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methadone taper from clinic by Hugh Simmleford - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:15:03 EST ID:0IvuxO3K No.602271 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I am tapering off methadone from being perscribed pain meds for when i had a spinal tumor. Ii tapered from 120mg to 30mg in 3months. When you get down to 20 they male you sign an AMA (agianst medical advise) and they taper you at 5mg a week til 0.

I have clonidine, gabapentin, trazadone, and klonopin from a dr incase.

Do you guys think this is gonna be hard now that its a lower dosage. Will i suffer badly?
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Alice Hazzledock - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:15:20 EST ID:0IvuxO3K No.602329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My retarded clinic belives tapering is agianst medical advise so the dr takes over at 20mg, they were suposse to do 10mg a week til 0, but i fought for 5mg and now 3mg... although im comfortable with 5mg i would like to push it down 1mg or 2mg
Alice Hazzledock - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:17:19 EST ID:0IvuxO3K No.602330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What i meant to say at the end of that last sentance was. Currently set for 5mg/week at 20mg. Now fighting for 3mg/week which i feel might be easier.
lol - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:57:59 EST ID:oaWRMjn3 No.602331 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah I've heard 1 to 3 is easiest, I give you credit for wanting to get off man, takes some willpower, don't know if id be able to do it especially if i had pain like you do. Just make sure not to push yourself, while I commend you for taking the steps to do what you feel is right dont rush it, if it isn't actively detrimental to your life at the moment and do what has the highest chance of success.
Phoebe Gonninghet - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:31:42 EST ID:nt8QLauv No.602334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thank you, i appreciate the info and compliment, but tbh im scared shitless. I never really been through withdrawals execpt once to get on suboxone (i swotched to methadone cus i was getting wierd ass rashes all over my body)
Polly Turveystock - Sun, 18 Nov 2018 06:48:42 EST ID:IhY/e0eb No.602441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
With all the comfort meds you have it shouldn't be too harrowing. Gabapentin especially is pretty great, pregabalin is even better. Same story as benzos in terms of copping a habit. If possible try to alternate benzos and gabapentin(oids) 3days of one 3days of the other (or aomething like that) since they have different mechanisms of action.
Your doctor will be trained in recognising withdrawal symptoms and since you were a pain patient not maintenance you will probably get more leeway. The fear itself is often the worst part.

Plugging H by Edward Nucklewill - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 19:35:11 EST ID:kD+AFL9/ No.602416 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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It's powder. Do I need to cook it before I shoot it up my bum or? I'd like some specifics on how to do this. I have a 1 ml oral syringe and a 5 ml oral syringe. I'll use either. Educate me.
Ernest Duzzlewill - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 19:41:37 EST ID:UppIIRC6 No.602417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look up how to prep your kind of powder and instedad of filtering just suck into a syringe and apply to ass
Edward Nucklewill - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 19:54:14 EST ID:kD+AFL9/ No.602418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can't find it. It's peach colored powder
Doris Chemmerlock - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 21:33:45 EST ID:vRlnIk/q No.602423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Could be #4, could be #3. If dissolve in water -> shoot. If doesnt dissolve, add vinegar B)
Dr. M - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 23:40:49 EST ID:DCBcvEkW No.602427 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Use the 5ml. No heat is necessary. You can either use a filter or not depending on the perceived quality. If you dont use often, then dont bother filtering it. Just use hot tap water to help it dissolve (opposite of the way you prep for IV, aka cold shots), and if there's tons of powder left undissolved in the syringe, you can filter it if you want.

Make sure your bowel are empty. Either do an enema or stick a lubed finger up there to check. Always wait until after you take a solid shit. Use a bit of lube so you dont scratch your shitter.

I'm assuming you're from North America, and that its #4 ECP.
Sidney Grimdock - Sun, 18 Nov 2018 05:33:37 EST ID:BN/yxys5 No.602437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Where you from bud? If europe, it's no doubt #3.

you'll need to prep it with a bit of vitamin c/ascorbic, as you would for IV, cause it won't dissolve otherwise. you shouldn't need heat at all.

