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Pro-Trump & Russian-Linked Twitter Accounts Are Posing As Ex-Democrats In New Astroturfed Movement by Jenny Murdwell - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 10:18:35 EST ID:M/Ws53KS Banned No.170170 Report Quick Reply
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As pundits, politicians, and other Very Serious People spent last weekend admonishing “the left” for not being civil enough in their approach to pushing back against the Trump administration’s cruel policy of forcibly separating immigrant children from their parents, a peculiar and carefully crafted narrative began to take shape on social media. A closer look at this emerging narrative—a self-described “grassroots movement” of former Democrats fleeing the party—revealed an astroturfed campaign driven by pro-Trump Twitter users and amplified by automated and Russian-linked accounts.

The surge of tweets started on Saturday, June 23, when news broke that White House press secretary Sarah Sanders had been quietly asked to leave a restaurant in Lexington, VA, the night before. The social media campaign really took off the next day, after Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) said in a speech that administration officials who support Trump’s policies should expect to face pushback when they go out in public.
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Hamilton Dangerlug - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 11:23:33 EST ID:e/uwrjKy No.170171 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There are foreign actors meddling in US politics and half the voter base doesn't seem to care, or they're too stupid to realize what is happening thanks to Republican cuts to education. Hell, Republicans even think Trump is in Putin's pocket and don't care, at all. Like, they know the President of the US is getting paid by the President of another country, and it's all hunky dory, and there are absolutely no grounds for investigating any of this.

This will all be decried as fake news by snowflakes whose feelings prevent them from actually producing an original thought.

Hardly an excuse for a party.
Hamilton Wickleridge - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:21:30 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.170184 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It seems superfluous for Russia to push a narrative that the liberal media is more than happy to pursue itself.

I don't think Russia is behind CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc all forgetting the last decade of elections and promoting civility politics, neoliberalism, and arguing that the party needs to appeal to some mythical "reasonable republican" or moderate suburban women, with centrist policies (the center being between the right and actual avowed Nazis).
Wesley Chommerway - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:09:41 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.170238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>There are foreign actors meddling in US politics and half the voter base doesn't seem to care
This isn't news.
See: all corporate and Israeli lobbying.

In terms of scale, I can't imagine how the whole Russia canard can measure against US corporate influence on our media and political system.
They may have played a role in getting Trump elected, but the democrats failures to promote popular policies that help the people such as universal college and healthcare and the media giving Trump free 24/7 coverage that mostly covered his tone rather than reasons relevant to voting did far more than some boomer's twitter feeds getting inundated with stories about Hillary Clinton's Pizza and Child Sex Slave shop.
Walter Bannerlock - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:58:39 EST ID:/HpYV+GX No.170245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I mean, fucking Turkey pays for pro-AKP flash mobs and skywriting campaigns in DC, and has his bodyguards going around beating up political opponents in the streets of America, and cooked up an actual fucking kidnapping plot with Trump's former national security advisor.

Compared to brazen shit like that, it's a little hard to take seriously the idea that a few pro-Putin memes on grandma's MAGA Facebook group is the real foreign influence on our politics.
Nell Muvingwill - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:50:52 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.170261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not a contest, friends. It's all bullshit.
Wesley Moshshit - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:05:12 EST ID:fD7QbJY8 No.170262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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why was OP banned?
Augustus Blizzleshaw - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:35:27 EST ID:sO5joD+S No.170265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You must be new here
Wesley Chommerway - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:57:26 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.170267 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It is a contest in a way.
When the news provides disproportionate coverage to an insignificant contributor to an issue, it distracts from the real contributor.
In this case, Russia is insignificant next to the failures the democrats willingly inflicted on themselves for the purposes of appeasing corporate donors, maintaining power within the organization, and simple incompetence due to being selected by corporate interests rather than their ability to act in the interest of their constituents.

