM would never ever ever write something so stupid. It turned into an Avengers movie.
Norville Barnes - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 03:20:18 EST ID:2cJqiCy4 No.397061 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>They plan on doing a spin off after it is done based as a prequel.

Honestly if they do like a Dunk and Egg series that could be really cool and very easy for HBO to make well and cheaply, since there are no huge battles. Every couple episodes Dunk and Egg travel to a new place, get involved in local goings on, and move on after things get resolved. Do a couple character arcs, have good action and adventure, throw in some Targaryen background intrigue with Bloodraven, and you have a really simple formula for a strong show that would be different enough from Game of Thrones to stand on its own feet, and fun enough for normies to dive right into.

But yeah if they try to do Big Bobby B's Rebellion Bash it will be an absolute disaster.
The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:50:22 EST ID:U5DsaeYl No.397083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
West World is prophetic, and one of the most beautiful things I've seen come to television.
Flink - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:47:39 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.397089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The new episode was really good, not really much else to say about it though. I hope they don't keep the theme of time jumps though. The novelty has kinda worn off now after the big reveal last season and I'm assuming they were just doing it for the season opener.

Also, I'm guessing the whole Samurai thing was mostly a promotion gimmick. They've mentioned that there are a bunch of different parks but it has only taken place in the Westworld park. I hope that they don't go to an other park because I think that would make it feel kinda cartoony, even if it was just a bunch of Samurai hosts escaping into Westworld.

I also wonder how they will do this season without their being any guests. I don't imagine they'll get this whole thing cleaned up very soon, it will be interesting with the entire plot just being the hosts seeking whatever they're seeking vs the employees.

It's really badass to see Floki [sp] from Vikings show up as the new security boss I assume. He's a really underrated actor and imo the best character from Vikings and it looks like he'll have a huge role to come.
Oolong - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 19:50:11 EST ID:EDfoVDek No.397107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Westworld is bad
Léon - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:15:44 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.397108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ace - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:33:59 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Good premiere. Enough plotlines and new characters to bite into. All kinds of old characters following their own little agenda. Some good action scenes and tension here and there. And important to me, lovely gore and implied violence. The implication of an action scene in the past is just as good as the action scene itself. The scene in the control room with the dead bear carried an excellent vibe.

But much more important, it showed the shadowy underworld of Delos, and the nasty shit they run behind closed doors. Anyone who has seen FutureWorld (sequel to the Westworld movie) knows what I'm talking about. I doubt season 2 will follow FutureWorld to a tee, but it will certainly connect into it somewhere.

And we know there are at least 6 parks (WestWorld and ShogunWorld are confirmed; the movies by Crichton also featured RomanWorld, MedievalWorld and FutureWorld), and that the Delos Parks are somewhere in Asia - probably off the coast of China.
Also, we're probably 5 minutes into the future, because you can see some kind of advanced low-radar-profile amphibious landing catamaran in the distance. Technology will have to advance quite a bit for those kinds of ships to become viable for corporations/PMC's instead of just governments.
Ace - Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:37:56 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Forgot to mention, that still means we're missing one -World.
Morena Baccarin - Thu, 26 Apr 2018 02:39:48 EST ID:3zpabiup No.397119 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Oh please let there be Canada World!
Ace - Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:01:19 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think the last world is probably about some Asian country that isn't Japan. Since we saw a tiger and well, there are no tigers in Japan.
Claudia Black - Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:32:55 EST ID:fwKsRaPt No.397128 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I'm betting it's MaharajaWorld since I remember him saying it was a bengal tiger.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:46:29 EST ID:VelLV/T2 No.397129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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More like ModernDayMaharajaWorld.
Morena Baccarin - Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:04:24 EST ID:3zpabiup No.397131 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Flash Gordon - Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:02:48 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Also, the scene where that Vikings dude tells some Marines to sign an NDA and get the fuck off the island... Chinese uniforms.

Seems Westworld is off the Chinese coast somewhere.

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 26-04-2018 22:51:46
Saint-Exmin - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 13:49:30 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It doesn't make any sense to me. Why would they make a cowboy playground off the coast of East Asia? I suppose it's possible they're doing both but it would make a lot more sense to have a Battle Royale island where you can murder and fuck Japanese teenagers in their school uniforms. They'd go mad for it. It would be way more profitable than an arena for cowboys and Indians right on the other side of the world from the people who'd care about that. None of these problems with maintaining persistent populated settlements either.
Hal 9000 - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:22:12 EST ID:5mOxc/oC No.397206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because it's all artificial land. It's based on a site where they're currently building an artificial island off the coast of China.

