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O-Desmethyltramadol by Cornelius Dammlewell - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 00:13:26 EST ID:lREsqboI No.582844 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone have experience with this chem? I understand its not really a legit opi but I figured there are some people that have experience.

So far its been pretty kick ass. Keep my doses small and not dosing too often. I only really have experience with oxy due to my wisdom teeth being taken out many years ago.

I understand that it's considered a generally weak compound but anyone got any experience?

bind "mwheelup" +jump
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Cornelius Widdlehin - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 08:28:43 EST ID:gTgfI1+2 No.582866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have zero opioid experience and found it not too bad, but not really my thing. I got myself a gram relatively cheap and dosed 25mg twice, an hour apart. Felt sleepy and content for a couple hours, then got nauseous, laid in bed waiting for it to go away, then passed out for a couple hours.

Certainly took too much, but even before the nausea set in, it wasn't that enjoyable for me. I might give it another shot some time with less, but I prefer amphetamines or low dose 3-MeO-PCP for just feeling good and motivated.
Oliver Wucklewill - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:45:55 EST ID:RSn4j9r3 No.582869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How much would you roughly take now at a time due to your current tolerance? Glad you noticed that bind at the end ahah. Don't really remember adding that last night, was super /Benz'd/

Thanks for being cool and good input. I kinda figured people would be anal about what it classifys as. It's also pretty expensive in my experience. Cool how you compared it with others that it matches against.

First time I took 10mg and it kicked my ass in the same way except I didn't really get nauseous. You should give it ago with another lower dose

Thanks for making me not read a book on blue light
Hamilton Crunkinford - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 12:07:14 EST ID:Z/tneSga No.582875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I liked it a lot as a non-opiate user as it makes you sick long before you can ever develop a tolerance. I mean like, more than 2 days of constant parachutes and you will be sick to your stomach so bad you can't get another one down, similar to how AH-7921 used to do. Those two days of euphoric non stop itching are fucking great though, with beer its just a euphoric itchy mashing.
Hamilton Crunkinford - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 12:11:25 EST ID:Z/tneSga No.582876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doses between 75-100mg once you get a good bunch of it into you is the maximum nod and euphoria point for me. Start out with 50's and beers. Good shit. Do not mix with kratom, that killed a few a years back. Also check tripsit for its safety profile. It lowers the seizure threshold and that needs to be taken into account.
Quetzalcoatl !KDjYWIiOiM - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 17:55:32 EST ID:OIpQoQ2U No.582895 Report Quick Reply
>Do not mix with kratom, that killed a few a years back.

No it didn't. What killed them was not knowing the kratom had o-desmethyltramadol and they dosed fat doses of it, and by extension, unknowingly dosed huge amounts of o-desmethyltramadol. Without knowing. It didn't kill them cuz they mixed it. And tripshit sucks, they'll sperg out on you.

tylenol 3's and cwe. by Albert Grandman - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 22:35:17 EST ID:22mc1Hzw No.582802 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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what do you guys think is a good dose for someone who just recently started to experiment with opiates?
300mg bad shit / 30mg codiene per pill
ive got like 12 of em and i was thinking of cold water extracting for 7 of em. sound good?
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 23:20:59 EST ID:ruFOvFrg No.582805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If you've got a healthy liver, haven't drank a significant amount of alcohol for ~48hrs or haven't taken any apap or naproxen for ~24hrs, you COULD take all 12 and be fine. Maximum stated dose for apap is 4g per day but it's really more like don't exceed taking 6-8g of apap by itself in daily succession.

That said, I though 120migs of codeine was a nice amount when I started, but I had a very low natural tolorance.. So I'd say don't take any more than six-eight of them, 180-240migs, at once and on an empty stomach; if your not good by 45min-1hr, judge, evaluate & dose accordingly. And if you NEED to CWE via damaged liver or have drinker alcohol, use melted ice water and the solubility for apap is ~13mg/ml - So if you crushed up all 12 @ 3600mg apap in 50ml of water, that would be ~650mg apap left over in the 360mg codeine solution. Also, use a weted coffee filter & filter through another a second time for even less apap.

