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FDA Declares Kratom an Opioid by Rebecca Clobblehitch - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 09:49:50 EST ID:nedQTFPc No.591991 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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HERE THEY COME AGAIN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/02/06/fda-ramps-up-warnings-about-kratom-calling-unregulated-herb-an-opioid/?utm_term=.05bde74c0dd0

The Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday intensified its warnings about kratom, saying new research provides strong evidence that the unregulated botanical substance has “opioid properties” and is associated with 44 deaths.

“We feel confident in calling compounds found in kratom, opioids,” FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said in a statement. The agency's conclusion is based on recent computational modeling and on scientific literature and reports of adverse effects in people, he said. The new data, he added, reinforced agency concerns about kratom’s “potential for abuse, addiction and serious health consequences, including death.”

The substance, which is imported from Southeast Asia and marketed as a supplement, has become increasingly popular among consumers looking for relief from pain, anxiety and depression as well as opioid-withdrawal symptoms. Kratom, which is sometimes used for recreation, can produce a feeling of euphoria. Advocates call it a safe way to deal with chronic pain and other conditions, and some researchers are exploring whether it helps people overcome addictions. But other researchers warn that the herb, taken in capsules or by drinking tea, is too risky to use.

Gottlieb, in a November public health advisory and again Tuesday, said there are no FDA-approved uses for kratom. The agency is now aware of 44 kratom-associated deaths between April 2011 and last December, including one in which the individual had no known “historical or toxicologic evidence of opioid use, except for kratom.”

In many of those cases, kratom was used along with other drugs, making it difficult for authorities to determine the actual cause of death. Kratom proponents have said the government sometimes blames kratom for deaths caused by other substances, but the new fatality cited by the FDA, given the absence of other substances, “reinforces our concerns,” Gottlieb said.

The new FDA analysis comes as the Drug Enforcement Administration considers whether to classify kratom as a controlled substance. In 2016, the DEA announced plans to place kratom temporarily in Schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act, a category for drugs such as heroin. The move would have effectively banned its use. But officials backtracked after a public outcry and pressure from some members of Congress. In withdrawing its plan, the agency asked the FDA to speed up a scientific and medical evaluation on kratom.
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Caroline Fanwill - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 04:23:08 EST ID:ZzwJY/jR No.592035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>592019
real
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dr. m !gWLn19/oKs - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 12:49:35 EST ID:tP297q5d No.592052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>592009

His acute tolerance isn't as high as 300mg IV morphine. Generally speaking his usage pattern conceptually mimics mine, with mostly chipping, the occasional intended and unintended binge, and time periods of non use or kratom use to lower tolerance and save money.

Actually now that I think about it, Nodson uses kratom near daily for maintenance. If you pay attention he still manages to have a good time on doses like 60mg oxycodone + a $10 cap or two of fenty dope.

Don't forget that some people metabolize or otherwise process kratom more effectively than others. He has posted about how 600mg Cimetidine + doses like 8g kratom somehow feel like if Oxycodone and Tramadol had a baby.

Don't fall for the narrow minded assumption that opioids are only useful for obtaining euphoria. Kratom can be used for dependency maintenance, it's arguably the most effective opioid for anti depressant effects as long as your tolerance isn't ruined by irresponsible binges. It helps some people with anxiety, pain, insomnia, etc etc.

It's like the gabapentin of opioids. It gets a bad wrap as not being "potent," but like gabapentin it tackles most of the ailments cured by their respective drug classes without such severe side effects.

No matter how ineffective kratom is at getting you high, it definitely helps curb WD symptoms, regardless of tolerance or history of opioid dependency.

Lope+ Kratom should be in every single opioid abusers stash. For most of us it's too weak to ever abuse on impulse, but for unplanned WD it's a godsend stop gap measure unmatched in effectiveness (and as for Suboxone and Methadone, they aren't even comparable to Kratom because of the massive tolerance gain and WD side effects from both).
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dr. m !gWLn19/oKs - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 13:00:17 EST ID:tP297q5d No.592053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591991

Also lol, kratom is a de facto opioid and should be labels as such. The problem the FDA seems to enjoy neglecting id that a substance doesn't magically become "dangerous" because it's functionally an opioid. Being an opioid and being safe for casual human consumption are not inherently mutually exclusive concepts.

