/opi/ Opiate Discussion
i inject between 4 and 8mg of hydromorphone multiple times a day. the first shot of the day seems like it's always as intense as the one from the day before--as in, when it comes to the rush i don't really build up a tolerance. i'm kinda tolerant to the drug in terms of the actual high though, cuz i almost never ever nod on it. it would probably take 12, maybe 16mg to pull me into a nod.but last week i started this drug called topamax cuz i am bi-polar (the doctor said it could have an affect on my OCD). it's now my 9th day taking it so it's probably taking full effect. if you've never heard of this drug then know it's like a fucking swiss army knife of a pill. it's used for treating alcoholism (i bought a six-pack last night, drank one, and had absolutely no desire to have anymore), and studies are underway to see if if has use in treating meth, cocaine, benzo addiction. i think f you're in opiate withdrawal it can make you feel well (sort of?). but after reading the following excerpt i wonder if it is killing my rush/high:>Topamax takes a different approach from those treatments. It targets several key sites in the brain to decrease the release of dopamine -- the "feel-good" brain chemical linked to alcohol's rewarding effects, including cravings.whenever i used to give myself a shot of dilaudid the rush would come on quickly and then slowly dissipate. all in all it was maybe, like, a 35-second experience? i'm bad at estimating that kind of stuff, but i do know that since today or yesterday the rush has only lasted about 20 seconds. i tried increasing the dosage and it lasted just a few seconds longer. i have been injecting dilaudid for over a year and the rush has never been weak like this. would the topamax have this kind of effect?i'm not all that upset because hopefully it means that i am on my way to getting clean (ironically dependent on yet another drug), but i find it odd that they give this shit out for migraines because if a migraine patient takes pain medication then the topamax will weaken ittl;dr - i've been taking topamax for about a week and now the rush from a shot of dilaudid is a bit less intense and about a… Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>Topamax takes a different approach from those treatments. It targets several key sites in the brain to decrease the release of dopamine -- the "feel-good" brain chemical linked to alcohol's rewarding effects, including cravings.
OP here, back to repost what it tried to say yesterday. i feel even less of a rush than i reported in the OP, but i managed to get my hands on some BTH and some ECP and both of them had the same rushes and highs that i am used to with their respective drug classes. in fact, the rush with the former was the most intense one i've ever felt with that kind of stuff before.so i guess just fyi or whatever, i dunno if this would help in thinking about my situation, but i've been taking this medicine for about a month now and the dose is 50mg. a couple days after posting this i ran out of dilaudid and had to rely on hydrocodone for about a week and a half. it really sucked to be dry but roughly 2 weeks since running out i got some black tar. i only mention this boring crap because it should tell you that if anything i should have less of a tolerance to the dilaudid (even though "tolerance" isn't really something i've had issues with. 4mg,mainlined, has been enough to keep me happy for nearly a year now.) well i shoot the black tar and it hits me like this guy's black tar always has, and the high is just as good as always. it seems like there aren't any diminished effects from the topamax. fast forward 2-3 days and i get dilaudid for the first time in about 2 weeks. i shoot up about 6mg of dilaudid because i haven't had any in about 2 weeks, which is a very long time for me. i expect the extra 2mg to do a lot more damage but as soon as i feel the rush come on it begins to fade away. i am certain i have not missed because this is what happens with all of my injections of dilaudid doses less than 12mg or so.right, so if i double my dosage up to about that level (of 12), then sure, i get the kind of rush that i know and love, but that is completely unusual for me to have to do. it's clear that the topamax has had an affect on how i feel from these things, but remember that only a few days before i noticed this greatly diminished rush what would be some reasons why i didn't notice any difference in rush with the street dope? and what about how the high underwent the same changes?tl;dr - have been taking topamax for over 5 weeks and it affects INJECTED DILAU… Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
a lot of anti convulsants are like straight jackets for the mind. perhaps the excitement of the mental hydro high is muted but the more physical high of dope isn't effected.when i did bth on depakote the rush was still there but the wellbeing and mental aspects of the high weren't there/i couldnt appreciate them