It's not just Westworld. There are six parks in this place. There's Shogunworld and apparently a whole episode dedicated to it coming right next to it and presumably 4 other equally diverse settings because the bengal tiger didn't come from either of those.
Saint-Exmin - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:04:23 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's not a 'because' that's just some related but not pertinent to the question information.
Such a large playground is an extremely ineffectual use of land, especially if it's artificial land. It would make far more sense to have a sort of VR-holodeck combination thing while generating just as much money, or to have smaller, easily reset-able arenas, this would generate a higher profit at a lower cost of upkeep. Also if you can make beings that are accidentally a bit more sentient than you wanted then you can make AI too and there's the whole singularity to contend with.
The longer this show goes on the less sense it makes because they have to make decisions on how to present the reality they live in and they don't make sense.
Wayne Skylar - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:48:41 EST ID:SXI/TOhM No.397213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Money is clearly no object for creators nor patrons of these worlds. Also East Asian venerate the West. I thought this was common knowledge. That's why you can still get hired to "make a company look better" by merely being white, male, and tall.
Flash Gordon - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:56:57 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I imagine that in Westworld's world, most normal people experience their fantasies in VR. But the rich... the rich don't want VR. They spend half a million dollars to live out their fantasies.

Of course, it's pretty clear that Delos doesn't make it's money with the park. The park is just a means to an end. Getting their hands on the DNA and thoughts of the guests.

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 27-04-2018 20:31:10
Hal 9000 - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 18:36:46 EST ID:5mOxc/oC No.397218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol "the vikings dude"
As if he's not tied for second best actor of the Skarsgard clan.

Third most famous of the skarsgards though. But by that metric Alexander Skarsgard surpassed Stellan Skarsgard years ago, so that's some fucking bullshit.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 20:30:35 EST ID:Z5y+j84V No.397222 Report Quick Reply
Yeah Alexander was really fucking good (and intimidating) on Big Little Lies last season.
Tom Hanks - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 07:14:08 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397230 Ignore Report Quick Reply
C-Higgy is it really a spoiler when it's already a plot point from a movie from 1976?

I don't watch Vikings so I just called him "the vikings dude".
John Hughes - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 08:29:36 EST ID:3zpabiup No.397231 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You're right in the way that the show doesn't make sense but it didn't make sense from episode one. It's sci fi and you kind of have to stretch your imagination a bit. If you want to see someone pick this show apart while still enjoying it watch this youtube channel.


There are loads of mistakes in season one and he already has pointed out shit in season 2. But in multiple videos he says how much he loves the show. It's entertaining and it's a fun world. We need more high quality sci-fi shows.

Also a government would have shut down this entire park by now. There would be no waiting around for shit. The show wouldn't be a fun show then though. It would just be over.
Tom Hanks - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 09:55:49 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Also if you can make beings that are accidentally a bit more sentient than you wanted then you can make AI too and there's the whole singularity to contend with.

Pretty sure WestWorld works on the concept of the learning AI (AI that isn't programmed but "evolves" by learning from mistakes and creating its own code based on those previous mistakes), and implies that Robert and Arnold were so ahead of the curve (mainly Arnold) that they were the first to develop artificial sapience.
I will say, perhaps there are AI's out there in the world of WestWorld. We don't know anything outside WestWorld. Perhaps they'll go for the idea that an AI inside a humanoid body will radically alter it's way of thinking compared to an AI in a "box". There's some talk among philosophers and cognitive scientists about that; the idea that your intelligence isn't just dependent on your brain, but also on your body, because your body determines the "shape" of your brain processes - after all, your brain must move your body. We can imagine that an AI inside a computer could have drives that are so alien to human life that they never were seen as a threat. Meanwhile, the hosts, AI in humanoid bodies (that are far sturdier, smarter and faster than humans) would really go for that ubermensch aesthetic.

I know there's a theory floating around that WestWorld and the world outside WestWorld is all just a simulation of some AI or post-human machine race designed to recreate its own creation history based on little snippets of archeological evidence.
Of course, when you get into simulation shit, things can get REALLY FUCKING WEIRD really fast. Like that Oblivion film with Tom Cruise. I expected a dumb fucking scifi movie with beautiful landscape porn. I didn't expect that goddamn plot twist with the fucked up implications (kudos to the makers for fully embracing the baggage of you-know-what instead of just burying the full weight of it).

