and i know i implied females are dumber in general, and while they're not, environmental shit makes them generally act and talk dumber. like african americans with their socio-economic shit. doesn't mean i think they're inherently more stupid.

ITT: sinister's a faggot
NB

You seem like an alright person OP, if you haven't taken the pills by now then don't. Just ask him if he has any pain meds he can give you or if you can trade, buy from him. If he says no then just forget about it for now at least. Why do you ask though? You don't need our approval or permission to steal and you don't want to go down that path either. I used to do the same thing but I kept stealing more and more. You say it will never happen again so maybe you can get away with it but I wouldn't feel right telling you to go ahead and steal shit. This board got off topic lol what are we all one married couple? I don't care if you guys have morals or not how does that help him? It really doesn't cause it seems some of you are boasting about it, and now I've gone off topic!!! If he won't be a champ and give/trade/sell you some maybe he really needs them or just plain forgot they are there. I doubt he forgot so if you asked him already and he said no wait like 2-4 weeks and if none are missing then fine give up and take a couple. But only a couple!!! Ok son?

>>446226
Im here.

ITT this whole debate is pretty funny and people are missing the entire point by ganging up on sinister and hanging on a specific word or phrase he used and jumping to conclusions. From what I gather he's just trying to explain psychology/physiology of an addicts mind - which we all know is different from the non-addicted person.
Im pretty sure we can all agree that stealing is an awful thing to do...however (and im not excusing addicts saying its ok)...but their brains are hijacked and they rationalize the theft as a necessary part of their survival.
Yes they still know its wrong. But there is a sense of loss of control of morals and things that truly matter (relationships with people you may steal from) BC when youre sick all your brain cares about is getting more.

If you claim to be an addict that "never stole" then consider the times you LIED to your mom about needing money for food...or perhaps you hooked a buddy up and dipped into the bag or ripped him off whatever....if you still claim you always upheld your morals then hell you obviously weren't shooting up enough heroin for a significant amount of time.
my point is that you eventually get to a point in addiction where your mom's tired of lending you money you've ponned your tv and your dealers wont "front" anymore if you dont use you cant function for obligations and if you miss work you get fired if you get fired you lose apartment if you lose your apartment youre homeless not to mention have no $ coming in to feed your addiction.

>>446477
Your name rings a huge bell. I've browsed 420chan on/off for about 5-6 years, so I have no idea from what. I'm gunna classify my questions relating to your post to make it easier for you or anyone to answer. But thanks a lot for your input, I'm going to dose the way you said.

Opiates and Alcohol:
Since Tramadol is different, how does it work when in combination with alcohol? Can I take Tramadol in the morning, have it wear off by dinner, and drink medium-heavily around after dinner? How about Tramadol the morning after? I'm going to be drinking 6-7 beers tonight and plan to take 150mg Tramadol the morning after. Assuming APAP has been CWE'd. And if I took, let's say 1.5-2.5G of APAP, would it be okay to drink the night after? That's still under, right? Or should no risks be taken like that? How many weeks should I wait? (Just for curiosity questions, it is not hard to CWE)

Serotonin Syndrome and other health risks compared to traditional opiates:
How often would taking Tramadol be considered to be at risk for SS? Because it is bad for MDMA. Does Tramadol have anything else, it being an SNRI? It seems like a completely new drug to me now.

>Yeah you can stack/stagger doses but IMO it's more effective on E you're taking more than ~200mg.

Wait, on E? Ecstasy?

>>446489
He's Quetz, he's a contender for best mod on 420chan along with Derelict and INTERPOL

>>446311
no one has any issues with this guy wanting to CWE a gram of codeine?

OP your answer is either take both of the codeine pills, it can't matter how you swallow them, with water, without, whatever, you can't do yourself any damage with less than 8g of apap. or, take most if not all of the tramadol. again, there's not enough apap in all of your pills to harm you.

>so I can't just man up and take 1.3G of APAP

jesus fucking christ. 1.3g of apap is going to hit your liver about as hard as 13 g of alcohol. that's less than 1.5 standard drinks.

I can literally find NO coffee filters or anything of the sort here in Vietnam. ANY other substitutes? i'm going to just pop my 150tram/1.3gAPAP anyway since it's been made clear it's nothing, but this is for the following week when i'm going to ingest a shit ton of codeine. anything to potentate codeine/tram? almost impossible to find good quality 100% grapefruit juice here.

