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White boy den done it again! by Martin Warringspear - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 10:46:20 EST ID:6GchCaMQ No.162999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/thornton-colorado-walmart-shooting-denver-suburb-3-killed-suspect-at-large/?linkId=44230058

Stay alert stay safe, shooter still at large.
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Basil Dugglenag - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 13:40:02 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We must jail all whites until we figure out what's going on!
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Frederick Dimmlenot - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:21:32 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163005
Don't be extreme. We just need to deport all the whites.
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Basil Dugglenag - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:24:15 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163006
Sorry, I guess that is a bit much... Yeah, we should probably go with your suggestion instead. It's more humane.
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Walter Chennerdock - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:43:02 EST ID:elthrCBJ No.163008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163005
Why do they always complain about Muslim terrorism while ignoring the epidemic of white-on-white crime? Don't they want to take responsibility for the violence in their own communities? Why does the lamestream media avoid discussion of white-on-white superpredators?

Answer me that, librulz.
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Basil Dugglenag - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:30:35 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163008
It's a taboo topic to even suggest that white culture has it's problems. Forget about even mentioning that whites could potentially be part neanderthal. We live in a politically correct culture that stifles all communication
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Polly Manningham - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:37:39 EST ID:xYibVs35 No.163012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163005
How does this comment even make sense?
Muslim citizens were never mentioned by Trump. Only new arrivals, since you know... we're at war with ISIS and there has been at least 2 mass shootings from their supporters in the US.

A country can close down 100% of immigration if it wants.

And since you're so obsessed with skin color, what was the tone of the fellow who ran over those 8 cyclists in NY a few days ago?
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Polly Manningham - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:40:18 EST ID:xYibVs35 No.163013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163011
Because all the data shows the biggest violent crime problem is latinos and blacks.
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Archie Cuttingfuck - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:39:56 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163012
>>163013
You really can't tell when you're being baited, 4skinner?
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Sidney Chesslehark - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:05:21 EST ID:aRjZiJtd No.163021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
there are many layers to this thread.
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Ernest Banningsudge - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:04:01 EST ID:6GchCaMQ No.163040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163013
>violent crime
>post a graph of firearm homicides

Jesus I knew you people were retarded and didn't read, but holy smokes, you people really are retards who don't read.
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George Buzzcocke - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:25:27 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Police say shoppers drew guns after shooting
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-police-suspect-colorado-walmart-shooting-50883278
what happened?! i thought good guys with guns were supposed to take care of bad guys with guns?! this wasn't even like vegas where the shooter was hundreds of meters away perched up in a tall building, so it wasn't the distance either.

so what gives, huh? how come the shooting wasn't stopped by all these brave concealed carry patriots?!
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Frederick Guvingtotch - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 06:42:33 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163041
Fact of the matter is that unless you're a hard motherfucker or have had experiences in gunfights (or are just plain fucking stupid gungho, like that dumbass motherfucker that tried to kill a public shooter but didn't realise there were two shooters and got blasted in the back while trying to be an hero), if someone walks around shooting people with a pocket revolver and you're packing a fucking minigun, even you will jump for cover and sit there crying surrounded by flying bullets and dead people, because that's how most people think.
"Oh shit, what is happening oh my god is this real life or is this just fantasy stuck in a landslide..."
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Nicholas Dozzlegold - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 20:18:17 EST ID:vxhRDQoa No.163079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163041
You should be glad. If you have too many "good guys with guns" a "bad guy with a gun" might well spark a confused shootout with all the collateral damage that implies.
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Phoebe Futtingwack - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 14:11:04 EST ID:qjgnDvcg No.163101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163040
>Murder isn't a violent crime
>you people really are retards who don't read

You want me to post rape rates?
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Phoebe Futtingwack - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 14:13:11 EST ID:qjgnDvcg No.163102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163041
I'm sure this post will change america's founding ideal on citizens owning guns. Well done. You did it. Fascist.
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George Clangerwill - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:02:26 EST ID:g7ZNzXTO No.163107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163102
Why can't you answer the question? It is a legitimate question.

Whenever shootings like this happen, that's always one of the main GOP/NRA talking points. "If only more people had guns, they could just shoot these people dead!" the argument is dragged out every time a shooting happens.

can you at least admit that's a dumb argument? or will you instead tell us how we actually just need even more guns?
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Ian Negglestere - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:32:54 EST ID:4JeWctuU No.163109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163101
Boy you went full retard. You say violent crime then post some shit you saw on Facebook that only covers one type of violent crime. You dumb as hell.
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Ernest Buzzcocke - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 19:33:44 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.163110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163102
There is a difference between owning a gun so you can get out there and fucking murder nazis when your country is fucking swarmed by the cunts, and walking around with an entire concealed arsenal on your person at all times so you can kill "public shooters" whereever they may show themselves (and of course, so you can kill hundreds of innocent people when you go a bit loopy after [insert mental problem here]).
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William Dimmlehone - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 20:45:43 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163111
>I mean do you remember the Clakamas Mall spree killing?

Yep. Heavy coverage. Even saw an interview with the failed "good guy shooter."
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Lillian Chidgedetch - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 22:20:52 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163111
It sure did take you a lot of words to not answer the guy's question.
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Simon Bommerwell - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:39:07 EST ID:s7FUL1fO No.163119 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163111
look i'm not going to jump down your throat here or anything since you did seem to put together a thoughtful response, which indo appreciate, but as mentioned my question was ultimately unanswered, which can be boiled down simply to: is the "good guy with a gun" a valid argument, or is it mostly bullshit as a response to dealing with mass shootings.

if i were to gather an answer from your response, i would guess it's a mixed bag, but leaning towards "it's mostly bullshit".

the clackamas example seems dubious at best. the gunman had already jammed his gun and was unable to reload by the time the bystander drew his gun at which point he didn't even fire. seems a more determined gunmam who wasn't a fumbling idiot could have pressed on, even killing the guy with cc. off duty cop seems a bit of a stretch to include in the random armed citizen category.

then you acknowledge that generally people aren't gonna jump into a situation like that.

regarding the confused wild west event, this was never mentioned as a concern in the first place.

