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DT: "Obama spied on me" by Fuck Mollyshit - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 08:22:08 EST ID:iTeksKaa No.156420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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According to President Donald Trump, President Obama spied on his office during the election campaign. Donald trump asks what the ethics are and should presidents be able to spy on presidential candidates during an election?

>There was no information provided to substantiate Mr Trump's claims, and it was not clear on what he was basing them — although yesterday far right-wing news outlet Breitbart published an article claiming Mr Obama eavesdropped on the Trump campaign.

So there is that too.
Sidney Billingshaw - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 08:32:29 EST ID:L1VWkTBK No.156421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well since Obama was spying on everyone, he's technically right. Trump hasn't stopped the spying, so now he's spying on everyone too.
Fucking Cluffingman - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 08:40:06 EST ID:VZ/vm67j No.156422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So does that mean he's going to stop the spying? I'm not sure what the consequences of this but at the very least it would make him look less like a hypocrite.
Walter Senkindock - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 11:14:03 EST ID:6MdedLC2 No.156425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Angus Cubberlare - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 12:53:36 EST ID:lYEV514W No.156426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Kind of waiting for Trump to actually have Obama arrested.

Even though there is zero evidence that any of this happened.
Eliza Gennerford - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 13:12:17 EST ID:cbhMfSls No.156428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's just Trump being a fucking retard not realising that talking shit on the FBI, CIA and the NSA will only make those organisations more likely to talk to the press about how he fucks shit up.

It's like kicking a hornets nest and asking why you're getting stung.
Shitting Hozzlewetch - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 14:43:56 EST ID:kOO0oq2A No.156431 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>So does that mean he's going to stop the spying?

lol hell no
Fucking Cluffingman - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:07:18 EST ID:VZ/vm67j No.156433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
True, it would require him to actually do things like introspection, and there's no room for that in Trump's America.
Charles Senkintid - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 19:33:05 EST ID:L1VWkTBK No.156438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>leans in
>shouts real loud
>eyes wide, dead, frenzied
Eugene Focklespear - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 20:32:11 EST ID:SHn4VjJ9 No.156439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Welcome to hell, Toddler-In-Chief.
Barnaby Drettingnedge - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 00:58:47 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.156441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lets hope he keeps grabbing at that huge hornets net with his unusually tiny baby hands, then. They will end up being an extention of the press.

lol, if anything, Trump will increase surveillance, just like a paranoid king trying to protect his gold and kingship.
Sidney Bardway - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 18:57:47 EST ID:EjFN0ri2 No.156453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>lol, if anything, Trump will increase surveillance,

Well he's got a long way to go if he wants to catch up with this guy, who not only renewed Bush-era spying practices, but expanded them

Jarvis Bunwater - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 20:54:33 EST ID:cm4LvD/b No.156454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Martin Blenkinbury - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 21:18:23 EST ID:0hiLuBpD No.156455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, because you can't criticize previous administrations "accomplishments". Grow the fuck up.
Jarvis Bunwater - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 22:21:33 EST ID:cm4LvD/b No.156456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sorry, people are going to call you out when you try to deflect criticisms of the current administration by rambling about things the previous administration did.

And I guess you're new here, because we've been criticizing Obama over that stuff for years. Now he's gone and Trump is the president, so that's where our attention turns. Unless Trump is going to reverse these policies you care *so* much about, bringing them up itt does nothing besides make you look like a cheap shill.
Sophie Pizzlehodging - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 02:53:10 EST ID:TsC3FCgv No.156457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>implying the previous admin rules are just thrown out when the term is up.

do you even listen to your self? How much Kvetching did Obama fans pull up about Bushes mess when he got in? Oh noo dis economy so bad we can't blame Obombed ya if he can't fix it because Bush fucked us so hard.

Seriously, grow the fuck up.
Fuck Drigglebodging - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 05:10:26 EST ID:SHn4VjJ9 No.156459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Let's talk about gas prices under Obama's administration now.
Fucking Sonningbury - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 06:42:15 EST ID:zZbhozFw No.156462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Now please explain how any of this changes the fact that unless Trump reverses those policies Obama put in place, going "b-but Obama!" in this thread is still stupid.
Jarvis Bunwater - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 08:46:52 EST ID:cm4LvD/b No.156466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>How much Kvetching did Obama fans pull up about Bushes mess when he got in? Oh noo dis economy so bad we can't blame Obombed ya if he can't fix it because Bush fucked us so hard.
So "Obama fans" blaming Bush for the economy Obama inherited = WRONG, BAD
But Trump fans blaming Obama for the mass surveillance programs that have been building us since before Obama was even a senator, that Trump has made no attempt to shut down, and that Trump has actually expressed a desire to expand = A-OKAY!

