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"Wtf, I love Trump now!": Montenegro Edition by Priscilla Berrypotch - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 19:29:38 EST ID:mFK5yRIO No.157341 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I don't know whether he's making an about face in policy, or whether he's just trying to LOOK like he's not pals with Putin, but Trump has been doing some shit that I like lately.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/11/trump-certifies-addition-montenegro-nato/

>President Trump notified Senate leaders Tuesday that he approves of a move to formally add the Balkan nation of Montenegro into NATO, an expansion of the alliance that’s opposed by Russia.

Now Montenegro will have NATO protection and Putin can keep his dirty little dick-beaters off their fuckin government and internal affairs.
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James Gunkinlodge - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:31:58 EST ID:2uHawvBy No.157343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i hate trump to the point that i even voted for hillary despite also hating hillary, but the missile strikes on assad and now this please me.

i'm not the kind of partisan contrarian who's gonna hate trump no matter, and while all in all i think trump is human garbage still, he's making headway in changing my mind, at least as far as foreign policy goes.

let's see where this goes. lol who knows maybe trump will end up crushing putin's irredentist dreams.
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James Trotson - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:14:10 EST ID:99i/QYUr No.157351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157343
I said it a long time ago that Trump is playing the Regan 2.0 card. Everyone got pissy and said I was defacing their beloved senile president.

>Start off as a democrat TV star.
>Hurr I'm Republican!
>Charm your way into the whitehouse with a populist message.
>Be a "strong" international leader.
>Conduct an economic policy that will bury us in 10 years.
>Blame it on the next guy that cleans up the mess.
>Laugh to the bank and die of Alzheimer's.
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Lillian Goblingnere - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:37:53 EST ID:ZHHMC0O8 No.157352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157343
>Democrat-desu, voted Hillary!
>I despise Trump
>Oh wait he just committed an international act of aggression based on no hard-evidence against the army of Syria! Yay!
>Now that he's using cruise missiles to kill innocent people, I'm really glad Trump won.

Trump voter here. He's a fucking traitor to the USA and to the world. Here's to another 4 years of hating my POTUS, like the entire rest of my life has been like.
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Alice Bubblebury - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 12:53:24 EST ID:okcxXpDl No.157358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157352
Not trying to be a dick but considering he has long been a known quantity what were you actually hoping to get from him?
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Graham Hibberworth - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:36:02 EST ID:kOO0oq2A No.157361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157352

For real. That post was eyebrow-raising to say the least.
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Lillian Goblingnere - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:55:43 EST ID:ZHHMC0O8 No.157364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157358
>what were you actually hoping to get from him?
What were you actually hoping to get from ANY of the candidates? That's my answer.

>>157361
>That post was eyebrow-raising to say the least.
It shocks you that some of us dislike our president's wanton use of violence in the face of the possibility that violence wasn't warranted? It shocks you that some of us don't want our president bombing the Middle East?

Since when did the Democrats become such adamant Warhawks? Are the Democrats the new Tea Party?
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Alice Bubblebury - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:14:57 EST ID:okcxXpDl No.157367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157364
>What were you actually hoping to get from ANY of the candidates?
Fair enough tbh. How come you guys never manage to nominate better candidates then? You are one of the older democracies you know.
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Alice Bubblebury - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:19:01 EST ID:okcxXpDl No.157368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157364
>Since when did the Democrats become such adamant Warhawks?
To an outsider it seems like a bit of a legacy issue. The Bush administration didn't just fuck up the region they made it your problem. Then there is the oft cited reason that women need to be more hawkish or be labeled as weak. Also the republicans always like a war so it's one of the few things you can get done.

nb double
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Ian Derrynin - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:46:53 EST ID:B7EBVJHu No.157369 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157364
>what were you actually hoping to get
Free school, affordable healthcare via emulating countries that spend less and get more, getting rid of loopholes the rich use to avoid paying taxes, limits on lobbying, limits on PACs, reformed immigration that enables illegals to apply for citizenship if they pay back taxes and a fine, you know basic sensible shit that improves the lives and productivity of all americans and how effectively the government acts in our interests, and is abhored by republicans.
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Doris Crottingnit - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:09:48 EST ID:1kLMhMMJ No.157371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157369

Not to be a stinkin' booty, but it'd be hard for a single man to do all that. The house and senate are notoriously difficult when it comes to getting thing done right, let alone getting thing done at all.
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Sophie Babbleshit - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:16:36 EST ID:1fIHantD No.157373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Questions NATO legitimacy during elections
>Totally on board with NATO as president, and even more aggressive when it comes to military use than the alliance.