you also seem to bring up a good point about cops potentially identifying the wrong target (sorry if im misinterpretin here). this was a concern shared amongst concealed carry folks at the vegas shooting. no one wanted to pull out their gun for fear that cops woupd misidentify them as one of thr shooters.

as to your last point, i think that's prettt hilarious. it's basically
>people don't react heroically with their guns because they're afraid of liberals' attitudes!
as if scrutinuzing your actions before you pull the trigger to take someone's life is a bad.

if you think zimmerman actually deserved to be let go, though, that's a whole 'nother thread.

so... do ypu think the whole "good guy with a gun" argument is mostly bullshit or not? even in the best example you provided, two people were still shot dead.

as you probably guessed, i'm leaning towards "bullshit". hardly any lives if at all are going to be saved from mass shooters thanks to your ordinary concealed carrier. it is not an effective deterrent.
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Polly Hazzlesock - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:45:05 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163111
oh an one more thing. you're using the term "neoliberal" incorrectly. neoliberals are not the opposite of neoconservatives, ie fringe or extreme liberals. it refers to an economic mindset rather asociated with laissez faire economic liberalism. in this sense, libertarians are more similar to neoliberals than your run of the mill "liberal" in US parlance

the Koch brothers, for instance, are good examples of what neoliberals are.
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Nathaniel Sapperdit - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 13:29:53 EST ID:N0JCk5qJ No.163122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163120
That's the first red flag he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

I would feel safer if they didn't have guns but at the same time I feel safer with one. I guess I'm a hypocrite for thinking like that but fuck it. They don't want me having one anyway because drug charges. Should have beat my girlfriend instead, then I could be in the open carry club. America's relationship with guns is fucked up. Only a certain kind of person can be loud and threatening and brandish guns and be called a "good guy", a certain melanin deficient kind of person if you catch my drift and they can only directly threaten straw men darker than them when putting on a tough face for the world.
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Edwin Crurryspear - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 19:25:29 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.163130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At least 26 dead in a Texas church shooting.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/deadliest-church-shooting-in-american-history-strikes-sutherland-springs-texas
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Samuel Hebblebury - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 19:51:07 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163130
Shooter was white, so it wasn't terrorism, and there is nothing we can do to prevent this next time.
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Phyllis Hobblespear - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:26:29 EST ID:mXmI4c7E No.163134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163131

what do you mean?
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Edwin Crurryspear - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:30:08 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.163135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163131
Prevent it? He was just exercising his American right to mass murder. He laid down his life for this country and them football players have the gall to refuse to stand for our troops and national anthem? Though I will say that it is a shame that 26 lives will never have the chance to buy a gun again.
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Phyllis Hobblespear - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:37:19 EST ID:mXmI4c7E No.163136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163135

You found a platform for your stand-up routine
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Ebenezer Brozzlewat - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:38:48 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163135
Sad day in this nation. 26 less NRA members clicking the "like" button on fellow freedom loving Americans posts about gun rights. These liberal pussies taking the knee should be put in jail! That's NOT what our good men fought and died for and to protect!

Why do liberals hate freedom so much?
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Samuel Hebblebury - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:56:17 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163134
When a shooter is white, they never get called a terrorist by the media, Trump, or even charged as such. When that asshole specifically shot up the Planned Parenthood in Colorado, he did so specifically "to scare people into not having abortions." Never labeled a terrorist. Never investigated as one. Despite ADMITTING to terrorism.

Just doesn't happen.

Also, all we will hear is "thoughts and prayers," and no talk about gun control.

BTW - Attack in NYC? Guy couldn't get a gun, so used a truck. 8 dead. Here? Guy can buy them in Walmart. 26 dead. Nobody will have the needed conversation on the Hill. Nobody. Just thoughts and prayers and ignore the rising tide of rampant killing.
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Lydia Genningwork - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 21:06:17 EST ID:jJUC7Lax No.163139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163138
Of course it's not terrorism. It's a marketing stunt to get more people to buy guns. Everyone knows gun sales have been slumping since a "conservative" took office.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/multiple-victims-after-texas-church-shooting/news-story/2a56e4c46d786486789273daae989d5e
>“As he exited the church a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged him,” said Freeman Martin from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

>The local man then chased the shooter in his car. Kelley was later found dead after going off the road in neighbouring Guadalupe County.

Remember, the only way to stop people with guns from killing people is to kill them with guns.
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Samuel Hebblebury - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 21:22:21 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163139
How did he "stop the death toll," when in 99% of these cases, the guy an heroes afterwards?
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Nigel Pobberwetch - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 21:24:06 EST ID:Pj5hq+zb No.163141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163139
lol, so he "stopped" him after he killed 26 people...

i wonder if conservatives are going to try to spin this as a success story for concealed carry...
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Barnaby Paddledit - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 21:45:34 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.163142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163130
Man, before this thread is even off the first page we get another one even worse.

Either we live in a world where the only rational choice is to have a gun on you at all times everywhere you go to protect yourself from other people who have guns or we just ban guns. Somehow everyone having the ability to murder anyone else at all times with just a twitch of their finger seems like a bad idea to me.
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Samuel Hebblebury - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 22:12:13 EST ID:2fJQ/aQA No.163143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163142
>Somehow everyone having the ability to murder anyone else at all times with just a twitch of their finger seems like a bad idea to me.

Stop being unreasonable...
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Ernest Guvingworth - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 22:51:41 EST ID:zMcYYr09 No.163144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163142
Here's the deal: do you want to live in a society where people are stewing in a constant murxerous rage? Ask why dudes are flipping out at all. It's because the world has gotten beyond fucking stupid.

> How about don't kill people in massacres though?

How about we work on making this a place where massacres truly are unthinkable because shit is actually that awesome?

> impossible.

Is it, Barnaby? Is it really?
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Eugene Smallwell - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 23:50:10 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163144
>How about we work on making this a place where massacres truly are unthinkable because shit is actually that awesome?
because as long as the population is large enough, therd will always be the oddball outloer who doesn't like things the way there are. or folks who are just crazy and want to cause chaos for the sake of chaos. with a big enough population you will always a small group of these people existing at all times. give them the means to do so and it will happen from time to time.

besides, somehow i don't think we're that close to utopia. not any time soon actually.
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Henry Nunnerworth - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 00:50:06 EST ID:zMIZIadd No.163146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163145
Uh, yeah, but what about having places where those killing spree urges can be exercized in a fulfilling way, such that a would-be shooter might be able to carry out something that FEELS like a reasonable facsimile of a killing spree without having to actually kill anyone?

