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/RIG/- Russian Interference General by Martin Cabberfoot - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 22:08:57 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So I find it kind of odd that we have stories breaking about Russian interference in western democracies literally every day, but we almost never have threads about them. The story about the sale of uranium seems to be an exception just because for once it doesn't implicate the Republican party directly. This is a thread for the rest of the stories. If you come across one, post it here.

>How the Russians pretended to be Texans and Texans believed them


>Russian Troll Farm Ran Twitter Account Posting In Tennessee GOP’s Name

>Jeff Sessions shifts ground on Russia contacts under Senate questioning

>Trump Campaign Staffers Pushed Russian Propaganda Days Before the Election

>Facebook admits Russia agents used Messenger to disrupt U.S. presidential election

>Congress is spending millions on Russia investigations — but you'll probably never know exactly how much

These are only the articles I've read today that came out today, and I could keep going if I wanted to but I omitted articles that mostly repeated stuff from one of the articles I already linked.
Martin Cabberfoot - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 22:14:24 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In case it wasn't clear, I'm not saying every article posted ITT needs to implicate republicans (although I suspect most of them will). I should have said "This is a thread for the the rest of the stories about Russia's interference" because that wording was too vague.
Martin Cabberfoot - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:58:59 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mueller interviews cyber expert who claimed he was 'recruited to collude' with Russians: report

This one is very interesting because it involves our friend Peter Smith who was found dead just days after speaking to journalists about his role colluding with the Russians in the 2016 election. This is just one death out of a long string of people who are connected to this, most of them are Russians though. This would be the only American Putin has assassinated in relation to this as far as I know so something tells me this interview could be significant.
Martin Cabberfoot - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:02:47 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I should say that it's probably equally likely that this guy did actually kill himself because he couldn't live with having sold his country out to the Russians, but the possibility that the "suicide" was not really what it appeared remains high in my estimation. Putin has fully revived the Russian's assassination program and he's assassinated people in America before, even in Washington DC as recently as 2015 I think.
Fucking Fengerfutch - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:28:09 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good thread.

Here's my contribution.

>All of Trumps ties in 7 Charts

>Yes, GOP leaders were making a joke about Putin and Trump. But then it sunk in.

>Historian Timothy Snyder: “It’s pretty much inevitable” that Trump will try to stage a coup and overthrow democracy

>US intelligence chief: Russia interfering in French, German elections

>Infamous Dossier (Most of which have been accurrately shown to be reliable)

>Fact Set

>Russian Troll Army (Probably some on this board)
Esther Herrylock - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 05:59:51 EST ID:zIbYho+y No.162650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because it's not big enough interference to make any difference.
Esther Herrylock - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 06:01:38 EST ID:zIbYho+y No.162651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not to mention the evidence of US interference in Russian elections is overwhelming. Stop being a faggot shill
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:38:04 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Aleksandr Dugin’s Foundations of Geopolitics

> Russian-bought Black Lives Matter ad on Facebook targeted Baltimore and Ferguson http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/27/media/facebook-black-lives-matter-targeting/
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:38:44 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://youtu.be/GWlDJcKW1OY Video describing the event.
Hedda Fuddledock - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:00:54 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.162656 Report Quick Reply

The BLM ads were targeted to Republicans in the areas, as well as other "conservative groups" (white supremacists) as a way to spook the fuck out of them. It worked rather well.
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 13:14:21 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's important to note that Russian interference doesn't only apply to our election process but our overall civil stability. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pepe cult on /pol/ wasn't manufactured or at the least given wings to something already organic in our society. It's no surprise that the free press is being dismissed by a large percentage of our society as fake news or even dangerous. It's the first step in installing tyranny in a nation since most tyrants are voted democratically. You can't just install a Russian style government in the US overnight. It comes in waves and stages.

We are being attacked from the inside out.
Martin Surringlock - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:03:02 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.162658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Already the White House is claiming that any "general," is above reproach, even when they are caught blatantly lying.
Charles Hozzlesirk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:35:29 EST ID:fIPv1jYU No.162659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>memes aren't real
>ithis is the first time countries have fucked with each other politics
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:46:09 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Obviously it isn't the first time, but that doesn't stop it from being a real threat to our stability. Is the point that you are addressing that because we do the same thing therefore the problem isn't also real for us? What's the point of bringing that up? It also says nothing about just how effective one attack is over the other. They've been fucking with us for a while, but this time the problem has reached a point that it deserves attention.

Trying to make Russia less shitty to it's homosexual population and trying to make them a democracy isn't in the same realms of seriousness as a Russian autocracy sinking it's teeth into our way of government. Altering public perceptions in order to subjugate the populace. If nothings done about this, we can very well become another Russia. If you think the problems we have are bad now, just wait until everyones sitting in front of the TV having two minutes of hate on nationally syndicated propaganda. To a point where everyone's happily going against their own self interest.

Clearly memes aren't real. The concepts behind them has a very real effect on peoples behaviors. What a person believes alters their behavior. Memes are good at spreading bits of propaganda into small bit sized pieces. It's why people like Sargon are so effective. Leagues of impressionable youth that have no political sense whatsoever being bamboozled by such groups as Learn Liberty. To the point in which people actually think Putin is a good leader for his people and not the tyrant he is.
Lillian Packlepotch - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:00:07 EST ID:mM9fZu54 No.162663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>If you think the problems we have are bad now, just wait until everyones sitting in front of the TV having two minutes of hate on nationally syndicated propaganda. To a point where everyone's happily going against their own self interest.

Edward Sesslehood - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:00:23 EST ID:u35xloTz No.162664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Russian-bought Black Lives Matter ad on Facebook targeted Baltimore and Ferguson
Oh, great, you guys are bringing the anti-reform memes back. There's nothing to see here, don't mind the organized white supremacy, it's all just spooky Russians. As above, so below.

Good to see you show your true colors, though.
Frederick Sibberbanks - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:05:28 EST ID:tgg7ArJh No.162665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>just wait until everyones sitting in front of the TV having two minutes of hate
>Literally 100% of his posts are desperately trying to drum up nationalist hate against Eurasia
You're a cheeky little slimy cunt, aren't ya?
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:00:36 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sure, it's already happening now, but it'll get worse if we don't protect our democracy. We are already in effects living in an oligarchy, but we still have systems in place that safeguard our rights, but it's hanging on by a thread. Months ago, Bernie Sanders commented on how if we don't do something now and take back our democracy or we'll lose it and the rich and powerful will have carte blanche in all aspects of our lives.

It's still better to live here than Russia. I have optimism and hope that we'll take things back.
Eliza Suvingford - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:33:17 EST ID:+oySoSo2 No.162670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This was a very clumsy attempt to hijack Bernie's genuine popularity for the status-quo's endless vendettas against foreigners. Taking the economy back from American plutocrats and American corporations has nothing to do with sabre-rattling at Russia.
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:38:37 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162671 Ignore Report Quick Reply

They are both problems and they are working together. It's easier to keep your money and influence if you control the government and public perception.
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:47:34 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Another interesting connection worth looking into:

>Jill Stein looped into widening investigation of Russia and Trump Jr. connections
Sidney Fombleman - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:22:37 EST ID:+JMYZp4D No.162677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump won because RUSSIA
>throw the blacks under the bus idgaf
>random swipe at Bernie
>random swipe at Jill Stein
>did I mention RUSSIA
It's like you're reading directly from the Hillary Neolib Comeback Tour Handbook. The saddest part is that you probably really do think you're being clever and subtle about this.
Esther Nazzletet - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:32:56 EST ID:zK/apcKz No.162679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its Shills shilling shills at this point. Would you two just get a room and get it out of your systems?
Edward Sesslehood - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:36:05 EST ID:u35xloTz No.162682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Its Shills shilling shills at this point. Would you two just get a room
I'm pretty sure that was the whole point of this thread.

nb for greasy shill orgy
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:47:28 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Check out OP topic title.

Edward Sesslehood - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:00:33 EST ID:u35xloTz No.162689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>/NWG/ - Neoliberal Warmongering General

Phyllis Bimblenet - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 20:25:02 EST ID:MBoLWmcK No.162704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like it could be a chapter title straight outta Why I Lost. What's your point?
Phyllis Pockhood - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:29:20 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162721 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nothing new, but it bears repeating that someone claiming to work for Mike Flynn was in contact with the Russian hackers who claimed to have hacked Hillary's emails. Just days after he talked to the press about this, he was found dead in his hotel room.

>Russia’s free pass to undermine British democracy

>Facebook and Google are spending big money to lobby on Russia, sex trafficking and immigration

The only interesting take away from this one is that tech companies are lobbying hard against bills to create greater transparency on political advertisements that have been introduced because of Russia's ad buys during the election.
Edward Pickhood - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:46:15 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.162726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Funny when we've known for years now that Putin wants the whole of Europe to speak Russian. You cocksucking sissy American the future immigrants should talk so some people from the Baltic states about how it feels living next to a megalomanical genocidal nazi that will stop at nothing to create his own personal Tzardom.
Barnaby Duckshit - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:25:17 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.162732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>putin dindu nuffins!
>he a good boy!
ho boy.
Clara Summerhall - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:38:12 EST ID:X6i2zg79 No.162734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>You cocksucking sissy American
Nice try, yank. Only dumb Americans treat international relations like professional wrestling. Better luck next time.
Emma Tootspear - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:01:49 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why Is Bill Browder Banned from America?

The proof that Trump is under Putin's thumb is piling up. I can see no sane reason why Trump would do this unless he's taking marching orders from Putin.
Phoebe Gishman - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:47:52 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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One theory is that he isn't as rich as he claims and struck deals to prevent losing it all. The dossier keeps proving itself reliable, so Putin probably does have something on him.
Phineas Chattingdon - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 23:31:43 EST ID:+rypye+p No.162754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>/n/ has a 4chins "general" thread now
Eugene Dicklechut - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:15:18 EST ID:BK6nJXrT No.162762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i was mostly ignoring this thread but, just, all the fucking counter-shilling here.

i mean this isn't a "trump collusion" thread, it's a russian interference thread. the former is still very much disputed, but the latter is just a fact of life. most major countries run such operations anyway (the US included), why is it such a surprise that russia would fuck with US elections? the only question is to what extent and by what means, which i believe is the entire point of the thread.
Phoebe Gishman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:30:27 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>i mean this isn't a "trump collusion" thread, it's a russian interference thread.

Sure, but Trump is deeply a part of the allegations so he is on topic. You can't talk about Russian interference without also bringing up the allegations made against Trump and his administration. It becomes especially relevant if he is under the thumb of Putin and is working to destroy our democracy from the inside out. You can't have one story without the other.

I think that the dossier, written during the 2016 campaign, accurately "predicted" pretty much everything that would later be raised in the news. The point of contention is exactly why would the Russian government WANT Trump to win. Sure, there is no proof, and it isn't a fact of life, but the evidence is indeed mounting against him. And like I expressed above, you can't explore one without exploring the other, especially since he's the one in power right now. A president doing such a thing would be tremendous news.
Edward Bruffingserk - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:41:42 EST ID:1QRQ6Daj No.162765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah this board gets like 20-30 posts a day. Literally a decade away from being popular and fast enough to need a general thread on anything. Cancer
David Cackletire - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:33:07 EST ID:poHyk+ZN No.162766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>most major countries run such operations anyway (the US included)
Which begs the question of why there isn't 4skin-style "general" thread for the US, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc. If it's such an obvious given that all countries do this all the time, why this one country, why now, and why in such close cooperation with the warhawk establishment media?

But we know the answer to this. You say that is isn't a Trump collusion thread, and yet the primary contributor to and promoter of this thread immediately rebukes you and starts rambling about Trump and the 2016 election. Which suggests, respectfully, that you are wrong; despite your best intentions, the people who made this thread really did make it as a cheap partisan punching bag. As much as I would like to believe this isn't just a dumping ground for DNC and deep state talking points, it sure seems like that is the intent. O7R's response to this post makes that very clear.
Phoebe Gishman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:07:59 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My intents are to address the allegations being made by our president and the connections it may have with Russian interference. I didn't rebuke him as much as I politely commented that the two stories really are interconnected and shouldn't be considered irrelevant to the thread topic.

This has nothing to do with anything partisan. I have no loyalties to the DNC or the GOP. I was very much critical of Obama over the years, but he clearly wasn't nearly as dysfunctional as Trump. Please understand that being critical of Trump isn't the same as aligning myself with warhawks or the DNC or whatever deep state talking points are.

I couldn't be more anti-war. I haven't said a single thing about going to war with Russia nor have I suggested such a thing. The focus has been on Russian interference and the role that our president may have had in it.

You misunderstood why exactly I brought up the 2016 election. I brought it up to date the dossier and not bring up the actual campaign of Trump. Showing that the dossier reported on this before it became a part of public consciousness shows that it's source is probably reliable. The potential Trump collusion and Russian interference are invariably connected topics of discussion. And if you would notice, I have posted links showing suspicion that Putin has tried to install alt-right leads in France and Germany. I'm sorry if bringing this up makes me appear as a shill to you or a partisan and warlike hack, but it's an important story to address.

Nothing can be more newsworthy than the potential of having a foreign enemy seeking to topple our government. If that's partisanship, and warlike, I respectfully have no more words for you.
Phoebe Gishman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:08:52 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Which begs the question of why there isn't 4skin-style "general" thread for the US, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.

If you want to start a thread, please feel free to do it.
Cornelius Chittingkin - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:36:27 EST ID:6MHZ/reb No.162772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Nothing can be more newsworthy than the potential of having a foreign enemy seeking to topple our government.
Bullshit, there is always, at all times, the potential for foreign enemies seeking to topple any given government. The potential for someone trying something vague is not news. Especially when that something vague has been happening to every government in history ever since the invention of government.

Right now there is the potential that the DNC is seeking to kidnap and publically gangrape Trump, yet I would imagine that you would not find that potential to be inherently newsworthy or intellectually honest. Anyone can point to the inherent potential for anyone to do anything to therefore claim anything at any time as newsworthy using that excuse. That does not make it so, absent something more than a mere potential.

What you are doing is fearmongering.
Phoebe Gishman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:54:40 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The difference between your example and collusion is a matter of evidence. It's intellectually honest to take the allegations seriously. It's not in the same leagues as an allegation that Hillary is selling children sex slaves because that began with no evidence.

Russian involvement in our government is serious, especially at this level of it. What's worse is that it's being allowed and people believe it isn't happening.

You believe what you want and I'll do the same.
Hamilton Crarryforth - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:43:07 EST ID:J6R6yGt1 No.162779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>a matter of evidence
And what evidence do you have that Russia is using Trump, specifically, to "topple" the US government? Not the potential for such a desire, not the normal espionage/propaganda back and forth that countries have been doing to each other for decades. But actual existing, concrete evidence that Trump is a Russian Manchurian candidate selected to specifically "topple" the government.

What evidence do you have to back up that very specific, very extraordinary claim?
Hannah Nickledale - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:51:52 EST ID:DKqIXKMb No.162782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>why there isn't 4skin-style "general" thread for the US, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.
feel free to make them. hell, we've for sure discussed this topic before on all of these countries at some point. maybe not in a "general" thread, but it for sure has been brought up.

besides, that's a whataboutism fallacy. just because other countries too doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss one's without discussing all others. there's also the magnitude of russia's efforts (that's apparent) that makes it stand out.

>partisan punching bag
and? so what? this is /n/, there's inevitably going to be political discussion tied into the news. that's never been against the rules. just because you don't like trump being criticized doesn't make the discussion invalid.

>dumping ground for DNC and deep state talking points
lol, kinda ironic
>those talking about russian shilling are the REAL shills, for the DNC/deep state!

this whole topic is a very valid point of discussion. i see nothing wrong with it. again, feel free to talk about other country's interference in foreign countries democratic systems. lord knows we've done that plenty in the past, including the US.

it's pretty clear the only reason you don't like this thread is because it makes trump look bad.
Polly Peblingstat - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:54:48 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.162787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's only fearmongering if it isn't true.
Charlotte Derryridge - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:31:10 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Poland Pushes Back Against Putin’s Special War

>U.K. asks Facebook for information on Russia-linked Brexit ads

>Russia is pushing to control cyberspace. We should all be worried.

>GOP Leaders Refusing to Pay for Dana Rohrabacher’s Travel Over Russia Fears
Charlotte Fuckinglock - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:35:44 EST ID:h20WZdBR No.162797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russiagate: The Lie Implodes
>Having failed to make the case for “collusion” between Vladimir Putin and Trump, and with no evidence that Russians or any other foreigners tampered with U.S. voting machinery, the Russiagate inquisition shifted their attention to social media, and especially Facebook. Under intense pressure from Democrats in Congress, Facebook declared that it had discovered advertising purchases by people in Russia thought to have ties to the Kremlin.
>But, it turns out, the ads cost only about $100,000 over two years -- a budget unworthy of any state actor, even from the smallest and poorest of nations. It turns out, most of the ads are click-bait hustles , whose messages are designed to attract eyeballs and earn payouts, not shape the destiny of nations. It’s a hit-and-miss business. Twenty-five percent of the ads weren’t seen by anybody. More than half the ads were shown after the 2016 election, and couldn’t have changed anybody’s mind about who to support. Half the ads cost the buyer $3 or less. The supposedly “Russian” ads dealt with a wide spectrum of issues, from hobbies to politics to puppies. For those ads that discussed politics, the message was as likely to be left-leaning as right-leaning -- anything that might get clicks.
Ernest Billingshit - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:54:19 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.162806 Report Quick Reply

That's hardly a credible news site. It's a conspiracy rag as bad as breitbart or infowars.
Lillian Dammerfidge - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:58:22 EST ID:n8WZmtFV No.162807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It figures that the only 'sources' that support a narrative that suggests the trump/russia collusion was all made up comes from places comparable to tinfoil-hat conspiracy-tainment sites.
Ernest Billingshit - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 17:38:54 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.162808 Report Quick Reply

Does it hurt, being that retarded?
Charlotte Derryridge - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:12:27 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump Data Guru: I Tried to Team Up With Julian Assange

So this makes the third campaign official to confirm that they tried to reach out to wikileaks and/or Russia to obtain materials they believed the Russian government had hacked, not including Trump himself who also publicly asked Russia to hack Hillary's emails and release them. At this point we're at "we tried to collude but we failed so that makes it okay"

>Trump-Russia investigators gathering documents from estate of Republican operative, sources say
Shit Crazzlewat - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:46:15 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.162810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also shows how stupid his campaign is. Assange was a leaker, not a hacker. Going to him like that was pointless.
Priscilla Diggleman - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 20:36:02 EST ID:NVABe+Zf No.162811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Clinton dindu nuffin amirite?
Emma Darrygold - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:20:51 EST ID:u35xloTz No.162812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>as bad as breitbart or infowars.
What was their "turning the frogs gay" moment?
Edward Hevingson - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:07:27 EST ID:l01ZlxGk No.162816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>conspiracy rag
No it's not, it's an independent non-corporate site from a genuine left perspective. You just don't want to acknowledge any media perspective outside of the bipartisan corporate consensus as "credible". Treating official security state narratives with a bare minimum of skepticism does not constitute conspiracy theorizing. If you have an example of BAR promoting egregiously false conspiracy theories on the level of Inforwars then give it. But you won't, because you don't.