Just as the Russia-Trump story distracted from all the legitimately harmful effects Trump has had on the country, a Russia-Moderate Democrats story distracts from all the harmful shit the moderate democrats have done to their own party and any chance at dozens of reforms in the interest of most Americans.
Nell Muvingwill - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:11:40 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.170268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're acting like no one knows about Democrats' incompetence or that people only know about the Russia investigation. Do you live in the USA? Are you completely ignorant of protests or other action, week after week, about children being ripped from their parents, gun control, net neutrality, women's day marches, DACA, NFL protests, AHCA/trumpcare, March for science, etc.

And you think these people are distracted or Russia has a monopoly on the news? You need a new news source.
Sophie Blimmlesore - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:57:33 EST ID:jafzsYrO No.170270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>what about this very narrow list of acceptable domestic issues that we're only allowed to talk about because they don't threaten corporate profits
Uh huh.

A better list would be Saudi interference, Israeli interference, Turkish interference, UAE interference, corporate interference, the coming economic collapse, reporting on Nazis that isn't "both sides" or a sympathetic slice-of-life fluff piece, the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Yemen, our complicity in the genocide of the Rohyinga, protests against US imperialism in Okinawa, our ongoing forever war in Afghanistan that we all decided to just stop talking about, ongoing arms sales to dictators and terror states, massive sketchy corporate mergers, our infrastructure falling apart, the fact that Flint and many other places still have poisonous water that again we all stopped talking about, rising homelessness, intelligence agency overreach and surveillance, gradual destruction of Dodd-Franken and general deregulation of Wall Street, ongoing crackdowns against indigenous protests against pipelines, BLM activists mysteriously showing up dead especially in Ferguson, the dishonest media presentation of seemingly posisitive unemployment and economic indicators, corporate and government complicity in the opioid crisis, progressive primary challenges from the left no, shitting on Ocasio-Cortez after the fact when it was clear the usual media blackout didn't work doesn't count, racially motivated FBI entrapment schemes, ongoing attempts to subvert and overthrow democratically elected governments in Latin America, Medicare-for-All as a positive alternative to Obamacare, peace on the Korean Peninsula as a good thing, actual pedos like Alan Dershowitz not only walking free but still being taken seriously and influencing government policy, the shadow war in Africa, funding jihadists in Syria and elsewhere, Puerto Rico, the real reasons why we got Trump in the first place...

And yes, most not-extremeley-online Americans are very ignorant of those topics, much more so than "Russia bad just a reminder".

I'm sure I missed a few so non-apologists feel free to add some more.
Sophie Blimmlesore - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:16:57 EST ID:jafzsYrO No.170273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
An example analysis from last year:
>“Maddow’s Russia coverage has dwarfed the time devoted to other top issues, including Trump’s escalating crackdown on undocumented immigrants (1.3 percent of coverage); Obamacare repeal (3.8 percent); the legal battle over Trump’s Muslim ban (5.6 percent), a surge of anti-GOP activism and town halls since Trump took office (5.8 percent), and Trump administration scandals and stumbles (11 percent)," the analysis reads.

So even the DNC- and corp-approved examples that you listed still got utterly dwarfed by this one topic.
Nell Muvingwill - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:00:52 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.170277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Again, pretending like people aren't aware of or even protesting more of the stuff you posted
Pretty sure someone mentioned the turkey priest earlier
People counter the neo nazi protests all the time

Like, I guess if you only look at MSNBC, you're going to be retarded, but that doesn't mean the rest of America is as ignorant as you are.

Not does it dilute the fact that Russians are basically taking out political ads on social media.
Sophie Shittingworth - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:56:03 EST ID:k4enMT4C No.170279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wtf spunky? This is a legitimate news story. The main geopolitical foe of the US is essentially backing one of its parties against the other one. This is a big deal especially since we have GOP congressmen taking meetings with Russians and backing their interests and the Russians are helping them in their political campaigns. The very institution of democracy itself, not just in the US but everywhere, is in danger. One country can effectively gain control over all the rest using this strategy. This is a fucking worldwide conquest and it should be everyone's number one story but most people are sleeping on it.
Martin Serringtodge - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:08:58 EST ID:T4JbmD3p No.170280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The main geopolitical foe of the US is essentially backing one of its parties against the other one. This is a big deal especially since we have leftist congressmen taking meetings with Russians and backing their interests and the Russians are helping them in their political campaigns. The very institution of democracy itself, not just in the US but everywhere, is in danger. One country can effectively gain control over all the rest using this strategy. This is a fucking worldwide conquest and it should be everyone's number one story but most people are sleeping on it.
I changed one word, but it still fits perfectly.

