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San Francisco bans sales of flavored tobacco products by Lydia Dartdock - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:15:48 EST ID:bFTo7jZR No.169300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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San Francisco bans sales of flavored tobacco products

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/06/health/san-francisco-flavored-cigarettes-proposition-e/index.html
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Phyllis Hurrypidge - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 21:20:03 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.169301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Banning menthols
I know I'll get called crazy but I feel like they are targeting a specific group with this one. Not a good look for a city that's already famous for gentrification.
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Doris Brozzleson - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 21:44:22 EST ID:jajGWUvR No.169305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169304
When are you gonna run for office? Make a difference if you're so passionate about it. Because this copypasta shit isn't doing anything for anyone. Unless you're just using it to vent and maybe as a way to channel your angst or mental illness. If it's the latter, then aight, whatever works for you.
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Lydia Dartdock - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 22:23:24 EST ID:bFTo7jZR No.169306 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
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Phyllis Hurrypidge - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 22:37:50 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.169307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169304
If the state wanted more money they would just raise the taxes higher than California's already ridiculous sales tax.
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Phoebe Wocklecocke - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 23:25:40 EST ID:vCluv2tB No.169308 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169300
Didn't Obongo do this already? Vapes that taste like junk food are allowed, but a conservatively flavored pipe tobacco isn't ?
>commiefornia
Yeah I don even care anymore, kys coastie
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Phyllis Hurrypidge - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 23:36:58 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.169310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169308
>conservatively flavored pipe tobacco

I didn't know "salty" and "miracle whip" were so popular.

They are going after menthols here, it's no longer a plot to "get the white man" when new ports and grape swishers are on the ban list. Nice try though.
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Phoebe Wocklecocke - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 23:41:59 EST ID:vCluv2tB No.169311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169310
jolly african-american I mean whiskey, rum, etc. Blacks only drink brandy and clears for spirits.
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Clara Ginnernene - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 23:50:19 EST ID:7xDZIDdp No.169313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good ordinance. Fewer young minorities in the Bay Area using tobacco means healthier more productive lives. Enjoy your lung cancer and emphysema, honkeys of San Francisco.
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Phyllis Hurrypidge - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 23:59:05 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.169314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169311
I think they should still sell whiskey flavored pipe tobaccy, but you have to present your fedora and duster at check out.
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Phoebe Wocklecocke - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 00:02:48 EST ID:vCluv2tB No.169315 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169314
Shitlibs haven't taxed the hell out of pipe tobaccy thus far. Any sucker who extorts themselves on pre rolled products deserves any and all constraints. Should live with the rednecks that grow it all if this matters so much.
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Phyllis Hurrypidge - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 00:23:52 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.169316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169315
A majority of tobacco actually comes from China and all tobacco products are taxed in other states, I'm not sure about California because I'm not a yuppie, desert white trash or a Mexican stuck in 1993 so I don't live there. I like how you have a romanticized view of pipe tobacco though, the marketing team that sold stupid felt hats to a wider audience just Cuban grandfathers must have worked on that one too.
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Sidney Blashham - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 00:28:17 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.169317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169310
>it's no longer a plot to "get the white man" when new ports and grape swishers are on the ban list.

Here's the thing...they are FUCKED either way on this issue.
Think about it. If they EXCLUDED swishers or menthols, it would look like they gave zero fucks about non-whites getting cancer. They sort of can't win. One side will scream that it targets black favored items, and the other will scream that black lives matter.

Just fucking saying. Bad place to be unless you are determined to make a fucking point.

Also, jolly people will just go and use another product the same fucking way. It ain't gonna stop anyone who wants to from smoking.

Until they ban that.

Which they might.
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Phoebe Wocklecocke - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 00:32:09 EST ID:vCluv2tB No.169318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169316
Latin America is a more relevant source, all the blunt brands come from there. I do my part to ensure they stay in their own countries with my purchases, do you?
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Lydia Dartdock - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:21:10 EST ID:bFTo7jZR No.169327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Americans hate freedom with a passion and beg for their chains.

If our overlords decreed that everyone must buy a new snowblower this year, Americans would agree that the law makes sense and must be obeyed.

When guns are banned, Americans will scream with delight.

If Americans are forced to get microchip implants, Americans would fight to be first in line.