> but i find it odd that they give this shit out for migraines because if a migraine patient takes pain medication then the topamax will weaken itActually doctors usually don't prescribe opiates for migraines and when they do the medication they prescribe is usually an opiate mixed with a barbiturate and caffeine. Opiates increase intracranial pressure which makes migraines worse. The barbiturates and caffeine negate that effect and allows the opiates to work. Also just because Topamax possibly could lower the feel good effects of opiates by decreasing the amount of dopamine being released, doesn't mean that it lowers the pain killing effects because dopamine isn't responsible for that effect.Also... If your rush is lasting only 35 seconds on your first injection of the day then something is up... I mean the first injection of the day is always the best and strongest because as with all opiates, but with dilaudid in particular, the longer you go between injections, the stronger the rush. This is because you only have so much dopamine to release and it takes a bit of time to build back up to full levels and when you take that first injection it is full but not with subsequential injections. But seriously the rush should last at least 45 seconds at the least for your first injection of the day. Also there are ways of increasing the amount of dopamine that your body has. l-tyrosine which is a vitamin supplement increases dopamine which does decrease the longer you use opiates. There are a few other tricks to increasing dopamine which is very helpful and makes the rush and high from injecting (and other ROA's) much much better.
> but i find it odd that they give this shit out for migraines because if a migraine patient takes pain medication then the topamax will weaken it
>>468899>Also... If your rush is lasting only 35 seconds on your first injection of the day then something is up... I mean the first injection of the day is always the best and strongest because as with all opiates, but with dilaudid in particular, the longer you go between injections, the stronger the rush. This is because you only have so much dopamine to release and it takes a bit of time to build back up to full levels and when you take that first injection it is full but not with subsequential injections. >But seriously the rush should last at least 45 seconds at the least for your first injection of the day. yeah, yeah, i know that's what i've been trying to get at. i am glad you understand what i am saying. my posts are all attributed to different people because i posted the OP nearly 3 weeks ago. by not having one single name it is hard to discern what i'm saying from what someone else is.so, simple question to everyone here, is the rush of hydromorphone caused by dopamine? or is it caused by endorphins? if dopamine, i'd like to hear what kind of tips you have to get your body to produce more of it (although based on what i know about this drug, i could have blood flowing through me that is 50% pure dopamine but if this topamax is still blocking the receptors then i'm shit out of luck, right?the second thing i'd like to *hopefully* *hopefully* *hopefully* get answered is can i use topamax to get clean? if i know i have a chance of using this to get me clean in a month or two then i'll be ok with injecting double doses (just to feel a normal rush again). by clean i mean eventually have no cravings, because i have read (at doses that vary from 50-500mg!!! depending on the situation) leaves people with almost no cravings for cigarettes, alcohol, cocaine, etc. there is hardly any information on treatment for opiate addiction though.
>Also... If your rush is lasting only 35 seconds on your first injection of the day then something is up... I mean the first injection of the day is always the best and strongest because as with all opiates, but with dilaudid in particular, the longer you go between injections, the stronger the rush. This is because you only have so much dopamine to release and it takes a bit of time to build back up to full levels and when you take that first injection it is full but not with subsequential injections.
>But seriously the rush should last at least 45 seconds at the least for your first injection of the day.
well, good news! i last took a dose of the topamax last night and i chose to forgo the one for tonight. the drug's half-life is about 18-22 hours and i last took a dose maybe 36 hours ago. most of the drug should be out of my system by now so i immediately prepped a shot.of 4mg.results: ***wow*** what a difference. i felt the long duration again. i felt the rush ripple down to my legs. the whole thing felt much, much longer than it has felt the past several days. it's not quite what i'm 100% used to, but it's a start. i feel better knowing why things were like that. i refuse to believe that this medicine **only** has effects on the brain's dopamine
Creating my very own BWN while on 20mg of Methadone. So fucking comfy. In between nods, I'm going to write a syllabus for the religion I created last weekend on a powerful psychedelic/dissociative cocktail.
