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PST/PPT General 6.66 by Panda5 - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 14:55:37 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.582573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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For all your "drinks made with natural opium" discussion!
>"Yeah; science!" edition.

Reviewing a seed bag? Try to include info such as:
® Brand (use initials or slang)
® Source (use slang)
® Expiration date
® Seed smell & appearance
® Wash darkness, color, opacity, and taste (the ratio of water-to-seed used will effect these)
® Your tolerance
® Your judgement of potency
® Any potentiators or other drugs you're on
® Maybe a pic of the wash, preferably showing seed-to-water ratio

*** Please do not blatantly post on source websites any reviews mentioning or showing pictures of what you do with seeds. Reviews on supplier sites are encouraged but please say you're making pastries or casseroles.
Panda5 - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 15:26:37 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.582574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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My name is Panda5; I live at 308 Planet Earth, Milky Way Galaxy.
This is my review:

»» WGN 4#
»» Sent downriver in a floating basket, though my gal told me (using smoke signals) that she's now out for a few days.
»» Exp. 7/18
»» Seeds smell earthy, lots of brownish / dark blue ones - no prematures or white / red filler ones. Also plenty of crown chunks mixed in.
»» Wash is nice and orange, taste is what it should be
»» I've used pst/ppt somewhere 1-2k times in the last 8 years. That said, I've only had one bag in the last 2 months.
»» I took 40mg adderall, 50mg diphenhydramine, 180mg fexofenadine, and 200mg cimetidine within 90 mjnutes before drinking my tea.

I drank pic related about 80 minutes ago on an empty stomach - I'm already feeling waves of sedation and some itches.
>»» Rating:........ 8/10

I'm happily surprised - I've never been a wgn fan before this and had only gotten 1 good bag out of 6 I had ordered from them previously. <3
Hunter S. Nodson - Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:40:05 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
idk where to post this but this seems appropriate:

so I ended up finding some really good seeds at this european market, $3/lb. Poppy and crown chunks all throughout. Anyways, I wanted to try and reduce down PST into something snortable or smokable so I went ahead and did a wash with extremely cold water (around 30 degrees F) shook for a few minutes and filtered through a 1 micron filter. Liquid was milky as fuck with a slightly orange tinge, not as much as the pic above this though. Put it in the oven at 275 for around 30 minutes until fully evaporated and went ahead and scraped it up, expecting to get a tarry/resiny substance. Nope. Shit comes out as a light tan powder (looks like h honestly) and smokes on foil pretty decently and get this..

IM HIGH AS FUCK. How the fuck? Everyone says its not worth it or its not worth smoking etc etc. I had about .4-.5 of it off of foil and I am feeling warm as fuck and euphoric. And to eliminate placebo I had my boy do some as well and we're both high as shit from it. Did I get some weirdly good seeds or is everyone doing something wrong?

If anyones actually curious I'll post a tek on how to do it.
Emma Trotbury - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 02:18:18 EST ID:9h1aSl2E No.582580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please do
Matilda Gebberkitch - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:20:32 EST ID:UvWm596q No.582603 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I'd like to see a tek. I've thought about doing a morphine extraction on a whole bag of poppy seeds when/if they ever get crazy potent like they did last year. I bet you could get at least a gram of morphine from 1 really potent 5lb bag. And going from morphine to hydromorphone is ridiculously simple, assuming you can get a suitable catalyst.
Hunter S. Nodson - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:09:33 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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you got it! If you get potent seeds it is definitely worth it, the ones I found at this market are fucking awesome and the funniest part is the dude was like "are you the one who called for poppy seeds?" and I said sheepishly "yeah.." then he goes "well we have 10lb bags for $20 if you want". He knew what was up lol.

And a gram of morphine from 5lb is a little optimistic honestly, you'd probably be lucky to get 300-400 mg of morphine from that amount as morphine content is usually around 10% or up to 14-15% at the highest. Hmmm, the morphine > HM sounds really interesting though, I definitely want to look into that.

Pic related, top is the wash with cold water on a 1/2 lb of seeds. Bottom is the result of filtering through a micron and drying in the oven. Gives a very hygroscopic tan powder. But I will post a tek in the next couple days once I tweak it around and get it down to something a little more pure. It smokes off foil, but not as well as it should as theres too many fats and waxes but it still works pretty well. I was so fucking high last night it was ridiculous, haven't nodded like that in a while.
Matilda Gebberkitch - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:31:47 EST ID:UvWm596q No.582608 Ignore Report Quick Reply

There's lots of books online that cover converting morphine to hydromorphone and codeine to hydrocodone, though they are pretty involved. Industrially they use hydrogenators(which would be the most efficient) but the books and patents I've read over only require a reflux apparatus. You'll need some basic glassware and a reflux apparatus, and some chemistry knowledge, a bit more advanced than high school chemistry. It would be best to have actual lab stuff like beakers and graduated cylinders, but you could probably do fine with just kitchen glass, a hotplate and the reflux apparatus.

IIRC if you're using less-than-ideal catalysts like nickel, yield is around 60 - 70%, but that's a 1:1 conversion. So 100mg of morphine would get you 60 - 70mg of hydromorphone. Not something the average person could do, but it's definitely possible. Maybe just a pipe dream for the kitchen chemist...
Doris Blythefield - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:50:38 EST ID:DM87nbIw No.582615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what is the best online source for the dirtiest poppy seeds? like ones with chunks of pod still in them and everything. I live in a very small town with no means of transportation and so can't get to a store that sells organic poppy seeds, only name brand, overpriced, triple washed shit

are there any on amazon? most of the reviews even for the ones specifically labeled "unwashed" say that they're washed now, presumably because retards went on and wrote reviews like "duuuude these check out, they make the BEST poppy seed tea hands down get these duude I was noding like crazy!!! 5/5" and so the manufacturers were forced to wash them
Doris Blythefield - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:52:06 EST ID:DM87nbIw No.582616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
shit I'm way too high and I just realized this probably counts as sourcing even though they're legal, mods don't ban me if that's against the rules just delete the post please honest mistake thanks
Barnaby Bemmerbanks - Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:13:51 EST ID:IHnbHQM6 No.582618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the fuck u doin?
Barnaby Bemmerbanks - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:30:28 EST ID:IHnbHQM6 No.582626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"duuuude these check out, they make the BEST poppy seed tea hands down get these duude I was noding like crazy!!! 5/5" and so the manufacturers were forced to wash them

le redditors fucked it for all of us.

Re: your question, WGN-E is supposed to be decent right now I think... idk. I will review come monday.
Dr. Mario - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:52:54 EST ID:3KQ5mUUJ No.582627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you want guaranteed 4/10 or better with 6.5/10 average, get TNT seeds.

Please don't say Amazing -on, it's not good and will link us to the river on google searches.

I just had the best seeds I've seen since January or so, just 2 weeks ago. They were 5.5lb SN from river ~6.75/10.

Guess what? The following 5.5lb river SN was 1.75/10 or so. Then my6lb river wgn-E is below a 3 for sure. If I double stack the seeds, the 2.75/10 tastes and feels like a ~4/10.

Problem is TNT costs $10-15/lb and WGN costs $3-4.50/lb, whilst SN costs $4-6/lb.

Ever since the DEA/Canadian crackdown on pods on EBay etc., pods cost 5-10x of that they used to, so don't expect to find seeds full of them with any consistency.

Actually, in the last 8 months or so, more pod parts has almost always meant weak seeds that the pod parts can't make up for.

I miss the dank shit. Seeds are so weak that they're often 1/4 as strong as last spring.
Dr. Mario - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:54:06 EST ID:GXQNGxXb No.582628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you want guaranteed 4/10 or better with 6.5/10 average, get TNT seeds.

Please don't say Amazing -on, it's not good and will link us to the river on google searches.

I just had the best seeds I've seen since January or so, just 2 weeks ago. They were 5.5lb SN from river ~6.75/10.

Guess what? The following 5.5lb river SN was 1.75/10 or so. Then my6lb river wgn-E is below a 3 for sure. If I double stack the seeds, the 2.75/10 tastes and feels like a ~4/10.

Problem is TNT costs $10-15/lb and WGN costs $3-4.50/lb, whilst SN costs $4-6/lb.

Ever since the DEA/Canadian crackdown on pods on EBay etc., pods cost 5-10x of that they used to, so don't expect to find seeds full of them with any consistency.

Actually, in the last 8 months or so, more pod parts has almost always meant weak seeds that the pod parts can't make up for.

I miss the dank shit. Seeds are so weak that they're often 1/4 as strong as last spring.
MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 01:27:41 EST ID:BS/cHLAG No.582630 Ignore Report Quick Reply

If you want guaranteed 4/10 or better with 6.5/10 average, get TNT seeds.

Please don't say Amazing -on, it's not good and will link us to the river on google searches.

I just had the best seeds I've seen since January or so, just 2 weeks ago. They were 5.5lb SN from river ~6.75/10.

Guess what? The following 5.5lb river SN was 1.75/10 or so. Then my6lb river wgn-E is below a 3 for sure. If I double stack the seeds, the 2.75/10 tastes and feels like a ~4/10.

Problem is TNT costs $10-15/lb and WGN costs $3-4.50/lb, whilst SN costs $4-6/lb.

Ever since the DEA/Canadian crackdown on pods on EBay etc., pods cost 5-10x of that they used to, so don't expect to find seeds full of them with any consistency.

Actually, in the last 8 months or so, more pod parts has almost always meant weak seeds that the pod parts can't make up for.

I miss the dank shit. Seeds are so weak that they're often 1/4 as strong as last spring." - Dr. Mario
Simon Femmerpork - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 05:10:05 EST ID:UvWm596q No.582634 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I'll also pitch in for TNT. Twice as expensive as the other 3 brands but they actually keep you well and not depressed, and the actual high is better and more sedating. They're also more consistent than the other three, sold specifically for getting high, and shithead ledditors probably don't know about him. They're expensive though, and TNT has been known to do shady things like leave bad reviews on the river for the other brands. But if you're dopesick and you absolutely need to get well and you can't afford to gamble on getting a good/bad bag, TNT is definitely your best bet.

If you're a new user then go with WGN, or any of the big 3 really. They're by no means bunk, and will get a new user really high for sure if you make enough. When most of us in these threads say a bag is bunk, it's because we're physically dependent on seeds and if the ratios between cost effectiveness, potency, and subjective effects aren't favorable then they really aren't worth it. If you're not a new user then the rules change a bit. If you're a new user and you see somebody on here rate seeds 2/10, they'll get you really high. If you're a new user and you see somebody on here rate seeds 7 - 9/10, and you buy those and make the same amount you did with the 2/10 seeds, you're probably going to die.
Doris Blythefield - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 09:56:55 EST ID:DM87nbIw No.582638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ok well thanks for all the advice guys, I pulled the plug on the some I found amazon. Went for the cheapest I could find that still looked good from reviews, since I think you're right that mostly anything will work for me. I don't have a huge opiate tolerance yet, I'm still in the honeymoon phase of my habit where I have enough tolerance not to die easily but also don't really get sick without and don't need to shoot up/do massive amounts. Did various prescription painkillers once or twice a week for the past year now but lost my source recently and have been missing it hard. Been going for kratom which works surprisingly well but I've already fucked my tolerance for raw leaf at this point and I've already moved onto full-spectrum extractions which work amazingly well but I've heard they don't work for long unless you do tolerance breaks. I'd like to alternate kratom/PST maybe forever really, I figure if I don't increase the amount of sessions I could stretch out this period indefinitely, but that's probably naive. Ultimately when I move somewhere secluded like I'd like I'll probably just grow my own poppy fields. Wonder how hard it is to get a hold of the seeds they use to plant the plants they make drugs with if you dig around?
Aciddrop !tbcTsdGo8Q!!vVWR8L52 - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:33:53 EST ID:BGt2f3aU No.582639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Goddamn it do not say Amazonon you fucking idiot. Goddamn. This website really is going to shit. Fuck people. Everyone is stupid as fuck.
Doris Blythefield - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:52:58 EST ID:DM87nbIw No.582640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
man I thought I misspelled it idk what happened, at least I didn't mention the brand right?
Doris Blythefield - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:56:01 EST ID:DM87nbIw No.582641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also I take offense at "going" to shit, I've been making this website shit for years
Ernest Drappershaw - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:22:49 EST ID:AScftNbF No.582643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Sent downriver in a floating basket, though my gal told me (using smoke signals) that she's now out for a few days.

You sound like a retard


PROTIP: Getting high off poppyseeds bought from Amazon isn't some top secret classified shit, you aren't in a secret club, you can't hide the fact they're used for getting high and you haven't needed nor been able to for a long time now. I swear people who do PST are the biggest bunch of bitches, you wern't complaining when you found out about it, but now you know you want everyone else to shut up about it

WGN = wegotnuts

TNT = thenoddingturtle

SN = seriously nuts

You can find them all on amazon, but they have their own sites too
Ernest Drappershaw - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:27:50 EST ID:AScftNbF No.582644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'd like to alternate kratom/PST maybe forever really, I figure if I don't increase the amount of sessions I could stretch out this period indefinitely, but that's probably naive.
Very naive, as in, it won't work, ever.

>Ultimately when I move somewhere secluded like I'd like I'll probably just grow my own poppy fields. Wonder how hard it is to get a hold of the seeds they use to plant the plants they make drugs with if you dig around?

To keep you in a regular supply you would need an acre, maybe more. PROTIP, those seeds you make the tea with, you can plant them and they'll grow, the3y are opium poppy seeds, thats why you get high, from the residual opium from the capsule on em

Assuming you live in the USA, you start growing acres of poppies and you'll get fucked by the DEA hard

You sound like an idiot
MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:31:11 EST ID:BS/cHLAG No.582645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Talking about it with no discretion is a terrific way to expedite the something being done about it.
I dont even care, I dont use poppy seeds but I can recognize what is and isnt a good idea.
He cares because it directly impacts him... And anyone else who had to deal with "ornamental" pods being banned.

Everyone knows we use dope but we're not posting specific locations or vendor names.
Aside from all of that dumb shit its against the board rules.

Doris Blythefield - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:20:15 EST ID:DM87nbIw No.582652 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>you sound dumb

I am. What you gonna do?
Simon Femmerpork - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:11:59 EST ID:UvWm596q No.582657 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Why do you gotta be such a cunt m8, it's people like you that get darknet markets and clearnet vendors eventually shut down
Nell Begglefuck - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:33:56 EST ID:23ewvkMM No.582660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Aside from all of that dumb shit its against the board rules.

dude... Irrespective of whether or not people think they're in a secret club or whatever... It's against the rules to speak explicitly about vendors or sources. Period.
Ernest Drappershaw - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:44:57 EST ID:AScftNbF No.582661 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>it's people like you that get darknet markets and clearnet vendors eventually shut down

No it isn't. It's protracted law enforcement investigations, exit scams or hackers that get Darknets markets shut down, not discussion or mainstream use of them. In fact DNMs only prosper when lots of people use them. Keeping them secret defeats the point of them, no decent vendor is gonna stick around if they get 5 sales a week. Plus as a market gets more popular, others will want to setup markets of their own. Supply and demand nigga

As for clearnet sites, with sites like pharmacyreviewers boards they aren't secrets and many have operated for years. Law enforcement fine well know about them, but rarely have the time, resources, skill, desire or jurisdiction to do so
Aciddrop !tbcTsdGo8Q!!vVWR8L52 - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 15:11:01 EST ID:f1Wse6qZ No.582664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ok, can we go ahead and get a ban on this dick weed quetz? Sourcing isnt allowed here faggot. Tips are. Read the goddamn rules. Bye bye.
Phoebe Blollerfield - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:19:14 EST ID:KHARyJvV No.582665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes!! and while youre at it pllz ban everyone who posted in the last 5 pst threads
Doris Blythefield - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:24:48 EST ID:DM87nbIw No.582668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this, ban everyone who posts on /opi/
MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:35:25 EST ID:uU5XxFMC No.582669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Qeutz included?

