SAP gloves are a godsend in a fight if you spring for a quality pair, but if you skimp on them and get a cheap pair, then they're not worth the money. Knuckle dusters are practically illegal everywhere in the U.S. (Assuming that's where you're from, correct me if I'm wrong) and you will get into deep shit if you get seen with them, let alone use them in most places.

As for lighters and rolls of coins. The object is not only to add weight but to fill the gap in the center of your hand when you close your fist, making it more solid. And yes, you can break your hand really easily this way. That's why it is sometimes considered to be more of a hail mary than anything else. You might only get one hit, but that might be all you need.

wear gold rings op my 5'5 uncle knocked out a big huge 6-7 foot jolly african-american in one punch with gold rings on shit was awesome

>>32469
thats what i ment by square up, filling the hole in the center of my hand. i figured there was some reason why you wanted something there,

you pretty much confirmed what i thought though, except added one more conundrum, why do pepole say brass knuckles will fuck your hand up when lighters and cons will as well, and probably more effectivly.

personally i want a pair just to have em because i think there cool. they arent expensive and if i do get into a skrulle im more then likely not going to be the assailant. understandably carrying these would not be an every day thing, shit i dont even carry a knife.

>>32477

Dude, just get the superexpensive stylish murder weapon sap gloves and be done with it then. God nb

the whole point of adding weight to your fist is to increase your punches momentum. even when its a small amount it makes a difference with speed. also it protects your knuckles from collapsing when punching causing a lose in momentum. if you do get a pair of knuckles you can get em cheap on the internet thats where i got a pair. they defiantly do the job better then anything else just very illegal depending where you are. and if your gonna use them and punch someone in the head be prepared to possibly kill him cause you can easily depress a mans skull with knuckles

A better question: If mall ninjas like nutnfancy are so obsessed with reducing weight, why are they all so fucking fat?

Seriously, you're crowing about lightening your carbean by 3 ounces. Meanwhile, you've added 400 ounces to your giant gut and man tits.

It's the same reasoning as painting flames on the side of your car.

>>32482

But what about full auto shotgun AK's? is that like so much manly that it goes back to being mall ninja fodder and that is why a lot of people talk shit about the Saiga?

huh? HUH?!

>>32486

or an AK that fires 1911's

>>32487

A 1911 that shoot shotguns shooting full auto AK shotguns?

...Too much?

>>32463
Haha, no argument here buddy.
Your points are spot on with mine, and logic (as far as I can tell).
The only reason why you'd have a knife and martial arts training is for use as a seat belt. After that, other things that have positive impact on your life ( discipline, fun, fitness, etc.)

Knife is to stab razor is to slash obviously. For self defense I wouldn't recommend a razor because if the person assaulting you has layered clothes on your fucked. A knife isn't going to do you much better but at least you have the option to stab, which is a whole lot easier.

>>32474 blades are generally a bad idea unless you are actually trained, disarms are much easier than proper strikes, IF you do bust out a weapon your opponent probably will too meaning all you'll really be doing is escalating the situation

>>32446
to answer your question

Its only good as an attacking tool rather than a self defense tool.

Its what very old school gangsters used to use to scalp people or cut people up.
Hold them down and slash them to teach them a lesson or what ever.

pic sort of related

>>32446
Their are two issues with straight razors:

1) Not being designed as weaponry, their fragile as shit. The blade is only a little thicker than poster board, and will chip and break if it hits anything hard- I've seen one ruined after contact with a largish stick. The handles are also pretty flimsy.

2) (And most important) There isn't any lock keeping the blade in position, just your fingers grabbing the hook. Which is fine as long as all contact is on the front of the blade- but if something hits the _back_ of the blade, the razor is going to tend to close. And the only thing stopping that is the back of your fingers, which will now be subject to the blade being slammed into them, possibly forcefully, before it hits bone and shatters.

So, even thought they seem cool, their a shitty weapon against anyone who is marginally able to fight back. Probably the only things they are good for is intimidation, and disfiguring prostitutes, which is why they are somewhat popular with pimps but nearly unheard of in, say, the marines.