>>468934sorry for the low res.Bumping on hairon+cokain speedballz
>>468937ELIZA DINKINIMAN WAS THE FUCKING HIPSTER! THAT WAS THE FUCKING HIPSTER THAT THOUGHT WE WERE ALL HIPSTERS!
Someone with a lot of classic /opi/ moments screencapped should make a thread. It's the end of 2013, we should have a faggy look-back thread. Like "The last 5 years in junkie bullshit" type shit. nb
>>468941I wish I had more, but on my laptop I have soooo much /opi/ porn from loads of different people. If I had known I'd be around here as long as I have I'd have kept more screenshots. >>468865thanks man, that'd be dope. Obviously same to you, though I doubt any sane person would ever come visit the midwest of the US without a serious, pressing need to be there.
Bump, I've been going pretty hard at it for a while now, just maintaining on heroin and morphine for the last 3 or so weeks. I'm a lot more physically addicted now, I used to have gradual warm after-glows and no need for more, but now when the opiates are out of me my body definitely lets me know in more ways than one and begs for more. When I don't take an evening shot, I wake up restless with cold sweats and having to piss every 5 minutes, and the inevitable shits.but anyway enough of that, i'm high. still got more morphine and picking up some aa and more morph tomorrow aswell. good night /opi/
Got about a pound of bulk seeds in a mason jar with room temperature water. I have zero tolerance. Should I just drink 1/4th just to be safe? They were bluish black.
Nobody cares but fuck PST. As soon as I stopped looking for the high the placebo went away and im left with beers to guzzle down. if I get the right seeds....how does it compare to oxys or dope?
>>468700longer lasting than either
>>468701now that's therapy ;)
Hello I need some advice!my friend (female) weighs 120 lbsI weigh (male) 160 lbswe have a good batch of poppy seeds to make teaIm thinking for her we use 1.3lbs of poppy seeds and for me 1.5 ?we both have no tolerance so how much is good for us? thanks
>>468935I just recently got a great batch of seeds, I'm 130pounds, my tolerance was pretty much zero at the time and I was pretty damn good off of 300grams.My opinion if your using that much would be just do it up and drink half of your liquid, wait a bit then down the other half.
So I have someone over that I never met before. He was shooting dope at my place since he skipped out of detox 2 days ago. It's almost in the negatives so I offered hi to spend the night. He fucking overdosed...I've been clean for 2 years now. I've never seen a real overdose. He stopped breathing so I had to smack him for 20minutes straight. Luckily I still have suboxone and put 12mg under/on his tongue and held it. I fuckig saved his life and....best part....I HAVE IT ON VIDEO. I feel like a piece of shit but he's on the couch right now sleeping. I'll post it in 5 hours.
>>468849J... You should have read my post carefully because I even listed another opiate antagonist (naltrexone) in my post so ofcourse I know that... But what I was saying was there was no opiate antagonists that have a higher binding affinity than bupe and if they dont have a higher binding affinity than they aren't going to keep the bupe off the receptors.... Also its not how strong the drug is (like active in the mcg range instead of the mg range) although that does play a part in your treatment once you get to the hospital... Paramedics dont carry the things that will save your life in a bupe OD except some do carry a respiratory machine and that ofcourse will save your life if you haven't gone past something like 5 mins or so without breathing. methylnaltrexone (Relistor) is a different version of naltrexone... It does send you into short lived but very powerful PWS. Dont tell me that my drug which I am prescribed and can prove any time. Unless you personally have used it dont tell me its bull shit. It does work for overdoses as I have had to have it used on myself and use it on 2 others. You feel like shit for 45-60 minutes after using it and its withdrawals are so bad they almost make you want to kill yourself until it wears off...