Hunter S. Nodson - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:00:33 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes, ban everyone and only allow newcomers from leddit and then we can implement a system to vote on threads and posts. I think we can do something like "upvote" and "downvote"?

i am calling it the opi revolution: rebirth. this will only increase the integrity of the board. whos with me dawg???
Aciddrop !tbcTsdGo8Q!!vVWR8L52 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 00:00:58 EST ID:BGt2f3aU No.582686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck you guys. You know direct sourcing is against the rules. Fuck I should be a mod. Too many assholes getting by with stupid shit. Maybe we should all just post our sources for everything.... Would that be better??? Faggots.
Aciddrop !tbcTsdGo8Q!!vVWR8L52 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 00:03:39 EST ID:BGt2f3aU No.582687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Might as well you already act like a goddamn moderator half the time. " Oh don't post that there, there is a thread for that" " post in the bump when nod" get off ur damn high horse.
Panda5 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 00:04:53 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.582688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>You sound like a retard

Well you sound like someone who takes shit too seriously / can't take a joke / spreads bad vibes. Chill out, dawg.
Aciddrop !tbcTsdGo8Q!!vVWR8L52 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 00:16:55 EST ID:BGt2f3aU No.582690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In fact this is partially why I barely post anymore you always have something to say about everything.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 06:34:18 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ok guys i have one vendor im willing to share with you that i KNOW has excellent seeds at very reasonable prices. This is one of 2 vendors names ive never given up that have always done me right neither sell on amazon so its gonna take you some searching if you want it. So heres your clue, blue average. if anybody can find who im talking about good job enjoy your 9-10/10 seeds. ive just been disgusted by the seed market with all the price gouging of far below standard quality seeds that have been heavily handled and stored too long. These guys are in the US and are fucking legit the seeds come from an unnamed source and are fresh and completely untouched. if you do find them id advise you to seriously splurge and just buy the 50 pound bag (yes these guys still do that for a fair price).
Clara Nickleforth - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 06:51:27 EST ID:lLPY64hC No.582707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm glad someone said it, this trend of very obvious code words for very obvious things is the most obnoxious shit in these threads and has gotten substantially worse with this new wave of tripfags. Literally everybody who gets into poppy seeds checks Amazon within the first 5 minutes, referring to it as "the river" and other bull does shit all when it's the very first result when you Google "buy poppy seeds." Talking in code does nothing but make you sound stupid. This isn't bluelight. I'd rather save my fellow addicts the time and money it takes to find out what sources are good at any given time then act like I'm maintaining a level of discretion that's already been fully compromised by the aforementioned retards in the Amazon comments going "10/10 seeds, great morphine content, got high as fuck"

Additionally, for the 37th time, naming brands of a completely legal product which you can find for purchase online with a very basic Google search is ~not~ sourcing. The admins have confirmed this in multiple threads before. We're not meeting up to buy black tar, we're getting two day shipping with Prime.
MDCB !txtI0IGNgk!!VyqqkppB - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 07:38:57 EST ID:zkGNRjVm No.582709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, but referring to the websites and vendors directly or requesting so, IS sourcing.

Charlotte Pindlebone - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 16:27:20 EST ID:AScftNbF No.582717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> Fuck I should be a mod. Too many assholes getting by with stupid shit. Maybe we should all just post our sources for everything.... Would that be better??? Faggots.

Get over yourself. You're the only one acting a sperg. The mods have said this shit ISNT sourcing, so quit crying

Fuck Memmernedging - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 16:37:12 EST ID:3EZZT1Nv No.582718 Ignore Report Quick Reply

can we have another clue, blue average doesn't help much when every vendor online sells "blue" poppy seeds and average is a very common word. can we get the price of the 50lb bag or something to at least let us know if a vendor is the right one?
Morphonaut - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 17:59:30 EST ID:682My6r7 No.582726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hello nu-poppy crowd. I was a pretty dedicated poster here years back. I'd say 2009-2011. I used to be a loyal IV heroin user but as a backup to dope I would always keep a healthy stash of pods. I see you have a tea thread going here and it deals primarily with seeds. Is the pod game dead? Or have we found a way to make seeds more worth it? I've been out of the opi loop for a while but any true addict knows you can quit as long as you want, it never quits you. I know not to ask for sources or whatever, but I'm just wondering what happened to grinding up pods?
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 17:59:39 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
im extremely reluctant to do that as i DO NOT WANT ANY FUCKERS TO RUIN THIS VENDOR. These guys are legit and my last best source and have never even once fucked me. On the other hand though i know these guys desperately need more bussiness and very seriously deserve every dollar anyone pays them so i will give a couple more hints. Blue Average are both synonyms to the actual words for the name of the company, they sell 1LB bags for $3.25/LB, 5LB bags for $2.55/LB, and 50LB bags for $2.00/LB (when was the last time you saw prices that good even for shit seeds, huh?). They are currently out of stock but only for a short time as they had stock like 2 weeks ago so itll be back soon. Seeds come from an unnamed source in spain with absolutely no washing, excessive handling, mechanical agitation to remove opium dust powder, are always the freshest harvest and do not irradiate at all. These guys are one of the last sources for completely untainted high quality seeds for VERY GOOD prices. Please dont fuck this up and make me regret this. I'll give you one more, the shipping method is a bit non-traditional.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 18:09:23 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
pods are essentially a dead scene. i have like 2-4 vendors who still will at least still sometimes have stock to sell them but the prices range from not good to terrible. Sadly seeds are also now dying but i just dropped a shit load of hints for one of the last good unknown vendors around. I have found an alternate to seeds but im not sure im ready to share it.
Morphonaut - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 18:19:57 EST ID:682My6r7 No.582729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is a bummer but not altogether surprising. I wish the opi scene as a whole weren't such a goddamn shitshow. I am not too keen on diving needle first back into the horse show so I'm pretty shitted up about how slantways we all have to talk about alternate sources. Ima go out on a limb here and guess your alternative to poppy products are fent analogues but hey I might as well be a rookie at this point, because fuck how fast the game changes.

I wish all the good advice and vibes I used to pump into this place were redeemable now for a rock solid solution that wasn't already btfo
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 19:11:47 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
its not fentalogs but that is another one. its a direct product of poppy seeds that have been semi processed but in a way that loses minimal opis and isnt seed oil
Jack Nesslenid - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 02:25:32 EST ID:HrlqCSxp No.582763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
much thanks for the tip Q. I'll give a try when I can. if you're concerned you should delete those posts in a day or two, after the regulars here have seen it.
Ian Sumbledock - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 03:14:15 EST ID:jEb5v0bj No.582766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The shipping method is weird as fuck. Prices are awesome if their quality is as good as you say. Would you rate their potency? I can't wait to try some. This weak shit their sending out this summer makes me think that it is coming to an end. Is there any evidence of LE forcing the seeds to be washed/regulated or are the shops scared some kid is going to OD (more so) and started washing?

Fucking opiates. Heroin is all cut with fentanyl/RC and poor potency to boot most don't make it over 50% purity (check out EC). Pills are all fakes pressed with fentanyl/RC too. Pods are nearly extinct (for me at least) and not worth what they sell for nowadays. Seeds are becoming washed to uselessness. I don't have access to legitimate scripts and their prices are outrageous anyway.

What is left besides growing your own (hard as fuck from my understanding) to get some morphine? Assuming your seeds are good stock in the first place.
Nicholas Shakeridge - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 04:07:44 EST ID:AScftNbF No.582769 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Here in the UK pods are very much alive, kicking, potent and cheap as fuck. I did them for years, daily. 2KGs of pods, next day delivery for £45. I got 2kg every 2 weeks for like 5 years. Worst withdrawal I've experienced, and I've experienced precipitated WD. It just kept going for like 3-4 weeks, just for the acute part. Anyway, darknet heroin here is cheap and very potent so that's whats I do now instead for the past 2 or 3 years. £50/g and easily around 50%+ pure and quite easily higher

Strange thing with the pods was no matter how many of the seeds I got from the pods I washed, it never got me even slightly high. Im guessing it was because of my tolerance rather than poor seeds
Nicholas Shakeridge - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 04:12:07 EST ID:AScftNbF No.582770 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I don't do seeds myself but found the company, the price is great compared to the others. That's a great thing you did sharing that with people, that said I agree with the other poster, delete your post in a day or 2

Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 05:27:27 EST ID:sjzLkMQ+ No.582776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How is it sourcing if it's a legal product? - I thought the "No Sourcing" rule is for ILLEGAL products, and therefore keep Kirt and all his gay admin friends exempt from illegalities & prosecution - Really we need a court case to surmise whether it's either legal or illegal, like Asshole vs The State of wherever.

Which is why I had a problem with acronyming WELL KNOWN vendors from the beginning of my tripfagotry - But I do agree it can be linked in Google search and hence a necessity for acronyms; it can go to worse shit than it is, but no-one REALLY knows why the such differed qualities right now.
Hunter S. Nodson - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 19:29:00 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582794 Ignore Report Quick Reply

it might seem dark these days but there are a lot of silver linings to this. I was actually talking to Q about this before. For instance, new RC non-fent opioids are being produced more now with higher safety profiles, kratom and their extracts are getting increasingly better due to indonesia taking over the market. While PST might not be as easy to find quality seeds these days, they are still out there if you look hard enough. Local markets are the best for this just try and avoid the river where every motherfucker is trying to get good seeds from. Theres also other forms of poppy seeds that are semi-processed but still contain a good amount of alkaloids, I don't want to be specific for a good reason but think of what people use poppy seeds for legitimately and you will find some forms that aren't just plain seeds.

But out of all things I would highly recommend kratom. Finding a strain and vendor that works for you might be a little difficult at first but as long as you are getting high quality leaf, I find it to be more euphoric than PST but more functional while also being self-limiting. It is also DIRT cheap, cheaper than PST dose for dose (6 gram dose, kilo goes for $70-80 on the high end so just under $0.50 a dose and you can even find kilos for around $50 nowadays). Its not as long lasting, but it gets the job done. I've used it as a maintenance drug for 4 years now about and its incredible. The absolute best part is that the cross-tolerance effect isn't as pronounced so you can still enjoy the occasional /opi/s without having to take ridiculous doses. Kratom is cheaper than ever due to SEA hopping into the US market so if I were you I'd order a nice stash from an indo vendor while its this cheap. Once it becomes regulated like kava, the price will go back up to $100+ a kilo which will be happening in the next couple years due to its huge increase in popularity. A lot of vendors are preparing for this by becoming GCMP compliant as a first step in the direction for FDA approval so it looks like it will start happening soon which will make prices skyrocket.

Sorry the rant in the last paragraph. But don't worry about PST as there are other options out there. Trust me, if I didn't have access to opioids I'd be a fucking wreck so I understand 100%. Good luck.
Lillian Drullerherk - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 19:42:59 EST ID:Day+ImuU No.582796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I must be retarded because I can't figure it out. Lolplol
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 22:36:03 EST ID:ruFOvFrg No.582803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Even still, with the price & qualities of even the top three PST choices now, seeds are still a MUCH better price than the price of ANY pharmaceuticals off the street and even, if you don't know how to use the darknet /duh/, usually quite better than even fent laced street H.

People are comparing the seeds to quantity & per 'usual' quality, but relative to the price of even street H I'd rather 10lbs of seeds for $30-60 than half a G.

Btw, I thought you were hinting at a certain supplier in Kratom that might be possibly, somewhat, popping up here on the advertisement areas of 420/? ;)

That's kinda the point. :/

Also, Q, I agree with the others; if the occasional idiot, maybe an idiot savant that's kinda good at puzzles, sees that, it may turn out as you stated "a fucker ruining it." I also, very much would like to thank you, if it's as good as you say. Of course I see no reason why it wouldn't be, but even though I haven't really looked nor found it yet I just wanted to say thank you for your generosity toward others that you don't even, really know.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:41:43 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.582825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah that is correct, PST is stupid cheap. Unfortunately the dark net has took a turn for the worse lately although we know it will pop back up soon. I would never cop street H nowadays its a literal game of russian roulette.

haha yeah man don't worry, just pulling some funds together for ad space and marketing and it'll soon be up. you'll definitely know when you see it, I just launched my store last week.
Morphonaut - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 13:17:45 EST ID:3sP1cauY No.582828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Aw c'mon, copping street heroin is nearly as exciting as drawing up your shot.
Being back in your safe space, having braved the wild west of niggerdom. Having to judge potency and cut by the taste of the cotton.
Gives you that metallic adrenaline taste on the back of your tongue. Like a wild ancestral hunter gatherer who brought down big, strange game. Not knowing if the first bite is poison.

That's that shiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Cyril Fuckingford - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 14:13:51 EST ID:m+PMY/Ul No.582829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
First time using PST (I barely ever use anymore, so my tolerance is very low if I have any), and damn it hit me way harder than I thought. I think I drank a little too much.
Anyway, I have a some questions :
-Is it supposed to be this sedating ? It felt great but I was nodding so hard I couldn't do anything at all today, just lying in bed playing guitar and reading a few pages. It was kinda hard to stay awake. That's not how I react to opiates usually.
-Had to throw up a couple of times (like, 4 hours after drinking the stuff), any way to make it easier on the stomach ?
-What recipe do you recommend for eating the seeds after washing them ? Might as well use them for something now that I got off to them.
-Anyone has had bad experiences with unwanted alcaloids in their tea ? My arms and legs felt very sore for a while, I wonder if it's because of the thebaine.

Fuck I made the tea at 11 am and I'm still high as a kite ... I didn't know seeds could be so potent.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:20:57 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.582833 Ignore Report Quick Reply

man after my experience from copping dillies in what you call niggerdom, no fucking thanks. Thought I was going to die in one of the most violent parts of Florida (look up Riviera Beach, FL).

and guess what

they ended up being fent lol

talk about primal extinct, there is nothing that gets your adrenaline going like trying to figure out if you just consumed a fuckton of fentalogs or the drug you're expecting. I always put my money on 17 black and hope for the best.
Charles Cleckleham - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 19:14:59 EST ID:MV8rPz2m No.582836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
First off, where did you get your seeds? They sound pretty good. Now to answer you questions

  1. Yes it's a depresant, notice people talking about getting a "nod"? Falling asleep due to their drugs
2.you can let the tea sit for an hour or so and there will be sediment at the bottom, that's the good stuff. You can pour off (or pipet/oral syringe) the top liquid that doesn't have any goodies in them to drink less fluid which should be better on your stomach. Maybe eating something AFTER you're already high will help, definitely not before though
3. I doubt anyone here actually uses the seeds for quisine, i know I don't. Just google some recipe for a kolache
4.the only bad experiences I've had is doing too much and having a sort of "hangover" from too much alkaloids releasing serotonin and giving me a mild case of serotonin syndrome possibly from the thebaine . You should get used to it
Edward Pockdock - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 21:04:06 EST ID:f9JXitYe No.582840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>there will be sediment at the bottom, that's the good stuff

Nope, no it's not. Heaps of people filter their PST and discard the sediment and still get high as fuck. The whole idea of PST is that the morphine is soluble in acid solutions. I know meconate has low solubility at neutral PH (still not insoluble), but it's much more so in an acidic solution
Edward Pockdock - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 21:10:23 EST ID:f9JXitYe No.582841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Serotonin syndrome from thebaine

Wow, you are on ignorant motherfucker. First you tell people to throw out the liquid from PST and consume largely inactive sediment, then you claim to have gotten SS from PST because you had a hangover, so obviously it must be SS because DRUGS. Serotonin syndrome isn't easy to get even combining serotonergic drugs, certainly not from PST alone.
Hunter S. Nodson - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 00:10:35 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582843 Ignore Report Quick Reply

First off, where did you get your seeds? They sound pretty shitty. Now, to answer your faggotry
  1. Fucking shocker, you're actually vaguely correct, next.
  2. Yes, you must be scooping poppy seeds out of dirt if there is sediment in your fucking PST that is in such great concentrations it falls out to the bottom after an hour. I think you might also live in opposite world since morphine is apparently insoluble in water in your twilight zone.
  3. Quisine? Are you gay or retarded? Are you talking about your frozen dinners or fucking tonic water?
  4. Oh, fuck. I understand it now. You are genuinely retarded right? I apologize for being crass, I genuinely didn't know you had a disability.
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 01:43:05 EST ID:ruFOvFrg No.582845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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-While opioids and opiate more-so are supposed to knock you the fuck out in high doses, like fent being used for anesthesia, that is not their only fundamental property; at lower doses, you may enjoy it significantly more.

