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Finally got around to watching Episode 8... by Nancy Botwin - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 00:10:19 EST ID:YnBWnq4a No.400088 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And holy shit was this a stinker. I'm trying not to be cynical here but this was just a shameless attempt at a big conglomerate making a movie that touches every single base so they can maximize profits. In the immortal words of George Lucas, Disney truly are "White Slavers".
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Charlie Sheen - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 00:21:51 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.400089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That would be TLJ right? I made it about an hour in before turning it off. It was really bad. Like, incomprehensibly bad. How can they put so much into this but refuse to hire competent people?
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Nancy Botwin - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 00:35:32 EST ID:YnBWnq4a No.400090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400089
It's not about hiring competent people, it's about hiring subordinate people and Rian Johnson is pretty much the definition of that. Brick was merely OK but everything else he' s been part of was just cleverly edited faff.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 02:05:05 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's like every big budget movie now. If you want to enjoy yourself you gotta either stop seeing these kinds of movies or parse through the elements that make a fun movie. I really enjoyed it for what it is: the best Star Wars movie in 30 years, which ain't exactly high praise all things considered.
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Andy Milonakis - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 03:00:24 EST ID:V1zTlH/n No.400094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400092

>really enjoyed it for what it is: the best Star Wars movie in 30 years,
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 03:27:00 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400094
what, are you suggesting the prequels are better? or fucking Force Awakens?
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Edward Morgan Blake - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 07:55:40 EST ID:V/xrGwta No.400099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400094
I can see someone loving Last Jedi if they had previously hated Star Wars and had been hoping for a movie to radically change the entire tone of the series in a artsier direction. Personally, I just wanted another fun blockbuster that would keep my eyes glued to the screen the whole time like ep 7 and Infinity War did. Both of those are technically dumb popcorn films, but it didn't matter because the directors made them fun. Last Jedi felt like the director was daring me to go home out of boredom.
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Linda Hamilton - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 10:43:55 EST ID:fEqoEF2h No.400101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did they fire the producer Kathleen whatever her name is? She produced TLJ and Solo and both sucked dick, with Solo being the first 'box office bomb' in Star Wars history. If she's on ep8 I'm going to be extremely wary.
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Sheriff Woody Pride - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:04:02 EST ID:J6wiy2IB No.400103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400089
I saw it in theaters with my sister. I would have walked out after an hour but my sister was enjoying it so I couldn't.

>>400099
My problem here is TLJ didn't change shit. There was a point where they set it up to be something completely different and stop being a stereotypical star wars film. Then they didn't because money.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 13:15:22 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400103
I mean, it changed more than TFA in that it wasn't a literal retreading of a previous movie. I get that it was reductive, I agree, but idk I feel like a lot of criticisms stem from rose tinted glasses and from racist/sexist nerds raging at casting decisions moreso than say the central plot, pacing, characterization, etc. which admittedly all had serious problems.

It's absolutely fine to not like this movie of course, but the predication that it stands out from the the fuckin prequels as uniquely bad is a real doozy that i will never understand
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Edward Morgan Blake - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 13:21:29 EST ID:V/xrGwta No.400106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400104
Well I didn't watch the prequels because I heard they sucked. From what I hear, they suck for totally different reasons than this film though.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 13:26:26 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400106
there's some overlap, but yeah they're a whole other beast. I suppose I was speaking in regards to people who have seen everything released so far and still put their foot down as this one being the worst
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 13:45:31 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400104
I don't really care about Star Wars but the last four panels of that make me want to kick whoever made it right inna fork.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 13:53:43 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400108
i mean i disagree about the Lucas panel because he's a hack but the Kylo stuff is spot on what with the boycotts, harassment campaigns, calls to literally remake the movie lol, etc. The worst part about media are the fans
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 14:35:31 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400109
No. It's portraying a corporation as though it's a person that can and should be empathised with, for being justifiably hurt on behalf of those actual people. It's not.
It doesn't give a fuck about them. It's not capable of it and shouldn't be treated as though it does.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 14:41:34 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400110
No. It's shorthand for saying the people involved in the project are ragging on fanboys. No shit a corporation as a whole doesn't care lol, way to miss the point
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 15:54:36 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400111
They're not though.
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Thick McRunfast - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:03:40 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Still better than Force Awakens at least.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:10:16 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400112
oh okay thanks for clearing that up, bud
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Ingmar Bergman - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:18:29 EST ID:eAvmHEjH No.400116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400088
The shit with Finn and the chinese girl was all fucking terrible. Every time she was on screen it was a shitty scene. Especially the crap with the orphans and releasing the space horses.
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:32:31 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400114
No, really. You're missing the point. It's a corporation. They have to make it as profitable as they possibly can; there's no room for putting in personal touches like that.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:42:01 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400117
lmao dude I get that star wars is a huge cash grab but pretending there is absolutely zero room for creative license is ridiculous.
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:54:34 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400118
I didn't say there was zero room for creative license, I'm saying there was no room for making the antagonist of the very first film of the rebooted series to be a thinly-veiled jab at the entire fandom, especially in retaliation for things that hadn't actually happened when they were writing it.
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Sheriff Woody Pride - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:55:44 EST ID:J6wiy2IB No.400121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400118 I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this right here. Remember how during the whole fucking movie Kylo and Rey connect and learn that the darkside isn't completely evil and the lightside isn't completely innocent and that there seems to be a gray area where everyone exists in this universe. Remember when Kylo offered for all of it to just end and not go down the same god damn road we've been down a thousand times and the entire movie led up to it and felt like real change was gonna happen and the writers were gonna do something creative?