>>468919Yeah, it was pretty funny for a while lol.>>468920Lol it was more of a joke than anything but yeah. And like I said, sure there is. Diprenorphine is meant to antagonize high-potency/high-binding affinity opiates, so in theory it would work perfectly well. The only problem is getting ahold of some rofl. But like I said, in practice, you're correct. If you OD on bupe you're probably fucked. But there IS an antagonist out there strong enough to knock it off the receptors, it's just not used in practice. That was my point (because you made it sound like one didn't exist at all, not that they didn't use it). Also, you wrote:>naltrexone (relistor)As if you were implying they were the same thing lol, which they totally aren't. That'd be like me saying "Heroin (morphine)." as just because they're structurally similar doesn't mean they're the same or that they even act in the same manner. The primary difference is that one (Naltrexone) acts centrally as a weak antagonist, whereas the other (methlynaltrexone) acts peripherally as a weak antagonist. Methylnaltrexone (Relistor) won't reverse an OD because it's known to not pass the BBB, hence why it's prescribed for opiate constipation in the first place. If it had any centrally acting antagonism, it wouldn't even work for that purpose (as co-administration of opiate agonists and it wouldn't work too well.) And Naltrexone won't necessarily reverse an OD either. I DO personally have experience with that, and the fact remains that it's such a weak antagonist that it simply can't compare with Naloxone as an overdose drug. "Using naltrexone in place of naloxone in an overdose can lead to insufficient opioid antagonism and fail to reverse the overdose." Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>468730OP, post the video. Seriously, please post it. You could be helping others by posting it. And you say this guy skipped out on rehab and OD's two days later? You might be saving his life by posting the video even more so than you did by sub-a-dub-dub'ing him up. Post the link in this thread asap.
>>468879>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.OMFG OMFG OMFG I FORGOT ALL ABOUT THIS!!!! DOES ANYONE HAVE A SCREEN CAP OF THE ORIGINAL POST THIS CAME FROM?Damn I love /opi/
>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.>Next time, just stick ice in his ass and pussy.
>>468933I used to but I lost it when my last laptop's HDD gave out. If anyone has it they should totally post it. Funny shit lol.
anybody ever plug morphine? i just plugged 30mg and i feels good man
Thanks for the info. Probably should have just put this in the BWN instead of making a thread.
NbAs gay as it sounds, plugging morphine is one of my favorite ways to do opi's. You may not believe me but the high it gives me is exactly what I'm chasing most the time. Very soothing on my muscles and warm all around. It's a shame I can't find morphine but like once a month.
Hmmmph. I just thought that I should note those specific MS-Contin's are actually One of the most frequent specific Drug of ANY sort to make the ole' backwards Trip up the "Rear River".Nothing else to Post other than that...I don't guess! No BIG Point to be made! >Nb. <3
>>468835How does one know how much to plug? Everything I've seen on the interwebs has been inconsistent
>>468931on average its around the same as an oral dose, maybe a little less if you do a really good job of cleaning yourself out and you know rectal administration works extremely well for you in the past.
I have a seriously high tolerance to hydrcodone, I can take 200 mg at once and be straight. I'm trying to get off em and my doctor gave me 15mg morphine pills. I've only taken them a couple times before and nothing like I do the hydros. But I took my last of my lortabs so any idea how many morphine I'd have to take to keep withdrawals at bay?
Where would one obtain acetic anhydride though? It appears to be illegal in most countries... not asking for sources just a rhetorical question.
>>468895chemistry sets IIRC
>>468846Yeah dude you must be doing something really wrong. Did you follow the guide on taimapedia? give me an outline of your process
>>468924Yeah I did. Here's a picture of the end product of one of my cooks from way back when. It was the first time I tried pegging out the morphine. I ended up dissolving the whole thing in water though, and didn't do it all in one go, so I'm sure a bunch of it turned back into morphine.Basically, I crush the beads up with a mortar and pestle, then add a tiny bit of water and baking soda. I make sure it's spread out evenly across the spoon, then dry it over the stove. Once it's completely dry, I add the AA with a syringe, then cover it up with foil and put it in the oven for 10-15 minutes at 150c. Comes out smelling like cooked cotton candy. I add water and citric, draw it up, filter it through a 0.22um wheel filter and bang away.