Codeine working strangely after week-long break by 寧々 - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:02:04 EST ID:MmiH18o2 No.602217 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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After having had my opiates switched multiple times by my doc due to them not working for my chronic pain, I got prescribed gabapentin and codeine. I was previously on 6mg dilaudid twice a day and it did jack shit for me. I took a week-long break from any opis, and then started the codeine back up. Now I get really bad facial itching and it takes an incredibly long time for it to work for my pain. Once it does, I nod HARD. Used to only take 20 mins to kick in and only gave me a mild rush. What gives? Any way to make it kick in faster?
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Thomas de Queasy - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:28:58 EST ID:IXMIemyA No.602302 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Codeine is horrible in terms of histamine realease, probably the worst opi in that regard by far, take some diphenhydramine beforehand. It'll add to the sedation and relueve the itchniness.

If its fril tge the gabapentin, try pregabalin, though it's likely to od ust the sale. I'd recommend baclofen, it's not only prescibed for alcoholism, but also as a muscle relaxant and it helps with the pain quite a bit?

t. been in pain management for 9 years now.
寧々 - Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:51:54 EST ID:78N+piBu No.602368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For those who are curious: went to the hospital today, doctor there said it is certainly an adverse reaction to the gabapentin that is causing these 2 weeks of vomiting, diarrhea, sedation, dizziness, uncoordination, and facial itchiness. Was told to drop down from 600mg twice daily and 300 once daily to 300 three times daily. Feeling much better already. Was prescribed topiramate in its place. Also noticed that the codeine worked within a reasonable amount of time and gave me a very powerful but normal rush. Guess the gabapentin got potentiated by it and muddied it's effects.
dr. m - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 21:29:02 EST ID:Tq198yCm No.602400 Ignore Report Quick Reply

There's not much you can take besides suboxone/methadone, morphine, oxy XR, etc. Have you tried snorting dilaudid (or even better, IV?) the way God intended for it to be consumed?
寧々 - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:20:57 EST ID:78N+piBu No.602404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oxy XR is one of the options my dr has suggested we could try, as well as long-acting morphine. I haven't tried snorting dilaudid- isn't that like playing with fire? I always take my meds as directed.
Tbf today and yesterday the pain in my eyes has been hell though. Been totally non-functional and just passing out and vomiting from how bad it's been.
Dr. M - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 12:18:37 EST ID:kKqyu/bd No.602410 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Try snorting/plugging the dilaudid. If it were me, I'd ask for a combination of either oxy XR for chronic pain and dilaudid for break thru (actually snort it...snorting pills dont magically make them 20x more addicting), or perhaps fentanyl patches for chronic pain alongside oxymorphone aka opana for break thru + supplemental to the fentanyl patches.

If none of that works, then I guess try to get scripted medium dose methadone for chronic and either opana IR or fentanyl cough drops/lollipops for break through, or both.

I'd say by far the best combo is likely fentanyl patches for 24/7 pain (or maybe oxy XR), Dilaudid 8mg IR for break thru (snorted), and oxymorphone aka Opana IR 10mg for emergency non daily pain. This is because opana lasts like 8+ hours and fucks your tolerance up.

