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Collapsing Veins: The Do's & The Dont's by breakabond - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 07:17:58 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574838 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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pic related
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breakabond - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 23:02:30 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574869
>and then each time you shoot again move UP the vein
i.e. choose a new spot "downstream" the vein? did I understand that right?
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breakabond - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 23:04:13 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574881
>this video: https://youtu.be/-nAS_0nYpxQ?t=204
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 15:23:45 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.574917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574883
uh i think you got it backwards. ie if shooting into your elbow start as far down your arm (as in the direction of your hand) as you can find the vein for me i can hit my inner elbow vein an inch down from my elbow and then work my way up (as in towards my body and away from my hand) as i do more. Think about it like this. When you inject you always go with the blood flow as it moves to the heart so if start higher on your arm and work down in the direction of your hand every time you do another shot it puts a lot of extra pressure on the old injection sites and can increase the chance of a collapse. Thus start closer to the hand and work up. Its alright to move down to the forearm after exhausting the elbow because its far enough away from the elbow that the increased pressure from pushing the shot into the vein is spread out enough to not hurt the vein so much higher up. As for healing cream i like to use neosporin+pain relief. It helps with soreness, reduces bruising and tracking and reduces the chance of an abscess in case of a miss. Its really good stuff really. Vit E will help it heal faster but thats about all. ill get back to about the video later unless someone else checks it first.
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breakabond - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 03:27:13 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574917
Hey why is shooting into the hands and feet bad?
The veins look so easy.
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:40:44 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.574964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574942
two reasons the veins are delicate and if you fuck up its gonna be waaaay worse because there's like no muscle or fat to absorb the missed shot making infection more likely and any infection is much more likely to cause serious problems like for example tendon damage. plus feet are so far from heart and brain it can ruin the rush and then the shots pointless.


Made it out by Blake w - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 04:20:35 EST ID:HEWkwB03 No.574659 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys, haven't posted on here in years, used to be on here a lot when i was doing dope. I was really hopeless. I'm not here to brag, or to convince you to flush your drugs, just wanted to let you guys know i got to hit 4 years clean and sober last December. Its something i hope you all can try at least once. If you need help I'll attach my email and you can reach out to me on there (if its not allowed admins delete my post please)

Love you guys.
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Thomas de Queasy - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:56:42 EST ID:Ky2oIAjY No.574915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574875
Oh yeah you're right I do remember the robbery thing now. Probably one of my favorite stories from /opi/ too now that I think about it.
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Martha Clannerwater - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 18:46:44 EST ID:0NkvpNRp No.574923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> Made it back
Just wanted everyone to know sober life sucks.
I was sober for over 2 years and shit sucked
I now look for any and every opiate. However I dont take them everyday and try my best to space it.
Its not like when I was young and id just sit and think about drugs and how to get em. Im busy working, playing/writing music, doing other hobbies but when I can ill get some opiods and do em when I feel like.

Its nice to be in control of the addiction.

Dont think im bamboozled I have been to where if I go 6 hours without heroin I will start violently puking and shitting myself but like I said this time around I can go days without getting sick (if I do) and when I start getting sick I take some maintenance drugs and take some time off.

Mind over very veru strong matter but believe me it is possible with vigorous brain training.
Not trying to say OP is a faggot but everyone is different and I loathe the fuck out of life and about 98% of everyone in it so fuck you

Oh I also exercise everyday except mondays (my rest day)
My veins are prime for shooting.
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Ernest Bonderville - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 00:14:08 EST ID:9cwN1yZ6 No.574932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574915
The hammer? Lmao
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Phineas Grandfield - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 00:23:48 EST ID:uL7V2uad No.574933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574659
I'm piggybacking off your post because it's mildly relevant and tweeks on stimu are busy chewing their nails


Hey all,
Long time opi and Benz guy here. I hate stimulants and have a hard time even sipping coffee.
tl ; dr
I smoked 5 major hits of Crystal earlier with me brother (a stim lover) and I feel good, but don't see sleep any time in the future is the problem. I have Baclofen, clonazepam, oxy-5s, vistiril, prozosin, propranolol, beer, clonidine... All a GREAT a mount of, but don't want to down too many Klons because I use them nightly and don't have a refill for a bit.. But can take about 7 (1mg) without Fucking myself.
Does anyone have any XP which combo works good to fall asleep in a few hour's? I last smoked 5 hours ago. I don't want to take too many BP meds (propran or the Prozosin or clonidine) and not wake up. Have work at 9am. Its 8pm now. Suggestions?
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breakabond - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 05:03:28 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574933
propranolol works well for me to get the bpm down.
Combine that with melatonin + benzo


