>>96685
they become wealthy given time. once upon a time it was the finns, then it was the italians and greeks, now it is brown and black people. should we deport criminal swedes too?

>>96690

>should we deport criminal swedes too?

Stop putting words in my mouth. It's becoming annyoing

>>96692
He's not putting words in your mouth. He's asking you a question. Should criminal activity result in deportation for natives?

>>96694
Yes he is because I never even implied that people should be deported.

To answer your question: Obviously not. And if you are talking about second generation immigrants, those usually do not have Swedish citizenship from birth on if their parents aren't citizens. If they have their citizenship from birth on they also can't be deported.

What I call for is limiting immigration. That includes asylum seekers. You don't help anyone by letting immigrants flooding your countries. It might sound nice and make you sleep good at night, but it doesn't help a bit. Sweden should also increase their punishments and yes, that includes deportation. And yes, also for Asylum seekers.
That the current lax and self blaming politics don't work are visible through the current events.

Pro tip: Those "youths" aren't rioting to fight an abstract oppression or inequality but because they love to destroy stuff and fuck around with the state.
Because the state doesn't understand the basic law of the street: If someone tries to fuck with you, respond with all force. Else you will be nothing but a weakling.

>>96695

>Pro tip: Those "youths" aren't rioting to fight an abstract oppression or inequality but because they love to destroy stuff and fuck around with the state.

Because the state doesn't understand the basic law of the street: If someone tries to fuck with you, respond with all force. Else you will be nothing but a weakling.

>BLALBLABLABLA IF SOMEONE POINTS A MIDDLEFINGER AT YOU, YOU FUCKING ABOLISH DEMOCRACY, ANNOUNCE A STATE OF EMERGENCY AND DROP THE MILITARY ON THEIR ASS

>OORAH! FREEDOM! LIBERTY! OORAH!

Fuck you're retarded and deluded.

>>96679
what if he has nothing to donate but his labor and the sweat of his brow?

>>96669
Join the Peace Corpse dude.

>>96679
So only poor people should work in refugee camps? Nice classism. Poorer people need better paying, more secure work. Don't tell them to get jobs with limited funding.

>>96679
I agree with this post. OP, how could you be so selfish as to consider donating your time to help the destitute people of a war-torn nation? Do you have any idea how greedy you are, thinking you can just go out and help those desperately in need of your and others' aid?

>>96679
I've thought of that, but I honestly don't have much money to spend. I've written my congressmen and women as well as donated what I can. Especially the water situation in Jordan is pretty dire so I wouldn't wanna be a burden, but it's also because I want to continue doing this for the rest of my life, and getting some experience in the field now doesn't seem like a bad idea. Additionally, I'm attempting to learn Arabic via Rosetta Stone, but I'm not sure how well that'll work out, but I'm trying.

>>96658

>So I guess another question I have is when is it okay to kill the soldier of a nation that is at war? The US can kill the enemy while they're sleeping, they can kill them while they're standing next to their families, why can't they do the same out in the open on a street in their enemies own nation the same way the US does to them?

Actually, I read an article (which I sadly can't find again,) that asked this question in regards to a drone war.

Drone pilots in the US often operate out of Sierra Vista, Arizona. A podunk wasteland of mini-malls and sand in the middle of nowhere. The question was, say we drone Iran. Can Iran then come back and target our soldiers in Arizona without violating the "rules of war." The RoW state that enemy soldiers on the battlefield are fair game. But what happens when the "battlefield" is a low-slung one-story building in Arizona 10,000 miles away from where they fight? Would another nation be able to legally blow up the Sierra Vista Safeway?

>>96677
It's trivially easy for some sandjolly african-americans to enter the US and kill drone pilots at work. This goes to show the whole insurgency/terrorist stuff is just bullshit.

>>96681

>It's trivially easy for some sandjolly african-americans to enter the US and kill drone pilots at work.

No, it isn't.