Cause right after that I swear to god mickey mouse came out of the screen and said "Fuck that, where are we gonna fit in lightsaber battles." Then he started rubbing his body with money. at least that's how I remember it.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:58:41 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400120
ah yes, the prequels and fan reactions to them never happened and can't be inspiration for future work. For someone who claims not to care about star wars you sure picked a weird hill to die on
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:59:50 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400123 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400121
that Mickey Mouse cameo slapped
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:01:56 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400122
You realise those weren't Disney films and three of the actors depicted as the inspiration for Kylo being a dick debuted either in the same film as him or one of the ones that came after, right?
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:10:36 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400124
holy shit literally none of that matters because the whole basis of the comic is star wars fans being historically awful and the writers reacting to that. You're being so pedantic and literal to what amounts to a comic rightfully making fun of fans. Gotta agree to disagree on this one i guess

lol you definitely don't care about star wars huh
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:12:09 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400125
You're reading way too deeply into a soulless commercial product for children.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:14:01 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400126
I didn't make the comic bro
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Sheriff Woody Pride - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:15:43 EST ID:J6wiy2IB No.400128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400126
Thanks for pointing this out. I think it's important to remember. That's why I've stopped watching once I got done with TLJ I decided I'm done with watching star wars FA was a complete copy but had some setup I was interested in. After TLJ I decided the series had nothing more for me.
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:18:20 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400127
You've been championing it so clearly you believe the same thing.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:37:30 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400129
responding to you and broadly agreeing with it is hardly championing. For someone saying I'm looking too much into the movies (for kids) maybe you're putting too much stock into admittedly well deserved cynicism in the industry.

I realize the whole 'it's for kids' thing is supposed to be a jab at me but you might as well go on and be like cartoons are for kids, video games are for kids, adult content in kid's media is for kids, etc
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Cobra Commander - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 18:05:34 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.400131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400130
They're for kids because they lack the sort of complexity you're claiming is in them. The sort of thing children's minds struggle to comprehend.
>too much stock into admittedly well deserved cynicism
That doesn't make any sense.
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Jean-Luc Godard - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 18:37:24 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400131
I'm saying the cynicism is well deserved but doubling down and letting it color every facet of your viewing experience is a bit much. As another poster pointed out >>400121 there was some complexity that ended up nose diving and going nowhere. Yes, big budget movies like this are corporate cash grabs. Yes, executives water down and interfere with interesting ideas, but that doesn't make this kind of movie wholly incapable of specks of complexity or self-reflection either. I don't think portraying Kylo as an angry, larping Vader fanboy prone to tantrums was an accident. Someone had fun in the writing room.

Maybe I'm stretching but at least I'm not getting Mad at a comic online.
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Thick McRunfast - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 18:54:27 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400104
What's extra funny/sad/poignant about this comic is that it doesn't even mention the cataclysmic backlash to the "LET THE PAST DIE" line.
So many fans genuinely unironically empathsized with Kylo that they forgot he was the fucking villain. Not a damn self-insert. To the point that saying *gasp* a BAD thing that they didn't agree with made them all lose their shitting minds & screech Bloody Mary. The kinds of vitriolic reactions you get when a group's been betrayed by their hero.
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Hiro Nakamura - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 18:54:30 EST ID:T8MjAphU No.400134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've only seen it and TFA once, in the theater, and enjoyed them well enough while there. The prequels killed my interest in the mythology, and I look at the originals as their own thing. I get the criticisms of the new ones, don't care enough to delve into any underlying messages, and will be done with Star Wars after episode IX.
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Charlton Heston - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 19:21:56 EST ID:Hr+YncEk No.400135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400101
Not yet but there are rumors she will get canned. If they did it So shortly after tlj it would be like admitting that it's shit and imagine how that would make the tlj loyalists feel if they cleaned house now. They will let the fans battle it out for longer then she will resign saying she needs more time with her family.
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Aslan - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 20:58:17 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.400140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400104
Of course the dumb ones scream the loudest. Most people that saw it and didn't care for it didn't spend hours on the internet criticizing it, so you have to consider that. Also you have to consider that it's not newsworthy when someone didn't like a movie. But it is newsworthy when someone on twitter doesn't like a character in some misogynist way. So that skews the lens you see criticism through as well.