Don't take potentiaters such as WGFJ, Cimetidine, DPH, et cetera... As codeine's pleasurable effects are largely dependant on it's metabolization into morphine via CYP450 subsets.
Graham Serrysun - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 23:44:46 EST ID:XgQWNZO/ No.582806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i actually had 10. i cwe'd all 10 of em and drank the remaining solution.
here we go.
also ive been taking hydrocodone every other day last week going up to 50 mg. so i dont know how much of a tolerance that counts for.
William Sugglelot - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 03:56:40 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> ive been taking hydrocodone every other day last week going up to 50 mg. so i dont know how much of a tolerance that counts for.

Well, hydrocodone is ~6x the strength of codeine, so almost exactly the amount you took. There's probably incomplete cross tolerance though.

>if you NEED to CWE via damaged liver

A damaged liver would make a fucking terrible filtration medium.
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 04:11:41 EST ID:y19mOudX No.582857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, I could have worded that better but you knew what I meant;
>if you NEED to CWE via having a damaged liver
Would have made more sense, but I still could have done better.
William Sugglelot - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 05:04:34 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No worries, I'm just having a dig. Via isn't really the right word tbh, but I am nitpicking pretty hard.

Keeping it in or exhaling? by Albert Blytheman - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 07:42:28 EST ID:uM0eTYAt No.582777 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Sup everybody, I'm just wondering whether or not keeping in the vapors/smoke of smoked heroin actually makes a difference or not. I've heard differing opinions and I don't know who to trust on this issue.
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 08:15:49 EST ID:sjzLkMQ+ No.582779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
NB4 Holding it in isn't a problem;
As well as overdosing sugar, aluminum is linked to and may increase the chances of or increase the effect of Alzhiemer's disease with chronic application.

I imagine although it may be vapor, some of the gudstuf is still 'floating' around in said vapor even after a few seconds; while it may not be the same drug, a friend of mine once gave me a rescue breath of vaped MA after I fell out from a nice line of decent dope.. Really I don't think it's a question of how long to hold it but what's another, safer apparatus option in the long run than aluminum.
Albert Blytheman - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 08:16:55 EST ID:uM0eTYAt No.582780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>582779 Well I only smoke H on occassion anyway, but I just wanted to know whether I'm wasteful or not.
Angus Pagglenatch - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:41:55 EST ID:Od/CKAN5 No.582826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
look at what you inhale, if its see through vapor your good, if its thick smoke looking vapor its wasteful

i just hold for as long as i can within reason

How fucked am I? by Ian Shakeworth - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 19:34:03 EST ID:MxZj8Sfw No.582735 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Just took three white 350mg carisoprodol pills.
(I'm assuming their somas) a little over half hour ago.
Not feeling much except mild head change,
So I took another one and a 325mg hydrocodone about 15 minutes ago.

How fucked am I?
Will I get a good nod like im trying to achieve or am I going to die?
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Caroline Peddlewodging - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 21:00:39 EST ID:MxZj8Sfw No.582749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I only brought up my gender because I've heard that pills take different effects on men and women and could make a difference. That's all, not trying to say "hey guys im a grill" but Thanks for everyone's replies, although im not trying to get bashed but then again look where I'm posting. Lmao but again that thanks.

Anyways I see where this is going.
So /thread
Polly Sevingwell - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 22:51:12 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Protip: 325mg is the amount of acetaminophen/paracetamol in the pill, it tells us nothing about the amount of hydrocodone.
Morphonaut - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:14:29 EST ID:682My6r7 No.582786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The only way to feel a head change if you're female is to crush up all 375mg of Vicodin and snort it.
Protip: don't crush it too finely, if it's in small chunks it binds to your codeine receptors before it gets to your lungs. Fine powders waste up to 25% by being too small for the receptors to pick up.
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 03:45:48 EST ID:ruFOvFrg No.582807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well you've got to realize that opi users, at least here, pride themselves in knowledge. I don't know why that's a the trend here, but I honestly don't mind. And while it may matter if a specific medication is preferable toward a certain gender, really, it's mostly in conjuntion per hormone release and usually not anything more than that; what matters more are the personal differentials per person, such as an alternate hormone constitution or metabolic consistencies, and while it's very true subjectivity per relativity is still not practiced thoroughly in medicine nor even by the individual exercising drug use.

What is truly annoying most is your listing the amount of hydro as 325mg; how can you list the chemical-drug name for Soma but call the quantity of hydro in a hydrocodone tablet as 325mg? It's simply self-contradictory in intelligence. Hunter is quite right when he said that you have NO excuse to be reckless, or ignorant, with drug use when the internet is so widely pronounced.