-Again, along with tolorance lowering your dosage will definitely help with nausea, but otherwise use anti-nausea meds like promethazine.

-With how many seeds you need to get high, you really can't use all the seeds unless you're going to do some mass baking and sell them a say a flea-market. That said, I have eaten poppy seeds by themselves, which can help quite a lot with constipation, and really do love their nutty taste. I've also baked them as well as added them to rolls, I'm a regular Martha Fucking Stewart over here, and while they're so good, as much as I love my opi plant, there are too many fucking seeds to deal with in cooking.. I've actually started a compost pile at one point.. It's somewhat sadly a waste, but there are enough being produced that a good majority is either going to die & rot or sprout & grow.

-It could be that your not used to such analgesia and as such you are feeling pain you've never noticed because you were so used to it.. I mean it's not unheard of; people build a tolorance toward everything, not just drugs or poison.

Hey, I've got to say a little something about that sediment at the bottom; I mean this dude is obviously either an idiot or a troll but the shit at the bottom isn't always dirt and may contain pod, pod which may absorb SOME, not much, of thine glorious opiate alkaloids.. That's not to say it's worth it, but if you're looking to get all you can and actually DO enjoy the shit at the bottom, as it's obviously more-so an acquired taste than just filtered 'tea,' do you see or is there much of a problem with it? - I'm actually asking; what are there pros & cons to drinking filtered/non-filtered poppy piss?

It is a poppy discussion after all.
Isabella Cligglepet - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 02:53:38 EST ID:m+PMY/Ul No.582853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thank you man. Yeah I figured the dosage was simply too high.
William Sugglelot - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 05:02:13 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>make PST, then filter it and evaporate the liquid and you're left with morphine powder?

Not quite. It is that easy, but you're left with the full spectrum of alkaloids (thebaine, codeine, morphine, papaverine and others) and a few impurities like fats and oils.
Hunter S. Nodson - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:00:45 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.582871 Ignore Report Quick Reply

it is that easy, and it isn't pure morphine at all. I am planning to isolate it though. It's literally as simple as evaporating your tea (but use way less water to start off). What's in the pic is what was evaporated after filtering through a 1 micron filter and nothing else.

Also, I heard thebaine isn't soluble in water, so maybe this played a roll in how good it felt? Most people drink the tea after agitating so maybe it gets consumed that way, but I figured the 1 micron might have filtered it out since it is suspended and I used very cold water.
Hunter S. Nodson - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:01:17 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.582872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
shit my bad I didn't read the part to explain it.

>get your water extremely cold, like just before freezing temp
>grab your seeds, I suggest using a pound or half
>put your seeds in a 2l or similar container
>fill with about 300-400ml of cold water (no need for lemon juice or citric acid, it will smoke like absolute dogshit and it doesn't make a difference IME)
>shake violently for 2-3 minutes
>now preheat your oven to 300-325 degrees
>filter contents through a 1 micron filter bag, coffee filter might not work as they clog easily.
>let sit in fridge for 30-60 min for the fats and insolubles to settle
>pour a thin layer into a pyrex (thinner dries quicker and comes out drier like a powder)
>place pyrex into oven, farthest away from the burners as possible
>check on it every 10 min or so to make sure you don't burn it
>use a flat razor to scrape it up
>enjoy your PST powder that looks like street heroin.

It smokes OK. Definitely shouldn't be smoked often. If you do want to make it smokeable you can follow some extra steps to do so (these steps go in between filtering the seeds and letting it settle)

>take the PST water
>get yourself some coconut oil (or as a last resort, paraffin wax)
>heat up the PST in a pot until its under a rolling boil (light light light boil)
>add in coconut oil
>agitate by stirring/whisking once the coconut oil is in liquid form
>keep this up for 8-10 minutes and make sure it doesn't get too hot
>pour contents into a beaker or glass cup
>put mixture into fridge or freezer if you're impatient (watch it closely so the actual water doesn't freeze)
>once the coconut oil is solidified, you can filter it out or carefully remove it from the top
>you now have a more smokeable version, gratz.
>If for some reason you have some GAA lying around, I'm pretty sure you can acetylate it in an organic base (ethanol + sodium hydroxide) and turn it into 6-MAM which is pretty simple. I am really bad at organic chemistry, so I don't know exactly how so hopefully someone chimes in and corrects me or something. But 6-MAM is more potent than diamorphine and can be synthed without any watched chemicals. It's also very easy to do although once again, idk if it will work in this crude form. You might have to isolate out the morphine first (which once again, is still relatively easy).

if you have any questions don't hesitate!
Hunter S. Nodson - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:12:52 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.582873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
fucking triple post like a retard but ignore the last part, do not attempt this if you haven't isolated the morphine yet. You will end up with MAC along with the 6-MAM which is really shitty. Do not attempt.
Dr. Mario - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 12:03:52 EST ID:jw9ZCTOH No.582874 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 13:28:33 EST ID:y19mOudX No.582880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whadu order, Dr. M? I got another one of those 5.5 SN's out for delivery, myself, today.
Need something better.. I swear, if the seed game gets any more difficult, I'm moving to either the golden triangle or the golden, fucking crescent.

I'm surprised; I thought like Nodson you.. Quit? ;)
Basil Grimdale - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 13:34:48 EST ID:1/276my3 No.582881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Two packages out for delivery, separately(the riv certainly dose have a strange distribution system).
A 4.5 SN and 6# WGN. Good thing for me because this morning has been nothing but restless legs, runny nose and a little nausea. Nothing horrible, but it has been almost 48 hours.

Will update.
Dr. Mario - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:14:48 EST ID:kQ0dKd5P No.582883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
5.5lb SN.

I didn't quit, I just need to quit to avoid physically dependent.

I'm not current physically dependent for the first time in years.

The only way I don't end up doing like 10mg etizolam and 1lb pst a day is by taking meditation super seriously and vaping WAAAAAAAY too much weed.

I usually get a bag that's 4-6lb and either binge it all in a day if it's shit, or if it's good stuff I usually try to dose 1.5lb.

So far I've ordered maybe 20lb of seeds post-nondependency. So far doing it all in one day if it's child's quality produces better results WD wise than using 2-3 days in a day.

Honestly I've only been waiting 5-8 days between orders. My GAD is bad as fuck again and frankly I think my affection for PST stems from it being the best thing for GAD besides Benzos.

So now I'm ordering like 1g of etizolam and 1g diclazepam because it's been 5+ months without benzos and a year since benzo addiction.

Wish me luck inb4 I get hooked on etizolam instead, AGAIN. For real though, I was so afraid of addiction that I thought going dry was the only solution. In fact it's probably reduced my quality of life.

Keep on keepin' on. I'll probably chip this shit my whole life, and anybody here who's seen my bullshit since like 2015 knows it lol.

I actually had international kratom get confiscated...go figure.
DrunkyTheFuckClown - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 15:46:36 EST ID:MV8rPz2m No.582885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have evaporated pst and smoked what was leftover, no filtering or isolation of any kind. It was...disappointing honestly. I felt a very mild effect, it's a waste if you ask me. And these are seeds that have been decent quality

Man I feel you, I'll probably be doing opiates for the rest of my life. I'd think to myself "I probably won't be doing it by X age" but there hasn't been a remote drop in usage since I started seriously using.
Shitting Semblechark - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:18:24 EST ID:Z2XogvcU No.582907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Came over here from /stem/.
Couldn't get to sleep so I thought I would check what you guys were up to.
In a smokable form how much tnt would someone tolerance need?
Shitting Semblechark - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:20:02 EST ID:Z2XogvcU No.582908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
someone with NO tolerance need.
Lack of sleep is getting to me.
Basil Grimdale - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 19:32:00 EST ID:1/276my3 No.582910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oddly enough, I would rate the 4.5 pound SN about 4.5/10 & the 6 pound WGN about 6/10. Lololol. Same expiration dates. 3/15/18 & 7/18 respectively. The trend of WGN being the strongest of the big three is continuing for me. Just glad they are obviously unwashed still.

Smoked some weed to get me riiight where I want to be after my tea. Now smoking a camel 99. Probably gonna try a new vendor that was hinted to in this thread soon, but I'm gonna keep my mouth shut except maybe a very non-discript review here. I'm so thankful we have a rather good community here, a good mix of helping each other and keeping it pretty low key.
Hunter S. Nodson - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:13:47 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.582911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you're not alone on that I can assure you, I just did it for the first time and got great results myself but it could also be a number of factors: 1) seeds I had were unusually strong, pod chunks and pieces all throughout 2) the materials I use, the micron bag might have helped a bit. 3) the method. I used super cold water which most people would say not to do, but to me I rather get slightly less morphine if it means not pulling as many fats and other insolubles.

I haven't repeated it with other seeds so who knows, but all I know is that I wasn't expecting to get anything useable and ended up getting something that exceeded my expectations by far. I mean the bottom pic speaks for itself, it came out as a nice, light tan powder with the consistency of coke more "airy" (think almost fibrous but powdered, very light).
Angus Hollerford - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:20:57 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I believe thebaine is water soluble, at least in the form it occurs in PST. It's easy to remove thebaine by adding salicylic acid, it will cause the thebaine to precipitate out.

>I didn't quit, I just need to quit

True 'spirit of /opi/' right there.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:28:46 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
aight just bought 4 pounds of BRM from my local store even though its $8/pound, which actually is not too high above standard these days so i guess what the fuck ever at least it wasnt 11 or 12/pound. Only did so because i bought some last month or the month before and they were real good so im hoping these are good too. Best by date (M/D/Y) 4/3/19 Lot 230119 Packaged (M/D/Y) 4/3/17 (fresh as fuck!) Will review tomorrow probs afternoon/evening sometime. Also just bought a pound of pods for muh bday should ship in the morning and be here by like wednesday or something. theres only like two (idk, three?) pod vendors in the us right now so you probs know where its from. I'll probs review those too for the fuck of it.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:32:44 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> It's easy to remove thebaine by adding salicylic acid, it will cause the thebaine to precipitate out


also yes thebaine is water soluble
Angus Hollerford - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:46:34 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582917 Ignore Report Quick Reply

"Thebaine salicylate: It is obtained as crystals which are soluble in 750 parts of water. Thus. thebaine may be separated from other major alkaloids of opium by forming its salicylate derivative which is sparing soluble in water"

Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:49:34 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thats pretty cool, saved. youd probably need to basify first right? or does it displace the meconate?
Angus Hollerford - Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:55:51 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't remember where I found the original paper that described the process, from memory I think it just said to add salicylic acid, so presumably it displaces the meconate. However, I can't remember exactly and it's possible that it was done further through the process of refining other alkaloids after the solution was basified.
Dr. Mario - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 00:58:53 EST ID:cmGzMMC6 No.582930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can I just say that while I do value your reviews, the fact that your essentially first review of wgn whilst having no experience with them, yet you still give out 8/10s?

You DO realize how high you personally get has like 50% maximum to do with bag ratings?

Just because you get 8/10 high doesn't even mean the bag is above a 4. You seem to get off on anything I rate above a 3.5 and tbh good for you I'm jealous, but that disparity is a problem.

You can rate ridiculous over inflation concerning how HIGH you get, but with bag reviews you gotta be accurate about the bag quality. Bitterness, tea color, rough mg/kg, and profile.

My point is you tend to genuinely get high as shit, but it's more related to your responsible rate of use than the bag strength.

You recognize that rating that an 8 makes zero fucking sense when it's objectively 30-40% TOPS as strong as circa Feb. 2016 and July 2015 both SN being 10/10 and 9.25/10, respectively. That's ~250-300mg/kg MINIMUM to earn a 9.5+/10. No 9/10 should be less than ~220mg/kg period; that's 100mg morph per lb.

So if 100mg/lb is the requirement for 9/10, aka 220mg/kg, an 8/10 would need at LEAST 170-180mg/kg or 75mg/lb, and 75mg/lb is more 7/10 range anyways.

5/10 is like 120mg/kg at least. So a lb of 5/10 is ~50mg oral morph or 30mg Oxy.

I don't mean to be rude, but I just honestly feel like you review seeds based on your subjective tolerance and unique usage pattern more so than the particular bags strength. Either I'm right, or I'm heavily wrong and you DO review them based on objective qualities, BUT your review system is clearly inflated as all fuck, as in by like 1.25-2.5 entire points every single time you review.

I value your usage history. So please make it more useful by not giving jacked up reviews. If you must give out 7-9s that are clearly just 4.5-7s that hit you well after rounds of shittier than normal bags combined with your traditional chipping chart.

Don't misunderstand me; I like you, and in fact I would sincerely appreciate if you would ever respond to the Telegram messages I sent you.

Just start doing a
>Subjective high rating: 8/10
>seeds by the morph content/bitter/NoOffTastesOrSmells/decent alkaloid profile, always keeping in mind that 9-10 ratings are ALWAYS reserved for Seeds over ~220-300+mg/kg, as those are the best we've encountered for sure without dispute. So when not a single bag except one for me has reached 150mg/kg, for 6 months from all big 3 except maybe a rare April-May FTL E reaching ~120-150mg/kg.

You're encouraged to respond and even disputemy assertion, but IMO it's pretty hard to argue with the obvious.

>I'm glad u still get toasted brah, but feeling 8/10 doesn't make a bag 8/10
>if it did, every bag reviewed by a noob would always rate a 5 or more and average of 7-8/10, and every dependent veteran would always rate a 4 or less, with an average of 2-3.

See the problem?

It's sort of why most leddit reviews are fucking useless. They talk solely about how they feel, which is only half the puzzle.

Not to compare you to them though as it's not fair to you.

Pls hmu on telegram
Dr. Mario - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:24:06 EST ID:cmGzMMC6 No.582934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No my wife's iPhone just has a massive screen protector so I can't fix my grammar or sound remotely intelligent.

I meant to say I didn't and don't need to quit for good; I just needed to stop being physically dependent, and for the first time in over 2 years I am not morphine dependent. I can do 1.5lb of 4/10 WGN and only get sneezing, runny nose, baby doses like 3.5g Kratom tier WDs that don't start until 3.5 days after and only last 1-3 days.

If I do the same amount over 2-3 days I get real WD so obviously even with a dozen CT sessions and detox afte detox I'm still very close to dependencY.

My point was everyone gets caught up on quitting/dropping the stuff forever and ridicules me as if I genuinely was ever interested in never doing a Rec. opioid again.

Even my wife doesn't want that. She just wants me non dependent, fully functional so no PAWS type stuff being visible, not blowing money, and can drop it for a while whenever. I need to work on the cravings and PAWS/handling GAD, as well as my chipping off time (currently I've been organically doing roughly 1-2 days on usually 1 now, and 5-8 days off (usually 6 so once a week). Once a week isn't really sustainable but bear in mind I get total bunko every 25-33% of orders, and only one good bag above a 5-6 this summer, and it was a 6.75 5.5lb 3/15 SN (following one was weak like a 2.XX, and my most recent today is a ~4 give or take, will review later).

So let's start using more mg per kg, bitterness, and indicators like comparison to standardized pills or the teas ability to compete with a residual Suboxne dose that me might take 3 days before every time for comparison.

I just have a hunch that none of your comparisons are standardized in any way whatsoever. Meaning you never really take proven to be real pharmaceuticals (and haven't for years) that would be super helpful in rating seeds.

You even said once that you took like 150mg oxycodone after having not had any opioids for like 6 entire months, and you felt absolutely nothing.