>>468930What type of pills do you get? You said you crush up the beads, do you get M-eslons? I get them often but have actually only done one cook with them ages ago, since it's general consensus here that the MS-contins are much better for cooking, and it came out quite different to what i was used to.Your process sounds actually pretty good to me, it's what I do pretty much. And the picture looks pretty good imo, mine come out lighter than that but it could be due to different pills. So is the problem that it's just not very strong? How much did you do in a shot roughly?And it sounds like you've done cooks without pegging the morphine out, did they turn out similar results?Did any of your cooks come out still smelling strongly of AA? I've never had any come out smelling sweet. Quite the opposite. Theres only 2 other things i could think of, maybe you are over cooking it, or maybe your AA isn't truly AA? Does it have a very intense burning smell? Even when my cooks come out of the oven after 10 minutes, when I smell it then the fumes are enough to make me have to run for fresh air, and when adding the AA to the dried morphine base if I have my head above it the fumes almost blind my eyes temporarily it's that bad.
Holy fucking score opi check it out. All for free ;) problem is ive never done dilaudid. What's a good starter dose?
>>468916Damn I just saw you said you got them for free! Damn dude! That is awesome you got them for free! 2mg is a perfect starting injection for those without a tolerance. Some need/can do 4mg but most people are good on 1-2mg. Congrats on the cool pickup and sorry I didnt read your post carefully enough for that to register. NB
>>468909DA FUUUUUCK?! You makin me drip pre cum in ma trousas foo!
Those look like they're just 1ml ampoules, is that correct? Still an awesome score dude, i'd love to try it someday, and will.
>>468916Looks like it says 1mg/ml as well as 1ml Carpuject. I don't see 2mg anywhere.
>>468928Definitely 1mg/ml and they are definitely 1ml each. I looked up the number below the barcode, 128331, which brings up this (see pic). Actual number for easier searching is 0409-1283-31.
I took 15mg methadone hcl last night. Is it safe to drink alcohol today? Thanks in advance
>>468906Yes, google plz nb
So it's okay? Just making sure
>>468910i wouldnt too shitfaced but youre prolly good take it slow
sup opi i have a question which i couldnt find an answer too, is it safe for me to take 300 - 400mg ish of tramadol 2 days after an LSD experience without risk of serotonin syndrome?
>>468759Its because they both do something with seratonin, i guess i'll just go for it
>>468755>Umm, I believe the rule of thumb for tram is never dose over 200mg at a time so to avoid seizures and stuff.This is not true. And if it turns out to be true, it's stupid. Never take more than 400mg at a time though.
>Umm, I believe the rule of thumb for tram is never dose over 200mg at a time so to avoid seizures and stuff.
I have Wellbutrin 300mg that i take for my OCD and ADD and one day i took 500mg of Tramadol, but it did nothing for me. Does Bupropion reduce tramadols effect or what? Codein still works when i'm on Wellbutrin.
>>468761I saw on erowid I believe it said over 300mg doses in an non tolerant individual could be potentially harmful, and I read that around >200-250, you don't get too much higher, anyone care to refute?
