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/RIG/- Russian Interference General by Martin Cabberfoot - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 22:08:57 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So I find it kind of odd that we have stories breaking about Russian interference in western democracies literally every day, but we almost never have threads about them. The story about the sale of uranium seems to be an exception just because for once it doesn't implicate the Republican party directly. This is a thread for the rest of the stories. If you come across one, post it here.

>How the Russians pretended to be Texans and Texans believed them


>Russian Troll Farm Ran Twitter Account Posting In Tennessee GOP’s Name

>Jeff Sessions shifts ground on Russia contacts under Senate questioning

>Trump Campaign Staffers Pushed Russian Propaganda Days Before the Election

>Facebook admits Russia agents used Messenger to disrupt U.S. presidential election

>Congress is spending millions on Russia investigations — but you'll probably never know exactly how much

These are only the articles I've read today that came out today, and I could keep going if I wanted to but I omitted articles that mostly repeated stuff from one of the articles I already linked.
Martin Cabberfoot - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 22:14:24 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In case it wasn't clear, I'm not saying every article posted ITT needs to implicate republicans (although I suspect most of them will). I should have said "This is a thread for the the rest of the stories about Russia's interference" because that wording was too vague.
Martin Cabberfoot - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:58:59 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mueller interviews cyber expert who claimed he was 'recruited to collude' with Russians: report

This one is very interesting because it involves our friend Peter Smith who was found dead just days after speaking to journalists about his role colluding with the Russians in the 2016 election. This is just one death out of a long string of people who are connected to this, most of them are Russians though. This would be the only American Putin has assassinated in relation to this as far as I know so something tells me this interview could be significant.
Martin Cabberfoot - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:02:47 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I should say that it's probably equally likely that this guy did actually kill himself because he couldn't live with having sold his country out to the Russians, but the possibility that the "suicide" was not really what it appeared remains high in my estimation. Putin has fully revived the Russian's assassination program and he's assassinated people in America before, even in Washington DC as recently as 2015 I think.
Fucking Fengerfutch - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:28:09 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good thread.

Here's my contribution.

>All of Trumps ties in 7 Charts

>Yes, GOP leaders were making a joke about Putin and Trump. But then it sunk in.

>Historian Timothy Snyder: “It’s pretty much inevitable” that Trump will try to stage a coup and overthrow democracy

>US intelligence chief: Russia interfering in French, German elections

>Infamous Dossier (Most of which have been accurrately shown to be reliable)

>Fact Set

>Russian Troll Army (Probably some on this board)
Esther Herrylock - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 05:59:51 EST ID:zIbYho+y No.162650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because it's not big enough interference to make any difference.
Esther Herrylock - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 06:01:38 EST ID:zIbYho+y No.162651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not to mention the evidence of US interference in Russian elections is overwhelming. Stop being a faggot shill
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:38:04 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Aleksandr Dugin’s Foundations of Geopolitics

> Russian-bought Black Lives Matter ad on Facebook targeted Baltimore and Ferguson http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/27/media/facebook-black-lives-matter-targeting/
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:38:44 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://youtu.be/GWlDJcKW1OY Video describing the event.
Hedda Fuddledock - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:00:54 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.162656 Report Quick Reply

The BLM ads were targeted to Republicans in the areas, as well as other "conservative groups" (white supremacists) as a way to spook the fuck out of them. It worked rather well.
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 13:14:21 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's important to note that Russian interference doesn't only apply to our election process but our overall civil stability. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pepe cult on /pol/ wasn't manufactured or at the least given wings to something already organic in our society. It's no surprise that the free press is being dismissed by a large percentage of our society as fake news or even dangerous. It's the first step in installing tyranny in a nation since most tyrants are voted democratically. You can't just install a Russian style government in the US overnight. It comes in waves and stages.

We are being attacked from the inside out.
Martin Surringlock - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:03:02 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.162658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Already the White House is claiming that any "general," is above reproach, even when they are caught blatantly lying.
Charles Hozzlesirk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:35:29 EST ID:fIPv1jYU No.162659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>memes aren't real
>ithis is the first time countries have fucked with each other politics
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:46:09 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Obviously it isn't the first time, but that doesn't stop it from being a real threat to our stability. Is the point that you are addressing that because we do the same thing therefore the problem isn't also real for us? What's the point of bringing that up? It also says nothing about just how effective one attack is over the other. They've been fucking with us for a while, but this time the problem has reached a point that it deserves attention.

Trying to make Russia less shitty to it's homosexual population and trying to make them a democracy isn't in the same realms of seriousness as a Russian autocracy sinking it's teeth into our way of government. Altering public perceptions in order to subjugate the populace. If nothings done about this, we can very well become another Russia. If you think the problems we have are bad now, just wait until everyones sitting in front of the TV having two minutes of hate on nationally syndicated propaganda. To a point where everyone's happily going against their own self interest.

Clearly memes aren't real. The concepts behind them has a very real effect on peoples behaviors. What a person believes alters their behavior. Memes are good at spreading bits of propaganda into small bit sized pieces. It's why people like Sargon are so effective. Leagues of impressionable youth that have no political sense whatsoever being bamboozled by such groups as Learn Liberty. To the point in which people actually think Putin is a good leader for his people and not the tyrant he is.
Lillian Packlepotch - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:00:07 EST ID:mM9fZu54 No.162663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>If you think the problems we have are bad now, just wait until everyones sitting in front of the TV having two minutes of hate on nationally syndicated propaganda. To a point where everyone's happily going against their own self interest.

Edward Sesslehood - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:00:23 EST ID:u35xloTz No.162664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Russian-bought Black Lives Matter ad on Facebook targeted Baltimore and Ferguson
Oh, great, you guys are bringing the anti-reform memes back. There's nothing to see here, don't mind the organized white supremacy, it's all just spooky Russians. As above, so below.

Good to see you show your true colors, though.
Frederick Sibberbanks - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:05:28 EST ID:tgg7ArJh No.162665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>just wait until everyones sitting in front of the TV having two minutes of hate
>Literally 100% of his posts are desperately trying to drum up nationalist hate against Eurasia
You're a cheeky little slimy cunt, aren't ya?
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:00:36 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sure, it's already happening now, but it'll get worse if we don't protect our democracy. We are already in effects living in an oligarchy, but we still have systems in place that safeguard our rights, but it's hanging on by a thread. Months ago, Bernie Sanders commented on how if we don't do something now and take back our democracy or we'll lose it and the rich and powerful will have carte blanche in all aspects of our lives.

It's still better to live here than Russia. I have optimism and hope that we'll take things back.
Eliza Suvingford - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:33:17 EST ID:+oySoSo2 No.162670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This was a very clumsy attempt to hijack Bernie's genuine popularity for the status-quo's endless vendettas against foreigners. Taking the economy back from American plutocrats and American corporations has nothing to do with sabre-rattling at Russia.
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:38:37 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162671 Ignore Report Quick Reply

They are both problems and they are working together. It's easier to keep your money and influence if you control the government and public perception.
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:47:34 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Another interesting connection worth looking into:

>Jill Stein looped into widening investigation of Russia and Trump Jr. connections
Sidney Fombleman - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:22:37 EST ID:+JMYZp4D No.162677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump won because RUSSIA
>throw the blacks under the bus idgaf
>random swipe at Bernie
>random swipe at Jill Stein
>did I mention RUSSIA
It's like you're reading directly from the Hillary Neolib Comeback Tour Handbook. The saddest part is that you probably really do think you're being clever and subtle about this.
Esther Nazzletet - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:32:56 EST ID:zK/apcKz No.162679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its Shills shilling shills at this point. Would you two just get a room and get it out of your systems?
Edward Sesslehood - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:36:05 EST ID:u35xloTz No.162682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Its Shills shilling shills at this point. Would you two just get a room
I'm pretty sure that was the whole point of this thread.

nb for greasy shill orgy
Augustus Mengerburk - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:47:28 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Check out OP topic title.

Edward Sesslehood - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:00:33 EST ID:u35xloTz No.162689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>/NWG/ - Neoliberal Warmongering General

Phyllis Bimblenet - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 20:25:02 EST ID:MBoLWmcK No.162704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like it could be a chapter title straight outta Why I Lost. What's your point?
Phyllis Pockhood - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:29:20 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162721 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nothing new, but it bears repeating that someone claiming to work for Mike Flynn was in contact with the Russian hackers who claimed to have hacked Hillary's emails. Just days after he talked to the press about this, he was found dead in his hotel room.

>Russia’s free pass to undermine British democracy

>Facebook and Google are spending big money to lobby on Russia, sex trafficking and immigration

The only interesting take away from this one is that tech companies are lobbying hard against bills to create greater transparency on political advertisements that have been introduced because of Russia's ad buys during the election.
Edward Pickhood - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:46:15 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.162726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Funny when we've known for years now that Putin wants the whole of Europe to speak Russian. You cocksucking sissy American the future immigrants should talk so some people from the Baltic states about how it feels living next to a megalomanical genocidal nazi that will stop at nothing to create his own personal Tzardom.
Barnaby Duckshit - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:25:17 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.162732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>putin dindu nuffins!
>he a good boy!
ho boy.
Clara Summerhall - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:38:12 EST ID:X6i2zg79 No.162734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>You cocksucking sissy American
Nice try, yank. Only dumb Americans treat international relations like professional wrestling. Better luck next time.
Emma Tootspear - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:01:49 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why Is Bill Browder Banned from America?

The proof that Trump is under Putin's thumb is piling up. I can see no sane reason why Trump would do this unless he's taking marching orders from Putin.
Phoebe Gishman - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:47:52 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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One theory is that he isn't as rich as he claims and struck deals to prevent losing it all. The dossier keeps proving itself reliable, so Putin probably does have something on him.
Phineas Chattingdon - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 23:31:43 EST ID:+rypye+p No.162754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>/n/ has a 4chins "general" thread now
Eugene Dicklechut - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:15:18 EST ID:BK6nJXrT No.162762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i was mostly ignoring this thread but, just, all the fucking counter-shilling here.

i mean this isn't a "trump collusion" thread, it's a russian interference thread. the former is still very much disputed, but the latter is just a fact of life. most major countries run such operations anyway (the US included), why is it such a surprise that russia would fuck with US elections? the only question is to what extent and by what means, which i believe is the entire point of the thread.
Phoebe Gishman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:30:27 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>i mean this isn't a "trump collusion" thread, it's a russian interference thread.

Sure, but Trump is deeply a part of the allegations so he is on topic. You can't talk about Russian interference without also bringing up the allegations made against Trump and his administration. It becomes especially relevant if he is under the thumb of Putin and is working to destroy our democracy from the inside out. You can't have one story without the other.

I think that the dossier, written during the 2016 campaign, accurately "predicted" pretty much everything that would later be raised in the news. The point of contention is exactly why would the Russian government WANT Trump to win. Sure, there is no proof, and it isn't a fact of life, but the evidence is indeed mounting against him. And like I expressed above, you can't explore one without exploring the other, especially since he's the one in power right now. A president doing such a thing would be tremendous news.
Edward Bruffingserk - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:41:42 EST ID:1QRQ6Daj No.162765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah this board gets like 20-30 posts a day. Literally a decade away from being popular and fast enough to need a general thread on anything. Cancer
David Cackletire - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:33:07 EST ID:poHyk+ZN No.162766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>most major countries run such operations anyway (the US included)
Which begs the question of why there isn't 4skin-style "general" thread for the US, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc. If it's such an obvious given that all countries do this all the time, why this one country, why now, and why in such close cooperation with the warhawk establishment media?