Not trying to hate; just trying to acknowledge the high degree of subjectivity inherent in your reviews, and would like to see you mend it so I can take your reviews as Gospel like your usage history deserves.
Angus Hollerford - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:40:21 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fair enough. I was just taking the piss, don't take it too seriously.
Angus Hollerford - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 03:27:22 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.582943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, not being dependent is basically my goal too. I'm not sure if chipping is going to actually be viable for me as yet though. Really wish I could just take a week off work and go cold turkey and just take a bunch of lop and seroquel myself into unconsciousness for a week.

Are you finding ULDN useful at all? I know you said it didn't work with bupe, but does it work for general mild withdrawal/PAWS symptoms or to increase the effects of PST?
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 12:41:47 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.582964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
shit im gonna try this i have a bunch of salicylic acid sitting around i havent had much use for. If it displaces the meconate this is super useful, if it needs to be basified first its a little less useful but is still worth knowing and trying.
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Sat, 05 Aug 2017 14:59:53 EST ID:ZBjGyBSS No.582969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I hope you didn't get that from that statement I made. I was merely joking, or rather being a smartass. I bare no ill will, as I am as my name suggests.

As your situation pertains, of course what may be common sense while chipping post addiction, of the satiation in the high, you should try to not dose too low so you don't slip up in an addiction enabled impulse to fuck-it dose seeds in means toward a high in gluttony; the greed in the lust of the high may lead toward gluttony, and therefore addiction. I'm sure you've already considered this but I just wanted to not only recap the understanding buy re-aware your actions.

While I ultimately love feeling the empathic glory that is opi from another's high, I have to say I have much respect for you & Nodson, as well as any one else for that matter, for reducing so much; even if it were legal, opi addiction and overall every addiction is a chain, a crutch and a possible weakness. Kudos.

I'd like to say, also, that you have to take natural tolorance & personal metabolization into account with reviews as well; you realize, a review is subjective per comparison via relativity. That said, with the 2lb(Almost a kilo) out of the 5.5lb SN I had off the river (exp. 3/27/18, origin: Chattanooga, TN) which I had taken last night, yesterday, in comparison to crushed ER MS with a phosphoric acid soda(Maybe the best comparison due to PST's long HL?), were about ~200-250mg and I still feel decent now - As 120mg of ER MS gets me just enough well with a slight mood increase. So if it was ~200-250mg/kg of ER MS, that's, what, half as much per HL for ER vs IR? -So ~100-125mg/kg; ~your 4.5-5/10? And it was about a five, maybe, barely a six; 5.5?

Though, this SN seems to be better than other bags; it took longer for the onset, ~45min to feel & ~90min for peak instead of per regular ~20min to feel & ~45min to peak, and is lasting longer as well than the previous SN's I've had
Cedric Clackleshit - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 06:42:15 EST ID:KLwkRmV4 No.582984 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think you're kidding yourself when you say you arent dependant. For starters 1.5lbs of seeds a dose is pretty huge

> usually get a bag that's 4-6lb and either binge it all in a day if it's shit

Yeah you're still dependant and if you can't control the urge to use up everything you got just because its "shit" you heavily psychologically hooked too. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't kid yourself.

Also, you say your wife is "OK" with you using "as long as you aren't dependant/show WD". I think your wife doesn't approve of it as much as you think she does, and her saying that will just make you hide how dependant you are and any WD you experience.

Ge on methadone, it sounds like you arent ready to quit opiates and subs arent killing the cravings or WD. Or go up to a proper 16mg blocking sub dose and take it everyday. This half in half out, constant cycle of half detox, half getting sorta high, half waiting to dose subs to avoid PWD, waiting long enough after sub to drink tea thing you've got going on is the worst of all worlds with little benefits. You cant have it both ways and at this rate you'll lose your wife or say in this miserable cycle of trying to juggle too many things
Dr. Mario - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 08:02:14 EST ID:ujTeWr85 No.582988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey to clarify I was talking to Panda about review subjectivity.

I don't mean to attack anyone's reviews. I just highly value reviews from experienced people like Panda (and you), and hate to see subjectivity cloud any "objective" conclusions. Sorry my pronouns are all vague and my writing unedited; this iPhone screen barely responds to taps.
Nicholas Blackdale - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 18:18:17 EST ID:6k/BCBQ4 No.583006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah about a week ago I got some WGN. Came from over seas.
It tastes a lot worse than the SN from years ago, but maybe that's the new norm for PST nowadays.

Yeah I don't weigh it, but when I fill a water bottle 3/4 up with seeds, it gets me well.
I think the date on it is 7/18, let me check. Yeah that's right. 7/18.
Ernest Choddleford - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 20:11:42 EST ID:Tdyo9DRe No.583013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stupid question - how long can soaked seeds last? refridgerated vs non?

Example, if i left seeds in a bottle of water for 24 hours - would it be safe? Both in the refridgerator vs left out?
Panda5 !EshdTRey7E - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 23:25:17 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.583014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh, didn't see that part of your post.

Yes, I did take 160mg in 5mg IR oxys after 6 months clean several years ago. But shit, that was over 2 years ago and I haven't done ( or even seen ) any /opi/ pharms since. I haven't been able to get high off /opi/ pills since 2012.

But it'd be really hard to do comparison ratings such as "this 850-gram wash in 1L of 72F water felt exactly like 320mg IR oxy oral, except it lasted for 18 hours."

That kind of review just isn't feasible; hence why I mentioned to include "your tolerance" in the orig post. There will always be huge amounts of variability.
Frederick Drellyhall - Mon, 07 Aug 2017 03:11:29 EST ID:KHARyJvV No.583022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
8hrs tops, then you're drinking serious mold. freeze it
Ian Pumbleford - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:00:31 EST ID:orMQRObo No.583132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anybody notice any difference in the potency when it comes to the origin of seeds? e.g. Turkish seeds, Spanish, English, Dutch
Dr. Mario - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 20:14:10 EST ID:8k6INn93 No.583134 Ignore Report Quick Reply

IME Spanish have always been weaker versions of English; Turkey was usually even weaker. Never tried Dutch on purpose, just twice years ago and was shit.

I have gone with English seeds for 2 years. The only good seeds outside of England are rebranded English that's sold as Afghan etc.

Clearly non-English can potentially be equally potent, but statiscally it's not there.
Dr. Mario - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 00:59:05 EST ID:8k6INn93 No.583140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Ge on methadone, it sounds like you arent ready to quit opiates and subs arent killing the cravings or WD. Or go up to a proper 16mg blocking sub dose and take it everyday.

>This half in half out, constant cycle of half detox, half getting sorta high, half waiting to dose subs to avoid PWD, waiting long enough after sub to drink tea thing you've got going on is the worst of all worlds with little benefits. You cant have it both ways and at this rate you'll lose your wife or say in this miserable cycle of trying to juggle too many things


Too true

Dw dawg I'm just gonna hop on diclazepam+etizolam again but in normie doses, Keaton, and naltrexone.

Yeah no shit PST is dumb af, for PAWS atleast. Heroin? 3-9mo. PST? 6-24mo

I can't handle sobriety dude. Detoxing has made me 20% as effective as before. I forgot I had GAD when I was on PST daily lol. Feels like muh hair is on fire ya feel?
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 02:21:01 EST ID:y19mOudX No.583145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Depends on temperature; only a couple hours max if it's summertime & in a car, 12max if in an air conditioned house, two-three days for refrigerator temperatures... You get the picture. I can and have used 60+hrs old, one-washed seeds that were sitting in an ~80°F+ for second wash before.. Shit burned, was fermenting and tasted like shit, but it got me well and didn't get sick - That's me, however, as I've eaten week old burgers & half week old raw sushi unrefrigerated, multiple times, before; on my father's side, I've got some pretty badass stomach genes. Tho, wouldn't advise

Dr, that GAD, it sounds similar to autism, well, I've either got one or the other, myself, but they do sound quite similar for somewhat ½ of the major symptoms.

Ordered a 2-day, 6lb WGN off the river on the fifth; all WGN's off the river became "not available" on the sixth & seventh, so lucky me if the reviews stand up as positive as they look. But, I also ordered 10lbs of WGN's off the Wallyworld site that should be coming in on the 10th, so I'll be reviewing that too, I suppose, even though they are regional.

Took ~7cups, weighed up to 2lbs & added a cup to it (Approximately one kilo), of the WGN's (6lb, exp. 07/18, departure origin: Lexington, KY) at 1522EST-8/8/17 on an empty stomach, though luckily I have prometh & some red ballz in case of nausea.. Thinking back, with the prometh & red ballz, I quite liked the sweet, sublingual ondansetron for the very reason that I usually take something sweet with the prometh specifically for any nausea.. -Anyhoo, as I was saying, slammed the ~5dl of poppy piß concentrate from the approximate kilo @1522EST on the eighth, started coming up @~1550EST and am sitting comfortably at what I surmise is the peak right now [1650EST]. :) Feels to me as ~400migs of ER MS w/a can of phosphoric acid chaser would, so ~180-220migs IR MS/kilo, to me; 7-7.5/10? - Maybe 8/10 if I'm being precarious but it could be from tolorance drop via SN scheiße.

FELLS GUD. I ain't loaded, inhibition satiated however not in surplus - a good probability it's from my being tired, but I'm pretty warm and decently good.. Mmm, I'm so glad these seeds came today because I was OUT; yes, I just had some SN that were MAYBE, at best 5.5/10, more like ~4/10, really, delivered on 4/8 but I am also sharing*, and sharing scheiße seeds between two dependant people is NOT as easy as one would think. Fucking censured pharma.. Nvm... But the next WGN's to be back in stock on da river maybe of alternate origin and therefore quality.

*@ This point, I nodded the fuck out until now; 0400EST.
So I gotsa definite bwn.

Refrigerated the seeds earlier, woke up & did a second wash in hot water to make the cold seeds lukewarm water & added it to ANOTHER lb I just slammed. ;D

Aaand nodded the fuck out again on that one pound w/a kg second wash seeds.. Jesus Christmas in Holy Hell, Shitfuck Industries. I got FUBAR'd - I actually feel comfortable now calling these seeds at least 8's; 8/10. Of course ymmv, as I've yet to acclimate a steady tolorance to which it was before the SN and may be assimilating, evaluating & comparing thoes scheiße, SN seeds.
Doris Nicklebury - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 02:37:30 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.583147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They seem to start to smell fermented really quickly - much less than 8 hours. If you're doing a second wash even waiting a couple of hours is too long. Temperatures are pretty warm in my area though, so maybe you'd get away with a little longer than a couple of hours. The water soaks in though, and if you're doing another wash it will have a lot more oil in it in the longer you leave it I realise oil isn't water soluble, maybe the seeds split from swelling. If you're cooking with them or something I dunno but I still wouldn't leave it long.
Panda5 - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:40:40 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.583162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yo, G's!

I've got 6# wgn coming downriver tomorrow, will report back.
Panda5 - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:12:11 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.583215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just got it; looks as good as the usual recent wgn, which is to say: great.

Drinking it right now - will report back.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:21:30 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.583216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
heres my review of brm i did the other day.

Brand BRM, source local, Best by date (m/d/y) 05/27/19, Packaging date 5/28/17, seeds look good darkish but not as clumpy as the last bags good amount of small pod bits, wash was fairly bitter and quite dark, current tolerance low-ish, potency maybe 6-6.5/10, no other drugs or potentiators, seed to water ratio 1 pound per liter.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:25:12 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.583217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
uh oops. i did 3 pounds and had a decent nod going while a friend with zero tolerance took one pound and was high like 24 hours and def had a nod going for awhile. took a long time to come up and there was some nausea part way through..
Panda5 - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:36:07 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.583218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ø WGN 6# - exp 07/'18
Ø From Ohio river.
Ø All the things that should be good are good.
Ø Also took 10mg addy and an atarax.
Ø I've been doing PPT/PST for just over 7 years, but I've only had 2 bags in the last 3 months so my tolerance is lower than it usually is.
Ø I'm about 80 minutes into 3/4th-lb single-wash and I'm already getting waves and feeling a little itchy. It's coming on harder as I type this.
Ø 8/10 Hail Satan.

Interesting; I've never had a BRM bag that was active at all.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:02:24 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.583220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the 4/3/19 bags were very good which is why i decided to try the 5/27/17 bags. those were about average. they were very hit and miss for awhile but these days they're actually not a terrible value and have fairly consistent quality with the occasional good bag.

review for the pods i got coming later today.
Priscilla Surringbanks - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:51:11 EST ID:6Wy73Ypo No.583224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The reason I get them is because they're in stores, but a little more expensive. (But better than ftl-e as of now)
Low key with every batch I've gotten of WGN in the past two months I swear BRM beat it pound for pound. It feels different. More euphoric, different (better?) body feeling. Not likely to make you want to nod, but I wouldn't say thats a reason to suspect low levels of the dank. It's just a different high, more stimulating maybe? I doubt I'm imagining this. I'm not super experienced with opiates but I'd guess it has a high codeine content and you guys maybe can't feel it cause of tolerance? Old batches sucked for sure (like 2.5+ months ago?) Although my tolerance is super high as well, but I exclusively do pst so idk. No doubt (to me) though that BRM quality has like at LEAST tripled in the past month or two though. Buy two half lb bags for 4$ each and tell me how wrong I am, I'm genuinely curious how you guys'll feel about this. Just trying to help folks get high.

Side note: does a picture uploaded here include exit data?

OC unrelato testo: "space queen" whose high levels of terps overwhelmed and sickened me when put in a vaporizer.
Polly Honeywill - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:08:20 EST ID:6hLaSPik No.583225 Ignore Report Quick Reply
come up report: 1/2 lb wgn washed with just water
tolerance: 1 lb WGN usually w/no nod

Feelin euphoric, stimulated, and a small body high. 1lb yesterday yielded a great high, more enjoyable compared to the feel of wgn in my opinion.

I'm telling you guys, BRM. I used to have to use 1lb of BRM to even approach this feeling. On like 1/2-2/3rd the tolerance.

Fanny Honeyway - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:17:28 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.583226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>does a picture uploaded here include [exif] data?

As far as I know the site doesn't automatically remove exif data. So it's going to come down to what device you used and if you removed it yourself m
Polly Honeywill - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:47:04 EST ID:6hLaSPik No.583228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
who /essentia/
nice. Swear that shit healed this mystery problem doctors couldn't figure out that mimicked the symptoms of an ulcer. Well pricedish too all things considered.
Panda5 - Fri, 11 Aug 2017 23:12:31 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.583242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
420chan started stripping the EXIF data from all uploads like 5 years ago.
Polly Honeywill - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 00:01:29 EST ID:6hLaSPik No.583246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
can confirm, i checked the data on that photo.
overgrownpath !3g9OJxiR.6 - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 01:56:24 EST ID:xF4jwAGC No.583253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's right, but there was a period of time around a year or two ago where the EXIF stripping feature was broken and the data would remain. It sounds like it's been fixed up again which is good. I have always stripped EXIF data off of my images before I upload regardless (even though I disable location on my devices so it's not like there's much interesting information in said data anyway).
Samuel Mommerwell - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 16:02:10 EST ID:MV8rPz2m No.583277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How would you guys describe a good aroma for seeds to be useful? The good ones i've had usually have an earthy smell, but the best i've ever had smelled like play-doh. I ask because i've seen some people on here say that it's good if they have a peppery smell and i've never had any luck with seeds that smell like that, most store bought seeds have that smell too
Panda5 - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:51:59 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.583286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>smelled like play-doh

Ah, I believe you posted about that on lead-it. IME the good ones smell earthy, the bad ones smell peppery, but YMMV.
Hedda Middletudging - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:26:05 EST ID:MV8rPz2m No.583292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ah fucking double post

If I were to boil off the water of pst, he long would that powder last, shelf life wise? Could I put it into capsules and keep it for like a month?

Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 01:06:40 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.583294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
itll last indefinitely almost
Shitting Chabblenedge - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 21:02:03 EST ID:cbXJ46oj No.583466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Has anyone been able to plug this stuff? If someone could help me out on this I'd love you forever. Or at least would forever think of you as the patron saint of doing drugs through my ass, which probably sounds equally appealing.

I have tried like 10 different ways and it's never worked for me. Also, this is going to get somewhat graphic so fair warning.

