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Capitalist Are The Scum Of The Earth by Reuben Tootridge - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 23:59:35 EST ID:VYjx8rS/ No.170241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Basically as it stands fast food is already the worst possible job you could have if you lived in a place like the United States. For people who usually aren't even allotted a bathroom break in their 8-12 hour work days, franchise owners have somehow managed to make working in fast food an even more oppressive endeavor.

>Under a no-poach pact, companies agree to not hire away each other’s workers.
>The companies were asked to detail any no-poach pacts, including being asked whether they informed employees of potential agreements.
>Restaurant workers make a median of $9.81 per hour and $20,410 annually, according to the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics.
>The U.S. Justice Department has said that no-poach agreements are illegal under antitrust law since they restrict competition for employees and potentially deprive workers of better job opportunities. They have been found previously in the railroad industry and among some tech companies.
And what a surprise, most of the states being investigated happen to have large populations of economically disadvantaged minorities.
>Jurisdictions in the probe include California, District of Columbia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island

And not related but this article on Haiti I saw today is pretty informative,

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Caroline Drickledale - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:31:06 EST ID:8fOUBxDk No.170242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fast food jobs blow because of the customers, most of the time.
I’ve seen a fat ass bitch actually call the fucking cops because she was being denied a refund for FOURTY FUCKING BURGERS and was handed the wrong bag in a lunch rush. Bitch was going to have the place just throw away FOURTY burgers that her and her fat husband ordered. She goes into a frenzy, not even able to fully pronounce or construct sentences, and just calls the fuckin cops like they’re gonna hold a gun to the cashiers for her money back. Needless to say, she didnt get her fuckin refund and banned. LMAO. Also, a racist gave shit to my hispanic coworkers through a drive through because racism is now a thing again.

I dont really see why you made this thread, but yes, fast food fucking sucks
John Hasslebatch - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 01:35:05 EST ID:J+DByIsS No.170243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>takes the time to reply
>doesn’t take the time to read the article
Hedda Puddlespear - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:09:35 EST ID:WEVCmdnI No.170255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have no idea how the US became so anti labor. Yeah, I get that huge corporations run the government, but how do anti labor politicians keep getting elected? Like, do rank and file voters care more about being racist and homophobic than working conditions and putting food in the table?
Barnaby Fecklefield - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:18:13 EST ID:hPXU206k No.170256 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Older voters are old enough to remember when organized labor got in bed with the mob for a long time and basically acted as the mob's bank account. I think that's why especially a lot of older workers have a grave distrust of organized labor. They still remember when Hoffa disappeared off the face of the earth and somehow literally nobody was able or willing to explain why. Thtat's a pretty awful PR blemish to get out from underneath.
Hamilton Fiddlewet - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:23:38 EST ID:bwRwjG7j No.170257 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The Cold War and the red scare certainly helped. Just call everybody a commie, smash their union and say you just stopped a communist insurrection.
Shitting Blythestone - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:50:17 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.170276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Yeah, I get that huge corporations run the government, but how do anti labor politicians keep getting elected?

It's not that they're anti labour, but that unions have little significance to their careers. Corporations donate top dollar to their campaigns and can offer them cushy jobs if they fail re-election, while the crippled unions can do little but threaten small strikes, which will inevitably be sabotaged by scabs which the unions won't dare to touch unless they want to feed the corporate media tonnes of bad PR-ammunition.

You can be as pro-labour as you want, but if you want to get and keep political power, the rational choice of action is always to side with the big corporations - not the politically and economically irrelevant labour unions. Meanwhile, much of the 'left' (the part of it that receives any media exposure anyway) is too knee-deep in identity politics to realize that actually wielding political and economical power in the form of unions is one of the only ways to enact meaningful change. Mass-protests, burning cars and fighting far-right neckbeards on college campuses might feel worthwhile, but seems to have had absolutely zero effect so far.

Just imagine Occupy Wall-Street but without retarded idpol agent provocateurs and with strong labour unions threatening general strike if their demands weren't met. Perhaps [*}something[/*] would have actually happened.
OP - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:22:06 EST ID:63yG6/oA No.170281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well the Democrats do rely heavily on union money, unions give shit tons to democratic superPACs.

It's the union leadership themselves that are to blame really because they're the ones that hold their tongues when Democrats get into bed with these corporations in the first place. And more importantly union leadership itself is in bed with the very corporations they're supposed to be fighting to get concessions out of.

Most top paying positions in major labor unions are in the $100,000-$500,000 range. That's not CEO money exactly but that's still a lot of fucking money for a job where basically you sit on your ass and only negotiate a contract once every 5 years. Union leadership could give a fuck what their rank and file end up with because they're still gonna get paid their full salary regardless.

