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>The whole "meat is diabetus" thingI kindly point you in this direction (the ADA): http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/planning-meals/meal-planning-for-vegetarians/
>Research supports that following this type of diet [vegetarianism] can help prevent and manage diabetes. In fact, research on vegan diets has found that carbohydrate and calorie restrictions were not necessary and still promoted weight loss and lowered participants' A1C [A1C is a blood glucose test regularly used on diabetusics]The bold emphasis is added for anybody who remembers that weightloss thread where I argued that calorie-intake in significant compared to the power of the plantside. us star wars fans have nothing left these days leave me my pun
>Anyway we've regained our old height because we can refrigerateAre you sure this is true? It seems like a short period of time for such an effect to be had. Modern refrigeration began in the mid 1700's (William Cullen in 1748 specifically), and refrigeration began seeing use around the turn of the 19th Century. Before that we know that more primitive forms of refrigeration have perhaps been in use for hundreds, in not thousands, of years. I'd be interested in hearing more on the topic if you're knowledgeable about it.
>On the whole most meat versus health things fail to control for other factors and that graph is another example. It doesn't account for the quality of healthcare and equality of income (well, level of poverty), crime rates, alcoholism, obesity and exercise and so on.I don't believe that this discounts the arguments for meat, egg, and dairy products' ill-effects on human health, however I agree that classism, among other things, is an important factor in health, to be sure, and that it is both rarely ever taken and difficult to take into account in research studies.
>Dude everyone loves meat, it's not due to advertising.I see where you're coming from, and I agree, at least partially. Historically, lipids and salts were rare for humans, so we developed a preference for them. This makes people more prone to enjoying meats like chicken, steak, or pork, but even more prone to enjoying salted processed meats like bacon, sausage, and salami. So in that sense, yeah we have one source of meat-love that isn't driven by advertising. However, and I suspect you'd agree with this, advertising does have an impact on a people's diet, just as culture does. That's why consumption of meat, dairy, and/or eggs varies from culture to culture and so on. Not as gratifying as a black/white conclusion, but it seems rational that evolutionary dispositions (loving meat), culture, and marketing have an effect on diet and consumption rates. No doubt other things have an impact too, like availability and class, as someone mentioned earlier.
>If anything then vegetarianism is a huge upcoming trend and market right now, so I don't see how you're not posting the same graphs with vegetarianism, i bet it increased the last few years due to its marketing. Marketing spending for meat and dairy products vastly outpaces marketing for vegan products, partially because plant-based products are not subsidized with tax-payer money like meat and dairy products are, so while it is true that people are increasingly turning to more plant-based diets in recent years, it's also true that more people are making said decisions for health-related reasons.
If the US Center for Disease Control is anything to look to (and to be fair, most other country's share this stance), processed meats are particarly dangerous to consume, like ham, salted fish et al. From what my friend says (he's well-learned in health science), something about consuming meats that have been exposed to salt is bad, that salt causes a reaction in meats that makes it less healthy to consume. He also advised me that dairy products have dangerous levels of avian and bovine natural hormones present, which are the leading causes for testicular cancers in men ages 20-35. Lastly, he warned that eggs carry many of the same hormones while also containing unhealthy levels of cholesterol (I think 1200mg was the figure he cited). Of course, this is all assuming that you're foods don't contain artificial hormones and toxins, which is rarely the case.
Since I'm sort of preaching (forgive me guys), I feel I should also point out that in the US, our water systems are underfunded and falling into chaos. I'm sure plenty of you have heard of Flint Michigan, where the US has allowed lead-poisoned water to continuously flow to residents (and if you haven't heard of Flint, then maybe one of the dozens of other US cities facing this issue), so I just want to advise you to be careful about what water you drink. If you pay for expensive bottled waters, maybe consider checking out your providing company's water source/quality reports (also look into the plastic contaminants that you can expect to find in your water's bottle packaging), and if you drink from the tap (for way less money), then look up your town or city's annual water quality report and see if there's anything in there that warrants substantial concern.
I only write all this because we live in an increasingly polluted world, and it's important to look after people you care about. My family and friends are pretty proactive about health matters, but I imagine that /nom/ is more diverse, and I don't want any of you guys to have balls-cancer, or diabetes, or heart disease, or obesity, etc.
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