Not at work. That would require getting on to the base. That is not easy since bases tend to have security and I bet the building the drone pilots are working in has a LOT of security. I doubt just anyone can wander into it.

Now, you CAN kill drone pilots and others by doing something like going to the Sierra Vista Safeway and blowing it up. Or maybe a bar in the area where the troops like to hang, etc.

Then what?

Is that "illegal" under war? Is it terrorism? Or does Sierra Vista become a battlefield encampment under the RoW?

>>96676

>the people we're at war with really ARE bad people

This is stupid. Yes, all of the kids being scooped up as cannon fodder are such bad people for trying to fight the forces that invaded their country and probably killed some of their family. Totally evil.

>I don't think their motives can.

You can criticize their leaders motives the same way you can criticize the leaders of Al-Qaeda. Are you going to criticize the "enemy combatants" for fighting the people who invaded their country or is everyone who does it some malicious terrorist? Not everyone is suicide bombers there's definitely that element but most of them are fighting and dying in much the same way as our armed forces.

This is what I'm trying to understand is it terrorism when you're in a war with a force that's in your own country and you kill those forces, just because you don't have a uniform on you're now different from every other person fighting in the wars? That's the way they sell it. You're going over there to "kill terrorists". When do we become the terrorists, is it when we stop giving our soldiers uniforms?

>you can't really say that fighting them isn't different from killing a soldier.

I don't really feel that way across the board because "them" can equal "all males above the age of 16 who are killed by our armed forces". A lot of "them" are more innocent than your soldiers. They have a habit of just labeling anyone enemy combatants and lets remember that a lot of the fighters our armed forces employed are not anything like our own soldiers(ie no uniforms, lol) they're pretty much the same as the "enemy combatants" the only difference is not blowing up civilians(which we do for them) and who they fight for.

You also have to look at the fact that fighting "them" lead to the deaths of literally over 1 million people(most of them muslim, see how they might be upset?) in Iraq who were not "them". I don't understand how people can look at that and not see that it clearly creates more people willing to kill the "invaders".

The question isn't whether extremists are right because we already know they're not, its is what WE are doing right? I think its not I think any good intentions are overshadowed by the massive amounts of death we bring.

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>>96676
You should also understand that a lot of the enemy combatants come from other countries for the sole reason of fighting our armed forces. A lot of that happened in Iraq. Fighters leave their own countries for Jihad. Al Qaeda came to Iraq because we were there.

Its like moths to a light. We're attracting more people who want to kill us just by being there. The military already understand this(though in the early days of the invasions they likely didn't understand the full effect they were having) but they weigh the rewards greater than the risk or maybe they just don't give a fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4vD6JpJAFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXd5nU6sSeA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPZVbzRKGs

>jpost
>ronpaulinstitue

>>96621

>reuters
>timesofisrael

Yeah, it seems legit. No, I believe it. If you draw a red line like that and say 'we're not gonna help you, unless someone uses chem weapons' what the fuck did we expect? Good job Obama, and he's still doing nothing.

How do you even make a conclusion like that? How do you figure out that it wasn't one side attempting to frame the other?

What would happen if Saudi Arabia (maybe with Qatar, U.A.E.) intervenes in Syria and helps to overthrow Al-Assad? They could later establish a politcal solution through negotiations, assuming there is a small chance of success. What are reasons for them to do it (strenghten sunnits, a heavy sideswipe against their real enemy iran, 'improve' humanitarian catastrophe,... ?) and what is against it (War with Iran, heavy international critique for risking that the whole middle east could collapse, thousands of wardead, operation could take several months, costs alot,...)?

I would be very glad if someone could inform me about this. Because my initial thought was: if the USA can't intervene (and this is certainly the case regarding ground forces), why don't the saudis do it? I'm aware that this isn't an option at all, I just would like to get all the possible consequences. Thanks!

>>96536
Shit!