So is this a result of his unpredictability or is it circumstantial evidence for an American shadow government.
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Priscilla Dennerduck - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:46:24 EST ID:eoYkc2OT No.157375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump adopts Clinton's views on Syria.
>Clinton voter rejoice.
>Trump voter disappointed.

INB4 Bernie support yell at former Bernie supporter for switching to Trump
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Caroline Clayfield - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:33:13 EST ID:mFK5yRIO No.157376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157369

>Free school, affordable healthcare via emulating countries that spend less and get more, getting rid of loopholes the rich use to avoid paying taxes, limits on lobbying, limits on PACs, reformed immigration that enables illegals to apply for citizenship if they pay back taxes and a fine, you know basic sensible shit that improves the lives and productivity of all americans and how effectively the government acts in our interests, and is abhored by republicans.

What about Trump made you think that he would ever work to give you any of that in a million fucking years?

Literally none of that was in his platform, especially the immigration part. Trump promised to get rid of Obamacare and bring us further from the successful models of healthcare that exist around the world, he presented a tax plan that gave most of the cuts to rich people, he fucking loves lobbyists and PACs lol

Jesus man, were you being satirical just now?
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Caroline Clayfield - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:13:24 EST ID:mFK5yRIO No.157377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157373

It's not unpredictable and it's not evidence of conspiracy, it's just evidence of Trump being full of shit and telling lies about how he feels and what he will do in order to secure votes.

He's already admitted to doing so in the past, when he was confronted by an audience of supporters who wanted Clinton behind bars like he promised.
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Matilda Hivingway - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 20:07:47 EST ID:1fIHantD No.157378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>157377

Dude don't you think it's interesting that the US foreign policy never really changes between elections.

Unless you have the memory of a goldfish...
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George Bruzzledug - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 20:13:43 EST ID:mFK5yRIO No.157379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157378

That's pretty predictable too. When we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars worth of resources, military contracts, etc, they're not going to let people vote on it.
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Reuben Pittson - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 20:16:20 EST ID:99i/QYUr No.157380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157369
>Free school
This would only devalue college to the point of it being as useful as a High School Diploma. We've already seen this happen when college became mandatory for the past generation or two.

>affordable healthcare via emulating countries that spend less and get more
The Unites States can't emulate small and highly wealthy European countries. It is far too diverse and spread apart to do this and keep everything else status quo. We "could" do it but it is highly unlikely and would damage us in far more places. National, "Affordable" healthcare is something that would take 10-20 years of work to make happen and collaboration on so many sides, it is a pipe dream. An extremely complex problem that a country only capable of simple solutions wants to work on. Good luck.


>getting rid of loopholes the rich use to avoid paying taxes
You've got to be young or have never managed finances or filed a tax return. Run a business, a small one like a bar or work with real-estate and get back to me on these "Loopholes." There aren't any. The rich don't get any more loopholes than we on the bottom do. This is all hyped up fantasy. The only loopholes are tax deferment and capitol gains hooey. Both of which you still pay a tax on and get basically nothing for. The tax code fucks everyone. The rich just seem to get the upper hand, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY RICH!

>limits on lobbying
Good luck with that. A good idea in theory but there is pro and anti everything. It basically all comes down to how much money is bribed. Lobbying isn't as big of a problem as you might think.

>limits on PACs
Meh. Same with lobbying but even less of an issue.

>reformed immigration that enables illegals to apply for citizenship if they pay back taxes and a fine
Illegals can apply for citizenship. The back taxes are never going to happen because I'll let you in on a little secret, companies hire illegals that will do jobs that Americans won't. They hire them for crops mostly and then fire them after the season is over. The company pays no taxes, just a "fine" and the illegals go back to Mexico for the winter. Illegal immigration isn't a big deal. It wouldn't even be an issue if it wasn't for the War on Drugs. You've been duped by the media.

>you know basic sensible shit that improves the lives and productivity of all americans and how effectively the government acts in our interests, and is abhored by republicans.
Ho boy, we've got a stupid one here. There is nothing Basic in the world of governance. Second, there is nothing "sensible" where money is involved. There is just being in the red or black. And the millions upon millions of ties that bind from getting between the two. The government will act in the interest of their own and their finances and nothing else. Nobody goes into politics with a closed minded approach looking to change shit for the "greater good" and makes it out alive or stays in office. You bend to whatever you're told to.