Binding affinity and fent and bup by Phyllis Babbershaw - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 12:42:46 EST ID:bu0LwMsA No.602328 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I got some methoxyacetylfentanyl today, but I'm also on 12mg suboxone for maintenance. I only took 8mg suboxone today in the morning and thought maybe the binding affinity of the maf could break through the suboxone blockade. Well i took 2,5mg IV and did get a great rush but what now? Will my receptors be "free" after the fent stops working so i'll start withdrawing soon and will i get precipicated wds when I take subs then?
Fuck Favingstock - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:44:25 EST ID:vjCd9yzM No.602385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm no expert, but logic would suggest that the buprenorphine present in your system will rebind to the receptors once the fentanyl analogue fades. Bupe's binding affinity is plenty strong and the HL of most fentanyls is very short, so I'd speculate that the rush you felt was the stronger fentanyl agonist displacing the weaker mixed agonist-antagonist buprenorphine for a little while, but the immense binding affinity of bupe prevailed when the concentration of fentanyl fell. If you keep shooting the fent, your tolerance will quickly build and the displacement of fentnyl by bupe will - so i think - soon become painful since buprenorphine is a rather mild opiod agonist.
Drunk Junk - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:14:21 EST ID:816JEGWK No.602386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ive broke thru my subs w/ fentalogs too many times to count and i always went into withdrawal once the fentalogs wore off. But thats just my own experience, you may be totally fine once the fents gone.
Jarvis Clillerdere - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:36:25 EST ID:v5DMx5sx No.602391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
fucking dehydrated bich wearing squirtle shirt
Martin Wannerworth - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:43:09 EST ID:JZaogtwd No.602408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks a lot. Yeah I went through the 10mg in one day and got moderate WDs the day after, waited until evening and took the Suboxone. Was not really worth it, meh.

Tilidine by Thomas Turveycocke - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:38:52 EST ID:hjXy/cTw No.602384 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello /opi/,

does anyone here have any experience with Tilidine?

I took it for the first time yesterday and was very underwhelmed.
Sources on the internet stated that 50-100mg were enough for an opiate naive person, but I went up to 500mg and got nothing out of it, except for strong nausea and some slight euphoria.
I'd appreciate any insight or stories you have on this substance, since I have some more lying around and I'd like to get the most out of it.

Pic not related, just some nice german Psy-Rock
Charles Pittridge - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:45:28 EST ID:ka/D3iwG No.602392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
in germany, Tilidin is paired with narcan to stop junks from abusing it. i get an alright buzz off of 50mg if i haven't had any opis for some time. it's nothing to write home about because of the narcan.
good job wasting 20 tablets, try taking and waiting less next time around.
Thomas de Queasy - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:22:39 EST ID:Nw9JIQjj No.602407 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Belgium and NL have the Valoron brand free of the antagonist.

Suboxone by Nicholas Crudgefare - Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:11:32 EST ID:iGu7JCN5 No.602360 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is it possible to knock the suboxone off your receptors? I did probably 1/3 of a half of a 8mg strip at probably 8 or 830 a.m.. I gave a buddy a ride to the pharmacy to pick up his meds and he threw me three k2 dilaudid.. It seems o always come across good shit immediately after doing a sub.. How soon can i get away with doing these k2s? Amy info and experiences appreciated
Normally Anonymous - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:00:39 EST ID:1wyjp9g1 No.602372 Ignore Report Quick Reply
7-10 days in my experience. Trust me, just wait. Taking it early, you will be extremely disappointed.
dr. m - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 21:27:15 EST ID:Tq198yCm No.602399 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This. Wait at least ~72-96hr after a single does, 7-10+ days if you've been dosing daily for a while or have been on full blown maintenance.

Have I overcame the ability to get dopesick? by Walter Worthingwell - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:11:38 EST ID:qIwULXln No.602205 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, I've kicked dope and oxy and shit like an uncountable amount of times in my life. I even once purposely induced precipitated withdrawal to kick really fast(would never do again). I got out of jail about 2 months ago and started banging dope daily again. I decided to quit since my mom is in the ICU and I'm trying to take it easy. Is it a possibility that I've gone through so much worst withdrawals that minor withdrawals aren't even noticed by me? I've been clean 2 weeks after IVing heroin for like a month daily and I literally have had no withdrawal symptoms at all while my girlfriend has been going through it.
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Thomas de Queasy - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 05:19:18 EST ID:E+yypfYZ No.602317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nah not really, I had just woken up so I missed the joke. Also with the recent income of newfags, and our even more recent take-back of /opi/, you never know what kind of bullshit may be typed here anymore.

At any rate, nah they're pretty good hahaha (my test levels), this joke was much better though.