But it really was worse than the prequels. They seriously jumped the shark with the space Leia scene, and that wasn't the only one. The prequels just had a lot of boring bullshit and some campy bullshit but nothing as horrendously terrible as some of TLJ's plot points. And that's not even mentioning the pacing and other structural problems of the movie.
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Louis Bunuel - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:57:02 EST ID:/rlPO9pD No.400147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400108
>>400109
>>400110
>>400111
>>400112
>>400114
>>400117
>>400118
>>400120
>>400122
>>400124
>>400125
>>400126
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>>400130
>>400131
>>400132
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Nancy Botwin - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 03:24:00 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400140
>They seriously jumped the shark with the space Leia scene
...Literally how?
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Marco Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar Gabriel Garcia Marquez - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 03:29:58 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400149
I lol'd in the theater because it was corny as hell but she's a force user so idk, i guess it makes sense she'd further develop her abilities between RotJ and TLJ
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Charlie Brown - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 07:43:32 EST ID:V/xrGwta No.400154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400151
It was stupid because it capitalized on her real life death to try toying qwith viewers emotions. The scene was clearly only added after she died for reals to make movie goers think they were seeing her big death scene.
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Crud Bonemeal - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 08:46:57 EST ID:JqkC8s2k No.400156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>reeeeeeee everything after esb is wrong
Just STOP WATCHING STAR WARS
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Laurie Juspeczyk - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 09:11:15 EST ID:UIsh77DD No.400157 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The prequels are vastly superior to didney wars.
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Frank Gallagher - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:23:31 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.400160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400156

But im one of the few people who have watched the original series and therefore my opinion is more valid than others. Im sorry, but the last jedi was just adequate.
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Marco Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar Gabriel Garcia Marquez - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 16:01:29 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400154
that's not true at all! I mean it certainly felt that way, but she finished all of her scenes for TLJ before she died.
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Cindy McPhearson - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 16:18:21 EST ID:V1zTlH/n No.400174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400157
Agreed.

Prequels only did 1 thing wrong that Disney did right and thats bad editing due to not being funded by a mone hungry billion-trillion dollar mega corporation.

Lucas would do things like have actors voice over already recorded scens and it looks bad, like Anakin and Mace on realizing Sidious as Palpatine. Or the lazy deaths when Sidious is confronted and kills those multiple jedi in a quick swing.

But Disney, aside from production value, just pooped out the most generic run-of-the-mill Hollywood tier cinema there is. Slapped a StarWars Skin on it, had practically no alien species featured besides maybe 3 or 5 tops, and then shit all over any past theories made canon on how things work. TLJ is just a personification of the fans criticisms i.e. Luke needing out at Rey like “BUT THATS NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!!!” Or “kylo is no Vader.” Little things like that were good, but so much plotholes and other shit done wrong that its truly not an adequate or good movie by any standards, let alone a StarWars movie.
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Steve Buscemi - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 06:28:22 EST ID:LblVs4/c No.400188 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At some point you idiots are going to have to admit that you just dont fucking like Star Wars, period and are not fans.
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Rip Steakface - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:17:15 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.400193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400188

whatever, i had a han solo toy when i was a kid. im a true fan unlike you!
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Diana - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:30:50 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.400202 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400188
People who claim that others are not true fans are the biggest faggots on the internet.

What you're saying is essentially saying that all 3 generations are exactly the same so basically you're straight up lying in an effort to shill for Disney.
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Gary Oldman - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:46:14 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400202
listen bud if you didn't regularly penetrate yourself with a lightsaber toy as a child then you aint a true fan.
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Master Blaster - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:49:23 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400174
>and then shit all over any past theories made canon on how things work.
Oh Boo FuHUKin hoo.
>>400202
>all 3 generations
Sounds like you're referring to fans of specific movie trilogies, not of comprehensive Star Wars concept.
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Diana - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:23:35 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.400216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400210
I don't even get what you're trying to say. You can like the concept of star wars but not like tlj. You're a retard.
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Phil Dunphy - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:34:50 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400216
And you're rude.
>You can like the concept of star wars but not like tlj.
By all means, elaborate: what is the concept of Star Wars that TLJ betrays? Everyone's gotten stuck in such a rut that they've forgotten the fundamental creative spirit of the thing.
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Lana Wachowski - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 01:14:53 EST ID:Mck8gOzX No.400249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400227
>Everyone's gotten stuck in such a rut that they've forgotten the fundamental creative spirit of the thing.