When Americans get sent to the concentration camps, they will insist that they live in a free country as they get pushed into the ovens.
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Reuben Grimfoot - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 06:19:57 EST ID:V73bHX6y No.169328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't wait for the government to deliver my pain collar!
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Augustus Covingfuck - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 08:01:02 EST ID:u3WhHjj5 No.169329 Report Quick Reply
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>>169328
>>169327
>>169304

>One city in American bans tobacco products, which are harmful to the user's health
>JESUS CHRIST WHAT'S NEXT, CONCENTRATION CAMPS? ALSO, IS THIS ANTI-WHITE?

We used to call this level of histrionics screaming "Tumblr" back in the day, but given the last 5 years I suppose thanks to 4/pol/ losing your mind over trivial shit is associated with chan tards now.
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Lydia Dartdock - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 08:03:49 EST ID:bFTo7jZR No.169330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Americans either don't know or want to know that the US is collapsing or think that nothing can be done to save the USA. Any plans or ideas to slow or escape the decay are quickly shot down as unworkable.

Instead of demanding that minimum wages be repealed or checkpoints be ended, Americans would rather beg for their chains by asking for more laws.

Insanity.
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Cornelius Fanstock - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 08:11:36 EST ID:FkQLzBVu No.169331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169330
>Instead of demanding that minimum wages be repealed
wat
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Nicholas Buvingtodge - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 08:12:56 EST ID:drJMIw4Z No.169332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169329
Wake me when you are allowed to ruthlessly harass fattiees the way smokers get shitted on. Secondhand passive smoking isn't real. Be pro nanny state where it makes difference.
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Shit Bimmerkore - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 12:20:22 EST ID:LdVb0860 No.169336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169330
>THIS IS WHAT ARCHANO-LIBERALS ACTUALLY BELEIVE

And you wonder why your ideology isnt viable in Victoria 2
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Jack Trotbanks - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:50:08 EST ID:hPXU206k No.169337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169330

It's san francisco, homie. Pretty much 99% of the rest of america doesn't do anything near the level of absurdity as the bay area does.

The only other part of america that acts even remotely like it is maybe new york city, but san fran really does do the best job of disguising soft racism and class warfare as progressive policies.
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Simon Dollerbanks - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:18:24 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.169338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Welcome to California (caution: may contain nuts)
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Alice Chenningchon - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:00:39 EST ID:cs064rD0 No.169341 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169331
Because Taxation is slavery, but Slavery is just the free exchange of labor.
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Fuck Granddock - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 19:21:12 EST ID:gUtezUEF No.169346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The US is a police state, but nothing will change because Americans think everything is just fine.

http://www.campidiot.com/ci/viewforum.php?id=28
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Phoebe Ciblingkidge - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 06:34:30 EST ID:EhvPs+Md No.169352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
learn to grow your own unflavored vape juice faggots

its 4012, get with the times already
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Henry Chinkinnerk - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 11:05:22 EST ID:gUtezUEF No.169355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Future generations will ask why Americans didn't resist when the US became a police state.
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Walter Norrymut - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:48:35 EST ID:soIyOLj9 No.169362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169355
No, I don't think anyone will be particularly confused about how that happened.
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Fuck Pittson - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:11:39 EST ID:V3wiYS94 No.169363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169300

I don't know, maybe give a shit about your health and not use tobacco at all. Use all this wasted rage, whining about a stubborn want to lower the overall health of society, and fix real problems.

This isn't government oppression, it the healthy part of society telling you to grow up.
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Ian Duckford - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:35:34 EST ID:ap6edYjS No.169364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169363
Sweet prohibition forever then , eat your dog food you phony.
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Caroline Sivingkerk - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:31:36 EST ID:vZnRztJG No.169370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not surprised, acrolein is formed from the combustion of sugar.
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Oliver Famblewedging - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 18:56:13 EST ID:rpge8t+V No.169375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169363
Fuck you and fuck healthy society GTFO of here with that bullshit
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Emma Follershit - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:50:48 EST ID:zLt0KB9T No.169379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does anyone get the feeling that if the elites decreed that everyone must have their thumbs amputated, Americans would agree that the law makes sense and must be obeyed?
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Ian Greenfoot - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 23:20:06 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.169380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169379
Only libs and beaners have thumbs. You only need an index finger to show people you're number one and to misfire your gun in the middle of a low quality sit down restaurant.
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Ebenezer Bremblehood - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 23:26:37 EST ID:jajGWUvR No.169381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169363
How exactly is banning only flavored tobacco considered "the healthy part of society telling you to grow up."