NYC H by John Drandersirk - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 14:33:19 EST ID:fRhjzkeW No.574855 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What is the best way to find H or fent on the street in NYC? I've never done a street deal.
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nz !!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 21:22:52 EST ID:JvUiiflM No.574872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not from the are or even country but some handy tips I recall from ye olde "the scene" before it went down was looking for areas where there'd been drug operations. Not like major ones but like undercover buys and shit. The cops basically advertise the hot dope spots.

Then there's the usual shit: methadone clinics, NA meetings (don't be a dick. Find someone who's still using and just use common sense) then the classic: Red light districts. It might be different overseas but here the two are generally linked. Street prostitutes anyway. Go into a legal brothel trying to score and you'll get tossed out on your ear.

The red light district one is a sure fire winner. I've cold copped several times like that over five years ago and got long term contacts I still have today. That's your best bet for breaking into the scene. Don't be a rube: some sap eternally paying. Make it very clear in the beginning where you stand and what you expect.
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nz !!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 21:37:34 EST ID:JvUiiflM No.574874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574863
nb, but just wanted to say this isn't always the case. But often it is. As a rule it's safe to follow (i.e if you're asking how to score on the internet, chances are a seatbelt esque rule might be helpful)

I would just make them leave behind something. Nothing so expensive I'd steal it myself, but just annoying enough that it's worth little to me yet annoying for them to replace. I.e their bank card or phone or bag. You have to take this with a grain of salt. Bank card doesn't work in the US cos I know you guys don't use eftpos like we do here. Someone might also abandon their bag for a dose too. But it's less likely. Chances are they might tail you and wait for you to toss it and then retrieve it. I've had a guy tell me he's done this one. Just took a guys money and went into a building and sat up on the balcony of a higher floor and watched til the guy gave up and left. Throwing the bag under a bush about 20 steps away.

A lot of the street guys won't rip you if you can make them see the pay off in longevity. I don't really do it so much anymore but I used to middleman a lot and I had lots of chances to rip people off for 300 or whatever bucks. But what was the point when they'd come through every week and give me 80$? I'd rather have the $80 a time then a one off payment. Also a lot of street people will just hang out in one area so it'd be a pain for them to screw you (not to say they won't) but if you convince them it'd be beneficial you might be able to get something.

As a general rule, friends don't serve in place of a bond either. I.e my friend will wait with you til I get back. If you can sit by someones car or house (if they have either) those are pretty good. That aside, a phone, bag, wallet etc. Shit like phone numbers and cards are a pain to replace for street guys and they need that shit for scoring and benefits.

A golden rule to live by is if it sounds too good to be true, it is. Also be wary of someone who's very eager to do it.
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Basil Murdson - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 21:34:50 EST ID:aA4Q0+ZU No.574928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oddly enough, I've found that the best way to score on the street is to basically just look like you do dope.

I was like a week off a pretty major oxy habit, looking pretty rough and I was in the hospitable visiting my cousin who'd just od'd when I went to the bathroom in the lobby. As I was walking towards the pisser, this scrawny, ripped-jean wearin, sketchy white kid approached me and was like 'yo, check this out' obviously tryin to sell me something.
Considering that I was there for my cousin's od, I told I was set and he left me be. Later I saw him counting stacks just sitting at a table in the fuckin hospital lobby
Pretty odd, but thats good ol' Boston for ya. I wonder if he slings in hospitals often.

Anyway, OP. Look the part, give the bums a cigarette or two, spark a convo and casually ask. If anythings seems suspect, just walk.
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pills !zkraGArAss - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 23:33:26 EST ID:jj+cq7cm No.574930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I feel like NYC would be a lot easier open air but I assume more dangerous, the word New York just fills me with dread lol damn simpsons.

But anywho my tips about the same.
> Go up to a ghetto/like a well known drug area corner store and post yourself up somewhere and smoke. You will be approached eventually.
(Itd be weird if you dont know drug areas. I dont mean specific but like places people lock their doors, have more black people/hispanics. Think ghetto, high crime, hobos, drug addicts.