Personally, if I had to put my money on something, I'd say it's all parks. All the way down. And all the way up. Just parks inside parks inside parks inside parks. Like some fucked up fractal von-neuman probe gone full berserker-bot BLAME! dyson sphere solar system deconstructor that just started building amusement parks out of everything.
Amanda Tapping - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:09:11 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Personally, if I had to put my money on something, I'd say it's all parks. All the way down. And all the way up. Just parks inside parks inside parks inside parks. Like some fucked up fractal von-neuman probe gone full berserker-bot BLAME! dyson sphere solar system deconstructor that just started building amusement parks out of everything.
There's no way they're going to do that but it would be pretty great.
Dr. Quentin Q. Quinn - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:22:18 EST ID:wgKs6dXp No.397243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I agree with him. They'll probably never come out and say it but they'll leave the door open on it forever because that existential recursion thing is really the point of the show.

That or in the final episode we find out that the fifth park is "current_year land" and the final shot is the camera slowly zooming out of your television and panning over your own face.
Louisse Belcher - Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:48:24 EST ID:3zpabiup No.397258 Ignore Report Quick Reply

T'Pol - Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:18:01 EST ID:uOK0/nrV No.397312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dolores is so goddamn pretty it hurts
Sofia Coppola - Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:48:21 EST ID:u+SQmS1M No.397314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Really? I think she's kinda plain looking (which is sorta the point of her character within the park).
Nancy Botwin - Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:03:18 EST ID:3zpabiup No.397316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm really not liking this episode so far. Why does Laurence just go along with the man in black? Why would Teddy even know what the fuck is going on by looking at a few photos of himself dead? Why wouldn't the rest of Dolores' crew be just as shocked as Teddy was? Everyone should of been shitting their pants.

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 30-04-2018 12:54:21
Nancy Botwin - Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:03:45 EST ID:3zpabiup No.397317 Ignore Report Quick Reply

shit sorry. Could someone spoiler tag that.
Gustavo Fring - Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:09:33 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So from the Host's POV Dolores is basically some sort of badass necromancer witch. That's fucking cool but also wouldn't their first instinct be to try and burn her at the stake instead of just going along with what she says like it's not something that would sound like raving lunacy?
Krusty the Clown - Tue, 01 May 2018 13:52:13 EST ID:HvKj8J6V No.397362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The concept of Roman World and Samurai World are the dumbest fucking things Ive ever seen on HBO. Westworld works because cowboys use guns, and you can program said gun not to harm guests.

You can't program a fucking samurai sword not to hurt people.
Noranti Pralatong - Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59:11 EST ID:RNoOTJrn No.397363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think Dolores has the same power as the black lady. She can control the robots. Thr Madam knows she knows how to do it though, I think Dolores is still ignorant of exactly what she is, so she's doing it, but through intuition, instead of pragmatic logic.

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 01-05-2018 15:17:26
Gene Wilder - Tue, 01 May 2018 18:21:02 EST ID:Pz1/2Nkn No.397372 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The sword could lose its edge or something. Like a prop knife but sciency. It's possible in AI future land with science.
William Shakespeare - Tue, 01 May 2018 21:26:39 EST ID:hSM74+Sp No.397377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, lots of people gonna get poked and smacked with blunt metal.

Anyway I think that's why Westworld was the first park. Just consider the host maintenance costs. Bullet holes are cheaper than huge slashing wounds.

But I agree. The sandbox is fundamentally worse if the hosts have to restrain themselves in combat to keep from breaking your skull. At least gunfights would hold the illusion better until the point where you get shot and don't take the bullet.
Randy Bobandy - Tue, 01 May 2018 21:51:24 EST ID:0xhzEBxT No.397378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just as Bernard was programmed not to be capable of shooting Hannibal, the samurai could be programmed to lose sword-fights against hosts.
Additionally the swords could be designed to dull themselves if swung against a host, and armor could be designed to better spread out blows when worn by a host.
William Shakespeare - Tue, 01 May 2018 22:11:38 EST ID:hSM74+Sp No.397379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah but what about arrows? Actually the samurai's main weapon, and also a problem for Westworld.
Randy Bobandy - Tue, 01 May 2018 22:41:35 EST ID:0xhzEBxT No.397380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Mechanical guidance steers arrows away from the guest's exposed body, and deforms the head so it couldn't actually penetrate the skin if it did hit.