All of those figures come straight from Facebook themselves:

Are you going to call Facebook's corporate offices a conspiracy rag too, or do they meet the minimum net worth/market cap requirement for you to consider them "credible"?
Eliza Worthingdock - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:17:33 EST ID:n+LHOBY1 No.162821 Ignore Report Quick Reply

no one said or implied that anywhere. why are you pooping in your hand and throwing it at random threads?
Samuel Wibberman - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:42:51 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
PBS Frontline - The Putin Files: Vladimir Kara-Murza:

"Watch Russian opposition politician Vladimir Kara-Murza’s candid, full interview on Putin and allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election – part of FRONTLINE’s media transparency project for our investigation, “Putin’s Revenge.”"
Rebecca Creffingshit - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:57:37 EST ID:NVABe+Zf No.162823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Russian interference was not partisan and if Russia is NATO now I don't know who is jewing who
Nigel Hevingridge - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 00:19:02 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>APNewsBreak: Georgia election server wiped after suit filed

I'm too fucking tired and depressed at what's been going on with the shit show in Georgia to summarize right now, but suffice it to say, our elections are not even remotely secure and people in the government are trying very hard to make sure it stays that way. We have exit polls from states all over showing huge discrepancies between who people say they voted for and what the vote totals reflect, sometimes over 5 points, always to Trump's advantage. I don't think the Russians stopped at just hacking into voter rolls, I think they changed actual votes and the government won't tell us because they don't want to start a riot. I've been saying this since the beginning, but these guys trying to delete all the voting machine data to make sure it can't be checked for tampering just confirms it.
Nigel Hevingridge - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:48:28 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin

So in news that will surprise absolutely no one, Natalia Veselnitskaya was, in fact, working with the Russian government when she met with Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort. Not like it matters anyway since they were under the impression that the information they would be receiving was from the Russian government from the very beginning.

Meanwhile we have Republicans heading into "nothing to see here folks, move along" mode because midterms are coming up:
>GOP eyes end of Russia probes with Trump collusion unanswered
Edward Cidgecocke - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 20:58:08 EST ID:AVMlG+F9 No.162839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why is a Trump meeting with a Russian about "adoption" something suspicious? Don't those coastal elites meet to buy slavic sex object usual?
Martha Fankinmadging - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 23:01:30 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Exclusive: First charges filed in Mueller investigation

"The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said. It is unclear what the charges are."
Esther Fillershaw - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 23:05:59 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh boy, I wonder who it could be. Probably Manfort or Flynn.
Edward Pozzlewig - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:46:21 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.162844 Report Quick Reply

NEW YORK (AP) — A conservative website with strong ties to the Republican establishment triggered the investigation into Donald Trump’s past that ultimately produced the dossier that alleged a compromised relationship between the president and the Kremlin.

The Washington Free Beacon on Friday confirmed it originally retained the political research firm Fusion GPS to scour then-candidate Trump’s background for negative information, a common practice known as “opposition research” in politics. Leaders from the Free Beacon, which is funded largely by Republican billionaire Paul Singer, insisted none of the early material it collected appeared in the dossier released later in the year detailing explosive allegations, many uncorroborated, about Trump compiled by a former British spy.

“During the 2016 election cycle we retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple candidates in the Republican presidential primary, just as we retained other firms to assist in our research into Hillary Clinton,” wrote the site’s editor-in-chief, Matthew Continetti, and chairman Michael Goldfarb. They continued: “The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele.”

Earlier in the week, reports revealed that the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee continued funding Fusion’s work after the original GOP source lost interest.
Martin Tootfield - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 21:14:02 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
While we wait for the arrests, if anyone wants a good summary of what we know so far, I'd suggest taking a look at this:


It's long but it's a good refresher for all the important bits we've learned so far.
Charles Hullynone - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 21:46:12 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is golden information. Thank you.
Sidney Dingerridge - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:50:32 EST ID:+h6P/M6p No.162864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lillian Fumblechone - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 17:27:54 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
*Note: I am not familiar with this source so I'm taking this with a grain of salt

Looks like there was more than just the one Trump server communicating with Russia. Over 250 cryptically named Trump organization subdomains route to Russia and they use the same ISP and physical location as the wikileaks servers and the contact info for the host works for GazProm.


In case someone needs a reminder, here's the story about the first server communicating with Russia we found: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

I'm inclined to believe this server played a significant role because I watched the Russians try very hard to discredit the story when it came out a year ago.
Phyllis Ponnersidge - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:01:13 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>'Kill them all' -- Russian-linked Facebook accounts called for violence

Russians want to start a race war in the US.
Clara Bevingdock - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:18:17 EST ID:ZqKuReMA No.162958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
better shut down the thread OP, you could be next.

Phyllis Ponnersidge - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 19:44:22 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Facebook Now Says Russian Disinfo Reached 150 Million Americans

I'd like to see them try.
Sidney Pockville - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 20:52:46 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And we now have confirmation of what I've been saying for literally years at this point, the future was a primary platform for Russian propaganda (along with circlejerk).

>Extremist Content and Russian Disinformation Online: Working with Tech to Find Solutions
Cornelius Breshfatch - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 03:00:14 EST ID:1fIHantD No.162990 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This shit will be the final end of net anonymity, boys. It’s no longer about catching criminals, it’s about state and institutional safety.
Phyllis Shakewell - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 07:25:51 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.162994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No shit Russia was posting psyops on the future. I have seen dozens of posts about supposed German officials 'leaking' about immigrant crime that the government covers up, and they either never reply to my German posts or reply in really shitty Google Translate German. And they always use images from the first 10 Google Image search results.
Sidney Pockville - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 07:59:22 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Followup to this story from a more reputable source:

>Hackers Compromised the Trump Organization 4 Years Ago—and the Company Never Noticed

Everyone is calling Trump's IT team wildly incompetent for not noticing this earlier, but that's assuming they didn't know about this and even help facilitate it, which I have my doubts about.

Yeah fake stories about brown people raping white women and the government covering it up is practically their bread and butter. I shouldn't have used the past tense either because this is definitely still ongoing. It's a heck of a lot more than just that too. I check on this Russian twitter bot tracking tool provided by Clint Watts pretty regularly and the stories being pushed there are identical to the stories being pushed on the future.
Samuel Blubbleway - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 13:15:14 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163004 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nah we'll just get to a point where social media will evolve so only anointed individuals (celebrities, people with $$$ to pay for anointed status) will be allowed to post and talk, everyone else will only be allowed to listen. Snapchat is already heading in that direction as everything that trends is extremely heavily curated and altered/edited/censored.

Normal people were given a voice on the internet, and look what they did. So be it. Now the masters are going to take their voice away.

There will always be niche sites though (like here) that will provide anonymity for the people who are smart enough to know how to use them. It's probably for the better tbh. Who really gives a shit about social media users or what they think. They're lower than dirt on the internet and their opinions are completely worthless. I'm totally fine with removing their ability to stay anonymous and then ball gagging them. Doesn't affect me or most of us in here in the slightest.
Charlotte Hallylark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:10:59 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russian Government’s Fission Know-How Hard at Work in Europe

Reminder that Russia is pushing separatist movements all over the world. This is a good read for anyone unfamiliar with the scope of their operations.
Charlotte Hallylark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:59:31 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump and Sessions Denied Knowing About Russian Contacts. Records Suggest Otherwise.

I find this interesting because of this one little tidbit I hadn't heard before:
>Mr. Sessions vehemently opposed the idea, Mr. Gordon recalled. “And he said that no one should talk about it because it might leak,” he said.
So Sessions not only knew and perjured himself before congress twice, he also instructed other people to keep their mouths shut showing he knew that this information could prove damaging. If you need to prove intent for perjury, it's all there. And of course Trump also knowingly lied repeatedly about this but he wasn't under oath.

>Exclusive: Carter Page testifies he told Sessions about Russia trip

More evidence Sessions committed perjury.

>Russia hackers pursued Putin foes, not just US Democrats

If you had any doubt that Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear were acting on behalf of the Russian government, doubt no longer.

>U.S. Prosecutors Consider Charging Russian Officials in DNC Hacking Case

>Why is Trump so obsessed with Russia? We’re finally going to find out.

Nothing new here but I included it because it has a decent timeline.


I didn't really feel like there was anything that revealing in this article but I figure I should include a summary of the second day of hearings.

Charlotte Hallylark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:01:18 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Weird, I definitely didn't put empty lines in between the headline and links when I wrote my post. Oh well.
Charlotte Hallylark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:02:07 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh, it just ads them when I click to expand the post. Nevermind. 420chan has a lot of weird quirks.
Hannah Ficklepot - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 08:21:38 EST ID:GCAiqt/4 No.163051 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nah dude, common access like that ain't ever gonna go away. Too much money in it for the big IT companies.

What we're in for is far more stringent regulations for how this is done, and far less anonymity in general.

It's actually quite telling when we look at what the Russians have done the past years in their internet policies: Consolidated facebook-services under their own controlled platform, outlawing a large chunk of anonymity online and general sceptical attitude of Putin towards the net.

The Russian government has been doing cyber warfare like ITT for years, and they have been afraid the West would do the same to them, thus the authoritarian internet policies of the nation. That the West will begin to do similar stuff in the future is almost a certainty.
Fuck Chushwuck - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:04:38 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163053 Ignore Report Quick Reply

We will probably see more "penning in" of regular user content where it's spread and scope is going to be severely constricted to a small network area.

Or I bet you we may even begin to see throttles placed on how many "non-premium" posts you can make in a span of time. Want to make more posts on social media? Prepare to pay up for a premium account.

Social media is just going to evolve into a more computerized version of Entertainment Tonight ... they don't really care what the non-paying accounts have to say, they just want your eyeballs glued to the screen and look at the ads. Maybe every once in a while a token non-premium account will be promoted ("look how empowered social media makes people!") but we are never gonna see any more genuine grassroots movements come out of social media. Everything going forward is going to be heavily curated and censored.

These companies are coming to grips with the fact that they aren't technology companies, they are media companies. And they are gonna start acting more like media companies going forward.
Charlotte Hallylark - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:22:58 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Really the only thing I see changing the game is better AI. There will come a time when more posts on the internet are written by bots than by real humans and we won't be able to tell the difference between the two. They're already frighteningly human-like. Once it gets to that point I can see people thinking that we need to ban anonymous internet communication or even ban it outright if we can't find a way to ensure that only real people who are who they say they are can post. Hopefully some sort of functional internet ID will be the end result of all this but I can see it going other ways.
Fuck Chushwuck - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:54:56 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163060 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That's not what's gonna happen. We are going to get pay-to-post social networks soon. It's a win-win for the social network companies: making it pay-to-post immediately makes it unprofitable for the spammers to set up accounts and chases away 99% of them, and also the social network companies tap a brand new revenue stream.

Why waste all this time and effort trying to shoehorn some clever machine learning algorithm into being your internet police when instead you can just throw up a paywall and solve 99% of the problem? Eventually one of the big social network companies is gonna realize this.
Nigel Lightbanks - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:35:23 EST ID:1fIHantD No.163065 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Sounds clever on paper, but I have my doubts here. The very reason why so many sites and apps are free is because of the consumer actually being the product. Big data and analytics for adds and other services are what drives the internet economy. Pay-to-use may be profitable, but the pay-with-your-behavior approach is for now the ruling thumb. Unless policy makers throws a wrench into that machine I don't see how any other alternative is better market-wise.
Fuck Chushwuck - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:47:15 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163067 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It'll be free to read, just not free to post. They'll still gather just as much analytical data as they already do now, after all, they care more about what and who you look at and follow, they don't really care as much about what your dumb opinion is.

There are more than enough people out there who are so desperate to be internet famous that they'll pay any amount if they think that it'll give them a louder megaphone than everyone else.
Walter Cresslehitch - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 22:53:28 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Inside story: How Russians hacked the Democrats’ emails
Alice Fuckingwill - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 23:20:39 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this. every pay-per monetization model has failed in fantastic fashion so far. at most you'll get more services locked behind a subscription, or more freemium models. one of the reasons pay-per is fucking dead in the digital world is because of piracy. inevitably someones's just gonna pirate your prgram/app. inevitably someone is gonna mirror your message board or share passwords. this is why traditional porn sites and rental movies are dying. it's encroaching on video games too. that era is dead.
James Soshspear - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 08:53:35 EST ID:XEBBfZWc No.163096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>they don't really care as much about what your dumb opinion is
lol that is lterally what marketing companies are after you dunce.
Betsy Brundlechot - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:24:28 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Paradise Papers: Leaks Show Wilbur Ross Hid Ties to Putin Cronies

Another day another Trump administration official who lied about their ties to Russia. It's not like we didn't know about Wilbur Ross's Cypriot/Russian money laundering ties before though. I wonder how many times these assholes will be caught lying on their disclosure forms and/or to congress before some sort of consequences befall them. I guess since the Republicans are in power there aren't consequences for breaking the rules anymore.
Jack Publingbuck - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:28:29 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.163125 Report Quick Reply

After Flynn, he's probably next. Then Sessions. The noose is tightening.
William Dimmlehone - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:13:16 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>every pay-per monetization model has failed in fantastic fashion so far.

Or we get the shit they have in Portugal right now...

Betsy Brundlechot - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:15:21 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russia funded Facebook and Twitter investments through Kushner associate

It looks like we may be finding out the Reason behind one of Kushner's many omissions on his financial disclosure. Apparently one of the people who handled large investments in Twitter and Facebook on behalf of the Russian government also invested heavily in one of Kushner's startups. Not illegal per se, but it does look shady considering the Trump campaign's ties to Russia. Failing to disclose it just makes it look even more shady.

Both of these stories I've posted today are based off reporting done by the International consortium of Investigative Journalists who have come out with some very interesting stories about the paradise paper leaks and how they relate to the Trump administration and others.
Polly Hazzlesock - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:36:14 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
those are still subscriptions, not pay-per models.

an example of a pay-per model that still exists would be those $1 movie "rentals" that you can get on PS network/xbox live where you get to watch a movie for a few days or a week or something.
Barnaby Paddledit - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 10:44:07 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like Donnie Jr. promised a review of the Magnitsky act if they came into power when he met with the Russians and he asked directly for dirt on Hillary at the same time he was offering the review if they came into power.

>“Looking ahead, if we come to power, we can return to this issue and think what to do about it,’’ Trump Jr. said of the 2012 law, she recalled. “I understand our side may have messed up, but it’ll take a long time to get to the bottom of it,” he added, according to her.

>Veselnitskaya also said Trump Jr. requested financial documents showing that money that allegedly evaded U.S. taxes had gone to Clinton’s campaign. She didn’t have any and described the 20-minute meeting as a failure.

>Trump Jr. Hinted at Review of Anti-Russia Law, Moscow Lawyer Says
Samuel Hebblebury - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:03:48 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163176 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jesus fuck, these idiots can't even commit treason right...
Nigel Billingham - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:31:55 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And to think, this is merely the beginning. They usually save the really juicy charges for later. The investigation will strike deals which will lead to an ever greater circumstance.

It's not even a matter of asking who's involved. The more succinct question to ask is to ask who isn't involved who works with Trump. 5%? 10%? Who's the odd one's out? We will invariably find out.
Alice Danningstadging - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 21:55:20 EST ID:TfF4ZDes No.163181 Ignore Report Quick Reply

So instead we get overlord pence or a bunch of alt rightists and militias going full Isis?
Nigel Billingham - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 23:10:03 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Who knows if Pence is in the clear or not. Either way, we are in an awful situation. If they are all gonzos, we still have Trumps remnants of his alt-right insanity.
Molly Shittingworth - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:51:00 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163190 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The full 243 page transcript of Carter Page's testimony to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence was just published. This is the final nail in the collusion coffin. Carter Page is dumber than a sack of bricks he alternated between lying to congress and telling them highly incriminating things. Collusion is proven. The entire Trump National Security team is implicated including Sessions and Trump himself.


Here's reporter Seth Abramson's summary of the key revelations in the transcript that he live tweeted as he read it, put in a more palatable form:
Charlotte Sattingleck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:05:01 EST ID:S6leJ1Q0 No.163235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That transcript really is a hilarious read. Thanks for posting.
Reuben Clayhood - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 02:14:33 EST ID:+5q0zMgm No.163262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The saddest part about this whole thing, and the part that is very conveniently overlooked by American media, is the fact that our political system is so horrendously corrupt that we basically threw all of this shit right in Russia's lap.

I don't blame them at all for playing the hands they're dealt. We fuck them, they fuck us. It's the way the world works. And you're not gonna expect a dog who's thrown a big juicy steak to turn it down.

Not trying to downplay Trump's team's gross negligence and other shit, but our government has been undermining itself for so long that they've been asking for it.
Nathaniel Fuckingshit - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 15:38:06 EST ID:9JeARMnq No.163265 Ignore Report Quick Reply

damn. hope this has an effect.
Barnaby Mimmlelock - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:48:37 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks
Albert Grimlock - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:44:44 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not really Wikileaks itself, but someone within Wikileaks. Wouldn't surprise me if Wikileaks had been partially infiltrated by the FSB or whatever Russian gov organisation.
Fucking Billingwell - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:47:26 EST ID:zK/apcKz No.163356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, his name is Julian Assange.

Not that its shocking, US somehow not expecting someone they want to hang will suddnely start helping their rivals.
Barnaby Mimmlelock - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:22:40 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. Assange made a perfect target for the FSB to recruit. First off he's a narcissist and concerned about image, secondly, he's become an enemy to the US and allied world powers, and thirdly he was on the run from rape charges(I also suspect he was strapped for cash). He needed safe haven and surprise surprise, an intelligence agent picks the country with the second most powerful intelligence operation in the world to cooperate with most likely because they offered it. He gets to retain his image as an independent super spy with the protection of the Russians in exchange for a few favors.

The US fucked up by not putting a bullet in Assange's brain long ago. Who cares if everyone would have known it was us? We would say it wasn't but everyone would know it was and people would protest and yell and then they'd get tired of yelling and it would come up less often, and eventually no one would talk about it but once in a blue moon, but people would remember what sort of "accidents" befall traitors. Makes me wonder if he really has something valuable. If he has it, obviously the Russians have it at this point, so what's to lose? If the Russians have blackmail on you you just have to burn their blackmail and take whatever the fallout is.