But we know the answer to this. You say that is isn't a Trump collusion thread, and yet the primary contributor to and promoter of this thread immediately rebukes you and starts rambling about Trump and the 2016 election. Which suggests, respectfully, that you are wrong; despite your best intentions, the people who made this thread really did make it as a cheap partisan punching bag. As much as I would like to believe this isn't just a dumping ground for DNC and deep state talking points, it sure seems like that is the intent. O7R's response to this post makes that very clear.
Phoebe Gishman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:07:59 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My intents are to address the allegations being made by our president and the connections it may have with Russian interference. I didn't rebuke him as much as I politely commented that the two stories really are interconnected and shouldn't be considered irrelevant to the thread topic.

This has nothing to do with anything partisan. I have no loyalties to the DNC or the GOP. I was very much critical of Obama over the years, but he clearly wasn't nearly as dysfunctional as Trump. Please understand that being critical of Trump isn't the same as aligning myself with warhawks or the DNC or whatever deep state talking points are.

I couldn't be more anti-war. I haven't said a single thing about going to war with Russia nor have I suggested such a thing. The focus has been on Russian interference and the role that our president may have had in it.

You misunderstood why exactly I brought up the 2016 election. I brought it up to date the dossier and not bring up the actual campaign of Trump. Showing that the dossier reported on this before it became a part of public consciousness shows that it's source is probably reliable. The potential Trump collusion and Russian interference are invariably connected topics of discussion. And if you would notice, I have posted links showing suspicion that Putin has tried to install alt-right leads in France and Germany. I'm sorry if bringing this up makes me appear as a shill to you or a partisan and warlike hack, but it's an important story to address.

Nothing can be more newsworthy than the potential of having a foreign enemy seeking to topple our government. If that's partisanship, and warlike, I respectfully have no more words for you.
Phoebe Gishman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:08:52 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Which begs the question of why there isn't 4skin-style "general" thread for the US, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.

If you want to start a thread, please feel free to do it.
Cornelius Chittingkin - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:36:27 EST ID:6MHZ/reb No.162772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Nothing can be more newsworthy than the potential of having a foreign enemy seeking to topple our government.
Bullshit, there is always, at all times, the potential for foreign enemies seeking to topple any given government. The potential for someone trying something vague is not news. Especially when that something vague has been happening to every government in history ever since the invention of government.

Right now there is the potential that the DNC is seeking to kidnap and publically gangrape Trump, yet I would imagine that you would not find that potential to be inherently newsworthy or intellectually honest. Anyone can point to the inherent potential for anyone to do anything to therefore claim anything at any time as newsworthy using that excuse. That does not make it so, absent something more than a mere potential.

What you are doing is fearmongering.
Phoebe Gishman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:54:40 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The difference between your example and collusion is a matter of evidence. It's intellectually honest to take the allegations seriously. It's not in the same leagues as an allegation that Hillary is selling children sex slaves because that began with no evidence.

Russian involvement in our government is serious, especially at this level of it. What's worse is that it's being allowed and people believe it isn't happening.

You believe what you want and I'll do the same.
Hamilton Crarryforth - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:43:07 EST ID:J6R6yGt1 No.162779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>a matter of evidence
And what evidence do you have that Russia is using Trump, specifically, to "topple" the US government? Not the potential for such a desire, not the normal espionage/propaganda back and forth that countries have been doing to each other for decades. But actual existing, concrete evidence that Trump is a Russian Manchurian candidate selected to specifically "topple" the government.

What evidence do you have to back up that very specific, very extraordinary claim?
Hannah Nickledale - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:51:52 EST ID:DKqIXKMb No.162782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>why there isn't 4skin-style "general" thread for the US, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.
feel free to make them. hell, we've for sure discussed this topic before on all of these countries at some point. maybe not in a "general" thread, but it for sure has been brought up.

besides, that's a whataboutism fallacy. just because other countries too doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss one's without discussing all others. there's also the magnitude of russia's efforts (that's apparent) that makes it stand out.

>partisan punching bag
and? so what? this is /n/, there's inevitably going to be political discussion tied into the news. that's never been against the rules. just because you don't like trump being criticized doesn't make the discussion invalid.

>dumping ground for DNC and deep state talking points
lol, kinda ironic
>those talking about russian shilling are the REAL shills, for the DNC/deep state!

this whole topic is a very valid point of discussion. i see nothing wrong with it. again, feel free to talk about other country's interference in foreign countries democratic systems. lord knows we've done that plenty in the past, including the US.

it's pretty clear the only reason you don't like this thread is because it makes trump look bad.
Polly Peblingstat - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:54:48 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.162787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's only fearmongering if it isn't true.
Charlotte Derryridge - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:31:10 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Poland Pushes Back Against Putin’s Special War

>U.K. asks Facebook for information on Russia-linked Brexit ads

>Russia is pushing to control cyberspace. We should all be worried.

>GOP Leaders Refusing to Pay for Dana Rohrabacher’s Travel Over Russia Fears
Charlotte Fuckinglock - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:35:44 EST ID:h20WZdBR No.162797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russiagate: The Lie Implodes
>Having failed to make the case for “collusion” between Vladimir Putin and Trump, and with no evidence that Russians or any other foreigners tampered with U.S. voting machinery, the Russiagate inquisition shifted their attention to social media, and especially Facebook. Under intense pressure from Democrats in Congress, Facebook declared that it had discovered advertising purchases by people in Russia thought to have ties to the Kremlin.
>But, it turns out, the ads cost only about $100,000 over two years -- a budget unworthy of any state actor, even from the smallest and poorest of nations. It turns out, most of the ads are click-bait hustles , whose messages are designed to attract eyeballs and earn payouts, not shape the destiny of nations. It’s a hit-and-miss business. Twenty-five percent of the ads weren’t seen by anybody. More than half the ads were shown after the 2016 election, and couldn’t have changed anybody’s mind about who to support. Half the ads cost the buyer $3 or less. The supposedly “Russian” ads dealt with a wide spectrum of issues, from hobbies to politics to puppies. For those ads that discussed politics, the message was as likely to be left-leaning as right-leaning -- anything that might get clicks.
Ernest Billingshit - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:54:19 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.162806 Report Quick Reply

That's hardly a credible news site. It's a conspiracy rag as bad as breitbart or infowars.
Lillian Dammerfidge - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:58:22 EST ID:n8WZmtFV No.162807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It figures that the only 'sources' that support a narrative that suggests the trump/russia collusion was all made up comes from places comparable to tinfoil-hat conspiracy-tainment sites.
Ernest Billingshit - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 17:38:54 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.162808 Report Quick Reply

Does it hurt, being that retarded?
Charlotte Derryridge - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:12:27 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump Data Guru: I Tried to Team Up With Julian Assange

So this makes the third campaign official to confirm that they tried to reach out to wikileaks and/or Russia to obtain materials they believed the Russian government had hacked, not including Trump himself who also publicly asked Russia to hack Hillary's emails and release them. At this point we're at "we tried to collude but we failed so that makes it okay"

>Trump-Russia investigators gathering documents from estate of Republican operative, sources say
Shit Crazzlewat - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:46:15 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.162810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also shows how stupid his campaign is. Assange was a leaker, not a hacker. Going to him like that was pointless.
Priscilla Diggleman - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 20:36:02 EST ID:NVABe+Zf No.162811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Clinton dindu nuffin amirite?
Emma Darrygold - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:20:51 EST ID:u35xloTz No.162812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>as bad as breitbart or infowars.
What was their "turning the frogs gay" moment?
Edward Hevingson - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:07:27 EST ID:l01ZlxGk No.162816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>conspiracy rag
No it's not, it's an independent non-corporate site from a genuine left perspective. You just don't want to acknowledge any media perspective outside of the bipartisan corporate consensus as "credible". Treating official security state narratives with a bare minimum of skepticism does not constitute conspiracy theorizing. If you have an example of BAR promoting egregiously false conspiracy theories on the level of Inforwars then give it. But you won't, because you don't.

All of those figures come straight from Facebook themselves:

Are you going to call Facebook's corporate offices a conspiracy rag too, or do they meet the minimum net worth/market cap requirement for you to consider them "credible"?
Eliza Worthingdock - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:17:33 EST ID:n+LHOBY1 No.162821 Ignore Report Quick Reply

no one said or implied that anywhere. why are you pooping in your hand and throwing it at random threads?
Samuel Wibberman - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:42:51 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
PBS Frontline - The Putin Files: Vladimir Kara-Murza:

"Watch Russian opposition politician Vladimir Kara-Murza’s candid, full interview on Putin and allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election – part of FRONTLINE’s media transparency project for our investigation, “Putin’s Revenge.”"
Rebecca Creffingshit - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:57:37 EST ID:NVABe+Zf No.162823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Russian interference was not partisan and if Russia is NATO now I don't know who is jewing who
Nigel Hevingridge - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 00:19:02 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>APNewsBreak: Georgia election server wiped after suit filed

I'm too fucking tired and depressed at what's been going on with the shit show in Georgia to summarize right now, but suffice it to say, our elections are not even remotely secure and people in the government are trying very hard to make sure it stays that way. We have exit polls from states all over showing huge discrepancies between who people say they voted for and what the vote totals reflect, sometimes over 5 points, always to Trump's advantage. I don't think the Russians stopped at just hacking into voter rolls, I think they changed actual votes and the government won't tell us because they don't want to start a riot. I've been saying this since the beginning, but these guys trying to delete all the voting machine data to make sure it can't be checked for tampering just confirms it.
Nigel Hevingridge - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:48:28 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin

So in news that will surprise absolutely no one, Natalia Veselnitskaya was, in fact, working with the Russian government when she met with Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort. Not like it matters anyway since they were under the impression that the information they would be receiving was from the Russian government from the very beginning.

Meanwhile we have Republicans heading into "nothing to see here folks, move along" mode because midterms are coming up:
>GOP eyes end of Russia probes with Trump collusion unanswered
Edward Cidgecocke - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 20:58:08 EST ID:AVMlG+F9 No.162839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why is a Trump meeting with a Russian about "adoption" something suspicious? Don't those coastal elites meet to buy slavic sex object usual?
Martha Fankinmadging - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 23:01:30 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Exclusive: First charges filed in Mueller investigation

"The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said. It is unclear what the charges are."
Esther Fillershaw - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 23:05:59 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh boy, I wonder who it could be. Probably Manfort or Flynn.
Edward Pozzlewig - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:46:21 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.162844 Report Quick Reply

NEW YORK (AP) — A conservative website with strong ties to the Republican establishment triggered the investigation into Donald Trump’s past that ultimately produced the dossier that alleged a compromised relationship between the president and the Kremlin.

The Washington Free Beacon on Friday confirmed it originally retained the political research firm Fusion GPS to scour then-candidate Trump’s background for negative information, a common practice known as “opposition research” in politics. Leaders from the Free Beacon, which is funded largely by Republican billionaire Paul Singer, insisted none of the early material it collected appeared in the dossier released later in the year detailing explosive allegations, many uncorroborated, about Trump compiled by a former British spy.

“During the 2016 election cycle we retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple candidates in the Republican presidential primary, just as we retained other firms to assist in our research into Hillary Clinton,” wrote the site’s editor-in-chief, Matthew Continetti, and chairman Michael Goldfarb. They continued: “The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele.”

Earlier in the week, reports revealed that the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee continued funding Fusion’s work after the original GOP source lost interest.
Martin Tootfield - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 21:14:02 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
While we wait for the arrests, if anyone wants a good summary of what we know so far, I'd suggest taking a look at this:


It's long but it's a good refresher for all the important bits we've learned so far.
Charles Hullynone - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 21:46:12 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.162859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is golden information. Thank you.
Sidney Dingerridge - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:50:32 EST ID:+h6P/M6p No.162864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lillian Fumblechone - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 17:27:54 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
*Note: I am not familiar with this source so I'm taking this with a grain of salt

Looks like there was more than just the one Trump server communicating with Russia. Over 250 cryptically named Trump organization subdomains route to Russia and they use the same ISP and physical location as the wikileaks servers and the contact info for the host works for GazProm.