Especially Disney.
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Jet Li - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 02:25:20 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.400252 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400227
I never even said that it betrays the spirit though it does feel a bit different. There were scenes that felt very surrealistic like it went full out fantasy or something. But I don't think it betrayed the spirit of Star Wars. I think that would be kinda hard to do because Star Wars is a very generalized brand. You can put anything on it. It's just very small as well. So it's kinda hard to elaborate on things without bulldozing other things. Idk, I just don't think it was well executed at all and they need to change some things before part 9. I liked TFA and Rogue One. Rogue One possibly being in my top 3 SW movies, even though people give it a lot of hate for being really generic.
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Blix - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 20:22:17 EST ID:REKgcQCi No.400267 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400156
OG’s are great, Prequels fresh,Sequels trash.
Solo / standalone films and RogueOne are dumpster fires
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Henry Hill - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:27:01 EST ID:J0kojBiA No.400319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>muh prequels
Look guys, I don't care how much you hate TLJ or Disney or Kathleen Kennedy, that does not make hot garbage like Episode II good in retrospect
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Gob Bluth - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:52:00 EST ID:H8wdw5bt No.400320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OG Trilogy >>>>> TFA >> R1 >>>>>>>>> TLJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> prequels

There is no debate. Prequels were trash, even more so than TLJ which was also trash.
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Buzz Lightyear - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 13:42:40 EST ID:UiGPjD86 No.400323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400319
>>400320

Pretty sure it's mostly people under 30 being nostalgic. I'm not wild about the Disney films, but they learned from the prequels mistakes for the most part and are more entertaining (if not any smarter or memorable) than any of the prequel films.
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Patrick Stewart - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 13:48:21 EST ID:6W6RDMQy No.400324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400320
You nailed it with that.
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Trunk Slamchest - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:25:10 EST ID:xVEQ6O+U No.400327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400323
At least the prequels told a cohesive, thought out story, albiet not very well. Last Jedi shows there was clearly no overarching plan in place for this new trilogy. Plus now Space Princess died and theyll have to entirely rework episode 9. The new trilogy is just a hot mess so far. For what it's worth i think it's hilarious that JJ set up all these mystery boxes that fans obsessed over for years only for Johnson to be like naw fuck those who cares lol

OT>R1>PT>TFA>TLJ>>>>>>some dog shit >>>>>> Solo
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Princess Aura - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:32:01 EST ID:fEqoEF2h No.400328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400327
how dare you put the prequels ahead of the force awakens. Force Awakens was really good (and yes I know the comparisons to ep4).

Look, the answer is JJ Abrams. Dude made a killer star wars movie (and star trek also imo) and then he hands it off because Disney has to be diverse and let a broad feel strong and (big shock) they fucked it all up. Reminds me of a tv show he did once.

Abrams is doing 9 if I'm not mistaken, so I'd bet it's going to be good (I know I know he will just rip off ROTJ).
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Victor Creed - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:16:57 EST ID:rOEBZgkU No.400332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400328
>>400327
>>400320
>>400319
Can any of you actually even articulate what is bad in terms of cinema about the prequels? Ep2 had Kamino, Bobas becoming and lore, essentially. We had Yoda given more character, and Kenobi. Anakin begins shifting to the dark side, there were cool battle scenarios, and a lightsaber duel.

All of that, and a vastly more StarWars tier experience than TLJ, and TFA is essentially confirmed Forgettable because not only is it a rehash tribute to an older film but then TLJ nixed any potential any of the characters had in TFA. Not to mention that Both were extremely lowrate and run of the mill Hollywood cinema in terms of character and comic relief.


So tell me, oldfags, what in your elder wisdom can you tell me that you think IS BAD and not just that you personally Disliked of the prequels? Hmmmm?
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Punt Speedchunk - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:21:46 EST ID:V/xrGwta No.400333 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400332
They felt so rushed that it felt like watching a clip show of a longer, cooler movie trilogy.
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Master Roshi - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:52:06 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.400335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400332
There were some pretty cheap and lazy aspects. Like the 1,000,000 times that they would just sit in a room and talk, then walk to the window for dramatic effect. I bet there's a youtube video that counts all the times somebody walked toward the window and gave exposition. It's just kinda lazy. I feel like they spent like half of the total time of the prequel movies in a room above the city. There are other structural issues but like I said, I don't hate the prequels. I enjoyed them. I first saw episode 1 with my uncle when I was like 10 and he was a huge star wars fan and that's a cherished memory for sure.
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Master Roshi - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:58:11 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.400336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400335
Wait, I never did say I didn't hate the prequels before I said "but like I said" lol I'm so burnt out. Yet still I never proofread...
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Victor Creed - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:39:59 EST ID:rOEBZgkU No.400339 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400335
For sure. I dont even mean to argue as much as actually discuss faults and successes. I said earlier in the thread a fault I didnt like is Lucas would have actors do vocalizations of sudden script changes and then instead of re-acting the scenes he would just paste these voiceovers into the scene, a obvious one is Anakin/Mace interaction in explaining Palpatine is Sidious. There are other instances of bad edits like that, and there is rushed laziness throughout but those arent things I noticed until they are pointed out. I could actually feel the distaste of TLJ, RogueOne, Solo, and while TFA gets a pass in that it didnt leave me with a sour taste it still had a different and worse level of lowrate comic relief and unoriginality.