Propaganda saying we assassinate our enemies doesn't work when we don't actually assassinate our enemies. Putin sure as shit does, he does it in our own backyard and people fucking know not to cross him. Our intelligence has been made a mockery of lately. They got complacent and stop evolving and let down their guard. This election is the first time I've been ashamed to be an American. We got played harder than we've ever been played before and no one is doing anything about it.
Jenny Sablinggold - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:04:02 EST ID:DCr/2ZNy No.163364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Aaand here we've come full circle back to what started this whole Russia thing in the first place: an attempt to smear the outlet that interfered with Hillary's coronation by exposing DNC corruption.

Just imply that wikileaks are dirty Russians and hopefully the next time they expose war crimes in Iraq or corporate media collusion to sabotage the populist left candidate, hopefully the plebs will be too paranoid and angry to believe them. And the war machine keeps turning.
Cornelius Sanderwig - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:08:09 EST ID:nZRoEBBb No.163365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>we don't actually assassinate our enemies
What a disgustingly shameful liar you are.
Priscilla Sirrybanks - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:14:36 EST ID:kqpOounY No.163366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>no one is doing anything about it.
A republican house and senate don't want to do anything about it because they know Russian interference helps them get people elected.

The Trump administration won't do anything about it, assuming, as you say, Assange is important to Russia, as Trump's administration are made up of Russian allies.

The people spoke last week though. More and more republicans are losing power. We (the people) are doing what we can. For better or worse, it's not much and it takes time...
Matilda Brunkindale - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:28:01 EST ID:bi5BlZnI No.163367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>First off he's a narcissist and concerned about image, secondly, he's become an enemy to the US and allied world powers, and thirdly he was on the run from rape charges(I also suspect he was strapped for cash).
Oh look it's Neoconservative Bush White House talking points straight outta 2010. Almost verbatim, too, how weird. Nice to see that neocon pro-war talking points have become a truly bipartisan issue now.

Behead those that threaten the defense industry's profits.
Clara Smallbury - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:38:04 EST ID:IwNbhQ1H No.163370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's almost like the people pushing cold war against Russia are the exact same people who pushed hot war against Iraq. Almost like this is less about "muh democracy" and more about making the big donors happy.
Albert Grimlock - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:43:31 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meanwhile in the Netherlands, a CDA (christian democrats; centrists) politician called Pieter Omtzigt that worked as spokesman from government to victims and spokesman from victims to government in regard to the MH17 disaster had to step down after newspapers found out he did a bad job screening speakers at information events and let some pro-Russian Ukranian goon "testify" about seeing Ukrainian planes during the time the MH17 was shot down by Russian anti-air missiles. Research showed that the pro-Russian goon wasn't even near East-Ukraine the day the Russians shot that plane down.
Cornelius Buzzridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:45:30 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Sessions again changes his account of what he knew about Trump campaign’s dealings with Russians

Sessions' full testimony:

He confirms that he talked about Sanctions with Kislyak in a private meeting in his office at the time he knew the Russian government was helping the campaign by releasing hacked material. Quid pro quo established. Sessions has been careful to say that he just forgot about certain details but I'm not sure it would save him from a government that was sufficiently motivated to hold him accountable for lying under oath. It remains to be seen whether our current congress is sufficiently motivated. I guess they're waiting for Mueller.

>Secret Finding: 60 Russian Payments "To Finance Election Campaign Of 2016”
Cornelius Buzzridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:49:54 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That video has fucked up synchronization between audio and video,
Here's a link to a youtube video of Session's testimony that isn't out of sync:
Cornelius Buzzridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 21:14:29 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Prague Declaration on seven urgent steps proposed by Western security experts
>“How the democratic West should stop Putin”

Finally someone with a plan.
Nicholas Pockspear - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:28:38 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lol i know right. finally we're getting some CHANGE here! Trump will surely DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!
Albert Shakespear - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:07:21 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Honestly the influence that Goldman Sachs has in Trump's administration and every other recent administration is a far bigger concern than the influence of any one foreign government, but of course the media chooses to sensationalize the latter while tacitly accepting the former.
Phineas Suvingwater - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:59:51 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the influence that Goldman Sachs has in Trump's administration is a far bigger concern than the influence of any one foreign government
Ebenezer Greengold - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 13:30:50 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's funny when people think Trump will drain the swamp, when he IS the swamp.
Reuben Brerrytork - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:07:22 EST ID:sVmXSNaq No.163407 Ignore Report Quick Reply
name a single foreign government with greater influence on the US administration than Goldman Sachs. not even Israel comes close.
Charlotte Nicklelock - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:14:31 EST ID:b+PgKlpT No.163408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't usually post on /n/, but I saw this post on the homepage and had to come give Reuben some love. Russia didn't rig the election with their facebook posts. The DNC did, and they admitted as much in the recent lawsuit against them.
Phineas Suvingwater - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:31:23 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So you just mean the sheer amount of influence? what has goldman sachs done with it?

>The DNC did, and they admitted as much in the recent lawsuit against them.
You have a hard time comprehending news stories, don't you? Or do you only read fake news posted on facebook by russians? I wonder...
Jack Breblingsturk - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:02:05 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.163411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did you just read a truncated headline somewhere and say, "Pfff, I FUCKING KNEW IT!" and then go back to masturbating?
Shitting Cremmlepudging - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:44:02 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Buying into the pro-russian anti-democrat republican propaganda
Jarvis Hommleville - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:26:52 EST ID:w9F+duBk No.163413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"the DNC didn't rig the primaries you guys, that's just Russian fake news"
>"you're either against the Russians or you're with the Republicans"
>going full pro-goldman sachs
>rah rah beat the war drum scary foreigners war with Eurasia
You guy(s) are playing your hand way too easy and early. You gotta be a little more subtle with your establishment talking points, ease us into it a little. You can't just go all in and immediately try to trick us into falling for the same lazy corporate Dem narrative that didn't work back in the election and sure as shit ain't gonna work now. Get that shillary warhawk shit ouuta here.
Charlotte Cranningtudging - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:31:19 EST ID:8XnvF8VN No.163415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>implying this Russian nonsense isn't a distraction from both american political parties being enemies of freedom

Laughable. The Democrats and Republicans would both love to yell "our political system works for you! Russia did it!". Meanwhile billionaires are behind closed doors mingling with all elected officials laughing at you.
Doris Decklechutch - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:03:17 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Get that shillary warhawk shit ouuta here.
>defaulting to hillary
>everybody who doesn't agree with your narrative is a clinton shill

I don't think I can speak for everybody but I'm personally well aware that the dems undermined bernies chances in the primary, none of the other folks mentioned at least appear to be suggesting that the dnc meddling during the primaries didn't happen. What we seem to be pointing out is that people who keep bringing up the readily-apparent dnc meddling are actively trying to minimize and deny russia's meddling with the rnc, basically trying to claim "Those political guys did bad things, but our political guys totally didn't, don't look over here, avert your gaze from the mounting evidence supporting the notion that the rnc benefited from collusion."
Martin Wickleshit - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:33:36 EST ID:wWOB2bFe No.163421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>if you don't buy into anti-russia 2 minute hate then you're with the republicans
fuck off, chimp
Lydia Tillingdale - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:51:23 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"Russia didn't meddle in the election you guys, that's just MSM fake news"
>"you're either with the Russians you're with the Democrats"
>going full pro-goldman sachs
>rah rah beat the war drum scary foreigners war with Arabs and Asia
You guy(s) are playing your hand way too easy and early. You gotta be a little more subtle with your establishment talking points, ease us into it a little. You can't just go all in and immediately try to trick us into falling for the same lazy corporate Repub narrative that didn't work back in the election and sure as shit ain't gonna work now. Get that trumpette warhawk shit ouuta here.

Laughable. The Chinese and Russians would both love to yell "our political system works for you! American government did it!". Meanwhile billionaires are behind closed doors mingling with all elected officials laughing at you.

>shills shilling shills shilling shills
Albert Grimway - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:54:46 EST ID:xLqDT//s No.163426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doesn't that actually back up the point being made? lol. How did you out Reuben a Reuben?
Ernest Honeystock - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 08:45:55 EST ID:p5j+nuYY No.163429 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jesus, this is really the best you Pentagon stenographers can do when confronted with your bullshit? Some grade school-level "I know you are but what am I" bullshit?

This is the level of simpleminded childishness that the war state depends on in their useful idiots.
Lydia Tillingdale - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 09:17:43 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Jesus, this is really the best you Kremlin stenographers can do when confronted with your bullshit? Some grade school-level "I know you are but what am I" bullshit?
>This is the level of simpleminded childishness that the war state depends on in their useful idiots.

Seriously though, how is this response not actually any better than yours? Criticize Mother Russia and you immediately jump in with "CLINTON SHILL!! SACHS SHILL!! PENTAGON STATE SHILL!!"

How are you any better than those blaming everything on Russia, again?
Nathaniel Blennersetch - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 09:28:40 EST ID:Z0JFKxiY No.163433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stop acting like a child and people will stop calling you out for acting like a child.

Lillian Pebberhitch - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:34:24 EST ID:y2gWuTdh No.163436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Pentagon stenographers
>shills shilling shills shilling shills
lol, way to prove his point.
Lydia Tillingdale - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:58:21 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no rebuttal? just ad-homs? i thought you guys ran a better program than that.

point stands though. you're literally doing the same thing you're accusing others of. double nb.
Ebenezer Durringbick - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:26:12 EST ID:hpgTd9j/ No.163439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>random yellowtext with no context or explanation given
>implying that merely acknowledging the existence of a Pentagon narrative is automatic grounds for dismissal
>offering nothing in response
>shills shilling shills shilling shills
Man, way to prove his point, chickenhawk.
Ian Habblehuck - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:43:19 EST ID:aLstSfjm No.163440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>literally copypastad posts, changing a few words around slightly in an attempt to be clever
>spends months hyperventilating at foreigners for doing the exact same shit the US has done for decades
>"you're literally doing the same thing you're accusing others of."
You just might be the most shameless hypocrite on this entire board, and that is really saying something. Seriously, you make the Trumptards seem principled an self-aware in comparison. Congrats on achieving the impossible.
Doris Decklechutch - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 18:12:48 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This whole thread summarized:


>conservative shills: NUH UH, LIES, MUH FOX NEWS.

>everybody else: Did you not even read the linked articles that connects the dots and articulately describes the guilt of the republican party including trump?


>everybody else: yeah we all know about clinton fucking over bernie in the primaries, that's not the thread topic, why are you still trying to divert attention from the evidence suggesting trump and his administration colluded with russia to trumps benefit?

>conservative shills: BUT CLINTON!

>everybody else: You're still deflecting from the point.

Doris Decklechutch - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 18:13:34 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163442 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Esther Grandham - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:13:49 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's best to ignore them. Don't take their bait.

Back in reality: Muellers investigation is just starting. It took about 2 years before everything fell into place detailing the massive corruption of Nixon. The fact that this is focusing on people so close to Trump during the campaign/administration this early on, shows just how much dirt will be revealed some time from now.

The Trump administration will be the most corrupt administration in US history. It'll make Nixon look like a saint.

I'll go out on a limb and say that the dossier has proven itself trustworthy. Virtually everything on it became revealed eventually. It's so accurate that you could probably set your watch to it.
Jenny Dugglelig - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:44:02 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Kushner got emails about WikiLeaks, Russia in 2016, lawmakers say

Looks like Jr wasn't the only one talking to wikileaks. Kushner held back the documents when congress requested them and he got caught when someone else turned in something that they knew was sent to him and that he should have also turned in but didn't. Kushner has to be done at the end of this. There's no way he survives all these repeated lies and omissions to congress and on disclosure forms without going to jail. This also proves he was in contact with one of the rumored sources for the Steele Dossier. (Both source D and E are alleged to be Sergei Millian) and he specifically withheld these documents even though congress requested them showing he knows they get him in deep doo doo.

>Mike Pence Faces Resignation Calls After Letter Found Proving He Covered Up Mike Flynn Scandal
Cedric Nuvingfuck - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:14:15 EST ID:DFlLNIpA No.163451 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You made a typing error there bro, you meant to type 2017 American politics summarized but you accidentally seem to have typed This whole thread summarized. No worries I can see how that could be an easy typo. I got what you meant.
Barnaby Billingstock - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:17:38 EST ID:Eql9Bxpy No.163458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>It's best to ignore them.
DNC policy and electoral strategy in a nutshell.
Phoebe Turveyforth - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:26:13 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't get it. Both democratic presidential candidates ran on platforms of helping workers (increasing wages, giving people access to education/training, etc.) and expanding healthcare. Neither referred to climate change as a "Chinese hoax" either...
Graham Blosslebury - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:17:33 EST ID:zjux8l9D No.163464 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yet both candidates have stocks and are in the pockets of big oil and do little to stop fracking and the violent suppression of native protest. All politics are for bourgeoise scum. What is it going to take for people to realize this? The Democrats aren't desirable saviors for working people as much as Republicans aren't lmfao.
Graham Dizzlewirk - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:25:43 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A Panama tower carries Trump's name and ties to organized crime

This is huge. We have someone admitting that the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower in Panama was basically a front for laundering money for criminals like drug cartel bosses and Russian mobsters. The building is empty and unused for anything other than parking illegally obtained cash.
Graham Dizzlewirk - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:42:06 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Special Counsel Mueller Issued Subpoena for Russia-Related Documents From Trump Campaign Officials
Graham Dizzlewirk - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:44:52 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's a link to the article that's not behind a paywall.
Esther Shittingwater - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:22:23 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Paywalls can be avoided by going into incognito mode. Just a heads up. Good articles.
Graham Dizzlewirk - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:59:07 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Kushner failed to disclose outreach from Putin ally to Trump campaign

Jesus Christ, Kusher caught in another series of lies.

First he failed to disclose emails with a Russian mafia Godfather who was trying to set up a meeting to pass along a message from Putin. (A meeting Trump Jr later attended). He also specifically told congress he had no knowledge of anyone in the campaign being in contact with wikileaks, but Jr. had sent him an email about his conversations with wikileaks. It's just over and over with this guy.
Jack Brookstock - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:53:47 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yep. But he will skate every single time because money always walks.

That said, if someone popped a cap in his skull and I was on the jury, I'd be up for acquittal.
Hamilton Piggleladging - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 06:33:54 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>because money always walks.

But he's a BILLION fucking dollars in debt for crying out loud!

I have to believe there are some Republicans who will do the right thing here and the slow wheels of justice are churning quietly in the background and that any day now there will be some consequences. Manafort already has an ankle bracelet. We knew about his shit from reports in the media for years now and yet it still took months from the start of the investigation for anything to happen, but when it did happen they showed they were serious.
Polly Clollyville - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 05:53:40 EST ID:4L6J0rNP No.163531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its both.
Russia pulled a USA move and used info and did info campaigns to sew dissent. The DNC and GOP are both corrupt as fuck so they hardly had to do anything.
Go ahead and impeach trump. Then we're left with someone equally as shitty, maybe worse.
The major lesson here is that we need to dismantle the DNC and the GOP for being so horrible that their actions left us wide open for outside influence.
William Billingridge - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:48:33 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Unfortunately the gop would never have it. Republicanism is a form of religion in America right next to Christianity and guns.
Jack Washtock - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:49:27 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Next to?
More like above.

Mark my words, Alabama will be OK electing a pedo since he is a GOP pedo and not a Dem pedo.
Edwin Pigglekun - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:27:14 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The DNC and GOP are both corrupt as fuck

They are both corrupt, but to imply the magnitude of corruption is the same would be naive, the GOP is worse by far. Remember that the Russians hacked both the Democrats and the Republicans but that only the Democrat's data was released and basically no big corruption was found. Whatever they found on the republican's servers could have easily been used to blackmail them into playing nice with Russia. They helped many congressional GOP races too, remember the DCCC was hacked in addition to the DNC and we have proof that some GOP congressional campaigns got help from the Russians, some of which involved asking for it which immediately exposes the campaign to Russian blackmail because if you ask the Russians for help and they record that ask and then give you help which you then use, all they have to do is threaten to release the proof that you asked for it. I'm sure they set up as many carrots and sticks as possible. They already had their dual citizen stooges donate heavily to the GOP and gave them election help in the form of hacking their opponents and giving that data to them and helping them with ads and online propaganda so we can see what the carrot is, the stick remains hidden for now, but I'm sure it exists.
Sidney Baddleshaw - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:52:39 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So in April 2016 we here in the Netherlands had a referendum about allowing Ukraine into some parts of the various EU trade agreements. That referendum ended in a "No".

Turns out that just before the referendum hit, various fake stories on Ukraine were unleashed on Dutch social media from Russia.

So the Russians have been doing this kind of shit way before the American elections.
Betsy Bemmermun - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:03:21 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On a related note, Russia is now the only nation in the world that doesn't have kiddie porn laws. Japan even has some now.

No wonder 4Chins loves Russia so much...
Fucking Gerringchot - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:56:50 EST ID:+5q0zMgm No.163548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So you're really gonna say that the DNC aren't nearly as corrupt, even though they took away your candidate and replaced him with a neocon loving Wall Street lobbyist?

Good mental gymnastics. Idk why you would have allegiance to them. They're just as shitty as the GOP, the GOP just uses more obvious tactics.
Lydia Crishstere - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:37:43 EST ID:lWlEy1EO No.163549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I miss the good ol' days when gullible idiots weren't so easily abused by foreign nations as propaganda tools.
Hedda Fanningpack - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:49:17 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>So you're really gonna say that the DNC aren't nearly as corrupt, even though they took away your candidate and replaced him with a neocon loving Wall Street lobbyist?

>your candidate

Listen, every time somebody tries to point out the new layers of foundational corruption that keep getting unearthed in the GOP, saying "but the dems are exactly as corrupt because of the Bernie sabotage" doesn't really hold up as fully equal when the dems didn't vote a Russian mob money laundering pawn as their president, the dems aren't trying to fuck up taxes further for the lower classes, the dems aren't trying to kill net neutrality, the dems aren't rife with pedophile enablers. And yet the list of Democrat dirty laundry always seems to start and end with shillary.

So I guess you have the freedom to view this as a black & white issue but when comparing corruption between the two unfortunate choices Americans have for their forced political binary, I see shades of grey, where the dems are far from spotless but the repubs are definitely way further in the darker end of the spectrum. because of this the repubs are always found chronically desperately and falsely virtue signaling to distract their constituents from their personal corruption.
Henry Nummlewig - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:39:57 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hey man, /n/ is for sharing "World News", not "Shitty Opinions".

My favorite is how the author claims this is all a "liberal witch hunt", then goes on to point out that US Congress passed a bill to force RT America to register as a ‘foreign agent’.

Yes. The liberal US Congress. Give me a break. A Russia interfering in other countries' democratic elections shouldn't be a partisan issue, but here we are.
Beatrice Dronderbanks - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:56:41 EST ID:hmIbmp5i No.163557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh wow, mods are actually deleting anything that opposes American foreign policy consensus, now?

Are you going to start deleting anti-Iraq war posts, too, Spunky? You gonna start running ads for Northrap Grumman and AIPAC while you're at it?
Polly Nanderway - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:05:17 EST ID:Rtfhndq0 No.163558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It begs the question of whether Russophobia has become the acceptable form of racism for a liberal class whose hypocrisy is only exceeded by its mendacity?
It absolutely has. People on this board treat Russians the same way stormfront treats Jews.