The plain leaf should be legal for 18+, its extracts available for opioid maintenance/detox of users of harder opioids and for sale to 21+, and the full spectrum compounds should be compounded and handed out more liberally to those that don't necessitate tramadol or hydrocodone but need something more than 800mg advil.

Instead we have the current shit show we see now. Codeine and full spectrum kratom pills should be OTC, but again my fellow Americans can be morons and not educate themselves on APAP limits, CWE, and using preventative NAC.

This is why we can't have nice things.
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Emma Dendleforth - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 13:21:49 EST ID:cWC90YS5 No.592054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>592053
Well, IMO the worst is that you drag the shitshow into the rest of the world because Europe laws are just a copy cat of yours.
So get your shit together Americans, with respect and love but no wonder China and Russia are updating their military lol.
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MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 21:21:22 EST ID:0/UZvmZo No.592079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>592053
For my whole life, Codeine has been OTC. Until last week. And ive gotta say I don't think codeine should be OTC except in very small doses/packages that should be controlled in sale quantity/frequency.


Ya might be a junkie if.... by Eugene Nommercheck - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 07:28:53 EST ID:MeiPcZz5 No.591988 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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You high five your pharmacist
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Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 07:37:05 EST ID:QYhbTvK8 No.591989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>591988
You rob a convenient-store with a pellet-gun.
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Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 01:58:41 EST ID:0jfj9bDM No.592030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591989
I thought this was a nitrous cracker in the shape of a gun that you inhale through the barrel at first glance. Man, that would be a terrible idea.
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guardian_angel !LhwrleQFRU!!fAsQkk7h - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 04:56:38 EST ID:HB8bHKCi No.592038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>592030
Misplace it once and accidentaly ur death


Fentanyl laced Xanax going around in Detroit metro area. by Stoner Smurf - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:09:56 EST ID:wm//1kYc No.591833 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If anyone else is around there, just a heads up.
Fent laced norcos, xans, oxys, and boy all going around like crazy killing people left and right. I person haven't seen fentxans has anyone here?
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Emma Socklewerk - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:22:48 EST ID:jqiag2P4 No.591912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591909
dude, I know pepole doing 1,5 daily and sometimes dosing another 600 if they are up all night

>>591901
and meth isn't a stimulant right
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Cornelius Fuckingworth - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 05:53:43 EST ID:9t5RKJts No.591916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591912
i know people using a gram of morphine
you heard me
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dr. m !gWLn19/oKs - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 08:28:49 EST ID:+wNKmZAJ No.591921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591909

Because it's OTC there

Nb
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Charles Hummerlock - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 09:40:31 EST ID:cWC90YS5 No.591925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>591912
>>591909
Well that’s why I IMO’d cuz there are not a lot of people in my environment doing it.

>>591908
Lmao you said it yourself, also the fact that it doesn’t seem to be of high quality were I live.
But let’s be real in europe we sure as fuck ain’t paying 300 bucks for a pint of codeine syrup or anything stupid like the US, im pretty sure this affects the prices of other opiates there.
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David Tootfuck - Fri, 09 Feb 2018 04:55:10 EST ID:JOhyqBZ3 No.592037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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here in philadelphia ive seen a instagram poster that would test the stamps on the streets of the open market we have for fent (its out of control right now) and they found coke to have fent in it and personally ive done a shot of coke and fell out from it .. its happened more then a few times when ive done speedballs too, like i add coke so i dont just nod right out and still do sometimes.. its pretty scary. .. as for dope you need to know which blocks sell fent and which sell heroin and even then one day a stamp bag can just change and now be fent heavy...


Hospital Pain by Esther Mammleshaw - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 12:15:21 EST ID:Yq39nV55 No.591936 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I am currently in the hospital with Pancreatitis and contracted C. diff. I was given a dose of Fentanyl when I came in but it did absolutely nothing. They were giving me Dilaudid via IV every 4 or so hours for a few days but now it barely helps my pain. Is there anything I could ask for that might be stronger? :(
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Charles Hummerlock - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 14:09:42 EST ID:cWC90YS5 No.591947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591943
+1
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Emma Chinkinwidging - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 17:36:34 EST ID:mrvuzX1t No.591960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591943
by iv dilaudid they mean 2mg pushed over 30 seconds every 4 hours or some bullshit
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pills !zkraGArAss - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 18:07:53 EST ID:Bwf8Wobt No.591962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>591960
Oh man i fucking hate when the nurse would put the dilaudid in my IV bag instead of the arm port. My mums a nurse and always ports it into people because she knows they get a rush.