Methods I've tried:
-Reuse the same cup of water for a few batches so that ~15ml was equal to my usual dose. Plugging this would give me an uncontrollable urge to shit, like worse than WDs by several orders of magnitude. It was seriously more effective at cleaning me out than the actual enema fluid. I pride myself on ignoring bodily functions/disgust in order to get high and I could barely keep it in me for two minutes. I've tried filtering the solution, I've tried different deliver apparati, but without fail I ended up with a one way ticket to the porcelain thunderdome. One man enters, some of him leaves, blah blah blah you guys can make your own jokes. After some googling I found exactly one other person who experienced this (I think he boiled his down though), and he didn't get any answers either. Also, I was able to keep plain water up there with no problems so I dunno what the deal was.

-Iso wash -> evaporate -> scrape, solute, then plug. I don't know if this would work because I could never get the fucking stuff into me. It would not dissolve in water no matter how long I left it, it just sorta ended up on the edges of whatever container it was in. I tried using a tiny bit of everclear instead of water but that had similar results.

-Boil tea -> evap -> scrape. I don't completely remember what happened with this but I think it was pretty similar to the iso wash as far as workability. Fucking hash, always a god damn mess. Some parts were flaky though, and I thought those would work but nope. Was able to plug it but it didn't really form a solution, and the next time I went to the bathroom (at least an hour or two, possibly a whole day later) all the flakes came out so clearly they didn't take.

-Put "hash" in gelatin capsule, use capsule as suppository, then plug a bit of hot (not too hot lol) water. This was the most effective method but still not great. I put some capsules with food coloring in hot water before hand to see how quickly they dissolved and it was basically instant so I thought that part was sound. Problems were two fold; first, getting the capsule into me was surprisingly difficult. Couldn't use lube cause the capsule would become sticky and start to dissolve, and the capsules didn't handle force very well, mainly bending in on themselves instead of moving. Second, I ended up shitting out the capsule later with what looked like a decent amount of the opium smeared on it (I know it was the opium, trust me on this).

Kudos to whoever actually reads all this. Please help me if you can, doubling or tripling how long my supply lasts would mean less wds and I am a total bitch about them.
Betsy Suvingsit - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 03:56:53 EST ID:6hLaSPik No.583474 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What are the side effects of long term frequent usage of pst? Stupid question, is there any brain damage involved, especially with higher doses?
Thomas de Queasy - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 04:36:05 EST ID:FL++WoFe No.583475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's odd, the play-doh smell is something I associate with MDMA and amphetamine sulfate.
Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:37:16 EST ID:9zcuCmUJ No.583480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've always made concentrated tea, rapped, scrape with razor and plug.

But I haven't plugged my PST in ages. It's just too much work considering the moment my river SMS notification goes off and I know seeds are here, it's off to the races making tea in 5mins and slamming it.

Wish I could help more. I also fear what plugging does to the BA of side alkaloids that are otherwise less active orally (obviously a comparison between morph BA increase (2x) and side alkaloids must be made.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 13:51:45 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the seeds I have right now smell just like play doh and they're abnormally potent. I can't say yet but once I get a yield I'll update, but I'm assuming 14-16% possibly even more. me and my friend get trashed from 150-200 grams.
Frederick Hagglemud - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:51:28 EST ID:88xovRDY No.583496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck you. I did exactly what you said, 275 F, 30 minutes, and the water didn't even evaporate. It took almost 2 hours to evaporate, and all I was left with was burnt shit stuck to my pan. Fucking hack I'm withdrawing so hard and I wait for you stupid "science" to produce something different and it just fucks me over fuck I'm so fucking sick fuck you and fuck this nonsense everyone who says that this is a waste is right you're a son of a bitch 10/10 would get trolled again I'm so sick this isn't funny man wtf
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:05:42 EST ID:fk2UZGyF No.583497 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Haha got your ass. It's OK not everyone is capable of drying solutions in an oven. Maybe one day you will learn how : )
Frederick Hagglemud - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:39:12 EST ID:88xovRDY No.583499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I followed the instructions to a tee.
Gul Danar - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:43:27 EST ID:88xovRDY No.583500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Also fuck you for being a passive aggressive twat. If you want to be aggressive, just do it and don't pussyfoot around smileys and implied insults.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:52:53 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.583501 Ignore Report Quick Reply

what is that? are you still angered?

I had a nice reply written up to try and help out your self-imposed lil issue but nah, changed my mind. fuck u. I even wrote up a whole extra part to the process that would help yield better results and reasons why you fucked up but yea, nah. fuck u.

maybe drugs arent for you?

Molly Trotdale - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:31:08 EST ID:N91wDl3E No.583503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I too have an impossible time evaporating water in an oven, takes many many hours or cooks product. maybe hunters mom has a really nice oven
Hunter S. Nodson - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 10:15:03 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583530 Ignore Report Quick Reply

my mom has the nicest oven, but if I had access to my dads...boy would I be in PST powder business.

I used a tiny, extremely shitty oven that is falling apart. like it is seriously bad, the temps are rarely accurate so I have to use a thermometer.

i've never had issues drying water in it though.. I have a business that is literal revolved around that and we use water as a solvent. My apartment might have shitty appliances but it gets the job done. The key is to put THIN layers and keep a temp between 275-325 F or else it will take light years to evaporate. you can also throw some ethanol or isopropyl in the mix to speed things up. I've done this a ton of times with PST and never had any issues with evaporation, it took maybe 45-60 min each run.
Hunter S. Nodson - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 12:12:40 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
oh fuck, forgot to add.

you will know when it is at the perfect temperature, there will be NO bubbles else it is in close proximity to the boiling point. if you see bubbles, that is no good and means it is too hot. you want the liquid itself to be at around 180-190 degrees.

you can tell it is at the temp if you see a lot of steam coming off of it, not like "came out of the microwave" steam but a nice steady thick flow of steam. If you are concerned about it being burned, use a solution of water/isopropyl alcohol (or ethanol but ethanol has a higher evap point) at a ratio of 5:1. so for every 100ml of water you should have 20ml of iso or ethanol. I suggest adding it after you ran the PST to avoid pulling fats/waxes/tannins.

also make sure to use the widest pyrex you have so the most surface area is exposed at once and keep it on the rack closer to the bottom burner. nb
Shit Finkinfud - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:46:34 EST ID:cbXJ46oj No.583730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Could detail the process from scraping it to plugging it a bit more? Like do you dissolve it in water? put it in an oral syringe? what's the consistency of the scrapped material like?

thanks for responding btw. I'm hoping you haven't forgotten the stuff I'm asking but even if you did, I appreciate the thought.

I don't think the side alkaloids are too worrisome.
Considering I'm adjusting this for the increase in morphine, as long as the gap between their oral and anal BAs is less than morphine's gap (2-3x) then they should be comparatively less active than the equivalent morphine dose orally. I hope I managed to get my point across but I realize it may be less than clear.
Cyril Mittingludging - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:31:42 EST ID:6hLaSPik No.583739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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How do i ween off this stuff guys? Ist it best to go cold turkey or what?
I use about 10-16 oz a dose.
I can handle the physical symptoms for the most part, but the hardest part is the depression i feel. How long will i feel that way? I know there are some drugs i can get from my doctor to help me through this. What are those? Where do i go to get them, what do they do? (i have benzos at my disposal currently)

I know these are questions for detox, but pst is a little different im sure.

Please help guys,
Shit Fandleset - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:53:17 EST ID:qy1py3dm No.583749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lyrica/ gapapentin (weaker version of lyrica) are a godsend for opi WD. lyrica gets rid of literally 95% of WD. it's too good to be true (plus it has a high of it's own). If i were to get one drug from a doc it would be that. plus they quite liberally dish it out. let the doc know how much lyrica helps with WD and make him give you a limited but substantial amount (1000-2000mg), that way he can't say "but you'll get addicted" or whatever. (btw 150-300mg is a good first dose for lyrica)

Lyrica isn't that well known for opi WD yet, but i'm sure it will only continue to become a more popular option. When I was in the middle of PST WD last year, it helped me so goddamn much it was amazing.

i've never been able to go full cold turkey from PST. it lasts too long and it's way too restless and it drives me insane. I suspect that tapering/ weening is a pretty popular detox option for PST. I'm withdrawing from PST right now and I'm at day 15. the first few days I had to use 300g (my original habit was 1.5kg) at night just to sleep. It was definitely worth doing those tapered doses just to cope. Don't regret it one bit. Then I would go down to 200 and 100 etc until now where I'm doing nothing (finally). Go as fast or slow as you want, but always be making progress- that's the most important thing.

Hopefully your WD doesn't last an ungodly amount of time like mine. After all, your habit is like 1/3 of mine and hopefully you haven't been using for more than a year. the WD could be over in a week, it could be over in two weeks. It could be mild and slow or sharp and fast. All really depends on what's going on in your body/ how slow/fast you taper and what you're prepared to face.
Martin Blatherdale - Wed, 23 Aug 2017 00:09:42 EST ID:6hLaSPik No.583758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what are the symptoms like on that day my dude? I didn't realise it lasted that long. When do they stop? What are they like? I thought the worst was over at like day 5. When does the worst come?
Shit Fandleset - Wed, 23 Aug 2017 03:23:39 EST ID:qy1py3dm No.583762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel pretty good. Should be completely over in another 24-36 hours. basically just sneezing and some mild body fatigue left.

it lasted that long for me because I had a huge habit which was going for like 2 years. also because I did a mild taper, therefore It took longer.

You'll have to see for yourself how you react to WD. it's different for a lot of people, but restlessness and fatigue were my worst two symptoms. Could be very different for you, never know.

your WD could be a lot shorter than mine. I'd say the acute WD is over in 3-5 days and then the rest is just kind of a malaise that drags on. But yeah you should experience for yourself and find out. I don't want to make it seem too daunting because my habit was WAY bigger than yours and it could be easier for you. Either way, WD is always a bitch and it always sucks.

long lasting opiates= long lasting withdrawals. but hopefully it doesn't last too long for you.
Dr. Mario - Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:50:54 EST ID:EtVnt2pk No.583790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh hey sorry.
I'm not a scientist so others can discuss creating extract.

If it's solid, dissolve in 2-10ml of water. Personally I use a 5ml and fill it ~70% of the way or so. Shake until its dissolved. Use LUBE seriously silicone lube for constipation is Godsend, insert a few inches, squirt, pull out and lay on side.

I realized recently I do it different than most. I removed the sharp tip and dulled it completely. Some people only insert the sharp tip but that's way more tissue damage than less width than a finger inserting it.

If I have to use heroin or pharma morphine I plug it, apart from bumps to try new H.

I look at my beautiful veins daily and thank myself for not IVing.

I would just try to make PST stack washes like 5lb, wash the seconds for regular oral use, Evap the liquid as low temp as possible, then plug.

Problem is, for me, more than 20ml won't jive. 10ml is excess too.

Unless you can get efficient product, it's not worth the time IMO.

The bright side is you can add pure benz powder to your plugged shots.

You plug your stims right?
Bombastus Werrywag - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 00:18:20 EST ID:NA+K7Pxd No.583794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'm not a scientist
No but you're willing to search out new methods and think outside of the box which makes you better fitted for this type. This kinda stuff is better done without scientist's practical knowledge bullshit that adheres to the rules.

God damn they're annoying these days with that.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:29:51 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583818 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I got reemed a few posts up for suggesting a different method of PST evaporation so I don't even blame him. God damn conformity! Get off my fuckin opi lawn!
Priscilla Blollerwun - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:00:58 EST ID:cbXJ46oj No.583826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
as far as creating the extract, I assumed you either evapped a standard wash or did an iso wash.

my problem would always be getting it to dissolve. I was using a plastic oral syringe and also tried a cleaned out fleet enema thing (it's like a small baby bottle but with a one way valve and nozzle on the end), but with both of them the extract would just end up sticking to the walls. maybe an actual syringe would work better, might try that. now that any failed tries will end up with me in WDs (only ever have a single oral dose at a time) I can't really afford to fail.

as for benzo powder, is there any point to plugging that? All I've got are Kpins (like an ass ton of them) and they aren't very water soluble. Getting them to kick in more quickly would be great though, the hour long come up time is pretty lame.

not much of a stim guy personally, although I do wanna plug coke. not gonna shoot up so it's as close as I can get. Also interested in oral coke, basically anything to make it last longer/smoother. actually I've been playing around with my own time release formula but I've yet to get it to release smoothly (ends up dumping all at once now, might have to go the half instant half delayed route but that seems like a cop out to me). unfortunately I haven't had any stimms since I tried plugging.

anyways thanks for trying to help but I think I'm just gonna give it up, not making any progress and can't really afford to experiment.

rigor helps science, not hurts it. the reason we have tons of people "experimenting" on themselves and still don't know jack shit about most things is because of the lack of rigor. How are we supposed to know if x method is more effective than y method if neither is properly documented? if none of the variables have been controlled for?

theres only so much you can learn from the typical "yeah it felt like it was stronger but I'd had a few bars so maybe that was it who knows?", at a certain point you learn not to trust people's reports on the internet because ~40% are actually retarded and will placebo themselves into anything, ~40% are just flat out lying for god only knows why, and ~20% aren't retarded or lying but most of them are near constant polydrug users so good luck extrapolating anything useful out of that.

not saying academia doesn't have a ton of it's own problems but if someone managed to get the funding they could knock out most of my drug questions in a couple of months, whereas with the internet I'll never really know until someone decides to do a really legit amateur experiment.
Priscilla Blollerwun - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:03:32 EST ID:cbXJ46oj No.583827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
btw I wasn't saying that he should keep quiet about extraction because he's not a scientist. I say post everything and let the people reading it decide for themselves whether or not it's legit. Although I totally understand self censorship for the sake of avoiding people's bitching.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:58:15 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583833 Ignore Report Quick Reply

since no one is really answering it, the method I used for good quality PST is the same as making regular PST except a few things:

  1. Use way less water, do triple washes with the same water to get it as concentrated as possible using as little water as you can. Make sure you use citric acid as I find it to work a lot better.
  2. Use very cold water, like just below freezing. It helps pull less fats/waxes/tannins. Just make sure to do multiple washes so you don't miss any goodies.
  3. Let it settle out for a few hours to help the solids settle to the bottom and then retrieve the top layer.
  4. Use a micron filter to filter it out
  5. When drying it out, use a wide pyrex and put very thin layers. Its better to keep drying thin layers than wait for a huge thick layer to dry out.

this should yield straight up powder, no resin gunky bullshit. easily dissolves in water and is great for plugging. if you want to smoke it put a drop of water on it once its on your smoking apparatus and stir it so its kind of gunky.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:04:09 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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fucking good quality PST **EXTRACT. isn't even really extract tho. if you want something even more pure, after you settle it out and filter, put it in a pot and simmer with coconut oil and agitate it. then stick it in the fridge and remove or filter the coconut oil out. bam, defatted PST powder. in fact I think I might do this when I get home and I'll post my results. pic related, top layer is morphine HCl precipitate (with stupid coffee filter fibers stuck in it from my retarded self) and the bottom is PST powder from the method described minus the defat stage.
Priscilla Blollerwun - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 15:49:11 EST ID:cbXJ46oj No.583845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah that's the basic method I used last time to underwhelming results (part was tarry and couldn't be plugged, part was flaky and didn't dissolve at all, ended up in the toilet a few hours after I plugged). I don't use citric acid but other than that it's essentially the same process.