In case someone needs a reminder, here's the story about the first server communicating with Russia we found: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

I'm inclined to believe this server played a significant role because I watched the Russians try very hard to discredit the story when it came out a year ago.
Phyllis Ponnersidge - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:01:13 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>'Kill them all' -- Russian-linked Facebook accounts called for violence

Russians want to start a race war in the US.
Clara Bevingdock - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:18:17 EST ID:ZqKuReMA No.162958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
better shut down the thread OP, you could be next.

Phyllis Ponnersidge - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 19:44:22 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Facebook Now Says Russian Disinfo Reached 150 Million Americans

I'd like to see them try.
Sidney Pockville - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 20:52:46 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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And we now have confirmation of what I've been saying for literally years at this point, the future was a primary platform for Russian propaganda (along with circlejerk).

>Extremist Content and Russian Disinformation Online: Working with Tech to Find Solutions
Cornelius Breshfatch - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 03:00:14 EST ID:1fIHantD No.162990 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This shit will be the final end of net anonymity, boys. It’s no longer about catching criminals, it’s about state and institutional safety.
Phyllis Shakewell - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 07:25:51 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.162994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No shit Russia was posting psyops on the future. I have seen dozens of posts about supposed German officials 'leaking' about immigrant crime that the government covers up, and they either never reply to my German posts or reply in really shitty Google Translate German. And they always use images from the first 10 Google Image search results.
Sidney Pockville - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 07:59:22 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.162996 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Followup to this story from a more reputable source:

>Hackers Compromised the Trump Organization 4 Years Ago—and the Company Never Noticed

Everyone is calling Trump's IT team wildly incompetent for not noticing this earlier, but that's assuming they didn't know about this and even help facilitate it, which I have my doubts about.

Yeah fake stories about brown people raping white women and the government covering it up is practically their bread and butter. I shouldn't have used the past tense either because this is definitely still ongoing. It's a heck of a lot more than just that too. I check on this Russian twitter bot tracking tool provided by Clint Watts pretty regularly and the stories being pushed there are identical to the stories being pushed on the future.
Samuel Blubbleway - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 13:15:14 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163004 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nah we'll just get to a point where social media will evolve so only anointed individuals (celebrities, people with $$$ to pay for anointed status) will be allowed to post and talk, everyone else will only be allowed to listen. Snapchat is already heading in that direction as everything that trends is extremely heavily curated and altered/edited/censored.

Normal people were given a voice on the internet, and look what they did. So be it. Now the masters are going to take their voice away.

There will always be niche sites though (like here) that will provide anonymity for the people who are smart enough to know how to use them. It's probably for the better tbh. Who really gives a shit about social media users or what they think. They're lower than dirt on the internet and their opinions are completely worthless. I'm totally fine with removing their ability to stay anonymous and then ball gagging them. Doesn't affect me or most of us in here in the slightest.
Charlotte Hallylark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:10:59 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russian Government’s Fission Know-How Hard at Work in Europe

Reminder that Russia is pushing separatist movements all over the world. This is a good read for anyone unfamiliar with the scope of their operations.
Charlotte Hallylark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:59:31 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trump and Sessions Denied Knowing About Russian Contacts. Records Suggest Otherwise.

I find this interesting because of this one little tidbit I hadn't heard before:
>Mr. Sessions vehemently opposed the idea, Mr. Gordon recalled. “And he said that no one should talk about it because it might leak,” he said.
So Sessions not only knew and perjured himself before congress twice, he also instructed other people to keep their mouths shut showing he knew that this information could prove damaging. If you need to prove intent for perjury, it's all there. And of course Trump also knowingly lied repeatedly about this but he wasn't under oath.

>Exclusive: Carter Page testifies he told Sessions about Russia trip

More evidence Sessions committed perjury.

>Russia hackers pursued Putin foes, not just US Democrats

If you had any doubt that Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear were acting on behalf of the Russian government, doubt no longer.

>U.S. Prosecutors Consider Charging Russian Officials in DNC Hacking Case

>Why is Trump so obsessed with Russia? We’re finally going to find out.

Nothing new here but I included it because it has a decent timeline.


I didn't really feel like there was anything that revealing in this article but I figure I should include a summary of the second day of hearings.

Charlotte Hallylark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:01:18 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Weird, I definitely didn't put empty lines in between the headline and links when I wrote my post. Oh well.
Charlotte Hallylark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:02:07 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh, it just ads them when I click to expand the post. Nevermind. 420chan has a lot of weird quirks.
Hannah Ficklepot - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 08:21:38 EST ID:GCAiqt/4 No.163051 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nah dude, common access like that ain't ever gonna go away. Too much money in it for the big IT companies.

What we're in for is far more stringent regulations for how this is done, and far less anonymity in general.

It's actually quite telling when we look at what the Russians have done the past years in their internet policies: Consolidated facebook-services under their own controlled platform, outlawing a large chunk of anonymity online and general sceptical attitude of Putin towards the net.

The Russian government has been doing cyber warfare like ITT for years, and they have been afraid the West would do the same to them, thus the authoritarian internet policies of the nation. That the West will begin to do similar stuff in the future is almost a certainty.
Fuck Chushwuck - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:04:38 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163053 Ignore Report Quick Reply

We will probably see more "penning in" of regular user content where it's spread and scope is going to be severely constricted to a small network area.

Or I bet you we may even begin to see throttles placed on how many "non-premium" posts you can make in a span of time. Want to make more posts on social media? Prepare to pay up for a premium account.

Social media is just going to evolve into a more computerized version of Entertainment Tonight ... they don't really care what the non-paying accounts have to say, they just want your eyeballs glued to the screen and look at the ads. Maybe every once in a while a token non-premium account will be promoted ("look how empowered social media makes people!") but we are never gonna see any more genuine grassroots movements come out of social media. Everything going forward is going to be heavily curated and censored.

These companies are coming to grips with the fact that they aren't technology companies, they are media companies. And they are gonna start acting more like media companies going forward.
Charlotte Hallylark - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:22:58 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Really the only thing I see changing the game is better AI. There will come a time when more posts on the internet are written by bots than by real humans and we won't be able to tell the difference between the two. They're already frighteningly human-like. Once it gets to that point I can see people thinking that we need to ban anonymous internet communication or even ban it outright if we can't find a way to ensure that only real people who are who they say they are can post. Hopefully some sort of functional internet ID will be the end result of all this but I can see it going other ways.
Fuck Chushwuck - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:54:56 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163060 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That's not what's gonna happen. We are going to get pay-to-post social networks soon. It's a win-win for the social network companies: making it pay-to-post immediately makes it unprofitable for the spammers to set up accounts and chases away 99% of them, and also the social network companies tap a brand new revenue stream.

Why waste all this time and effort trying to shoehorn some clever machine learning algorithm into being your internet police when instead you can just throw up a paywall and solve 99% of the problem? Eventually one of the big social network companies is gonna realize this.
Nigel Lightbanks - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:35:23 EST ID:1fIHantD No.163065 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Sounds clever on paper, but I have my doubts here. The very reason why so many sites and apps are free is because of the consumer actually being the product. Big data and analytics for adds and other services are what drives the internet economy. Pay-to-use may be profitable, but the pay-with-your-behavior approach is for now the ruling thumb. Unless policy makers throws a wrench into that machine I don't see how any other alternative is better market-wise.
Fuck Chushwuck - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:47:15 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163067 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It'll be free to read, just not free to post. They'll still gather just as much analytical data as they already do now, after all, they care more about what and who you look at and follow, they don't really care as much about what your dumb opinion is.

There are more than enough people out there who are so desperate to be internet famous that they'll pay any amount if they think that it'll give them a louder megaphone than everyone else.
Walter Cresslehitch - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 22:53:28 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Inside story: How Russians hacked the Democrats’ emails
Alice Fuckingwill - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 23:20:39 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this. every pay-per monetization model has failed in fantastic fashion so far. at most you'll get more services locked behind a subscription, or more freemium models. one of the reasons pay-per is fucking dead in the digital world is because of piracy. inevitably someones's just gonna pirate your prgram/app. inevitably someone is gonna mirror your message board or share passwords. this is why traditional porn sites and rental movies are dying. it's encroaching on video games too. that era is dead.
James Soshspear - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 08:53:35 EST ID:XEBBfZWc No.163096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>they don't really care as much about what your dumb opinion is
lol that is lterally what marketing companies are after you dunce.
Betsy Brundlechot - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:24:28 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Paradise Papers: Leaks Show Wilbur Ross Hid Ties to Putin Cronies

Another day another Trump administration official who lied about their ties to Russia. It's not like we didn't know about Wilbur Ross's Cypriot/Russian money laundering ties before though. I wonder how many times these assholes will be caught lying on their disclosure forms and/or to congress before some sort of consequences befall them. I guess since the Republicans are in power there aren't consequences for breaking the rules anymore.
Jack Publingbuck - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:28:29 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.163125 Report Quick Reply

After Flynn, he's probably next. Then Sessions. The noose is tightening.
William Dimmlehone - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:13:16 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>every pay-per monetization model has failed in fantastic fashion so far.

Or we get the shit they have in Portugal right now...

Betsy Brundlechot - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:15:21 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russia funded Facebook and Twitter investments through Kushner associate

It looks like we may be finding out the Reason behind one of Kushner's many omissions on his financial disclosure. Apparently one of the people who handled large investments in Twitter and Facebook on behalf of the Russian government also invested heavily in one of Kushner's startups. Not illegal per se, but it does look shady considering the Trump campaign's ties to Russia. Failing to disclose it just makes it look even more shady.

Both of these stories I've posted today are based off reporting done by the International consortium of Investigative Journalists who have come out with some very interesting stories about the paradise paper leaks and how they relate to the Trump administration and others.
Polly Hazzlesock - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:36:14 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
those are still subscriptions, not pay-per models.

an example of a pay-per model that still exists would be those $1 movie "rentals" that you can get on PS network/xbox live where you get to watch a movie for a few days or a week or something.
Barnaby Paddledit - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 10:44:07 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like Donnie Jr. promised a review of the Magnitsky act if they came into power when he met with the Russians and he asked directly for dirt on Hillary at the same time he was offering the review if they came into power.

>“Looking ahead, if we come to power, we can return to this issue and think what to do about it,’’ Trump Jr. said of the 2012 law, she recalled. “I understand our side may have messed up, but it’ll take a long time to get to the bottom of it,” he added, according to her.

>Veselnitskaya also said Trump Jr. requested financial documents showing that money that allegedly evaded U.S. taxes had gone to Clinton’s campaign. She didn’t have any and described the 20-minute meeting as a failure.

>Trump Jr. Hinted at Review of Anti-Russia Law, Moscow Lawyer Says
Samuel Hebblebury - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:03:48 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163176 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jesus fuck, these idiots can't even commit treason right...
Nigel Billingham - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:31:55 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And to think, this is merely the beginning. They usually save the really juicy charges for later. The investigation will strike deals which will lead to an ever greater circumstance.

It's not even a matter of asking who's involved. The more succinct question to ask is to ask who isn't involved who works with Trump. 5%? 10%? Who's the odd one's out? We will invariably find out.
Alice Danningstadging - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 21:55:20 EST ID:TfF4ZDes No.163181 Ignore Report Quick Reply

So instead we get overlord pence or a bunch of alt rightists and militias going full Isis?
Nigel Billingham - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 23:10:03 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Who knows if Pence is in the clear or not. Either way, we are in an awful situation. If they are all gonzos, we still have Trumps remnants of his alt-right insanity.
Molly Shittingworth - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:51:00 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163190 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The full 243 page transcript of Carter Page's testimony to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence was just published. This is the final nail in the collusion coffin. Carter Page is dumber than a sack of bricks he alternated between lying to congress and telling them highly incriminating things. Collusion is proven. The entire Trump National Security team is implicated including Sessions and Trump himself.