Also >>591936
Im going to assume you have a tolerance you should of told the Dr./Nurses when i went in trauma 2 i told them i was "prescribed" opanas (which was kinda true but my Dr. was just a EMT drug dealer) and got double dilaudid.

But if you dont have a high tolerance there is no way dilaudid and fentanyl arent working for you.

Best of luck though they might also just tell you to suck it up.
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Phyllis Chamblewill - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:13:24 EST ID:mrvuzX1t No.591975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591962
your mom is a saint
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Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 20:42:24 EST ID:QYhbTvK8 No.592021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591962
What fucking retard of a nurse would administer a prescribed drug in a fucking IV fluid bag? - That's just improper SOP; you add 4migs of hydromorph into a standard 1L bad, right, at the quickest it can be administered would be 250ml per hour, or is it 500ml/hour(?), IIRC - So that would be 1-mg over an hour, and while that may seem as a pro in relation to hydromorph's HL, it is definitely a con in terms of pain relief and practicality.

Your mother has the SOP down, man. Be proud.


OTC opiates in Central America by Albert Gundleput - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 12:59:05 EST ID:aZlA+Jf3 No.591995 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Going to Panama in a couple months and was wondering if you could get anything OTC (including tramadol and benzos). I'm not going to go too much out of the way to get a prescription even if they'll readily give one. I just want to know if I can go in a pharmacy and ask for something and they'll give it to me without too much hassle. I speak a bit of Spanish so I feel comfortable that I'd be able to communicate with them as long as I know the drug names in Spanish


New Zealand by Ekaterina - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:54:25 EST ID:K/WkushX No.591913 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What are the regulations in your country on poppy seeds and do you have an opioid habit of some sort? Poppy seeds and kratom are banned in the country I'm from :(
Would anyone know of where to get poppy seeds in New Zealand that are sold unwashed (with opium) or kratom? Or could post to the country ? Fuk please help me . Sick of paying $120 per 100mg morph pill sometimes no including aa :(
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Ernest Deffingshit - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:50:05 EST ID:Gr6IX6t5 No.591933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591913
I feel sorry for you, bro.
You live in a country that is inherently expensive to live in, so it's no wonder you're paying out the ass for drugs... Wish I could help.
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Lillian Guddlefield - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:52:38 EST ID:rG2vmiXV No.591934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Woah and I thought I had it rought for paying 3 bucks per 5mg oxy pop


NIGHTMARES by David Mumbleway - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 23:37:41 EST ID:G6dI0KDu No.591766 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone else here have unbearably bad nightmares after opiate use? Ever since I relapsed I've had nightmares so bad I wake up literally screaming multiple times a night. Always about getting mutilated horrifically or flashbacks to when I was going through DTs withdrawing from benzos. I can't be the only one and I've heard from other addicts this is a common problem, although nobody has a case as severe as mine.
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:10:07 EST ID:8KPPHgFg No.591797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591775
Your belief of dreams revealing a lot about your conscious mind is what psychologists believed in the early 1900s. Nowadays, that is widely refuted. I can see why you would think that, though.

>>591796
Humans don't have PAWS but they can experience it.
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overgrownpath !3g9OJxiR.6 - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 14:53:46 EST ID:c8+FWa3f No.591830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591775
>Dreams come from the inner mind
They really don't, well, not in the super-meaningful-new age BS way you're getting at. As ^^ says, you're espousing a false, yet romantic (and therefore alluring), and sadly popular theory that dreams can be useful 'guides' with clear messages to be read into about how to change your waking life or whatever. These dream 'expert' quacks on their increasingly numerous clickbait blog-sites focus only on how the guidance will be positive for your life. Some dreamers take their devotion further and ascribe a truly prophetic quality to certain dreams. Fucking loonies, lol. It's a pity to see how many people actually make important life decisions based on a dream they had (I read an anonymous survey a while back about this behaviour being scarily widespread; of course the survey was anon because no one would admit on record that they're taking life-cues direct from sleepytiems). These websites and blogs are numerous as they vie for ever-increasing dumbtraffic; they have vast indexes containing definitions and explanations about any damn dream symbol & allegory you can shake a stick at. Conveniently, these definitions are actually universal for everyone! Sure makes explaining an individual person's underlying dream meanings a lot easier!