This is one I just found out but
> go to your local library!
This may sound silly but I go to the library to download music and there are so many addicts. And I literally just overheard some people talking and I just politely asked for heroin.
Unless its like a library in a nice area/not drug town. My city is heavily opiated so idk.

And remember don't let your money walk no matter how desperate you are
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Caroline Fenkinhotch - Tue, 07 Mar 2017 00:40:11 EST ID:nvCVUHWV No.574935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574855
Go to 33rd street get on the Path train to Newark NJ about 25 minutes..
Get out in Newark walk a few blocks to Broad and Market.. its a major intersection in town.. People will be selling shit or just as where's the dope at... watch out for police.. this is a 100% proven method for people who don't know how to cold cop or don't know spots in NJ NB


Yo, quick question by William Creggleford - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:13:55 EST ID:ARmI/ytm No.574910 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is there a quick, more subtle way to crush tablets for a CWE? I've always used a mortar and pestle but I'm planning to crush them while I'm in work tomorrow because of an extremely tight schedule.
I'm almost always unsupervised, but I can just see my manager walking through unexpectedly and my dumb ass sitting there halfway through crushing like 40 pills and getting fired over it.
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Charlotte Pebbledidging - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:31:57 EST ID:4lMnKTCd No.574911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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just crush them now?
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William Creggleford - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:36:59 EST ID:ARmI/ytm No.574912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574911
Sorry, should have clarified, my plan is to buy them on the way into work (OTC codeine), crush and dissolve them in work, filter when I leave and then take the dose on the train home.
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Charlotte Pebbledidging - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:48:42 EST ID:4lMnKTCd No.574913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574912
can't you just go "take a shit" and take your mortar and pestle with you? it sounds like you do office work so just put that shit in your jacket or coat or whatever
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Charles Serrygold - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 15:59:01 EST ID:MbIQK7eu No.574918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574910
Toss them in a bottle of water or other water satchel and let them dissolve on their own, I never crushed my T1s or ac&c's I always just waited a half hour for them to dissolve on their own, agitating every now and then. Your pills might not dissolve but they probably will.
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Martin Pangershit - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 20:09:41 EST ID:ARmI/ytm No.574927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574913
Kitchen work (though obviously I wouldn't be preparing drugs in a food service space because I'm not an idiot), I considered the toilet thing but it's a small place so the staff toilet is literally like a fucking cupboard with one toilet in it.
>>574918
I didn't even know you could do this, that sounds perfect. Thanks dude
SLAYER


Suboxone Taper by pills !zkraGArAss - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 02:08:48 EST ID:daXiRiJr No.574794 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Best way to taper myself off suboxone fast?

Bare with me...
Relapsed back in august 2015 doing dope and got to the point about 10 months later id start getting sick after a day if that.
And if id go out without dope for a minute like a week id use a suboxone strip to stay not In WDs . So then I stopped doin dope and just suboxone but I got to the point where if I go without suboxone for 12 hours I start WDing. So ive literally just been pushing these withdrawals off since 2015 . Sometimes with other opiates too. The idea is I never finished off the WDs

Anyway im currently taking about 1.5mg intranasaly every 12 hours. Whats the best way to break it up and taper down to nothing with the minimalist WDs .

> also I only have 4 8mg strips left
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 17:19:24 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.574862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>574794
reduce by .5 every other day, dose in the morning and if you feel sick at bedtime take the same dose you took in the morning so start by 1.5 in the morning and then 1.5 sublingually at night and do the same the next day then reduce to 1 and 1 the next day and do the same the following day then .5 .5 or .75 .75 whichever is tollerable for two days then .25 .25 or .3-4 .3-4 for two days then .2 .2 for two days then .2 just in the evening for two days then try skipping a day and taking .2 the next morning and then just try stopping if you get too sick the day after allow yourself .2 at bedtime but try to push through if possible. Subs are a bit tough to kick as ive found at least even jumping off from .5 once a day i still get pretty bad w/ds for 2-4 days. So you will probably be sick a couple days when you stop entirely but a regiment something like this should minimize that and also leave you a bit of wiggle room if you need extra doses at any point. Good luck brother heres a picture of my home town justcause


Long Term Opiate Abuse Turning you Into a Retard? by pills !zkraGArAss - Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:32:38 EST ID:Z336Y7AF No.574572 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Quick question.
I was having a debate with someone who isn't the brightest person in the world. The question was , "Does long term opiate abuse actually lead to brain deterioration, mental instability"

I cant find any source and the person debating couldnt either and was losing the argument. But I am generally curious as to what long term opiate abuse does.