Here's reporter Seth Abramson's summary of the key revelations in the transcript that he live tweeted as he read it, put in a more palatable form:
Charlotte Sattingleck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:05:01 EST ID:S6leJ1Q0 No.163235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That transcript really is a hilarious read. Thanks for posting.
Reuben Clayhood - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 02:14:33 EST ID:+5q0zMgm No.163262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The saddest part about this whole thing, and the part that is very conveniently overlooked by American media, is the fact that our political system is so horrendously corrupt that we basically threw all of this shit right in Russia's lap.

I don't blame them at all for playing the hands they're dealt. We fuck them, they fuck us. It's the way the world works. And you're not gonna expect a dog who's thrown a big juicy steak to turn it down.

Not trying to downplay Trump's team's gross negligence and other shit, but our government has been undermining itself for so long that they've been asking for it.
Nathaniel Fuckingshit - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 15:38:06 EST ID:9JeARMnq No.163265 Ignore Report Quick Reply

damn. hope this has an effect.
Barnaby Mimmlelock - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:48:37 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks
Albert Grimlock - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:44:44 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not really Wikileaks itself, but someone within Wikileaks. Wouldn't surprise me if Wikileaks had been partially infiltrated by the FSB or whatever Russian gov organisation.
Fucking Billingwell - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:47:26 EST ID:zK/apcKz No.163356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, his name is Julian Assange.

Not that its shocking, US somehow not expecting someone they want to hang will suddnely start helping their rivals.
Barnaby Mimmlelock - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:22:40 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. Assange made a perfect target for the FSB to recruit. First off he's a narcissist and concerned about image, secondly, he's become an enemy to the US and allied world powers, and thirdly he was on the run from rape charges(I also suspect he was strapped for cash). He needed safe haven and surprise surprise, an intelligence agent picks the country with the second most powerful intelligence operation in the world to cooperate with most likely because they offered it. He gets to retain his image as an independent super spy with the protection of the Russians in exchange for a few favors.

The US fucked up by not putting a bullet in Assange's brain long ago. Who cares if everyone would have known it was us? We would say it wasn't but everyone would know it was and people would protest and yell and then they'd get tired of yelling and it would come up less often, and eventually no one would talk about it but once in a blue moon, but people would remember what sort of "accidents" befall traitors. Makes me wonder if he really has something valuable. If he has it, obviously the Russians have it at this point, so what's to lose? If the Russians have blackmail on you you just have to burn their blackmail and take whatever the fallout is.

Propaganda saying we assassinate our enemies doesn't work when we don't actually assassinate our enemies. Putin sure as shit does, he does it in our own backyard and people fucking know not to cross him. Our intelligence has been made a mockery of lately. They got complacent and stop evolving and let down their guard. This election is the first time I've been ashamed to be an American. We got played harder than we've ever been played before and no one is doing anything about it.
Jenny Sablinggold - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:04:02 EST ID:DCr/2ZNy No.163364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Aaand here we've come full circle back to what started this whole Russia thing in the first place: an attempt to smear the outlet that interfered with Hillary's coronation by exposing DNC corruption.

Just imply that wikileaks are dirty Russians and hopefully the next time they expose war crimes in Iraq or corporate media collusion to sabotage the populist left candidate, hopefully the plebs will be too paranoid and angry to believe them. And the war machine keeps turning.
Cornelius Sanderwig - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:08:09 EST ID:nZRoEBBb No.163365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>we don't actually assassinate our enemies
What a disgustingly shameful liar you are.
Priscilla Sirrybanks - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:14:36 EST ID:kqpOounY No.163366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>no one is doing anything about it.
A republican house and senate don't want to do anything about it because they know Russian interference helps them get people elected.

The Trump administration won't do anything about it, assuming, as you say, Assange is important to Russia, as Trump's administration are made up of Russian allies.

The people spoke last week though. More and more republicans are losing power. We (the people) are doing what we can. For better or worse, it's not much and it takes time...
Matilda Brunkindale - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:28:01 EST ID:bi5BlZnI No.163367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>First off he's a narcissist and concerned about image, secondly, he's become an enemy to the US and allied world powers, and thirdly he was on the run from rape charges(I also suspect he was strapped for cash).
Oh look it's Neoconservative Bush White House talking points straight outta 2010. Almost verbatim, too, how weird. Nice to see that neocon pro-war talking points have become a truly bipartisan issue now.

Behead those that threaten the defense industry's profits.
Clara Smallbury - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:38:04 EST ID:IwNbhQ1H No.163370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's almost like the people pushing cold war against Russia are the exact same people who pushed hot war against Iraq. Almost like this is less about "muh democracy" and more about making the big donors happy.
Albert Grimlock - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:43:31 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meanwhile in the Netherlands, a CDA (christian democrats; centrists) politician called Pieter Omtzigt that worked as spokesman from government to victims and spokesman from victims to government in regard to the MH17 disaster had to step down after newspapers found out he did a bad job screening speakers at information events and let some pro-Russian Ukranian goon "testify" about seeing Ukrainian planes during the time the MH17 was shot down by Russian anti-air missiles. Research showed that the pro-Russian goon wasn't even near East-Ukraine the day the Russians shot that plane down.
Cornelius Buzzridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:45:30 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Sessions again changes his account of what he knew about Trump campaign’s dealings with Russians

Sessions' full testimony:

He confirms that he talked about Sanctions with Kislyak in a private meeting in his office at the time he knew the Russian government was helping the campaign by releasing hacked material. Quid pro quo established. Sessions has been careful to say that he just forgot about certain details but I'm not sure it would save him from a government that was sufficiently motivated to hold him accountable for lying under oath. It remains to be seen whether our current congress is sufficiently motivated. I guess they're waiting for Mueller.

>Secret Finding: 60 Russian Payments "To Finance Election Campaign Of 2016”
Cornelius Buzzridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:49:54 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That video has fucked up synchronization between audio and video,
Here's a link to a youtube video of Session's testimony that isn't out of sync:
Cornelius Buzzridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 21:14:29 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Prague Declaration on seven urgent steps proposed by Western security experts
>“How the democratic West should stop Putin”

Finally someone with a plan.
Nicholas Pockspear - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:28:38 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lol i know right. finally we're getting some CHANGE here! Trump will surely DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!
Albert Shakespear - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:07:21 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Honestly the influence that Goldman Sachs has in Trump's administration and every other recent administration is a far bigger concern than the influence of any one foreign government, but of course the media chooses to sensationalize the latter while tacitly accepting the former.
Phineas Suvingwater - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:59:51 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the influence that Goldman Sachs has in Trump's administration is a far bigger concern than the influence of any one foreign government
Ebenezer Greengold - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 13:30:50 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's funny when people think Trump will drain the swamp, when he IS the swamp.
Reuben Brerrytork - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:07:22 EST ID:sVmXSNaq No.163407 Ignore Report Quick Reply
name a single foreign government with greater influence on the US administration than Goldman Sachs. not even Israel comes close.
Charlotte Nicklelock - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:14:31 EST ID:b+PgKlpT No.163408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't usually post on /n/, but I saw this post on the homepage and had to come give Reuben some love. Russia didn't rig the election with their facebook posts. The DNC did, and they admitted as much in the recent lawsuit against them.
Phineas Suvingwater - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:31:23 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So you just mean the sheer amount of influence? what has goldman sachs done with it?

>The DNC did, and they admitted as much in the recent lawsuit against them.
You have a hard time comprehending news stories, don't you? Or do you only read fake news posted on facebook by russians? I wonder...
Jack Breblingsturk - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:02:05 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.163411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did you just read a truncated headline somewhere and say, "Pfff, I FUCKING KNEW IT!" and then go back to masturbating?
Shitting Cremmlepudging - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:44:02 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Buying into the pro-russian anti-democrat republican propaganda
Jarvis Hommleville - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:26:52 EST ID:w9F+duBk No.163413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"the DNC didn't rig the primaries you guys, that's just Russian fake news"
>"you're either against the Russians or you're with the Republicans"
>going full pro-goldman sachs
>rah rah beat the war drum scary foreigners war with Eurasia
You guy(s) are playing your hand way too easy and early. You gotta be a little more subtle with your establishment talking points, ease us into it a little. You can't just go all in and immediately try to trick us into falling for the same lazy corporate Dem narrative that didn't work back in the election and sure as shit ain't gonna work now. Get that shillary warhawk shit ouuta here.
Charlotte Cranningtudging - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:31:19 EST ID:8XnvF8VN No.163415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>implying this Russian nonsense isn't a distraction from both american political parties being enemies of freedom

Laughable. The Democrats and Republicans would both love to yell "our political system works for you! Russia did it!". Meanwhile billionaires are behind closed doors mingling with all elected officials laughing at you.
Doris Decklechutch - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:03:17 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Get that shillary warhawk shit ouuta here.
>defaulting to hillary
>everybody who doesn't agree with your narrative is a clinton shill

I don't think I can speak for everybody but I'm personally well aware that the dems undermined bernies chances in the primary, none of the other folks mentioned at least appear to be suggesting that the dnc meddling during the primaries didn't happen. What we seem to be pointing out is that people who keep bringing up the readily-apparent dnc meddling are actively trying to minimize and deny russia's meddling with the rnc, basically trying to claim "Those political guys did bad things, but our political guys totally didn't, don't look over here, avert your gaze from the mounting evidence supporting the notion that the rnc benefited from collusion."
Martin Wickleshit - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:33:36 EST ID:wWOB2bFe No.163421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>if you don't buy into anti-russia 2 minute hate then you're with the republicans
fuck off, chimp
Lydia Tillingdale - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:51:23 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"Russia didn't meddle in the election you guys, that's just MSM fake news"
>"you're either with the Russians you're with the Democrats"
>going full pro-goldman sachs
>rah rah beat the war drum scary foreigners war with Arabs and Asia
You guy(s) are playing your hand way too easy and early. You gotta be a little more subtle with your establishment talking points, ease us into it a little. You can't just go all in and immediately try to trick us into falling for the same lazy corporate Repub narrative that didn't work back in the election and sure as shit ain't gonna work now. Get that trumpette warhawk shit ouuta here.

Laughable. The Chinese and Russians would both love to yell "our political system works for you! American government did it!". Meanwhile billionaires are behind closed doors mingling with all elected officials laughing at you.

>shills shilling shills shilling shills
Albert Grimway - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:54:46 EST ID:xLqDT//s No.163426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doesn't that actually back up the point being made? lol. How did you out Reuben a Reuben?
Ernest Honeystock - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 08:45:55 EST ID:p5j+nuYY No.163429 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jesus, this is really the best you Pentagon stenographers can do when confronted with your bullshit? Some grade school-level "I know you are but what am I" bullshit?

This is the level of simpleminded childishness that the war state depends on in their useful idiots.
Lydia Tillingdale - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 09:17:43 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Jesus, this is really the best you Kremlin stenographers can do when confronted with your bullshit? Some grade school-level "I know you are but what am I" bullshit?
>This is the level of simpleminded childishness that the war state depends on in their useful idiots.

Seriously though, how is this response not actually any better than yours? Criticize Mother Russia and you immediately jump in with "CLINTON SHILL!! SACHS SHILL!! PENTAGON STATE SHILL!!"

How are you any better than those blaming everything on Russia, again?
Nathaniel Blennersetch - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 09:28:40 EST ID:Z0JFKxiY No.163433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stop acting like a child and people will stop calling you out for acting like a child.