They'd be able to test the waters and feel out what a killing spree is like, before trying to pull one off as some ridiculous ad-hoc amateur experiment in murder.

I think some of these dudes just get wrapped up in the sensational reporting on cable news and the internet, and there's this retarded curiosity that they need to satisfy, but if they were able to try their hand at killing a bunch of cows or something, and think over what that would translate to, if it were humans instead, and maybe also have a mock police chase and suicide simulation event with a forced sensory deprivation tank or something at the end, you know, it'd probably scratch the itch, so to speak.

But instead we have this black box of temptation, and some of these dudes just HAVE to pry the lid open and see what's inside. I think most of them get halfway through their plans and realize their choice was fucking stupid and actually pretty boring in it's results, but there's no going back, once they flush the toilet on themselves.
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Eliza Summleshit - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 05:19:25 EST ID:IrK43k42 No.163147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163146
It's doubtful that some kind of cathartic, blood soaked therapy session is going maggically rehabilitate anyone, but it probably would provide a gateway to communicating with dangerous anti-social people, although the cost of securing a shooting range so that some psycho can have a play date and slaughter cattle until they tire themselves out would be kind of ridiculous, and a place where this kind of thing is normal would be a surreal environment attracting a witches brew of strange characters.

It also doesn't guarantee that the root of this problem gets any attention. These acts are committed by individuals who no longer value their own lives, an expect the episode to result in their death. If it isn't suicide by cop, it's suicide by society, and from a philosophical perspective it's a decision that their own lives are worthless, and thus sacrificial within a greater act. So either they must find value in their own lives or they'll need to sacrifice themselves some other way, but that they sacrifice themselves in a way that punishes others means they also reject the society they are exiting. They do not wish to preserve with their sacrifice, but destroy. This is to say that the exit and destruction are mutualistic, and one would not exit without the other. There would be no great act of destruction as personal sacrifice, if they found something worth valuing, and if their exit was not desirable.

Anywho, if I were to chart an estimate for how many will die in violent exchanges before we see a fix come through, I'd figure anywhere from 10,000 to 50,000 might bite it, before drastic measures are taken. I mean murder rates in cities, year by year are worse. The only real difference with this shit is the sensational news cycle that eats all this shit up like bananas.
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Jack Blackford - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 05:44:50 EST ID:FjBd9VMx No.163148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Henry Shittingdock - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 06:30:33 EST ID:EI1TkGKO No.163149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Poor Impulse Control
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Ernest Nurringspear - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 06:50:35 EST ID:ZYtH5fSO No.163150 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163148

This is fake and gay.
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Samsara Siddhartha - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 06:51:16 EST ID:kX1qb4fA No.163151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163148
Can you verify this claim or are you simply shitposting?
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Cornelius Crondleridge - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 09:08:22 EST ID:6GchCaMQ No.163153 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163151
Literally the only sources on it from real news is that it’s a far right wing conspiracy with no proof. Most crediting info wars but he probably got it off the future.
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Edwin Crurryspear - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 09:15:11 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.163154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163153
Same shit happened with Charlottesville and Las Vegas. Thanks, Russia.
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Fanny Pecklesod - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 09:51:15 EST ID:K5tbISPQ No.163155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163145
>Oddball outlier
Becoming too frequent to call it that...

>>163144

>It's because the world has gotten beyond fucking stupid
How? The world is fine. What's stupid are these young white men who have fallen for neo Nazi propaganda and have been goaded by Russian fake news. Young white men have all the freedom in the world, and this is how they use it...
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Eugene Smallwell - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 10:29:05 EST ID:ojjwPRrO No.163156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163148
we had this with the vegas shooter too, remember?
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Ebenezer Brozzlewat - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 10:40:02 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.163157 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163155
> neo Nazi propaganda and have been goaded by Russian fake news.

Sums it up nicely. Well said. They be making a case if this was frustration against the oligarchs in our country redistributing wealth of the common man and bringing it to the richest in this nation. These people blame everything but the actual causes of their grief. Instead, their impressionable millennial minds get suckered in on the Breitbart narrative that the left is trying to enact "marxism" and that SJWs are chipping away at our freedoms, or some other insane worldview.
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Nigel Pobberwetch - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 11:17:22 EST ID:Pj5hq+zb No.163159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
straight from the Penicillin Producing Face's Mouth:

>This is a mental health problem
>This is not a gun thing
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/trump-says-texas-church-shooting-caused-by-mental-health-problem-not-guns.html

lelelelelelel. doesn't matter, we're not going to do anything about mental health in america either. as if that was the only factor that lead to the incident...

and holy shit, FOX news is already hailing the "good guy with a gun" as a hero over and over. so that's that. despite the fact that the gunman still managed to kill 26 fucking people, conservatives are spinning this as a success for the "good guy with a gun" theory. jesus christ...
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Martha Cugglefoot - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 12:06:11 EST ID:bvBziwaW No.163160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163157

As far as I'm concerned most of these shooters are a bunch of privileged white stallions who hate the fact that their sense of entitlement is being questioned en masses so they throw the mass murder equivalents of tantrums. In some cases it's conscious and takes an alt right form in others it's subconscious and takes a random form. The people doing shit like this are far from oppressed by capitalism. They're just a bunch of spoiled fucks who feel entitled to taking life.
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Nicholas Drillychark - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 12:52:59 EST ID:1fIHantD No.163163 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163160

I don't know man. This one seems more of a school-shooter/family-murder type spree to me. No explicit political motivations + family and relational ties to the congregation itself, I think personal affect has a lot more to do with this than greater societal forces.
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Martha Brobblewat - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 13:29:00 EST ID:RrFx2Ep6 No.163164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163163
Dude targeted a church with a black pastor, not a big concert.
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Ian Blythefoot - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 13:33:35 EST ID:/GBYNAvL No.163165 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163162
It sounds to me like your average school shooter can sometimes be a 4crapper taken to it's logical extremes and then a bit further. More insane. More isolated.