And hate to cause the skies to fall but the Democrats and Republicans are just as bad as each other. You've been manipulated into thinking both aren't just a bunch of fucksticks. No matter what team you cheer for, the winner is going to come fuck you up and then the loose will come by and get in a few cheap shots after you're toast.
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Matilda Hivingway - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 20:16:27 EST ID:1fIHantD No.157381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157379

Exactly dude. One of the major selling points of Trump was implied non-intervention.

While his track-record as a president is even more edgy than that of Obama and his drone infatuation.
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Hugh Blackbanks - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 20:49:02 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157381
His whole schtick about not being a typical politician and being a "political outsider" was total bs, and was a tactic that Bannon and Mercer used previously with the Tea Party. They both used frustration with government inaction and stuff like that to persuade people to get behind them, and both are ultimately more of the same. The whole thing with Trump's backers was to use the frustration with the government to push far right ideas. And it's obviously working as the average everyman conservative is now on board with much further right stuff than they were before the election season.
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Matilda Hivingway - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:14:27 EST ID:1fIHantD No.157383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157382

Sure it was just an election strategy, but my point is that the practical American foreign policy between presidents is just a matter of which and how much they listen to the ideas of Pentagon generals.

There's always predictability to these things, no matter who sits in the White House. Hell JFK did the Bay of Pigs ffs.
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Jarvis Pickford - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 00:54:09 EST ID:+5q0zMgm No.157384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157383
Yeah. Honestly, Ron Paul could have been elected and he'd still have had trouble not going around and toppling governments we have no business doing.
The Military industrial complex, working with a lot of massive financial interests (like energy) the CIA, Pentagon, Homeland Security, all of them. They're not a "shadow government" like JFK said, because we know they're there, but people don't understand how much power they wield, and they're not even elected. They're the ones that make all the biggest decisions that have the most impact on America's trajectory. They're the parts of the government that decide when we're sending people off to war, and they just tell it to the bobblehead in charge and the media when they've got to spin it that way. And someone will never be able to be president if they can't do that job for them. There are plenty of safeguards in both parties by-laws that ensure that if some maverick ends up getting enough popularity that he will be zeroed out, not to mention media blackouts to keep them from getting to that point.
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Shitting Wunningtan - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:57:27 EST ID:ZHHMC0O8 No.157389 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157380
You can't talk to a 'Democratic Socialist' about economics. It's too complicated for them. Their mind is wrapped up in bullshit lies about capitalism. They've been indoctrinated into looking only at capitalisms failures, and none of it's wonderful accomplishments. They can't bare the fact that capitalism doesn't want to float people who can't take care of themselves and won't put in the effort, that personal responsibility can leave people dead by their own hand.
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Hamilton Sidgefare - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:18:21 EST ID:KnxwMtiY No.157391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157380
>Free school
lol that assumes that having a higher skilled work force doesn't add value to the economy, ie that education is only worth what it's relative to. by this logic we should just abolish all education except maybe kindergarten, thus saving tons on education costs but bringing up the value of kindergarten education to the point that it's equivalent to a college degree.

that of course, is retarded.

>healthcare
>small and highly wealthy European countries
nigga our GPD per capita is higher than the average European country. even larger countries like Japan can do it (half the pop of the US). the "it's too big to work for us" argument is complete BS, esp when you consider how much the average american actual does spend on healthcare anyway. all the extra costs we pay are just profits for health insurance and medical companies. that's it.

>10-20 years of work to make happen
OMG SO DAUNTING better just give up.

>business loopholes
this really depends on what kind of business you have. your average ma and pa general store ain't banking shit from loopholes. father runs a couple of small business and yeah. but i've done bookkeeping for a rich guy's startup and the kind of shit he writes off as business expenses were fucking ridiculous.

the biggest break you can get in earning elsewhere that from a job is that earned money is taxed way more heavily than accrued wealth. most of these loopholes thus exist in realms like real estate, banking, investment sectors, etc. this is how people like trump can end up with way lower efective tax rates than you or me.

the rich seem to get the upper hand because having the upper hand, they make sure to secure that upper hand. those in power will never give it up willingly.