It would be safer to only take a benzo in a light amount to nod than a high dose of a full skeletal muscle relaxant.. Could form a dependency, though. However, it WOULD be safer.
MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 09:46:24 EST ID:Si70sRnO No.582822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's what we've been missing.
I'm starting to remember war stories.

How much dihydrocodeine for a proper strong experience? Also, do I got the tolerance? by Eugene Hunkinson - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:39:29 EST ID:1U07i8dn No.582673 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Usually I do something like 250mg as that's how much you usually get in one box of paramol here in the UK, but to me it isn't really all that much stronger than a 250mg dose of codeine on it's own. It lasts longer but the euphoria isn't really all that above codeine itself.

I probably CWE about two boxes of cocodamol a week and have been doing so for a good few months now, so I'm not sure if I've developed a significant tolerance by now (inb4 do stronger opiates. I'd like to, but I don't wanna /deepweb/ or go to shady dealers) so I was wondering, if I did say 500mg of dihydrocodeine, would I be able to have that proper warm, fuzzy experience I remember when I was just first starting codeine? I still enjoy taking codeine obviously, but it's nowhere near as dreamy and orgasmic as it used to be now.

I dunno, do I increase amounts? Has addiction set in? I'm bored and curious tonight. Basically, how to make stronger experience?
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Hunter S. Nodson - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 23:14:52 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582755 Ignore Report Quick Reply

fuck, well then. maybe im thinking of blinkey? I apologize for my shit memory.

I still believe in potentiation for traditional /opi/s 100%. Not to extend it but do look into the prometh + codeine combo, it isn't in there because of the hype. Its been that way long before it was cool and all of that.

I stand corrected though. So you are correct to say a cyp2d6 will lessen the effects, 100% my misunderstanding. But if you are taking a strong cyp3a4 inhibitor, more codeine will pass through cyp2d6. Since only 10% of the usual dose of codeine is passed through cyp2d6, and the rest through cyp3a4 (which gets converted into inactive metabolites), there will theoretically be a higher concentration of morphine since more is passing though the cytochrome responsible for converting codeine > morphine. So it is 100% possible to potentiate codeine with inhibitors.

I apologize on my last posts.
John Fangold - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 23:41:57 EST ID:yBiQrHpQ No.582756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sure you are not doing cwe properly. Especially with the brand you mention it takes easily 3 hours to get clean and strong solution. If you just do a quick cwe you are wasting lot of stuff... So I would suggest you telling how you are actually extracting it and how long your process takes.
Polly Sevingwell - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 00:10:30 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's all been civil, I don't really see any need to apologise. Anyway, I assume you want to know about this stuff which is why we're discussing it, I'm not just correcting you (assuming I am correct) for the sake of it. So, in that vein:

> only 10% of the usual dose of codeine is passed through cyp2d6, and the rest through cyp3a4 (which gets converted into inactive metabolites)

This isn't really true. A large percentage of codeine is converted into C-6-G via UGT2B7 (not a CYP enzyme) so it's not quite that clear cut. It may well be that blocking CYP3A4 leaves more to be converted into C-6-G though.

Since DHC =/= codeine though we are kind of straying off topic.
Thomas de Queasy - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 05:05:37 EST ID:XXN7mNKU No.582775 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Ogp opibro I'm touched you remembered! I haven't posted about that in a long loooong while, probably because of how Ven got fucked when he robbed that pharmacy. I guess it felt safer before that.

I know inducers/inhibitors are meant to be taken up to two hours before, but I can acertain you will not digest a liter of juice in an hour. The other aspects to take into consideration are pH and interactions that might hinder absorption (carbonation usually helps availability for example, I'm pretty sure the opposite effect is quite common
I've never had a drug more uncertain than opis when it comes to oral. When I switched from codeine to opium powder and morph, with an empty stomach as usual the effects were sometimes unpredictably intense or weak, it confirmed that there are many things to take into account.
Hunter S. Nodson - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 19:10:51 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582793 Ignore Report Quick Reply

thank you man, I will research more into that. Wasn't aware of the other ways it is metabolized. nb, we strayed way too far off topic.

opiates for depression by Eliza Bemmerworth - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 20:12:42 EST ID:AezBYvFY No.582505 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I feel myself slipping into depression for the first time and as a result my motivation is subtly going down causing me to do less cuasing me to be more depressed.