I think most people who do those things are a bit out the ordinary but the US has several hundred million people and a lot of guns and a culture which pressurises them more than most and gives them the ability to project power they lack. Even extremists are usually in a pretty low vulnerable place when they get picked up by radicalisers.

There's common threads of desperation with all these people and it's as batshit to pretend they don't exist at all as to think that makes them all the same or that those common threads alone are what does it.

But people like a simple answer because they can construct a narrative and just blame their villain of the day.
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Basil Cuckledock - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 14:41:42 EST ID:968EeELz No.163168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163164
To add, he killed himself before the cops could question him. That's literally out of ISIS' playbook.

>>163166
>But in reality, guns aren't even 10% of the problem here
Sure it's a multifaceted problem, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to solve the one facet you personally feel is the smallest.

No one, especially anyone with political knowledge or power, calls for a gun ban. Bringing it up is a weak ass straw man, dude. Try to argue against points people are actually making.
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Molly Dullystotch - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 14:52:23 EST ID:w4G8ki2H No.163169 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/devin-patrick-kelley-texas.html

>Friends on Facebook said that in recent years, Mr. Kelley had become vocally anti-Christian, to the point where many stopped communicating with him. His Facebook page, which has been deleted, listed that he liked a number of atheist groups.

>“He was always talking about how people who believe in God were stupid and trying to preach his atheism,” one of his Facebook friends, Nina Rosa Nava, posted on the site, saying she unfriended him because of it.

Oh, well hello there possible motive.
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Nigel Pobberwetch - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:36:58 EST ID:Pj5hq+zb No.163170 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163162
>I really, really doubt some "privileged" alt-righter would throw everything away just to kill some of his fellow church going white people.
>Your average kekistani isn't committing mass murder.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2015/11/25/three-men-who-shot-black-lives-matter-protesters-emerged-internet%E2%80%99s-racist-swamps
https://www.thedailybeast.com/youtube-trumpkin-and-former-milo-intern-kills-his-own-dad-for-calling-him-a-nazi

nah, it happens. and these are just the people we know to be 4/pol/ regulars.

likewise, most klansmen haven't actually gone out and lynched a bunch of blacks either, but that's not to say they shouldn't all be condemned unequivocally.

not saying this guy is a 4skinner too, but stop being an apologist for them at least.
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Nicholas Drillychark - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 16:58:13 EST ID:1fIHantD No.163171 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163168

>That's literally out of ISIS' playbook.

That's actually pretty standard for any such sprees, really.
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Eliza Nendledock - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 17:02:01 EST ID:gGNOCnaM No.163172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163162
>>Your average kekistani isn't committing mass murder. It is some thorazined out creep who jerks it to kiddy pron and was the only person in high school not in some form of clique, not even the group

What are you talking about? the future had normal users at one point sure, but they were always pretty racist and hated women. They would organize mass harassment campaigns against "whores". They were always just one shove away from going full nazi. Eventually the racists on the site became more eboldended and chased the normal channers looking for kicks out. They've always been aggro and used to say anti drug shit. I found 420chan from literally hearing gb2 420chan on 4shit multiple times 2006-2007. Also funny you bring CP up because most CP spammers that come here are from the future. You go to stormfront and the future and CP is more of a meme. There FBI practically lurks those two Chan's for that specific reason.


Thirdly actually white nationalists and the alt right HAVE murdered tons of people with the past few years. Don't give me that " anti fascists and the alt right are two of the same " nonsense when antifa legit hasn't shot up a black church,ran people over, stabbed passengers on a train, murdered their dads,shot at protesters and so on.

When antifa calls out the violence of the right they don't have to resort to fake news and clickbait like the alt right so idk why you even compare the two? There's a difference between adressing real problems and enemy's to freedom vs being "durr here's a meme that says the Vegas shooter was antifa!".

Fourth I never said the shooter in Texas was alt right. I also don't believe the entire mentally ill line. That's the case for some but a lot of these people just seem like entiteled fucks who think they can kill people at random any time something doesn't go their way. That's literally all I said while also bringing up alt right shooters and murderers which you act like is some myth. News flash jackass, antifa isn't stabbing war vets on trains and shooting up black churches. Don't even try to tell me a bunch of Richey rich cry babies like the Vegas shooter are oppressed outcasts. Pathetic. They're just entiteled brats who want their face to be remembered in their final tantrums. I didn't say this meant they were alt right but is it so hard to fathom that they're both from some of the same root problems? But oh please just go back to the entire victimization of " white men" nonsense when you say "the enemy" without even realizing that in turn might be partially to blame for a lot of shootings. Call me when poor whites are kidnapping their bosses for ransom and then I might believe you when you tell me the entire oppressed people line. But a bunch of spoiled brats murdering because theyve falsely felt like victims their entire lives whether they be directly political or apolitical? Gimme a break.
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Eliza Nendledock - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 17:06:03 EST ID:gGNOCnaM No.163173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163172

Didn't know 8shit censored to stormfront lol
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Nicholas Drillychark - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 17:12:54 EST ID:1fIHantD No.163174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163173

Yeah, it's great.
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Martin Hollerhood - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:38:52 EST ID:tYi/s3Ji No.163192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163172
>4shit and hate
I'm real old and the first generation of users were mostly just teenagers blowing off steam. They were pretending to be sociopaths and racists and misogynists but really there were just people who occasionally were really inhumane due to the distance the internet put between you as part of a faceless group and another person back then (and it has shrunk a bit), that sort of thing is less abnormal than we'd like to tell ourselves though. I knew a load of them when the board was a few months old. Before the mass campaigns, when anonymous was just the ID of the biggest child porn spam poster and there were multiple threads asking for him to be banned and "put your hard drive in a microwave the police are coming" posts.
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Phineas Fuckletidge - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 15:20:32 EST ID:cJ5Eew2v No.163193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163141
LOL they actually ARE claiming this to be a success story for the "good guy with a gun" narrative, HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

>If he didn’t have a gun, instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead.
  • Donald J. Trump
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gun-control-texas-shooting-victims-number-in-hundreds-2017-11

this is despite the fact that the record recently set by the Vegas shooter was 58 dead... but yeah... "hundreds" saved... comments sections are full of this shit too...

this America, folks. where literal dozens murdered is considered a success story...
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Reuben Sonnerfidge - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:25:35 EST ID:6uW1sAMI No.163194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163192