>limits on lobbying
>limits on PACs
>Meh.
oh, you're that guy. that guy who, when confronted with a valid argument, replies with "meh."

you have to admit it, it's bullshit. and yes, there are other things that are bullshit like you mentioned. doesn't mean it isn't bullshit. he's got you on this point.

>Illegal immigration isn't a big deal.
agreed. not nearly the issue it's made out to be.

>The government will act in the interest of their own and their finances and nothing else.
just as private corporations will.

i just always have to laugh at people who think the solution to government bullshit is corporate bullshit. when given the opportunity, private corporations will fill the very same role that governments do, with the same bullshit all over. the only major difference is that with government you have democratically elected officials instead of internally selected executives, or, at best, shareholder elected board members and such.

retards like >>157389 who try to look at this from a socialism vs capitalism perspective will never understand this.
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Hamilton Sidgefare - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:23:37 EST ID:KnxwMtiY No.157392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157391
should add
>with government you have democratically elected officials
that's how it's supposed to work anyway. of course if you either tie this in with government corruption or corporate interference, well...
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Jenny Sigglesud - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:48:54 EST ID:NXRGyLOd No.157399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157389
>bullshit lies about capitalism
>I'm not going to state these lies
>I have never read Capital vol. 1-3 because I am a fucking retard who can't digest economic theory

>hey've been indoctrinated into looking only at capitalisms failures, and none of it's wonderful accomplishments
What accomplishments? Inb4 muh iphones. Technological development has less to do with the economic system and more to do with the actual dudes inventing shit. Capitalism hasn't done anything except fuck people over for the last couple hundreds of years.

>They can't bare the fact that capitalism doesn't want to float people who can't take care
That's literally why they're anti-capitalist, bruh.
>an't take care of themselves and won't put in the effort
Yeah, let's let all the handicapped, etc. people die because they can't work or live off a 9-5 job like your average cunt. That's cool. Social darwinism for everyone!
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Fanny Modgestone - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 20:19:15 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157399
The profit motive is a contributing factor in a lot of innovation.
But it's also a major hindrance to advancement, as it often means businesses will be resistant to change if there isn't as much profit in it, even if the evolution means more efficiency in use of resources.
That's my biggest problem with capitalism is how inefficient it is. Tons and tons of food is wasted, you buy cars that are designed to break after 5-10 years, and phones that have malware to self destruct after a couple years.
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George Seblinghire - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 22:17:54 EST ID:EjFN0ri2 No.157404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157400
It's not a problem at all, actually. That's because as the cost of resources increases proportionally with their scarcity, and so the efficiency in use of these resources becomes more and more profitable. Free market capitalism wins again!
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Fanny Modgestone - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 23:23:34 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157404
Literally all you said was that value rises as supply goes down. Yeah no shit, that doesn't mean anything. Thanks for making me waste thought on that idiotic statement..
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Eliza Dartcocke - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 00:21:18 EST ID:B7EBVJHu No.157406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157400
>The profit motive is a contributing factor in a lot of innovation.
Virtually all the research necessary for modern society had no profit motive; it was performed by some combination of publicly-funded academia, publicly-funded research/projects by corporations (IBM), the military, or Bell Labs (whose parent corporation's profit was taxed at 100% above a certain percent of expense, incentivizing research that would never increase profits).

Profit motive is wonderful for rearranging shit we already know into consumer products for short-term gains, but would never have created physical computers, transistors, microprocessors, communications satellites, the internet, etc.
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Fanny Modgestone - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 00:47:31 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157407 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157406
Yeah you're right. Though profit motive does give some incentive, I think you're right in that it has more to do with ambition and good than greed and selfishness. I mean if you think back at all the biggest steps forward technology wise, they were made by people who were geniuses that just had great ideas and wanted to bring them to life. I hadn't really looked at stuff like that before, for some reason. It's probably to do with programming that tells us that the profit motive is good.
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Fuck Blatherway - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 05:17:31 EST ID:mM9fZu54 No.157409 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157407
Studies have shown that the profit motive is good for incentivising people to do well at the kind of dull, menial, monotonous tasks that should be automated anyway. Any kind of task that involves innovation and creativity is actually hampered by the profit motive, as the introduction of financial concerns only serves as a distraction.