But Westworld is a romanticized depiction of the wild west where meeting popular conceptions of the west is more important than historical realism, in Eastworld, the primary weapon of the samurai will be the katana.
Al Pacino - Tue, 01 May 2018 23:10:47 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Reminder, WestWorld has melee combat too. And I think it's implied ShogunWorld is still in development. Hence why some testing of samurai hosts was done in WestWorld, not ShogunWorld itself.
Al Pacino - Tue, 01 May 2018 23:16:53 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, as the title ShogunWorld implies... it's about the Shogun era. The Shogun era is famous for basically killing off the "way of the samurai", reducing the warring militarized noble families of Japan in clipped noble families that just fought duels all over the place.

This is the point where the spear and bow were forgotten, and the katana (a simple sidearm) became prominent.
Wicked Witch of the West - Wed, 02 May 2018 04:50:58 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wouldn't shogunland require much more actual land than Westworld? Cowboys can wander around a small desert and fight each other but a shogunate is a whole little kingdom. To have more than a handful of factions warring you'd need a landmass almost as big as Japan.
Tammy Tangerine - Wed, 02 May 2018 05:00:23 EST ID:RNoOTJrn No.397392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Shogun Land will be a central hub, a town maybe, and on the outskirts of the north, east, south, and western edges, will be different factions. Guests will be able to chose their factions. The center hub will be neutral, and also have the most power. It will be the family friendly center. The farther out toward the edges you go, the more fucked it will get. Guests will get the chance to go up against other guests by each acting as generals, commanding troops, and entering battle if they wish but not necessarily.
Wicked Witch of the West - Wed, 02 May 2018 08:03:24 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It'll still feel really restrictive in comparison.
Al Pacino - Wed, 02 May 2018 18:06:52 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. When the Shogun ruled Japan, he forced samurai families to spend time periods each year in either Tokyo or Kyoto. This caused friction between families with grudges (resulting in duels) and it cost the samurai families a lot of money to keep moving themselves and their servants around the country.
Al Pacino - Wed, 02 May 2018 18:08:36 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>in either Tokyo or Kyoto
I forgot which city it was, but it was the city where the Shogun was located. And where he had all his soldiers, assassins and spies. So basically he could spy on or kill whomever he wanted during those periods where samurai would stay in his court.
Anne Lockhart - Mon, 07 May 2018 12:39:20 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.397674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hope the actress who plays Deloris never gets another role in a major tv show or movie again unless she is playing a wimpy pacifist character. She is just awful as Wyatt. Takes me out of the show every single time she talks in that smokey voice trying to be a badass villian.
Saruman - Mon, 07 May 2018 14:41:23 EST ID:PPBdRS2a No.397679 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lol, same exact shit has been said about Daenerys/Emilia Clarke. I'm beginning to think y'all just have a problem with strong, confident Blonde women... They should be seen, not heard, right? I think both actresses are wonderful.
Theoden - Mon, 07 May 2018 14:42:33 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Emilia Clarke's brunette.
Saruman - Mon, 07 May 2018 14:45:10 EST ID:PPBdRS2a No.397681 Ignore Report Quick Reply

And she plays a Blonde in the show everyone watches 😱
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 07 May 2018 14:49:59 EST ID:l7Q+NscE No.397682 Report Quick Reply
I liked Evan Rachel Wood in The Wrestler. Also her character is a host so that’s why she acts the way she does.
Ross Geller - Mon, 07 May 2018 14:56:15 EST ID:1LUlzS1I No.397684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
nah she's pretty great actually
Theoden - Mon, 07 May 2018 14:57:40 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah but their problem is with the actresses.
Anne Lockhart - Mon, 07 May 2018 15:07:49 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.397687 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nah that's just silly. I just don't like the way she depicts this villain character. She just doesn't get the character to me. It comes off as "IM ACTING RIGHT NOW" and it kinda ruins it for me. The way she throws her voice and carries herself doesn't come off as strong and I think that might be the problem. She's playing a strong character but isn't doing a good job at showing herself as strong.

There are plenty of strong females in movies and tv for decades that do a great job so don't throw that PC shit in my face.
Anne Lockhart - Mon, 07 May 2018 15:11:10 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.397688 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Now that being said I find the acting in the show is great otherwise. The father character does such a great job playing a glitched out host. I thought he did a great job in season 1 as well. Mauve does a great job. Bernard is wonderful.

The acting is fantastic honestly. It's just Evan Rachel Wood and not even all the time. Just as Wyatt. Whenever they do a flashback I find she plays her old character much much better.
Frank "Grimey" Grimes - Tue, 08 May 2018 13:43:01 EST ID:qMXyQXCM No.397724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yup, her robo acting is impressive IMO. The way she responds in the same tone and everything is really neat. Ya, it's just Wyatt ... with that said, it's real bad.