I agree with the fact that flavored tobaccos are definitely marketing to kids, but there's a pretty simple solution to that. Don't allow flambouyant packaging. I remember all those brightly colored weird Marlboro flavors from like 10 years ago. I was definitely attracted to them as a minor. But banning all flavored tobacco including menthols which tons of adults have been smoking for a long time kinda seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Menthol cigarettes aren't specifically appealing to children like Cloves and other flavored cigarettes. There should be an exception for plain menthol cigarettes.

Also, love how people like you are always okay with the government overstepping so long as it's not on your toes. Boot licker.
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Emma Follershit - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 23:45:35 EST ID:zLt0KB9T No.169383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Life may be all fun and games now in the USA, but as offshoring increases, illegal immigration rises, hard-working Americans die off or dropout due to higher taxes and more regulations, the national debt climbs, there is more terrorism as the result of illegal American wars, the police become more brutal enforcing draconian decrees, the US Ponzi economy and stock markets collapse, cash is banned, Americans are implanted with microchips, and real crises and false flags are used to force Americans to go to the gulags and finally to the gas chambers and ovens, will Americans wish that they had spoken out earlier against the dangers of wars, debt, and tyranny?
Warned
User has been warned
Warned by: Spunky
Message: Save the conspiracy talk for /tinfoil/
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Cyril Dicklenad - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 11:45:32 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.169388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169381
Is it really government overstepping if it's voted into law democratically? It's a sign of the times. Nicotine, regardless of flavor has a bad image right now in California, most of all the bay area. People smoke weed openly though.

It's the will of the people. That can change, and will if enough people want it to.
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Martha Meffingstone - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 17:15:00 EST ID:1fIHantD No.169390 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169389

I'm always down for some good old America bashing, but this seems a tad too much?

I mean, they're still a yuge power on the world stage aren't they? Aren't they?
They must be relevant even with their current incubent, right guys?
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Ernest Fuckingstock - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 17:36:57 EST ID:/Coh/U++ No.169391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169300
How is this news? I live in tobacco country and we haven't sold flavored cigarettes in years.
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Hannah Pickhood - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 18:22:23 EST ID:GSVZzPlf No.169392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169388
>democratically
Not remotely. Even if you can trust that all our processes aren't rigged (which at this point you'd be pretty naive to think imo), the system itself isn't actually democratic--it's in the name, but the name is a fucking lie.
Is there anywhere on the planet that actually practices democracy? It's an easy lie to maintain when nobody has any point of comparison.

I don't care very much about this law (it's lame but tobacco laws tend to be a clusterfuck anyway so whatever, incremental changes are hard to care about when the whole thing needs an overhaul) but calling anything "the will of the people" under a corporate oligarchy is a joke. The history of prohibitionist substance laws is filled with decisions made for selfish and utterly undemocratic reasons, either to protect monopolies or mass-manipulate people with contraband laws. And it's always, always "think of the children"-type shit, but that doesn't mean some corporatist isn't two steps ahead.
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Matilda Fadgebat - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 20:22:23 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169392
>Is there anywhere on the planet that actually practices democracy?
No perfect democracies exist, but some countries have proportional representation, some have a level of workplace democracy.
>nobody has any point of comparison.
It's a shameful tendency for Americans to extrapolate their own ignorance on the rest of the world.
Compare our FPTP system to how accurately New Zealand proportionally-elected representatives reflect the political will of their constitutes.
Compare how effectively Germany's limited workplace-democracy protects the workers from the evils of capitalism to Amazon workers required to stand in line for unpaid hours to keep their job, subsidized wages, or systemic wage-theft.
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Priscilla Focklewere - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 21:35:21 EST ID:wDFD06aL No.169398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169355
Right wingers don't 'refuse and resist.' Liberals in the masses protest wrongs.
Just depends if you actually stand for something.
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Ebenezer Honeyfoot - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 23:57:18 EST ID:GSVZzPlf No.169405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169395
>It's a shameful tendency for Americans to extrapolate their own ignorance on the rest of the world.
That's generally very true, but... you realise that I was talking about public perception, right? You being able to cite a couple of examples of not-completely-dysfunctional systems (although not convincing examples, as both of those countries still have terrible and dishonest systems overall, but that's besides the point) doesn't do anything to improve the political literacy of the public.
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Nathaniel Middleway - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:20:38 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.169406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169392
> "the will of the people" under a corporate oligarchy is a joke
You read the article and saw that Philip Morris spent $12 million to try to get this to fail, but the people passed it, right?
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Martin Greendale - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 02:16:24 EST ID:8NruFBq0 No.169411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169406
There is the tobacco lobby. i say make it illegal, grow your own tobacco. Our bars, restaurants banned indoor smoking. I always loved having a beer at the bar and clothes, pants I could have worn a few days, smelling like piss and shit.