That's why everytime a union dispute makes it out into the media the union is always trying to force the corporations new terms on its workers, and it's the workers themselves that always end up standing alone against both their employer and their union. That's pretty much the history of every labor dispute in the last 40 years.

And God knows what kind of kickbacks these union officials are taking on the side.

American workers just have to realize at some point that no major victory for labor ever came about through the legislative process. Every single victory from child labor to overtime was only won by fighting it out in the streets.
Shitting Blythestone - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:48:40 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.170284 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Then we're talking more about unions as merely an extension of corporate interests, not as an independent force fighting for the interests of its members. I guess calling them "unions" is technically correct, but it kind of tarnishes the concept of labour unionism IMO by associating it with class treason, ineffectiveness and corruption. Calling them "corporate sell-out organizations" would be better.

I guess the only recourse is for workers to form their own proper unions and get learned in the art of organizing, and remake labour unionism from scratch.
Graham Blindertodge - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:41:06 EST ID:obhCrFEC No.170293 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Was? Something about unions and their culture has stayed. It's amazing criminals with face tattoos and drug habits can get full benefits and 30+ an hour for doing grunt work. Shit in Philadelphia feds busted unions for using extreme violence to extort companies who didn't use their labor. This was in the mid to late 2000s.

Why I'm happy to be from a right to work state with good ol boys instead of with northern guidos and junkies.
Sophie Bittingtetch - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:43:52 EST ID:43oF1WYf No.170307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why I'm happy to be from a right to work state with good ol boys instead of with northern guidos and junkies.
You're either trying way too hard or not trying enough, I'm not sure which
Ernest Cisslemedging - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:28:53 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.170335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Might just be a genuine opinion. I've lost all illusions when it comes to people's opinion of unionism. If they want to live in a society where the employer can get ever-richer by fucking them and their colleagues over, that's on them. My job can be kind of shit and back-breaking, but at least I get economically compensated for it due to strong unions who actually give a shit about their members. Were it up to our employers, we'd get the shit end of the stick every time.

I remember one time we unloaded 10 000 tonnes of steel pipes in record time. We got a lot of praise for our hard work (and it really is hard and potentially extremely dangerous), while the board and the higher ups in the administration got a big fat fucking bonus. Such is life in capitalism.
Martha Crublingdale - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:24:36 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.170338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I guess the only recourse is for workers to form their own proper unions and get learned in the art of organizing, and remake labour unionism from scratch.

Yeah, that won't happen in the US.

A) We are all too lazy
B) Trump will just ban the practice and his ass-licking Supreme Court will sign off on it.
Edwin Chibberbick - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:28:33 EST ID:W7K0QsDC No.170340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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C) The company closes the location once they hear the workers want to unionize
Eugene Pundlegold - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:36:45 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.170363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah, I've already kind of accepted the idea of things having to turn a lot for the worse in the U.S. before we'll see any real improvement. To say that it'll never happen is a tad pessimistic though. If quality of life for the average worker declines enough, I don't think any amount of anti-left/union propaganda will keep workers from demanding higher pay or better working conditions. I don't think you can condition people to completely disregard their own material interests forever.


Adding to this, regarding the pic: The way these huge, ugly cargo ships are given flowery, upbeat names like "Honesty Ocean", "Ocean Pearl", etc. is just fucking creepy when you know that they're all registered in Panama to avoid labour regulations so they can run their crew (usually from the Philippines) like slaves.
Ebenezer Crabberwill - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:31:15 EST ID:hPXU206k No.170364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>they're all registered in Panama to avoid labour regulations

Not quite. They're all registered in Panama because Panama's maritime regulations weren't written in the 19th century, like the U.S. and Europe. Commerce ships are rarely registered in the U.S. because of ancient protectionist rules dating to the 1800s that basically forbids any registered U.S. ship from leaving from or going to non-U.S. ports. Most european countries have very similar ancient maritime laws, some even older and even more idiotic.
Isabella Mibberford - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:18:54 EST ID:cs064rD0 No.170366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Modern meaning non-existent, correct?
Hannah Gegglehood - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:49:05 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.170367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seems like we could, you know, just repeal the old rules.
Also, IIRC wasn't some rule like that used to keep Puerto Rico from getting supplies. Like, only US ships were legally allowed to bring shit in after the hurricane.
Wesley Sonderdale - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 04:38:43 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.170381 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think zero income taxes, lack of oversight, regulation enforcement and protection of workers' rights are also big factors in explaining why foreign ship owners tend to flag for Panama. Thinking otherwise is to be willfully naive.