A Russian drug board recently went down for a few days and the users hung out here in the meantime; so of course people on here and /pol/ were freaking about about spies and infiltrators and body-snatchers and shit. Regardless of whether Putin is the Chaos God he's supposed to be or not, the hostile and paranoid way that centrists talk about Russians nowadays is honestly a little frightening and gross. It reminds me of how Republicans post-9/11 worked themselves up into a rabid Islamophobic frenzy.

Ethnic paranoia isn't cool no matter how many elections are at stake, you guys.
Polly Nanderway - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:08:08 EST ID:Rtfhndq0 No.163559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
...OK, nevermind, apparently CounterPunch is banned reading material on 420chan?

Has that always been the rule? Are there any other banned lefty publications we should be aware of? Nb
Henry Nummlewig - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:25:40 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It absolutely has. People on this board treat Russians the same way stormfront treats Jews.

I don't know what to tell you. People on this board don't want to ethnically cleanse Russians from the planet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>A Russian drug board recently went down for a few days and the users hung out here in the meantime; so of course people on here and /pol/ were freaking about about spies and infiltrators and body-snatchers and shit.

LOL, no. This didn't happen. These boards are so slow, you can just look at them and see this isn't the case.

Try dialing back the victim complex a little if you want to be taken seriously.
David Sollerwill - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:27:10 EST ID:7eOQMK+h No.163561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anyone heard about that 1hr phone talk?
Fucking Drecklefidge - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:32:25 EST ID:7ti2xIYK No.163562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>hey man, /n/ is for sharing "World News", not "Shitty Opinions".
Jesus, how entitled are you? You feel like you should be allowed to dump your foreign policy opinions all day every day but nobody else is allowed to offer a different one?

Fuck you, you don't get to unilaterally declare what is and isn't allowed to be discussed on the news board. Only an intellectual coward demands that mods delete articles that disagree with your opinion.
Henry Nummlewig - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:41:52 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't demand anything & I already pointed out how the guy's premise is wrong. It doesn't matter how many times you repost that link, it will always point to BS.
James Blendleman - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:48:01 EST ID:YY+Diuqx No.163564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>People on this board don't want to ethnically cleanse Russians from the planet.
You know that's literally the same defense that Richard Spencer et al. use, right? "We don't want to genocide the Jews or the Muslims, we just want to obsess over their every transgression and expose them as scheming plotting enemies of the West who are not to be trusted... but we aren't saying we want to kill them, so you can't get mad at us! Stop getting mad at us!"

There's a dedicated Islamophobia thread on this board that gets bumped every time a Muslim terror attack happens, in which the same handful of people post article after article justifying their obsessive distrust of all thing Muslim and blaming Muslims for every political distinction on the world. A constant, rolling two-minute hate against foreigners with a nakedly political bent. I fail to see how your xenophobic obsession is any less deplorable than theirs, simply because you're scared of Cyrillic rather than squiggles. Two sides to the same ethno-obsessive coin.
James Blendleman - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:51:55 EST ID:YY+Diuqx No.163565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>every political disruption in the world* nb
Cyril Bluffingdock - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:04:33 EST ID:NQp9zTYD No.163566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>My favorite is how the author claims this is all a "liberal witch hunt"
No he doesn't. That quoted phrase does not appear in the article at all. He does mention the "liberal political and media class" to say that they embraced the anti-Russia narrative, which they obviously have (along with the neocons and centrists). That's not really in dispute, liberal pols and media are perfectly happy to tell us how much they distrust Russia, so that's not untrue by any stretch. But what you said, specifically, does not appear in that article at all.

You are a liar.
James Greendock - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:21:24 EST ID:W3zouOFt No.163569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>you goddamn fucking mongoloid smegma eating chucklefuck.
Yes, this is the behavior of a mature, reasonable, thoughtful adult and definitely not exactly the sort of autistic screeching one would see on the future.

Also, I'm not sure that calling people "mongoloids" is the best way to show how not slavophobic you are.
Rebecca Sonderbune - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:23:35 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Anti Russia narrative
If Russia doesn't want to be seen as bad actors in a country, they shouldn't act badly. Reporting facts isn't a narrative.

I mean shit, the liberals, neocons AND centrists all agree with this? Who is left?
Emma Bemmlesture - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:34:48 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was here for that and almost everyone was friendly and chill regarding the russians from lolifox. People are able to separate the actions of a hostile government and intelligence operation from the actual citizens. We don't blame the average citizen for their government being criminal scum or we would end up hating almost the entire world.
Clara Giddlecocke - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:41:22 EST ID:axrJ097H No.163572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Most liberal pols, neocons, centrists and mainstream media all agreed on Iraq, too.

Can we assume that you were beating that drum, too, accusing anyone who expressed doubts of being terrorist sympathizers or Baathist shills?
Samuel Brookway - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:44:40 EST ID:9C6x3nwc No.163573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I was here for that and almost everyone was friendly and chill
>almost everyone
Yeah, meaning not everyone. Meaning some people were not chill. Those would probably be the ones he was talking about.


Rebecca Sonderbune - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:01:35 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know what to tell you. I don't ignore all the facts pointing to Russian interference. You're welcome to keep your head in the sand, though.
Samuel Brookway - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:09:15 EST ID:9C6x3nwc No.163575 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So that's a yes, then? You believe that, because liberal centrist and neocon pols/media broadly agreed that Iraq had WMDs and needed to be invaded, the mere existence of that bipartisan agreement was proof that Iraq had WMDs and needed to be invaded?

Or does this line of thinking only apply when you want it to apply?
Rebecca Sonderbune - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:09:05 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Putting words into people's mouths
Grow up.
Beatrice Tillingbury - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:20:49 EST ID:w40oFICD No.163577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Asking questions isn't putting words in people's mouths. It's actually doing the opposite, because it gives you the opportunity to deny that interpretation and to explain exactly how that line of thinking applies in one instance and not the other.

If you're too chickenshit to actually answer the question and explain your position, that's not other people putting words in your mouth. That's you being a pussy. And you don't get to whine when other people choose to interpret your deliberate silence however they choose to and speculate as to the meaning of that silence. You have every opportunity at any moment to give an answer.

So here's another shot: if bipartisan beltway consensus is proof that a given foreign policy narrative is correct, does that mean the post-9/11 narrative about Iraq was correct? If not then, then why would it now?
Henry Nummlewig - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:26:52 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>So that's a yes, then?
Yeah, that's putting words in people's mouths. The guy went full blown straw man by arguing about Iraq in a thread about Russia. If you want to talk about Iraq, make a thread about Iraq, because our positions on Iraq hold no bearing here. In case I need to draw a map: they're two different countries.

I know distractions, ad hominem and strawman are your only shot of saving face though. Whatever helps you sleep at night...
Sidney Druppermock - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:36:42 EST ID:uUP7Hqmw No.163579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>If you want to talk about Iraq, make a thread about Iraq
If you're going to pull that "politicians on both sides agree therefore it must be true" bullshit then people are going to bring up prominent, world-famous counterexamples of how that line of thinking has failed before. If not Iraq then bank deregulation, or NAFTA, or the Patriot Act, or mass incarceration, or the Drug War, or selling out to Saudi Arabia. There are a million and one examples where liberal pols and neocon pols agreeing on a thing did not automatically make that thing a good idea (unless youbthink those things were good ideas, which seems increasingly likely). People absolutely have the right to bring them up to challenge your way of thinking.

Demanding that other people aren't allowed to challenge your argument or bring up counterexamples is the most entitled shit in the world. And the longer you conspicuously go out of your way to avoid addressing them, the weaker your argument looks.
Cyril Sonkinshaw - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:39:50 EST ID:MYQHocdD No.163580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're still avoiding answering the question. Why should we trust liberals and necons telling us to be scared of foreigners when that has led us down so many bad paths before?

Are you allowed to answer that question?
Hedda Fanningpack - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:33:46 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why should we trust conservatives and money laundering pawns?

Nobody is telling anybody to be afraid of Russians you fear mongering propagandist, sensible minded Americans just want to get to the bottom of the obvious Russian collusion that helped put trump in office, that conservatives are desperately trying to hide, which brings up that old saying, if conservatives didn't collude then why are they trying so hard to obstruct justice? Why are they shitting their pants over the meuller investigation?
Beatrice Fittingshaw - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:36:54 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>It begs the question of whether Russophobia has become the acceptable form of racism for a liberal class
>"I'm not racist you goddamn fucking mongoloid"

I guess that answers that question.
Polly Fandock - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:50:19 EST ID:5p06LIn/ No.163594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
because no one is actually saying "trust liberals and necons"? frame your question in a way that isn't profoundly retarded and maybe you can get a clearer answer.

now answer this, then: why should we trust putin when he says he dindu nuffins? when there is both a clear motive and means for russia to interfere the way they're accused of? are we just supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt?
David Carringtune - Thu, 23 Nov 2017 03:02:19 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>are we just supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt?

That's exactly what republicans want; everybody else to completely accept people's words at face value, because a populous is easy to control if you can get them to not ask questions.

"He said he didn't collude, you can only ask the guy so many times."
Hannah Simmlechon - Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:46:28 EST ID:DFlLNIpA No.163673 Ignore Report Quick Reply

really? i thought the go-to line of republicans defending drumpf was "you gotta listen to what he MEANS not what he SAYS" and then scratch their heads in confusion when he does exactly what he said.
William Pockforth - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:20:14 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oleg Deripaska owns the house right next door to Kellyanne Conway, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Pay no mind to the fact that he has paid tens of milllions of dollars to Manafort for his work on a plan to "influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin’s government" and was offered "private briefings " about the election campaign from Manafort.

>The Russian billionaire next door: Putin ally is tied to one of D.C.’s swankiest mansions
William Pockforth - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:46:21 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A #TrumpRussia Confession in Plain Sight

So apparently one of Putin's top internet propagandists was talking openly about their work with Cambridge Analytica to influence the election for Trump just days after the election and no one noticed. He said their work started in 2012 and wasn't limited to the US. They also wanted to install leaders in other countries like France and create a big alliance with Russia between them all. Some of the things he talked about were mentioned far ahead of the media reports on them.

It also mentions that Flynn met with the head of Austria's far-right freedom party who offered to act as “a neutral and reliable intermediary and partner” between the incoming Trump administration and the Kremlin and touches on the connections between Russia and many of Europe's far right parties.
Jenny Nugglefoot - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:52:33 EST ID:UU94D2jQ No.163711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Must you keep obsessively bumping this every time you get a bug up your ass for how much you hate foreigners?

Muslims aren't responsible for your political leaders and civic society failing you. Stop blaming others for your culture's internal shortcomings.
Nigel Sicklecocke - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:03:19 EST ID:Qm76cndT No.163713 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Are you in the wrong thread?
Matilda Drugglenerk - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:52:02 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The ban I got for that post was deserved, yes. But you're still a fucking idiot for not understanding WHY I made that post.
Kremlin =/= Russia.
Putin =/= the Russian people.

Just like Trump =/= the USA.

Is that so hard to understand?
Cornelius Dunderdock - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:59:52 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163727 Report Quick Reply

I doubt anyone is specifically putting the blame on the Russian people. Almost everyone understands that the Kremlin and Putin specifically, are to blame for this.
Reuben Greenridge - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:02:10 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tell that to the brainwashed the future circlejerk Cripplechan drones that seem to think any kind of critical thought about what those cocksucking mafia fascist fucks in the Kremlin do means you're a reincarnated Teuton ready to crusade the Slavs.
Sidney Maddletore - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:21:53 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
except no one here is actually blaming the russian people/citizens in the first place (at least that I'm aware of, please point out cases where they are if there are any).

the "russian" in OP's title refers to the russian government, for instance. no one's trying to kill or even demonize ethnic russians, just shit all over putin and his kremlin ilk.
Graham Fockledod - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:37:23 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Follow the chain up of the guy you're responding to. Someone claimed this thread is to Russians what stormfront is to Jewish folks.

They derailed the thread for a while, and trolled this guy into a temp ban, so they got what they wanted.
Thomas Sandersutch - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:46:11 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.163731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>you're a reincarnated Teuton ready to crusade the Slavs.
Hey, no one said we should crusade anybody at this point.
But we didn't have Russians meddling in the democratic process of other nations back when the Teutonic Order was in power.
Hugh Ballerman - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:22:00 EST ID:m2XgdObO No.163732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Tell that to the brainwashed the future circlejerk Cripplechan drones that seem to think any kind of critical thought about what those cocksucking mafia fascist fucks in the Kremlin do means you're a reincarnated Teuton ready to crusade the Slavs. Methinks the lady doth protest way, way too much.

Like calm down, seriously. Don't turn this into a crusade.
Ernest Beblingchadge - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:33:13 EST ID:0xiRgDvi No.163738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>they have infiltrated our political system
>they have bought off our political figures
>they undermine our war efforts
>they undermine faith in the system
>they are to blame for our social and political unrest
>they are riling up the Negros
>they are scheming to destroy the West
>they are using our media to brainwash the masses
>they have spies and shills everywhere
>if you think I'm being paranoid then you're a shill
Ehh, it's a fair comparison. This thread reads like something straight outta the future /pol/, including the dog-whistle references to crusaders and Mongols.
Sidney Maddletore - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:35:59 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
still not seeing that post. mind pointing it out? all i see are accusations of hostility towards russian people, which seem to be there mostly to deflect the topic away from criticism of the russian government.
Walter Brunderpare - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:58:46 EST ID:GNRxlzSa No.163740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>gets a temp ban for ad hominems and autistic screeching
>"the Russian shills made me do it, it's not my fault!"
Lol. This thread has taken "not taking responsibility for one's failings" and elevated it into an artform.
Lydia Pittford - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:04:05 EST ID:Ub4JbYwm No.163741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Someone claimed this thread is to Russians what stormfront is to Jewish folks.
That's an accusation that this thread is akin to an anti-Jew thread on Stormfront. Not someone actually comparing Russians to Jews.

If you're so insistent that this thread is outright hostile to the people of Russia, it should be easy enough for you to copy paste those posts or just lin to them. Come on now, do it.

Otherwise this is just a deflectionary tactic being used to try and red-herring the thread and get people to go on the defensive about how they're not slavophobic or whatever, thereby diverting attention away from Russian GOVERNMENT interference in the democratic institutions of foreign nations.
Thomas Sandersutch - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:07:41 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.163742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No, it's really not, no one here thinks it's just random Russians doing this, it's the Russian government.
If you want to bring jews into this, we see your logic used when people try to conflate criticism of the Israeli government bombing population centers with antisemitism.
Spunky - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:08:46 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163743 Report Quick Reply

I, for one do wish for a Slavic purge. Mostly from the internet though. Slavs ruin games, sound like mumbling drunken retards and do nothing but post CP spam. BRING BACK THE IRON CURTAIN!
Shit Puggleman - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:35:57 EST ID:kI9BeD+p No.163744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>But we didn't have Russians meddling in the democratic process of other nations back when the Teutonic Order was in power.
Reuben Greenridge - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:52:35 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Err, I got the ban. Not the guy you're replying to. This website has poster ID's you know. If you care about the discussion and aren't some forumsliding outsider, you'd put some more care in your posts.
Hedda Blunningdure - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 09:00:56 EST ID:lk9OJRy2 No.163770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Dems didn't vote a Russian mob money launderer president
No, they voted for an unrepentant Wall Street lobbyist and friend of neo cons. Slightly less shitty.
Everyone knows they're both corrupt as fuck, but you're still sitting here saying "well the dnc is slightly less corrupt than the GOP." It's fucking ridiculous. They're both FUCKED, bought and paid for and not representing you. Why do you have a preference between them when either one will sell you out. Do you not have any principles besides liking the one that's slightly less shitty.
>GOP constantly virtue signaling to distract from their corruption
Yeah probably, but the irony in that statement is fucking extreme.
>I see shades of grey
>I'm fucking brainwashed to vote for a party that will sell me out every chance it gets.
Cedric Sarringman - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 09:24:03 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's what you get with a retarded 2 party system. but americans are too dumb and prideful to admit this.
>buh buubbuhbour founding fathers were so smart!
>saying our system sucks means they weren't so smart after all so dun say dats!
>murka wooo! USA USA!

until that's fixed it'll always be shit sandwich vs giant douche. not voting isn't gonna help. voting 3rd party could even be worse. so in that sense he isn't wrong in simply choosing the lesser of two evils for the time being.
Priscilla Settingfield - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 11:31:18 EST ID:68HoD7nq No.163774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Michael Flynn just sung like a bird:

>Plead guilty to lying to the FBI
>Promised full cooperation with Mueller's team
>Ready to testify against Trump
>Admitted that as a candidate, Trump directed him to make contact with the Russains
Polly Smallham - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 15:30:24 EST ID:cYqj28KQ No.163775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
since this is /n/:

i expected flynn to flip, but the bit about being directed by trump directed him to talk to the russians? WHOAH, NELLY!
Ernest Nicklebury - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 16:45:47 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is it guys. It's the beginning of the end. Flynn is at the center of everything. He will implicate everyone. The fact that Kushner was brought in to talk about Flynn right before this is a good indication that Kushner is next. They brought him in to get them to lie to them about things Flynn told them. Also, they gave Flynn a sweet deal because his proffer implicated someone they wanted just as much or worse than him and there's not a lot of people higher up on the food chain than the national security advisor. Odds are he gave them something that directly incriminates Trump himself. The news that Trump ordered Flynn's sanctions negotiations directly implicates Trump on conspiracy to violate the Logan act (if that's a thing anyway, I don't really know for sure). I'm sure by the end of this they're going to have better charges than that to throw at him. Probably witness tampering and obstruction of justice charges. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump said something to Flynn after he publicly offered to cooperate in exchange for immunity that got him to stay silent until now.
Hannah Crullykit - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 17:21:08 EST ID:GNRxlzSa No.163777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>This is it guys. It's the beginning of the end. Flynn is at the center of everything.
Cornelius Bunhood - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:19:41 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.163781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want to see the security camera footage from the prison when Jared gets raped for the first time.
Angus Fackledock - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:01:43 EST ID:DFlLNIpA No.163782 Ignore Report Quick Reply

i dont think that happens in white collar prison
Hedda Grimford - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:12:19 EST ID:1fIHantD No.163783 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Flynn got a plea bargain. Do you even understand what that means?

The only guys he could've fucked to save his own skin is Trump, Trumper and Trumpest.
Or in other words the top dogs of his trashy dynasty. Currently we have some weighty rumours that Kushner has been implicated by Flynn.