Banning smoking in restaurants bars was the best move. Not nanny statel, nanny state anything. It is a burden on the healthcare systems, work production goes way down.

My grandpa smoked for years, died from lung cancer. My dads girlfriend gpot copd, needed to have oxygen 24/7. She needed to have a oxygen mask at times.

She kinda leaned over, coughed and splattered her oxygen mask with blood.
The thread kinda got to big, but starting people saying government saying what
rights are being eroded constantly by big government. Yet there is a tobacco
lobby. The tobacco industry is a billion a year industry. For every person who dies from smoking the industry needs to replace the dead person with a new smoker.
If they can get a kid to start smoking from like age 13 to 19, they will likely be a lifetime smoker. Which is the replacement for the person who died.

You think the tobacco executives have ashtrays on their 5 thousand dollar
meeting tables? Joe camel was a mascot to appeal to kids smoking,
banning that cartoon aspect made the right-wing tobacco lobby mad.

Dismantle the 'industry.' Make commercial tobacco fully non-existant.

Just a thought, remember the marlboro man who looked all manly,
lighting a smoke on a horse, cowboy hat, manly looking. He died
from lung cancer, from smoking.

Every doctor I have talked with who asked if I smoked, no, maybe a couple of cigarettes a year. Any doctor will say the best thin you can do for your health is stop smoking. (don't get me wrong, I used to smoke by default) Never helped
me. Chewing tobacco, is as bad. A relative had most of his jaw face where he looked like a freak, where he was basically handsome before. Now looks basically grotesque.
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Ebenezer Pisslechadge - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 03:36:20 EST ID:67pMQxWD No.169415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The US is a bankrupt warmongering police state.

Your country is collapsing.

Be silent.

Don't think.

Allow your overlords to rule over you.

Tyranny is the American way, right?
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Albert Turveyshaw - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 04:04:26 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.169416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169415
Are we supposed to get riled up and disagree with you?
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Ebenezer Pisslechadge - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 07:54:45 EST ID:67pMQxWD No.169420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One wonders if the point of this law is to help the government meet their private prison quotas.
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Sophie Clundlefutch - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 08:23:27 EST ID:V3wiYS94 No.169421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169381

You agree because i am correct. There is a simple solution, the one they went with.
The one of the reasons government exists to protect society from retards who cant handle their emotions, from themselves.

The government regulates clean air and water, because greedy retards will fuck that up

The government makes you buckle up your kids because retards dont

The government protects me from retards who smoke on public

Sucks if you are a retard, you must be getting angry as you dont understand your own emotions or the emotions of others. Society is a compromise, dick head.
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Ebenezer Pisslechadge - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:18:41 EST ID:67pMQxWD No.169423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does anyone get the feeling that anyone supporting the police state now is a paid NSA shill?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
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Henry Chuvingshit - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:30:25 EST ID:Wi4/EczX No.169425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169420

You really think a lot of people will get arrested over this?
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Ebenezer Pisslechadge - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:45:34 EST ID:67pMQxWD No.169426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
America needs fewer laws, not more prisons.
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Hannah Blatherfield - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 10:08:35 EST ID:V73bHX6y No.169427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel like this guy has a lot of fucking mixed messages.
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Augustus Denderville - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 10:37:59 EST ID:k4enMT4C No.169429 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169423
What the fuck, how are we only now getting around to designing this shit? We should have been using this for 5 years. It's like the Russians have just been running unopposed around the world for years now. America needs to step up its propaganda abilities unless it wants to let its enemies turn the entire world against us. This is good news.
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Ebenezer Pisslechadge - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 10:48:57 EST ID:67pMQxWD No.169430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://nypost.com/2014/01/05/us-is-the-greatest-threat-to-world-peace-poll/
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Nathaniel Middleway - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 10:59:37 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.169431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169420
No one with two brain cells to rub together wonders this this because the punishment of this law is not jail, but a revocation of your license to sell tobacco. The law is linked in the article. I know reading must be hard for you though.