People can shit on Ep 1 but it had a cool underwater Atlantis tier alien civilization and that was p cool tbh. Ep 2 had cool planets cities and other settings, and Ep3 I loved all the way through. Its fucking Opening scene was literally a war in the stars.
Little things like Anakin wielding a darkside saber and lightside at the same time as he first betrays Jedi oath to follow Palpatines orders of killing Dooku.. many things that dont get recognition in those films.

What settings did we get in the sequels? Fuckin Desert, Forest Island, Beach... barely any aliens or new creatures worth a shit, I mean, fuck. I know people are just trolling but the sequels are just the worst, and the Prequels are not as bad.
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Patrick Stewart - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:58:01 EST ID:6W6RDMQy No.400340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400332
>had Kamino
Which you barely see and it's honestly very generic water world visuals, with no world building at all.
>Bobas becoming
Who cares? Boba Fett has never been worthy of the attention he has gotten, even in TESB or RotJ.
>lore
Like what? What the clones from a single line in A New Hope were talking about?
>We had Yoda given more character
Fucking terrible character. Yoda was perfect in TESB and RotJ, and did not need any further development at all.
>and Kenobi
Obi Wan was a dry crusty asshole that does nothing but complain in the prequels.
>Anakin begins shifting to the dark side
Again, who cares? "Anakin" is such a terrible, obnoxious character that any substance that they tried to impart fell flat.
>cool battle scenarios
Horrible, childish CG battles.
>a lightsaber duel
I don't see how this is supposed to be a plus either. Action has to be interesting in some way. It was like watching a circus act and had no weight or impact on the story because Qui-Gon Jinn had no character either. Just another paper cutout spit out dull lines of shitty dialog. In fact every lightsaber battle in the prequels felt like filler bullshit just because they needed an action scene and had no better ideas.

The image you posted is pretty accurate to how people come across when they try to talk about the prequels being good. Are you that German guy again?
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Dizzy Flores - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:54:26 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I like this one.
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Dean Winchester - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:59:42 EST ID:XJ6p0u59 No.400344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400342
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Bernard Hill - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:01:10 EST ID:rOEBZgkU No.400350 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400340
You seem like a real fun person to talk to.
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Kira Nerys - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:29:36 EST ID:SentDS11 No.400374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400332
Simply listing plot points doesn't make a movie good. Every movie has a list of Things That Happen. I could start listing the Things That Happen in the Catwoman movie; that doesn't automatically make it any good. The question is whether those things were done well, or meaningfully, or coherently. And the prequels did none of that.
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Xander Crews - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:24:56 EST ID:vx99qAYk No.400377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400335
>I bet there's a youtube video that counts all the times somebody walked toward the window and gave exposition.

Here's the relevant Mr. Plinkett section on that:
https://youtu.be/bYWAHuFbLoc?t=1h16m51s
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Sheriff Woody Pride - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:55:13 EST ID:WwZeEO/r No.400380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400319
The point isn't muh prequels
The point is that a certain type of gatekeeper spent a decade screeching that GL ruined his own franchise and were drooling when someone else was going to make SW instead. But now you don't like those movies either, because you will never like anything outside the OT.
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Charlton Heston - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:19:52 EST ID:2jfI225W No.400385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400380
Are you speaking about him directly or Star Wars fans in general? Cause I like TFA and R1 quite a bit.
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Dr. Zackary Smith - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:59:14 EST ID:fEqoEF2h No.400418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400385
same. TLJ and the Prequels just suck to me. The prequels were just corny and the cgi characters sucked. TLJ didn't feel like an epic, it was like a filler movie. Snoke dies with 1 hit after all that? IDK, I just didn't like it.

TFA was all about Luke and getting to him and ended dramatic with her giving him his weapon, and the first few minutes of TLJ is him telling her to put an egg in her shoe and beat it while he throws the lightsaber off a mountain. In other words they said 'fuck the previous movie'.
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The Joker - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:53:19 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400418
Which they should have. It was pure insipid nostalgiawank. Star Wars was always about moving forward with new ideas.
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Tim Curry - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:35:14 EST ID:wGj4U8PO No.400445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400442
That's horseshit. Star Wars has always been about adventure and good versus evil. The Force Awakens captured that perfectly, and so did Rogue 1 to a slightly lesser degree.