Lillian Pebberhitch - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:34:24 EST ID:y2gWuTdh No.163436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Pentagon stenographers
>shills shilling shills shilling shills
lol, way to prove his point.
Lydia Tillingdale - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:58:21 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no rebuttal? just ad-homs? i thought you guys ran a better program than that.

point stands though. you're literally doing the same thing you're accusing others of. double nb.
Ebenezer Durringbick - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:26:12 EST ID:hpgTd9j/ No.163439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>random yellowtext with no context or explanation given
>implying that merely acknowledging the existence of a Pentagon narrative is automatic grounds for dismissal
>offering nothing in response
>shills shilling shills shilling shills
Man, way to prove his point, chickenhawk.
Ian Habblehuck - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:43:19 EST ID:aLstSfjm No.163440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>literally copypastad posts, changing a few words around slightly in an attempt to be clever
>spends months hyperventilating at foreigners for doing the exact same shit the US has done for decades
>"you're literally doing the same thing you're accusing others of."
You just might be the most shameless hypocrite on this entire board, and that is really saying something. Seriously, you make the Trumptards seem principled an self-aware in comparison. Congrats on achieving the impossible.
Doris Decklechutch - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 18:12:48 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This whole thread summarized:


>conservative shills: NUH UH, LIES, MUH FOX NEWS.

>everybody else: Did you not even read the linked articles that connects the dots and articulately describes the guilt of the republican party including trump?


>everybody else: yeah we all know about clinton fucking over bernie in the primaries, that's not the thread topic, why are you still trying to divert attention from the evidence suggesting trump and his administration colluded with russia to trumps benefit?

>conservative shills: BUT CLINTON!

>everybody else: You're still deflecting from the point.

Doris Decklechutch - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 18:13:34 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163442 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Esther Grandham - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:13:49 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's best to ignore them. Don't take their bait.

Back in reality: Muellers investigation is just starting. It took about 2 years before everything fell into place detailing the massive corruption of Nixon. The fact that this is focusing on people so close to Trump during the campaign/administration this early on, shows just how much dirt will be revealed some time from now.

The Trump administration will be the most corrupt administration in US history. It'll make Nixon look like a saint.

I'll go out on a limb and say that the dossier has proven itself trustworthy. Virtually everything on it became revealed eventually. It's so accurate that you could probably set your watch to it.
Jenny Dugglelig - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:44:02 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Kushner got emails about WikiLeaks, Russia in 2016, lawmakers say

Looks like Jr wasn't the only one talking to wikileaks. Kushner held back the documents when congress requested them and he got caught when someone else turned in something that they knew was sent to him and that he should have also turned in but didn't. Kushner has to be done at the end of this. There's no way he survives all these repeated lies and omissions to congress and on disclosure forms without going to jail. This also proves he was in contact with one of the rumored sources for the Steele Dossier. (Both source D and E are alleged to be Sergei Millian) and he specifically withheld these documents even though congress requested them showing he knows they get him in deep doo doo.

>Mike Pence Faces Resignation Calls After Letter Found Proving He Covered Up Mike Flynn Scandal
Cedric Nuvingfuck - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:14:15 EST ID:DFlLNIpA No.163451 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You made a typing error there bro, you meant to type 2017 American politics summarized but you accidentally seem to have typed This whole thread summarized. No worries I can see how that could be an easy typo. I got what you meant.
Barnaby Billingstock - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:17:38 EST ID:Eql9Bxpy No.163458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>It's best to ignore them.
DNC policy and electoral strategy in a nutshell.
Phoebe Turveyforth - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:26:13 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't get it. Both democratic presidential candidates ran on platforms of helping workers (increasing wages, giving people access to education/training, etc.) and expanding healthcare. Neither referred to climate change as a "Chinese hoax" either...
Graham Blosslebury - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:17:33 EST ID:zjux8l9D No.163464 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yet both candidates have stocks and are in the pockets of big oil and do little to stop fracking and the violent suppression of native protest. All politics are for bourgeoise scum. What is it going to take for people to realize this? The Democrats aren't desirable saviors for working people as much as Republicans aren't lmfao.
Graham Dizzlewirk - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:25:43 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A Panama tower carries Trump's name and ties to organized crime

This is huge. We have someone admitting that the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower in Panama was basically a front for laundering money for criminals like drug cartel bosses and Russian mobsters. The building is empty and unused for anything other than parking illegally obtained cash.
Graham Dizzlewirk - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:42:06 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Special Counsel Mueller Issued Subpoena for Russia-Related Documents From Trump Campaign Officials
Graham Dizzlewirk - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:44:52 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's a link to the article that's not behind a paywall.
Esther Shittingwater - Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:22:23 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Paywalls can be avoided by going into incognito mode. Just a heads up. Good articles.
Graham Dizzlewirk - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:59:07 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Kushner failed to disclose outreach from Putin ally to Trump campaign

Jesus Christ, Kusher caught in another series of lies.

First he failed to disclose emails with a Russian mafia Godfather who was trying to set up a meeting to pass along a message from Putin. (A meeting Trump Jr later attended). He also specifically told congress he had no knowledge of anyone in the campaign being in contact with wikileaks, but Jr. had sent him an email about his conversations with wikileaks. It's just over and over with this guy.
Jack Brookstock - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:53:47 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yep. But he will skate every single time because money always walks.

That said, if someone popped a cap in his skull and I was on the jury, I'd be up for acquittal.
Hamilton Piggleladging - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 06:33:54 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>because money always walks.

But he's a BILLION fucking dollars in debt for crying out loud!

I have to believe there are some Republicans who will do the right thing here and the slow wheels of justice are churning quietly in the background and that any day now there will be some consequences. Manafort already has an ankle bracelet. We knew about his shit from reports in the media for years now and yet it still took months from the start of the investigation for anything to happen, but when it did happen they showed they were serious.
Polly Clollyville - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 05:53:40 EST ID:4L6J0rNP No.163531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its both.
Russia pulled a USA move and used info and did info campaigns to sew dissent. The DNC and GOP are both corrupt as fuck so they hardly had to do anything.
Go ahead and impeach trump. Then we're left with someone equally as shitty, maybe worse.
The major lesson here is that we need to dismantle the DNC and the GOP for being so horrible that their actions left us wide open for outside influence.
William Billingridge - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:48:33 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Unfortunately the gop would never have it. Republicanism is a form of religion in America right next to Christianity and guns.
Jack Washtock - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:49:27 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Next to?
More like above.

Mark my words, Alabama will be OK electing a pedo since he is a GOP pedo and not a Dem pedo.
Edwin Pigglekun - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:27:14 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The DNC and GOP are both corrupt as fuck

They are both corrupt, but to imply the magnitude of corruption is the same would be naive, the GOP is worse by far. Remember that the Russians hacked both the Democrats and the Republicans but that only the Democrat's data was released and basically no big corruption was found. Whatever they found on the republican's servers could have easily been used to blackmail them into playing nice with Russia. They helped many congressional GOP races too, remember the DCCC was hacked in addition to the DNC and we have proof that some GOP congressional campaigns got help from the Russians, some of which involved asking for it which immediately exposes the campaign to Russian blackmail because if you ask the Russians for help and they record that ask and then give you help which you then use, all they have to do is threaten to release the proof that you asked for it. I'm sure they set up as many carrots and sticks as possible. They already had their dual citizen stooges donate heavily to the GOP and gave them election help in the form of hacking their opponents and giving that data to them and helping them with ads and online propaganda so we can see what the carrot is, the stick remains hidden for now, but I'm sure it exists.
Sidney Baddleshaw - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:52:39 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So in April 2016 we here in the Netherlands had a referendum about allowing Ukraine into some parts of the various EU trade agreements. That referendum ended in a "No".

Turns out that just before the referendum hit, various fake stories on Ukraine were unleashed on Dutch social media from Russia.

So the Russians have been doing this kind of shit way before the American elections.
Betsy Bemmermun - Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:03:21 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On a related note, Russia is now the only nation in the world that doesn't have kiddie porn laws. Japan even has some now.

No wonder 4Chins loves Russia so much...
Fucking Gerringchot - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:56:50 EST ID:+5q0zMgm No.163548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So you're really gonna say that the DNC aren't nearly as corrupt, even though they took away your candidate and replaced him with a neocon loving Wall Street lobbyist?

Good mental gymnastics. Idk why you would have allegiance to them. They're just as shitty as the GOP, the GOP just uses more obvious tactics.
Lydia Crishstere - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:37:43 EST ID:lWlEy1EO No.163549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I miss the good ol' days when gullible idiots weren't so easily abused by foreign nations as propaganda tools.
Hedda Fanningpack - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:49:17 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>So you're really gonna say that the DNC aren't nearly as corrupt, even though they took away your candidate and replaced him with a neocon loving Wall Street lobbyist?

>your candidate

Listen, every time somebody tries to point out the new layers of foundational corruption that keep getting unearthed in the GOP, saying "but the dems are exactly as corrupt because of the Bernie sabotage" doesn't really hold up as fully equal when the dems didn't vote a Russian mob money laundering pawn as their president, the dems aren't trying to fuck up taxes further for the lower classes, the dems aren't trying to kill net neutrality, the dems aren't rife with pedophile enablers. And yet the list of Democrat dirty laundry always seems to start and end with shillary.

So I guess you have the freedom to view this as a black & white issue but when comparing corruption between the two unfortunate choices Americans have for their forced political binary, I see shades of grey, where the dems are far from spotless but the repubs are definitely way further in the darker end of the spectrum. because of this the repubs are always found chronically desperately and falsely virtue signaling to distract their constituents from their personal corruption.
Henry Nummlewig - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:39:57 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hey man, /n/ is for sharing "World News", not "Shitty Opinions".

My favorite is how the author claims this is all a "liberal witch hunt", then goes on to point out that US Congress passed a bill to force RT America to register as a ‘foreign agent’.

Yes. The liberal US Congress. Give me a break. A Russia interfering in other countries' democratic elections shouldn't be a partisan issue, but here we are.
Beatrice Dronderbanks - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:56:41 EST ID:hmIbmp5i No.163557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh wow, mods are actually deleting anything that opposes American foreign policy consensus, now?

Are you going to start deleting anti-Iraq war posts, too, Spunky? You gonna start running ads for Northrap Grumman and AIPAC while you're at it?
Polly Nanderway - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:05:17 EST ID:Rtfhndq0 No.163558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It begs the question of whether Russophobia has become the acceptable form of racism for a liberal class whose hypocrisy is only exceeded by its mendacity?
It absolutely has. People on this board treat Russians the same way stormfront treats Jews.

A Russian drug board recently went down for a few days and the users hung out here in the meantime; so of course people on here and /pol/ were freaking about about spies and infiltrators and body-snatchers and shit. Regardless of whether Putin is the Chaos God he's supposed to be or not, the hostile and paranoid way that centrists talk about Russians nowadays is honestly a little frightening and gross. It reminds me of how Republicans post-9/11 worked themselves up into a rabid Islamophobic frenzy.

Ethnic paranoia isn't cool no matter how many elections are at stake, you guys.
Polly Nanderway - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:08:08 EST ID:Rtfhndq0 No.163559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
...OK, nevermind, apparently CounterPunch is banned reading material on 420chan?

Has that always been the rule? Are there any other banned lefty publications we should be aware of? Nb
Henry Nummlewig - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:25:40 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It absolutely has. People on this board treat Russians the same way stormfront treats Jews.

I don't know what to tell you. People on this board don't want to ethnically cleanse Russians from the planet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>A Russian drug board recently went down for a few days and the users hung out here in the meantime; so of course people on here and /pol/ were freaking about about spies and infiltrators and body-snatchers and shit.

LOL, no. This didn't happen. These boards are so slow, you can just look at them and see this isn't the case.

Try dialing back the victim complex a little if you want to be taken seriously.
David Sollerwill - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:27:10 EST ID:7eOQMK+h No.163561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anyone heard about that 1hr phone talk?
Fucking Drecklefidge - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:32:25 EST ID:7ti2xIYK No.163562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>hey man, /n/ is for sharing "World News", not "Shitty Opinions".
Jesus, how entitled are you? You feel like you should be allowed to dump your foreign policy opinions all day every day but nobody else is allowed to offer a different one?