Hey guys and gals. (TL;DR: Any ideas, advice, videos or other visual references to hitting yourself in your feet, femoral, jugular, or another "unusual" spot?)So, my hands and arms are pretty much shot to death (literally). Before you ask, I have used 29g 1/2 inch 1ml insulin syringes my entire run of IV heroin use, which has been about a year (I think). I never IV anything else except a morphine pill I found under the couch once.At first I used the veins in my hands. It seems like a lot of the challenge is staying warm. I no longer can afford my own place and, long story short, it's cold where I am a lot. I do push ups (as many as someone with the upper body strength of a t rex can do, anyway), and run my hands and arms under hot water for a few minutes while I am washing before injection. It still proves difficult, and, this morning, I had two shots (luckily they were just cotton shots) congeal because I couldn't hit myself. I usually do the back of my hands, but I can't find any easy veins and the easier ones have collapsed. The veins in the crook of my arm, what Grey's tells me are probably my cephalic veins, have, on both sides, become unusable. I can still feel them, but it might just be scar tissue from the hundreds of pokes I've given them over the months.The veins on the bottom of my arm and in my wrist are tempting, but my friends and I refer to them as "exploder" veins, as they usually blow up and ruin the shot within a few tries, if not the first, and make you wanna cry out in pain, which is no good if you're hiding your use.I have tried my feet. I HAVE veins that actually STICK UP in my feet. But I can't register! It fuckin' hurts! Any tips on what I'm doing wrong? I feel like I also don't get much circulation down below, and that the rush might suck.My Grey's book tells me that there's a juicy vein in my neck, the jugular, and that I can also shoot blindly into my femoral, but I don't know any other junkies that do this (well, that I would TRUST to help me with and not run off with the syringe). I'm also TERRIFIED of the gigantic arteries outlined in red and that I can feel pulsing right next to t… Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>468493>hospitals even use 21g for IVAre you serious? Because that's nuts, they seem smaller tbh. I've been having such trouble with this 22g. It seems like after using it for so long now, that after a bit of use my veins just sort of give out and I can't register anymore without a few days, or more, of rest. It's not exactly ideal for regular use. Sucks lol.. I still haven't figured out how to work this one out without getting some smaller rigs.
>hospitals even use 21g for IV
>>468533Yeah, you know those light blue butterflies with a needle inside a soft plastic tube from BD? Those are 21g, stole a couple from the hospital some time ago.
A 'wrist roller' might pump your forearms up. Other then that i can't help, iv is fucking difficult i have only done it once.
hey OP i'm not in as bad a shape as you are but i've been in those situations where you need to fix and you just keep jabbing your arm with the needle. it has more blood in it than it does drugs by the time you actually find one, and then once you do, you start to press the plunger down and the blood has begun to clot or something and it's all been a waste of time. registering a vein is such a treat to me these days because i too have exhausted many of them. once the ones at my elbow collapsed i moved up to the ones on the bicep. those were nice because it really concealed my use. then after a few months of that before they went kaput i managed to see that one around my elbow was still working. it didn't take long before a couple of missed shots left me with a rock hard abcess where i used to shoot up, so even if there was a vein i couldn't do it. what i've done now is quite simple actually. due to some personal resolutions i've managed to lose some weight, and as a bonus i see more of my veins under my skin than i ever did before. one day in class i noticed how fat the vein around the underside of your thumbs is. turns out it's the cephilac vein (ol reliable!!!). have you tried this site yet? i have been very careful to rotate sites, to never miss shots, and to never go through with an injection if i think i've pierced through the other side of the vein but pulled it back in (that leaves you with smaller but still inconvenient abcesses). i try to put a heating pad on the site a few times a day to get blood flowing. maybe it's because i'm so used to having to spend 20 minutes searching for my mainline, but i'm really happy with this site, even if it's visible in plain sight. also, maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's the first time that i've bothered to adhere to vein hygeine/vein maintenance. whatever, see if you can register there!
>>468533Yeah when they put IV caths they'll use in that range, 20 was common for me, got an 18 once, fuck that noise. Only once, obviously.
Can you try opiates without getting addicted? Propaganda brainwashed mind?