Interesting, that.
Sophie Shittingworth - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:15:21 EST ID:k4enMT4C No.170285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You mean it fit 30 years ago. Things have changed buddy. The Russians are grooming right wing politicians around the world now instead of leftists.
Wesley Chommerway - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:03:06 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.170286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's not a real ban, I'm sure if it was the thread would be locked.
Martin Serringtodge - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:13:10 EST ID:T4JbmD3p No.170287 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just to be clear, are you saying that you believe McCarthy was right?
Angus Hecklenidge - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:19:07 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.170316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Is that a problem?
Yes. Foreign nationals and corporations are prohibited from spending money to influence US elections. This is an FEC regulation.

>You might want to reword this in a way that doesn't sound like you want an ethnically segregated internet.

Oh. I thought you were arguing in good faith. How does anyone jump to this conclusion? Go ahead. Make some weird shitpost reply.
Isabella Burringson - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:25:08 EST ID:q/Vbz1tV No.170319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>This is an FEC regulation.
Go ahead and quote us the regulation that says foreigners aren't allowed to buy political ads on networks owned by global tech conglomerates.
Angus Hecklenidge - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:15:31 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.170323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
2 seconds of googling: 52 U.S.C. § 30121
Isabella Burringson - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:27:31 EST ID:q/Vbz1tV No.170324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did you actually read the law? It's about campaign contributions, not buying ads. It says nothing at all about third-parties posting ads on social media on their own time with their own money.

Do you need someone to explain to you the difference between "a campaign contribution" and "uploading a Facebook meme"?

Or did you perhaps already know that difference, and you knew it didn't actually help your case, which is why you just posted the statute number instead of quoting the part about social media, since there's nothing there about social media to quote?

Or did you just not actually read it?
Angus Hecklenidge - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:32:25 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.170325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Taking out an attack ad is a campaign contribution.
Isabella Burringson - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:06:34 EST ID:q/Vbz1tV No.170327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>In a decision that was later affirmed by the Supreme Court, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that the foreign national ban “does not restrain foreign nationals from speaking out about issues or spending money to advocate their views about issues. It restrains them only from a certain form of expressive activity closely tied to the voting process—providing money for a candidate or political party or spending money in order to expressly advocate for or against the election of a candidate.” Bluman v. FEC, 800 F. Supp. 2d 281, 290 (D.D.C. 2011), aff’d 132 S. Ct. 1087 (2012).

For what it's worth, lots of other people have cited this statute to argue that there was collusion going on when Donald Jr met with Russian lawyers. I have seen nobody cite this statute to argue that foreigners aren't allowed to shitpost about elections on social media. Even your fellow hardcore true believer "Hillary did nothing wrong" natsec neoliberal types only bring it up with respect to Donald Jr. You are the only one I've seen so far trying to apply this to social media.

There's probably a reason for that.
Charlotte Wurringpure - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:01:06 EST ID:BrTkqNnH No.170341 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's a heartwarming story of a couple of your average Trump voters.
>A 72-year-old Florida man was arrested last month after he was caught on video chasing down his neighbor on a tractor during a dispute over property, police said.
>Authorities had received a disturbance call around 8 p.m. When officers arrived on scene, Scott Lynch, 53, told them he with arguing with Morris, his neighbor, over property when the 72-year-old climbed onto his tractor and chased after him yelling, "Run, fat a**."

And these are the people we're up against...
Archie Bladdlebet - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 03:02:51 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.170343 Report Quick Reply

Sounds like a target rich environment. A shame American heroes aren't willing to pull the trigger on these trump traitors.

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