Fuck you, you don't get to unilaterally declare what is and isn't allowed to be discussed on the news board. Only an intellectual coward demands that mods delete articles that disagree with your opinion.
Henry Nummlewig - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:41:52 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't demand anything & I already pointed out how the guy's premise is wrong. It doesn't matter how many times you repost that link, it will always point to BS.
James Blendleman - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:48:01 EST ID:YY+Diuqx No.163564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>People on this board don't want to ethnically cleanse Russians from the planet.
You know that's literally the same defense that Richard Spencer et al. use, right? "We don't want to genocide the Jews or the Muslims, we just want to obsess over their every transgression and expose them as scheming plotting enemies of the West who are not to be trusted... but we aren't saying we want to kill them, so you can't get mad at us! Stop getting mad at us!"

There's a dedicated Islamophobia thread on this board that gets bumped every time a Muslim terror attack happens, in which the same handful of people post article after article justifying their obsessive distrust of all thing Muslim and blaming Muslims for every political distinction on the world. A constant, rolling two-minute hate against foreigners with a nakedly political bent. I fail to see how your xenophobic obsession is any less deplorable than theirs, simply because you're scared of Cyrillic rather than squiggles. Two sides to the same ethno-obsessive coin.
James Blendleman - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:51:55 EST ID:YY+Diuqx No.163565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>every political disruption in the world* nb
Cyril Bluffingdock - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:04:33 EST ID:NQp9zTYD No.163566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>My favorite is how the author claims this is all a "liberal witch hunt"
No he doesn't. That quoted phrase does not appear in the article at all. He does mention the "liberal political and media class" to say that they embraced the anti-Russia narrative, which they obviously have (along with the neocons and centrists). That's not really in dispute, liberal pols and media are perfectly happy to tell us how much they distrust Russia, so that's not untrue by any stretch. But what you said, specifically, does not appear in that article at all.

You are a liar.
James Greendock - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:21:24 EST ID:W3zouOFt No.163569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>you goddamn fucking mongoloid smegma eating chucklefuck.
Yes, this is the behavior of a mature, reasonable, thoughtful adult and definitely not exactly the sort of autistic screeching one would see on the future.

Also, I'm not sure that calling people "mongoloids" is the best way to show how not slavophobic you are.
Rebecca Sonderbune - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:23:35 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Anti Russia narrative
If Russia doesn't want to be seen as bad actors in a country, they shouldn't act badly. Reporting facts isn't a narrative.

I mean shit, the liberals, neocons AND centrists all agree with this? Who is left?
Emma Bemmlesture - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:34:48 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was here for that and almost everyone was friendly and chill regarding the russians from lolifox. People are able to separate the actions of a hostile government and intelligence operation from the actual citizens. We don't blame the average citizen for their government being criminal scum or we would end up hating almost the entire world.
Clara Giddlecocke - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:41:22 EST ID:axrJ097H No.163572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Most liberal pols, neocons, centrists and mainstream media all agreed on Iraq, too.

Can we assume that you were beating that drum, too, accusing anyone who expressed doubts of being terrorist sympathizers or Baathist shills?
Samuel Brookway - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:44:40 EST ID:9C6x3nwc No.163573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I was here for that and almost everyone was friendly and chill
>almost everyone
Yeah, meaning not everyone. Meaning some people were not chill. Those would probably be the ones he was talking about.


Rebecca Sonderbune - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:01:35 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know what to tell you. I don't ignore all the facts pointing to Russian interference. You're welcome to keep your head in the sand, though.
Samuel Brookway - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:09:15 EST ID:9C6x3nwc No.163575 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So that's a yes, then? You believe that, because liberal centrist and neocon pols/media broadly agreed that Iraq had WMDs and needed to be invaded, the mere existence of that bipartisan agreement was proof that Iraq had WMDs and needed to be invaded?

Or does this line of thinking only apply when you want it to apply?
Rebecca Sonderbune - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:09:05 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Putting words into people's mouths
Grow up.
Beatrice Tillingbury - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:20:49 EST ID:w40oFICD No.163577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Asking questions isn't putting words in people's mouths. It's actually doing the opposite, because it gives you the opportunity to deny that interpretation and to explain exactly how that line of thinking applies in one instance and not the other.

If you're too chickenshit to actually answer the question and explain your position, that's not other people putting words in your mouth. That's you being a pussy. And you don't get to whine when other people choose to interpret your deliberate silence however they choose to and speculate as to the meaning of that silence. You have every opportunity at any moment to give an answer.

So here's another shot: if bipartisan beltway consensus is proof that a given foreign policy narrative is correct, does that mean the post-9/11 narrative about Iraq was correct? If not then, then why would it now?
Henry Nummlewig - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:26:52 EST ID:aoVW/bWI No.163578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>So that's a yes, then?
Yeah, that's putting words in people's mouths. The guy went full blown straw man by arguing about Iraq in a thread about Russia. If you want to talk about Iraq, make a thread about Iraq, because our positions on Iraq hold no bearing here. In case I need to draw a map: they're two different countries.

I know distractions, ad hominem and strawman are your only shot of saving face though. Whatever helps you sleep at night...
Sidney Druppermock - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:36:42 EST ID:uUP7Hqmw No.163579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>If you want to talk about Iraq, make a thread about Iraq
If you're going to pull that "politicians on both sides agree therefore it must be true" bullshit then people are going to bring up prominent, world-famous counterexamples of how that line of thinking has failed before. If not Iraq then bank deregulation, or NAFTA, or the Patriot Act, or mass incarceration, or the Drug War, or selling out to Saudi Arabia. There are a million and one examples where liberal pols and neocon pols agreeing on a thing did not automatically make that thing a good idea (unless youbthink those things were good ideas, which seems increasingly likely). People absolutely have the right to bring them up to challenge your way of thinking.

Demanding that other people aren't allowed to challenge your argument or bring up counterexamples is the most entitled shit in the world. And the longer you conspicuously go out of your way to avoid addressing them, the weaker your argument looks.
Cyril Sonkinshaw - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:39:50 EST ID:MYQHocdD No.163580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're still avoiding answering the question. Why should we trust liberals and necons telling us to be scared of foreigners when that has led us down so many bad paths before?

Are you allowed to answer that question?
Hedda Fanningpack - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:33:46 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why should we trust conservatives and money laundering pawns?

Nobody is telling anybody to be afraid of Russians you fear mongering propagandist, sensible minded Americans just want to get to the bottom of the obvious Russian collusion that helped put trump in office, that conservatives are desperately trying to hide, which brings up that old saying, if conservatives didn't collude then why are they trying so hard to obstruct justice? Why are they shitting their pants over the meuller investigation?
Beatrice Fittingshaw - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:36:54 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>It begs the question of whether Russophobia has become the acceptable form of racism for a liberal class
>"I'm not racist you goddamn fucking mongoloid"

I guess that answers that question.
Polly Fandock - Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:50:19 EST ID:5p06LIn/ No.163594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
because no one is actually saying "trust liberals and necons"? frame your question in a way that isn't profoundly retarded and maybe you can get a clearer answer.

now answer this, then: why should we trust putin when he says he dindu nuffins? when there is both a clear motive and means for russia to interfere the way they're accused of? are we just supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt?
David Carringtune - Thu, 23 Nov 2017 03:02:19 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>are we just supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt?

That's exactly what republicans want; everybody else to completely accept people's words at face value, because a populous is easy to control if you can get them to not ask questions.

"He said he didn't collude, you can only ask the guy so many times."
Hannah Simmlechon - Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:46:28 EST ID:DFlLNIpA No.163673 Ignore Report Quick Reply

really? i thought the go-to line of republicans defending drumpf was "you gotta listen to what he MEANS not what he SAYS" and then scratch their heads in confusion when he does exactly what he said.
William Pockforth - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:20:14 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oleg Deripaska owns the house right next door to Kellyanne Conway, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Pay no mind to the fact that he has paid tens of milllions of dollars to Manafort for his work on a plan to "influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin’s government" and was offered "private briefings " about the election campaign from Manafort.

>The Russian billionaire next door: Putin ally is tied to one of D.C.’s swankiest mansions
William Pockforth - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:46:21 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A #TrumpRussia Confession in Plain Sight

So apparently one of Putin's top internet propagandists was talking openly about their work with Cambridge Analytica to influence the election for Trump just days after the election and no one noticed. He said their work started in 2012 and wasn't limited to the US. They also wanted to install leaders in other countries like France and create a big alliance with Russia between them all. Some of the things he talked about were mentioned far ahead of the media reports on them.

It also mentions that Flynn met with the head of Austria's far-right freedom party who offered to act as “a neutral and reliable intermediary and partner” between the incoming Trump administration and the Kremlin and touches on the connections between Russia and many of Europe's far right parties.
Jenny Nugglefoot - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:52:33 EST ID:UU94D2jQ No.163711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Must you keep obsessively bumping this every time you get a bug up your ass for how much you hate foreigners?

Muslims aren't responsible for your political leaders and civic society failing you. Stop blaming others for your culture's internal shortcomings.
Nigel Sicklecocke - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:03:19 EST ID:Qm76cndT No.163713 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Are you in the wrong thread?
Matilda Drugglenerk - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:52:02 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The ban I got for that post was deserved, yes. But you're still a fucking idiot for not understanding WHY I made that post.
Kremlin =/= Russia.
Putin =/= the Russian people.

Just like Trump =/= the USA.

Is that so hard to understand?
Cornelius Dunderdock - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:59:52 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163727 Report Quick Reply

I doubt anyone is specifically putting the blame on the Russian people. Almost everyone understands that the Kremlin and Putin specifically, are to blame for this.
Reuben Greenridge - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:02:10 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tell that to the brainwashed the future circlejerk Cripplechan drones that seem to think any kind of critical thought about what those cocksucking mafia fascist fucks in the Kremlin do means you're a reincarnated Teuton ready to crusade the Slavs.
Sidney Maddletore - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:21:53 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
except no one here is actually blaming the russian people/citizens in the first place (at least that I'm aware of, please point out cases where they are if there are any).

the "russian" in OP's title refers to the russian government, for instance. no one's trying to kill or even demonize ethnic russians, just shit all over putin and his kremlin ilk.
Graham Fockledod - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:37:23 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Follow the chain up of the guy you're responding to. Someone claimed this thread is to Russians what stormfront is to Jewish folks.

They derailed the thread for a while, and trolled this guy into a temp ban, so they got what they wanted.
Thomas Sandersutch - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:46:11 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.163731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>you're a reincarnated Teuton ready to crusade the Slavs.
Hey, no one said we should crusade anybody at this point.
But we didn't have Russians meddling in the democratic process of other nations back when the Teutonic Order was in power.
Hugh Ballerman - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:22:00 EST ID:m2XgdObO No.163732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Tell that to the brainwashed the future circlejerk Cripplechan drones that seem to think any kind of critical thought about what those cocksucking mafia fascist fucks in the Kremlin do means you're a reincarnated Teuton ready to crusade the Slavs. Methinks the lady doth protest way, way too much.