Dreams are the oft amusing, weird, neutral (or terrifying) garbles of a meandering subconscious mind before and after deep sleep; they have little to zero objective potential to be evidentially meaningful. They only can become meaningful for a single gullible individual's mind if they already believe in the power of dreams. They'll unwittingly warp their dream memories by perhaps focusing on one particular symbol or one sentence that they feel matches up nicely with their existing narrative bias. They will find what they want to find and hear what they want to hear. Of course, they disregard all the other shit that may have cropped up in their dream that doesn't fit nicely. As long as one already truly believes in the powah of dreams, the anecdotal evidence will flow in: cluelessly duped by their own subconscious bias.
About the closest actual 'meaning&…
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Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 00:04:28 EST ID:0jfj9bDM No.591847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've always been an every night dreamer and usually have a pretty decent memory of them. While they are oftentimes pretty weird I almost never have what I would consider a nightmare; maybe a half dozen a year. For whatever reason they almost always seem to involve snakes. Lots of fucking snakes. Like snakes all over the floors, coming out of cabinets, under furniture, etc.

I had them much more often as a kid and it was usually the same one. Me running through a forest in the fall with leaves all over the forest floor and someone chasing me. They'd catch up to me, tackle me, I'd try to scream but couldn't, and that was that. There was a little spell after the first Scream movie came out where I'd randomly be somewhere and Ghostface would pop up and stab me.

I do have or find a lot of drugs in my dreams from time to time though especially when its getting close to refill day and I'm running low and I still smoke cigarettes in them even though I switched to vaping over 3 years ago (with the occasional cigar here and there)
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pills !zkraGArAss - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 01:09:28 EST ID:NEpaRzZt No.591854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>591766
Huh. Glad im not the only one i dont get nightmares but while high on heroin ill get massive panic attacks. To like what you said wake up screaming. I used to literally grab onto my girlfriend. Dont know why.
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Albert Hibbleway - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 07:21:21 EST ID:K3x9msSX No.591918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>591854
My girl woke me up because I was screaming the other night and apparently I tried to punch her in the face and then gave her a blank stare and fell right back asleep, moaning and thrashing. I have very violent night terrors ever since relapsing. I think its triggered some PTSD. I never used to believe certain things affected me so deeply but these nightmares are directly related to these near death experiences I've had. I was considering going on subs to taper off and get clean again but I've read nightmares are a very common side effect of bupe and that terrifies me. I don't like considering that my nightmares are so bad that I'm a danger to the girl I sleep next to every night.


BUTTERFLY NEEDLES VS INSULIN by CHEA - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 23:21:22 EST ID:TXaVTQiE No.591842 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have shit veins over the years and i am basicly down to my feet/legs i feel a butterfly rig would be perfect since its less movement has anyone used butterflys before and if so are they worth it ? im sick of missing and dont have the veins left to do so, are they worth it? and what aboutmicron filters i always heard about them on the internet but noone IRL around here knows what they are or just never used
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MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 02:35:40 EST ID:AfY0EJix No.591859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591855
Really depends bro. I'm one of very few people here fortunate enough to have this stuff available to them. Its quite possible you'll have to order both butterflys and micron filters online but you should be able to get 3 or 5mL barrels and needle tips at a pharmacy or needle exchange relatively cheaply.

I suggest you educate yourself a little bit about how all this stuff works, I'm very reluctant to encourage Intravenous DIY projects and re-use of certain parts to someone that doesn't understand needle gauge.
I don't have time to go into all the fine details and nuances and don't want the information I provide to do more damage than it saves because re-using something opens you up to the world of blood borne infections and myriad other issues FAR worse than missed shots and collapsed veins.
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Sophie Poffingshaw - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:05:07 EST ID:TXaVTQiE No.591902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591859
Bruh what do u mean idk know what gauge means this is sinplentalk I have been a long time iv user and I want to keep the veins I have that’s why I’m wondering where I can get them or is it even possible to get them at a pharmacy maybe a mom or pop or a big chain pharmacy I don’t need the speech I need to know where to get these products harm reduction is about people using any despite the risks it’s easy to say I don’t have time to tell you but leqv a long post telling me what I’ve been doing is a bad idea for years and to not do it as harm reductions n kts set but it’s not just let me know where I can get this equipment ASAP cause I’m gearing for a binge
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Sophie Poffingshaw - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:06:47 EST ID:TXaVTQiE No.591903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591902
And would rather not cook the grins I have left thank you very much
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Sophie Poffingshaw - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:07:33 EST ID:TXaVTQiE No.591904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591903
Veins ** autocorrect
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MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 04:02:12 EST ID:AfY0EJix No.591914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591902
I don't mean to be a dick but I'm also a long time IV user, who also wants to keep the veins I have and so I strongly suggest doing some google searching or research rather than asking me to provide it all to you. I simply cannot summarise and describe everything that you need to know to do this safely in a text post on an imageboard. My other motivation is that I know ALL of us could probably improve our injection practices somewhat, or atleast understand what we've been taught to do and that's why I'm so heavily suggesting you do a bit of reading mate, I'm on your side.