Would I be wrong to think a small streak of opiates could help cure this ailment and give me the boost to get going and doing shit or would i be setting myself up for failure
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Simon Pittson - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 02:20:24 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Actually that evidence is pretty sketchy.
Aciddrop !tbcTsdGo8Q!!vVWR8L52 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 02:29:22 EST ID:BGt2f3aU No.582699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Q, I couldn't have said it better myself. This is what I live by. I want to experience everything I can and drugs are my current enfatuation. I've barely seen any of the world. Fuck dieing now. I wanna get high and see some shit nigga. And if I die along the way well, that's just part of the life style. Come what may...
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 03:03:56 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
word the fuck up my man. seriously thats so fucking great to hear. ive found ime that a large number of people i tried to explain this to just cant even fathom this line of thinking so it makes me happy when i hear someone else whos "thinkin the same thing" (starcraft one liner lol). i want to see and do it all not just the drugs but they help to get me to do other things that arent drugs. my last binge with tianeptine i was able to mount enough courage to tackle a big fear of heights i have. i went to a climbing gym high as fuck and just made myself do as many walls as i could ive never been able to get more than like 15 feet up one of those fucking walls and that day i did 3 walls at 60 feet and now i can do it. the drugs are both a tool and a mechanism for completely unique experiences.
Thomas de Queasy - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 10:15:33 EST ID:/hcy7tNh No.582712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's exactly how I became an addict as well. That was 5 or 6 years ago. It was definitely a good choice since it allowed to spend those years in a state of very relative peace of mind. I knew it would be better this way than if I were to choose sobriety.

When every waking instant is torture and you start pondering suicide every time you see a bus, a building, a train, a knife, or anything that could potentially maybe kill you, I think choosing drugs is a very valid option.
Thomas Blezzlelock - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 15:43:57 EST ID:23ewvkMM No.582716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This is also how I became an addict. In fact... I explained this was how I felt a pretty long time ago... maybe a year or so ago and there were several people here on this board that got really triggered and started calling me a fucking idiot, I was a fucking moron, I was dumb piece of shit that didn't make any sense and I don't really care that right now I sound like a professional victim because I don't know anyone here personally and so I'm just explaining how I feel right now and how I felt at the time this happened about a year ago. It make me chuckle and smile to myself a little bit that a year ago when I expressed this same exact reasoning I got chewed out and was called a fucking moron by several people. I stopped coming here to /opi/ for a long time and just felt like this was not the place for me. I still only come here on /opi/ once in a great while.

Best ROA by Broxhilopoxtli - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:28:04 EST ID:+lW1igCp No.582614 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi BrOpis. Can anyone tell me the best way to use this gum? is a little so im trying to get the best of it.
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MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:28:07 EST ID:G/V2kUiM No.582672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"If you're not high you could get high homeboy
Just tick a bit
A dirty habit
Just whack it.
Don't play just jack that shit.

If you're not high, you should get high, girl
Just shoot that shit.
A dirty habit
Just whack it
Don't pay, just suck a dick."
Panda5 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 00:37:57 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.582691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>If it's H:
IV -> bootybump -> mixed w/ water and sniffed -> vape (well) -> oral -> vape
(I'd take it orally, tbh though)

If it's a Buncha Crunch® which has been stepped upon:
Oral or garbage

>If it's opium:
...or extract the morphine and convert to heroin.

Wait a sec, how about subcutaneous heroin? Is that a thing? Is it safe?
Frederick Dronderchot - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 01:21:04 EST ID:ItOErQ9C No.582692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Considering there used to be subcutaneous morphine (As described in Junkie) I imagine it would technically work. But its a slower absorbtion than IM so why bother really?
Thomas de Queasy - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 06:43:02 EST ID:VgbH8dSD No.582706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Abscesses would be the main problem with SC admin. There's an engraving from the late 1800's called "terminal phase of morphine addiction" (iirc) that shows a man covered from head to toe in necrotizing wounds. I'm pretty sure modern street dope is not cleaner than what they used back then, bacterial load-wise.

Of course you can go ahead if you have wheel filters. You can probably do it a few times and get away with it of course, but SC isn't faster than smoking, the come-up ressembles a mix snorting and oral when it comes to SC ime.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 08:44:10 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this. the risk of an abscess is even higher for SC than for IM. I personally wouldnt do it. I have done IM twice without issue but thats a bit risky and i only do it when im crazy desperate and my veins are shit.