I am planning on cleaning up eventually. Hence why I'm on twice 200mg/day now, vs more than 3 times that amount, in 350mg shots. If I can deal with the pain consistently by martial arts, I will. I'm waiting till next september for the classes to start again, and I'll probably take either aikido or kendo, since there's no kenjutsu anywhere NEAR I live. For now I'm learning for books written by two soke of Eishin-Ryu, and I've been rereading passages of Miyamoto Musashi's Book of the Five Rings. There are also a lot of great kendo/aikido tutorials online, that are really well made, and even if I have to fix my mistakes later on when I do have a teacher, at least I'll have acquired the basics, the muscles mass, the strong, supple wrists I'll need.
Doris Fappercocke - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 05:45:26 EST ID:NnhS6SfQ No.602318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I was just being a cheeky cunt cause you've been here for a while and it always bewilders me that you can handle half a gram morph + oxy + zolpidem + maybe coke shots lol.

But on another note you should give swimming lessons a chance, works wonders for pain, maybe not neuropathic pain but if martial arts are doing you good it's worth a shot, I know I would be on a whole lot of pain if it wasnt for it.
Thomas de Queasy - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:30:57 EST ID:E+yypfYZ No.602321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I used to swim but I'm 6"7' / 2 meters tall, and I 15't want to get naked AND et at 7AM in the winter by -15 degrees celsius, that would wreak havok on my pain levels.

Martials arts are good for posture, especially those that are based around japanese swordsmanship, they builds core muscles, and pretty much all muscles actually, as well as the mind. I've changed my diet, my sleep pattern, and I've stopped 20 years of nailbiting as well as nervous leg shaking since I've started.
Doris Fappercocke - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 17:33:53 EST ID:NnhS6SfQ No.602337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I ment like an indoor climatized pool my boi but if you're good with martial arts way more power to you man, it's just swimming is super relieving in the joints and back.

Just out of curiosity what neuropathic pain do you have? Also how did you get so much shit prescribed for that lol
Fanny Hemmlewed - Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:10:38 EST ID:26EF62bY No.602509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Love how much envy queasy's bwns generate. he literally does nothing wrong and gets half the hate some full retard autist tripfag gets

How do i make dope friends? by Shit Penkinledge - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 01:36:56 EST ID:OJHmaGEM No.602305 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I know no one else who is down to hang out and catch a nod with me
What happened to like dilapidated drug dens where likeminded people who wont judge hang out?
Reuben Mundersuck - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 02:40:52 EST ID:v5DMx5sx No.602308 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Walk around in areas where people sell dope and near by parks where said people go to nod off. I often made dope friends, at least to chill for the day, when living in SF or NY. Though had less luck in Portland and LA, probably because they have much smaller open air market.
Emma Furringlane - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 06:32:19 EST ID:C/qiuSbC No.602319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's tough, especially when you've been out of the game for months/years at a time. Do you have any friends who are not into opis but are in the party scene, or friends of friends that are into the party scene? What about friends/friends of friends that like to take bars, or coke, or psychedelics? I'm not into those kinds of things at all (frankly I hate parties) but that was always my go to to finding people into dope after being dry for ages. To keep people I knew from finding out I was looking for opis, I'd pretend I was looking for something more socially acceptable (again, something like bars or coke, no idea why normies happen to be so down and cool with shit like that but freak at the first mention of opiates), ask friends or friends of friends to hook me up with their dealers, and then when I was alone with the dealer ask for opis or if they knew anyone who could get opis. 7/10 times that works perfectly

chip life by Reuben Gammerwill - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 14:03:49 EST ID:41gmu0X3 No.602209 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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do any of you successfully live that chipping life without getting addicted/suffering from cravings or WDs? i kind of want to start ordering oxy over the dark net and maybe doing them once a month or something. how far apart do i have to space the doses for them to remain effective and not induce cravings and what not? is this a terrible idea?
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:10:59 EST ID:nUr9+Ujt No.602268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i think reuben that you have a point. those lower tier opis just arent really in the same ballpark in terms of addictive properties. hydrocodone is also like the most baby tier when it comes to the addictive pharmas like obviously yes of course it is addictive but honestly not that addictive. getting drugs in the hospital doesnt really count as having tried that drug i got 100 mg ketamine with 65 mg of propofol iv at the hospital but it wasnt fun or recreational cause i was in the hospital. i think that ians posts have a sort of air of superiority about them and generally sound naive. nb
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:13:02 EST ID:nUr9+Ujt No.602269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol no more ian