Take your fearmongering bullshit elsewhere. This is a place for news, not lunatic ravings.
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Ebenezer Pisslechadge - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 11:06:54 EST ID:67pMQxWD No.169432 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.

If you refuse to pay unjust fines, your property will be confiscated. If you attempt to defend your property, you will be arrested. If you resist arrest, you will be clubbed. If you defend yourself against clubbing, you will be shot dead. These procedures are known as the Rule of Law.
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Caroline Fanlock - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:08:16 EST ID:cs064rD0 No.169433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169432
No one cares about your An-Cap talking points.
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Ebenezer Honeyfoot - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 15:22:17 EST ID:GSVZzPlf No.169435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169423
Yes, absolutely. The internet is infested with this shit, and a lot of it is even automated.

Remember a few years back when le circlejerk made a stats post, and the "most addicted city" was Elgin Air Force Base? PS that base is a "signals" (aka intelligence and cyberwarfare) post.

Even places that seem too insignificant have been hit, which I guess is easy when you're using bots. Check out /420/ some time and observe how half the posts there are basically demanding the mods crack down on freedom of speech. The pressure never lets up, and the entire fucking web is like this at this point.


>>169429
Fuck you, you boot-licking fucking shill. These programmes have been around for ages.

> We should have been using this for 5 years.
The Smith-Mundth Modernisation Act which made it legal to use propaganda tools against the US public became law in December in 2012, and a whole bunch of blatant psyop shit which completely changed the culture of the entire fucking internet rolled out over the next two years or so.


The one hope in all this is what happened back in the 90s when the Stasi were exposed, after having run a massive surveillance, propaganda and intimidation campaign against the East German public for decades. When that happened all their records were preserved and made accessible to the public (you could look up your own file) and they even attempted prosecution against them.
Well, our current system is so backdoored by our modern-day assholes, and there are so many bitter nerds, even universities and corporations who have been forced to do the NSA/CIA's dirty work, that you can just fucking bet that all their evil shit is being recorded and backed up in parallel by entities who will expose the whole show one day when the time is right.
When that happens, we'll be able to run machine analysis on the massive amount of data, and untangle the whole story of who is responsible for what, and expose the shills who think they're so clever and safe right now, taking a pay cheque for ruining the entire internet.

Then it's guillotine time and there'll be nowhere to fucking run.
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Shitting Pecklewen - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 16:31:48 EST ID:OIvNvgUg No.169437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169435
You do realize the INTERNET was and is a freaking tool designed by the military complex to gather info?
All WWW. is stallioned by the government
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Albert Turveyshaw - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:01:24 EST ID:kFmX3/Gj No.169439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169435
Oh my god you massive faggot.
Just because you learned how to read last year and found a bunch of scary shit on the interwebs that has been common knowledge for the past decade doesn't make you white boy woke or whatever the fuck you are trying to be.

Your country is a despotic piece of shit and it has been since it's inception. It was literally made by the rich and built on the backs of people stolen and treated as property on land stolen from people that were treated as subhumans and made its own entity by people fighting on the empty promise of being able to one day be at the top. Its only 240 some years old, that's not that old even by human standards. It's a violent inhumane fluke that has no one's best interest at heart besides the plutocracy and no amount of bullshit you spam here or how loud you scream is going to change that. Go spam your shit on circlejerk or something, I'm tired of every thread devolving into your autistic fucking bullshit. FUck you and fuck America, any good feelings I do have towards the country go right out the fucking window when I have to listen to asshats like you, which is probably your end game, idk, either way, next time you want to post a rambling alex jones monologue please write it out on paper first and instead of transcribing it to web text just crumple it up and shove it up your ass.
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Esther Wablingwad - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 22:25:29 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.169448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169432
I 100% agree with Rule of Law. I just wish that it applied to the filthy rich that tend to take a detour around the laws.
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Jarvis Dudgemot - Sun, 10 Jun 2018 22:38:55 EST ID:xbWLTQO9 No.169449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169437
No, it was a tool of the military complex's RnD divisions to transmit info and also hang out. Only the real visionaries expected it to get this far, and while some of them thought about the security of the data, none of them thought about the security of hanging out.
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Molly Greencocke - Mon, 11 Jun 2018 01:00:07 EST ID:GSVZzPlf No.169456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169439
You're either confusing me with another user or your brain is broken.
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Martha Seckleway - Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:40:19 EST ID:B8B8pGsy No.169461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Americans who were taught that freedom is good might wonder why they are now being told to embrace tyranny.