>>32471

>The safety features were probably added in a meeting with my friend's face on everyone's laptop and "KEEP HIM FROM SHOOTING HIS TESTICLES OFF" in big letters on the whiteboard.

lmao

Well I'm making a gunbroker auction, I figure I might actually make some money getting some old lady from California to buy it. Done that with a few bad purchases, resold for more than it was worth.

Makes me feel incredibly anti-semitic.

>>32449
So you paid for a gun you apparently did absolutely no reading on or even fucking held at a store and you complain about the obvious features and feel of it? I have also never seen one that has the markings "elevated when loaded". What is this about a suppressor? This isn't cod, why the fuck would you put a suppressor on a pocket carry gun?

>>32483

Hush now child, I clearly made some mistakes.

>>32483
Suppressors have a legitimate use in reducing hearing damage without having to wear ear protection during target shooting out in the woods or whatever. They're one of those things that's honestly better left restricted though, not banned outright but with a financial barrier and special background check.

In response to OP's post, some of those things don't seem like the worst idea, like the indicator for a chambered round and lock that prevents discharge if there's no magazine. While following the tenants of gun safety makes these redundant, accidents happen. I would liken it to the "city safety" radars you're beginning to see on top of the line Volvos and other auto makes, which automatically apply the brakes when a pedestrian darts out or you forget to brake in stop and go traffic. While anyone with a license in their wallet should be utterly confident in their ability to stop their car on short notice, mistakes happen to the best of us, and a lot of the worst of us still drive. The extra safety key does seem excessive, and the old notion of a "safety" device causing the weapon not to fire in the critical moment being more of a harm then a help springs to mind. Suppose it could be kept on your keychain and used to secure the weapon when it was not being actively carried, reducing the risk of the neighbor's kid over to play shooting himself in the stomach, but someone careless enough to leave his weapon lying around certainly isn't mentally fit to use a safety key on it (or posses one at all). You only need a light trigger on a match grade pistol or hunting rifle.

I own an LC9 and haven't had any real issue than having the mag eject in my pocket and the safty flicking itself off in some situations. There are things you can do about most of the stuff you don't like though. You can disable the mag release safty and put in a flat chamber indicator, there are even some aftermarket trigger things you can do to it.

>>29782
Cold Steel actually has great weapon knives. Only real downside is the fact none of their folders come with a wave feature standard. But that can be remedied with some simple modding.

Shit, they even produce a push dagger with a usable sheath.

>>29782

>non-lethal strike surface
>bash in skulls

I've got that knife, and I will say it's served me well for an EDC the last 2 years. It has certainly never failed me. As a self defense weapon knife, I don't think it's out of the question. But make no mistake if you use that pommel on a skull if you don't know what you're doing(and hell, if you do) you're likely to puncture the skull. They're called skullcrushers for a reason. And you're likely to be charged for using it as that. But a shot to the ribs or arm are just as effective when subduing an attacker.

Spydies are great because you can wave most of them with zipties.

Otherwise, I'd say that you should look into Emerson. They make excellent knives.

In my opinion, the best all-round spyderco is the Endura 4 Wave. Everything you'd want except for a full-flat grind.

I just got a spyderco delica 4 and I love it. It is my first syderco and definitely not the last if they are all like this. Some of them are made in America which is a big selling point for me. I strongly recommend their knives and the price is well worth it. The wave feature is awesome and I don't mind the lack of an assisted open because I can deploy it just as fast.

I have also had an CRKT M16-10KZ which was an absolutely awesome knife for the 5 years I had it. The flipper was awesome, the teflon bearing stayed silky smooth through even the worst mud, it took effort to give it an edge but it held it well, and the double lock was a feature I miss greatly. I will probably get a new one in the family and switch between that and the spyderco. CRKT makes awesome knives at a cheap price. Only reason I don't have it is because I gave it to my buddy who carries it daily now.

I used to carry a gerber paraframe which had a blade that didn't hold a razor edge well and neither has the parasurvival fixed blade they make but they hold a fine edge well enough for daily work. Gerber is a nice quality beat around knife company that is reliable.

If you want budget and awesome look at the kershaw blur, onion, or scallion. They all are awesome EDC knives, nice blades, and all can be had for 20-30 USD in walmart and many sporting goods stores. Kershaws are solid EDC knives.

carried a kershaw blur for almost five years now. Does everything I need it to. I don't really see the wave feature as being critical, the speedsafe system on my kershaw is plenty quick. I also like the blade profile of the blur more than the spyderco knives.