With that being said, my best advice to you is to go online and find a place where you can order the following:
10x 25, 26 or 27 Gauge, 12 inch long Butterfly or Winged infusion kits (They're the same thing.
5x 5mL Luer-Lok syringe barrels.
5x2.5mL Luer-Lok syringe barrels.
5x 1.2uM Wheel/Micron filters.
10x 0.2uM Micron filters.
10x 27 Gauge needle tips.
10x Sterifilts*

My advice is that you use a micron filter after filtering through a cotton first.
To use a micron filter you fill a syringe with liquid, Attach the micron filter to the front and then attach a needle tip to the micron filter, Then you PUSH the liquid through the filter and into the front of another syringe barrel.
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Acetyl Fent on the East Coast by Priscilla Bardwell - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 17:46:04 EST ID:4rKpY93M No.591756 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have a feeling ive been getting Acetyl Fentanyl from the drug dealers in Hartford Connecticut.
MY OBSERVATIONS:

-its white
-does not smell or taste like dope
-rapid onset (3 minutes after snorting)
-smacks you in the face type high
-much less is required
-extra itchy
-shorter duration

Anyone else encountering this stuff?
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Augustus Fadgefuck - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 19:40:39 EST ID:cWC90YS5 No.591757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591756
>smacks you in the face type high

IMO fent is a pretty bland drug in that aspect so it might only be partially adulterated
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CHEA - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 23:29:16 EST ID:TXaVTQiE No.591843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591756
dude ofc its coming from the net from some vendor only thing is you got some jigg not knowing a damn thing about dosing or using a mg scale and cutting w god knos what and STILL out here killing folk even if he knows u know he'll never admit, and honestly stay away from fent AND its analouges shit is fucking garbage, get a rush then dopesick hours later shit is like the crack of opiates if that makes sense


Restless leg syndrome by Nell Gegglestig - Mon, 22 Jan 2018 00:05:02 EST ID:Um3bEUSb No.591299 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This shit is by far some of the most annoying effects of (light)w/ds

Anyone ever find a cure for this shit? Not even benzos and weed seem to help, maybe if I had some concentrate or edibles...
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Lillian Shakeville - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 14:48:33 EST ID:/c43D6JR No.591751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591299
Restful legs sublingial pills off amazon
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Nicholas Ferringridge - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 19:43:11 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.591758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591751
If you like homeopathic witchcraft, then sure.
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Nicholas Ferringridge - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 19:43:44 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.591759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591758
I have this strange feeling of deja vu...
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Polly Wuvinghood - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 14:33:32 EST ID:I9pwbphJ No.591829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gabapentin, soma, lyrica or barbiturates work the best for me
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pills !zkraGArAss - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:46:56 EST ID:qLaQbn7R No.591836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591299
Cut em off


opiate from naloxone by Sophie Diffingbit - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 10:50:43 EST ID:M1l9W4aZ No.591684 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have 2g of naloxone. Can I convert this to noroxymorphone by taking off that stupid thing on the nitrogen? The important part of this is can "I" do it.
I know it's possible.

Has anyone here tried noroxymorphone?
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Bombastus Werywag - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 13:12:56 EST ID:hO4Zfyi0 No.591793 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591792
Hmm. What about a simple hydrogenation though.