Like calm down, seriously. Don't turn this into a crusade.
Ernest Beblingchadge - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:33:13 EST ID:0xiRgDvi No.163738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>they have infiltrated our political system
>they have bought off our political figures
>they undermine our war efforts
>they undermine faith in the system
>they are to blame for our social and political unrest
>they are riling up the Negros
>they are scheming to destroy the West
>they are using our media to brainwash the masses
>they have spies and shills everywhere
>if you think I'm being paranoid then you're a shill
Ehh, it's a fair comparison. This thread reads like something straight outta the future /pol/, including the dog-whistle references to crusaders and Mongols.
Sidney Maddletore - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:35:59 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
still not seeing that post. mind pointing it out? all i see are accusations of hostility towards russian people, which seem to be there mostly to deflect the topic away from criticism of the russian government.
Walter Brunderpare - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:58:46 EST ID:GNRxlzSa No.163740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>gets a temp ban for ad hominems and autistic screeching
>"the Russian shills made me do it, it's not my fault!"
Lol. This thread has taken "not taking responsibility for one's failings" and elevated it into an artform.
Lydia Pittford - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:04:05 EST ID:Ub4JbYwm No.163741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Someone claimed this thread is to Russians what stormfront is to Jewish folks.
That's an accusation that this thread is akin to an anti-Jew thread on Stormfront. Not someone actually comparing Russians to Jews.

If you're so insistent that this thread is outright hostile to the people of Russia, it should be easy enough for you to copy paste those posts or just lin to them. Come on now, do it.

Otherwise this is just a deflectionary tactic being used to try and red-herring the thread and get people to go on the defensive about how they're not slavophobic or whatever, thereby diverting attention away from Russian GOVERNMENT interference in the democratic institutions of foreign nations.
Thomas Sandersutch - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:07:41 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.163742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No, it's really not, no one here thinks it's just random Russians doing this, it's the Russian government.
If you want to bring jews into this, we see your logic used when people try to conflate criticism of the Israeli government bombing population centers with antisemitism.
Spunky - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:08:46 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163743 Report Quick Reply

I, for one do wish for a Slavic purge. Mostly from the internet though. Slavs ruin games, sound like mumbling drunken retards and do nothing but post CP spam. BRING BACK THE IRON CURTAIN!
Shit Puggleman - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:35:57 EST ID:kI9BeD+p No.163744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>But we didn't have Russians meddling in the democratic process of other nations back when the Teutonic Order was in power.
Reuben Greenridge - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:52:35 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Err, I got the ban. Not the guy you're replying to. This website has poster ID's you know. If you care about the discussion and aren't some forumsliding outsider, you'd put some more care in your posts.
Hedda Blunningdure - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 09:00:56 EST ID:lk9OJRy2 No.163770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Dems didn't vote a Russian mob money launderer president
No, they voted for an unrepentant Wall Street lobbyist and friend of neo cons. Slightly less shitty.
Everyone knows they're both corrupt as fuck, but you're still sitting here saying "well the dnc is slightly less corrupt than the GOP." It's fucking ridiculous. They're both FUCKED, bought and paid for and not representing you. Why do you have a preference between them when either one will sell you out. Do you not have any principles besides liking the one that's slightly less shitty.
>GOP constantly virtue signaling to distract from their corruption
Yeah probably, but the irony in that statement is fucking extreme.
>I see shades of grey
>I'm fucking brainwashed to vote for a party that will sell me out every chance it gets.
Cedric Sarringman - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 09:24:03 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's what you get with a retarded 2 party system. but americans are too dumb and prideful to admit this.
>buh buubbuhbour founding fathers were so smart!
>saying our system sucks means they weren't so smart after all so dun say dats!
>murka wooo! USA USA!

until that's fixed it'll always be shit sandwich vs giant douche. not voting isn't gonna help. voting 3rd party could even be worse. so in that sense he isn't wrong in simply choosing the lesser of two evils for the time being.
Priscilla Settingfield - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 11:31:18 EST ID:68HoD7nq No.163774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So Michael Flynn just sung like a bird:

>Plead guilty to lying to the FBI
>Promised full cooperation with Mueller's team
>Ready to testify against Trump
>Admitted that as a candidate, Trump directed him to make contact with the Russains
Polly Smallham - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 15:30:24 EST ID:cYqj28KQ No.163775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
since this is /n/:

i expected flynn to flip, but the bit about being directed by trump directed him to talk to the russians? WHOAH, NELLY!
Ernest Nicklebury - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 16:45:47 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is it guys. It's the beginning of the end. Flynn is at the center of everything. He will implicate everyone. The fact that Kushner was brought in to talk about Flynn right before this is a good indication that Kushner is next. They brought him in to get them to lie to them about things Flynn told them. Also, they gave Flynn a sweet deal because his proffer implicated someone they wanted just as much or worse than him and there's not a lot of people higher up on the food chain than the national security advisor. Odds are he gave them something that directly incriminates Trump himself. The news that Trump ordered Flynn's sanctions negotiations directly implicates Trump on conspiracy to violate the Logan act (if that's a thing anyway, I don't really know for sure). I'm sure by the end of this they're going to have better charges than that to throw at him. Probably witness tampering and obstruction of justice charges. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump said something to Flynn after he publicly offered to cooperate in exchange for immunity that got him to stay silent until now.
Hannah Crullykit - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 17:21:08 EST ID:GNRxlzSa No.163777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>This is it guys. It's the beginning of the end. Flynn is at the center of everything.
Cornelius Bunhood - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:19:41 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.163781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want to see the security camera footage from the prison when Jared gets raped for the first time.
Angus Fackledock - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:01:43 EST ID:DFlLNIpA No.163782 Ignore Report Quick Reply

i dont think that happens in white collar prison
Hedda Grimford - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:12:19 EST ID:1fIHantD No.163783 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Flynn got a plea bargain. Do you even understand what that means?

The only guys he could've fucked to save his own skin is Trump, Trumper and Trumpest.
Or in other words the top dogs of his trashy dynasty. Currently we have some weighty rumours that Kushner has been implicated by Flynn.

Where will this shit end? Only Santa knows
Hugh Denderbot - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 20:24:39 EST ID:h5H0ijAD No.163784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So ABC retracted their initial story and provided a clarification that the Trump-Flynn shit happened during the post-election transition, not during the campaign. What a colossal fuck-up by ABC.
Phineas Dummlewitch - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 20:27:27 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks, Santa!
Phineas Dummlewitch - Fri, 01 Dec 2017 20:35:55 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nicholas Wadgelodging - Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:11:15 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Operative Offered Trump Campaign ‘Kremlin Connection’ Using N.R.A. Ties
Lydia Purryhid - Sun, 03 Dec 2017 19:41:03 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.163815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Nell Mottingwater - Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:30:18 EST ID:FSs6WcRc No.163816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Merry Christmas!
Edwin Grandford - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:12:58 EST ID:oYIWxW++ No.163837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why Putin’s Foes Deplore U.S. Fixation on Election Meddling
> What most disturbs Mr. Putin’s critics about what they see as America’s Russia fever is that it reinforces a narrative put forth tirelessly by the state-controlled Russian news media. On television, in newspapers and on websites, Mr. Putin is portrayed as an ever-victorious master strategist who has led Russia — an economic, military and demographic weakling compared with the United States — from triumph to triumph on the world stage.
> “The Kremlin is of course very proud of this whole Russian interference story. It shows they are not just a group of old K.G.B. guys with no understanding of digital but an almighty force from a James Bond saga,” Mr. Volkov said in a telephone interview. “This image is very bad for us. Putin is not a master geopolitical genius.”
This thread plays right into Putin's hands.
Augustus Meffingpeg - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:24:29 EST ID:GL8VpZyZ No.163838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Careful, now, you're gonna get banned.
Fanny Pockshit - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:39:59 EST ID:u+r6dgMY No.163840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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inb4 nytimes.com gets added to the filter list ;)
Angus Hoddlenark - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:37:22 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163852 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Manafort worked on op-ed with Russian while out on bail, prosecutors say

Ebenezer Drarringbeck - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:38:52 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163854 Report Quick Reply


Article from non-"librul" site.
Edwin Droddlewut - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:21:17 EST ID:DSUvrKv+ No.163859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russia banned from 2018 Winter Olympics due to systemic cheating


>Russian authorities have never acknowledged any involvement in doping, and president Putin has suggested the allegations are an attempt to sow discontent in the build-up to March's presidential elections.
Emma Sublingshit - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:38:32 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>“The image of Putin’s Russia constructed by Western and, above all, American media outlets over the past 18 months shocks even the most anti-Putin reader in Russia,” Oleg V. Kashin, a journalist critical of the Kremlin, wrote last week in Republic, a Russian news site. He complained that the American media has consistently misconstrued the way Russia works, presenting marginal opportunists and self-interested businessmen with no real link to the Kremlin as state-controlled agents working on orders from Mr. Putin.
Sounds about right. Kind of like how every young Middle Eastern male is a terrorist or "enemy combatant" until we say otherwise or blow him up.
Nell Draggledock - Wed, 06 Dec 2017 06:27:01 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163915 Report Quick Reply

You've been trying pretty damn hard to derail the thread. A few threads here, actually. What exactly is your angle, friend-o? Do you not think charges of treason should be investigated?
Augustus Dangerford - Wed, 06 Dec 2017 06:30:37 EST ID:lWlEy1EO No.163916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe Russia wouldn't have this problem if Putin didn't just shrug and said "lol, wasn't me" whenever he's confronted with any aspect of the sleazy corrupt actions taking place in his country.
Samuel Cackleturk - Wed, 06 Dec 2017 12:29:23 EST ID:0OHS9Upg No.163931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jesus man, are you really going to ban and delete everyone who disagrees with you?

I saw that post and there was nothing banworthy about it. You are turning into exactly the parody of a censorious scumbag that the frogposters accused you of being.
Angus Grandworth - Fri, 08 Dec 2017 08:08:21 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Investigators probe European travel of Trump associates

>Whistleblower: Flynn told colleague Russia sanctions would be 'ripped up'

>Transcript of Erik Prince's Testimony Before the House Intelligence Committee

>Devin Nunes spoke to Erik Prince about House Intel testimony despite recusal from the Russia probe
When asked in his testimony if he discussed his upcoming testimony with anyone, he outright denied it which seems to be directly contradicted by the reporting in this article

These are a few older articles I'm including for context

>White House May Share Nuclear Power Technology With Saudi Arabia

>Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channel

>Saudis said set to build 16 nuclear reactors with Russian help

The outlines of the conspiracy are really starting to come together. It was all about killing sanctions so they could build nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia with the help of the Russians and make a ton of cash. Prince, Macfarlane and Flynn all stood to make quite a bit of cash from this.
Albert Hicklematch - Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:23:21 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.164028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How fucking new are you, you fucking the future immigrant? Learn how permabans work on 420chan.
Beatrice Cuddlespear - Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:44:06 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A Russian Hacker Confessed to Hacking the DNC During the Election Campaign

Russian hacker says FSB ordered him to hack the DNC. Now we have confessions from the Russians about both the hacking and the misinformation campaign they carried out in the 2016 election.
Rebecca Blythecocke - Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:20:16 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.164141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I predict that Trump will eat a live baby on the air to distract attention.
Rebecca Blythecocke - Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:23:24 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.164143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, his constituency will laud the move as a brave statement on mexican/muslim immigration policy.
Cornelius Blabblenire - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:58:23 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Exposed: Kremlin-Linked Slush Funds Funnelling Money To Syria's Chemical Weapons Financiers

This doesn't quite fit the thread's topic as it doesn't have to do with Russia meddling in foreign democracies per se, but it does pertain to that topic indirectly because it gives more background into the matters that spurred the creation of the magnitsky act which was one of the most significant motivators behind Russia's interference in the 2016 US elections so I'll include it here.

>Overflights, mapping fiber-optic networks, “strange activities.” Moscow’s West Coast spies were busy.
Fuck Sirryworth - Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:34:41 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.164220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tread carefully with this story. It may be calculated. If this story ends up being debunked, people will use it as vindication against the Russia story.
Betsy Pittstone - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:02:46 EST ID:gZWVVsQl No.164221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tread carefully with this warning, it might be calculated. If what this warning is warning about turns out true den people will believe these things happen often yo lmao
Cornelius Borringpare - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 19:45:51 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Statement from Representative Adam Schiff:
>I’m increasingly worried Republicans will shut down the House Intelligence Committee investigation at the end of the month.