Horatio Polonius - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 21:00:27 EST ID:LCKLEEVN No.602296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah it's definitely possible, but probably most people become addicts. I spent 10-12 years using opiates recreationally/occasionally without getting addicted, albeit I didn't have a constant supply--it always seemed like COMMON SENSE not to use them frequently. I got addicted for about 6 months 2 years ago, then got clean. Since then, I've successfully chipped, using only 1-3 times/month. I think I can continue this as well. A lot of people can't though, maybe even me, and you should assume you will become addicted. Ordering oxys on the DN seems interesting. Wonder how difficult it is.
Nathaniel Smallstone - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 02:19:50 EST ID:no9P4/dg No.602307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was exactly like you bro. I ordered like half a gram of H from the darknet every few months and would do it once a week maximum, usually less. It never felt like a big deal or that I was getting hooked. This went on for about 6 months and then one day I ordered a fentanyl spray because it was cheap and I wanted to try it. After using it like I had used H (once a week or less) it eventually became more and more frequent and within a couple of months I was using every day all day. I was spending $700+ a week on fentanyl and was addicted for over a year, quitting a few times but always going back. I finally said enough is enough and quit in February this year and I'm happy to say I haven't been back. I still think about it every single day and at times the cravings are so overwhelming I just smoke so much weed that I fall asleep. Don't do it bro, everyone thinks they won't get addicted but pretty much everyone who uses over a period of time will become addicted.
Emma Furringlane - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 06:45:26 EST ID:C/qiuSbC No.602320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>those lower tier opis just arent really in the same ballpark in terms of addictive properties. hydrocodone is also like the most baby tier when it comes to the addictive pharmas
It makes perfect sense too- lots of people coming into hospitals who need surgeries or work done, and lots of those same people need painkillers after. It wouldn't look good getting all of them addicted to opiates (especially after the pill mill scare some time ago) so no shit they've got to script them something that kills the pain but is less recreational than classical opis. You got people of all kinds of life taking hydrocodone for weeks at a time post surgery, and the majority of them never so much as think about opiates when they're through with their prescription.
>getting drugs in the hospital doesnt really count as having tried that drug i got 100 mg ketamine with 65 mg of propofol iv at the hospital but it wasnt fun or recreational cause i was in the hospital.
Agree big time with this too. It's about setting and context, and the kind of dosages you're getting in a hospital mixed with the actual circumstances and atmosphere around you don't really come together for that great of a time.

Glad he removed his posts, don't know what it is with people like that. Not sure if it's just me but seems to be there's been a huge influx of similar people in various opiate communities, you see so many posts nowadays from kids coming off trying some shit like kratom etc. and acting like opiate big shots all of a sudden. It's honestly insufferable, no clue why people think bragging about taking light opiates (hell any opiates) makes them seem cool. Especially when they come into threads with people asking for honest advice on what could lead them down the road to serious addiction and just telling them to go ahead all casual like ("I took kratom and I'm not addicted, so you could get away with taking oxy regularly and not getting addicted!") because they don't have the experience themselves yet to see what kind of horrors wait for people down these kinds of paths. This kind of shit kills and the last thing we need is opi naive kids trying to give other well …
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Gabapentin and lab testing by Martin Suggleford - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 18:21:52 EST ID:Mmyz2xZJ No.601761 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I know this isn't the right board but I need info from people who have been on probation. Ineed people with experience using gaba on probation or while being lab tested. If you have this experience do probation test for gaba when they do lab tests? Also in your experience how long did it take to get out of your system? I've googled and found various answers so any first hand experience would be great. Thank you
Lydia Dremmleforth - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:17:28 EST ID:vRQDNVcp No.602288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No gabapentin does not show up on any panel tests, gc/ms and lc/ms test. I went to a Methadone clinic and taperes way down using gabapentin and weed
Lydia Dremmleforth - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:19:50 EST ID:vRQDNVcp No.602289 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also gabapentin is not a narcotic or a widely abused drug (yet) so no you will never need to worry especislly iff you have a perscription