Basically, the profit motive is shit and only really serves the small minority of psychopaths who really do only care about personal wealth.
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Thomas Wedgehall - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:47:59 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.157413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157409
yeah this.

this also ends up serving as a dilemma in full-communism though, doesn't it? how do you allocate the "good jobs"? and don't those with the good jobs and especially those who allocate the good jobs end up being the de facto upper class? even without any monetary advantages?
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Samuel Crundlestone - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:53:33 EST ID:5cYI3dh5 No.157414 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157352

>Trump voter here.

lol having a wee bit of buyers' remorse? heh heh heh
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Fuck Blatherway - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 11:05:12 EST ID:mM9fZu54 No.157415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157413
Well first off, without any monetary advantages, what is a "good job"?
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David Dartfuck - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 11:54:08 EST ID:h92dmQQs No.157417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157415
jobs that are given high societal regard, vs menial ones that are dirty/dangerous/demanding, etc.

kinda vague i know but i think you know what im talking about. no one's gonna choose to be a shit shiveler over being a doctor or some shit.
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Fanny Modgestone - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:12:16 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157413
In a perfect society there would be a good schooling system that would weed out the top 10% science minded people and place them into careers, then maybe the next 20% for other kind of high skill jobs and the other 70% for other jobs. Of course if automation had gotten rid of all jobs, maybe a universal income that will account for all people that automation has replaced.
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Hamilton Cirryway - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:38:14 EST ID:E5xYjU/D No.157419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157418
How long before the robots rise up and destroy us?
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Fanny Modgestone - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:25:00 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157419
so you're making a joke comparing the very real prospect of losing tons of jobs to automation and sci fi robot overlords?
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Priscilla Sivingkire - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:27:31 EST ID:okcxXpDl No.157423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157391
The United States is a bit of an aberration in the entire narrative of "it cant work here". This is normally limited to authoritarian states with regards to democracy, farmers with regards to the free market and Japan.
Stealing successful policies from other countries is standard practice in most modern democracies. Generally politicians also market it like their very own epiphany.
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Nicholas Blythegold - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 02:23:33 EST ID:gumgB5Zj No.157432 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Sidney Sammleshaw - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 00:58:17 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Duterte loves Trump too.

http://www.rappler.com/nation/167068-duterte-praises-trump-calls-him-deep-thinker
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Hugh Serrypuck - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:49:17 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.157441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157440
>>157432

you know trump is in trouble when trumpettes try this hard to slide threads/forums.
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Phoebe Huttingwill - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 11:39:30 EST ID:knFhJQjN No.157442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157420

I honestly hope I see that happen in my life time. I want to see how the general public would respond, and how corporate beings would respond.

Methinks minimum wage jobs would explode as a PR stunt while the semi-coordinated manual labor (living wage) jobs would be taken by automatons.

Of course, in addition, we'd see an increase in robot maintenance jobs, an increase in IT jobs (programming, security, system management specialists), an increase in engineering jobs, and in increase in manufacturing jobs.

Of course, there will be a point where human manual labor and automation labor will be equivalent. A price that desperate humans will be willing to accept to work under harsh conditions. I for instance worked for a company with mexican manual laborers (they were almost exclusively mexican) that were willing to accept slightly above minimum wage in exchange for handling 400 F, 50 lb boxes filled with hot asphalt and stacking them all day. The place didn't have enough air exchanges to be considered safe to work in and so the workers would inhale asphalt fumes all day. In the summer, pretty close to now in this season, the workers will be subjected to temperatures upwards of 110-120 F due to the hot equipment in the plant.

It's a shitty fucking job, but they still come back because they have nowhere else to go. They'll ruin their backs, knees, lungs, and probably have a slew of other problems when they retire, and they'll do it all for minimum wage because the cost of their labor has to be kept that low in order for the businesses products to be profitable.