The prequels tried, but failed miserably because the stories, characters, settings, visuals and basically everything were terrible. They looked, felt and played out like shitty Korean SW knockoffs or something.

TLJ mostly failed because there was too much awful shit shoehorned in between the worthwhile parts. Even setting aside them shitting all over the Luke Skywalker character for no worthwhile reason, the rest of the story is uneven and feels cobble together from wacky G rated material and PG-13 adventure stuff. One minute you would be watching a scene that had a dark tone and emotional weight and the next you were watching some kids show antics bullshit. TLJ has more in common with the prequels as far as broken uneven tone and pacing than it does with the OT, TFA or R1.
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Isaac Dian - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:18:42 EST ID:H8wdw5bt No.400454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400442
yeah let's take the very popular and well liked star wars movie and do the opposite and not be surprised when everyone shits all over it!
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Alex Cox - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:27:00 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400454
except plenty of people really like it
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The Joker - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 15:01:52 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400445
>Star Wars has always been about adventure and good versus evil.
Which is mutually exclusive from moving forward with new ideas... how?
And considering how flawed the heroes and sympathetic the villains often are it's not that great an example of "Good vs Evil". Ben Kenobi was the mouthpiece for that objectivist myth-cycle bollocks in the OG trilogy and gets immediately bitchslapped. It's only by ignoring his counsel & embracing shades-of-grey that Luke saves the day in the end. If nothing else the Prequels were about showing how badly the old Jedi Order's "good vs evil" mindset fucked everything up.
>shitting all over the Luke Skywalker character
What shitting? Luke was always a meh Jedi. And a bit of a manchild on the side. His portrayal in Last Jedi is totally consistent with the character; especially after 40 years & another damn war.
>>400454
Nice to see we've already fallen back to the "popular = good" fallacy. Short-term pandering is bad for long-term creativity. When the franchise is heading for a cliff too fucking right you do the opposite.
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Ferris Bueller - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 15:58:03 EST ID:UOkU+yOU No.400466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400463
>Which is mutually exclusive from moving forward with new ideas... how?
I never said they were mutually exclusive, don't put words in my mouth. You know full well what I meant when I said they were about adventure and good versus evil.
>And considering how flawed the heroes and sympathetic the villains often are it's not that great an example of "Good vs Evil".
Yes it is, if anything that makes it better. Overly simplified "bad guy-good guy" dichotomies make for shitty storytelling.
>Prequels were about showing how badly the old Jedi Order's "good vs evil" mindset fucked everything up.
What the prequels were about is largely irrelevant since they are so fucking terrible in every way. I would say the prequels are more about temptation, fear and anger, subversion, power lust etc. but you said they were about something else, so I guess they can't be about those things too. Right?
>What shitting? Luke was always a meh Jedi.
Luke was a very loyal and well meaning person in each of the OT movies. Almost to a flaw even. But of course not in TLJ. His pupil was being tempted by the dark side and he feared he was lost, so his solution was to murder his nephew in his sleep. Fuck redemption, guidance and all that malarky, just kill that fucker in his sleep and move on.
>His portrayal in Last Jedi is totally consistent with the character
Except it's not, and you would have to be an idiot to think that. Even Mark Hamil himself has talked about how TLJ's version of Luke isn't the Luke we all knew and loved. Now go ahead and tell me he's an asshole too and doesn't know what he's talking about, doesn't understand Star Wars, isn't a real fan blah blah blah...
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Gunter - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 16:27:06 EST ID:ug8ZjU22 No.400467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>400442
Yeah, a movie that ripped everything from its opening crawl to it's final scene from Flash Gordon, Kirosawa, Casablanca, Metropolis, and World War II footage was always about moving forward with new ideas.

Get outta here with that shit.
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The Joker - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:02:00 EST ID:E1IYAD/C No.400483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400466
I love Luke man. Luke is my favorite character. But he was my favorite character because he fuckin' sucks. He never stops being a knee-jerk reaction havin' stupid son-of-a-bitch. He consistently does the "right" thing in the wrong way which always results in him or his friends getting rocked.

He's impulsive. He's whiny. He's quick to bandwagon and he think's he's always right. Even when a fucking ancient space wizard tells him he's a stupid country bumpkin who knows nothing.

But that is what made Luke great. He show's you that no matter how many times you try to do the right thing and fuck it all up beyond comprehension you can still come back around and make a positive impact if you never give up hope.

People deify Luke for the wrong reasons and I think everyone misses what made him great. He's extremely flawed. But he always tries despite being so flawed. And in the end, when he is on the edge of the abyss about to jump ship to the Dark Side, he stops and just realizes he has always been a child and stops being so impulsive and for the first time makes a real, positive impact on the universe.