Mitragynine Pseudoindoxyl by Polly Niddlespear - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 20:04:56 EST ID:g6sJYOf6 No.602139 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Has anyone ever tried this? What was your experience like and would you recommend it?
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Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:04:20 EST ID:nUr9+Ujt No.602275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
im really glad theres someone that agrees because i was surprised by how underwhelming i found the pure extracts. people usually have a hard time believing me about them since really on paper they should be good
Cornelius Backlechare - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:47:02 EST ID:v5DMx5sx No.602276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
is there a rush if you iv the extracts?
Graham Dellytat - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 16:12:14 EST ID:UjRaJqyQ No.602278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You cant... you just cant do that at all lmao. Thatd be super dangerous too. It's basically crushed up leaf extract. That cant be good for ya
namenamename - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 17:27:44 EST ID:LCKLEEVN No.602281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They're also not as "well-rounded" from my experience. I've gotten some high-energy extracts with decent mood lifts, but they lack the overall sense of well-being/calm that quality decent leaf has.
Thomas de Queasy - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:12:48 EST ID:IXMIemyA No.602287 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He means the RCs, those come as powders, like all RCs.

Drugs and Depression by Emma Pockforth - Mon, 12 Nov 2018 11:55:28 EST ID:qlte1l0X No.602243 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey opi,

I recently got off a 2-year suboxone dependence and it has me wondering how much that physical addiction was fueling my depression. It has been about 3 months since my last sub dose and even though I’m still taking kratom every day, I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off me. I’ve been super depressed for a long time now and the past few months have been increasingly better. Other than not dosing every day, everything is the same but I feel like simple tasks that used to make me feel overwhelmed or angry are now easier. Do you guys think your addictions are mostly the cause of your depression? And vise versa, do you think your addiction was caused by your depression or poor mental health? Just curious what you guys have to say. Nod on :)
lol - Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:54:06 EST ID:oaWRMjn3 No.602244 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think it depends on a ton of different things but yeah usually when you're in active addiction the stress of it all with certainly make things harder on you, script or not.

I'm on methadone but compared to when I was still using dope I'm a million times better, I still don't feel great but compared to before its amazing, I was pretty much just waiting to die, the week i set up my intake into my methadone clinic i had to be narcan'd twice in one week, was pretty much at the end of my rope. It took about a year and a half but slowly started feeling better, finally started to feel again and cared about things, I still struggle with depressing but taking away the stress of risking prison time to get well every day, getting diseases and destroying any relationship I can into contact with. Just taking that load off alone is a huge help, still there's a lot of emotional shit, guilt and other inner conflicts that no amount of medicine or clean time can fix by itself but once you take those obstacles out the way it becomes much easier to do.

In a way I think my mental health had some effect on me using, just never felt right as a kid always felt emotionally flat. Had a bad childhood and all that stereotypical stuff that I don't like to talk about, my whole family had very rough lives and they didn't get into drugs so it makes me wonder what is different between us, I think it's just the way some people deal with it, I was and still am emotionally weak, when the first sign of trouble or something goes wrong I think about getting high, I'd like to think I could of handled things differently and avoided all this. Mental health plays a significant role.
dr. m - Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:15:51 EST ID:Tq198yCm No.602246 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Suboxone has amazing anti-depressant effects, and those effects are more apparent even at dosages above the so-called receptor occupancy ceiling. It's not a "I'm high so who cares about my problems" like a full agonist is, but I often remind myself that I'm not as depressed the day or two after a monster dose. This is partially why I've been sticking to 8mg subbed or 4mg plugged/snorted per day. Before I was going to maintain on 4mg sub/2mg plugged, but the antidepressant effects weren't strong enough.

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