So am I. Maybe though, just maybe people "pretending" to be racists through edgy posts are actually holding racist belief systems. You're either militantly anti racist or racist. There's no in-between. Anti racists wouldn't be so quickly prone to nazism. If hate wasn't imbedded in 4chans culture it wouldn't be so easy to push them into white supremacist movements.
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Sophie Fopperdock - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:26:43 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163193
Anything to keep american gun-worship from being seriously re-evaluated for the cancer-culture it is. What I find funny is that gun advocates seem to only recently be pulling the 'mental-health issue' card in order to distract from the gun problem, but nobody actually wants to DO ANYTHING about the rampant mental health issues in America, because that would probably include funneling money from the military budget into health-care for the citizens, something none of the republicans in power want happening.
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Basil Chogglenadge - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 19:34:12 EST ID:9E9RXAkT No.163196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163194

I don't think that drawing that line in the sand really means anything. There are plenty of people between anti-racist and full-on racist that don't really care about that situation. I guess you would call those people racists for not caring though. With that kind of talk you're just alienating yourself.

Oldfag here too, I saw the beginning of the 4skins before I emigrated here. Lots of jolly african-american talk and mongoloid talk and sand jolly african-american talk. I don't think they necessarily meant anything racist with their words at first, probably just trying to offend someone else as hard as possible, but I have to agree that if you're constantly surrounded by that content because you find it entertaining, it's going to change your perception of the world around you.
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Matilda Sellyforth - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 20:56:57 EST ID:8XnvF8VN No.163198 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163196

Youre either racist or you're not...there is no middle ground. I don't want to "make friends" with racists. In fact I'd be concerned if my words and logic wasn't alienating to them. There's times where lines in the sand have to be drawn. We're living in one of those times. I could care less if one group of racists thinks other races are more prone to crime and need to be locked up and policed heavily vs. If one group also wants mass graves for Jews and arabs as well. They're both scapegoating cunts who share the same world view, they're both promoting ideas that lead to less freedom for people like ME. So why would I want to make friends with them?

Even the "civil" racists are sucking pigs dicks defending 990 police shootings in the past 2 years. Not exactly the types of boot lickers I want to call friend.
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Matilda Sellyforth - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 21:04:20 EST ID:8XnvF8VN No.163200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163196

To quote Howard Zinn, "you can't be neutral on a moving train". Pretty simple to understand. There is no such thing as neutrality in a situation with real flesh and blood consequences.
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Martin Pickstock - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 23:14:48 EST ID:90+0Hhvh No.163201 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No one has criticized the media for capitalizing on sensationalism, and yet it is arguable that without the sensational headlines, there would be no copycat active shooters.

What is the typical party line defense, regarding freely reporting on incidents and inspiring others to court the same infamy? OH YEAH, FREEDOM OF PRESS, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, CONSTITUIONAL AMENDMENTS.

But, wow, the news networks NEED to inform us, right? They NEED us to tune in and know about the epic killings. How many incidents are copycat crimes? All of them. How many are inspired by yellow journalism? All of them.

And yet the individual must suffer, so that the media may feast on the glut of attention they can whore out.

You have your amendment. I have mine. Fuck the press. Keep the guns. It's the media's fault for inspiring copycats. Fuck journalists. Fuck gun control. Fuck copycat crime.

REGULATE THE NEWS FIRST. MAKE THEM STOP REPORTING SENSATIONAL GUN CRIMES, AND THE COPYCATS WILL GO AWAY. PASS LAWS BANNING NATIONAL REPORTING OF LOCAL INCIDENTS. IT IS NOT THE WORLD'S RIGHT TO HAVE NEWS. IRRESPONSIBLE PROFIT-DRIVEN REPORTING IS GETTING PEOPLE KILLED.
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Simon Drunningmuck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 02:24:49 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163203 Report Quick Reply
>>163201

This is idiotic. Nothing else really needs to be said about this. People don't need heavy-caliber weapons like AR-15's and the like. People don't need thousands of rounds of ammunition. People don't need high-cap magazines.

People do need to be informed. People do need to understand what is going on in their country. People need to know what happened and why so they can be aware and alert for signs something similar is going to happen. People need to know who failed and how in order for a tragedy like that to happen and how to prevent it from happening again.

I'm not talking about banning all guns, either. I'm saying there's no reason a civilian needs 10k 5.57 rounds, drum-mags, and several AR-15 or similar rifles.
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Sidney Gecklefedge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 02:46:00 EST ID:zK/apcKz No.163205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163203
>I'm saying there's no reason a civilian needs 10k 5.57 rounds, drum-mags, and several AR-15 or similar rifles.

and? Civilians don't need 300hp cars, 2,500 dollar PCs, or hobby farms. I dont see why legal ownership of firearms needs to be justified.
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Shitting Sebberlatch - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 02:48:48 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163205
>300hp cars, 2,500 dollar PCs, hobby farms, firearms

One of these things is not like the others.
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Sidney Gecklefedge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 02:50:57 EST ID:zK/apcKz No.163207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163206
All can be used to hurt others, or used in the commission of a crime. Not a good enough reason to restrict people from something because they MIGHT do something wrong with it.
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Lillian Bracklesedging - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 03:00:16 EST ID:GBsQ31w/ No.163208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Further proof that there are no good Devins. If you see a Devin, stop them before it's too late.
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Cornelius Brundleridge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 03:37:16 EST ID:N0JCk5qJ No.163209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163207
Nobody is mowing down entire concert venues with a cache of 200 hothouse tomato plants.
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Simon Drunningmuck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 03:53:27 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163210 Report Quick Reply
>>163205

Because those things aren't normally used for mass murder you dipshit. Maybe the car, but let's be honest it really isn't as effective as spraying a crowd of people with bullets.
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Wesley Shakeworth - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 04:01:24 EST ID:mM9fZu54 No.163212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163207
Only one is made to hurt others. "hurr durr guns is same as cars" is one of the most retarded arguments out there surrounding gun control.