Martin Medgeforth - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 10:06:03 EST ID:Ttbzrq9s No.170394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I almost feel bad for people who work fast food but there are just much better unskilled jobs out there. You've gotta have a deficiency or something to be doing that for a living so I guess you're getting out what you are capable of putting in.
Nigel Driddlegold - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:13:58 EST ID:Lmiy54A7 No.170401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In places like inner cities low end food service jobs are the only thing available. It's either McDonald's or you don't work at all. Fuck places like Detroit don't even have access to grocery stores or walmarts because they only build them in the suburbs.
Nigel Driddlegold - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:37:16 EST ID:Lmiy54A7 No.170404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Former Fiat Chrysler labor negotiator Al Iacobelli admitted spending more than $1.5 million in cash and gifts on high-ranking UAW members, including Holiefield
>Morgan, a prominent photographer in the Detroit area, was married to General Holiefield, who was a UAW vice president before his 2015 death. She pleaded guilty earlier this year to a tax crime.
>According to Gardey, Morgan traveled first-class, spent tens of thousands of dollars and helped funnel $325,000 to a fake hospice, the paper reported. In addition, her photography business received about $80,000 through bogus photography courses, the report said.

Thomas Marringdock - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 23:17:14 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.170407 Report Quick Reply

Fox is literally fake news.
Lillian Braggleworth - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 02:02:41 EST ID:Lmiy54A7 No.170411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Analyze the content, not the cover
Phyllis Drivinghore - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 06:06:52 EST ID:J+DByIsS No.170416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think this would be a good article for everyone to read.

Charles Nobbleshaw - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:58:14 EST ID:KqIP00sr No.170467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The jobs that made my feet hurt, drenched me in sweat and sent me home with bloody hands all paid minimum wage.

Every job I've had where I sit in front of a computer, in an air conditioned office, where my boss had no real way of tracking if I was even doing my work or not all paid significantly more.

The world is a fuck.

Stop voting for people who talk about jobs, vote for people who talk about wages.

Also rent should be illegal.
Charlotte Dinkinchotch - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:15:15 EST ID:iIrBkpiC No.170478 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck Guvingpeck - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 23:08:32 EST ID:xbWLTQO9 No.170501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Welcome to a world in which labour has no value.
William Punnershaw - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 05:20:05 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.170546 Report Quick Reply

Get enough people to go on strike and they'll see how much value labor really has. I think about two weeks of everyone saying "Fuck you I'm not coming in" would cause even the most stubborn fucker to shit their pants in terror.
Molly Chebbertire - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:49:55 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.170551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want to believe you, but we have almost no unemployment now - work is going undone - yet wages and working conditions still aren't improving.

That's probably a multi layer problem, largest of which is a lack of labor organization...
Oliver Nuzzlestudge - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:38:07 EST ID:hPXU206k No.170554 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Not feasible. Way too many scabs out there these days.
Lydia Nazzlemock - Wed, 25 Jul 2018 23:44:23 EST ID:xAmHx9MV No.170737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes it's feasible, you just need to build solidarity with the precariat. Tenant unions are a clear path forward.

It's damn easy if you are in logistics or manufacturing. Our current industrial landscape has become so optimized and streamlined that any disruption even temporary will result in massive losses for capitalists.

The capitalist world has become all about waste reduction and "Just In Time" production. Inventories and stock piles are now waste. Trade routes have crystallized. Goods are not made until they are ordered. This is the new terrain and it is brittle. A single hour warehouse strike in Chicago hits capitalists all around the world.

Worker have also been stressed to the max to get the most out of every minute of wage labor. Worker productivity has skyrocketed while wages and conditions have stagnated by recording, analyzing and optimizing the workforce. This means every minute they stop working is more profit loss than ever before.
Henry Pevingfark - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 02:38:12 EST ID:WAqU87C7 No.170738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
try being a line cook
coworkers pride themselves on being fucked over
macho culture
Hannah Sissleshaw - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 04:32:27 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.170739 Report Quick Reply

This. If there was a movement directed at warehouse workers and retail workers alone to go on strike and demand better working conditions and better pay and if they went on strike it would devastate corporate bottom lines.