One paper said it could contribute to a decreased motor function/ ability to control emotions. But thats it.

Also basically what this woman was saying was if you used drugs a lot you were going to become a vegetable or a crazy person who cant function.

Anyone want to help?
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breakabond - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 23:43:05 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>574819
Yeah if science doesn't have an answer for why opioids make it really hard to pee, then that should be pretty concerning for us.
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breakabond - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 01:41:39 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574818
Uh oh...

"a systematic mapping of protein deposits in the brains of 27 [heroin addicts] age: 15-40 years) ... [confirms] previous findings that heroin addiction associates with tau hyperphosphorylation[1] in predilection brain areas for aging and Alzheimer disease. ...  this occurs also in areas implicated in the molecular disturbances and in vivo neuronal networks related to heroin abuse.

Likely causes of hyperphosphorylated tau deposition in drug abuse include hypoxic-ischaemic injury, microglial-associated cytokine release and possibly drug-associated neurotoxicity or hepatitis. "

  1. Hyperphosphorylation of the tau protein (tau inclusions, pTau) can result in the self-assembly of tangles of paired helical filaments and straight filaments, which are involved in the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's disease, frontotemporal dementia, and other tauopathies.


We're all fucked.
That's it! I'm quitting! (tomorrow)
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pills !zkraGArAss - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 03:22:17 EST ID:aOGon1lv No.574833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574830
Fuuuuckk
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breakabond - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 09:32:59 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574830
note to self, manually put line breaks when using the PRE tag.
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Doris Blatherhood - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 16:53:12 EST ID:YGGgCAwz No.574859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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  1. I truly believe that long-term high-dose opiate use (with a few specific exceptions, like one opioid that got phased out decades ago for altering the Q-T interval of users' heart rhythms.) causes zero long-term physical damage by itself (aka improper needle use would not be included).

2. Brains constantly rebuild themselves.

3. Many people have used a lot of heroin for a long time and been just fucking fine (pic related).

4. The only long-term effect is that people who liked using will want to do it again.


ブロン by Thomas Gucklebine - Thu, 02 Mar 2017 03:13:54 EST ID:UxAkvRLr No.574716 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This might be more of an /other/ post, but would I be ok taking this:

105mg dihydrocodeine
175mg dl-methylephedrine hydrochloride
28mg chlorpheniramine maleate
315mg caffeine

it seems safe-ish if not that enjoyable
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pills !zkraGArAss - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:08:11 EST ID:IH+QY62K No.574815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574797
We had the same thread a few weeks back
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nz !!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 04:13:52 EST ID:JvUiiflM No.574835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574791
A guy on opiophile once talked about it. Said gear was expensive. Something like $200 US plus a gram. Might've been 3 or more hundred. Even the syringe was a big ordeal and cost like 20 - 50 usd iirc. This guy just had a good means to a local connection through someone. But a friend of mine when he was there had no trouble with weed, ecstasy and acid via some music / dance thing he was doing there. While I was there I saw a lot of Nigerians standing around. They like to pretend to be American black dudes and there tiny little bit of English makes them like rockstars. I tried talking to one and all he was like a few words and it was quite funny. He ran a store that sold all kinds of expensive hip hop clothes and obviously his image was vital to this trade. They ate it up.
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Quetzalcoatl !KDjYWIiOiM - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 07:13:46 EST ID:OIpQoQ2U No.574837 Report Quick Reply
>>574729
>hope this aint classed as sourcing :| .

It is.


OP that's so much caffeine it's just over 3:1 caffeine:dihydrocodeine

Caffeine is kinda hard to extract from stuff too. And pretty soluble. At room temperature 100ml dissolves 1.6g, at freezing point (0c) 100ml of water dissolves 600mg of caffeine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1749828b

> Major psychiatric symptoms observed included hallucinatory-paranoid state and affective disorder. There also were groups which exhibited a combination of the two states and abuse only. 3. The hallucinatory-paranoid state group had a relatively small BRON usage amount, short usage term and few withdrawal symptoms. The affective disorder group, in contrast, had large usage amount, longer usage term, and showed significant autonomic nerve disorders during withdrawal.