Americans who were taught that debt is bad might wonder why they are now being told that debt is good.

Americans who were taught that peace is good might wonder why they are now being told to embrace wars.

Americans who were told to love their country might wonder why no one says anything while the USA collapses.
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Barnaby Snodhood - Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:10:27 EST ID:cs064rD0 No.169476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169461
No one cares about your an-cap talking points. Hey, how about you explain how Taxation is slavery, but slavery is just the free exchange of labor?
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- Mon, 11 Jun 2018 20:05:13 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.169478 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169476

He/it's been spamming /n/ with shit like that for weeks/months now
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Emma Pittfoot - Mon, 11 Jun 2018 21:16:36 EST ID:B8B8pGsy No.169479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Who said slavery was okay?
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Matilda Buppershaw - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 01:20:23 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169476
Taxation is not theft when it returns a portion of wealth created by the workers.
Rent and private property are theft.
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Matilda Buppershaw - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 01:31:40 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169479
Mainstream right-libertarians wouldn't consider someone in a company-owned (or wage-pooled) town, paid in company scrip, priced by rent and goods to be in eternal debt to be a slave.

Less mainstream an-caps, including some of their major philosophers such as Robert Nozick have argued that slavery is moral as long any transactions are voluntary, for a definition of voluntary that includes choosing to sell your self or child into slavery to avoid starvation.
http://www.ellerman.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Philmore-1982.scan_.pdf
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Emma Pittfoot - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 03:37:31 EST ID:B8B8pGsy No.169483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wow. What country is this? The USSR failed.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty.

You know that you live in the Twilight Zone when Americans support tyranny.

Who wants to live in a prison?

Do you realize that the US is no longer a democracy?

https://www.srnnews.com/jimmy-carter-us-more-like-oligarchy-than-democracy/

If you work hard running a business and own a home then you didn't steal it.

The "private sector" of the economy is, in fact, the voluntary sector; and the "public sector" is, in fact, the coercive sector.

Since the US is no longer a democracy, every tax is theft because you are forced at gunpoint to give away your property without representation.

If the government steals 40% of your income to pay for illegal immigrants, debt, war, curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm and then sends you a check for $1.50, would you say this is not theft?
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Martha Clagglepere - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 06:49:19 EST ID:vZnRztJG No.169484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
San francisco isn't even cis anymore now that they filled half the city with pakis who will work for quarter price on contract labor and huddle in same 1 room apartment.... fucking dems need to ban big tobacco because it threatens their corruption of the state through drug church and immigrant votes
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Emma Pittfoot - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:29:20 EST ID:B8B8pGsy No.169485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws.
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Matilda Buppershaw - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:03:39 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169483
>Do you realize that the US is no longer a democracy?
The system is not broken, it is working exactly as intended.
Capitalism and democracy are largely exclusive.

>If you work hard running a business
A business owner who works 100 hours a week deserves to be paid for 100 hours a week. Anything beyond that is stolen as it means a worker who is also working 100 hours a week isn't getting what they deserve.
>own a home
If you live in it, it's personal property. This is different than creating no value while extracting wealth from someone else.

>The "private sector" of the economy is, in fact, the voluntary sector; and the "public sector" is, in fact, the coercive sector.
One's freedom and self-determination is far more dependent on the material conditions than whether the state or a private entity is stealing their labor.
It's largely insignificant so long as the worker must create wealth for someone with a material interest in weakening them.
Worker-owned cooperatives or democratic, socialist states can avoid this conflict of interest. Capitalist states cannot.

>If the government steals 40% of your income...
I'm more concerned about my employer stealing a far greater share of the wealth I create, and using it to position himself to steal even more from me.
We've created the wealthiest society in history, and every hour of labor creates more wealth than ever before, yet we have people who work 40 hours a week and cannot afford medical care.
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Eugene Shakefoot - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 10:20:46 EST ID:lWlEy1EO No.169489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169488
This isn't your personal blog, go post your manifesto somewhere else.
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Emma Pittfoot - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 11:30:49 EST ID:B8B8pGsy No.169490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Americans used to believe in free speech.
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Oliver Hicklelon - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 16:08:49 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.169492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169490
Is selling flavoured tobacco considered "speech" now?
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Thomas Podgepig - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 17:19:48 EST ID:y1Ycak27 No.169495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169488
I don't see one thing that has any reality to anything here.