Where will this shit end? Only Santa knows :D
Hugh Denderbot - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 20:24:39 EST ID:h5H0ijAD No.163784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So ABC retracted their initial story and provided a clarification that the Trump-Flynn shit happened during the post-election transition, not during the campaign. What a colossal fuck-up by ABC.
Phineas Dummlewitch - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 20:27:27 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks, Santa!
Phineas Dummlewitch - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 20:35:55 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nicholas Wadgelodging - Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:11:15 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Operative Offered Trump Campaign ‘Kremlin Connection’ Using N.R.A. Ties
Lydia Purryhid - Sun, 03 Dec 2017 19:41:03 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.163815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Nell Mottingwater - Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:30:18 EST ID:FSs6WcRc No.163816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Merry Christmas!
Edwin Grandford - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:12:58 EST ID:oYIWxW++ No.163837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why Putin’s Foes Deplore U.S. Fixation on Election Meddling
> What most disturbs Mr. Putin’s critics about what they see as America’s Russia fever is that it reinforces a narrative put forth tirelessly by the state-controlled Russian news media. On television, in newspapers and on websites, Mr. Putin is portrayed as an ever-victorious master strategist who has led Russia — an economic, military and demographic weakling compared with the United States — from triumph to triumph on the world stage.
> “The Kremlin is of course very proud of this whole Russian interference story. It shows they are not just a group of old K.G.B. guys with no understanding of digital but an almighty force from a James Bond saga,” Mr. Volkov said in a telephone interview. “This image is very bad for us. Putin is not a master geopolitical genius.”
This thread plays right into Putin's hands.
Augustus Meffingpeg - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:24:29 EST ID:GL8VpZyZ No.163838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Careful, now, you're gonna get banned.
Fanny Pockshit - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:39:59 EST ID:u+r6dgMY No.163840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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inb4 nytimes.com gets added to the filter list ;)
Angus Hoddlenark - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:37:22 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163852 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Manafort worked on op-ed with Russian while out on bail, prosecutors say

Ebenezer Drarringbeck - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:38:52 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163854 Report Quick Reply


Article from non-"librul" site.
Edwin Droddlewut - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:21:17 EST ID:DSUvrKv+ No.163859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russia banned from 2018 Winter Olympics due to systemic cheating


>Russian authorities have never acknowledged any involvement in doping, and president Putin has suggested the allegations are an attempt to sow discontent in the build-up to March's presidential elections.
Emma Sublingshit - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:38:32 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>“The image of Putin’s Russia constructed by Western and, above all, American media outlets over the past 18 months shocks even the most anti-Putin reader in Russia,” Oleg V. Kashin, a journalist critical of the Kremlin, wrote last week in Republic, a Russian news site. He complained that the American media has consistently misconstrued the way Russia works, presenting marginal opportunists and self-interested businessmen with no real link to the Kremlin as state-controlled agents working on orders from Mr. Putin.
Sounds about right. Kind of like how every young Middle Eastern male is a terrorist or "enemy combatant" until we say otherwise or blow him up.
Nell Draggledock - Wed, 06 Dec 2017 06:27:01 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163915 Report Quick Reply

You've been trying pretty damn hard to derail the thread. A few threads here, actually. What exactly is your angle, friend-o? Do you not think charges of treason should be investigated?
Augustus Dangerford - Wed, 06 Dec 2017 06:30:37 EST ID:lWlEy1EO No.163916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe Russia wouldn't have this problem if Putin didn't just shrug and said "lol, wasn't me" whenever he's confronted with any aspect of the sleazy corrupt actions taking place in his country.
Samuel Cackleturk - Wed, 06 Dec 2017 12:29:23 EST ID:0OHS9Upg No.163931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jesus man, are you really going to ban and delete everyone who disagrees with you?

I saw that post and there was nothing banworthy about it. You are turning into exactly the parody of a censorious scumbag that the frogposters accused you of being.
Angus Grandworth - Fri, 08 Dec 2017 08:08:21 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Investigators probe European travel of Trump associates

>Whistleblower: Flynn told colleague Russia sanctions would be 'ripped up'

>Transcript of Erik Prince's Testimony Before the House Intelligence Committee

>Devin Nunes spoke to Erik Prince about House Intel testimony despite recusal from the Russia probe
When asked in his testimony if he discussed his upcoming testimony with anyone, he outright denied it which seems to be directly contradicted by the reporting in this article

These are a few older articles I'm including for context

>White House May Share Nuclear Power Technology With Saudi Arabia

>Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channel

>Saudis said set to build 16 nuclear reactors with Russian help

The outlines of the conspiracy are really starting to come together. It was all about killing sanctions so they could build nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia with the help of the Russians and make a ton of cash. Prince, Macfarlane and Flynn all stood to make quite a bit of cash from this.
Albert Hicklematch - Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:23:21 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.164028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How fucking new are you, you fucking the future immigrant? Learn how permabans work on 420chan.
Beatrice Cuddlespear - Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:44:06 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A Russian Hacker Confessed to Hacking the DNC During the Election Campaign

Russian hacker says FSB ordered him to hack the DNC. Now we have confessions from the Russians about both the hacking and the misinformation campaign they carried out in the 2016 election.
Rebecca Blythecocke - Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:20:16 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.164141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I predict that Trump will eat a live baby on the air to distract attention.
Rebecca Blythecocke - Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:23:24 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.164143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, his constituency will laud the move as a brave statement on mexican/muslim immigration policy.
Cornelius Blabblenire - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:58:23 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Exposed: Kremlin-Linked Slush Funds Funnelling Money To Syria's Chemical Weapons Financiers

This doesn't quite fit the thread's topic as it doesn't have to do with Russia meddling in foreign democracies per se, but it does pertain to that topic indirectly because it gives more background into the matters that spurred the creation of the magnitsky act which was one of the most significant motivators behind Russia's interference in the 2016 US elections so I'll include it here.

>Overflights, mapping fiber-optic networks, “strange activities.” Moscow’s West Coast spies were busy.
Fuck Sirryworth - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:34:41 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.164220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tread carefully with this story. It may be calculated. If this story ends up being debunked, people will use it as vindication against the Russia story.
Betsy Pittstone - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:02:46 EST ID:gZWVVsQl No.164221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tread carefully with this warning, it might be calculated. If what this warning is warning about turns out true den people will believe these things happen often yo lmao
Cornelius Borringpare - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 19:45:51 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Statement from Representative Adam Schiff:
>I’m increasingly worried Republicans will shut down the House Intelligence Committee investigation at the end of the month.

>Here’s why:

>Since March, our investigation has made important progress. We’ve interviewed numerous key witnesses behind closed doors, held public hearings, reviewed thousands of documents, identified new leads — all to understand and expose Russia's meddling and protect our democracy.

>Yet, Republicans have scheduled no witnesses after next Friday and none in 2017. We have dozens of outstanding witnesses on key aspects of our investigation that they refuse to contact and many document requests they continue to sit on.

>It appears Republicans want to conduct just enough interviews to give the impression of a serious investigation.

>Next week, they scheduled critical witness interviews out of state, when we are voting on the tax bill and vital government funding bills and no Members will be able to ask questions, in an effort to squeeze them in before end of year.

>These witnesses are willing to come to DC.

>Despite our repeated urging, Majority has declined to issue subpoenas in numerous avenues of the investigation, where there's simply no other way to get the information. Some refusals we’ve made public, like witnesses hiding behind nonexistent privileges, many others we haven’t.

>The responsibility to conduct a thorough investigation, or to prevent one, ultimately falls on @SpeakerRyan. I’m concerned he's heeding the calls of Bannon and @POTUS to “DO SOMETHING” by closing down the Russia investigation & opening up another investigation of Hilary Clinton.

>Beyond our investigation, here’s what has me really concerned: The attacks on Mueller, DOJ and FBI this week make it clear they plan to go after Mueller’s investigation.

>Aggressively and soon.

>By shutting down the congressional investigations when they continue to discover new and important evidence, the White House can exert tremendous pressure to end or curtail Mueller’s investigation or cast doubt on it. We cannot let that happen.


So Republicans are actively stonewalling this investigation. Why you ask? We don't know for sure. My guess is that it has to do with the RNC hack. People forget that the Russians didn't just hack the DNC and DCCC, they also hacked the RNC and yet they never released anything from the RNC hack and instead gave what they had hacked from the democrats to many republican campaigns. My guess is they uncovered some highly incriminating blackmail material and are using a carrot and stick approach. Oppose us and we release all the blackmail material, help us and we keep helping you get elected with our propaganda and hacking. Republicans are actively conspiring with the Russians. If you've been paying attention to the committee hearings you know Schiff isn't making this shit up, people like Erik Prince and Carter Page have outright refused to cooperate with the committee and they have the power to compell them to testify with subpoenas, but Republicans have made it quite clear they're not going to do that, even when they all know without a doubt that these witnesses are lying and withholding vital information.
Cornelius Borringpare - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 19:53:29 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Related article. We know that Kremlin linked Russians have pumped millions into the GOP already. Imagine what we don't know.

>How Putin's proxies helped funnel millions into GOP campaigns
Edwin Bongerhark - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 21:16:51 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.164243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The RNC "accidentally" left their data on an exposed cloud service and it was without question obtained by Russia. Because it's a 2 party system, all you need is a phone book (or search by town on Facebook) and 1 list of voters in your 2 party system to figure out were a majority of the population's political affiliation is and tailor misinformation that is not only palatable to them but tastes good each group. When everything is polarized that job is a lot less work than it sounds like. The point isn't to blackmail anyone, it's to sway opinion, sew discord and mislead.
There really wasn't any need to hack the DNC after they got the RNC voter records although judging by Hillary not being able to sign into the right account on outlook or even knowing how e-mail works makes me think the DNC didn't have the greatest security either.


One of the major pillars of non-conventional warfare is propaganda.
Ebenezer Boffingsack - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 03:36:44 EST ID:L5TUhxM7 No.164253 Ignore Report Quick Reply

can someone kick this motherfucker in the teeth already. It's bad enough he keeps bumping his thread when no one is paying attention to his awful sources
Cornelius Borringpare - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 08:54:45 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So what specifically in that report did you take issue with? The parts that are based on publicly available reports from the Federal Election Commission? Or was it the parts sourced from Bloomberg, ABC, The Washington Post, Forbes, Mother Jones, Quartz, The Center for Public Integrity, The Guardian, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, or the USA Today? Or did you take issue with the parts confirmed by the CIA? Or was it the Panama papers you take issue with? Just what exactly is it you don't like about the article? To me it seems extremely well sourced and credible.

Russia's attacks on democracy are the single most newsworthy series of events in my lifetime and I will continue to bump the thread when new information is uncovered.
Lydia Cusslehun - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:26:23 EST ID:1T3JbaPj No.164268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
if all he did was shitpost an unrelated link just to bump the thread then there'd be an issue, yeah, but that's not what he's doing. he's staying on topic and making relevant points (whether I agree with those points aside). also have no idea what makes dallas news an unacceptable news source. not a huge publication, sure, but if he posted FOX, CNN, or MSNBC, people would still be complaining.

so what are some okay news soruces, then? please, oh wise, bestow upon us your sacred list of acceptable news sources.

all in all sounds more like
>mods plz ban he is saying things i disagree with VERY OFTEN
Doris Dammleshit - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:23:41 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Senate Investigators Scrutinize Another Presidential Candidate: Jill Stein

There are also rumors and hints from people in the IC that there is a counterintelligence operation into MSNBC and FOX going on at the FBI related to help they gave spreading Russian propaganda. Just rumors at the moment, but I hope it's true, some of the stuff at Fox has been pretty blatant.
George Sottinghood - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:10:34 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.164383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This seems to me like she is a patsy here, she is going to be the Martha Stewart of this whole thing, a semi-popular woman who was no where near the forefront of whatever mess is going on here but takes the brunt of the punishment on the public stage to pacify the needs of the 24 hr news cycle while the people behind the scenes walk away. For our sake we better hope America is harder to take apart from the top down and pocket everyone's pension than Enron was. She better hope that we take treason as lightly as we do when people sabotage the economy so she can be out and hosting shows with a middle aged rapper by 2028.

Here is a pretty good piece comparing this to McCarthyism. They also say that the democrats are the main force behind these accusations and they are trying to clean the political landscape of anyone to the left of them. It makes sense, she protested DAPL and got arrested and the democrats looked bad in comparison, she even did that when one of theirs was in office. I didn't vote for Stein because she didn't have a clear plan and something was just off about her. I think LaRiva was the best choice but I didn't hear about that candidate until I got my ballot in the mail and googled them all. Mail are the way to go by the way, it takes a lot of the hassle out of the process, you can research your choices instead of being thrown off guard into a multiple choice test for a bunch of referendums and levies with numbers for names.

Jarvis Smallham - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:24:00 EST ID:u35xloTz No.164387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>They also say that the democrats are the main force behind these accusations and they are trying to clean the political landscape of anyone to the left of them.
They tried to rehash the old "it's the Green party's fault that we lost to a moron" trick from back in the Nader days, but nobody was buying that shit this time around so this is their next best bet, I guess.
Phineas Buzzhall - Sat, 23 Dec 2017 09:19:45 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Jim Clapper Just Nuked the Trump Presidency

Jim Clapper called Trump a Russian asset on live television a few days ago. Finally someone who matters is saying it openly.

>Mueller Is Looking Into a U.S. Foundation Backed by Russian Money

>Authoritarianism expert: Russia hacked Lindsey Graham’s personal emails so Trump may be blackmailing him

I guess I'm not the only one who has considered the blackmail potential the Russians may have discovered in the RNC hack.
Sidney Brookcocke - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 01:30:27 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russia meddling in Mexican election: White House aide McMaster
Albert Menkinlatch - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 03:17:11 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.164721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ay-yi-yi! Noticias falsas sobre mis amigos rusos! Es triste!
Beatrice Honeyhood - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 07:51:45 EST ID:D/XNaftA No.164722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>According to opinion polls, the frontrunner in the presidential contest is the leftist former mayor of Mexico City, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who is running on an anti-corruption platform.
That's what this is really about. Stopping the left and propping up neocolonialism. People like McMaster, the Trump administration and the ultranationalist chud that keeps necrobumping this thread desperately want to keep poor countries poor, and any threat to the current order by populist candidates is to be smeared as a Russian plot. It's the exact same playbook from the Cold War. If Obrador ends up winning anyway, expect him to be overthrown by mysterious far-right violent coup that will immediately be recognized and blessed by both parties in the American government.

How do we know that McMaster is full of shit and has ulterior motives? Because he has fuck all when it comes to details and refuses to give any when pressed:
>“You’ve seen, actually, initial signs of it in the Mexican presidential campaign already,” said McMaster, a former Army general. He did not elaborate in the clip on how Russia was seeking to influence the election.
>A request for comment sent to McMaster’s office at the White House and a request for comment from the Russian government in Moscow were not immediately returned on Sunday.
Barnaby Grandbanks - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:53:19 EST ID:u35xloTz No.164744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Lopez Obrador has been a fierce critic of Pena Nieto’s sweeping energy overhaul, which was favored by U.S. officials and oil companies.
Ah, yes, gotta put a stop to this. Can't let anything get in the way of our precious US oil companies and their profits. Better whip out that old Cold War narrative to justify keeping the beaners down.

Fuck off and die, you imperialist shitheel.
Phoebe Fepperchick - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:40:42 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Democratic report warns of Russian meddling in Europe, US

Not sure what's going on with the link name. It has nothing to do with the story.

Here's the report itself. It's long but I imagine very informative. I'll read it soon when I have the time.

The transcript for Fusion GPS's founder's testimony before congress was also released. The most important takeaways to me were that by the time they decided to take this to the FBI, they had already opened an investigation on the matter because they had a source from within the Trump campaign and that one of the sources in the Steele Dossier has already been killed as a result of it being published. Usually you would expect sources to be killed when they're leaking true information, not false information. The whole interview basically makes it seem like this was all very legitimate which is why I'm guessing Grassley didn't want to release it.

Caroline Fuckingstone - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:44:25 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.164765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not really that new, all European countries are setting up anti-Russian corruption probes and all, the Netherlands, Germany and the Baltic states at the forefront. The Baltic states because well, Putin wants to invade them badly, Germany because Putin has decided it wants to destroy the EU by flooding Germany with anti-muslim fake news, and the Netherlands because Putin is desperate to stop the MH17 investigation because the Russian government is basically a terrorist organisation now - and on top of that any investigation could reveal the identity of stateless mercenaries fighting in Ukraine who were actually ununiformed Russian soldiers proving that Russia invaded Ukraine - which would turn the civil war in Ukraine into an invasion by a foreign power allowing the EU and NATO to do much much much more for Ukraine.
Reuben Siddlecocke - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:21:44 EST ID:QsLi/uJm No.164769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Democrats still hate Russia, release report reminding us
Not exactly breaking news but ok
Isabella Shittingfoot - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:51:36 EST ID:aeq+kzpV No.164964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump

The Fusion GPS house testimony also dropped and he mentioned that they found that the Russians had been infiltrating the NRA for some time. Also says they found Trump had many connections to organized crime going back decades, first with the Italian mob, then the Russian mob.

Lydia Handerstine - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:36:07 EST ID:6ueykCqJ No.165000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Addressing a single leader's direct actions in our democratic discourse and process is the same as drumming up blind nationalistic hate against Eurasia.
Don't be that guy, anon. Nobody likes intellectual dishonesty.
Nicholas Fanworth - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:52:45 EST ID:BY8zveD3 No.165001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Also says they found Trump had many connections to organized crime going back decades, first with the Italian mob, then the Russian mob.

How is this not already widely accepted old-news? Oh wait... that's right. Trumpite republicans plugging their ears and denying reality.
Hugh Denderhere - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 20:56:43 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.165008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i mean i'd be pissed too if another country was fucking with my country's demcratic process...
Phineas Simmlechen - Sun, 21 Jan 2018 01:16:27 EST ID:eIq4RO4S No.165011 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Edward Climmlelock - Sun, 21 Jan 2018 08:58:00 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>How is this not already widely accepted old-news?
It is. This thread now is just necrobumps with either widely accepted old news or "Democrats still mad, news at 11" non-news.
Hugh Denderhere - Sun, 21 Jan 2018 13:13:48 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.165024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yep, agreed, with America's subpar democracy it's even easier to meddle in their affairs. with a low education populace, just spamming twitter can work. with the way campaign financing works, they can inject cash into one party or another through shells. America's democratic processes are such an obvious juicy target in that sense, so full of opportunities for manipulation. and none were wasted it would seem.
Shit Peblingham - Sun, 21 Jan 2018 13:39:28 EST ID:BY8zveD3 No.165025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It is.
Not enough apparently, morons still voted in the orange mongoloid. And he is yet to be impeached.
Graham Siffingforth - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:00:00 EST ID:lcWHt1js No.165084 Ignore Report Quick Reply

so like, it's not ok to spam twitter? because it will mess up the elections? u gud m8?

though im not ignoring the bit about injecting cash but what with the ruble's value having been literally cut in half at the time, I kind of doubt they would do that in any meaningful way, not in comparison with the corruption via american cash. In that case, america (really just the democratic party) shot itself in the foot (or the head) by endorsing hillary no matter how absolutely shit she was as a candidate. Sanders would have won hands down and this whole fuckery wouldn't even exist.