Maybe the acid helps form some salts that could make it easier to work with though? I doubt it but PST chemistry is currently a black box to me. I would love to find out why it lasts so damn long but I don't think that grant proposal would get very far.

or maybe the trick is the really cold water (or the micron filter, I always just use coffee filters. have a 25 micron filter bag but I haven't used it yet; it's fairly thick and I'm afraid it'd absorb a decent amount of liquid). Living in Texas means I'll have to put some in the fridge or something since the tap doesn't get cold this time of year.

anyways, thanks for the advice. /opi/ best board as always.

btw I've tried vaping the extract from this stuff in my DBV but I've never tried to extract more than a single oral dose at once so it always ended up too weak. I was puffing on it for a while without noticeable results but I didn't have much in there. I think if I concentrated it some more then vaping it like weed (lower temp obvi) could be effective. Hopefully someone will find this helpful, considering how much fucking product I've wasted learning all this.
Priscilla Blollerwun - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:00:14 EST ID:cbXJ46oj No.583846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
how much does defatting change the consistency? I think defatting would help a lot for smoking but I don't think it'll make a huge difference for plugging, does that seem right to you or do you think I'm overlooking something?

none of my extracts have looked anything like that bottom picture, which looks perfect, so I'm going to try to follow your method exactly. I am a little worried about how much the speed of evaporation plays in to the end product (in my experience, it plays a huge role in the end products consistency; the slower the evap the gooier the end product), since I have a super shitty oven.

sorry to keep bugging you after you've already posted step by step instructions and everything.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:01:05 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
coffee filters are actually more fine than 25 micron bags. so you're better off using the coffee filters. the best thing to use are quantitative filters in different grades. I think the cold water helps because it makes the fats less soluble and they get filtered out, which would account for the lack of sticky/resiny texture at the end.

the citric acid doesn't form salts, I believe it just helps pull the morphine as some alkaloids are more soluble in acidic environments than neutral/basic. Yeah for cold water it has to be close to freezing, like right when it starts to form ice crystals.

and as far as vaping goes, its very very finicky. I still haven't found a method that is good for vaping besides chasing it off foil. I think the trick is to eliminate as much fats and undesirables as possible (reason for cold water and excessive filtering) as it helps keep a more even vape without igniting the fats/oils/tannins/whatever. anytime dude!
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:03:35 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583848 Ignore Report Quick Reply

defatting changes the consistency quite a bit, if you end up with resiny shit usually it will probably be powder if its defatted. It does not make much of a difference for plugging unless youre having solubility issues since less fats means it wont stick to the surface of your syringe or whatever.

speed of evaporation is super important, put very very THIN layers. I'm talking barely visible. and just do that over and over or put multiple pyrexes at once. that is one of the most important parts IMO, also don't put the temp too low but not too high, around 180-200 degrees internally is perfect.
Priscilla Blollerwun - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:24:47 EST ID:cbXJ46oj No.583850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the citric acid doesn't form salts
yeah? doesn't seem worth it then, morphine is so soluble in water normally that it'll never be the limiting factor. also, I don't think acidity actually helps with morphine solubility, as long as it's not ~9 (morphine precipitates around there, forget where exactly). I vaguely remember someone somewhere saying that you should avoid some specific acid in PST because it'll acetylate the codeine into something gross but my organic chem knowledge is pretty bad honestly so I'm just gonna go no acid.

>speed of evaporation is super important
That's what I thought, still sucks to hear though. My oven is super shitty (off by at least 100 degrees, totally inconsistent, can't maintain a temperature to save it's life) so that's probably to blame on why my extracts always end up fucky
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:40:25 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583853 Ignore Report Quick Reply

it helps a lot. the solubility increases as the pH is lowered. there's a bunch of studies on this topic. It isn't a limiting factor but it allows you to saturate your aqueous solution more so than if the pH was higher, allowing you to use less water.

morphine precipitates at 9.1 so you're right. you're thinking of acetic anhydride (anhydrous acetic acid) that will acetylate codeine, which unless you are making heroin I don't think you'll have that issue. It might be possible with GAA too but idk that much, someone will come and correct me tho.

man my oven door hangs on by a thread, trust me its possible haha. my oven is probably the same shittiness and I've done a lot of extractions in it. it just means you have to check on it more often and make sure the burners don't get too hot. for more consistency I would put the pyrex on the top rack away from the burner and just put the temp up, this causes the burners to not flash on and off every 5 min and helps maintain a more even temp in the oven.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:47:06 EST ID:F5HmbHQj No.583854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I stnad corrected on the forming salts part, I actually think it does form morphine citrate. sorry bout that man.
press !XIxc6BpKnU - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:11:44 EST ID:iRKaUaoR No.583857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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since you already referenced that article id like to point out that morphine is less prone to oxidation at a lower pH. i find it somewhat poetic that a direct oxidation product of morphine is bimorphine/pseudomorphine, consisting of two morphine molecules fused. i also seem to recall that citric acid especially lowers oxidation, but tbh i am pretty fucking high right now.

adding ethanol in order to speed up evaporation doesnt really work unless you add ethanol thats more concentrated than at its azeotropic point.

and while fats wont really dissolve any morphine -neither salts nor freebase- i dont think defattening is really necessary at all unless you soak seeds too long.

and the sludge that settles after adding calcium hydroxide, or even better calcium oxide, should in fact be filtered and pressed instead of simply decanting off the supernactant liquid. and after the addition of whatever calcium stuff the pH should be 11.5 so adding ammonia wont do shit to lower the pH. the afghans use ammonium chloride because its weakly acidic
i wish people would stop using bigd's method.
press !XIxc6BpKnU - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:15:51 EST ID:iRKaUaoR No.583858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ffs. meant to say that defattening isnt really necessary and if at all it should rather be done with a non polar solvent after filtering the the calcium morphinate solution since then youd also get rid of most other opiates except for codeine.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:04:14 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.583862 Ignore Report Quick Reply

i think you're misreading the posts a bit, we're talking about just evaporating PST not necessarily isolating morphine. my pic prob confused you I just felt like including it because it was semi relevant.

huh really? I was under the impression it is linear with the evap temps depending on the percent. I could be confusing it with freezing though. but yea no caoh2 here, he's interested in just PST puddy/powder. but I agree, I wasn't a huge fan of that method as it seems a lot less forgiving then others. to his credit, its one of the only commonly available guide I've come across that isn't hard to follow.

but one thing though, why wouldn't ammonia do shit? unless you add a shit ton of CaOH2 the pH should be no higher than 9.5-10. I didn't have a problem lowering the pH in my experience. What do you think of using citric acid to lower the pH after basifying?
press !XIxc6BpKnU - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:42:30 EST ID:iRKaUaoR No.583865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yeah no im just rambling about how much is dislike bigd's guide

its not linear but i was talking shit anyways.
its linear for ideal mixtures, with binary solutions in which cohesion and adhesion are equal, but raoults law doesnt apply to solutions that form azeotropes
you basically have to read the given chart by going up from the alcohol concentration of your pst after you added the ethanol until you hit the liquid curve, then go horizontaly to the vapour graph and then straight down to read how much EtOH/water the vapour will contain. so if you add 20mL EtOH per 100mL of soup youd evaporate at something like 89°C and the vapour would be about 67% alcohol.
so while it would have an effect itd be not really eclatant. you can however rinse wet glassware with shit like ethanol or acetone to make it dry quicker and cleaner.

ive never used ammonia and ive got no idea how its supposed to lower the pH, but im just a peasant engineer, maybe some strange buffering, youd have to ask someone smarter. howd you measure your pH anyways.

with NH4Cl you let excess calcium hydroxid react to Calcium chlorid and free ammonia and water.

with citric acid youd form calcium citrate and water, calcium citrate should be an alkaline salt, so youd need more. it should work i think, but youd have to watch out since calcium citrate itself falls out of solution if its heated too much.

a tangent: citric acid is used to decalcify stuff since it reacts with the calcium carbonate to form a water soluble complex which however decomposes at elevated temps. thats why shills sell you special decalcifier for coffee machines

i hope any of that made sense, too drunk to chemistry
Nathaniel Blecklelet - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:14:32 EST ID:itPI27KG No.583869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's never too late to get on ULDN/LDN. I've been on it for a few months now and it made getting off a lot easier since it significantly reduces WD symptoms for me. On that I'd stretch my dosing schedule by adding another day in between every dose. It's a little hard because the CRAVING is still there, especially when I'm just idle and bored (albeit, greatly reduced), but the physical symptoms are more than manageable; fatigue, restlessness, and insomnia are pretty much gone once you get on a regular ULDN dosing schedule. From there it's just like you're dealing with a moderate cold. I went from dosing every other day (9-11oz with no nods) and feeling WDs coming on soon after 24 hours, to once a week, and then eventually to three weeks sober without any issue other than some residual gastro stuff (this seems to last the longest). The best thing about it is that it allows you to function relatively normally even when you're technically in "WD."

I mean eventually I was back on my bullshit and binged out before school started (dosing every other day for two weeks), but the ULDN had some pretty obvious anti-dependence effects. The worst I got were sneezing and runny nose and a bit of sweating on the 2nd and 3rd day. WDs seem to come in "waves" rather than relentlessly all at once and all the time, peculiarly kind of like how it was when I first started using PST (a "recoil" effect in the days after dosing). By the 4th day they were all gone.

I could sing praises for ULDN/LDN all day. It's not perfect and you won't magically be able to use PST every day without consequence, but it slows down dependence a shit ton and potentiates decently well. Unfortunately the "tolerance reversal" effect that people talk about seems to be quite overstated; I haven't experienced any real reversal effect, but there is a noticeable "tolerance resistance" effect since I haven't had to up my dosage to get the same effects.
Hunter S. Nodson - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:19:18 EST ID:SrJE9oy1 No.583870 Ignore Report Quick Reply

thanks for that graph, that will actually come in handy. for some reason I was under the impression the EtOH and water do not form azeotropes but I'm pretty sure I was thinking of acetic acid and water (despite everyone saying it does form, I've yet to find something that confirms it).

ammonium chloride is acidic because of the hydronium ionization with water (the NH4) producing excess H+ ions. ammonium hydroxide is a weak base because of the OH- ions but doesn't fully dissociate from the aqueous solution (same with nh4cl). since NH3 is extremely soluble in water, its easier to reach the point of saturation where there aren't any more protons to donate compared to other weak bases or acids. at least that is my understanding but I don't have any education in this shit beyond basic college courses so I could be way off, esp the second part. so take it with a grain of salt, hopefully someone corrects me so I can learn if it is off.

huh, makes me wonder if a portion of my "morphine" was contaminated with calcium citrate, although I never heated the solution up. My final product had a funky taste, very alkali and tingly. But it wasn't calcium hydroxide. Possible ammonia salts? idk.

>with NH4Cl you let excess calcium hydroxid react to Calcium chlorid and free ammonia and water.
this confused me, because free ammonia is very soluble in water, wouldn't it just go back into NH4 and not NH3 until equilibrium is reached?

nb, I'm starting to get way ahead of myself
Sidney Willerstock - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:39:47 EST ID:LCKLEEVN No.583876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wew thanks a lot lad--I figured out the vendor, and will make a large purchase soon.
Theophrastus Werrywag - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:25:45 EST ID:NA+K7Pxd No.583877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People often think Acetic Acid azeotropes with water but it's hard to measure since it just hydrogen bonds with water very well.
It's boiling point is also around 120 degrees so even fractional distillation sets have a very big problem separating them without the hydrogen bonds. But with them, it's pretty much nearly impossible.

As a result, any concentration of acetic acid in water will remain the same with simple or small fractional distillation. 3% vinegar will distill off at 3% acetic acid and so will 30% to 30%.
Theophrastus Werrywag - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:32:38 EST ID:NA+K7Pxd No.583878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't be a poopnose, Press.

It's not badly written and some of the science just works. But there are some things we don't need to know in life. Like if yeast synthesised morphine will ever be commercially viable. Ammonium Chloride could work just as well as Ammonia and you know it.

Citric acid would compete with the morphine and may or may not be more competitive. If you really want to remove the calcium, it would be worth getting EDTA which is one of the more potent chelators out there.
press !XIxc6BpKnU - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 06:08:38 EST ID:kcNJ5Dgs No.583896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i get all the poopy i want.
Dr. Mario - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:16:39 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.583906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Sorry that I respect scientists. A lot.

My education is the furthest thing from hard science. This is self-initiated, self censorship.

Nodson did a better job than I, and I expected someone to.

Let's pick up our Hmorph convo relative to WD? Hope you're well. I'm better.
Charlotte Puddlestock - Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:15:23 EST ID:VlEcx04j No.583908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
blue... average...
navy mean?
cyan medium-ish?
Ernest Gibbernone - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:42:06 EST ID:IZSFrvIG No.583935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Found em. Thanks, homie.

If you're seriously not smart enough to find the vendor with all the clues dropped, YOU ARE the type of person we're trying to keep from ruining shit.
Mario - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:21:44 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.583937 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Don't worry buddy, I'm fucking lost too.

Been running the word combinations all day long
Mario - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:21:44 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.583938 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Don't worry buddy, I'm fucking lost too.

Been running the word combinations all day long
Mario - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:24:09 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.583939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hahaha found it. Feel retarded now.
Panda5 - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:18:59 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.583941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just ordered some wgn from the river (they just restocked, which is a concern); the 6# bags have been getting mixed reviews recently so I went with a 4#. I'll report back on monday.
Ian Fuckingfoot - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:17:39 EST ID:fHbDtnR5 No.583943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>that moment when you go from plumber to doctor
Angus Nunderbury - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:16:39 EST ID:ZQhl0+MY No.583953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks a lot, Q Pretty fucking cool that they show when they expect to get more in stock.
Panda5 - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 13:46:25 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.584009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm almost certain that this bag is bunk (08/18 wgn river), the taste was something I've never experienced before, like watered-down milk almost. I'll post back if I'm wrong.
Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:52:02 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.584018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I got a 6lb in from the river yesterday.

I would rate it a 2-2.5/10, NOT GOOD. First washes taste like normal second washes, and I have to stack double washes for it to taste halfway normal. No bag/unique smell, just not bitter enough at all, like barely.

08/18 as well, and we get them from the same distributor warehouse. I would stay away from 6lb wgn via river if they ship out of KY/OH area...try ordering 10lb through the Whale, that way it's cheaper, likely older stock, and in 5lb bags.

Goodluck. I'm waiting another few hours for the Lord Voldemort (LV) brand to hopefully stock up when it says it should.

Gl on your seeds you guys. I'm finished playing the poppy seed slot machine for a while. Once my Pink Elephant kratom is in, I'm just going to do kratom+ULDN until my tolerance goes down again.

>Wait months for Panda to hit me back on an app
>Device in now broken anyways lol


It'll keep them guessing for eons. It's not like 1800lb of seeds is enough stock to share with clownville anyways.

>Q/Panda/Nodson you around? Q I can hop on IRC for your bday
Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:52:02 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.584019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I got a 6lb in from the river yesterday.

I would rate it a 2-2.5/10, NOT GOOD. First washes taste like normal second washes, and I have to stack double washes for it to taste halfway normal. No bag/unique smell, just not bitter enough at all, like barely.

08/18 as well, and we get them from the same distributor warehouse. I would stay away from 6lb wgn via river if they ship out of KY/OH area...try ordering 10lb through the Whale, that way it's cheaper, likely older stock, and in 5lb bags.

Goodluck. I'm waiting another few hours for the Lord Voldemort (LV) brand to hopefully stock up when it says it should.

Gl on your seeds you guys. I'm finished playing the poppy seed slot machine for a while. Once my Pink Elephant kratom is in, I'm just going to do kratom+ULDN until my tolerance goes down again.

>Wait months for Panda to hit me back on an app
>Device in now broken anyways lol


It'll keep them guessing for eons. It's not like 1800lb of seeds is enough stock to share with clownville anyways.

>Q/Panda/Nodson you around? Q I can hop on IRC for your bday
Hunter S. Nodson - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 16:15:01 EST ID:a1WEtajM No.584026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
im on steam mane, triple6tittyfucker
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:19:13 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.584044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hey if youre down to chat for a bit id be down. irc kinda a pain to set up for me here but maybe we could chat on btube for a bit. it has been too long since we talked. just lemme a time youll be on there to check and ill try and be on as close to that as possible. L/V i think works fine. i like it.

and yah panda if it tastes like that its basically garbage. ive had some batches like that and they were close to inactive really.
Barnaby Cruvinghall - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:41:37 EST ID:4tiEjbES No.584045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just got in a 50lb bag from Food to Live, and fuck~ this thing has no info on it at all. i looked all over the bag and the inner bag but found none. someone please tell me how to find out when my seeds expire, are they actually from england etc

Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:59:48 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.584048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please don't use the full name so that our corner of the internet isn't cataloged with FTL on google :)

thank you.