That's for long-term users though and is probably the dl-methylphenedrine, which is an ephedrine derivative.
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 14:05:33 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.574853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574837
Yah i wouldnt be alright with that amount of chlorphen. The stims i could probably deal wit but man thats just way too much chlorphen.
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Nigel Lightgold - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 18:26:28 EST ID:UxAkvRLr No.574865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574837
Well I ended up taking the whole 60 pills over the course of a day, which would be
150mg DHC
250mg methylephedrine
40mg CPM
450mg caffeine

it wasn't too bad, I got decently buzzed for about 3-4 hours, though every now and then some stimulation would come out. However, when the DHC wore off I was left stimming quite hard, had to take a walk because I simply could not sit calmly for 3 seconds, only managed to fall asleep at 6am and that was only for 3 hours, the next day I felt quite great actually, no usual sleep deprivation symptoms.

Overall, it's really not worth it, the high wasn't even that good and the stimulation was a major pain in the ass


Juice by Rebecca Bronningford - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 01:39:35 EST ID:05eGxzbl No.574747 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Going to make some e-juice so I can catch my buzz discretely. I have a bottle of VG, I spilled my VG but I was planning on using some regular mixed juice. Lets say one vial is 1ml, I'm using Fu-F. What is a good ration to start with for a moderate-high potency? I was going to do 1ml/10mg and work down or up volumetrically. Any tips on dosing from some juice makers? I've done it with HCL and figured I could cut it by 1/10 but I don't want to waste.
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Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 15:07:27 EST ID:NZSaVF2M No.574771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574752

He's using F-uf, aka F-urnarylFentanyl (*sp?); it's a Fentanyl analog that lasts 4-6X longer than regular fentanyl and is 1/4 to even 1/2 the duration of non-IV heroin for noobs
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Jarvis Buffingstock - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 18:59:16 EST ID:KlNIRXWZ No.574820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574771
I was under the impression that Fu-F lasted even shorter than regular Fent.
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Quetzalcoatl !KDjYWIiOiM - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 07:40:52 EST ID:OIpQoQ2U No.574841 Report Quick Reply
>>574820
Apparently furanylfentanyl is like 5 times less potent than fentanyl. I cannot find anything solid on furanylfentanyl but what I see people report is that it's at least half of what fentanyl is, if not around 1/4-1/5 of fent's halflife.


OP I've read about people doing this for ecigs. PG is what you want, lots of drugs are mixed with it for oral or intravenous. Not sure about the solubility of it in VG. I would start with a small bottle and start it on the weak side. One thing to take into consideration is that different setups produce different amounts of vapor, so you may be fine with a specific dose on a tank, but then if you used the juice in an RDA you'd get more vapor and a higher dose. You have a good point about not wanting to waste it by making it too diluted, but I don't have any experience with fu-f, much less using in an ecig. I did used to make my own juice though. You'll want to definitely make sure all of the fu-f is properly homogenized in the juice so you don't end up with one part of it that's mostly VG and one part of it that's heavy with fu-f. I had an old fan with a dimmer setup so I could have it spin really slowly. I taped my bottles to it and had it set to low revolutions so the juice would splash around.
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Quetzalcoatl !KDjYWIiOiM - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 07:47:49 EST ID:OIpQoQ2U No.574842 Report Quick Reply
>>574841
Oh, never mind, I found a site I can't link to, that has fu-f in a vg/pg suspension that says it has 30mg fu-f per ml. I'm not sure what the vaporized dose for fu-f is, but that's something to work off I guess? Drops per ml is hard to quantify because the diameters of the ends of droppers isn't exactly standardized and you could have anywhere from 10-25 drops per ml depending on the dropper. 30mg of fu-f, assuming it's 5x weaker, would be pretty heavy still? That's the equivalent of ~6mg of fentanyl per ml, and that's a fuckload of fent doses considering standard IV dose is like 50 micrograms. 10mg per ml of fu-f might be alright but like you said you might want to start on the low and work up.
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 13:36:42 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.574851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574842
10 mg is waaay too much. When i had a gram of fuf i was using 3 mg at most in the beginning to nod for about 2 hours 3 at the ver most never had it last more than four hours even when i started needing larger doses. Near the end i needed 5-8 mg but had to dose every hour to stay out of w/ds and by the end it was so bad that i couldnt take enough fuf without actually starting to OD to stay out of constant w/ds id either start throwing up because i took too much or id be constantly throwing up because there was no longer a safe amount i could take to stay well as the line between too much and vomiting and too much and blacking out was very very thin like 8-10 mg had me throwing up but 12 mg had me blacking out but anything less than 10-11 mg wouldnt keep me out of w/ds. Shit was fucked man the tolerance is fucking insane