It's a bit hilarious to see Trumpsuckers complain about Obama being a militaristic and authoritarian president, when Trump has repeatedly criticized him for not being militaristic and authoritarian enough.
Matilda Waffingspear - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 10:20:53 EST ID:fVxlLS44 No.156467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't waste your time. Logic and critical thinking are anathema for them.
Simon Mepperforth - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 15:18:26 EST ID:okcxXpDl No.156468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>President Obama spied on his office during the election campaign.
Technically this is true though. It's also old news. Echelon was investigated and confirmed by the European parliament during the Bush administration long before anyone was legally empowered to do it. Currently the Trump administration is hoovering up Obamas emails and putting it in that complex in Utah.
Hannah Tillingshaw - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 03:01:02 EST ID:mM9fZu54 No.156487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm surprised nobody's picked up on

>former Barack Obama

So does that make Trump the new Barack Obama? Is Obama just Barry now or something?
Eugene Tillingshaw - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 05:24:40 EST ID:iTeksKaa No.156488 Ignore Report Quick Reply

hahaha, i seen it. heck government funded news organisation! you get what you pay for.
Phineas Fungerhall - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:01:22 EST ID:TsC3FCgv No.156491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
From now on the president is titled "Barack Obama"
Sidney Pittway - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 06:43:51 EST ID:hjTuaXhy No.156570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Proven right yet again. March 7 Wikileaks drops the biggest spy proofs ever.

Trump: 2542 Losers: 0
Angus Pitthood - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:03:30 EST ID:fVxlLS44 No.156571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Caroline Crimblebury - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:11:47 EST ID:xqNTLnuf No.156572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Has Trump said anything about the CIA leaks? Figured he would have blabbed something about it now.
Barnaby Blackfield - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:09:16 EST ID:tljjrZRZ No.156573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Those were wiretaps on the Russian Ambassador. We spy on foreign ambassadors and never pretended we don't. If you have a conversation with one, you should know your shit is getting tapped. How could anyone possibly believe there was some giant conspiracy to cover up wiretapping that was published on the front page of the NYT - and that whoever made the image was the only fuck clever enough to find it?
Doris Hingerwill - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:32:17 EST ID:cm4LvD/b No.156579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please point out which leaked documents verify Trump's claim.
Reuben Turveyspear - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:19:17 EST ID:cbhMfSls No.156582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bu bu bu bu bu but the future tooooold me! I'm woke af!
Esther Pickwell - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:08:37 EST ID:lHNg+bDS No.156586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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fuck off CIA
John Dongerdock - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 02:06:19 EST ID:qPJ8ir3k No.156607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Walter Fingerket - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 02:56:01 EST ID:cm4LvD/b No.156608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
None of that confirms Trump's accusation that Obama personally ordered Trump Tower be wiretapped specifically to help derail his campaign because reasons.

Trump's name doesnt even come up there.
Walter Fingerket - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 03:03:51 EST ID:cm4LvD/b No.156609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That guy doesnt prove anything either, apart from that intelligence agencies were monitoring the Trump campaign and his staff over ties to foreign governments, and that a federal court found enough evidence to approve such action.

Which is something everyone already knew. Because, you know, Sessions had to recuse himself from Russia investigations due to his ties, Flynn had to step down due to ties to Russia and was just revealed to have been on the Turkish government's payroll since during the campaign, and others involved in the campaign had ties to Russia.

0 for 2 so far.
Polly Hurringson - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:59:17 EST ID:C9vqYq85 No.156641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>apart from that intelligence agencies were monitoring the Trump campaign and his staff over ties to foreign governments,

Point proven. the POTUS is the commander in chief.
Ebenezer Trotfoot - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:47:26 EST ID:aIivaRsS No.156645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Then Trump is guilty of exactly the same things he's accusing Obama of.
Samuel Pammerhire - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 23:41:05 EST ID:cm4LvD/b No.156648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes. Which is why it's best to be sure that a potential commander in chief isn't in the pocket of some foreign government.
Eugene Mazzlekag - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:16:08 EST ID:lYEV514W No.156654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh, hello there!
Cornelius Nissleshit - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:48:55 EST ID:xU8+78iV No.156657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
These were my thoughts exactly.