>>446500
thanks for the info, i was just being paranoid about ingesting 1.3g of APAP half a day before several beers. but thanks for clearing that up bluntly with me. my opi friends always stress out the fact that DO NOT TAKE ANY AMOUNT OF APAP LIKE THAT 2 WEEKS BEFORE DRINKING. i guess they're also being paranoid

also another question, 2g apap hurts the hell out of my stomach half the day after and in the middle my sleep, that is normal, correct? just a question for the general health of my liver, i know 2g isn't shit now. someone's told me i might have liver problems because i can't eat any sort of fruit/snack that is sweet or anything with fat and grease or my stomach will start hurting horribly off a few bites. of course i take that with very light consideration, i'm going to see a doctor when i get back, cause i don't know shit about what a liver does.

>>446513

>cause i don't know shit about what a liver does

The way I understand it the liver is an enzyme factory that metabolizes a lot of things. I know for sure it is hard worker when it comes to simple carbohydrates like alcohol and sugars. Apparently bile is involved in the digestion of fat but it happens in the intestines.

http://bcs.whfreeman.com/thelifewire/content/chp50/5002001.html

Liver damage is accumulative but the liver is also capable of repairing itself if you quit kicking it in the teeth for any amount of time. I had a fatty liver as a kid. It was about 75% fatty(the liver is way bigger than it needs to be) according to the MRI. I had no symptoms. The MRI was for something else and it just happened to pick up the liver. After reducing my soft drink intake to 2 cans a day for 6 months, the follow up MRI found I had a normal liver.

If you can get drunk without problems but grease and sugar make you sick I'd say you have a sensitive stomach and maybe an ulcer. Do you stay drunk for unusually long times? If you don't then your liver is metabolizing alcohol well. A normal liver can metabolize a can of beer, a glass of wine, or a shot 80 proof anything in an hour if this CDL manual from the DMV can be believed.

>People vary in their responses, so it's hard to say what an overdose is for any particular individual. Poison control experts generally consider 10 to 12 grams at one time an overdose, but even 8 grams can be dangerous in someone who weighs 120 pounds, and 3 grams can be risky for a 40-pound child.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/20/health/he-closer20

On the downside, the joys of forgetting to take my fiber powder have now resulted in the ever-so-lovingly effort to squeeze cinder blocks out of my asshole.

Have mercy, opi gods.

nb

feelsgoodman

had a nice day with my girl. had like 0.25g of black left. smoked a bit with my girl then we went to ralphs and spanged $30 over the course of an hour. had to stop early cuz our guy was leaving for the night and i had to ride my bike to him to pick up before he left. so we got like 0.4g and smoked it all then fucked for a few hours.

still have a little bit left of my $40 from the day before so i don't get sick tomorrow. plus getting $50 tomorrow so i'm excited. got $10 for ish, $10 for an 8mg suboxone, $10 on etizolam while my brother puts in $20, and the last $20 on black and have my girl put in $10 so we get another $30 to keep us well.

Picked up my suboxone from the pharmacy and spent the last of my cash on smokes, got that familar glow going, feelsgood. Hope everyone is doing okay

I ran out of dillys wnd woke up shivering and feeling so terrible. regretting shooting so many yesterday and worrying about the consequences later. took 2mg of sub this morning but I don't want to take anymore because I get my meds tomorrow. trying to drink some pst to feel better (5lbs) but I almost puke with every sip. feelsbadman

Forgot to BWN yesterday ;_;
Finished exams, freedom tastes like sorbitol.
Bumping with 300Mega-Tonnes of Codeine linctus.
TO ITCH CITY!

did you even get high?
how much vicodin would it take you to get high?

actually yeah either it was fuck all so you don't have to worry about anything (you can get high off APAP/hydro with no tolerance without having to worry about ODing on hydro)

or you got given something that was not even opiates (hopefully not just APAP)
did it taste like APAP?

>>446496

>ODing on hydro
>ODing on APAP

correction. nbtriplpost

The first sign you took too much APAP is throwing up bile... so ur good

>>446490

>crushed roxy in a pill bottle

wut? Why the hell would anyone do that?

Anyway OP, I'm assuming you snorted the shit. Did you do a giant 3 foot line? Then no, you didn't ingest enough APAP to cause problems. Hell, I don't think it would even be possible to snort a lethal dose. 8 grams is a LOT of powder.

In the future, don't snort random shit people give you, k?