Pst not working for my gf by Lillian Lightman - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 01:39:37 EST ID:E9Zbp39/ No.582694 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey opi
So I've been using heroin with my gf to the point where we both experience wds so we've been using pst when we can't afford h (which is more than half the time). The weird thing is that she doesn't get nearly as much from the pst as me even though her h tolerance is roughly half mine, this also happens with codeine . I get noticeably high from the pay but it only eases her wds and only a handful of times seems to have gotten a mood lift.

Anyone know what could be the cause of this? Maybe a enzyme imbalance in her stomach of something? She has a LOT of allergies and poppy seeds will give her a reaction (we make sure to filter them out completely for her) so that may play a part, idk.

Also I let her have the first wash and I just do a second and third for myself so she's probably getting an even higher dose than me.

I'm thinking we should try a bunch of potentiators to see if that helps (can't find wgfj in aus for some reason sadly, will ruby red still work?)

She thinks she doesn't get as much as other people taking things orally in general but idk about that since she used to be on a lot of medication before that could have messed with drugs.
Simon Pittson - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 02:13:32 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>can't find wgfj in aus

Unless you mean Austria you're not looking very hard. It's in the tetra/long life juice section in leading supermarkets...
Simon Pittson - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 02:14:15 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And also probably not effective, but worth a shot, I guess.
Lillian Lightman - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 06:37:55 EST ID:E9Zbp39/ No.582705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just checked coles and couldn't find any, maybe its just an SA thing idk. I remember looking for it online a while back and could only find it in cans

Tianeptine Use by Allegedly Spicy Shredder - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:19:18 EST ID:fsqUVAe3 No.582595 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey everyone, I stumbled across tianeptine as a substance that produces similar effects to opiates when taken in large doses.

Has anyone else heard of this or experimented with it? Personally, I like the effects, and I find them fairly comparable to a stimulating opiate of some sort. A negative of tianeptine, however, is that the duration of effects is fairly short (~ 3 hours).
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Hunter S. Nodson - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 14:03:20 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582598 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It's pretty shitty. Imagine a drug with the half life of fentanyl but doesn't feel that good. Feels dirty, like lope or something. Super fiendy despite not being too great. Extremely caustic and is terrible for your veins.

It's only good to stay out of WD but even then it's not something you want to abuse. IIRC it has SNRI properties as well. It's not that good, at least imo.
Jenny Ginnerfid - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 14:58:23 EST ID:V2Nw6WK1 No.582599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's a serotonin selective reuptake enhancer(SSRE), so basically the opposite of an SSRI like prozac, not an SNRI. Not something I'd want to fuck around with being addicted to.
Hunter S. Nodson - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:17:36 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thank you thank you. It is definitely not something you want to form a habit on, it feels horrible when you're coming off of it and thank god I was lucky enough to taper off of it. Going cold turkey is absolute hell especially because of the short half-life.

Taking it in the prescribed doses is one thing but using it for the opi effects is a really bad idea outside of trying it a few times.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 21:53:46 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582676 Ignore Report Quick Reply
tianeptine is aight if you can get it cheap but these days its way to pricey to afford even a few grams and to really get the opi feels from it you need to take a few hundred mg. Without a tolerance to any opis 150 mg would probs be good but tolerance to tianeptine grows super fast. its honestly a really fun opi in that you get more energetic and less noddy so it kind of really depends on what types of opis you like. Its a rare fave of mine in fact, when i first heard of it years back it was very seriously dirt fuckin cheap like one fourth of the current price. i would buy like 5 gram packs which was the largest they had at the time in bulk, as in buying like 10 jars of 5 grams each for like $50 total. if you do decide to get some tianeptine make sure to get the sodium salt as it makes a huge difference in how much you need to take and how fast it hits you. For some reason the sodium salt is just waaaaaaay more recreational at lower doses than the sulphate or the free acid. every now and then ill buy a few grams and that'll last me maybe one week of using every day. people shit on it too much these days i think thats just because of the prices now really. it reminds me a lot of hydrocodone but more energetic and speedy feeling, sorta like a mix of hydrocodone and oxycodone but you seriously do need to take hundreds of mgs to get that feel. after a week of using it the tolerance build was insane worse than any other opi ive ever had and the w/ds are fucking hell because of its wide effect profile. so YMMV but if you get it cheap its real nice, i at least find it very fiendy like fent level and will keep dosing 200 mg gel caps all day to stay high which is nice that you can redose so frequently and stay really high as long as you keep dosing. most opis have very greatly diminished effects when redosed but not tianeptine which is great. honestly the only shitty things about are imo the horrible w/ds the short duration and the price per dose being too high now.i find it a rare treat now and only buy it a few times a year at most for times i want to be able to party and be /opi/d and not so sedate im nodding. i did some this last march actually because i knew a vendor who had just opened and he …
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 06:37:04 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
oh i will add that you absolutely should not shoot this shit its as bad or worse for your veins than even u-47