What I'm getting at is, there will always be manual labor. Those low paying jobs will be worked by the desperate.
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Ian Pipperkadge - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 17:05:00 EST ID:B7EBVJHu No.157454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>157442
>It's a shitty fucking job, but they still come back because they have nowhere else to go. They'll ruin their backs, knees, lungs, and probably have a slew of other problems when they retire, and they'll do it all for minimum wage because the cost of their labor has to be kept that low in order for the businesses products to be profitable.
If it's not already, in time the levelized cost of machines to do that job will be lower than minimum wage.
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Sidney Sammleshaw - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 18:03:52 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157441
Not sure how a 'trumpette' would look to improve his image by pointing out that a filippino warlord murderer likes him....
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Betsy Dillerhock - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 18:14:54 EST ID:MGe9R5O1 No.157456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157455
A lot of Trumpettes are also what I call Pepeistas. You know the type. "LOL! Mudkips! LOL! Shia LeBeouf is triggered! My memes!" They care about only destruction.
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Sidney Sammleshaw - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:23:48 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157456
Oh, well I was posting that about the Filippino guy as a kinda facetious way of calling Trump a fascist piece of shit.
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Sidney Wepperpone - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 20:44:50 EST ID:cbhMfSls No.157460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157456
Ah mudkips. Back when the memes were good, underground, and most importantly only used online on vague websites.
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Jenny Pickridge - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:43:09 EST ID:i2SzqmZt No.157461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump congratulates Erdogan on his newly installed dictatorship
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Ebenezer Dusslekon - Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:50:05 EST ID:knFhJQjN No.157465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157460

I was meming before it was cool.

Now I'm old.
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Isabella Poddletut - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 03:00:46 EST ID:65BmvGB/ No.157470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157343
is a filthy neoliberal
>>157352
Is a shameful stallion
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Sidney Wepperpone - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 05:09:35 EST ID:cbhMfSls No.157472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157470
What the fuck is a noeliberal?

You goddamn cocksucking American retard cunts can't just make up words to describe people you don't like, faggot.
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Sophie Sottingtidging - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 07:56:41 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.157477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157472

I get what he's talking about. It's fucking bizarre how war-horny a lot of Americans are, even the self-described "liberals": "Trump is an absolute scumbag but now that he's demonstrated our imperial might and pushed the world that much closer to nuclear war, he's not that bad actually!"

Makes you wonder if it was just Trump's ties to Russia that made him so unpopular and not the blatant nepotism, his criminal background, him being a complete scumbag billionaire or the fact that he's a drooling retard stumbling around on the world stage.
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Frederick Blimbleford - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:27:24 EST ID:BbZVAod5 No.157479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>157472
Why are you even here if you can't be fucked to google a word before flying off the handle and looking like an idiot?

Neoliberal isn't "a made up to describe people you don't like", it's the same thing as a neocon but on the other end (in terms of war hawkishness, etc etc).
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Sidney Wepperpone - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:48:28 EST ID:cbhMfSls No.157482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157477
>>157479
The fuck are you faggots crying about? Don't you know what a liberal is?

Liberals are the kind of people that want small gov so they can sell child porn to stock up on privately owned nuclear bombs.
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Clara Blorringwack - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:15:19 EST ID:Y69vUczd No.157492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157472
>>157470
lol yeah, this board has a serious problem with the term "neoliberal." we get this debate at least once a week.

hint: neoliberal is not to what liberal means in america what neoconservative means to conservative.

the closest thing we have to neoliberals in the US are libertarians or "fiscal conservatives". take a look at this faggot:

>>157479
>it's the same thing as a neocon but on the other end (in terms of war hawkishness, etc etc).
no dude, it really, really fucking isn't. i know as an american you suffer stunted intellectual growth and as a result find it difficult to comprehend something that isn't a one for one equivalency, but if that's what you actually believe then you are retarded.

the koch brothers, for instance, are neoliberals.
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Ian Hackleshaw - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:13:45 EST ID:1fIHantD No.157501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>157479

Absolutely not.

Then again, labels doesn't mean anything for most Americans anymore.
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Frederick Blimbleford - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:47:24 EST ID:BbZVAod5 No.157507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>157492
why you gotta be such a neoliberal tho
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Phineas Nickleridge - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:53:34 EST ID:B7EBVJHu No.157508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>157482
In America, liberals are the guys who want the government enforcing civil rights, providing education, food stamps, unemployment, medicare/medicaid, all to help the unions and corporations that fund their campaigns, whereas conservatives are the guys who want to defund all social programs, cut taxes for the rich, and invade countries to further American hegemony, all to help the corporations and ultra-rich people who fund their campaigns.

The term your referring to is right-libertarian or classical liberal.
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Simon Pockstock - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:13:36 EST ID:+5q0zMgm No.157511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>157508
>conservatives are the guys who want to invade countries to further American hegemony
Are you really implying that democrats don't want to do that?
That is literally the biggest and one of very few things that democrats and republicans consistently agree on.


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