I mean think about it, it was the democratic party who originally pushed the hardest for a Russia probe right after losing, and after they were caught lying to everyone about not endorsing the fuck out of hillary and basically pushing Sanders out of the race. Why in the fuck would you or anyone believe them now? It's exactly because all of this is politically charged that no one should believe them, or at best, reaaaaally suspect the things they say.

Though I'm not saying trump was honest either. But I know that whatever happens, believing any of it is pointless because it's most likely that none of us will ever know the truth
Jack Wannerbot - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:11:10 EST ID:kwQHbRfQ No.165091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
russia has trumpgrets...
Reuben Dradgesteck - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:30:45 EST ID:fJLHx0F2 No.165092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I mean think about it, it was the democratic party who originally pushed the hardest for a Russia probe right after losing, and after they were caught lying to everyone about not endorsing the fuck out of hillary and basically pushing Sanders out of the race. Why in the fuck would you or anyone believe them now? It's exactly because all of this is politically charged that no one should believe them, or at best, reaaaaally suspect the things they say.
You are making way too much sense, citizen. We can't allow that here.

William Blackridge - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:38:02 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Russia connections were known way before Hillary lost. It misses the point to say the 'Russia Probe' rested entirely in the hands of the DNC. It implies it isn't it's own thing. Besides, that sounds like a genetic fallacy. We don't need to trust the DNC before we trust the ongoing and continually unfurling Russia story; Which exists in it's own sphere of investigation.

I've seen this argument by both the right and the left; They both miss the point entirely and can't see the forest for the trees. It amazes me just how incredulous Russia story deniers can be, especially in the face of mounting information. It blows my mind.
William Blackridge - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:44:21 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Having said this, yes, I do think the DNC is using the Russia story as a convenient canvas to hide their unethical behavior against Bernie. It's a nice opportunity for them; I agree with this, but the Russia story isn't contingent on the DNC's character.
George Blatherdock - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:57:24 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Members of Russia’s elite attended, and donated to, Trump's Inauguration event:

Hamilton Clallyfin - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 07:24:00 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So what's in it for them? Are they working for Putin's political dreams or just filling their own pockets?

The Russian elite always has like three or four agendas; themselves, their employer, Putin and the deep state/mafia.
Emma Brammerman - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 07:35:30 EST ID:DNgbXg00 No.165112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>yes, I do think the DNC is using the Russia story as a convenient canvas to hide their unethical behavior against Bernie.
>so I'm gonna help them by triple-posting in the convenient canvas Russia story thread
gee thanks
Hamilton Clallyfin - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 07:43:42 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>hurr durr every action i take must fall within my singular blind purpose agenda

/pol/ is dead, and so should you be.
Isabella Tillingcocke - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:08:01 EST ID:8nKOblHm No.165115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>people who don't like triple posting should die
What a characteristically mature and measured response.
George Blatherdock - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:07:00 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is your suggestion that we just drop the Russia story and ignore what the current administration is up to, because the DNC is using it for a political opportunity?

Besides, no reason we can't focus on both issues.
Cyril Shittinghall - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:29:17 EST ID:JpYyApsT No.165127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not just that. Choosing to focus such a disproportionate amount of time on this one issue is also a great way to avoid talking about other, more immediate and more preventable injustices. For example, the ongoing US-funded genocide in Yemen:
>In the approximately six months from July 3 through the end of December, the words “Yemen,” “Yemeni” or “Yemenis” were only uttered in 14 segments. In most of these segments, Yemen was mentioned just once in passing.
>In this same 181-day period in which MSNBC had no segments devoted specifically to Yemen, the terms “Russia,” “Russian” or “Russians” were mentioned in a staggering 693 broadcasts.
>This is to say, in the latter half of 2017, MSNBC aired 49.5 times more—or 4,950 percent more—segments that spoke of Russia than segments that spoke of Yemen.
Every minute spent talking about Russia is a minute that is deliberately not being spent on Yemen, or Medicare for All, or Democratic primary challengers, or Israel, or our hundreds of military bases, or police unaccountability, or the corporate takeover of the political system. Everyone of those things is infinitely more relevant to ordinary people and can actually have something be done about it. We as a country can easily stop propping up Israel or letting uninsured citizens die; nothing short of WWIII will stop Russia from existing and acting in its own interests. All we have to do is talk about these issues more.

But the people who keep constantly bumping this topic to the front of every page and news outlet don't want to talk about these issues. They don't care about poor people or foreigners or minorities, not really. They really, really don't want to talk about the right-wing billionaires and corporations who have bought nearly every politician in the country, not just Trump. They don't want to talk about their failure to represent the people who voted them into office. But they have to do something visible to oppose Trump, so they focus on the one thing that doesn't anger their donors.

And before someone accuses me of being a Russian, allow me to point out that this is the exact same thing that dictators like Putin do. Every minute spent blaming all the problems on the West is a minute spent not fixing Russian civil society; ditto for the Democrats who desperately want to maintain the status quo.

You have every reason to be suspicious.
George Blatherdock - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:43:26 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I take what you mean, but we can't ever hope to achieve Medicare for all if the GOP are still in power. The whole Russia thing is good leverage against them, and it could serve to put Democrats back in power in 2018. We have a far better chance for Medicare for all if Dems are in charge than if the GOP are in power. The focus, right now, in my view, is to regain some composure and control back in our governance, otherwise the rest of what you say can never be realistically achieved.

Bernie received 1 million viewers about Medicare for all stream, btw. Good stuff. The country wants Medicare for all, it's just a matter of playing our card correctly.

>And before someone accuses me of being a Russian

Why would anyone do this? You raise valid points. Those other things should be discussed, but we have more pressing matters at the moment. We have a highly corrupt administration and political party gripping our nation from achieving any sort of meaningful progress; if anything, we are regressing.

As for suspicious, I'd be more suspicious of those in political power distracting everyone with the doings of the DNC, which are objectively small potatoes to having a foreign governments oligarchy elites manipulating our nation.

What I am saying is that we are between a rock and a hard place. Everyone wants to talk about the important policy issues like the ones you mention, but the whole Russia thing gains precedence due to whos currently holding power. The GOP blames dems of a shut-down when they control the government.
Betsy Fanbanks - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:43:34 EST ID:vZkrC9bI No.165129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>And before someone accuses me of being a Russian, allow me to point out that this is the exact same thing that dictators like Putin do. Every minute spent blaming all the problems on the West is a minute spent not fixing Russian civil society; ditto for the Democrats who desperately want to maintain the status quo.
It is one of the most historically reliable tactics for propping up corrupt and failing political systems. No surprise there.
Eugene Bedgeleck - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:59:00 EST ID:WL6o3NO/ No.165130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The whole Russia thing is good leverage against them, and it could serve to put Democrats back in power in 2018.
No, it's not, and no, it won't.
George Blatherdock - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 14:14:53 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Immigration isn't being reported on in the media? I have my suspicions in this report.

Other than this, you may have a point, and I will consider it.

With that said, this is a board about World News, in a specific thread about the Russia story. If you want to discuss the other issues, like Yemen and Healthcare, you are free to do so in another thread. If your intimation that our having a thread talking about an important issue is somehow preventing silencing your voice in some way, I don't agree. Or that we don't also consider Healthcare an important issue, because we infrequently post about a specific topic from time to time, I would disagree with this as well. /pol/ is dead, so there is less opportunity to talk about it, and has been discussed there before.
Hamilton Billinghall - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:00:41 EST ID:WkA3Ydyq No.165132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, the existance of this thread does not preclude the existence of others. However, if you're going to keep bumping the one same thread to the top of the page over the course of several months with nothing-stories like "rich foreigners attended an inauguration" then you're naturally going to invite suspicion as to why. Don't force the conversation if you won't like where it will lead.

Imagine someone spent the better part of the last few years constantly bumping the same Benghazi thread to the top of the front page with every single link he can get his hands on regardless of how insubstantial, sliding more recent and relevent threads down the page. You really wouldn't have something to say about that after a while, really?

And yes, the astronomical disparity between what corporate Dem media keeps talking about vs. what voters want them to talk about has become a news item in itself. Hence the news articles about it. Is it, on its own, newsworthy enough to warrant its own thread? Maybe not. But it is completely legitimate to discuss news story about Russia coverage in a thread about news stories covering Russia. So if you're going to force the conversation...
Cornelius Cimmleludge - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:14:42 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.165133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People aren't as dumb as you give them credit for. If they don't like threads, they'll hide them. If they think one person is being counter productive, they'll ignore them. If they see a questionable point, they'll try to refute it.

If you have an issue with someone or how this board or thread is run, bring it to /420/. Otherwise, you're just posting off topic nonsense and ironically saying other people are the problem.
Fucking Lightham - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:26:10 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meta stories about Russian news coverage are not "off topic" in a thread about Russian news coverage. Just because you don't a particular story's take on a subject does not automatically make that story "off topic". Grow up.
Cornelius Cimmleludge - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 16:20:13 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.165140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You realize a 6 month old bar graph isn't "news", right? I have no issue with the take. I have issue with you bringing up a 6 month old take and trying to pass it off as being just as relevant today as it was back then. Did you think people wouldn't notice your arguments are based on old numbers and one article that predates the OP?

Feel free to resort to more insults instead of making salient points though... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fucking Lightham - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 16:28:22 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>a 6 month old bar graph
I was referring to the FAIR article about MSNBC coverage, which was written this month. Perhaps you didn't read that far back into the thread.

Also, "off topic" and "old" are not even close to the same thing. Are you intentionally moving goalposts or did you just forget your own argument?
Cornelius Cimmleludge - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 16:34:49 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.165142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh. I see the confusion. This thread is about the ongoing Russian investigation, not what airs on MSNBC.
Fucking Lightham - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:02:51 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>This thread is about the ongoing Russian investigation
There are plenty of articles posted by the OP himself that are only tangentially or not at all related to "the" investigation, including in the OP itself. The reaction of an American media network to said investigation into said Russian involvement in said American presidential election is more on topic than race wars and Polish foreign policy.

So clearly that's not what this is about. It's more likely that you just want to unilaterally control the direction of the conversation and are struggling to find a way to justify that desire.
George Blatherdock - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:52:27 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165144 Ignore Report Quick Reply

> nothing-stories

Intelligence agencies did not consider it a nothing-story, as you put it. Since you don't take the event as seriously as others might, you don't see it's value. The value that is being seeing here isn't that they were rich foreigners, but rich foreigners with specific ties to the Kremlin; They weren't Japanese rich foreigners, Nigerian rich foreigners, Mexican rich foreigners, or German rich foreigners. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you read the WP article. You get the point. I get that you don't see it's value, but many here do, and it's posted because we find it relevant and extremely important.

> Benghazi thread

I may have misremembered, but I think we might have had such a thread on this board. I don't think it lasted long because of it's association with 4chin style politics; That sort of thing is frowned on here.

>very single link he can get his hands on regardless of how insubstantial

I get your point but that sounds more like a judgement call on your part. We don't consider it insubstantial, but you do. As for sliding threads, I mean; that's how boards work. Bumping a general thread isn't nefarious from what I see. I have rarely posted articles here. But whenever I do, I always get angry responses telling me to stop participating in a thread I find interesting. The last time I posted ITT was over a month ago, and it's a pretty slow moving thread anyways.

>to discuss news story about Russia coverage in a thread about news stories covering Russia

Sure, but I take issue with others telling people to stop posting in a thread about Russia in a thread about Russia because it's seen as distracting or insubstantial. Or they have issue with other topics that are thought important in a thread topic not for those topics. Chiding us in not discussing other important issues without actually starting a thread to talk about them...

I also take issue with suggesting that those that care for the Russia story don't also care about the other extremely important topics. I took your comment to heart so I am deeply considering what you say; The issue of the Russia story possibly being overplayed in the media; I heard you out and I appreciated it, but if you want to talk about the other things, you are welcome to do so.
Cornelius Cimmleludge - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:35:21 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.165145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The direction of the "Russian investigation" conversation should steer towards the Russian investigation, and not what might or might not be covered on MSNBC's nightly news.

>clearly that's not what this is about
LOL. I've been clear. Play the conspiracy victim all you want, but like I said, if you have a problem with this thread, the board or its users, bitch about it on /420/.
Phoebe Brookhood - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 19:01:19 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The direction of the "Russian investigation" conversation should steer towards the Russian investigation
It is about the "Russia investigation". Specifically, an aspect of the "Russia investigation" that you personally don't want people to talk about.

>if you have a problem with this thread, the board or its users
Stop trying to hide behind others. I responded to a statement that you made, not anybody else. Take responsibility for your own damn statements or don't make them at all.
John Burrydock - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:16:16 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.165149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Specifically, an aspect of the "Russia investigation" that you personally don't want people to talk about.
You keep saying this like it's true. I personally don't care what people talk about, but the investigation has no control over what MSNBC covers it & the amount of coverage will have no effect on the investigation. Your points aren't even orthogonal to the topic at hand. Feel free to talk about MSNBC's coverage in an MSNBC coverage thread. You're obviously very passionate about it.

>Stop trying to hide behind others.
I'm not hiding behind anyone. I'm right here, but your personal beef with me is also out of scope of this thread, so, yeah, go bitch somewhere else.
William Honeyridge - Thu, 25 Jan 2018 11:31:35 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Scoop: FBI director threatened to resign amid Trump, Sessions pressure


Investigation moves up in ranks.
Sessions Is Questioned as Russia Inquiry Focuses on Obstruction
James Pivingbure - Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:38:39 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165164 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I doubt you laddies can read Dutch, but the Dutch intelligence service played a crucial role in the FBI investigations to Russian meddling into the elections ect. and warned the US gov about Russian government-supported hacking as it was on-going. How the fuck the Russians managed to succeed in their hacks despite warnings from the Dutch intelligence service... who knows. I guess the US gov just was sloppy or some shit.
Lillian Brandersone - Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:50:02 EST ID:Nyq/4TP3 No.165166 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Wesley Heddleford - Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:05:11 EST ID:1fIHantD No.165167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Often times, it seems like intelligence has little to do with size and more with focus.

For example the reason why Norway didn't join the coalition of the willing to fuck Iraq up was because of Norwegian intel showing that the Iraqis had no WMDs, ie Americans lied their faces off.
Basil Dazzleshaw - Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:47:52 EST ID:3eQjFySY No.165175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean, the FBI is so sloppy that two of it agents fucked everything up because they thought texting was a secure form of communication:
"Intelligence services" is an oxymoron.
Clara Bunhood - Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:41:19 EST ID:g+tq+Xxf No.165199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's another article in English. Or at least it showed up in English for me.


I bet no one is sharing intelligence with the Americans now that Putin's puppet is president.
Simon Humbleleg - Sat, 27 Jan 2018 18:06:54 EST ID:DNgbXg00 No.165200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why? Nobody cares that he's Netanyahu's puppet or King Salman's puppet. What does one more string matter to them?
Jarvis Worthingwell - Sun, 28 Jan 2018 07:23:31 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165207 Report Quick Reply

From what has been released none of the texts express any kind of serious conflict and the agents were assigned to different cases. I don't see the big deal here. Seems like Republican traitors and their owners are looking for anything to try and torpedo the investigation.

Also, that source you linked smells like tinfoil.
Jenny Ponningkack - Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:58:17 EST ID:2uHiyqBe No.165218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Also, that source you linked smells like tinfoil.
>says the guy who can't do basic arithmetic, thinks everyone who disagrees with him is a Kremlin spy, and still doesn't know how to use his mod tools correctly
Coming from Spunky, this is about the biggest endorsement an established news outlet can get.
Eliza Smallforth - Sun, 28 Jan 2018 23:33:26 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, /nuPol/ is official now.
Charles Buddlegold - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:47:06 EST ID:5uvSClQ6 No.165228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The one possible silver lining in all this is the hope that right-wingers finally learn not to blindly trust everything the spy agencies tell them:
>If our system works the way it ought to be working, a lot of these people are going to jail. These are felonies we’re talking about. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, recently renewed and given even more sweeping powers to spy on us, makes it a crime to present false evidence to the FISA court: under section 1809, FISA makes it a crime for anyone to either “engage in” electronic surveillance under “color of law” by presenting false evidence. Penalty: five years in jail and/or a $10,000 fine
William Berryshit - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:11:42 EST ID:uGs/ivR2 No.165230 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because simpletons who watched too much American pop culture during their formative years think US v Russia is literally the only thing that ever goes on in the world. Anything more complicated or nuanced than that is dismissed as lefty egghead shit.

What they don't seem to realize is that not everyone else in the world thinks in such simplistic Manichean terms, so they just assume that everyone else on earth is as wrapped up in their Clash of Civilizations fanfic as they are. It's literally beyond their capabilities to think that geopolitics is more complicated than that.
Phineas Paggleville - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 11:53:44 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump


Useful resource
Frederick Craddlekick - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:05:47 EST ID:Z+KYyjOK No.165248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There you are, O7. I was wondering why it was taking you so long to bump this thread back to the front.
Phineas Paggleville - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:11:43 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165249 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to belly-ache after posting ITT. There's a hide thread button. Unless of course you just like to belly-ache for literally no reason than knock yourself out.
Thomas Tillingstone - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:15:04 EST ID:SbHNX3lP No.165250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> So far, after months of “bombshells” that turn out to be duds, there is still no actual evidence for the claim that the Kremlin ordered interference in the American election. Meanwhile serious doubts have surfaced about the technical basis for the hacking claims. Independent observers have argued it is more likely that the emails were leaked from inside, not hacked from outside. On this front, the most persuasive case was made by a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, former employees of the U.S. intelligence agencies who distinguished themselves in 2003 by debunking Colin Powell’s claim that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, hours after Powell had presented his pseudo-evidence at the United Nations. (There are members of VIPS who dissent from the VIPS report’s conclusions, but their arguments are in turn contested by the authors of the report.) The VIPS findings received no attention in major media outlets, except Fox News—which from the center-left perspective is worse than no attention at all. Mainstream media have dismissed the VIPS report as a conspiracy theory (apparently the Russian hacking story does not count as one). The crucial issue here and elsewhere is the exclusion from public discussion of any critical perspectives on the orthodox narrative, even the perspectives of people with professional credentials and a solid track record.
Jack Billingfield - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:52:20 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165259 Report Quick Reply

That's a nice fantasy the dude wrote up, but multiple intelligence agencies in France, Britain, the US and a couple others have all confirmed what Russia did and is continuing to do. They tried to pull this shit in France and they got shut down.
Doris Haffingpuck - Mon, 29 Jan 2018 13:05:20 EST ID:g9f6VNZc No.165263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good reading for gullible morons who still blindly trust everything that intelligence agencies tell them:
>A changing-places moment brought about by Russia-gate is that liberals who are usually more skeptical of U.S. intelligence agencies, especially their evidence-free claims, now question the patriotism of Americans who insist that the intelligence community supply proof to support the dangerous claims about Russian ‘hacking” of Democratic emails especially when some veteran U.S. government experts say the data would be easily available if the Russians indeed were guilty.