I love Luke. But please stop pretending he wasn't a childish, flawed and brash. That is what makes him great.
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Michael Garibaldi - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:24:30 EST ID:83gFwsz8 No.400491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400483
Sorry in advance for the wall of text, I'm on stims.

You're not totally wrong, but the problem isn't that TLJ gets his personality wrong, it's that it contradicts the character arc of Luke from the OT. Brash, flawed, whatever - when he realizes Vader can be redeemed (albeit through self-sacrifice) the story comes to the conclusion that people can be saved from the dark side, no matter what they've done in the past. But in TLJ Luke has seemingly forgotten that lesson and comes to the conclusion that he's gotta kill this young boy because of what he might do in the future. It's a moment that's central to the entire story of TLJ and it directly conflicts with what the rest of the Star Wars story has told you about Luke and about evil-doing. I know they frame it as a moment of weakness, but why would he have that moment of weakness, after learning that lesson about redemption as a young man and continuing as a practicing jedi for however many years? People nitpick all the time because they want to thrash everything that isn't the OT, but this isn't that. It's a pretty blatant misunderstanding of Star Wars not rooted in some reactionary crap, but in the nuts and bolts of the writing.

This is TLJ's failure. Not studio meddling, not Kathleen Kennedy, not SJWs invading muh space fantasy, but Rian Johnson's writing specifically. Disney took a risk giving total control to this guy, and as someone who wanks it to Ozymandias (the Breaking Bad episode he directed) I was excited. I hope his failure doesn't stop them from taking risks and letting people make the movie they wanna make in the future.

This is also why I don't find it as abominable as a lot of other folks on the internet do. Unlike the prequels, we got a movie that was well-directed, well-acted by everyone involved, and had at least one compelling character in Kylo Ren. But in an unfortunate turn, like the prequels, no one was there to tell the showrunner "no, that's stupid" and thus we get this writing that constantly undercuts itself, misunderstands main characters, and splits up the trio from TFA instead of having them interact and go on adventures together. That last one especially was a bold move, but not a smart one. The writing is central to any movie, so this is why it fails, but that being its only problem means its far from the dumpster fire people make it out to be.

tl:dr Rian Johnson doesn't understand this story very well and made a movie that isn't offensively bad, but is very out of place in this universe. this is bad not because I am a greasy nostalgic nerd, but because he should have done better as a filmmaker, and demonstrated a better understanding of these characters and what makes their stories tick.
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Lyanna Stark - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 14:58:01 EST ID:v/dSE0Dy No.400504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400483
You seem to have conveniently skipped that part where I said the heroes being flawed makes it better.
>He's quick to bandwagon and he think's he's always right. Even when a fucking ancient space wizard tells him he's a stupid country bumpkin who knows nothing.
You're getting so much so wrong. He didn't think he was right, he understood what Yoda and Obi-Wan were telling him and he believed them. He went anyway because he was compelled to save his friends, even if it meant his own loss to Vader and the Emperor. A strong sense of loyalty is what drove him, not thinking he knew better.
>when he is on the edge of the abyss about to jump ship to the Dark Side
That never even happened. Just getting angry during a fight and losing your cool for a moment doesn't mean you're going over to the dark side. Bro, do you even Star Wars?
>But please stop pretending he wasn't a childish, flawed and brash.
Again, I never said that, I said the opposite.
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Tom Hanks - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 17:45:16 EST ID:Q4N1N8xq No.400510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I also recently watched this movie because I was bored and wanted to see if it was as bad as the INTERNET said it was.
My reaction after the movie ended: "seriously? that was it? THIS is the movie that created such a fuss?"

fucking goddamnit, internet. when are you going to realize that STAR WARS has always been dumb?
obviously, the franchise has had an immeasurable impact on movies, fiction, even culture... but that doesn't change the fact that the movies have always been goofy, inconsistent and dumb dumb dumb.

I don't even blame the disgustingly nerdy superfans for liking Star Wars; I like plenty of dumb shit. but stop pretending the originals were flawless cinematic fiction with deep storytelling and realistically motivated and layered characters. fuck right off with that. ROTJ is such a goofy sci-fi movie that I'm surprised it took Disney this long to buy SW.

my only real problem with TLJ was with the entire casino subplot. That whole fucking thing felt like filler. Finn is basically a wasted character at this point.
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Gob Bluth - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:00:49 EST ID:fEqoEF2h No.400512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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TFA made Snoke out to be some big bad sith lord. Who was he, how strong was he, how big was he? Everyone was asking these questions.

TLJ Snoke dies in like 2 seconds at the hands of his apprentice.