>If you don't like your job, quit

Then you have no job. Then you may have to reply on 'food stamps' and government programs to feed you children. May have to 'move' into a
homeless shelter.

Whatever the case, what planet are you from?
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Hannah Clayshaw - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:36:21 EST ID:cs064rD0 No.169499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169488
Is there anything more dumn and An-Caps?
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Hannah Clayshaw - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:36:43 EST ID:cs064rD0 No.169500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169499
Besides me, spelling Dumb wrong?

nb
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Eugene Nittingworth - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:23:29 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.169503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169499

Engaging with the resident platitude-spamming bot, for one. If it's actually a real person typing those posts, it must have some kind of brain damage. When will you people learn?
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Archie Cammledock - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:21:16 EST ID:+khUg1U6 No.169513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you quit a job you hate, can you find another job?

Did they have food stamps in 1776?

http://www.badharvest.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=2&p=4
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Nell Murdwater - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:10:45 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169513
That's the American revolution.

The one caused in part by repeated famines due to deregulating the grain market and tax cuts for the rich started is 1789.
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Phyllis Purrywatch - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:29:13 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.169516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169488
Are you a bot designed to spew the most thoughtless and factually untrue talking points available?

>People can find cheap doctors in the world without Obamacare.

I suppose that's why they get themselves to an ER with insurance or a way to pay. Or why debtors prisons still exists.

Either way, someone's paying for those without insurance. You either make it more cost-effective and improve the efficacy of care or you pay more for less. That's the only choices available.
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Nell Murdwater - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:37:00 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169516
>Either way, someone's paying for those without insurance.
An ER will not provide chemo, vaccinations, a supply of insulin, or other non-immediate treatments that may be necessary to survive.

There's a reason the poor in this country have a life expectancy on par with third-world shitholes and the middle-class is just below that of countries with universal healthcare.
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Nell Murdwater - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:37:58 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169520 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169519
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Fanny Dommerpet - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:28:05 EST ID:+khUg1U6 No.169521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/20/englands-single-payer-health-system-is-reaching-breaking-point/
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Lillian Gundlesone - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:31:19 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.169524 Report Quick Reply
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>>169520

Misleading. Broken down by state things start to look a little different.
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Phyllis Purrywatch - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:50:07 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.169531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169519
That's also a very salient observation to reflect on.

It's amazing how people can still attack single-payer by suggesting it'll never work when multiple nations are functioning on such a system far better than the for-profit healthcare system we have. Their argument usually suggests the low population size without considering that single-payer makes things overall cheaper for the government and it's people while covering everyone. If we can afford what we have now, we definitely can afford single-payer.
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Phoebe Wuffingfuck - Fri, 15 Jun 2018 04:33:16 EST ID:mUpxtp3m No.169545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Will those who love the police state regret their views when they get sent to the ovens?
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Cedric Dendersitch - Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:05:45 EST ID:37StvfR3 No.169549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169545

Why would the government want to randomly genocide parts of the population?
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Basil Penkinchuck - Fri, 15 Jun 2018 16:54:47 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169549
The burden of proof relies with whoever would claim people in power wouldn't do a thing that increases their power.

Americans have proved time and time again they have no trouble committing atrocities against dehumanized populations whose existence is problematic.

Reagan's director of FEMA's discussing how a racial uprising shutting down one or more major cities might play out, drawing on the US's experience neutralizing Japanese and Native Americans: https://pdf.yt/d/h7zSh86fNBKrtRJU
spoiler:Send as many negros to concentration camps (fenced in tent clusters with buckets to shit in) as logistically possible.
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Basil Penkinchuck - Fri, 15 Jun 2018 16:55:50 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169557
Oops bad link:
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-h7zSh86fNBKrtRJU
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Martin Fanhall - Fri, 15 Jun 2018 23:25:50 EST ID:V3wiYS94 No.169562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169300

Dude, just stop smoking, problem solved and you'll save some money too.
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Shitting Goblingwitch - Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:37:53 EST ID:byLyhn/L No.169613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Americans seem to have forgotten US history.

Americans either believe the USA is the most free country in the world or think that the US never was a free country.