Although the torsion bar did just break (after five years of constant use) so I'm waiting on them so send me a new one, but the knife is still plenty easy to open without it, it just doesn't snap open with a flick like it used to. I also really love the fact that it's an american made product with a full lifetime warranty.

>>32406

>Really now? I'm backpedalling what exactly, that he was too stupid/angry to even understand crude humor

I am him. I am the same person you responded to.

You idiot.

So.. improvised weapons..

>>32408

>Yes, anybody who doesn't think you are funny is stupid.

it has nothing to do with whether the joke was of any quality, and frankly I never claimed it was. It was the fact that he didn't even recognize such an obvious (and crude) joke, and subsequently couldn't control his rage and started spewing irrelevant ad homs - all while accusing me of the exact same thing. He seemed to realize the joke a couple of posts down, and instead of seeing it for what it was (/pol/ 's equivalent of calling some one a "faggot") he insists it some sort of persistent and malicious personal attack against him.

>I made fun of his eternal god of all that is good and right.

see above. He realized several posts down.

>So original. Along with your Ron Paul zingers, we clearly have a comedic mastermind on our hands.

"Fuck actually arguing, lets just call the other guy unfunny/stupid/etc. You see the irony here right? Never mind the fact that it wasn't a joke.

What exactly is so wrong about that statement, you want your unregulated weaponry ? You got it. You want being able to shoot said weaponry at coloreds with little or no legal consequence? You got it. You enjoy constantly going over different ways to kill everyone within a 50ft radius of you at all times ? You'd better.

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>>32398

Taken from a thread on /n/. Yet again, things aren't always so black and white.

>As soon as the Nazis took over, [...] they took ALL guns away from EVERYBODY, except other Nazis

That is a lie.
In 1933, the NS only confiscated the guns of a handful of Jews, mostly in Berlin. The justification given for that was that in the 1928 gun control law inherited from the Weimar Republic it said gun ownership is to be restricted to "persons whose trustworthiness is not in question," which was not the case for Jews anymore after Jewish organizations worldwide had declared economic, financial and propaganda war on Germany:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/jewishwar.cfm

In 1938, when the majority of Germany's Jews had already emigrated, Hitler reformed the gun control laws, greatly relaxing them in the process (for example, long guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of validity of a permit to carry hand guns was extended from one to three years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the number of firearms an individual could own were dropped)
While they did take away guns from Jews (who were considered foreigners rather than German citizens and were gradually being stripped of their citizen rights in order to persuade them to emigrate), and SS/SA members etc. did enjoy less restrictions on pistols (ordinary citizens needed a permit for pistols, members not), nobody had to turn in his legally bought guns just because he wasn't a member of the NSDAP.
I can dig up and show you the original laws if you want.

At the end of the Second World War, American GIs in the occupying force were astounded to discover how many German civilians owned private firearms. Tens of thousands of pistols looted from German homes by GIs were brought back to the United States after the war. In 1945 General Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans were required to hand in their shotguns and rifles as well as any handguns which had not already been stolen. In the Soviet occupation zone German civ…

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>>32417

Thanks for ruining the thread.

>>32424

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_currently_active_United_States_military_land_vehicles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_currently_active_United_States_military_watercraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yys5iioLUNw

>>32428

Ah. Why so mad, bro?

?

:)

>>32418
WHOA!!! Did you just see that, it went right over your head. Its called sarcasm, I was really hoping to ignite a logical conversation about how the 2nd amend needs to be brought up to date (not abolish it).
You know, it being about the right to have a well organized and armed militia to protect against an oppressive government, NOT stocking up on guns for your own personal arsenal.


nb for the sheer idiocy

>>32171

I am familiar with this feel brethren.

No worries though, these types will be dead within 1-3 days of SHTF.

