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Does Kratom belong here? by Ernest Nicklewell - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:46:51 EST ID:5gGbDyPy No.130465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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There's so much debate whether to classify it as an opiate i figured this board however slow would be the place to discuss it. I'm going to try it for the first time soon and would lve any feedback from dosage to the overall experience. Also im wondering if taking it daily brings any risk of withdrawal once stopped.
Fiend !!1C9jE+w+ - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:36:30 EST ID:FjZnj8vj No.130466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
inb4 /other/ sends you to /opi/ and /opi/ sends you back here.
Ernest Shakehall - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 16:19:52 EST ID:yv7FNhoi No.130467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is what's so frustrating about it's classification, Mitragynine from what I've read is an opiod agonist but it's pretty atypical and many chemists and pharmacologists refuse to classify it as an opiod, plus the other alkaloids I think act on different receptors
Hunter S. Nodson - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:35:35 EST ID:Tf3KeNZv No.130470 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Come to opi. Were a lot more accepting of the green hair-on over there finally.

It is definitely classified as an opioid. It just has unique stimulative properties alongside it as well as the mu agonism.
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:41:41 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130528 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>green heroin

Feelsbadman. I take 50g a day
Nicholas Shakebury - Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:51:23 EST ID:HCZcMnUW No.130529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Have you ever done raw opium latex? I swear its an upper, at least at onset.
Cedric Huggleshaw - Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:58:07 EST ID:5gGbDyPy No.130531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP here, I bought two ounces of bali white and have been taking it off and on for a couple weeks now. Usually no more than 5g a day which for me produces an effect similar to tramadol? but definetely more opiate like, kinda reminds me of hydrocodone in some ways. But i actually have experience with opiate addiction about 5 years ago and i am worried about getting addicted. When i stopped for five days after taking it everyday for about 6 days i didn't notice any really strong w/d symptoms, aside from being a bit sweaty (which i get that way from just quitting weed or smoking). Do you have any advice for avoiding getting majorly addicted to this stuff? should i just stop taking it after i run out? Tbh the high is enjoyable and nice even useful but it's just so mild compared to the drugs i used to take it doesn't really make me crave it.
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 19:19:44 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would stick with what your doing. My biggest mistake was taking it everyday. I'm currently waiting on my bag to come in now and I feel like I've got the flu. Just take it every now and then you'll be fine it's pretty mild compared to other shit as far as addiction potential goes.
Clara Burringbat - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 00:07:18 EST ID:5gGbDyPy No.130544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Do you mind me asking how long it took you to get your tolerance up to 50g a day? I haven't really noticed my tolerance going up very dramatically after weeks of use, and as i understand the LD is pretty high and hard to even reach just by consuming plant matter, so high doses are fairly safe
Cornelius Huckledale - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 06:58:51 EST ID:d253OyZI No.130547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
LD50s for opioids are basically meaningless once tolerance comes in to play. That's not to say that you can't overdose, but tolerant users often take over the given LD50 for the naive population.
Clara Burringbat - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 09:57:18 EST ID:5gGbDyPy No.130548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But with kratom specifically i don't think there are even any cases of overdose from just consuming ground up leaves or w/e
Basil Shittingway - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 18:02:48 EST ID:XjGmWPMl No.130555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
bro I've been eating kratom leaf powder off and on since I turned 18 back in 07 and moved and had my own place to order weird drugs to and I've never exceeded 10g's in a day

how the fuck are you eating 50 fucking grams a day that is just insane

I've been on the kratom daily train for over half a year on this particular sesh and only eat like 4g's a day max
press !AX.nZBombY - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:58:22 EST ID:aezGrbKY No.130573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i personally was able to increase my kratom doses by also taking other opioids and building up a serious tolerance

though taking 50g at once was fucking torture, especially since i had to swallow like a hundred 00 caps
Eugene Billingworth - Sat, 06 Jan 2018 18:15:19 EST ID:PZlZuUXF No.130577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
50g a day isn't really that much for someone with a hefty tolerance. I know a guy who takes 6 oz per day. He had a very hefty opiate tolerance before he made the switch.
I take around 25-35g per day. If that's 5x5-7g doses that's really not that much considering 5g is basically considered a moderate dose.

It seems more appropriate to discuss it here since it isn't an opiate, but it is also appropriate to bring it up on /opi/.
But you're not gonna bump the BWN thread when you're on kratom.
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Sat, 06 Jan 2018 22:58:34 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just started taking it more frequently. I usually take about 7g per dose. I started with 3g then worked it's way up
Congrats all on your success....
I have a very addictive personality where I take everything over the top. It's been many drugs before kratom and will probably be something else some day soon
Rebecca Nickleman - Sat, 06 Jan 2018 23:33:11 EST ID:d253OyZI No.130583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It seems more appropriate to discuss it here since it isn't an opiate

No, it's an opioid.