Also, if someone buys a flashy car they probably just want to drive it, not murder people with it, and even then we require drivers to pass tests and carry licenses. If someone buys a fucking machine gun you have to question what on earth they're going to do with a war weapon of mass death.
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Sidney Gecklefedge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 04:47:31 EST ID:zK/apcKz No.163214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163212
>If someone buys a fucking machine gun you have to question what on earth they're going to do with a war weapon of mass death.

Given that not a single crime has been committed with a machine gun in the US... going to guess not hurt people.
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Simon Drunningmuck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 04:51:39 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163215 Report Quick Reply
>>163214

>Given that not a single crime has been committed with a machine gun in the US

Not yet at least.
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Sidney Gecklefedge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 04:57:15 EST ID:zK/apcKz No.163217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163215
If we're going to start using "Not yet" logic, then we need nationwide police check ins, curfews, and monitoring.

Let me clarify. I'm not apposed to licensing, and restrictions for known violent people. Nor do I think guns will stop "tyranny" I have a problem with people who say we need to take away guns when the vast majority of gun owners have committed no crime, and are now being punished. Freedom doesn't need to be justified.
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Simon Drunningmuck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 06:17:16 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163219 Report Quick Reply
>>163217

I'm not saying "take their guns" either. What would be best is treating a gun more like we treat a car. You have to be trained to use one, you have to be of sound mind, you have to have a valid license, it's taxed, you're not permitted to have one on you when intoxicated, for certain guns you need a special license, and have insurance in your name on the firearm. If you're a felon, no gun for you which is already on the books yet somehow is "overlooked" in a lot of cases in mass shootings.

People can still own a gun, but this makes it much easier to see which guns go where and make sure people who shouldn't have a gun don't have a gun or at least makes it more difficult to get one.
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Oliver Huddleridge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 06:24:10 EST ID:gZ8Jv23Q No.163220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How do you plan on waking up tomorrow?
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Martin Pickstock - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:54:22 EST ID:90+0Hhvh No.163221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163203
> People do need to be informed. People do need to understand what is going on in their country. People need to know what happened and why so they can be aware and alert for signs something similar is going to happen.

Bullshit. Rampant uncontrolled media pollute and confuse the world with irrelevant drivel, and now it's getting worse with The Internet amplifying this effect, and fomenting negative emotions more powerfully and faster than ever.

When the founding fathers envisioned freedom of press, they did not imagine that idea according to the world we live in today. It's an amendment that is inappropriate for the level of technology we are faced with, and subversive elements are using the media to control a world unprepared for the weaponized information stream large corporations dump on the public through media outlets.

Media companies have been responsible for more death than all of the active shooters combined. Without Fox News, the war in Iraq would not have been possible. And yet these companies roam freely operating as they see fit, immersing a free society in mutant decption. The kind of deception that got Trump elected.

Regulate the media, not guns.
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Simon Drunningmuck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 08:52:40 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163223 Report Quick Reply
>>163221

Bullshit. Rampant uncontrolled firearms pollute and bleed the world with senseless violence, and now it's getting worse with The Internet amplifying this effect, and fomenting negative emotions more powerfully and faster than ever.

When the founding fathers envisioned the Second Amendment, they did not imagine that idea according to the world we live in today. It's an amendment that is inappropriate for the level of technology we are faced with, and subversive elements are using the Second Amendment to control a world unprepared for the weapons large gun lobbies dump on the public.

Firearm companies have been responsible for more death than all of the news reports combined. Without the NRA Sandy Hook, Vegas, Columbine, Texas church massacre would not have been possible. And yet the gun nuts roam freely operating as they see fit, immersing a free society in murder. The kind of deception that got Trump elected.

Regulate the guns, not media.

>I fixed your post for you.
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Simon Drunningmuck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 09:56:01 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.163226 Report Quick Reply
>>163224

Fuck off, how about you lay out your position instead of hurling out dumb insults. Everyone will be happy to eviscerate your flawed logic.
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Basil Chogglenadge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 13:42:18 EST ID:9E9RXAkT No.163232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163198
>>163200

Police shoot people of all sizes, colors, and shapes. It's a problem that has more to do with police violence over police racism. Part of it is police militarization, part of it is American gun culture.

>I don't want to "make friends" with racists.

I'm guessing you don't have many friends.

>>163202

This. This division is what's created the extreme left/right and both of them are made of shitheads.
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Cornelius Brundleridge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 14:10:29 EST ID:N0JCk5qJ No.163233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163232
A majority of the police shootings are white officers shooting non-white people. Yes, anyone can get shot by the police and anyone can become a police officer, there are also people born with both sets of genitals. Statistical anomalies exist but they don't mean that the general trend is non-existent.
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Eugene Bimmlemuck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 14:11:10 EST ID:hPXU206k No.163234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163232

I think also it has to do with outrage culture and the desperation some people have to be social media famous has caused some people to completely forget how to interact with the police.

You have people now who pull out their phones to record themselves charging at the police or screaming in their faces and disobeying all their orders because they think that somehow because they're recording it that it'll get them off the hook.

Or they immediately try to book it and run away thinking like they're gonna be the next OJ or something, then when they have four officers dogpiled on top of them all of the sudden it's "omg I didn't mean to do that! police brutality! halp!"
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Doris Bimmlekeck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:18:56 EST ID:5ws5H5Dl No.163236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163232
>>im guessing you don't have many friends

I live in a place where white isn't the majority and neo Nazis literally have no grounds for organizing in because even the white people that live here have ran them out long before this was on the spotlight. I'm talking bar fights. Not all of us live in middle America with the silent majority breh. Also you assume I'm white. If I'm not how
Could I be friends with racists?

Where exactly is the middle ground in people supporting police murder? Blacks make up higher incarceration rates than whites. I know a white kid from here who got shot by the pigs unarmed btw. So police are violent towards anyone disobedient but historically they heavily police black communities and formed to repress their existence in America. This is basic history. I don't make friends with bootlickers who love the pigs, regardless of their race. Is this so hard to understand?
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Doris Bimmlekeck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:36:44 EST ID:5ws5H5Dl No.163237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>1ground
Lmfao this is the problem with the West? I'd say the problem with the West is people (only really in a few countries) actually believe the police are a public saftey institution. Other than the mass amounts of evidence that a. Show us locking people up and more prisons does not make people safer and b. That higher police presences and militarization is not based on rising "crime rates". Not only this but there is a ton of historical facts that show us police in America were funded by rich fucks who got sick of funding private armies to a. In the North control work place rebellions and migrants and b. In the South repress and control former slave populations. They legit formed from overseer societies.