>One of those experts is William Binney, a former high-level National Security Agency intelligence official who, after his 2001 retirement, blew the whistle on the extraordinary breadth of NSA surveillance programs. His outspoken criticism of the NSA during the George W. Bush administration made him the subject of FBI investigations that included a raid on his home in 2007.
Samuel Hemmlehall - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:16:14 EST ID:9yt7fcdP No.165293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Sean Hannity's twitter account goes down/gets deleted
>Imposter creates fake account for shits and giggles
>Fake account gets a bunch of followers, looks legit
>Julian Assange messages fake account saying he has "news" about Senator Mark Warner the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee (which is investigating Russia's interference in the US elections)
>keeps telling him he needs to go to "other channels" to tell him what it is.

So basically Julian Assange and Sean Hannity are regularly communicating via secret channels. John Schindler a former employee of the NSA has said that Hannity is under FBI counter intelligence investigation for coordinating with the Russians to spread Russian propaganda. Sounds like we stumbled upon a little piece of how that works.

>Julian Assange Offered Hannity Impersonator ‘News’ About Top Democrat
Isabella Shakefoot - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:15:27 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hahaha, that's gold... also the implications of this is very concerning...

That recent episode where Hannity says media is lying and that Trump didn't try to fire Mueller. Then 2 minutes later half-assed redacted the story only to quickly put up a video of a violent car crash as a distraction. Extra spicy.
William Brezzlechog - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 23:07:23 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165296 Report Quick Reply

Holy fuck. This is hilarious and fairly unsettling. It seems FOX is taking a page from RT to spread propaganda.
Oliver Pigglefuck - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 07:58:23 EST ID:ytjEkhuR No.165300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>FOX is taking a page from RT to spread propaganda.
Are you trying to imply that FOX hasn't already been spreading propaganda for decades?
Basil Danningpun - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 09:01:24 EST ID:mucTav4X No.165404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Team Trump Just Blew Its Cover

A nice summary of everything that happened recently to remove the last vestiges of Trump's cover as an asset working for Putin. New to me was reading that Natalya Veselnitskaya has been proven to be working for Russian intelligence due to Swiss court proceedings that revealed she attempted to recruit a Swiss federal investigator who was in charge of investigating Russian organized crime and financial malfeasance to be a mole for the Russians in that investigation. So basically Trump's son, son in law, and campaign manager met with a confirmed Russian spy to get damaging information on Hillary Clinton and then lied about it trying to say the meeting was all about adoption.
Sidney Hunderdock - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 11:56:45 EST ID:eNO2QElp No.165410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>To placate the right-wing firestorm created by Fox News, late yesterday afternoon, the HPSCI voted to release the classified Nunes memo to the public this week. The vote was along partisan lines (there are 13 Republicans and eight Democrats on the committee) and, in a telling move, the HPSCI voted to not release the minority’s rebuttal to the Nunes memo. Above all, there has been no move to release the underlying intelligence behind the memo, thus rendering it useless as a substantive document.
Republicans aren't even trying to pretend that they aren't running a propaganda machine anymore.
Nell Nammleford - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 12:15:05 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165411 Report Quick Reply

Hannity has also been talking with Julian Assange interestingly enough.

Priscilla Buggleture - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 20:19:37 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh good. Two insane assholes are talking to each other. This will end well....
Rebecca Somblechatch - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 22:01:13 EST ID:Nyq/4TP3 No.165450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lol so lemme get this straight. hannity's real twitter went down for unknown reasons (hacked?) and a bunch of fake ones popped up. one lady on the "about me" page wrote "Above not affiliated with" to avoid twitter deleting her spoof account. Apparently as long as you say you aren't affiliated with someone in the fine print you can imitate them. So Assange thought it was really him an alluded to some shady talks "on other channels."

So international intrigue is at the same level of like, AIM trolling?
Phyllis Dranderchadge - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 22:27:05 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.165453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Espionage is really just catfishing.
Phoebe Honeyham - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:23:04 EST ID:lB/Bzo69 No.165898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Grand jury indicts 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference
Eugene Chuffingdock - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:45:28 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.165908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
LOL Trump is saying this somehow exonerates his campain, repubs are saying it shows Russians were working against Trump. what... the fuck?

Thomas Ballystock - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:47:49 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165910 Report Quick Reply


WASHINGTON (AP) — Thirteen Russians, including a businessman close to Vladimir Putin were charged Friday in an elaborate plot to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election through social media propaganda, aimed in part at helping Republican Donald Trump and harming the prospects of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.

The federal indictment, brought by the office of special counsel Robert Mueller, represents the most direct allegation to date of illegal Russian meddling during the campaign that sent Trump to the White House. It also marks the first criminal charges against Russians believed to have secretly worked to influence the outcome.

>It's happening
Lydia Baffingfatch - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:10:05 EST ID:mUsAoMum No.165922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In any other period in history this would be grounds for embargo. However, should trump not respond this sets precedent for all future actions. Similar to east Germany, this this is more damaging than any overt action and undermines democracy as a whole. Racism and division preyed upon and utilized to dismantle a sovereign nation from the inside out has similar impacts as a traditional invasion.
Nell Honeyfuck - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:16:27 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>to dismantle a sovereign nation from the inside out has similar impacts as a traditional invasion
Getting a little hyperbolic there, buddy. A "traditional invasion" would normally be met with a direct military response. Are you implying that we should go to war with Russia?
Lydia Baffingfatch - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:22:22 EST ID:mUsAoMum No.165925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Rebecca Fedgekick - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:30:51 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165926 Report Quick Reply

Any reasonable person would see something like that as an attack on your country. It absolutely would warrant severe sanctions at the very least. Trade restrictions, barring international travel, seizing of assets, etc. and yes, a declaration of war if it came down to it.
Molly Dobblestadge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:16:41 EST ID:TnsXixTl No.165929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's already not responded. Congress passed a law requiring him to implement sanctions to punish Russia for their interference and he refused to implement them.
Basil Semblemire - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:41:41 EST ID:b2V5HPUp No.165932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Any reasonable person
Don't take this the wrong way, Spunky, but you're a paranoid drug-addled unintelligent American ultranationalist prone to bouts of rage and petty vindictiveness who has built a reputation on this site for impulsively overreacting to perceived slights and incomplete information.

You're not exactly the best person to dictate how a "reasonable person" would act. Certainly not when your "reasonable" response includes "intentionally start World War III".
Rebecca Fedgekick - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:42:35 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165937 Report Quick Reply

Some call me a "liberal leftist SJW". You call me a "ultranationalist". Which is it? I can't be both. Also it's pretty rich to assume my drug use, brohan. I'm high on life.
Lydia Baffingfatch - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:53:36 EST ID:mUsAoMum No.165938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have to wonder if the people simply fail to understand the gravity of this action by Russia or are simply the victims of it.
Rebecca Fedgekick - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:24:09 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165939 Report Quick Reply
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Jenny Hagglestone - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:04:55 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165950 Ignore Report Quick Reply

"The Full Text of Mueller's Indictment of 13 Russians
The special counsel indicted the Russian nationals and three Russian entities for allegedly interfering in the 2016 presidential election, the Department of Justice announced Friday."
Esther Worthingspear - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 14:01:27 EST ID:0OYuR0Gz No.165956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>the magnitude of russia's efforts (that's apparent) makes it stand out.
That's simply not true. Russia's efforts are nothing compared to Israeli meddling.

Trump didn't go to Russian lobbying organizations and publicly give massive speeches with promises of actions that undermine American strategic interest. (See AIPAC)
Hillary's biggest donors aren't Russian dual citizens. (See Chaim Saban and a bunch of others)
Obama's chief of staff didn't lose part of his hand while fighting against Chechens as a volunteer in the Russian army. (See Rahm Israel Emanuel)
90% of the American media is not run by Russian-Americans and rabid Russophiles who work to influence public opinion in favor of their ancestral home country.
When asked during the first GOP debate in the primaries what they would do for AMERICA, the candidates didn't unanimously declare that they would make sure that "there will be a strong Russia".
Texas state law does not require you to pledge not to boycott Russia in order to be eligible for disaster relief aid after hurricanes (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41688999)
Ian Smallhood - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:44:48 EST ID:XYHKKx9w No.165958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have to wonder if you simply fail to understand the gravity of starting a World Fucking War.
Phoebe Sovingson - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:14:15 EST ID:AVMlG+F9 No.165960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I simply fail to understand why a nation investigating interference into their own elections might result in a world fucking war
Hannah Pickletit - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:52:09 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whataboutism isn't an excuse.
Graham Shakedock - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:26:26 EST ID:gEhNx81P No.165980 Ignore Report Quick Reply

this. stop deflecting, you sound like a senile republican
Phoebe Dedgeridge - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:41:22 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.165983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>uh buhbbuh buh ISRAEL
nice deflection. but even then, you aknowledge Russia IS meddling. so now, back on topic. Russia meddling with US elections.

hell, even Trump himself has finally acknowledged this. (but it Obama's fault, of course. lol.)
Charles Pubberbury - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 13:26:41 EST ID:d4/LAMtW No.165985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bullshit. I''ve pointed out Republican corruption and their loyalty to a foreign power in my post. (and frankly, I would like to see about half the Republican leadership executed for treason).

That's a strawman. I'm not excusing the Trump administration or anyone else. I'm actually in favor of locking up a number of them, in part because they've been caught red-handed colluding with Israel:

If these Russian citizens really did try to influence the elections using fake American social media accounts, I also want to see them punished for it. Same goes for any and all Mexican citizens who did similar things while illegally residing in the country.
The government should also make it harder for agents of powers such as China and Saudi Arabia to propagandize within America's borders.

The matter is clear: Anyone who harps on and on about fucking Russian twitter bots in the face of massive and blatantly public Israeli interference and all-pervasive corruption obviously does not give a flying fuck about what is good for America. To you it's just partisan bullshit with the goal of de-legitimizing the Trump presidency.
Phoebe Dedgeridge - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 14:36:52 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.165986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no one is excusing israel here. but the thing is, this is the RUSSIAN interference general thread, not the Israeli interference general thread. feel free to create the latter, i doubt many would object. just make sure you open with news articles and sources (this isn't /pol/). in fact i'm kinda interested in more specifics if you have them, just not in this thread.

by the way, sorry to be fallacy man here, but your "Israeli interference is greater tho" argument runs afoul of the fallacy of relative privation. it is possible to give a flying fuck about what's good for America while harping on about fucking Russian Twitter bots. You are simply wrong on that count.
Fuck Trotway - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:33:38 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165987 Report Quick Reply

>Yeah the Russians are a little naughty but what about THE JEWS

Fuck all the way off.
Lydia Hacklefack - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 02:34:44 EST ID:mDGfCv9C No.165994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not the jews, Israel. He's talking about Israel and Zionists. A large number of the Jewish people speak against Zionism and Israel, just how muslims speak against Wahhabism and ISIS.
Alice Gubblenidge - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:28:15 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The difference between Israeli and Russian interference is obvious, you fucking retarded wankers.

Israel is an ALLY of the USA. A very very close ally. For fucks sake, the CIA and Mossad created STUXNET together.

Russia is NOT an ally of the USA
Eugene Duckhood - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:17:08 EST ID:vYIsQpwj No.165999 Ignore Report Quick Reply

More like your Overlord.
Phoebe Bardspear - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:39:06 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.166001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Goal posts are moving. Before, there was no evidence, now it's 100% accepted, but let's use Israel lobby as a red-herring for how our government and way of life is being attacked from the inside out by a non-ally.

It's a nice little strategy to detract from the seriousness of Russian government interference. We no longer can deny Russian interference so let's try to diminish the issue by bringing up AIPAC; This way we can steer the conversation elsewhere.
Fanny Futtingspear - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:09:44 EST ID:RlMgPyD0 No.166002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Israel is an ALLY of the USA
Can't tell if painfully, stupidly naive Kool-Aid drinker or just a knowingly committed pro-colonialist neocon shitstain.

Either way you're a fucking cancer.
Hugh Gullerkodge - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:12:59 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.166003 Report Quick Reply

"whataboutism" is a Russian deflection tactic. Call it out, continue the previous conversation and don't engage with the Ruskie lackeys.
David Sicklebury - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:35:40 EST ID:rSouovDV No.166004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So, if you're so eager to excuse the foreign manipulation of our political system by a murderously corrupt foreign power with imperial ambitions that regularly violates international law for no other reason than because our government and politicians have declared them our "ally"...

Then would you be so willing to accept it if our government as represented by our current president were to declare Russia our allies? If this is all just about whether or not they get the empire's stamp of approval, then why hasn't our president's stamp of approval for Russia quelled your boiling rage? Would your bloodlust be sated if they were given the entirely arbitrary designation of "ally" or is there something about Asiatics that's causing you to treat their interference in our system with such inconsistency?
Frederick Nishtod - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:39:11 EST ID:C5FcN2ai No.166005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
take it to another thread you fucking retard.
Lillian Tillingdock - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:41:44 EST ID:oq1g2LP6 No.166006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How about you fuck off, he made a good point.

>but mah Russian interference general REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Then why don't you post something relevant to the general instead of getting your panties all in a bunch about someone pointing out the hypocrisy of giving Israel a free pass. If you guys spent half the time you spend accusing people of being russian shills actually discussing the russian interference, maybe this thread would actually take a better direction.
Matilda Fudgedock - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:59:06 EST ID:dNOB4DRZ No.166007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Literally arguing against keeping the thread on topic
>Even more whataboutism
This really has become /pol/
Clara Blatherwell - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 18:01:48 EST ID:x+vCo+Ob No.166008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
my thoughts exactly. straight up fucking retarded that anyone would argue FOR forum sliding. you'd have to be used 4/pol/ to be okay with that kind of logic.
Lillian Tillingdock - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 18:21:11 EST ID:oq1g2LP6 No.166009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wow, and here I thought I was arguing for keeping the thread on topic instead of accusing anyone who goes off on a tangent of being a shill or a 4/pol/ user.
Emma Piblingmid - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 18:37:11 EST ID:u35xloTz No.166010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, considering that some of the most vocal contributors to this thread have gone on record as enthusiastically supporting the idea of going to fucking war over this and are going on paranoid little mini-crusades against the spies hiding under their bed, it is absolutely relevant to get to the bottom of exactly what is motivating such viciously obsessive vitriol to such a unique and insane degree.

You guys insist that you haven't simply fallen for the DNC/Clinton/neolib/media narrative to excuse '16 and avoid discussing other issues: fine. Maybe so. But in that case, that really really begs the question of just what is fueling this insane jingoistic obsession with you people. You want to go to fucking war over this. People are gonna fucking have a problem with that and start getting suspicious. You'd have to be an insane jingoist shut-in not to understand that. So if people want to ask why this one country, out of all the other countries on earth, elicits such a disproportionate reaction from you when provable ongoing instances from other countries get no so much as a fucking peep let alone braying for sanctions and war... well no fucking kidding, bro. How fucking disconnected do you have to be to not see that coming?

If you're going to keep artificially bumping an old thread with hundreds to posts just to get further off the rails to Iraq-war style paranoid lunacy, then other people have the right to question your motivations. Chill out and grow up.
Alice Turveyson - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:47:26 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.166012 Report Quick Reply

Russia enacted a coup de' tat against the US. If it were any other country and if it had any other president, it would have been seen as an act of war. Plain and simple.
Thomas Shakedock - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:51:57 EST ID:u35xloTz No.166013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russia enacted a coup de' tat against the US.
>a coup de' tat
If you were going to resort to just blatantly lying about what words mean then why did you even bother trying to justify it?

Are you really trying to convince us that you want to start a war because you, personally, don't know words? Do you really think that makes your position seem more credible?
Martin Fudgesit - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:53:04 EST ID:/TUGOrmm No.166014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One country is our long time ally while another has been our adversary for over 50 years and is now headlines for it's most recent actions coming to light. Any reasonable person would understand that Russian meddling in this capacity is a threat that needs to be treated seriously, any one arguing against common reason, labeling it as braying, must be looked at with a certain suspect as to what their actual motives are. Your offer of no stance IS your stance.
Thomas Shakedock - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:55:31 EST ID:u35xloTz No.166015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>One country is our long time ally while another has been our adversary for over 50 years and is now headlines for it's most recent actions coming to light.
So you want to escalate to war because of tradition and the media.
Martin Fudgesit - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:04:52 EST ID:/TUGOrmm No.166016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doing nothing escalates war. Again, your non-stance clearly illuminates your real stance.
Polly Chimmerstitch - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:32:47 EST ID:NVABe+Zf No.166018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Russia did the same JIDF league which was of course laffed off when jooz do it, Russia do it and errbody loses their mind. Either both or neither are tinfoil.
Martin Fudgesit - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:48:48 EST ID:/TUGOrmm No.166019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Go back
Alice Turveyson - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:07:11 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.166020 Report Quick Reply

>Clayton Thyne and Jonathan Powell's dataset of coups defines attempted coups as "illegal and overt attempts by the military or other elites within the state apparatus to unseat the sitting executive."

Going by this Trump, an economic elite, has illegally captured through collusion and conspiracy with an enemy state for personal gain, control of the US government and military. He is continuing to weaken and divide the US socially and economically and if he starts a war with North Korea, militarily. Trump is an agent of the USSR which has successfully enacted a coup.
Phineas Pobbletit - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:29:34 EST ID:1noVNeYG No.166021 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Interesting article. Makes me wonder how much this sort of stuff costs, and if it is a significant cost, who's bankrolling it? Is it just the Russian government?
Thomas Shakedock - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:52:12 EST ID:u35xloTz No.166022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Doing nothing escalates war.
Go to bed, Dick, you're drunk.
Ebenezer Gidgedock - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:31:05 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.166023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My opinion on the relationship between the USA and Israel is irrelevant, and not mentioned in said post. Israel is an ally of the USA, and that is a fact.
Samuel Bobberstet - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:57:07 EST ID:+Abk4iKM No.166024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are allies allowed to interfere with each other's elections?
Fuck Peddlestuck - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 23:22:22 EST ID:aquyULvl No.166025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not responding to a destabilizing action by a foreign adversary does make the world more chaotic and increases the risks of military engagement.

The simple fact is this. If we do not take measures to eliminate Russian meddling in our political process, war will be all but inevitable.

Your attempts to subvert the narrative highlight your underlying radical beliefs that undermining american democracy is a necessary measure for accomplishing your goals, whatever those are.
Thomas Shakedock - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 23:41:46 EST ID:u35xloTz No.166026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Your attempts to subvert the narrative highlight your underlying radical beliefs that undermining american democracy is a necessary measure for accomplishing your goals, whatever those are.
Yeah, might as well go ahead and mix some Bush-style reductive "with us or against us" false dilemma shit along with that good ol' fashioned McCarthyism. Just get all that shit out there.