No one remembers that the US used to have freedom, but lost it.
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Rebecca Blullymudge - Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:58:55 EST ID:vdPB0f+k No.169615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169613

America was a free country from ~1868 to ~1898

So yeah, about 30 years...
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Henry Checklefoot - Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:28:58 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.169617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>169615
>workers with zero protections, with rent and wages such that workers could barely subsist and couldn't afford to move or strike.
>sharecroppers legally tied to the land by debt
>private police gunning down striking miners
>free
lol
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Simon Briggleville - Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:32:34 EST ID:Bjku0kUu No.169618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Americans used to believe in freedom.

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/opinion/contributors/2017/07/01/commentary-land-free-and-home-brave/427082001/

Now Americans would need to be mentally ill to think tyranny won't get worse.

Who would have thought in 1980 that the USA would soon have curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm?

During the Wild West in the US, everyone could carry guns, businesses were not licensed, no one had Social Security numbers, there were no sales, income, or property taxes, and drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, and prostitution were legal.

There was little government, yet people lived and had freedom.

http://www.harrybrowne.com/GLO/DrugWar.htm

The government today is regulating every area of everyone's life.

The government wants to tell us what to do, what to think, where to live, how to live, what to wear, and what to eat. Saying you live in a free country with a straight face is difficult when everything is illegal.

How can anyone take the moral high ground on anything when we are all criminals?

In the US, your body is not your body, your property is not your property, and your kid is not your kid.

Government is not the solution to problems. Government IS the problem.

Alcohol prohibition failed. The Soviet Union failed.

http://www.bradford-delong.com/2008/02/why-the-soviet.html

Anyone who supports the police state is just a tool for the elites.

Too bad Americans are surrendering liberty so easily.

Why did the USA fight for freedom against the British, Hitler, and Saddam if America just ended up as a police state? All those American soldiers died in vain.

The elites are trying to weaken and divide Americans by race, gender, handicap, penalizing hard work, encouraging welfare use, and pushing immorality while using fear, terrorism, drugs, false flags, discrimination, hate speech, Russian propaganda, and fake news laws, and wars on cash to make Americans give up their free speech rights, religious freedom, guns, right to silence, privacy, property, right to trials, freedom from torture, and the freedom from extrajudicial assassination.

https://fee.org/articles/the-growth-of-government-in-america/

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Things fall apart. The world has turned upside down now.

Clean-cut, moral Americans who were taught to hate Communism, be hard-working, be responsible, respect free speech, support religious freedom, defend gun rights, oppose warrantless searches, seizures, and torture must be in a state of shock to watch the USA become Socialist.

If you work today, you will owe taxes that will fund wars, debt, and tyranny.

The elites and the media are pushing wars, tyranny, debt, illegal immigrants, offshoring, moral decay, and Socialism. Americans pretend everything is fine and put their heads in the sand to ignore the obvious decline.

One day Americans may wake up and wonder how bankers can commit fraud and be rewarded with billion dollar bailouts instead of being jailed. Americans may ask why they should obey the law when the government and illegal immigrants don't. Why can the police kill unarmed Americans, the CIA can torture, officials can lie to Congress, IRS agents can target conservatives, the FBI can run child porn sites, and the EPA can pollute, but Americans can't?

Angry Americans might start resisting by lying on government forms, getting fake ID's, failing to pay taxes, not buying insurance, not wearing seatbelts, not registering guns, not getting driver licenses, and smoking in public.

The government will retaliate by increasing punishments with higher fines, longer sentences, and more draconian laws.

Americans might push back with sniper attacks on police checkpoints and terrorism.

As the economy dies due to debt and regulations, the elites will try to pump up the economy by nationalizing companies and outlawing private property and try to distract Americans by launching WWIII with North Korea, Iran, Russia, and China.

Americans will eventually end up in the concentration camps.

How many Americans will wish that they had spoken out against the police state earlier as they get pushed into the ovens?

Americans deserve everything coming to them.

How can Americans look in the mirror today without feeling shame and disgust?

Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

Wake up.

Think.

Pass the word.
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Beatrice Cluvingfuck - Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:16:13 EST ID:YFam0ryF No.169620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>169379

>fancy novelty tobacco that avoids disgusting tobacco taste = your thumbs
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Simon Briggleville - Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:15:50 EST ID:Bjku0kUu No.169623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you love tyranny, the US is a paradise now.

If you love freedom, the US is hell now.


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