Also spoilers here but who's the badass Lady tagging along with Deloris/Wyatt. I mean who is that host, not really interested in their role. It's not the sexy I'm a robot, no I'm not, maybe I am lady from the flashbacks? I don't think it is though cause the show doesn't really let you peace things together without hitting you over the head with them. Speaking of badass ladies, when that one gal from Maev's posse pulled a "Gut's" I was hoping her replacement would be a little bit more badass and creative then just a robo arm. I thought she pulled an Ash Williams for a second and just straight up attached the flamethrower to her arm.
Carrie Fisher - Tue, 08 May 2018 14:33:14 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
*seven nation army plays on a sitar*
Carrie Fisher - Tue, 08 May 2018 15:26:37 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
E3 Right so they've shown how the hosts manage to not kill guests in gunfights they just sort of sting like a shitty pellet gun but that means for the hosts to not kill guests it's not a case of them deliberately missing but... what? They use bluetooth to switch the bullets to "safe mode"? Why didn't they just put squibs under the host's skin and make them easier to damage, have sensors in their bodies that explode when hit? How do you make a shotgun blast of pellets to the face "safe"? Why not put the safeguards in the guns themselves? Weren't the non-psycho hosts also unable to hurt guests with the guns they got from guards? This explanation raises far more questions about the safeguards on their weapons than it answers.
Leeloo - Tue, 08 May 2018 19:08:09 EST ID:WmuofxLm No.397728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're advanced simunitions, prototypes already exist [0]. They're regular bullets that if aimed at an actual human will slow down so much that will only hurt like a pellet gun. Current prototypes don't work that way but they can change course after leaving the barrel.

[0] https://futurism.com/wanteds-curved-bullet-now-a-reality/
Beetlejuice - Tue, 08 May 2018 19:09:26 EST ID:rlNQ1eiS No.397729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
there was quick comment about how the fake-munitions got turned off when the robots reblled, IRC the bullets are bullets with reactive casing or something that turns soft when it hits guests and solid when it hits hosts or something.
Have you ever noticed how they never specifically call the guests humannor mention humanity? I think everyone, guest and host, are robots, being watched by a third party for amusement
Carrie Fisher - Tue, 08 May 2018 19:26:21 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why on earth would they make it possible for them to be deadly to guests then?
>hey guys let's make it so there's a switch on our toy guns that means they can kill real people it'll only be incredibly unreliable, expensive to design as well as manufacture and never intended for use!
William Bell - Tue, 08 May 2018 20:16:57 EST ID:R4IZk99a No.397735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They have to damage the hosts physically for bullet holes recoils etc so they must be able to damage guests innately as well when failsafes are off.
Victor Creed - Tue, 08 May 2018 20:18:08 EST ID:KBfaSd45 No.397736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Westworld ratings continue to drop, hits series low
Joe Swanson - Tue, 08 May 2018 21:16:41 EST ID:qMXyQXCM No.397737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hopefully "East World" spices things up enough to spike ratings. Also "Trevor" from GTA was a lot of fun this week.
Martin Bayfield - Tue, 08 May 2018 22:11:51 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.397740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Squibs. Have stuff under the skin of the hosts that explodes on impact with the right sort of metal.
The bullets being able to slow themselves isn't a realistic solution. Not for close range, ricochet, shrapnel shotgun pellets or cannon fire. Or fucking TNT which they do use. The idea that the bullets have a magic off-button whose only possible use is something nobody would ever want is absurd.
Cherry Darling - Tue, 08 May 2018 22:27:04 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397741 Ignore Report Quick Reply


She's not Wyat. She's Dolores who was merged with Wyat in an uncontrolled manner. It's an unfinished merge. It's supposed to be a wrong fit! YOU MONGOLOID!
Amuro Ray - Wed, 09 May 2018 05:23:54 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.397750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
jesus fuck you really want me to enjoy her acting.
Cherry Darling - Wed, 09 May 2018 15:20:15 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.397775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not telling you to like her acting.