My other thoughts are scapegoating and, Russian American tension = political push toward new war economy
Caroline Brookworth - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:16:36 EST ID:mM9fZu54 No.156665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The establishment starts losing its grip on the minds of the public and all of a sudden we should all be scared of Russia again, no really.
Alice Pingerstone - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 05:21:35 EST ID:cbhMfSls No.156676 Ignore Report Quick Reply
White House now says that Trump's talk about Obama's spying was "figure of speech" and not meant to be taken literally.

We were always at war with Eastasia...
Ebenezer Crullercocke - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:54:50 EST ID:4omJIouy No.156683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
stop whining, Obama paved the way for you to have endless tapping abilities. is getting tapped in return really too much to ask for?
Graham Gunnercocke - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:53:59 EST ID:xqNTLnuf No.156688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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There is one wiretapped phone.
Alice Pingerstone - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:42:28 EST ID:cbhMfSls No.156692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, Bush jr. paved the way for you to have endless tapping abilities.

Bush jr. threw out all the predictive analytic tools of the NSA and CIA developed in academic and military circles in favour for direct big data collecting from the private sector.
Archie Lightwell - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:46:10 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.156693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
true. it doesn't really matter who though because both the right and left are not in opposition to the massive spying so you might as well say that the establishment paved the way.
Alice Pingerstone - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:14:42 EST ID:cbhMfSls No.156694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's a shame you Americans don't have the Pirate Party.

Those guys stand up for your right to privacy.
John Hudgewater - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:02:05 EST ID:r14Wb2/L No.156696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There are 4 lines!
Charlotte Turveyforth - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:19:47 EST ID:okcxXpDl No.156719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Would never work in an FPTP voting system. Just ask Ron Paul.
Thomas Grandshit - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 01:07:03 EST ID:EjFN0ri2 No.156754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanx anyway, we have the Tea Party to do that for us.
Priscilla Fullynag - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 01:55:41 EST ID:B7EBVJHu No.156755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The tea party was entirely coopted by koch-funded groups whose economic (cut taxes, deregulate industry, cut social spending) and political (oppose anyone who compromises with democrats) platforms were favorable to their industries.

If you were paying attention for the last 17 years, you'll have no illusion that their "constitutionally-limited government" stance will not prevent them from justifying spying "for national security", and private ISPs from selling customer data.
The unregulated state of the internet is not free.
Thomas Grandshit - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 11:56:03 EST ID:EjFN0ri2 No.156757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's right, I have no illusions of privacy in place like the Internet, any more than when I step out my front door. Tea party has nothing to do with it. You need to understand that the regulated state of the Internet isn't private either. Would you expect your conversations, identity, and whereabouts to be private if you were in the middle of a crowded city square, or football stadium? Why in the world would anyone think that the Internet (a public space that stretches across every corner of the globe) is any different?
Molly Chungerforth - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:45:05 EST ID:NuDb/mEX No.156759 Ignore Report Quick Reply

because most people are very stupid
Fanny Wengermick - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:36:55 EST ID:B7EBVJHu No.156768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>You need to understand that the regulated state of the Internet isn't private either.
It can be if said regulations enforce net neutrality.
Emails and other non-public messages should have an expectation of privacy as mail, phone calls, or any other form of private communication.

A regulated internet would stop the government from spying on you by stopping ISPs from spying on you.
Barnaby Murddale - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 00:53:18 EST ID:EjFN0ri2 No.156773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Net neutrality has nothing to do with your identity and privacy on the internet.

And your phone calls are no more private than email. Your only hope for privacy on any network that connects to anything outside of your private property is an unhackable form of end-to-end encryption that you can place all of your trust in. Good luck finding that.
Polly Honeyway - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 03:15:05 EST ID:+5q0zMgm No.156774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it wasn't co-opted, it was created by those people. Mercer being one of the main ones, who is also basically the brain/brawn/connections behind Breitbart, Bannon, and Trump's win. Mercer and his money/connects/analytical agencies were behind Cruz until he was taken out, then they put their money behind Trump.

Btw, I'm not liberal, I'm kinda conservative, but I don't really like either party. I'm very discerning about any news that I'll read that has any kind of slant, I'm turned off right away when I notice it. But this source is actually really good, doesn't have any corporate sponsors, etc.

This is a piece they did on how Trump won, and the people behind his campaign that gave him the victory. Same people behind the failed tea party movement.

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