>>446466
Nah, even in prison it isn't a thing. I think dude was just interested in hearing about his asshole, regardless.

>>446473
It's Akhkharu, I don't expect any less...

>>446345
What'd you get locked for?

>>446479
lets just say shit got a little serious businesswise, put too many apples in my basket if you catch my drift. an aquaintance i knew had 2 very large strikes, although no one knew for sure. i had stopped talking to him because of what he did, but my ex(who i decided to leave while incarcerated) decided it wouldn't hurt to 'help' him one day. that day, strike 3 happened. i was arrested by tbi agents, they got quite angry because i had nothing on me, charged me with class A felony posess/w intent to distribute in a school zone. they asked me the usual, i told them to go fuck themselves, went to jail, tried to take my ex's charge, they wouldnt let me. so i plead out to a misdemeanor, instead of fighting it. went to rehab in jail, with the aquaintance, which tested the fuck out of my patience and restraint as you can probly understand. also because another one of his 'strikees' had made me an offer to take care of him before i was arrested, but thats a whole other story. so yeah, i learned to restrain myself. after rehab the judge granted me a motion to suspend my sentence and send me to drug classes once a week. but anyways, thats pretty much the gist of what happened.

>>446475
this

>>446464
Oxy makes the steaming pile of shit that is tramadol look like baby aspirin

>>446464
it'll blow your mind same general feeling as tramadol but probably more comfortable and relaxed feeling with much more euphoria and a very powerful body high

I prefer tramadol sir >.> how dare you insult lady trammy

>>446484
That's what your thinking now and that's how I was a year ago

>>446322

He will not change until he has bottomed out, or see's that he needs to change. There is literally nothing you can do to help him other than offer your help and see if he takes it.

You can not, in any way, make him better.

I had a friend that got a really bad Xanax and heroin habit, he wasn't shooting (I don't think) but he would get pure Xanax power from SR and had a mixture in everclear, anyways he was taking like 20mg or more a day of Xanax on top of god knows how much dope. But so i have been cool with him since 4th grade, played hockey and shit. I think what happen was he ran out I Xanax and money and started having seizures, so he went to the hospital and shit and lied about it all and got like diagnosed epileptic or some bullshit cause that what he's good at: bullshitting. So he some how walks after two days with a script for some Valium and Klonopin, and offered to sell me some (I didn't really know what was going on with him at that time cause he hid everything and he was like a drug dealer/ friend to me.) so I go to pick up like 10 bars from him, which I had done 1000 times from the last 8 years. Anyways he gave me some Tylenol with the numbers scratched off, and of course I notice as soon as we do the exchange and I called him out when he was trying to hurry back to his car like "what is this shit man" and turned around charged at me with a knife and told me I should be happy with them and to get the fuck out of here.

I was pretty pissed about the $50 at the time but I remember it standing out a lot more that I didn't just lose some money but i lost a friend, a kid I've known for years, someone I grew up with. It's pretty sad.

He ended up giving me my money back when I saw him a few months later, said he went to rehab and everything, but I could tell he was still fucked up, just selling dope now instead of just using it probably.

Anyways my advice is just to stay away from these kind of people,'at least for a while , these phases can't last, they always end up in rehab, jail, or dead, and believe me you don't want to be involved in any of that shit.

>>446420
holy shit

>>446290
you can have a dope habit and be 100% functional, you just need to be financially well endowed to be able to have such a life style

>>446290

>He's been sending some pretty threatening messages to people he dislikes claiming he's going to rob them/fuck up their house/fuck up their car.

This isn't even the addiction. It may be a psychological problem exacerbated by pain from addiction. Addicts remain friendly with as many people as possible so they can fuck them over easier. Think about it. You're coming back to town and you're going steal from everyone you know. Do you

A: Do what your friend did and let everyone know to load their shotguns and wait for you.
B: Call up all your friends and say let's get shitfaced then rob them blind once their passed out drunk.

Addicts ruin their relationships by fucking over everyone they know not by sending stupid text messages. Violence is a means to an end if you're an addict. You broke in to this guy's house and oops he there its a matter of survival now. That lady won't hand over her money? Punch her in the face, grab her purse, and run.

The best you can do is be a friend. Be that guy he can talk to no matter how much it hurts you to see him like that. The only thing that can fix addiction is wanting something more than the drug and knowing you can't have it and the drug at the same time. Good luck with that. Heroin feels good man.

Also watch yourself. I sure wouldn't want to confront him about those text messages without a firearm.