>you're not gonna bum the BWN thread when you're on kratom

People do though.
Jarsten - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 11:35:55 EST ID:Tfklis6g No.130630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So just curious, does anyone here make kratom extracts at home?
Hugh Dankinshaw - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 12:18:31 EST ID:3o0R5vrh No.130631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Generally for packaging is it obvious that it is kratom? I'm thinking of getting some just as something to enjoy on the weekends, but I live at home and can't afford a PO box due to being unemployed. My family always wants to see what I ordered, and they'd suspect something if I told them to fuck off. I was thinking I could pass it off as matcha. Do you think that could work?
Fucking Puzzlemune - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:00:45 EST ID:PHla0GsA No.130633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sounds to me like you're going to have trouble getting anything shipped to your house, discreet packaging or otherwise. Generally the package itself isn't going to be anything other than a brown box from wherever you ordered it, the inside is most likely going to say straight out what it is though.
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 01:16:38 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mine comes in a FedEx bag. Just get it mailed to a friend's house then
George Diffingherk - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:42:22 EST ID:9jViPusb No.130645 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think withdrawal is only as bad as pot for most people. I am very fascinated by this drug. I take it typically twice a week (seems to be the sweet spot). Usually take 2.5-3 grams brewed and get where I want to be. Not always the same results, but generally so. I swear sometimes I achieve a nice itch and pseudo nod. Only complaint is the awful smell and taste, but it’s kinda a good balance imo. It’s nice to have a “safe opi”
Dextrolord - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:46:08 EST ID:Lhdsh3wg No.130648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I love this plant to death my man the only wd I noticed was loose stools but that coulda been my diet this week as much as the kratom. My fresh kilo should be here tomorrow or the day after at the latest.

Anyways who else here is keeping up on the way for legal kratom? I just got an email saying a letter from one organization I support to the FDA person in charge of this shit had been signed by 25 house reps.

I signed the petitions last year when the dea tried to fuck us and I will sure as hell fight the FDA however I can!!

Just a friendly reminder to be proactive however u can if we want to keep this magic plant legal.
Dextrolord - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:52:00 EST ID:Lhdsh3wg No.130659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So my kratom got here and I've been drinking it straight in water but my capsules should be here Saturday. Life is good. I'm crushing a twelve rack tonight and watching TV and then I get to talk to police tmw cuz my car was stolen... Oh well
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Mon, 22 Jan 2018 23:56:45 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I always just put it in hot water and drink it. Too many pills
Wesley Muzzlemore - Sat, 27 Jan 2018 17:29:01 EST ID:IoFDUorc No.130720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Trying a sample pack for the first time. Getting decent effects from red and white, but virtually nothing from green. What's the deal?
%u2102%u232c�%u235f%u2115%u03c5%u0373 - Sat, 27 Jan 2018 23:05:21 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Green is supposed to be a combo of red and white. I take reds so not sure. Green always make me feel a little edgy
Dextrolord - Sun, 28 Jan 2018 02:46:39 EST ID:zaDpEd9l No.130725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It all depends on the strains for me.

My favorites are Bali and Hulu but I agree greens can make me edgey too
Rva? - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 14:38:42 EST ID:00z4Jigm No.130739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think I order from the same dude as you, lives near me
Dextrolord - Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:04:58 EST ID:zaDpEd9l No.130741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lol ya we do and ur lucky I love his product, even tho my red Bali was a little tamer than last batch, and my bags are usually over not under. All in all my shipping is maybe 2 or 3$ more so idk why I'm complaining.

I actually found him from my favorite nodding son tripfag from opi
Jenny Grimway - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:22:51 EST ID:QmOJQr5c No.130772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
does kratom have significant recreational value? i take kratom once every few weeks; i don't notice any effect until i take like 6-7g.
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:02:44 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just got my bag in and it tastes like dirt. Hold me
Dextrolord - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 22:01:39 EST ID:zaDpEd9l No.130774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yup I always describe drinking it in water as chugging mud... I finally splurged and got a capsule presser so I don't have to deal with it anymore.