YAS

thats a shit movie
nb for shit movie

looks like a worthless piece of shit. all of you are being too optimistic, and you're not taking into account the reality of a situation requiring lethal force. if you want to let your chances of surviving a nasty encounter depend on something that is lethal under certain conditions (where it hits, how far away you are, your personal accuracy, etc.) go ahead and keep it. I wouldn't carry most revolvers, even though almost all of them are better than that. it's not entirely because of the caliber, but really? .22 for self defense?

almost everyone I know that's currently overseas says no one wants .223 anymore because it's lethal, (the same kind of lethal that .22 is) but not consistently enough to depend upon. everyone wants the scar heavy, because they've learned it's more worth it to carry smaller amounts of 7.62x39 because you don't go through as much ammo when you don't have to hit someone 5 or more times. it's not that hard to understand. bigger bullets means more damage. sell that garbage (you're lucky to get over 65) and start saving up for something worth your time.

>>32396

You may want to read what you actually type.

Before this turns into a full out .22 war id like to say something, Thank you. I would definitely keep it, It would make a great training gun with ammo being cheap (500 rounds for 20$) and with low recoil you can shoot it all day without hurting you're wrists. Also to get a slice of the action I would like to divert you're attention to this link.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-166207.html

>>32396

Slow down there Rambo. I don't think OP said he was planning on using it to kill people. There's other (recreational) uses for firearms beyond using them to blow away the proverbial bad-guy.

Op here (finally got home)
>>32396 I'm not a fan of Steven Seagal but thanks for the input.
>>32393 Thanks a bunch , gonna send this thing to a gunsmith soon.
>>32411 this is mostly what i want to do , I live in a pretty safe place.

Thank you all , I'll have yer advices in mind.

>>32332
Not a particularly short spear...

Comment>>32335
well compared to the pikes of yore its not long. Short was misleading.

Maybe I just got a really good mosin (Which is unlikely, seeing as I just picked mine up off of the rack at a store and got it for ~$100), but I never had any of the problems that people complain about with the bolt.

Mine is smooth as butter, extremely easy to cycle, etc. When I first bought it, I took the entire thing apart and set all of the metal parts in a bath of mineral spirits. Afterwards, I made sure everything was cleaned with soapy water and greased it up.

Even after the rifle gets good and hot from being at the range for an hour or two, it's still nice and smooth.

Maybe yours just needs a better cleaning?

Clean it and lube it. You probably still have some cosmoline still in there somewhere. Disassemble the bolt and scrub everything down with mineral spirits until they're completely clean, then spray the inner workings with Break Free CLP. (or WD40, but Break Free CLP is awesome) then make sure there are no abnormalities in the chamber, then try a dry fire cycle before you even think about putting any more rounds in it.

Nagant actions aren't necessarily butter-smooth, but they shouldn't need to be manhandled either.

I had the same problem, but then I realized the damn thing was built by Russians. So I stopped limp-wristing it and threw more muscle into the action. That stopped the problem right there. In short, any problems ran into with a Mosin can be solved by elbow grease, drinking, and hitting.

>>30587
You should really get back on the wagon man, all your posts I've seen lately have been complete shit and nobody likes you.

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>>32372

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>>32354

Well, I don't think it is the guide rod because I can see it there in the chamber as I'm chambering a round and it's not getting close to the round. The problem seems to be the bullet scraping on the rim of the barrel as it's being fed into it. There aren't any burrs on the barrel, I cleaned it pretty well. I think maybe the barrel might not be fitting properly. Something isn't aligned properly.

>>32364
Yeah, the guide rod would never actually touch the round, but if it were bent it could maybe cause the bolt to not be aligned properly, and that could cause the round to scrape on something as it is chambered.

Is the extractor ok? If you push it to the side does it snap back into place right away?
Also, have you tried multiple magazines?

>>32365

Yeah I've tried all my magazines, they're all Ruger mags, 10 rounders and the BX-25, happens consistently regardless of the mag. The extractor snaps back just fine too, so I'm gonna take a second look at the bolt and guide rod like you said.

Sorry for a lack of pictures, I still can't find my camera. I think someone borrowed it.

did you remove the barrel before you took a torch to the receiver? maybe it came loose or out of alignment or something?

>>32368

Yeah I did, I've noticed it's scraping against the lower rim of the barrel when it's being fed into it, that's what is causing the gouging. It's basically like the magazine isn't positioned correctly when it's fed into the rifle, alignment issue. I imagine the same thing would happen if I accidentally whacked the magazine while it was in the rifle.