Good question

>>446286
Pure speculation: it would work with any RoA since in order for it to potentiate an opiate it needs to be in the bloodstream first. Therefore, the metabolism of said opiate is still slowed. And DXM halts tolerance, so take it about an hour before shooting up/snorting/doing whatevs you do.

>>446286
I was adamant that these things worked for any ROA.
Someone here called me out on it and after a quick google, decided that yes, i was completely wrong and that it only works for oral administration.
To be honest i didnt really look into it deeply though.

I've seen people talk about oxymorphone here, but hydromorphone is more common. You're not alone in saying it is a better than heroin. Until recently I hadn't tried heroin but I got six stamps off of SR. It is better by a long shot.

I've only found oxymorphone once. At the time my opiate tolerance was where 30mg of IV morphine was my usual dose. The guy I get the morphine from came buy and asked if I wanted some oxymorphone. He started talking it up but I had already heard about it here. I cut him off and said yeah how much. 10mg IRs for 10 bucks. He made me promise not to shoot a whole pill at once. He said he had a friend fall out like that.

So I cut the pill in half and prepare the shot. I was pretty new to IV at that time. So I got the needle in and started to push. I started to get that feeling where you miss half way through. I quit pushing and pulled out. I was pissed for all of about 2 seconds. BAM. It hit hard and my head fell back. I couldn't lift it up. I laid there wondering if I'd killed myself for 5 minutes but not really giving a fuck because it felt so good. The rush started to die down and the high took over. My only complaint was the high didn't last long. After an hour and a half I was ready to snort the rest of that shot. I didn't want to IV it because it was old but I didn't want to waste it. The high went on for another hour after that.

I love my Oxymorphone. That's my long acting pain medicine with hydromorphone for breakthrough. OxyM is the king of opiates. so glad Impax makes generic ERs now, just like the old stop signs.

It's pretty awesome. Very warm, fluffy, and sedating. It's pretty much the gold standard of recreational opiate use (disregarding morphine). The nod feels amazing.
IV produces a nice rush and requires less dope, but it feels shorter than snorting. Tolerance is a slippery bitch, so space out your usage and potentiate like crazy.

>>446347
It puts me in a very loving and nostalgic headspace. I just think about how much I love certain people and makes me see beauty in more things. I also get really nostalgic on it and tend to think about all the great memories of people and the time I've spent with them in my life. I also really like it during a bright day (think public park during the spring) because I like the way the light flares/reflects on things and I like the way it feels on my closed eyelids.
I love listening to shoegaze while on heroin and other opiates too. It sounds and feels amazing.

If you shoot heroin, for your first time trying it or even your first time using opiates, you're not going to be able to appreciate it well. It'd be like trying an expensive wine for your first try. You just won't have the experience to compare it against to properly appreciate it. Not that shooting H is comparable to a fine wine, just that it's similar in some regards.

Burrough's junky is actually a pretty honest book about H. No frills and a good story telling style. Not many other authors can do it without dressing it up and going for those stupid angles and dropping buzzwords.

>>446437
One of my favorite under appreciated albums.

>>446450
I listened to half of it last night and it's really good and interesting, so far it's really covering his life style and not the actual experience of using the drug (except his first time where he said he felt a strange fear outside his field of view)

>>446437
that's really interesting too - what album is that though? I guess it's mbv

make it into oxycodone bro

You need to vaporize it, not burn it. So you have to be careful in that sense. Pipe would be the best way, however you are better off eating opium because it has a far higher oral BA

>>446483
No? Morphine has shit oral BA, you need alot less opium to get high when you smoke it. I imagine smoking it off foil would work, or any way to smoke with indirect heat really ONe of the DMT pipes might work too, you can find how to build one on erowid..

Dude smoking opium is an art, that shit takes practice. I would say not to as anyway you look at it, burning/vaping is going to waste a lot of alkaloids (though there's no harm in trying, go ahead and try the foil method)
You would be best to just swallow it, chase it with a drink or whatever..

Dosage wise: you gotta remember that the potency of anything with opium in it fluctuates all the time. (I think) potency can even vary from pod-to-pod of the same plant... So you want to always start off small with a new batch and gradually bump your dosage up till you have a good dose. Find some way of titrating the dose, like dissolving the shit in a glass of water and take a shots worth every half hour for e.g.
A good starting dose would be about the size of a match head, then bump up.

also you lucky motherfucker for having access to O
also enjoy the constipation