Hello by Augustus Parrytutch - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 20:56:12 EST ID:sJnOYjvS No.574780 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How much more anxiolytic are opioids than alcohol? Like massively?
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breakabond - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 02:23:43 EST ID:Mjy+WWFm No.574796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574792
If you dose too close to OD then they can actually be anxiogenic.
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overgrownpath !3g9OJxiR.6 - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 02:43:43 EST ID:JvUiiflM No.574801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good question. I don't really know. How is the anxiolytic quality of a drug measured anyway? Like I know they talk about certain benzos being more hypnotic than anxiolytic (triazolam comes to mind) etc but I've never looked into how they quantify such features of a particular drug.

By my own subjective experience I find opioids to be far more anxiolytic than alcohol and on about the same level as most benzos.
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 11:28:36 EST ID:CDyeJ1uk No.574814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574781
>this picture
literally why
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pills !zkraGArAss - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 19:20:04 EST ID:b18OmpPK No.574821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>574780
Id have really bad panic attacks/anxiety randomly when doing long binges of heroin.
Id wake up screaming and legitimately just frraked out by reality that life is real.
So bad that I got on benzos (legally) just for those panic attacks.

After the peak of the high plateaud id get those attacks. Only on opiates. However ive had anxiety before but not as bad. I just get a super weird feeling on opiates.
Nb cus not really helpful just a curious fact.
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Polly Fivingwater - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:34:56 EST ID:GmoETuV0 No.575483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574781
clean under your fucking nails reuben


Psychostimulation on opiates by Jarvis Morringfoot - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 05:37:16 EST ID:tPYSm67i No.574540 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I don't get it. Every time I take any /opi/ even just for pain relief I'm bouncing the whole night like I'm popping dexxies or something. How do you people manage to sleep on this shit? Even now I can't stop myself from fucking trembling due to the sheer amount of energy flowing through me at this exact moment. No chance at all I'm going to be able to sleep tonight. I just wanted my wisdom teeth sockets to stop hurting f-fuck.
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Albert Clayhood - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:19:22 EST ID:ktk8ROuS No.574548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yea i get that too. i like it though, i can just lay there for hours, incredibly comfortable and not needing to move an inch for hours on end, its hard to enter a deep sleep from this but personally normally im someone who needs to fidget and move around non stop when lying down trying to sleep so this feels really nice for me
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Jarvis Morringfoot - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 14:54:06 EST ID:tPYSm67i No.574553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574543
Tolerance doesn't matter for me, I could roll oxys for two months and still not sleep for 3/4ths the time. The closest thing I can relate to the sensation is bipolar-esque hypomania complete with racing thoughts, sexual appetite and decreased need for sleep. This continues until the opiate wears off and even then I feel 'buzzed', for lack of a better word, for a day or two after.
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Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 07:16:40 EST ID:NZSaVF2M No.574809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>574540
I'm so tired of losing 60min posts. Here's to recap.

>YMMV but certain opioids are more stimulating, sedating (not just OD potential...veterans will know what I mean), euphoric/rush inducing, and central nervous depressing than other opioids.