I'm free rn (8pm) and I'll check in and out on here until 10pm at least. There's a lot to discuss since last time.

You'll get a message eventually Nodson; I just don't use steam often. Soon
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:01:03 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.584049 Ignore Report Quick Reply
depends on what kind of bag it is. is there any printing on it that u can see? most of my 50 lb bags have very little or no printing on them but most have like the best by date at a minimum usually printed in smallish lettering on the bottom underside of the bag. check the top where ud open it and the bottom where its standing on.
Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:03:45 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.584050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hey theres no b tube

I'm in "Fuck you biped robots are too practical" Mobile Suit Gundam chat. I'm the only one in it- 1 or 2 peeps.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:06:51 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.584051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
oh word ill jump on in like 5-10 mins then so like 8:15-20 for u.
Angus Chidgeway - Tue, 29 Aug 2017 13:13:14 EST ID:5Am1xJVY No.584081 Ignore Report Quick Reply
rip those in wd w/o iodine b12 and olive oil. ;n
Dr. M - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 03:11:08 EST ID:TzqR1cQw No.584193 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>2 week delay on LV


weep with me friends
Panda5 - Fri, 01 Sep 2017 15:26:01 EST ID:nqvLVjiz No.584258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just ordered 4# FTL(E) direct. FTL used to be my favorite brand for 2 years and I've heard they've been good again very recently.
John Closhway - Fri, 01 Sep 2017 20:06:08 EST ID:vG3/kJB6 No.584271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Any of yall know if TNT and SB are still good? Thinking about trying those since seeds seem to be weak as of late.
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 10:45:14 EST ID:BGNk+baw No.584284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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SB used to be sooo good, then they went to shit; off the river. I mean the first couple bags I tried were just as good, if not better, than the Oct/Nov 2016 SN seeds of last year, then they went to shit when I ordered a 25 pounder. And from what I hear, TNT is as good as a double up of decent seeds from the top three but at almost two or even three times the cost, but they're consistent.

Pic re some good SB I still have, then they went to a shitty orange color or worthlessness and still are from the reviews I read.
Lillian Honeyspear - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 20:43:29 EST ID:vG3/kJB6 No.584312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah the reviews I've seen have been pretty mixed. Just dosed 1lb of SB actually, pretty sure they're bunk, they smelled peppery and everything but i went ahead and did it cuz i was craving hard. It was a very light wash, like yellow clear, and although it tasted peppery at first, it started to taste more and more bitter as I kept drinking. So I hope this works, i know it prob wont and I'll have to end up using my Wally WGN, which isn't good either but keeps me well at least
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Sun, 03 Sep 2017 17:43:23 EST ID:CIEz6Gc5 No.584346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah, I've been ordering my WGN's off WM recently as well and while it may not be the best, at less than three dollars per pound with two-day shipping for something that'll probably knock you out for less than nine, it's still pretty decent; though it may only keep you well, it's still definitely cheaper than even buying prescribed meds from a pharmacy with no RX insurance or even buying likely fent laced dope from Dave, the dopeman.

Speaking of which, just bought another 10lbs WGN off WM, which I'll review, with Red Balls & Lemon Juice and maybe, next time, WGFJ, so at the price with the convenience it's pretty decent - It also appears that even FTL may be cheaper there than the river IIRC, but I don't know the quality of FTL there and I've not had really any recent practice with them. Thinking of buying SN direct but don't want to shell out $115 for 25lbs to get free shipping of mayhap bunk or $24 + $11s&h for five pounds.. I was also gonna order some LV but as Dr. M said, another delay..

>Has anyone ordered from SN direct recently, and if so know the quality? I heard from one source that it's somewhat better than WGN and much better than the SN off the river, for whatever reason; you know the seed game. .
Panda5 - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 14:34:34 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.584397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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® flt(e) - 4# - direct
® Exp. 10-2019
® Smell, seed appearance, wash appearance, taste, etc are like I've never seen before - it's as if a great batch was mixed 50/50 with a bunk batch.

I just drank 1/2-lb worth, will report back soon! I haven't seen a review of this expiration date anywhere yet.
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:03:23 EST ID:/MXGHq6e No.584401 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Will review soon for this is clearly 7.5-8/10

I haven't rated that high since 2016, and the closest was 6.75.
Panda5 - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:50:00 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.584402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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[Review Continued]

● Effects: ... 6/10

Pleasantly surprised, these definitely work but aren't the strongest batch wver.
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 05:38:33 EST ID:/MXGHq6e No.584419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>short review: 7.5/10
>best seeds I've had since 2016
>the second best were the 5.5lb SN first batch, which was a 6.75/10.

I'm so glad I got great seeds. I got more euphoria from just 12oz compared to say 24-36oz of 3.5/10 WGN easily.

I'm going to take it slow like I mentioned. So I'll slam 1.5-2lb tomorrow (best to do it in a row for me WD wise not exceeding 2 days) as I wanted to do today but couldn't due to distractions. Then it's waiting another full 10 days instead for say 6, + ULDN, + I only use ~12g Kratom once per three days (I use 1.5g daily with my ULDN to combat side effects),if I intend to get energy from it.

I need to buy a couple quarter kilos of various red veins. They feel better for you hardcore tolerance people. Kratom helps with cravings SO MUCH 2-3x/week when I am at risk to lapse.

Using just 1.5g Kratom to negate ULDN raising daily, and 12g 1-2/week gives me the tools to avoid relapse. In a few cycles I'll raise it to 14 day wait where it belongs anyway.

My pink elephant blend feels like a 50/50 white/green vein, though I believe there's all 3 inside?

>get up to 50-70mcg ULDN daily split into 2 doses with 1.5g Kratom each
>PST twice monthly
>get Kratom big dose down to weekly so it alternates

This will be much better. I'll start 30mg dxm too.
Hamilton Werringlore - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 09:31:50 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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How can I make poppy seed opium?

I have 5lbs of some fire seeds. Also how much would a "dosage" of oral opium be?

I just want to condense it to a small amount so I don't have a 5lb bag of fucking poppy seeds taking up kitchen space
Hamilton Werringlore - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 09:36:31 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584425 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What size filter?
Hunter S. Nodson - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 14:28:10 EST ID:BMjCWIi4 No.584429 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wrote a guide earlier in the thread if you ctrl+f "hunter s nodson". It's easy and gets you some pretty nice stuff that isn't hunky resin shittt.
Hamilton Werringlore - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:33:22 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584435 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Thanks, Where did you get a 1 mircon filter?

I used to be able to get those syringe filters and use them to shoot roxy's but I got fired from the hospital for that and I can't obtain them anymore.

Any other things you could use that is CLOSE to a 1mircron filter?
breakabond - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:35:45 EST ID:Kvmq4Jha No.584436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll sell you my red kilos that don't work for me.
Hunter S. Nodson - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 17:14:34 EST ID:UYkXiBcG No.584439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Coffee filter is your best bet, it's 10-14 microns iirc. You can order micron bag filters off amazon. Good luck mane
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Wed, 06 Sep 2017 17:40:36 EST ID:/MXGHq6e No.584440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
my fucking puppy deleted my post

fuck this
Phoebe Bunkinchid - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 21:17:57 EST ID:biJxSzWJ No.584503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Trying this
Esther Hagglestack - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 22:24:26 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So far so good
Esther Hagglestack - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 22:26:00 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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2nd wash, This is from a 4.5/5 5lb SN bag I got from the UK last year.
Esther Hagglestack - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 22:58:34 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How long did it take to evaporate off?
Edward Sabblehene - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 23:07:28 EST ID:BzxV+slY No.584510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>fully compromised by the aforementioned retards in the Amazon comments going "10/10 seeds, great morphine content, got high as fuck"
>10/10 seeds, great morphine content, got high as fuck

Fucking lost it mate.
Esther Hagglestack - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 03:48:26 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584519 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I forever am grateful for your existence sir.

Got some powder-ish extract evaporating as we speak, I filtered it twice with coffee filters because I couldn't find micron filters besides the ones for R/O water systems. Maybe I was searching the wrong thing?

Anyway, I can see the powder drying on the edges.

I'm drunk and tired as all fuck but I'll post the powder yield update tomorrow.

I used about 4lbs of some FIRE 4.5/5 SN seeds I bought last year I was saving in case I ever injured because I don't have insurance.

I'm drunk so I'll finish evaporating it off tomorrow
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 12:40:53 EST ID:/MXGHq6e No.584536 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>What is google logistics connecting this site to the brands because idiots like you use the full name
press !XIxc6BpKnU - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:30:13 EST ID:zrzQohyx No.584538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i dont know how often you PST peeps -im not looking down on you- find new brands and im not sure who implements wordfilters, maybe captain james t. kirt himself, but perhaps by asking on /420/ cat planets might be implemented for brand names? i reckon unless mods can implement them too, its either going to be waaaay too slow to help or isnt going to happen at all, but its an idea. id venture to guess that the site "staff" also has an interest in not being too associated with such devilish drugs as poppy seeds. those kill! didnt some UK based DJ recently bite the bullet because of polyuse of PST? nb
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 16:22:32 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.584541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
new brands come and go but finding a new brand with prices that arent outrageous and seeds that arent shit and that has a regular stock doesnt happen very often. So the thing about google linking to 420chan when people search for poppy seed brands does actually have an impact. Implementing cat planets for all the most common brands would probably help but thatd be at least 3 new planets ideally more like 4 or 5. idk might be worth asking, ive got no idea what the chances are itd get approved though. good thought
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 03:48:08 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude are you the guy who hit me up from circlejerk? Just wondering.

Can you please not say that obscure shit? Jesus Christ we have a sooper sekrit acronym for it already.

Please don't fuck this up dear lord; Q's got 2-3 other brands that are even better but guess what? Seeing how discreet people are about LV is/was a test to see if he should help the community even further. I'm going to surmise he's going to decide no. If you pay attention, several of us have already openly discussed how they're out of stock, yet were so discreet you were unable to notice.
Hugh Brabberseg - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 04:47:09 EST ID:C3KI3vDi No.584570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Honestly, I read this thread a few times over the course of a week or so.. I realize most people found the alluded to website, I just figured I'd post about it to try and get some information.

I've been using 420chan long enough to get sick of the s00per-d00per-sekrit code names that only us in the know can figure out :^)

At the same time, I realize there's some necessity to their usage and just as a force of a habit, I continue to obfuscate things, even though, in terms of poppy seeds, sources and vendors are not technically illegal, however, I think it's best to keep outright discussion of them to a minimal.

I know others have, but I don't wish to contribute to it..
M !gWLn19/oKs - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 05:04:26 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584572 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Just say LV bro. My logic is let the diligent ones reap the gold through their efforts. They only stock 1800lb at a time. That's nothing dude, That's 360 5 pound bags. Circlejerk could kill that in 40mins of mad dash ordering.

Does that sound fun to you? This isn't even a secret club issue, this is a supply:demand issue.
Hugh Brabberseg - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 05:12:45 EST ID:C3KI3vDi No.584573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The things you mentioned in your post, whilst you mentioned some words in your previous post, still do not mean a damned thing to me.

But at this point I'm fairly elevated on PST and drunk on both bourbon and vodka..

I hope you're having a nice night :^)
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 16:05:19 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's the Cliff Notes Version

>We were graced by the gods in being able to remove the first reference

>Don't even refer to it by any name but LV from now on Lord Voldemort

Have a good nice yourself. I convinced my dumb hick family to leave the hurricane after its hitting my home town direct and first.
Matilda Nallerhack - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 22:31:08 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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after evaporating.

Sorry I've been busy, I was going to post these yesterday.

I after I scraped it all off I was left with paint chip like consistency that I blended into a brown powder
Matilda Nallerhack - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 22:33:23 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Put the powder in 100 proof vodka and shook it for the first day then let it sit for two days to separate
Matilda Nallerhack - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 22:36:46 EST ID:K+4A7BeK No.584603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Pulled the top layer off and put it in bottles.

I don't do opiates/opioids often at all, The last time I did I think was 5 or 6 months ago.

I took 2 drops and was very nice and warm and relaxed. Zero pain, Good mood, Moderate euphoria. Took 3 more and felt GRRRREAT.

I'm wondering if the vodka would would burn if I wanted to put a couple drops in my butt next time. I put wine in my ass and that kind burned a bit, Like the day after eating something very spicy
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 23:01:56 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.584605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
putting it in your but will for sure burn and much worse than just wine
press !XIxc6BpKnU - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 07:32:34 EST ID:idHSXXMg No.584614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
if you dose in drops youd be wise to dilute with lukewarm water anyways before shoving it up your chocolate starfish, with that it shouldnt irritate your rectum too much nb
Shitting Drimmerkon - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 12:39:06 EST ID:+ZeXgJGy No.584615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Any new reviews on the latest batches from The River?

For the past couple months, I've been getting WGN brand. It's been consistently decent, which is great considering the price. I like to binge my seeds for like a week or 2 and wait a few weeks before getting more. However, binging WGN gives me weird side effects after days of repeated dosing (includes joint pain and nosebleeds), and this has me concerned with the chemical contents of WGN bags.

Anyway, the last brand I tried was a 2lb (is this when I'm supposed to say #2? i never understood that) FTL bag, because that's all that was available about a week ago. It was pretty dank, I'd say about 6.5/10 (compared to the consistent 4/10 WGN provides).

God I miss the days when SN was Der Poppyfuhrer of the River.
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 14:51:21 EST ID:z8RARA24 No.584617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I haven't been buying off the river recently; WGN's from WM have been really nice, but not so much as of late; they are now ~5/10 from the ~7/10 they have been, or ⅔ now of what they were.

Bought 10lbs off WM of SN & another 5lbs of WGN's, so we'll see how that goes since SN off the river won't be even stocked untill the 12th.
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 14:51:33 EST ID:BGNk+baw No.584618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I haven't been buying off the river recently; WGN's from WM have been really nice, but not so much as of late; they are now ~5/10 from the ~7/10 they have been, or ⅔ now of what they were.

Bought 10lbs off WM of SN & another 5lbs of WGN's, so we'll see how that goes since SN off the river won't be even stocked untill the 12th.
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 19:00:29 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I gave it my highest rating of 2017.

Shitting Donnerwill - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 00:01:27 EST ID:+ZeXgJGy No.584627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
O shit i hadn't considered ordering from WM...

Wait, what got your rating of 7.5? the FTL seeds?
Shitting Donnerwill - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 11:00:42 EST ID:+ZeXgJGy No.584649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just bought 4lbs WGN from the River, will update with a rating later today. The recent reviews are mixed, I hope I didn't just buy a one way ticket to Bunk City, lmao
Simon Dommerbury - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 23:59:32 EST ID:0HjEtSit No.584667 Ignore Report Quick Reply
8/18 WGN 0/10
No effects at all. Worst bag I've ever had. BRM seems to be on top of every company rn but go ahead and don't believe me lol, maybe I'm having bad luck with ftl, sn and WGN
Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 01:06:02 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Read up for my rating...

it was the now extinct 5.5lb SN River bag
Derluft !oCyNK.1Qtc - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 04:08:34 EST ID:4ritWzra No.584674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey, I'm not sure if the warehouse locations matter in quality, I believe they might but even more-so are the PRE-packaged seeds due to exp., but my 8/20/18 exp. WGN seeds are okay yet not great or even good; 7/18 exp. were 6.5/10 & the 8/18 exp. is ~4.5/10 now, so, as always, ymmv.

>What happened to LV, guys? Is it ANOTHER extension for the ETA or did it really get bought out that fast??
Rebecca Cladgepot - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 06:31:22 EST ID:Zv9DOes3 No.584677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have zero opiate tolerance and it takes 4 ounces of TNT seeds to feel anything, not even close to a nod.

I have read a few comments mentioning that 3-4/10 rated bags for the big 3 would make an opiates naive person sick at that dose. What gives?