So despite this evidence people still spit liberal nonsense out of their mouth about public safety and protection. When police are mowing people down for protesting dangerous pipelines and you can't question the true role of police and capitalism it shows a serious lack of critical thinking skills.

So tell me. Where is the middle ground in supporting a repressive murderous institution? Maybe they can only beat and lock up half of dissenters, and shoot people in the arm instead of the chest. Or perhaps even they can make the windows in jail cells a tad bit bigger? Because when it comes to murderous police threatening the freedom of everyone it's best not to be black and white! I mean hello, you can like some of the stuff the SS does for Germany. After all they protect us from communists and gypsies! You don't have to be for or against mussolini. He is targeting criminal anarchists and restoring the Roman empire! Those are good things. It's not black or white man I'm a centrist I'm OK with fascism a little bit. Just a little.
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Doris Bimmlekeck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:38:37 EST ID:5ws5H5Dl No.163238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163237

Rich people used to fund private pigs. Then they got sick of it and municipals were born. Burden the tax payer instead
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Basil Chogglenadge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 17:08:43 EST ID:9E9RXAkT No.163239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163233

Non-white races are killed by police more per capita, but whites still hold the record high for police killings in the United States. To argue that point you should take into consideration each individual case and classify it by suspect behaviors, police aggressiveness, and rule out suicide by cop. Of course I've seen some fucked up police shootings, like the video of the black man who was gunned down running away in handcuffs. But actions taken by police of that nature are the exception and not the rule.

That being said, I believe police like this don't deserve a badge and need to be held accountable for their actions; not because it may or may not be a hate crime but because they gunned down a defenseless citizen of the United States.

>>163234

Outrage culture, the political climate, mass killings, gun culture, and police militarization are all responsible to some degree. Outrage culture and the current political climate place pressure on law enforcement to react appropriately to all circumstances, which they should, but anyone who has been in a violent situation can understand that keeping a cool head is tougher than it looks. The mass killings that have taken place show that citizens can be extremely dangerous, which plays into gun culture and police militarization: the highest gun ownership per capita in the world is in the United States meaning it is safe practice to assume the suspects are armed. Gun ownership in the US fuels police militarization, and police militarization fuels gun ownership, though unlikely to the same degree. It's almost like an arms race between the citizens and law enforcement.

Not saying I don't support gun ownership, I own a shotgun myself. But I can see how it plays into the current climate, especially with all these mass shootings.

>>163236

You can be a non-white and still be racist. Unless your definition of racism only applies to the majority race population of a nation. My definition of racism applies to any person of a particular race who stereotypes any race group.

As far as history goes for the suppression of minority groups by police, I can't argue with that, it's a fact. But history is history and todays world is not the 1900's. I can't speak on the incarceration rates of different races because I'm not familiar with the statistics. All I can say is you typically don't get incarcerated if you are innocent; that is the exception, not the rule.

If all racial groups commit crimes of equal volumes in equal magnitudes, then yes, minority groups are over-policed and suppressed by the state.
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Shitting Sebberlatch - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 17:47:07 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163210
You make a terrible troll. Go die in a fire.
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Shitting Sebberlatch - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:15:17 EST ID:zSz5Yjn1 No.163241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163240
Oops, my bad, I meant to link-quote the same guy you link-quoted, not you.

nb
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Doris Bimmlekeck - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:27:13 EST ID:5ws5H5Dl No.163242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163239

The police militarization is not fueled by the existence of legal guns or gun culture. Police milititzation is a result of a well conceived plan of counter insurgency against dissident and revolutionary movements and communities that arose in the 60s-70s. This plan included structuring a state of fear of criminality in which investors and financial institutions could repress, suppress and profit off of entire segments of the population. Even the Nixon administration's dregs admitted that this was one of the key components of the war on drugs. Members of the black panthers were hunted down and assassinated in their sleep, and after their movement was crushed and flipped with long term imprisonment and political assassinations; the war on drugs swung in full force and police reclaimed power in black communities through clever methods varying region to region. Heroin had to be stopped suddenly. White anti war leftists were facing long term imprisonment as well and suddenly mass arrests and drug related raids begun.

This method continued to expand. Banks and financial institutions began investing in heavy policing and prisons. Even non private States institutions started offering major corporate entities contracts allowing prison labor for their goods - from McDonald's to wholefoods. Even the US military. This happened when all dissent to the elite agenda was long since violently dismantled. Mass layoffs and attacks against unions began,which is why inflation went up and wages almost stagnant. Unemployed poor people were forced into criminalization and conveintly provided slave labor. The the 90s hit and even when statistics show crime was slowly declining, bush and Clinton before pushed forth a fear of "super predator" criminals.

So with all of these FACTS (you can be OK with these things and it'll be opinion but to deny they occured is misleading) in mind we can see clearly. History is not some abstract past; it is a method we can use to come to logical understandings of the current order of things. That understanding is, from the very birth of policing, their existence served to protect and enforce the will of the powerful while manipulating and suprressing the dreams of the powerless.. Keeping them powerless. It shows a real consistency that police in 1900s shot at strikers, and that police in 1970 police were assassinating dissidents. They reinivent themselves and their image to make their repression more efficient according to the time (hiring black cops) but that's about all.

The police are inherently racist. Does that mean that's all they are? No. They're there to suppress poor people of any color. Acknowledging their white supremacist roots and structure does not negate this. Criminality is a tool of elites; the rich can move drugs beyond borders, wage wars,trade deadly arms, and even rape; yet the poor so much as hold cocaine on them they will get fucked. The logic of criminality is a weapon against the powerless.

So with all of this in mind if someone is running from the police and they pull a weapon and they get shot do I approve? Hell the fuck no. They're an army literally trying to enslave an entire population to the will of the powerful . I support people who resist arrest by any means and anybody who supports freedom ought to do the same. If Mike Brown went for the gun of the cop, the only tragedy would be that he failed. Would you blame a gay man for running from the SS and resisting them? Or a South African from running for apartheid forces when they try to search him? If no, then what makes you support an armed forces there to violent submit the population to a profitable oppressive prison structure? Their legitimacy is faulty and the police have no ground to stand on unless you enjoy the taste of boots against your tongue.