I mean why not, at this point? Whatever it takes to foster more conflict, right?
Alice Turveyson - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 00:04:09 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.166027 Report Quick Reply

I read an article that they were receiving millions to pay for all of this. Funding like that was funneled through various groups but we know who's really signing the checks.
William Gonderdot - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 06:15:01 EST ID:J4uX5cJE No.166028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Israel is an ally of the USA, and that is a fact
No, it is not. Israel is neither part of NATO nor of any other mutual defense agreement with the United States. Israel and the US have a very one-sided relationship where America gives free stuff to the Israelis while getting little to nothing in return. Even the STUXNET example you cited was an example that hurt America's credibility and prestige for the sake of attacking a geopolitical rival of Israel. The main reason for America's poor relations with the Muslim world is the American government's undue support for the Israelis, which has been pointed out repeatedly by none other than Osama Bin Laden:

In fact, Israel has repeatedly engaged in outright hostile activity towards the US, including for example the Lavon Affair in which state-sponsored Israeli terrorists bombed American and British assets in Egypt and tried to blame Egyptians for it:

More importantly, they have corrupted America's domestic law enforcement and intelligence agencies to the point where shit like this happens:
>Filmmaker Arnon Milchan admits live on TV that he is Israeli spy, helps funnel U.S. nuclear secrets, uranium and parts to Israel
>FBI does not arrest or even question him

>NSA shares raw intelligence including American citizens' data with Israel, places no legal limits on use of data by Israelis

So again, none of this exonerates Russia, although I do think there are actually more important things to worry about even on the Russian front than this narrative that 13 Russians destroyed America's democracy by shitposting on Facebook. (Russian imperialist ideologues like Aleksandr Dugin attempting to subvert American political movements like the Alt-Right and various leftist groups are a real thing, and so are Russian companies bribing American officials to buy up American assets such as large parts of America's natural uranium resources.)

But to say that "it's fine when the Israelis do it because they're America's allies" is not a reasonable position.
Nathaniel Crabberwore - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:49:41 EST ID:3YmNsua+ No.166030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"illegal and overt attempts by the military or other elites within the state apparatus to unseat the sitting executive."
>the sitting executive
The "sitting executive" at the time was Obama. He was "unseated" due to term limits. Russia did not trick America into adopting term limits.

So no, this situation does not fall under that definition.

So please, go ahead and come up with some other contrived justification for your unhinged warlust. Because it's clear by now that you will allow absolutely nothing to get in the way of your warmongering, no matter how much you embarrass yourself in the process.
Charles Murdforth - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:01:06 EST ID:DwR/RrIK No.166032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Let’s leave aside what a stinging indictment this claim is of the Obama presidency. It not only means that Obama allowed an attack of the magnitude of Pearl Harbor and 9/11 to happen on his watch, but worse, did very little – basically nothing – in response, allegedly due to fears that any retaliation would be criticized by Republicans as partisan. But for those who really believe this rhetoric, can fears of political attacks really justify inaction by the Commander-in-Chief – whose primary duty, we’re so often told, is to protect the Nation – in the face of a Pearl Harbor or 9/11? To posit this equivalence is to condemn Obama in the harshest possible terms, to accuse him of utter malfeasance in protecting the nation.

>But the more important question is the one these chest-beating politicians and pundits notably refrain from addressing. If Russian election meddling is on par with the Pearl Harbor and 9/11 attacks, then should the U.S. response be on par with its response to those attacks? Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor prompted U.S. involvement in a world war and, ultimately, dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan; 9/11 initiated wars in multiple countries that still, 17 years later, have no end in sight, along with a systematic and still-worsening erosion of basic civil liberties.

>This has been a long-standing tactic during the War on Terror of neoconservatives: they love to accuse everyone of being insufficiently “tough” or “aggressive” with whatever country they crave heightened tensions, but they never specify what greater “toughness” is needed, because to do so would expose their extremism. Indeed, for years, GOP hawks such as John McCain, Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush often accused Obama – who repeatedly tried to accommodate and even partner with Putin – of being insufficiently “tough” on the Russians, of being too “weak” to “stand up” to the Russian leader, without specifying what they wanted him to do beyond arming Ukrainians. Regarding Obama’s alleged weakness toward Putin, McCain said in 2014 that “history will judge this administration incredibly harshly.”
tldr: have fun being McCain and Jeb!'s ideological bitch.
Martha Durringchick - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:30:08 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.166037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Personally, I think we should respond with sanctions and cyber responses. Protecting ourselves by removing these people from hijacking our government is imperative.

Republicans are war starved, so this isn't new rhetoric. We should definitely handle this as peacefully as possible.
Hedda Greenstock - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:23:53 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.166038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Naw, let's go full The Future and just fucking hate on Jews while ignoring Russia. Deus vult! Pepe memes for all!

This whole thread is a fucking joke now. Mods should kill it.
Barnaby Pittbanks - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 15:54:51 EST ID:i7FPLePL No.166045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And we have more charges: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/robert-mueller-charges-attorney-with-making-false-statements-to-special-counsels-office/article/2649496

>Can't successfully derail a thread
>Appeal to mods to lock it because of all the unsuccessful derailing attempts
Wonderfully played, bravo.
Hedda Greenstock - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:03:42 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.166047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How am I derailing the thread? I'm not the one scream "BUT DA JEWS!"
Martha Durringchick - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:34:19 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.166050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
More possible evidence of obstruction? Trump has really been hitting twitter more than usual lately. He's basically hijacking the safety of school children by pitting the blame on Dems and "their Russia investigation". If you want these school shootings to stop, you better stop investigating me!

Is that really how an innocent person acts? No, of course not, it's exactly how a deranged person behaves when cornered.
Nicholas Menkinway - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:24:58 EST ID:gEhNx81P No.166056 Ignore Report Quick Reply

this is the 19th person connected to trumps campaign charged. mueller could go down in history as the nigga with the big dick if he takes this shit all the way to the top.
William Snodbury - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:15:18 EST ID:uJfhVoRv No.166058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its McCarthy all over again
Reuben Tootgold - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:28:07 EST ID:1noVNeYG No.166060 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That would create a paper trail, though, wouldn't it? That amount of money can't simply be laundered without any trace.
Lillian Gellerlock - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 06:41:24 EST ID:u35xloTz No.166066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump is an agent of the USSR which has successfully enacted a coup.
>the USSR
Spunky pls
Angus Drocklestone - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:12:20 EST ID:VQYQlNcp No.166086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Not even good old Germany is safe from Russian election meddling.
>Russia may organise migrant sex attacks in Europe to make Angela Merkel lose German elections, EU experts claim

I bet anyone who voted AfD feels really stupid now. Those morons really thought that the phenomenon of Muslim rape gangs targeting young German women was a result of Merkel's poorly thought-out immigration policy, when obviously it was Putin who was behind it all along!
Phoebe Pemmerstitch - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 22:25:21 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.166098 Report Quick Reply

Do you think for a second that if they didn't have the pressure of the US on them at all times they wouldn't immediately try to swallow up all of their former states? Georgia, Ukraine, etc.

I'm surprised they haven't gone on a full offensive already.
Henry Fommlechack - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:09:07 EST ID:BS7cU6db No.166099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Kremlin Cash Behind Billionaire’s Twitter and Facebook Investments
Augustus Wecklepadge - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:13:49 EST ID:NVABe+Zf No.166100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lot of foreign entitties are all in tech, it's all tore up from the floor up from the H1B mercenaries to global shady money laundry . Zuckerberg got some splainin' to do if he ever does get around to running for office which is he is egregiously flirting with.
Shit Brockleworth - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 03:11:34 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.166103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There were a number of news stories of migrant attacks that turned out to be total fabrications, it would surprise me if Russia stopped making shit up or overplaying whatever shit they can find.

Someone getting raped in Germany wasn't news before it was potential ammunition to use against the party in power.
Edward Brookfuck - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:51:02 EST ID:DwR/RrIK No.166108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Those dirty [others] are organizing Muslim rape gangs to attack white women and destroy the West
It's nice to know that corporate media isn't above appropriating neo-Nazi memes for their own purposes.

When your propaganda tactics perfectly mirror those of frogposters, that's when you know you're fighting on the right side of history.
Shit Brockleworth - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:52:16 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.166112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>the sun
>corperate media
lol they're basically the british version of Breitbart, except sillier.
The Sun blaming ISIS for global warming related.
Simon Clamblesture - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:27:24 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.166113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just so you know, Russia has been sending fake news about rapist (pedophile) NATO soldiers around the Baltics for the last five years, so this is nothing new.
Ian Tillingshit - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:37:54 EST ID:syTyBQ+H No.166114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Sun is published under a wholly owned subsidiary of a NASDAQ-listed multinational corporation.

Are you, for some reason, reluctant to admit that corporate media is willing to stoop to Breitbart's racebaiting sensationalist conspiracy-theory level when it suits their purposes?
Shit Brockleworth - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:39:42 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.166115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's not claiming that Russia will make up more propaganda about migrant rape gangs, but that Russia will organize actual rape gangs of migrants and send them to germany.
Shit Brockleworth - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:00:50 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.166116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm just not willing to accept The Sun as representative as anything except tabloids that report things like a guy putting candy in his butt.

It's disingenuous to put them in the same category as NYT, WaPo, Chicago Times, etc when talking about the quality of their journalism.
Their methods are far more similar to Breitbart and other tabloids than other papers that happen to be owned by large corperations.
Lydia Bunshaw - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:05:18 EST ID:j8xcLkF9 No.166117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You-know-who has been spreading media LIES
>That's how I KNOW that they're directing Muslim gangs to rape European women
>And they're doing it as part of a nefarious plot to DESTROY the West
Deus Vult to you too, buddy. You keep up the fight of defending white womanhood against the evil plotting Manipulator and his Muslim refugee footsoldiers. Keep that tiki torch a-burnin'.
Thomas Fanbanks - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:55:24 EST ID:3Yh3VDg0 No.166127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Do you think for a second that if they didn't have the pressure of the US on them at all times they wouldn't immediately try to swallow up all of their former states?
I think you may have bought into the whole "World Police" thing a little too enthusiastically.

>I'm surprised they haven't gone on a full offensive already.
Maybe because real-life geopolitics doesn't function on the level of a Call of Duty storyline.
Ian Peshlock - Sat, 03 Mar 2018 19:08:45 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.166298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
in all fairness he's right about Russia moving further forward with reestablishing their old spbere if it weren't for Western pressure. the only reason they aren't is they can't.

you don't seriously believe Putin would just be a good little boy and stop invading neighboring former Soviet states if there wasn't, do you?
Augustus Drambletud - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:14:13 EST ID:mwf1BDwp No.167798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Fox News’ Kremlin Ties Go Much Deeper Than Just Sean Hannity
Oliver Pattingstod - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 12:20:45 EST ID:w4G8ki2H No.167799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>I think you may have bought into the whole "World Police" thing a little too enthusiastically

He might actually have a point on that, the US has been setting up strategically around the world since the end of WW2. It's also one of the reasons Russia gets so butthurt about new members of NATO being added, since it just means more US military presence near them.
Lillian Sumblewill - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 17:31:45 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.167807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The irony of course is that the more NATO grows, the less influence the USA has over it.
Polly Blerringdale - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:48:09 EST ID:5IMpsc2P No.167810 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Still it's retarded that Russia acts all surprised why all of its neighbours hate it.
Betsy Fuckingshit - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 05:22:48 EST ID:52b2bdHu No.167821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When have they acted remotely surprised? Russia has had an adversarial relationship with everyone else for like a thousand years at this point. It was a major cause of both world wars. What are you talking about?
Simon Sugglehedge - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 07:44:45 EST ID:timfKzTX No.167826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It was a major cause of both world wars.
Look, I'm sure you're very patriotic and all that, but please don't shit all over history or subtly give a pass to Imperial Europe/Nazi Germany just so you can score a few rhetorical potshots against Trump's buddies.
Eliza Gellypodge - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:41:32 EST ID:1KcWuZvS No.167833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Imperial Russia's adversarial relationship with Imperial Germany and Austria was literally the cause of the first world war. Then their experience in it and the revolution it caused dictated their relationship with postwar Germany and the distrust it sowed directly informed Nazi Germany's actions and the Soviet Union's actions through the war and going into the cold war and to this day.
The Russian historical experience and the perspective they've gained from it is of constant threat from conspiring outside forces unless they can be kept at bay with overwhelming strength and a buffer of hegemony.

He could have gone more in depth but he's not wrong.
Reuben Goodgold - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 16:28:30 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.167838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Don't forget the USSR abandoning its mutual assistance treaties with Poland and France to conspire with Nazi Germany.
If war with Poland meant instant war with Poland, GB, the USSR, and France, WWII probably wouldn't have happened, or would have been much shorter.
Betsy Fuckingshit - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 17:25:19 EST ID:52b2bdHu No.167839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not even American and I like Trump's accelerationism, you ignorant tribalist drone.

Anon already covered how wrong you are but I wanted to point out this pathetic programmed projection, too.

Important but I wouldn't go that far. Wars are often theatre as much as anything else, these ones in particular, caused by a confluence of interests. The motives of direct aggressors notwithstanding it's likely that these interests would have found some other way to achieve their objectives.
Reuben Pidgewell - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 19:35:59 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.167842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, the Issues of WW2 derive so directly from the forced peaces of WW1 that you can call them a single war with an unusually long armistice between action.
Jarvis Bezzlechitch - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:54:30 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.167850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Well, the Issues of WW2 derive so directly from the forced peaces of WW1
They may have contributed by not being harsh enough to prevent remilitarization, but the narrative that the Treaty of Versailles saddled Germany with insurmountable debt is a Nazi myth.

The German reparations were less harsh than those Germany imposed on France in the Franco-Prussian war, which were fully repaid.
Most of Germany's reparations were forgiven and interest reduced after the economic crash and recovery, before the Nazis took power.
Polly Genningduck - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:06:52 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.167853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>narrative that the Treaty of Versailles saddled Germany with insurmountable debt is a Nazi myth.

Well, quite. During the boom of the 20s, they weren't having problems handling it.

I meant more the psychological, and not just Germany. Italian Fascism was partly born out of the feeling that they didn't get their fair share in WW1, Japanese aggression born out of being the biggest power of East Asia after WW1.
Simon Turveycocke - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:19:43 EST ID:52b2bdHu No.167854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, that's true. But considering factors like multiple parties refusing to take ground in WW1, or the fact that financiers/industrialists in Allied nations had a kind of materiel throttle over Germany that dictated the pace of that war, we should be looking at what was happening elsewhere while the European populace was thoroughly distracted by the European "theatre".
Stuff like breaking up the Ottomans is a motive going back hundreds of years that they don't even mention in history class in my country, and yours too, I'd bet. Splitting up Africa, too. And what about the American invasion of East Asia--it's interesting that in both their declaration and surrender the Japanese declared that their purpose in the war was to protect the East from Western hegemony, yet in our history books, we're told they placed a "puppet emperor" in Manchuria, despite the fact that this "puppet" was the reinstatement of the LEGITIMATE EMPEROR OF CHINA who had been previously deposed by European interference in the region.
Nobody mentions that bit. Yet the Japanese were just "crazy imperialists", right? Remind you of anything?

Then of course the US, their mission incomplete, sticks around for another few decades to dominate Korea--isolating the ancient Confucian capital of Pyongyang, ancient rival of Rome (seriously, after dropping more bombs on them than they did all of Japan throughout WW2)--and Vietnam, just to make absolutely sure everyone is aware how willing they are to murder civilians by the thousands. Compare that to the modern drone doctrine, under which 80-90% civilian fatalities are standard, and worthy of a Nobel peace prize (awarded by one of the two banking capitals who were completely "neutral" in both world wars, btw).

I'm trying to cram a lot of information into one drunken post, but I think you can see my point. It's hard to tell whether both World Wars are planned in advance as a package deal, or whether WW2 was a patch on goals unachieved in WW1, but you're right, the whole thing is interrelated. It should be incredibly telling that even today WW2 has a massive memetic forcefield around it that makes you automatically a nazi if you question anything about the ostensible motivations of the primary actors, like that one faggot was intimating--despite apparently being aligned with a political faction who are themselves thoroughly maligned in this way. It seems like we're potentially even on the same side! Yet questioning the WW2 narrative was a trigger, and a weapon, that's too attractive to pass up. Just according to keikaku.
Frederick Himmlechodge - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:25:02 EST ID:ezOt95eQ No.167855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If we bump this thread once a day, every day, it will be stickied on page zero through May, June and July.
Simon Turveycocke - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:32:52 EST ID:52b2bdHu No.167856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> a Nazi myth
Yet H.Dogg made a special point of blowing up the particular train car in which that treaty was signed. Which wouldn't have been a particularly useful propaganda move if the public didn't believe they had been hard done by.

Your post is interesting and I'd be very interested if you have sources to share? Because the impoverishment of Germany seems like an incredibly important bullet point in this whole thing.

Although it should probably be pointed out that even if these conditions were less harsh than the French conditions, it doesn't mean both treaties weren't fucking awful.
Aside from that, WW1 was technologically novel, and I'd be prepared to believe that the (to that point) unprecedented material devastation is a key point here. Like, I think comparing dicks about who suffered more is probably a poor avenue of discussion in current_year, but there's a big difference between harsh terms and slightly less harsh terms when your entire economic base has been square oned.
Jarvis Bezzlechitch - Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:38:05 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.167862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>the psychological
Any peace deal at all would have been used as propaganda to achieve the same psychological effect.

>this "puppet" was the reinstatement of the LEGITIMATE EMPEROR OF CHINA
Puyi had so little legitimacy outside Manchu China, commie china sentenced him to reeducation, then allowed him to live out his days as a regular citizen (whom they used for propaganda purposes).
If he was seen as legitimate and a threat, he would have simply been executed for collaborating with the Japanese.

Don't take this as an argument that the west's actions in asia were affected by humanitarian concerns in any way, the US interbellum plan for a Chinese uprising threatening US interests involved gas, just that the Manchus weren't seen as legitimate rulers of China outside Manchu region but foreign occupiers.

>Yet H.Dogg made a special point of blowing up the particular train car in which that treaty was signed.
The train car was used to sign the "peace treaty" between Vichy France and Germany.
It toured Germany as a symbol of nazi strength until it was destroyed to avoid recapture by advancing allies.

>Your post is interesting and I'd be very interested if you have sources to share?
What specifically?
That the Franco-Prussian war ended in a very harsh peace, stipulating German occupation of France until debts were repaid and loss of major economic territory of France, ultimately leading to instability in France and the abolition of the emperor?

That Germany could have repaid the renegotiated terms of Versailles? http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2023140,00.html

That Nazi Germany used Versailles as propaganda to drive war support?
Beatrice Lightwill - Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:29:36 EST ID:O+06qbXy No.168065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As a Russian, im quite enjoying this thread. So many quality posts. I wish i've learned Englush here instead of \v\ and kc's int.

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