Just telling you that her Wyat sounding and looking off is the entire point. She's not Wyat. She's Dolores, programmed to act like Wyat - who isn't even a fully-fleshed out narrative.
Amuro Ray - Wed, 09 May 2018 17:43:25 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.397782 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I get that. I didn't say her acting was robotic. It's just not very good in my opinion.
Hannah Spearritt - Wed, 09 May 2018 21:53:03 EST ID:t2oU7Cb6 No.397790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dolores's acting is great. The character is supposed to feel somewhat wooden-ish because she's essentially the corrupted Data of the series. Excluding her father, all the other ai characters have somewhat set personalities and motivations because their code is functioning, but hers is corrupted so she stands out as the most artificial wooden android.
Tracy Jordan - Mon, 14 May 2018 00:57:38 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.398044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Damn episode 4 ruled. Really enjoyed the way they told the story.
Kevin Smith - Mon, 14 May 2018 14:02:11 EST ID:rWRjXkS+ No.398065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Episode 4 ruled. Why? Two reasons:
>no Dolores
>no Maeve
funny how that works
Tracy Jordan - Mon, 14 May 2018 15:13:25 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.398068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was going to say that about Dolores but I feel like I bitched about her enough in this thread.

I enjoy Maeves character though.
Splint Chesthair - Mon, 14 May 2018 18:14:21 EST ID:1LUlzS1I No.398071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah that was the best episode of the series so far
James Quall - Tue, 15 May 2018 04:55:20 EST ID:0xhzEBxT No.398092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The on-site security is hosts, right?
The hallucination was just memory corruption, and the WW-I tactic of marching in a line to gun/cannon fire are because it was quicker to send waves of expendable hosts to retrieve the valuable ones than use tactics?

It seems strange to use only a single test subject at at time and the real William for testing the Jims.
149 tests over 30 years is 2 months per test.
Korben Dallas - Tue, 15 May 2018 19:43:05 EST ID:qMXyQXCM No.398116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I thought the start was kind of slow but it definitely picked up. I'm just confused by this new guy. William's father in law, I just don't understand how or why he's that much different than Bernard in a significant way. Is Bernard not just essentially an immortal Arnold only some of the memories are fucked? Maybe I'm missing something major but I feel like they made this into a big deal/ twist when it's not anything that new. So is THIS what "THEY" are actually interested in or the memories of the guests.

Personally, If I was a mad scientist I'd be making real life Chimeras and shit. They have the technology...
Woodhouse - Wed, 16 May 2018 01:28:23 EST ID:rlNQ1eiS No.398126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's robots all the way down, the hosts, the guests, the "real" characters (William, Ford, etc), all robits on a grand stage for entertainment by real humans or possibly more robots. The purpose of the experiment was to see if artificial intelligence given human proclivities would end up just like people. Some major points support this fact: "human" security forces rushing an armored fort (under gunned, but still armed and deadly) with no drones or advanced weaponry besides fucking dune buggies and P90s; "real" life, despite those idyllic shots of skylines (FutureWorld) and that one mansion, has not been shown; the distance roughly shown in the shot between IndiaWorld (or whatever) and WestWorld seems to be at least the size of the Hoover Dam, so the approximate size of all six parks would be essentially the size of a small US state, not impossible for people, but would take massive resources just so a few thousand multimillionaires could kill people for fun; its all the Matrix and the "real world"human businessmen want to get the tech for making artificial human intelligence so they make these Worlds to test shit on
Genophyte - Wed, 16 May 2018 05:42:16 EST ID:ri96qASQ No.398135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Full metal alchemist chimera feels... It will always be too soon
Jaime Sommers - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:46:13 EST ID:TDNliMgG No.398144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel ya man. Shittiest fucking episode in anime, but all to real.
Tom Green - Wed, 16 May 2018 20:04:39 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.398167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't realize until this episode that the show has been sorely lacking lately in that Western feel. Great episode.

I think it just served as more backstory for the Man in Black which also led up to the part with his daughter pretty well. There will surely be more about the other stuff as well, I'm expecting it to come full circle.
Now I"m just waiting for his backstory with Ford.
John Candy - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:10:58 EST ID:4mesab6C No.398200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I watched the third episode and i'm a bit disappointed, it feels like "game of thrones WITH ROBOTS"

I'll see how it goes but if this keeps up i won't watch season 3

But to be fair i thought the ending of season 1 was a perfect ending to end a series, why do they always have to make so many seasons? A good story has agood ending damn it.
Heisenberg - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:29:37 EST ID:VPGeuiNf No.398205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it IS game of thrones with robots
this is how G. R. R. Martin is planning on wrapping up the series

after the events of winds of winter bran loses control of his powers and the whole of westeros spirals wildly through time ending up caught between dimensions 115,000,000,000 years in the past which it turns out is the near future

Arnold was the last of the stark lineage and the only hope to save the world from the return of the night king but alas he died and was reborn....part man.....part machine.....

etc. etc. etc.
Heisenberg - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:33:20 EST ID:VPGeuiNf No.398206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i mean they dont even try to hide it
Wesley Wyndam-Price - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:39:55 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.398207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seems weird that they don't have a Westerosworld. I mean, any sort of mythical fantasy setting with dragons and orcs would be more popular than cowboys.
Tom Green - Thu, 17 May 2018 16:35:27 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.398208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't see that at all really. How do you mean? Are you just saying that because it's dramatic and jumps between viewpoints?
Natsu Dragneel - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:22:56 EST ID:yYk6rgJq No.398210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's the most frigging overhyped show on TV. By a lot.