Withdrawal Advice by Ian Nattinggold - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:42:10 EST ID:AX5rUfAz No.582654 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I wasn't sure if this should go here or the detox board, but I'll try here first.

I've been taking PPT for a little over three years now and the main place I get my pods from has suddenly stopped selling them and the other places that sell them are more than I can currently afford. I'm looking into getting buprenorphine but it's going to be probably a month before I get through the process and actually get given the drug and I've only got about a week's worth of pods left so I've been considering just going cold turkey when I run out of pods.

So I was hoping you guys would be able to give me some advice on coping with withdrawals if I go that route, I have diazepam, weed and loperamide at my disposal, is there anything else that would help or is that about the best I could hope for?
Graham Bossleman - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:52:48 EST ID:B5tcrQaO No.582655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would try to only use lope on the first couple days 20mg or so. The cardio-toxicity isn't really worth it compared to the relief it gives. Take it before you start feeling withdrawals if anything and it seems to help better. Taper with the remaining seeds you have. Since you only have 1 week or daily doses you can probably extend that 2x by waiting until you start hitting physical withdrawal. The weed & xanax will help if anything to take your mind off it. If you haven't been through opiate withdrawal before it's not as bad as benzos/alcohol but knowing that next tea or pill or whatever will make you feel completely better makes it insidious so watch out and don't go fiend-mode. Since you have xanax, that should help the RLS and anxiety of not having any opiates, but if you can get some gabapentin I found it to be one of the few things that can help me get some sleep during WDs.

If you can, get some kratom. 250g is about 25$, 29$ shipped or cheaper if you go to the right vendors. Or order some seeds and taper with those. Really though man I'm sure you can get thru it, the first 4 days are probably the worst. Then the physical aspects start to fade, and all that's left is the mental addiction.

Best of luck man
Ian Nattinggold - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:14:23 EST ID:AX5rUfAz No.582658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm already on pregabalin for anxiety problems which is the same kind of thing as gabapentin and I can take extra as long as I leave myself 3 out of the 4 weeks worth for normal doses which doesn't leave me much but should help. I have been through mild opiate withdrawals before so I have some idea what to expect. I thought about kratom, but I only really have the money for weed or kratom at the moment and it seemed like I'd get more out of the weed than kratom
Graham Bossleman - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:53:36 EST ID:B5tcrQaO No.582666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You should be able to just take your normal dose of pregablin if you're on it anyways. You're not looking to get high just relieve RLS and peripheral anxiety. I personally would buy some kratom over weed, but weed exacerbates my anxiety so it's your choice. A good red would go a long way in tapering down and avoiding discomfort however.

For the back aches/RLS I suggest warm bathes often and definitely before bed as well.

No more oxys! by Lydia Honeyfuck - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 03:29:05 EST ID:bQqoVc6f No.582557 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys just a thought/question with the situation im in, now ive been doing 80mg oxys once a week for quite some time now i do it as a relax day kind of thing and the guy who i get them off isnt around anymore and i wanted to know if there were any good opi alternatives or any way to get a docs script for such things? im from aus
cheers guys
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Basil Fuvinglock - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:27:12 EST ID:mI2HWRHy No.582565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On the topic of oxy, does anyone know what 25s are worth or how many you should take (for no tolerance, partial tolerance, and high tolerance)?
Cedric Grandspear - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 00:11:00 EST ID:54CsieLU No.582578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey mate, I'm also from Aus. How much were you paying for the 80mg oxys? I use the darknet to buy fent nasal spray now which used to be cheap but now my tolerance is fucked I'm spending too much.
Hamilton Weppertut - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 01:51:26 EST ID:KHARyJvV No.582579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
unless youre OK getting more addicted/going deeper down the rabbit hole, youre best off sticking with the 80s. otherwise you got street dope, kratom extract, poppy tea, tramadol (ez RX) or whatever else u can find. AUS opi supply is pretty dry, try dark net vendors. there might be OTC codine or dihydrocodeine idk for emu land
MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 02:24:13 EST ID:Si70sRnO No.582581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ausfag here.
Poppy seed tea, no go unless you grow your own seeds, also not an option. Or maybe find a local supplier but you're just relying on luck.
Only one way to find out and thats to try.