Pic related. One of the leaders within circles of dissent someone who worked with white militias and connected them to black struggles and helped people find a common enemy in oppressors. Murdered in his bed by pigs before the war on drugs swung full force. No coincidence there people.
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Nell Duckstone - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:50:29 EST ID:14AQYYW4 No.163499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163242
>If Mike Brown went for the gun of the cop, the only tragedy would be that he failed.
I wish all of the people protesting would just be honest about what they want like you are. I actually respect that you're honest about it. At least then everyone knows not to waste time arguing the facts about the incident. The facts don't matter if the cops are always wrong.

Either we as a society have to accept that we have police, and with that there will be incidents, or we have to decide whether we want police at all. We need to decide how many police shootings we consider acceptable because it is not going to be zero.
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Nell Cendlehick - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:03:51 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163499
>Incidents
>That just so happen to be more likely to happen to you if you're a black male
It's very clear what is unacceptable.
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Fanny Chablingchot - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:33:41 EST ID:u35xloTz No.163503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163499
>I wish all of the people protesting would just be honest about what they want like you are.
I bet you've been waiting months for someone like him to show up so you could immediately declare him as representative of and speaking for "all of the people protesting".

So the question is, did you really think that anyone here would be dumb enough to fall for a disingenuous insistence that this rando on 420chan represents all protesters, or are you really just genuinely dumb enough that you really thought so yourself?
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George Sattingpetch - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:09:39 EST ID:mTHolcnq No.163505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>163503

Well, theres a difference between rioters, insurgents and activists and protesters. To deny that both exist, is ridiculous. Whether or not they coexist is a different question. For instance do you think the poor youth, in Ferguson, who initially began rioting before activists flooded in for protest hold the same "spirit" as protesters? They began chanting "kill the police" throwing rocks, burning, looting. In the days following people were firing guns, taking pot shots at police with rifles, throwing molotovs, chanting "fuck 12" (means fuck narcotics officers).

During the day there were people funded by the Democratic party and other various activist groups that are paid professionals calling for "peace" and "calm", hugging police for photo ops, most were flooded in thru buses and we're in contact with police.

During Trump's inaguaration there were about 800 anarchists and sympathizers all chanting "AK47,367,send these cops to piggy heaven". The spray paint on the walls read " civil war now", "liberals get the bullet too" "burn it down". Despite the police propaganda it was mildly violent, but they had to exaggerate it because it was the first time in over 50 years that the capital saw a large militant crowd. What did happen was, a few Windows and banks got smashed. About 2 cop cars got vandalized. A few Nazis got assaulted. A few cops got hit by flag poles. Overall it wasn't nearly as violent as protests overseas but it was the most defiant thing seen in DC in a very long time.

During the other marches mostly held by Democrats people held press conferences. Gave interviews. Marched around chanting about impeachments. Debated with neo Nazis. Overall they seemed to coexist that day, but they were both very different atmospheres.


In Baltimore groups of high school students walked out of high school. Riot police showed up and they were immediately attacked with rocks. Over 5 cops were seriously injured. People chanted "pigs" and caused over 50k of damage to police property.

Again, at other protests, groups funded by the Democrats called for "calm" "investigation" and wanted police reform. Clergy came in denouncing youth as angry and destructive. They showed little to no hostility towards police and instead debated semantics.

Is it so hard to understand ; one side wishes to work with police and the system in some naive hope that they will one day have a say. Or one could more accurately say professional activists do the bidding of the Democratic party and police by attempting to thwart insurrections. Another example of this would be riots in St. Louis. Some white people were throwing fire into barricades and some activist grabs the mic saying "whites are here to disrupt and demonize us" (divide,pacifiy conquer). People most whites consider to be thugs yelled "fuck y'all we want them here with us".

On the other hand you have people who aren't professional activists. People who feel the direct pain of the police state, the people who have friends and family locked up, the people being stopped every day, people who make their livelihood on crime, and anarchists. They see themselves as being at war with the state and act accordingly.

Not too hard to understand. Pic related. The multiracial group of looters the media doesn't want you to see. Can't have all those whites realizing this is a class war not a race war. Can't have people getting any naughty ideas.
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Nell Duckstone - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:20:48 EST ID:14AQYYW4 No.163506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163502
Well there's also a higher police presence in black urban communities, mainly due to the higher crime rate. Therefore more police interactions which leads to the disproportionate(but not outrageously so) amount of "incidents".

Again if you want police you're going to have a certain amount of shootings. The number is not going to be zero. The vast majority of interactions with police do not end with violence.

>>163503
I didn't mean to imply he's representative of everyone protesting. It was a poor way to word that because I understand that most of the protesters are frustrated with a system they view as unjust and don't have quite as radical views. Sorry that wasn't fair of me and I shouldn't have done that.

The problem I have is the level of intellectual dishonesty and sometimes outright lies in conversations about police use of force. Just because you repeat "that gun was planted" over and over doesn't make it true(believe it or not most cops don't just have a bag of guns in their trunk). If cops are always assumed to be wrong we can't even begin to have a conversation about what is acceptable use of force.
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Archie Crannerchan - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:27:04 EST ID:p+P+44Yc No.163507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163506

You're not wrong to assume there's a difference. There's legit proof that one group has links to activist organizations that receive funding from Democratic party and other non profit organizations. People are more prone to lying because their job depends on having a market on protest, and they often are extension of politicians.

On the other hand it's not wrong to say, the other side of "anti police brutality" has direct contact to criminals and advocates of revolution.

People need to stop lying and tip toeing to gain support and start discussing what they see as legitimate and if they accept or negate the morals of mainstream society.

Srsly there's no reason to believe the group in this video

https://youtu.be/qFzjkNkVcPU

Have the same values and courses of action as the people in this video

https://youtu.be/n5alejF5k7c
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Nell Cendlehick - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:53:39 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.163511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>163506
The higher crime rate is largely because of illegal stop and frisk practices, etc. The cops in Black communities will use any flimsy excuse to book a black kid so their record gets filled up with frivolous stuff like small amounts of weed possession, which over time leads to more serious mandatory minimums.

It's a racket.


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