>>468845i think the biggest problem with chipping like that is that eventually your tolerance still gets ridiculous and that even tho you hardly use, your brain is always being opiated and then returns to normal and before brain knows, its opiated again. reminds me of tedious climb out of hole only to jump into another...until you walk away from all the holes or you decide to stay down there for some time.i used to chip like that but now it's not worth it, i'd rather binge for a few weeks and then sober up for a few months although i've come to terms with the fact i might end up a dope feen so whatopiates are benign in the fact a bunch of high schoolers can innocently go through a few bottles of vics and percs and then not really understand opiate addiction or craving and never have to seek more but they still got some of the early mind expanding effects of opiates. that is like the best chipping. ignorance is usually blissthen again everyone has different lives and bodies and different stuff works different 4 everyone
i think if one's life hits rock bottom, there is almost no reason not to fuck with opiates
You can take opiates like codone and not get addicted, but all of them are very highly addictive so tread lightly. But if you get into the more potent stuff like oxy and heroin there's a pretty slim chance that you won't get addicted. Its not propaganda. All opiates are highly addictive. Over time they alter your brain chemistry dramatically. Not knocking it necessarily, but people with addictive personalities should proceed with extreme caution. Especially the way that your tolerance goes up quickly makes it dangerous to people who have a disposition to addiction. I love it, but I can't deny that I'm addicted to opiates. So, in a word. Opiates are the best drugs in the world and make you feel amazing like nothing else, which is what makes them dangerous. keyword CAUTION
I'm completely addicted to heroin, but i couldn't say if i would go back and never try it, because it is an amazing drug. After the first time i did it i never bought any other drug because that wasn't what i wanted. I've been through withdrawals and rehab and have had many negative impacts on my life because of addiction, because of heroin, but i still love it. And from experience i don't know anyone who has tried it and didn't get addicted. Nobody lies about what heroin and opiates can and has done to many people, but that doesn't mean it happens to everyone, just most people who start doing heavier versions often.
But regardless of opinion on the matter, using opiates often over time changes your brain chemistry. Rearranging the connections between neurons, making you more susceptible to becoming addicted. To what degree depends on the person, usage and drug of choice. I'm not trying to persuade you one way or the other, I'm just giving you my experience and facts about it, because it could be an occasional great time, but on the other side of that coin it could very well be life and death. that's not an exaggeration. Most people think it couldn't be them, but what opiates CAN do to your brain is extreme. And thats an understatement. I'm only so serious because I've seen what addiction CAN do to people, and it CAN completely change people and even their whole system of what they value and care about.
how many 8mg codeine/500mg paracetamol mix pills do i need with a stiff drink to get a good buzz going?
>>468814Most people can feel effects from way less than 150mg of codeine if they have no tolerancehalf that dose would have very noticeable effects for most people Id wager
>>468817He'd still have to take over 4g of paracetamol to get there though, there's not really any way to avoid a CWE with 8/500 codeine unless you're a 4 foot anorexic. You also have to bear in mind that equipment error (and often human error) can significantly reduce yield, so it's always best to assume you're getting less than you put in when doing CWE's in large amounts.You probably have packs of 32, so go with 16, if it doesn't work go with 24, for the sake of keeping organised.
>>468817i have a low tolerance to opiates, took 4 15mg today without a CWE and got a buzzish feeling. like smoking some weed, i guess. id say even better than smoking weed because its not making me anxious while still helping with pain (somewhat). codeines never been something i could get a nod off, if thats what you're going for, compared to other opiates. im not too bulky and short, so i guess thats why.id just stick to the alcohol only and if you get a stronger opiate, take without the alcohol.
>>468862> 60mg codeine = buzzTopKek I cant feel anything under 150mg
> 60mg codeine = buzz
>>468867yea i know. when i had a tolerance, taking 4 of the 30mg codeine didn't do anything but was when i had a medium opiate tolerance. 75mg i can feel something and it isnt a placebo, cwe i must be stuffing up. nothing like a full opiate euphoria/just before nodding feeling, just a relaxed feeling that feels alright. pain wise it doesnt do much but take my mind off it abit.
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