It's fucking weak and it's only one of several weak/stupid moments that pisses all over TFA.
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Toshiko Sato - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 19:09:00 EST ID:uczzpLOD No.400513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400467

This. Lucas cobbled together scenes and plot points he liked from other sources and stepped in shit when his special effects team knocked it out of the park. Part of the subconcious appeal of the original movie was familiarity. It was the Avatar of its time.

Empire overachieved and the bulk of what resonates emotionally from the series to this day comes from it. The prequels proved that Lucas is a hack storyteller and suggested that there isn't much room for painting outside the lines with Star Wars. The Disney films have reinforced that there isn't, as when they've tried fans responded with gripes and harrassment.

Debating creativity, characterization, and quality is moot. It was never meant to get this big or go on this long. It was recycled material from the get go. Calling it trash now is redundant.
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Morgan Le Fey - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 20:05:14 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.400516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400513

Its not so much recycled material, all of lucases works in the beginning were homage's to his childhood and his past, except for THX which is an illuminati exposè/ "im a typical californian college student in the mid-late 60's hear me roar" but American Graffiti was a homage to 1950s movies and culture. Indiana jones was a homage to television adventure serials and star wars was a homage to science fiction serials.

But yeah, i agree it was never meant to get big in the first place, he was a hipster indie filmmaker before star wars and he actually thinks that we all dont know the homages star wars makes and thinks hes original and somehow a genius because he watched telvision as a child and studied film at college.

Star wars is basically 90's hip hop, they took the best bits of the music they grew up listening too and re-used it for their own creations.

https://vimeo.com/139094998
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Russel T. Davies - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:27:05 EST ID:WwZeEO/r No.400525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400510
>seriously? that was it? THIS is the movie that created such a fuss?"
They will never like anything that isn't the OT that's the point
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Buster Keaton - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:54:03 EST ID:U0wzmyGj No.400527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400525
Except for all the people that liked The Force Awakens and Rogue One. But they don't count right? 'Cause that would ruin your fanboy cliche? Not sure why so many people in this thread can't accept that almost no one likes the prequels, and that a lot of people didn't like The Last Jedi, without dismissing them as fanboys that only care about the original trilogy.
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Raquel Welch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 03:51:19 EST ID:tCU8CUK5 No.400537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400516

Star Wars = Western + WW2 + Space

That's it.
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Morgan Le Fey - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 05:54:19 EST ID:Mn19BObK No.400541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400537

in the video he also mentions samurai movies/akira kurosawa.
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King Arthur - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 06:25:42 EST ID:IGClfu5B No.400542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400527
The Force Awakens and Rogue One were comprehensive OT fanwank. You're not disproving anything.
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Clémence Poésy - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 07:51:02 EST ID:TOJLeCbK No.400546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400527
Tfa is an identical remake of anh so it doesn't count for shit
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Steven Seagal - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 07:53:50 EST ID:2nmfnLp3 No.400547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400546
A New Hope is an identical remake of The Hidden Fortress so it doesn't count for shit
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Hal 9000 - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:42:09 EST ID:eAvmHEjH No.400548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400542
>>400546
>Have you seen my goal posts? I suddenly have a need to move them.
So apparently it's just the prequels and TLJ that count.
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Sam Winchester - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:00:38 EST ID:pUxHJaFl No.400549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400548
>I don't hate everything outside the OT, I also like a copy of an ot movie
You're being dense on purpose
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Francine Smith - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 10:21:09 EST ID:fNsUwl+l No.400550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400549
You and the other parrots like you are the ones intentionally being dense. First, TFA isn't a carbon copy, an identical remake or any of that other hyperbolic groupthink bullshit stupid people like you spout. It has similar plot points and that's it. Second, outside of this movie series, when has that ever been a big deal? Fucking never.
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Puar - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:50:29 EST ID:qOZUo6mr No.400553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400550
>outside of this movie series, when has that ever been a big deal? Fucking never.

It's never a big deal your'e right, but it's a valid criticism when the result is uninspired (Ghostbusters 2 comes to mind). Other times it works, though, because the stakes are effectively raised or an element is inverted (Fury Road, Terminator 2). I think The Force Awakens falls into the latter category. The degree to which people hold similarities against TFA is ridiculous, especially considering what preceded it. The prequels were a collective Highlander 2, and since they couldn't be erased, Abrams doubled down on reminding people of why they liked this shit in the first place.
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Wilson - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 15:40:46 EST ID:uhAZ0X7z No.400554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
After the Rogue One shitshow I decided to say fuck Starwars and fuck Disney, fuck hollywoord in general.
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Bloodyface - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:05:46 EST ID:sh+F9mZ/ No.400592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400554
i want micky mouse to fuck my big wet pussy
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Kelly LeBrock - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 10:08:40 EST ID:nbEpWeTU No.400630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>400592
Bloodyface's pussy is so big...


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