Some dude just found Bog Pimp's stash too!

http://news.msn.com/world/rare-viking-coins-found-by-nerdy-danish-teenager

Bog Pimp is gonna be pissed as fuck!

>>96538
actually that type of thing turns up every now and then up here. the vikings didnt have banks so they just buried it somewhere where only they knew where it was. probably rarer in denmark though because most of the land is being used whereas in sweden, norway and finland theres probably a fuckton of shit lying in random holes. i remember hearing of a tree falling over hoisting a gold ring on one of its roots to eye height lol.

Good news, everyone! There's an update to one of these stories.
http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S3043917.shtml

>DA will not prosecute man arrested under SAFE Act

>>96618
Good for the DA.
Like I said, despite being pro-gun control, I think we need to be respectful with this kind of thing.

>>96633
im pro gun-control too. control being the operative word. im not pro gun-retard. talk about a pointless law. its exactly the type of law that just ruins everybodys day and dosent contribute shit to safety.

I don't really see anything new here. We've been supporting Israel since they're inception. When they were almost overrun by Egypt and Syria, the U.S came in with over $2.2 billion dollars (which was alot back then, especially overnight) and a shitload of equipment. Israel doesn't want foreign troops fighting their battles, if they did that, it would be tantamount to declaring that they have no legitimacy and are merely supported by western powers.
Which, you know, is the truth, but they'll never admit it. Unless Israel is literally burning and there's anarchy on the streets, we won't defend them. However, if WE decide on 'our own' that Iran merits military engagement, we'll take action.

>>96662
I'm right there with you when it comes to conscription. That has been a massively unpopular idea ever since the Vietnam War. However, nobody in congress is talking about fully re-instituting the selective service, which would be a different news story altogether.

I don't think people are openly willing to do more or less, especially since many Americans are still out of work and under-employed.

The problem in the US is that our culture is going through the process of normalization on several levels. People are used to working two jobs, being in debt, being in a state of war/terror and having no true congressional accountability.

What they do have is entertainment. We've taken a page from Emperor Vespasian's playbook by building amphitheaters to appease the restless and hungry masses. Take away their HD DirectTV, Netflix, Stanley Cup championship, NBA playoffs, etc...you will then see the level of complacency start to run dry and then we'll have a righteous revolution on our hands.

>>96686
Indeed. I cannot see any speculation that could end the circuses anytime soon, although I know there are some rough market corrections coming our way that could be detrimental to the service industry, which pretty much keeps the us structure going. Marc Faber talks at length about this, but I must say I'm not well enough versed in those matters to speculate.

>>96688
Although I will say a natural disaster could do it. This year is expected to be one of the worst in terms of hurricanes, due to the increased energy in our atmosphere.

>>96689
Not only that, but the lack of cooler waters in the oceans which help to take energy from the storms...like planetary heat sinks. The East coast is gonna get it's shit pushed in and I'm going to be laughing all the way.

id like to remind everyone that the warmer the planetary average the more energy in the atmosphere hence the more extreme the weather. not that you can blame any single event on global warming but there is a clear trend.

>>96518
The first comments I read on an NBC article about this were people arguing about this very thing. Its unfortunate that shit like this is always used against the people who are suffering in the wake of a tragedy where 10 children were crushed under debris. The people who didn't vote for their representative still have to be represented by him.

I live in tornado alley about 100 miles south of Moore, my aunt lived in a suburb near Moore, and not everyone has the same views on politics. Something like 40% of people voted democrat in the last election here in Texas and 34% of Okies voted democrat in the 2008 election. Those people weren't voting against federal funding, but they get what the majority voted for.

All I'm saying is lets quit judging a bunch of people we don't even know. Its a dumb thing to do and its not fair to the people who live there.

>>96655
OP here. I am always aware of the hapless and the outvoted from these "red states" and districts, and I feel especially sorry for their plight. I hope things like this can bring more people around to their senses...