There wouldn't even need to be total solidarity either. If even a third of the workers decided to participate, it would cause a massive disruption and immediately start punching holes in the bottom line. It doesn't even have to be an outright strike. The workers could still show up for work and either do fuck all during the strike or intentionally fuck things up in little ways, like "accidentally" dropping product that then needs to be tossed, sending things to the wrong address, "forgetting" to load things on to trucks, etc. Small, subtle acts of sabotage.
Augustus Wullerlock - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 06:47:45 EST ID:mJ6Z6b6E No.170740 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Get back to work lazy asses.
Albert Moddleway - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:35:12 EST ID:di9oWR+o No.170742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Employment at near record lows
>Way too many scabs
This doesn't add up. It's now, when labor is short on supply and high in demand, and corporate profits are at record highs, or never.
Edwin Sizzledotch - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:47:45 EST ID:Sud11qrv No.170743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Because they reduced and even combined jobs its why it's record low.
Augustus Brookford - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:12:03 EST ID:D0dX5jpt No.170744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The working class is unneeded anymore.
Can't wait for automation to take the low class commie union scumbags jobs.
Phyllis Bendlenure - Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:52:17 EST ID:3E+uYiLw No.170747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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  1. Automation will also replace white collar work, probably earlier than blue collar work (medical, judicial, logistical, financial and bureaucratic work for example), because that is easier to automate.

2. Some blue collar work is really hard to automate. I'd like to see you try to figure out how to automate my job, for instance. The only way I can see it happen is if you make a massive investment into changing and re-building the existing infrastructure at my workplace to specifically accommodate automation, but so far, nobody seems to be willing to put that much money and energy into it (and we're talking a fucking shitload of capital here). The same applies to a lot of other blue-collar professions, from construction to repairing, etc.

3. If unemployment rises as a result of automation, you can be sure more 'commies' will come out of the woodwork and social instability and crime will be an inevitable result of that increased unemployment. If you want a stable society, you need to accommodate the wishes of the working class you loathe so much regardless of your retarded feels.

4. Elitist cunts like you will go to gulag where you'll learn what hard work actually means, and where you can actually contribute to something for once in your life.
Hugh Cossleville - Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:01:59 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.170748 Ignore Report Quick Reply

See you at the gulags, friend.
Jenny Blackshit - Fri, 27 Jul 2018 12:38:32 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.170749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>3. If unemployment rises as a result of automation, you can be sure more 'commies' will come out of the woodwork and social instability and crime will be an inevitable result of that increased unemployment.
I mean, a basic income would be the desirable result, but yeah, if people aren't working and have no money, then crime will rise.

It all ties back to the fact that our corporate masters are giving us just enough of a carrot to keep us from revolting, but more and more people are becoming hip to the fact that, based on corporate earnings, ou they're getting our work at a huge discount.
Hugh Cossleville - Fri, 27 Jul 2018 13:52:53 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.170750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The jobs that do exist, a significant portion of which forces the majority to get more than 1 job.
William Barrywune - Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:09:36 EST ID:6QxjIkAE No.170751 Ignore Report Quick Reply

People assume development of automation technology means more welfare but it usually means more people struggling. For instance what they described in list 3. Is exactly what happened when farm work became largerly machine work, look if up and study what happened during the depression for real for real cause most people act like it was just something that happened, an almost natural occurrence, which aint true. People also make this assumption about the Irish patatoe famine.
Simon Pettingfuck - Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:21:03 EST ID:ecD+XkHt No.170756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'd like to see you try to figure out how to automate my job

lmfao computers will be able to jack off on their own just fine, pretty soon
Martin Buzzshaw - Sun, 29 Jul 2018 01:18:07 EST ID:mg0Zq4k1 No.170758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Irish potatoe famine
Like how there was plenty of other food available besides potatoes, but they were for export, so let the peons starve.

Concerning unemployment figures, it depends on which stats you check since the main one disincludes people who've given up looking for work. So the unemployment rate is alot bigger than the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics' metric.

Just as Hugh >>170750 pointed out, alot of employment is now through temporary, part-time labor. After the Great Recession there was a major shift from full-time permanent jobs to temp low hours, variable, or seasonal work. So the temp workforce is even more precarious and on top of that could easily be brought in to fill positions of full-time permanent workers who are on strike or disobedient.

(>>170551) Union jobs also have clauses in their contracts that disallow union workers from doing strikes or work stoppages or slowdowns. So the union barely negotiates on our behalf, with little to no input from the people they represent, and at the same time their contract allows the higher-ups to fire people if they rock the boat too much.

(>>170284) If you try to start your own union in a workplace already with a union, it wont be long before everyone trying to organize their own union is fired without the official union backing them up. Of course there are exceptions such as IWW, which is a shell of its former glory. The history of its failure is an interesting one. The new direction of trying to organize in small businesses and even do prison solidarity work is promising though.

>>170293 Right for those other guys to take my job, am i right.

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