Otc codeine, either no or very soon to be not an option depending on the state you're in.

DHC is OTC in some statez but only prepared with tons of Sorbitol and if you have a tolerance, which you do you will make yourself sick as fuck trying to get high on it.

Kratom is illegal but im sure you could order it.

Tramadol is by prescription only but fairly widely prescribed for certain injuries.
Its street dope and maybe some pills through the street dope guys or get on the deepweb my friend.
Eliza Hoshnin - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:05:36 EST ID:SMT1NWqU No.582650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So is Hoyts completely bunk now? I haven't done PST in a while (been doing H instead), but they used to be my go-to. That and OTC codeine, which we unfortunately won't have anymore come 2018.

Need help by Fucking Mellyspear - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 00:28:55 EST ID:rsPsf2TS No.582387 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Due to a pain problem, I got hooked on opiates and was being prescribed them in pain management until they decided to wean me off methadone entirely. Unfortunately, I was still in pain and the lower doses of methadone weren't helping, so I turned to PST.

Stupid, stupid decision but now I'm hooked on PST and need help getting off. The surgery I need to fix my pain (it's not life threatening or anything, it's just really bad feet that causes bad pain when walking or standing) was canceled by the surgeon because he wasn't comfortable with the fact that I was on pain meds and didn't want to do it until I was clean.

Then I was kicked from my pain clinic because of the PST in my urine.

Now I just need to get off of this stuff. It's ruining my life but I can't do it by tapering, I guess I'm just not strong enough. I would like to try to get back on methadone or whatever will help me. What can be done?

More and more pain clinics these days are opiate free so I don't want to waste money to go to a clinic and have them tell me they can't help me.

I also want to avoid rehabilitation clinics because I don't want that shit on my insurance where my employer can find out and I can't afford to pay in cash. Plus I feel like if I go the rehab option, it'll always be on my medical history and every time I go to the doctor, my problem will be written off as a drug problem.

I'm stuck. Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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Fucking Mellyspear - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 03:31:39 EST ID:rsPsf2TS No.582401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
FST right? Okay, I will try my hand at that. I hope it turns out okay. This is really hard. Thank you.
Hunter S. Nodson - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:03:21 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.582420 Ignore Report Quick Reply

there is no real FST these days, its very hard to find. The only vendor I know that sells something similar is phyto.

If I were you, I'd recommend looking into supercritical CO2 extracts or waiting a few days for a new vendor that will be popping up in the paid ads here soon :) Kratom extract game is about to change for the better, it'll be like the golden days of FST but without the FST lol.
Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:21:10 EST ID:J8+7NiNQ No.582423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I struggled with pst dependency for TWO YEARS.

Suboxone changed everything. Between suboxone, kratom, and lope, you can do it. You just have to feel like you have Ebola in the shower for 10 days.

For me everything changed like a light maybe 4 days ago. I was glowing to all fuck with endorphins and just sat there in awe at being sober again.

You have three general choices. Either taper, CT, or do combos of Taper and CT.

Typically I would say CT for 3 whole days then dose half of normal. I did 5.5 days at the peak of my addiction and suicide and negativity was rampant, so watch out for that.

All you can really do is what I suggested. If I was deep in the whole again I would recommend BENZOS for sure, but no more than 10 days.

Without benzos you will not sleep for a week guaranteed.
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Edwin Blythedock - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 23:27:28 EST ID:KHARyJvV No.582472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you dont take enough kratom to get well, just enough to take the edge off until you go through enough wd where the same amount of kratom will get you well. extract might help for first day or two, still going to have to jump from high dose opiates at some point
MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 04:42:38 EST ID:UQGwpceQ No.582585 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just a disclaimer.
Taking loads of lope for long periods of time isn't as safe as we used to think it was.

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