What is the pharmacology of n-propyl noroxymorphone?
If you do make noroxymorphone, what about 14-cinnamaldehyde noroxymorphone
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:18:25 EST ID:Rf7buG/v No.591795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591793
should be really tasty. you could even combine those ideas and stick an n-propyl or something similar like butyl (id avoid n-benzyl though as the n-benzyl tends to reduce potency while longer chains on the amino increase potency thing like n-phenethyl or n-furanyl.) id stick with something easy though like n-methyl since its a known or if youre feeling experimental n-butyl or n-furanyl maybe n-phenethyl something like that. if you do decide to go with a long cinnamoyl chain on the 14-OH id def suggest a methyl on the amino and probably to not use anything longer than a furanyl but phenethyl might still work, its just more tricky when you have a really long side chain at the 14 to also have a really long chain on the amino but if you leave the 14-OH as is or just slap on a short acyl group like acetyl then go with a long chain on the amino like furanyl or phenethyl if possible. idk whats within ops capabilities and sourcing abilities.
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:11:26 EST ID:8KPPHgFg No.591798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591795
n-propyl noroxymorphone is just two hydrogen atoms away from naloxone

Stick naloxone in a pd/c jar and charge it with hydrogen for 24 hours at 3atm and you will get n-propylnoroxymorphone in the end.
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 18:02:38 EST ID:TLUtdcp8 No.591806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591798
PD/C is hard for people other than us to source and is pricey as fuck. But that would for sure work as well.
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 10:31:42 EST ID:2y6NW2xH No.591822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591789
fucking damn it. my bookmarks are disorganized so its a pain in my azmar to dig thru them to find the one im looking for that is exactly what your asking for. but anyways these two patents should at least be pretty helpful for now. as for removing that allyl like bomby said either use PD/C or i'd maybe go with BBr3 cause i know for shizzle thatll work.

have a couple super useful links

https://www.google.com/patents/EP0496830A1?cl=en
this one is titled "Total synthesis of northebaine, normorphine, noroxymorphone enantiomers and derivatives via n-nor intermediates"

so that should help a shit load assuming your a smart enough chemfag to understand what the patent is saying but its really straight forward tbh.

and heres the other
https://www.google.com/patents/EP1000065A1?cl=en
titled "Preparation of oxymorphone, oxycodone and derivatives"
it also covers synthesis of 14-subbed analogs and a few other hella fun things so enjoy those while i continue digging for the patent i was actually looking for.


smoking opium by Samuel Sonningpock - Mon, 22 Jan 2018 14:15:56 EST ID:LBhfmXIg No.591317 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I relatively large amount of opium has fallen into my lap. However, I only know how they used to smoke it over a flame with an opium pipe. I have no idea how to approach it with the equipment I have available. Does anyone have advice?
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:00:09 EST ID:Mbas1KCo No.591790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591317
Ok so this is how i smoke my opium when i have some. Its easy. dissolve opium in small amount of water, take either ground weed or if you dont smoke weed some tobacco or some marshmellow leaf or some other herb or w/e and drop that in the water with the dissolved opium only use just enough to sop up the liquid the plant matter should be spongy and really wet but there shouldnt be any more liquid puddles, then just heat off the water in a toaster oven or i guess carefully on your stove top or whatever, then to smoke it once its dry just like sandwich it between some not opium infused herb to smoke. So like base layer of non-opium infused weed then a layer of opium infused weed and then another thin layer on top of non-opium infused weed. easy peasy then just smoke up as normal. you can also vaporize that shit in like a dab rig with no water, or depending on the purity even put it in an oil pen but itd need to be pretty purified for that.
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MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:45:20 EST ID:vaqPp757 No.591804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591790
Just to add to this, I highly would discourage using tobacco, The nicotine is water soluble and comes into solution and totally changes the flavour of the tobacco so something pretty nasty.
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 19:32:27 EST ID:dYY2JgPJ No.591812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591804
agreed tobacco is like the last thing i would use.
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Archie Conkinpure - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 22:58:43 EST ID:xBxo/gUQ No.591814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591335
How does one do a PST enema? I've got some seeds that are kinda crap and only work to get me well, wanna actually get high tomorrow.
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 13:06:42 EST ID:TLUtdcp8 No.591827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>591814
first do a regular enema to make sure you clear out all the shit. Then once your bowels are all clear simmer you PST down to like a very small volume but enough to still be liquidy and not like goopy or oily. You want it just barely watery then just use an oral syringe or a regular luer lock type syringe with just the barrel and squirt the solution up your bum.


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