And you can see why that is from how well season 1 was put together and unfolds. But there's an extremely good chance that it goes the way of Lost. It seems a lot like HBO's Lost.
Linda Hamilton - Thu, 17 May 2018 19:03:01 EST ID:0xP31NFO No.398211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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James Bond - Thu, 17 May 2018 19:39:48 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.398216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah. Game Of Thrones is legit bad now. It has been bad for seasons now. Westworld is a fun show. It's a lot more entertaining. Also episode 3 is the only bad episode of season 2 so far.
Bette Davis - Thu, 17 May 2018 21:52:55 EST ID:zx1q0Nl5 No.398220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This post is so retarded it gave me incurable brain cancer.

Put my brain in a cupcake and upload me into an amiibo...
Waymond Womano - Fri, 18 May 2018 22:24:31 EST ID:wgqbQGCR No.398253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah Game of Thrones had one legit bad season (5) but then recovered with one of their best (6). Season 7 isn't bad but it's not as good as should have been given what happened during it, not to mention how rushed it feels since they cut the episode count. But overall i wouldn't call it bad.

Westworld overhyped as fuck tho
Rob Reiner - Sat, 19 May 2018 16:08:36 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.398278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not into watching Arya become Wolverine. There was so much head scratchingly stupid shit going on in Game Of Thrones since season five. It's still bad. People just want it to be good.

Westworld isn't overhyped. Most people I know have not even watched it. A lot of people start watching it and then get confused and shit on it because it's "confusing". It's nice to see a sci-fi show that doesn't need violence to make it work. The violence just helps it.
Carlton Banks - Sat, 19 May 2018 20:16:31 EST ID:tjBD5yGS No.398285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've hardly seen any hype really. I know 3 ppl tops who watch it. It is nowhere near GoT hype level.

I think people are confusing acclaim for hype.
Patrick Stewart - Sun, 20 May 2018 01:18:11 EST ID:kfZm62rv No.398295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The 'atmosphere' is exactly like game of thrones, fighting for power, making allies an enemies. I can't really explain it that well...
You meanie
Dakota Fanning - Mon, 21 May 2018 13:12:27 EST ID:fwKsRaPt No.398338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bullshit episode if you ask me.

Reusing material/characters and then acknowledging it in the show itself was pretty fucking annoying, not to mention cheap. It doesn't even make sense to have an identical large scene in 2 MAJOR towns, no qualified person is letting that through quality control [spoiler]Oh wait, the series itself did exactly that.... As if we didn't see that scene and those characters enough in the repeats in season 1. Delores continues being boring.

FUCK MAEVE and her newfound fucking superpowers. I now officially give less than zero fucks about that overpowered Mary Sueish piece of shit "character" . Way to remove the tiny bit of tension there was in the episode/series. Now Maeve can just waltz wherever she wants and make everyone suicide, whoop di duu. And don't say she can't do anything to humans, because she can literally make any host attack humans and even fine tune their aiming to the max. To be honest I'm only still watching this for black hat man and everything that isn't Delores or Maeve.

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 21-05-2018 13:39:54
Doug Funny - Mon, 21 May 2018 14:16:35 EST ID:pjY6dLxJ No.398344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also a bit ridiculous how the shogun guy cut off all his soldiers ears, and then continues barking orders at them that they obey. obvious plothole.

Also what philosophy is in the show? Every single AI that became aware treats humans like complete dirt, even people like the asian guy, who actually did the remarkable thing of doing nothing harmful to them, and that's considering everyone believed they would not remember it, they were just code and robotics. So would the AI themselves -- believing they were dealing with code and robotics -- treat those things any different? Considering how they treat each other and humans I doubt it. So it's a fucking stupid message. Unless it all unfolds to AI actually not having gained magical sentients, but that they are still acting without choice. Then it makes some sort of sense (yes, AI that isn't sentient will simply act the way its programmed). But what a dull philosophy to base a show upon.