No there's not really serious recreational value like if u wanna get fucked up but for me it's the perfect functional every day buzz with enough variety in strains to stay interesting
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:43:50 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For the time I've been taking it I've never had a batch taste so bad. Literal dirt from the ground.
Dextrolord - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 22:26:13 EST ID:zaDpEd9l No.130776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They all pretty much taste the same to me. Really earthy and bitter
Rebecca Worthingfoot - Wed, 07 Feb 2018 20:02:42 EST ID:Qbwoqyvk No.130780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Been using kratom for nearly 4 years now. Got me to kick alcohol, tobacco. I started with 15g a day (way too high) but have been using 5g daily for the past year and a half. Just switch up strains and lower your dose now and then. I get some great analgesia, euphoria and contentment from it. It's banned in the UK now, so once I'm out, I'm out.
Dextrolord - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 01:44:32 EST ID:zaDpEd9l No.130782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Really it's banned in the UK?? This is disheartening news :/
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:37:53 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. Every year in the states they talk about banning it seems. Makes me nervous
Frederick Febberhall - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:54:48 EST ID:IoFDUorc No.130805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just the other day the FDA released a ""study"" full of falsehoods and inaccuracies and officially recommended it be banned. Fortunately much of the media is calling them out on their bullshit, while circlejerk & friends are begging señor trump to intervene. Things aren't looking good, but kratom advocates so far have had almost unprecedented success in defending it.
Cornelius Ferrystone - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:32:06 EST ID:w0fkdWLG No.130816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Kratom hurts no-one, it's anesgelic effects have simply drawn the ire of big pharma.
Cornelius Sannerchidging - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:00:51 EST ID:h7nZgvtP No.130817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It can cause seizures on rare occasion and physical/psychological dependency occurs, the w/ds are opioid!

That being said, truly you are correct. It's far less dangerous than alcohol (but just about everything is haha), other opioids, and is in the realm of softer drugs like psychedelics, cannabis, and stimulants.
ℂ⌬©⍟ℕυͳ - Sun, 25 Feb 2018 15:21:36 EST ID:XgR4HG2e No.130894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nathaniel Worthinghall - Sun, 04 Mar 2018 18:36:41 EST ID:dIz809l1 No.130916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What are your guys' current favorite vendors? I've only ordered a couple strains from Motark awhile back.
Nathaniel Worthinghall - Sun, 04 Mar 2018 18:41:31 EST ID:dIz809l1 No.130917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nvm I'm retarded. We're not suppose talk about vendors
Nigel Breppershaw - Tue, 06 Mar 2018 08:15:49 EST ID:T8Wpo8rm No.130930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oliver Bunham - Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:19:18 EST ID:w0fkdWLG No.130955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
as a drug Kratom sucks, it doesn't get me high.
Martha Toothood - Sun, 11 Mar 2018 00:42:54 EST ID:7kQrRLH+ No.130956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My Kratom came with a 1/2 gram spoon and I've been toss and washing 1/2 grams for a week now and it sucks. It takes so goddamn long to even get up to 5 grams. I have a scale, but 5 grams is going to be like the cinnamon challenge if I try and spoon it. Is tea really as bad as I hear?
Charlotte Greenham - Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:47:47 EST ID:IoFDUorc No.130957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I put a couple spoonfuls in a glass, stir in water, and chug. It sucks but it's over quick.
Barnaby Fepperdirk - Sun, 11 Mar 2018 18:48:51 EST ID:CJjYdT75 No.130959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Psychoactive Substances Act banned pretty much everything (spice, salvia and even kratom).
Lydia Branninghire - Mon, 12 Mar 2018 02:17:12 EST ID:aoVNDa70 No.130960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
same here. am i doing something wrong? i take up to 7g in olive oil, or toss&wash and feel nothing/barely anything.
i take it on an empty stomach, as recommended, but usually eat p soon after.
Dextrolord - Wed, 14 Mar 2018 00:18:39 EST ID:zaDpEd9l No.130969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Try different vendors if ur not feeling it. I found one I love and his stuff never disappoints
Phineas Bardhall - Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:54:37 EST ID:PJ6N4KgU No.130977 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I personally can't mixi it with water like that because it always seems to float awkwardly and cling to the sides, making it very strange to ingest. I always just put a spoonfull in my mouth and then chug it down with water. It's not pleasant, sure, but it goes down easier and faster than other methods I'vde tried, like yours.
Dextrolord - Fri, 16 Mar 2018 00:47:37 EST ID:zaDpEd9l No.130979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My dude if u can afford a kilo of kratom like a real one then just save $30-40 for a capsule machine

I spend about 40$ on mine including shipping and overall I have only gone back to the mud juice of water plus kratom once when my capsules came after my kilo
Eugene Brapperson - Fri, 16 Mar 2018 16:10:19 EST ID:K8B5jg2U No.130982 Ignore Report Quick Reply

How much do you take at once?

I bought kratom by the ounce and I stopped taking it after only a few months because my tolerance got to the point where I got tired of choking down 10gs of it at a time just for a high I'd compare to like 5mgs of vicodin.

awesomely short and mild withdrawal though.
Dextrolord - Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:51:16 EST ID:zaDpEd9l No.130987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I take too much. I don't measure it but probly between 10 and 25 grams spread out during the day depending on the day

It was capsules or bail for me

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