>Here’s why:

>Since March, our investigation has made important progress. We’ve interviewed numerous key witnesses behind closed doors, held public hearings, reviewed thousands of documents, identified new leads — all to understand and expose Russia's meddling and protect our democracy.

>Yet, Republicans have scheduled no witnesses after next Friday and none in 2017. We have dozens of outstanding witnesses on key aspects of our investigation that they refuse to contact and many document requests they continue to sit on.

>It appears Republicans want to conduct just enough interviews to give the impression of a serious investigation.

>Next week, they scheduled critical witness interviews out of state, when we are voting on the tax bill and vital government funding bills and no Members will be able to ask questions, in an effort to squeeze them in before end of year.

>These witnesses are willing to come to DC.

>Despite our repeated urging, Majority has declined to issue subpoenas in numerous avenues of the investigation, where there's simply no other way to get the information. Some refusals we’ve made public, like witnesses hiding behind nonexistent privileges, many others we haven’t.

>The responsibility to conduct a thorough investigation, or to prevent one, ultimately falls on @SpeakerRyan. I’m concerned he's heeding the calls of Bannon and @POTUS to “DO SOMETHING” by closing down the Russia investigation & opening up another investigation of Hilary Clinton.

>Beyond our investigation, here’s what has me really concerned: The attacks on Mueller, DOJ and FBI this week make it clear they plan to go after Mueller’s investigation.

>Aggressively and soon.

>By shutting down the congressional investigations when they continue to discover new and important evidence, the White House can exert tremendous pressure to end or curtail Mueller’s investigation or cast doubt on it. We cannot let that happen.


So Republicans are actively stonewalling this investigation. Why you ask? We don't know for sure. My guess is that it has to do with the RNC hack. People forget that the Russians didn't just hack the DNC and DCCC, they also hacked the RNC and yet they never released anything from the RNC hack and instead gave what they had hacked from the democrats to many republican campaigns. My guess is they uncovered some highly incriminating blackmail material and are using a carrot and stick approach. Oppose us and we release all the blackmail material, help us and we keep helping you get elected with our propaganda and hacking. Republicans are actively conspiring with the Russians. If you've been paying attention to the committee hearings you know Schiff isn't making this shit up, people like Erik Prince and Carter Page have outright refused to cooperate with the committee and they have the power to compell them to testify with subpoenas, but Republicans have made it quite clear they're not going to do that, even when they all know without a doubt that these witnesses are lying and withholding vital information.
Cornelius Borringpare - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 19:53:29 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Related article. We know that Kremlin linked Russians have pumped millions into the GOP already. Imagine what we don't know.

>How Putin's proxies helped funnel millions into GOP campaigns
Edwin Bongerhark - Fri, 15 Dec 2017 21:16:51 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.164243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The RNC "accidentally" left their data on an exposed cloud service and it was without question obtained by Russia. Because it's a 2 party system, all you need is a phone book (or search by town on Facebook) and 1 list of voters in your 2 party system to figure out were a majority of the population's political affiliation is and tailor misinformation that is not only palatable to them but tastes good each group. When everything is polarized that job is a lot less work than it sounds like. The point isn't to blackmail anyone, it's to sway opinion, sew discord and mislead.
There really wasn't any need to hack the DNC after they got the RNC voter records although judging by Hillary not being able to sign into the right account on outlook or even knowing how e-mail works makes me think the DNC didn't have the greatest security either.


One of the major pillars of non-conventional warfare is propaganda.
Ebenezer Boffingsack - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 03:36:44 EST ID:L5TUhxM7 No.164253 Ignore Report Quick Reply

can someone kick this motherfucker in the teeth already. It's bad enough he keeps bumping his thread when no one is paying attention to his awful sources
Cornelius Borringpare - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 08:54:45 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So what specifically in that report did you take issue with? The parts that are based on publicly available reports from the Federal Election Commission? Or was it the parts sourced from Bloomberg, ABC, The Washington Post, Forbes, Mother Jones, Quartz, The Center for Public Integrity, The Guardian, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, or the USA Today? Or did you take issue with the parts confirmed by the CIA? Or was it the Panama papers you take issue with? Just what exactly is it you don't like about the article? To me it seems extremely well sourced and credible.

Russia's attacks on democracy are the single most newsworthy series of events in my lifetime and I will continue to bump the thread when new information is uncovered.
Lydia Cusslehun - Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:26:23 EST ID:1T3JbaPj No.164268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
if all he did was shitpost an unrelated link just to bump the thread then there'd be an issue, yeah, but that's not what he's doing. he's staying on topic and making relevant points (whether I agree with those points aside). also have no idea what makes dallas news an unacceptable news source. not a huge publication, sure, but if he posted FOX, CNN, or MSNBC, people would still be complaining.

so what are some okay news soruces, then? please, oh wise, bestow upon us your sacred list of acceptable news sources.

all in all sounds more like
>mods plz ban he is saying things i disagree with VERY OFTEN
Doris Dammleshit - Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:23:41 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Senate Investigators Scrutinize Another Presidential Candidate: Jill Stein

There are also rumors and hints from people in the IC that there is a counterintelligence operation into MSNBC and FOX going on at the FBI related to help they gave spreading Russian propaganda. Just rumors at the moment, but I hope it's true, some of the stuff at Fox has been pretty blatant.
George Sottinghood - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:10:34 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.164383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This seems to me like she is a patsy here, she is going to be the Martha Stewart of this whole thing, a semi-popular woman who was no where near the forefront of whatever mess is going on here but takes the brunt of the punishment on the public stage to pacify the needs of the 24 hr news cycle while the people behind the scenes walk away. For our sake we better hope America is harder to take apart from the top down and pocket everyone's pension than Enron was. She better hope that we take treason as lightly as we do when people sabotage the economy so she can be out and hosting shows with a middle aged rapper by 2028.

Here is a pretty good piece comparing this to McCarthyism. They also say that the democrats are the main force behind these accusations and they are trying to clean the political landscape of anyone to the left of them. It makes sense, she protested DAPL and got arrested and the democrats looked bad in comparison, she even did that when one of theirs was in office. I didn't vote for Stein because she didn't have a clear plan and something was just off about her. I think LaRiva was the best choice but I didn't hear about that candidate until I got my ballot in the mail and googled them all. Mail are the way to go by the way, it takes a lot of the hassle out of the process, you can research your choices instead of being thrown off guard into a multiple choice test for a bunch of referendums and levies with numbers for names.

Jarvis Smallham - Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:24:00 EST ID:u35xloTz No.164387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>They also say that the democrats are the main force behind these accusations and they are trying to clean the political landscape of anyone to the left of them.
They tried to rehash the old "it's the Green party's fault that we lost to a moron" trick from back in the Nader days, but nobody was buying that shit this time around so this is their next best bet, I guess.
Phineas Buzzhall - Sat, 23 Dec 2017 09:19:45 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Jim Clapper Just Nuked the Trump Presidency

Jim Clapper called Trump a Russian asset on live television a few days ago. Finally someone who matters is saying it openly.

>Mueller Is Looking Into a U.S. Foundation Backed by Russian Money

>Authoritarianism expert: Russia hacked Lindsey Graham’s personal emails so Trump may be blackmailing him

I guess I'm not the only one who has considered the blackmail potential the Russians may have discovered in the RNC hack.
Sidney Brookcocke - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 01:30:27 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Russia meddling in Mexican election: White House aide McMaster
Albert Menkinlatch - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 03:17:11 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.164721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ay-yi-yi! Noticias falsas sobre mis amigos rusos! Es triste!
Beatrice Honeyhood - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 07:51:45 EST ID:D/XNaftA No.164722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>According to opinion polls, the frontrunner in the presidential contest is the leftist former mayor of Mexico City, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who is running on an anti-corruption platform.
That's what this is really about. Stopping the left and propping up neocolonialism. People like McMaster, the Trump administration and the ultranationalist chud that keeps necrobumping this thread desperately want to keep poor countries poor, and any threat to the current order by populist candidates is to be smeared as a Russian plot. It's the exact same playbook from the Cold War. If Obrador ends up winning anyway, expect him to be overthrown by mysterious far-right violent coup that will immediately be recognized and blessed by both parties in the American government.

How do we know that McMaster is full of shit and has ulterior motives? Because he has fuck all when it comes to details and refuses to give any when pressed:
>“You’ve seen, actually, initial signs of it in the Mexican presidential campaign already,” said McMaster, a former Army general. He did not elaborate in the clip on how Russia was seeking to influence the election.
>A request for comment sent to McMaster’s office at the White House and a request for comment from the Russian government in Moscow were not immediately returned on Sunday.
Barnaby Grandbanks - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:53:19 EST ID:u35xloTz No.164744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Lopez Obrador has been a fierce critic of Pena Nieto’s sweeping energy overhaul, which was favored by U.S. officials and oil companies.
Ah, yes, gotta put a stop to this. Can't let anything get in the way of our precious US oil companies and their profits. Better whip out that old Cold War narrative to justify keeping the beaners down.

Fuck off and die, you imperialist shitheel.
Phoebe Fepperchick - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:40:42 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.164764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Democratic report warns of Russian meddling in Europe, US

Not sure what's going on with the link name. It has nothing to do with the story.

Here's the report itself. It's long but I imagine very informative. I'll read it soon when I have the time.

The transcript for Fusion GPS's founder's testimony before congress was also released. The most important takeaways to me were that by the time they decided to take this to the FBI, they had already opened an investigation on the matter because they had a source from within the Trump campaign and that one of the sources in the Steele Dossier has already been killed as a result of it being published. Usually you would expect sources to be killed when they're leaking true information, not false information. The whole interview basically makes it seem like this was all very legitimate which is why I'm guessing Grassley didn't want to release it.

Caroline Fuckingstone - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:44:25 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.164765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not really that new, all European countries are setting up anti-Russian corruption probes and all, the Netherlands, Germany and the Baltic states at the forefront. The Baltic states because well, Putin wants to invade them badly, Germany because Putin has decided it wants to destroy the EU by flooding Germany with anti-muslim fake news, and the Netherlands because Putin is desperate to stop the MH17 investigation because the Russian government is basically a terrorist organisation now - and on top of that any investigation could reveal the identity of stateless mercenaries fighting in Ukraine who were actually ununiformed Russian soldiers proving that Russia invaded Ukraine - which would turn the civil war in Ukraine into an invasion by a foreign power allowing the EU and NATO to do much much much more for Ukraine.
Reuben Siddlecocke - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:21:44 EST ID:QsLi/uJm No.164769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Democrats still hate Russia, release report reminding us
Not exactly breaking news but ok
Isabella Shittingfoot - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:51:36 EST ID:aeq+kzpV No.164964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump

The Fusion GPS house testimony also dropped and he mentioned that they found that the Russians had been infiltrating the NRA for some time. Also says they found Trump had many connections to organized crime going back decades, first with the Italian mob, then the Russian mob.

Lydia Handerstine - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:36:07 EST ID:6ueykCqJ No.165000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Addressing a single leader's direct actions in our democratic discourse and process is the same as drumming up blind nationalistic hate against Eurasia.
Don't be that guy, anon. Nobody likes intellectual dishonesty.
Nicholas Fanworth - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:52:45 EST ID:BY8zveD3 No.165001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Also says they found Trump had many connections to organized crime going back decades, first with the Italian mob, then the Russian mob.

How is this not already widely accepted old-news? Oh wait... that's right. Trumpite republicans plugging their ears and denying reality.
Hugh Denderhere - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 20:56:43 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.165008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i mean i'd be pissed too if another country was fucking with my country's demcratic process...
Phineas Simmlechen - Sun, 21 Jan 2018 01:16:27 EST ID:eIq4RO4S No.165011 Ignore Report Quick Reply


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