(Also I can't figure out the the damned LV. I figured out all the rest in the thread. I read all the shit books and this one has me stumped.)
James Pittwill - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 10:52:36 EST ID:5EFWhwFz No.584683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Update: WGN bag I received is a solid 3/10. I'm not home tho so I don't know the exp date tho
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:42:42 EST ID:RJQQ78Jt No.584693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
my bet is this another extension. they might have stock stuck in customs in florida or something. If you email or call them im sure theyll tell you whats going on. Unless they really sold out that fast which seems unlikely its pretty lame they arent updating the in stock by notice until the very day theyre supposed to restock.

i do in fact have more sources i havent mentioned here. since its gonna be awhile before lv restocks apparently and there desperately needs to be more stronger competition in the market ill add a couple. that said im not willing to give up the goods outright or even hints for the best one. heres a couple that ive used before though, idk what the quality is like these days but they are still cheap. i cant think of any real good ways to obfuscate them so w/e i guess. one is a bulk restaurant supply and the other you can try finding from bulk intercontinental food supply. ok that second is actually a little hard but oh well.
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:20:52 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I contacted them. No answer yet.

I'm pissed too. Been following it like a hawk.

T break til then.
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:23:22 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's a guise acronym for Lord Voldemort.

Let us review it before it blows wide open. Chill bruh.
Simon Devinghall - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:54:28 EST ID:Nlwyzak6 No.584728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It is for fun like a puzzle. Chill bruh.
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:31:05 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584729 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Tt's cuz they only stock 1800lb and can't even handle that monthly. 10% of leddit would wipe them clean at that price within 4 hours tops. It would triple in price before that lets up, and even then...
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:42:54 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's one post (rest were mopped up) that has the actual hints. Just please don't share, as they don't have the stock. With WGN going to shit, FTL-E totally out of stock period, and SN only available direct and on the River in one small size (and even then it's 3x the normal wait time).

There's about ~6 of us watching it like a hawk and all intend to buy 50-150lb. Right there that's fucking 1/6-1/3 of their ENTIRE STOCK for possibly 2+ months, from 6 people. I know another dozen or so users who would for sure pounce on 100lb in a myriad of sizes to test the waters, so you see how this thing would not stay in stock for a day.
pills !zkraGArAss - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:57:36 EST ID:+aeyD10K No.584738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey /PSTG/ im back for a little bit and will do reviews where I can.
5/31/18 - Lot # T9R3A22547
1 Lb bag. Direct HQ

230G dose - 4/10 stopped my withdrawals
1lb dose with a lot of weed smoked - 6/10
Nowhere near the fire bag I got around christmas time/ new years last year.

Quick rundown for those eho dont remember me.
8 year opiate addict , everything but methadone
Mainly IV heroin.
Been off and on of either suboxone ot heroin for the past 2 years was about 72 hours clean from my last dose of 1.5mg of suboxone. I only took 1.5 a day for about 2 months and sometimes id go a couple days without taking any.

Anyway the bag has no euphoria, can catch a nod with mixing, decent for withdrawals.

I wrote a detailed trip report on a site we dont care for because sometimes this site is slow. But ill be posting everything here for now because fuck that place.

I bought more bags with overnight shipping so I will write some more reviews if theyre different. Hopefully they have some different lot numbers since its a bunch of 1lb bags.

I cant justify buying 5lb bags because fuck having 4lbs of 3/10 seeds sitting around. But then when I do get a good bag sucks because I domt have more but a good bag can get 4 good day long highs for me or 2 reeeeeally high days.
Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:52:10 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
SN? or?
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 22:27:42 EST ID:WuvzodeJ No.584748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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check your proton dawg. nb useless post

have a goat time
pills !zkraGArAss - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 04:22:43 EST ID:10qk0b7M No.584761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oops, SN don't know how I forgot that.
Samuel Sollyforth - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:12:48 EST ID:CB7RTd/N No.584770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just got a 3lb bag of SN off the river and my first dose caught me by surprise it hit so fast and was really strong.
Anyway I'm not here for a review I'm here to drop a tek I thought of that may help extraction.
I know lemon juice is involved in a lot of Teks
Well I have powdered vitamin C
My question is would the Acid in bit C help extract the morphine the same way lemon juice does?
I've already been using it but couldn't tell you if it made a difference bc I did it to my first dose. Any input?
Albert Croshwet - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:24:41 EST ID:dLpt55Cr No.584771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A while ago I bought some WGN (4lb) and some SN (3lb).

WGN - 4lbs - Exp. 08/2018
> They suck. I went through 2lbs and didnt taste any bitterness nor feel anything.

SN - 3lb - 5/31/2018
> I think it was a little stronger. I need to do more testing on it though.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:28:41 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.584780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it helps a little.
Peanut Arbuckle - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:37:10 EST ID:LCKLEEVN No.584782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sprang for TNT because I'm a baller. Been off PST for about 4 weeks, but steadily doing kratom during that time.

(1 cup) +1.5 hours it's pretty nice. Definitely beats the WGN from a month ago. Not super euphoric, but definite mood uplift and enthusiasm you'd expect, and a nice peaceful feeling. It's more sedating than I'm use to though, unlike the big 3, but I'm enjoying it. I have SN coming soon as well after all the good reports lately
pills !zkraGArAss - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 02:29:29 EST ID:NYSN2IEr No.584800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Any od you guys feel weird the day after using PST or even during it and j dont mean withdrawals just whatever this shit does to your body
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 05:20:27 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.584806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes but some people get it much worse than others and for me the side effects have always been fairly mild.
pills !zkraGArAss - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:23:14 EST ID:TMKnlgrI No.584811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Cus I have hep c and if I drink any alcohol I get in a fuck ton of pain.
After I get sober. On this stuff my shit aches.
Im sure it cant be good on your liver
Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:37:16 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey pills I have Hep A and its my DoC.

You feel shitty from the noscapine/thebaine/paparavine and all that. what brand was it?

I find SN is a little less forgiving, but more euphoric. I don't know FTL well enough.
Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:15:50 EST ID:BdJs81Pc No.584814 Ignore Report Quick Reply



>WGN 8/18 River origin unknown, OH delivery. 4lb X000HCUPVL

>dank as absolute fuck. I'm feeling 8oz! LOLLL!


will report back review. i got 10lb sn direct coming in in 10 days
Sophie Bunstock - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:01:19 EST ID:jnEkAkBb No.584896 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What kind of effects?
Hunter S. Nodson - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:04:01 EST ID:rV7oa5yd No.584897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah, gives me a lot of mental fog. reminds me of a long night of drinking, when you're at the end of the night and you're not 100% sober yet but nowhere near tipsy/drunk. I get bad side effects when I do PST and its the main reason why I can't do it often, it has a very high body load for me. but it varies from person to person.

you can try to purify it down and use solubility of the shitty alkaloids to help isolate them. the best way to do this is with calcium hydroxide, basically make your PST as normal (less water and with citric acid) but first cool it down to right before freezing and filter through a micron bag or the least a coffee filter. dump CaOH2 until the color starts to get milky and opaque and slightly brown. let it settle in the fridge for an hour or two and remove the top layer carefully. this will not remove thebaine (as far as I know, but it gets rid of a lot of shit you do not want) though but if you have access to some chems you can remove it pretty easily. take the solution and reduce it down on a light simmer until its about 400-500 ml, get a concentrated (70%+) solution of sodium salicylate (sodium salt of salicylic acid, easy to source) and add it into the first solution and mix thoroughly. then let sit for ~36 hours. remove the solution again by filtering or carefully skimming it off. the precipitate is thebaine salicylate so toss that unless you plan on synthing something from it. this should yield a relatively more enjoyable PST (still has shit like papaverine, narc, etc which is a little harder to remove).

if you want to further purify it down you can (and remove excess salicylic acid) by titrating dilute HCl very slowly (don't use any more than .5 mL of 37% assuming your original solution is like 500ml). wait 30 min and filter again and discard the contents on the filter. then add ~150ml of chloroform and agitate. this removes most of the thebaine and possible some narceine (unless you added too much HCl). separate off and discard the chloroform layer and you got urself some good times mane

but honestly this is just as diffucult as trying to isolate morphine from it so really you're probably better off just doing that lol. its really easy imo. you might actually be able to take the last steps (to remove thebaine) and apply that to regular PST which isn't too hard as well (just adding sodium salicylate on a concentrated sol. of PST, waiting, then filter and keep the liquid.
pills !zkraGArAss - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:51:48 EST ID:vmbFi28w No.584903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This shit cool to leave in a bottle overnigbt in the fridge?
Like how long would it last before the shit starts to disintegrate.

> also another thought
Ive been wondering
We're supposed to strain this shit to filter out all the dirt and shit. But no matrer how many times theres still shit on the bottom albeit a little. Anyway the main point is even if yiu let it sit for a long time would the morpgine/alkaloids ever settle to the bottom or are they permanently suspended in the water? I dont know how the science works. Always curious for heroin in a needle would it settle to the bottom or is it apart of the water now?
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:59:11 EST ID:WuvzodeJ No.584906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
probably safe to leave in the fridge overnight but i wouldnt leave it much longer than that, i know some people think its fine in the fridge for like a day or so but i notice a bad taste difference just after a night. I honestly freeze it if its going to be sitting more than six hours, To answer your other question its unlikely the morphine would precip out just by leaving it sitting, itll get moldy before that happens.
Frederick Worthinggold - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 01:10:05 EST ID:T7flwXWl No.584914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>would the morpgine/alkaloids ever settle to the bottom or are they permanently suspended in the water?
>Always curious for heroin in a needle would it settle to the bottom or is it apart of the water now?

Basically it won't settle because it's dissolved not suspended. Some of the sediment from PST is probably opium latex, which is sort of active but not directly. The morphine itself should be dissolved. It's like when you mix sugar into a coffee, you can't then strain out the sugar.
It's the same idea as when you cook up a shot and then filter it, the heroin/morphine/whatever stays in solution and non soluble impurities get caught in the filter. Anything settling to the bottom of your syringe shouldn't be there.

This, basically:
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 15:33:00 EST ID:WuvzodeJ No.584920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
calcium hydroxide leaves only the morphine as water soluble the thebaine is left over in the gunk that falls out of solution. There will be some very small amount of residual codeine and noscapine at least but the large majority of everything comes out so using salicylic acid to remove thebaine after already doing CaOH wont remove any extra thebaine.
Augustus Nickledock - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 06:11:29 EST ID:6hLaSPik No.584958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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BRM is now hit miss 1.5-4/10
Full darkness, very bitter, pod material
overgrownpath !3g9OJxiR.6 - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 06:39:05 EST ID:mIbaT+1n No.584960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
hope it didn't result in the dreaded suds...
Reuben Forringfutch - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:57:26 EST ID:hvMhQn8y No.585036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I ordered WGN Direct this morning, hoping that was a wide choice

I almost ordered that 10lb of WGN for only around $28 minus shipping but decided against it because it isnt specific about origin

So I'm getting only 4lb direct from WGN for the same price.

I've been wanting to talk to you, always help me make the best choice before I order. Have you ever tried ording that 10lb off the wall for only 28 bucks? Seems to good to be true so I didn't risk it, and it only says blue poppy seeds, doesn't specify England.
Reuben Forringfutch - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:59:15 EST ID:hvMhQn8y No.585037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The 28 bucks for a #10 WGN is on the wall by the way.
I feel like if it were any good it would be talked about and sold out anyway
Clara Fapperman - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 05:33:09 EST ID:Q/Ynu+Gk No.585062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So i found some pods on my local ebay thing but im not sure if they are the right kind? Kinda confused some of them look round and nice but idk i only did seed tea a few times never pods, can you guys please help me? I don´t want to order inactive ones! Thanks in advance
pills !zkraGArAss - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:56:15 EST ID:OBJDxLx0 No.585065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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UH UH!!!!!
cmon baby fuck everyone on your route and come right here.
Cant stop sneezing and watering eyes. Bleeeeeh
Panda5 - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:14:00 EST ID:Rifi3l3o No.585071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, those are legit opium pods. I couldn't speak the language on that site so I'm not sure exactly how they're selling them or how many you get.
Phineas Dramblestone - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 19:01:52 EST ID:lE56+SkK No.585085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah not really sure either, i was surprised when i found them. I guess i can order them worst case scenario i get the shits, thanks!
Hedda Gushhudge - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:57:16 EST ID:6hLaSPik No.585130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just so you guys know there is a brand that you haven't yet discovered yet and it's sold on amazon as well as their own standalone site

Keep looking
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 20:23:45 EST ID:ztWD2hgP No.585132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
SB, A&S, GFC, HHF, ON, HV, Av, or someone else?
Stoned Raider - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:07:54 EST ID:uPX4j7zd No.585162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WGN 5#
from wally world

exp .08/18

Smells normal, low pod straw pieces.
Comes out dank wash, strong taste and good long lasting effects. i got a 5 of SN before this and these are just as good for half the price.
Better than exp 6-7/18 were.

Been drinking tea since 2012 so i know good and bad.

Rating : 8/10

>adding milk thistle, tagamet and high dose gabapentin has me leaning.
David Clonkinson - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:01:18 EST ID:0yajykHg No.585163 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey fellers,

back in late 2015 I tried a brand of seeds (TE) from a large and predominantly Midwestern foodservice distributor, think the last name of a very popular NASCAR driver. they came in a tall plastic container at about 566g, and they seemed to work well enough for me, as I do not regularly take opiates -- the mixture came out yellow and a bit more viscous than your average tea.

anyway, I was wondering if anyone has recently tried this brand, as it was very cheap and more convenient to buy than ordering the aforementioned seeds in this thread from the web.

anyway, thanks a lot for all that you guys do!
Martin Puffinglod - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 17:00:22 EST ID:IZSFrvIG No.585172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Why not just tell us? There are several brands on there, the vast majority bunk. Either we buy from all of them until we figure out what your mystery brand is, or we don't get to know? What was the point of this post? This isn't a sub on circlejerk, telling us isn't going to create a mad rush and eliminate the stock. The whole point of this thread is to help each other out in several ways, especially sharing which brand should be avoided or sought after. C'mon, man!

And as to avoid a double post...Picked up both a 2# and 5'er from the wall today. SN 5/31. Haven't opened the 2 yet, but the 5 is nice. Lots of plant matter, good smell. Very dark wash, very bitter. Effects are different from most SN bags I've had recently. There's a strong body buzz, but the euphoria is less pronounced. Very, very good pain relief, which is big for me. Insane itching, though. I mean more than any bag I've had in a long time. It hit quickly as well, I could feel the buzz starting withing 20 minutes, whereas the last SN I had seriously took about 2 hours to kick in. I'd give it a strong 7.5/10. It seems like the 5/31 batches are wildly inconsistent, I've seen people say weak 3-4/10 for some, others raving. I'll post again when I break into the the 2 lber, or to thank him if Rey Mysterio up there decides to help his brothers out and let us know what brand he's talking about.
Q !57aon8jsJ2 - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:18:39 EST ID:Rf7buG/v No.585177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Rey Mysterio
That was pretty good thanks for the chuckle. I agree too the dude should at least give us something so we can try to find it. Ive posted 3 in here that people didnt know about and nobody has ruined any of those so i think its mostly safe fr us to be looking out for each here on opi. give us a few hints at least.
Shitting Fenningfoot - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:21:15 EST ID:lJjrzBit No.585183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seeds: TNT (don't confuse with nitro)
Source: internetz
Expiration Date: Idk, I bought them 1.5 months ago
I don't know enough to judge smell, but they're black/grey. They wash white/grey, milky and taste meh. Tolerance is down to just once a month (so nothing almost), but it's shit and nothing compares to when I was getting dope every day. I drink a beer or two and smoke weed with it. Now, how good is PST? If you once were a daily h feen, can PST ever compare? I rarely use opis at all now, but when I drink pst, even higher doses, it doesn't lend much euphoria, mostly sedation. This is my first bag of seeds, and I bought TNT because I have money now that I'm not a feen so I said fuck it, but now I'm looking to say fuck it again and just get dope. Can you make anything from seeds?

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