Not that the Democrats are perfect (Pretty miserable in recent days in fact)

>>96666

>Not that the Democrats are perfect (Pretty miserable in recent days in fact)

I was only bringing that up to demonstrate that there's a huge number of people who are not even close to being responsible for federal funding being voted down by senators. They either didn't vote for them or if they did they likely wouldn't agree with the way they voted.

I'm just saying the people putting shit on these victims are fucking scum who put petty ideological views over living breathing human beings who lost their homes and their friends and families lives.

>>96671
I was confused about where my great aunt lives btw she actually is in moore her house was one of the only ones left standing in their neighborhood - proof of jesus

>>96596
holy shit! stockholm here: i dont take offence or anything but muslims here universally condemned the bombing in the hardest words they had. the girls father (the girl theyre demonstrating for) said he was glad he was dead and hadnt hurt anyone else.
britain? no offense, but... wat? our muslims wave swedish flags when they protest...

>>96597

>britain? no offense, but... wat

I know! It is like....WTF? These people just want to turn the UK into fucking Pakistan....

>>96634
i didnt mean it that way. basically i was just saying "you guys with boots on the ground, please clarify."

>>96596
Okay, but isn't that the same as the WBC or any hate group in the US?

>And why won't you stop it?

If they're just protesting what do you want them to do to stop it? Its the same way the WBC can't be stopped because they're not actually committing any crimes.

I'm not excusing anything those people said just trying to put things in perspective, but I've never even been to the UK so I don't really know.

>>96660
Yes, in many ways they are the same as WBC.

Although, to be honest here, WBC has never killed anyone or blown anything up. Other hate groups have been involved in that, and yes, they are the same. Make no mistake, I think that anyone who does this kind of shit is a terrorist. Skin color, religion, etc is irrelevant. And yes, I have in the past stated that I feel that the anti-choice movement has a terrorist element.
Just like Islam.

>If they're just protesting what do you want them to do to stop it? Its the same way the WBC can't be stopped because they're not actually committing any crimes.

>I'm not excusing anything those people said just trying to put things in perspective, but I've never even been to the UK so I don't really know.

That is a legitimate argument. What I meant was that the UK needs to figure this shit out. This radicalization is coming from somewhere. And honestly, they do need to rethink immigration as part of this. If not to prevent an import of more radicals, but even to prevent more people who will give birth to radicals, as some of these seem to be born from immigrant parents.

Shit has to stop.

>>96487
Wow...you put me on ignore.
Zero fucks given.

Also, anyone know where I can find the video that they have of this that will play for a US IP address? I am morbidly fascinated with the fact that they just calmly started talking to people. Like, WTF? How is that even POSSIBLE?

>>96489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZzG_w1kyNg
that is why people shouldent post rt.

regardless; he has a point that this is just as justified by the bible and the torah as it is by the koran. then we have all the shit in the talmud, the hadiths and what a bunch of random popes have decided. if stalin can call himself a communist and north korea can call itself democratic then im an amish massai using an atari to post this.

>>96492
I was fine with that video until the reporter said Baghdad style violence. Did a fucking car bomb go off?

>>96492
No, it is true that religion fucks shit up. Especially when clinging to it means you end up supporting barbaric backwards bullshit.

>>95999

>>96413
Base 21!!!

Because to count I'd have to take of my shoes and drop my pants....

>>96409
I remember learning that time is measured in degrees of a circle. So the idea of a "metric clock" (from 1-10) is unnecessary, as it is based on the geometry of a circle, and not some arbitrary 12 inches= foot or 5824 feet to a mile stuff.

>>96427
this is true. the basic idea of metrics is simply that its consistent. inches, feet, miles, pounds, stones and so forth have different relationships within the same system. metric is just 10, 10, 10 and then some more 10, which makes it much easier.
base 10 is different though. it was really just randomly picked (probably because of how many fingers we have) and is not necessarily the most fluid base to count from. so there is a) having the same base for all units to make counting easier and b) having a base that makes counting easier. suggesting 12 instead of 10 is a b) thing but suggesting metric instead of imperial is an a) thing.