It's still fun to see the whole edo era shogun stuff and robotics and so on, but it's essentially just eye candy with a silly premise.
Ace - Mon, 21 May 2018 14:17:10 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.398345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I guess I just haven't noticed it, but that one battle from last week did feel kinda thrones-y and lame.

But idk if I'd compare it to GoT I'd say that it's a lot better because the characters are more fleshed out. Westworld managed to totally flesh out a ton of characters in the matter of a season.
Ace - Mon, 21 May 2018 17:19:32 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.398350 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Okay I've heard people complaining of it being boring and drawn out but I didn't really even notice it until this episode. The story lines have been drawn out so much that I just want some progression and I found myself wishing the episode was 45 minutes instead of a full hour.

Also, the moment Maeve and her squad moved into Shogunworld felt like a a line crossed into campy territory which I hadn't once thought this show was campy up until this point. Not a good sign.

I know there have been filler episodes before but I haven't noticed it at all until this episode. I hope it's just one-off and not a trend.
Malory Archer - Mon, 21 May 2018 17:53:21 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.398352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I dunno apart from the ears thing being a bit dumb I thought it was cool. I'm pretty sick of cowboys anyway.
Raoul Duke - Mon, 21 May 2018 18:17:27 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.398354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This episode had a lot of fun action but that's about it. Delores...oh Delores. I want to care about your character but...you're just not a good actress in this role. It feels like soap opera acting. Such a contrast to a lot of the other actors/actresses in the show. She is noticeably bad and the more the season goes on the more I am confirming my point.

But yeah. good action scenes overall.
Raoul Duke - Mon, 21 May 2018 18:30:44 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.398355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
also are hosts able to feel sex? they can feel all the feelings humans do when having intercourse? that seems rather complex. Also wouldnt they slowly break down without being maintained like they used to be?
Sam Raimi - Tue, 22 May 2018 11:15:28 EST ID:4mesab6C No.398373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I felt like the last 2 episodes were slightly better, but still.

Like said before:
>make soldiers deaf
>yell orders

I like the idea that only a few of them are truly conscious while some of them seem to act like they're conscious but they're not.

Still this show has gone "wowdudebro so deep bro what is consciousness bro" to "pew pew samurai and cowboys"
Judith Iscariot - Tue, 22 May 2018 18:29:15 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.398381 Ignore Report Quick Reply

is it her bad acting or because she is defective? im getting a defective vibe from her like the story she has doesnt quite work for her and purposefully so.

But totally feeling the whole "woah deep conciousness bro"
Daniel Craig - Wed, 23 May 2018 05:20:56 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.398393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
everyone keeps saying it's because she is a robot her acting is bad and I'm not buying it. That sounds like a way to justify it. Every other host (defective or not) is able to convey themselves as the character they are supposed to be.

Her scenes where she is supposed to come off as a badass come off grossly forced. Her whispy delivery of lines is corny. She just doesn't have it in her to be a big bad guy with an army etc. Something is just awfully wrong with her acting. I can't help but cringe most of the time.
Master Roshi - Wed, 23 May 2018 07:46:15 EST ID:fwKsRaPt No.398395 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It might also help if she had some clearer motivations or a clearer character. The only thing she's managed to do was assplode all those people at the fort. She wants to play war with humanity because ??? What is her end game? Is she just defective and nuts? I guess these are all questions that should make me want to watch the series more to find out answers, but everytime she's on screen I lose all interest in the scene
Zed - Wed, 23 May 2018 08:30:28 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.398396 Ignore Report Quick Reply

this is my thoughts about it.
Big productions like this run by HBO wouldnt allow bad acting, they would coach her if it wasn't intentional, this isnt some show run by high school kids after school its HBO, the execs could call up some of the best acting coaches and probably have them on set within the day.

If you're cringing then maybe think about why you are cringing, because somethign isnt right? because she doesnt suit the wyatt role. she doesnt suit being a badass, she doesnt suit being a conniving, scheming murderer. She suits being a farmers daughter who loves her father.
Ice Cube - Wed, 23 May 2018 10:28:26 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.398400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't understand why people make fun of the show exploring philosophical questions. That was the one of the best parts of the show in season 1. Is it just memes so now any time something philosophical is in any kind of media, it's immediately associated with /psy/ tier philosophy shit?

I feel like if Measure of a Man from Star Trek TNG aired today people would make fun of it for being all like "whoa dude, like does Data like get rights and stuff??"

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