> Oxycodone

>1. THE most energetic and stimulating mainstream opioid in existencexistence (tied for hydromorphone but dilaudid is less common and oxycodone is more prone to irritabilitym therefore takes the cke)

>2. Stimulating: high,

>3. Sedating: low-moderately low but dose dependent,

>4. euphoria: euphoria moderate-high dose dependent (most efficienct if taken instant release orally, yet plugging can cause higher peak plasma with oral-tier efficeny; snorting = similar peak levels as plugging with ~2/3 drug efficiency.
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Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 07:45:55 EST ID:NZSaVF2M No.574812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>574553

From Stimulating > sedating

So yeah switch to morphine or possibly tramadol > hydocodone > codeine/C-6-G (idk not sleepy) > PPT (thebaine) > PST (less thebaine than average pods more uniquestions strains) > morphine > Methadone I assume never had

No idea where codeine belongs with 60% of its action via c-6-g and tramadol with ODSMT. Same goes for bupe (never had it)

Any other obscure opioids an one wants to talk about briefly within these five categories? Sorry I'm high
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sat, 04 Mar 2017 08:50:36 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.574813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574812
Bupe IME is very energetic for the first 6-8 hours depending on tolerance to bupe specifically, cross tolerance effects bupe less than many others which is nice. Acetyl-bupe (easy to make) or acetyl-bupe-acetamino which is harder as it requires a very specific chem (not AA) to add the second acetyl, or regular diacetyl-bupe made from AA or diacetyl-bupe-acetamino are most energetic in this order bupe<acetyl-bupe<diacetyl-bupe<acetyl-bupe-acetamino<diacetyl-bupe-acetamino. Then once the euphoric energy starts dropping it switches to an equal amount of sedation for the rest of the duration with the sedation being a wave form of sometimes fine and sometimes nodding or nearly nodding. This has been my experience at least.


Suboxone during overdose by Martha Pickwell - Thu, 02 Mar 2017 21:28:28 EST ID:fRhjzkeW No.574738 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can suboxone/bupe be used to reverse a mild overdose?
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Sidney Toothall - Thu, 02 Mar 2017 22:06:54 EST ID:X//8SUC9 No.574742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574738
No. The naloxone is in there to differentiate it from subutex. Not even active orally. You can shoot suboxone in small amounts to get high.
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Aciddrop !tbcTsdGo8Q!!vVWR8L52 - Thu, 02 Mar 2017 22:21:54 EST ID:gMFH/U5U No.574743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574738
It's possible but that literally a last resort scenario. Like your out in the wilderness hours from civilization with no phone to call for a helicopter last resort. it would work best being injected right after the od occurs and it could possibly help.
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Shit Sottinglock - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:23:16 EST ID:+0xUKj+s No.574787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574738
It's very much dependent upon the tolerance of the person overdosing. If someone has a high enough tolerance that they are unable to get noticeable effects/a high from suboxone then there is a good chance it will reverse an overdose or even cause precipitated WDs, the dose of bupe would also come into it. Basically AFAIK it would all come down to equivalency, whether the amount of bupe you give them is effectively a lower dose then what is currently in their system. Whether or not the amount of bupe is enough to outcompete the other opioid for receptor sites is also a factor but since it has such high affinity it is likely to.

If you give bupe to a person without a significant tolerance then it could very well make the OD worse as whatever opioid they are currently ODing on will be replaced with a bupe OD, very hard to knock off receptors and hugely long half life. It's a real gamble and generally not a safe idea at all, if you can get narcan it's not even worth considering.
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Shit Sottinglock - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:26:38 EST ID:+0xUKj+s No.574788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574742
Just to add to what I said before, the naloxone isn't a factor. Like you say suboxone can be IVed to get a high because bupe has a much higher affinity than naloxone. The bupe itself is what *can* reverse an OD, and what causes precipitated WDs if you take suboxone with (a higher equivalent dose of) other opioids in your system.
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Shit Sottinglock - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:28:09 EST ID:+0xUKj+s No.574789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>574788
>Naloxone isn't a factor

I should say it isn't really a factor, it's possible that naloxone has a higher rate of association and will initially bind to receptors before being replaced by bupe.
nb for rampant pedantry


Tramadol by Phineas Purringville - Thu, 02 Mar 2017 14:41:43 EST ID:SaS2gMOw No.574732 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How many of you get headaches so bad you have to take this shit occasionally?

I shouldnt run out but I end up taking them cause they are mellow. Was so bad yesterday ordering some from deep web was difficult. I really hope they are here tommorr. I fuckin need that shit.
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Molly Wugglenit - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 18:18:50 EST ID:N5fW1sXG No.574773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Only first 5-10 times, after that headaches were gone for me.


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