>>96427

But the division of a circle into 360 degrees is arbitrary. You could just as easily divide a circle in 100 degrees and have a base-10 clock.

>>96515
I'd rather have a Based God clock....

>>96394

>So because you have extreme cases of police misconduct, lighter cases of misconduct should be allowed?

I would be thrilled to find out how you arrived at that conclusion.

>To hate them is to hate the raven that sends death's tidings

You're really terrible at making analogies and you should probably just stop.

Ravens are scavengers. They come either after an animal has died or when it has become apparent that it will die soon. Ravens themselves have no part in causing an organism's death. If you really must continue with these ridiculous analogies, ravens would be the news media that figuratively gorges and sustains themselves off of recent tragedy.

>You even went to the extreme of stating that it is procedural to shoot people 41 times

Show me where I said that was procedural and I'll give you all my stank tokens.

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they have marauding gangs of women with sticks that beat up men they fucked?

shit, this is why they have the taliban in these countries, bitches be str8 nuts

guys I heard when you join the police force you are connected to the police hivemind which is aware of all the information and experiences that all cops possess, and that orders and chain of command don't exist in the police force

thus we can blame all the cops when as little as a single person makes a bad call

is that true

>>96441

>guys I heard when you join the police force you are connected to the police hivemind which is aware of all the information and experiences that all cops possess, and that orders and chain of command don't exist in the police force

>thus we can blame all the cops when as little as a single person makes a bad call

Guys, I heard you didn't read anything in this thread, which addressed that retarded "but not all bolice r bad XDDDDD" argument multiple times already.

It's not about "this cop was good today, but that cop was bad." It's about the position of law enforcement, which all cops voluntarily decide to work in the capacity of, which has in reality nothing to do with protecting people (See Warren v. DC: http://www.mcrkba.org/w19.html ), and which requires its employees to treat psychoactive plant or chemical ownership as a crime.

Klansmen aren't bad people because they're connected to the KKK hivemind. They're bad people for deciding to join the KKK in the first place.

>>96524
yes but there are different police forces as well. the lapd seems like just another gang from what you guys keep telling me but the stockholm pd will call off a car chase if continuing it puts the suspect in danger.
e.g. a guy with his girlfriend drove a motorbike 90kmh up the wrong way of a one way street with a 30 limit so the police started chasing him. however, since chasing him was casing him to drive extremely dangerously in trying to flee the cops the chase was called off. 15 mins after they stopped chasing him he still managed to crash and kill himself tho...

>>96377
i never argued that americans were ignorant or barbaric. dont put those words in my mouth.

btw, buddists are currently killing muslims in myanmar/burma http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/21/us-usa-myanmar-idUSBRE94J0PH20130521

>>96393
Oh so there is now an arbitrary time period where if passed horrific deeds no longer count? I'm guessing you'll be singing America's praises in another 60 or so years

>>96412

Mainly because by then china will be the superpower everyone hates, but still relies on to keep the economy stable.

>>96412

>Oh so there is now an arbitrary time period where if passed horrific deeds no longer count?

You're fucking stupid. It's never been an arbitrary period, it's always been a very specific unit of measure. And it's not new.

Things only count for as long as those directly transgressed are still alive, and capable of exacting revenge.

An event becomes even less relevant when the people who actually committed the crime are dead. If there dead, what are you even worrying about?

The unit of measure is the duration of those alive when the event occurred. Once everyone DIRECTLY involved is dead, who fucking cares? Given that humans don't live past 120 years, well there's your limit.

No other circumstances matter.

If it didn't happen to you, and if you weren't affected by witnessing events transpire during your lifetime, and if all you know is what people tell you, or some words written in a book, then it doesn't count. When everyone left alive was born after the thing happened, it's over.

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>>96407


Good. It's about time someone starts the purge.