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Trump and varying Republicans defeat by Jenny Hosslehall - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:32:40 EST ID:keuOVrcY No.389857 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Trump was giving a nice (I'm soo great) victory/campaign speech 'while' this, not a defeat, but loss in their interests was being realized by the res of the country.

People complained about Obama's ongoing so-called campaign. Trump was holding a rally while this withdraw was taking place. Surely this I guess as he says, punched him back in the

This will continue, as it has on and on.

The days of being simply obstructionists to get what they want will continue to fail, as it always has been in failed representation.
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Cedric Bittingdock - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:26:57 EST ID:ktaMVyd7 No.389878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Ryancare reformed 66 pages of the 4 000 that were Obama care.
>it didn't get passed
>lel drumpfsters cryign again lelelele butthurt much LOLZ

Kill yourselves. Just a suggestion :)
Reuben Dummlelun - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:45:10 EST ID:Z7Na6ELH No.389883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Matilda Sillylune - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:28:58 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.389887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We got a new X8 here.
Jenny Drorringman - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:55:33 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>Thinks the most important thing about this complete failure to govern and the schizophrenic response to it is 66 pages of provisions
Stop being a moron. Just a suggestion :)
David Sommerlock - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:06:34 EST ID:PFgT42i1 No.389903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it was a really foolish effort to attack on multiple fronts, i cant remember every provision but it was like: make obamacare not mandatory (god i wish that was the only thing they tried to pass, it would have soared through), remove medicaid, raise premiums on older people, and a couple other big moves

if they tried to bite off less they would've got it

POTUS address on NASA by Cedric Bittingdock - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:30:12 EST ID:ktaMVyd7 No.389879 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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President Trump Weekly Address 3/25/17

Wow this is really inspiring. Go NASA go!
Jenny Drorringman - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:07:32 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>Read prepared speech that vaguely praises and takes credit for something the US was already doing
>>Gut the specific program itself to the tune of ~$200 million, cut spending in research in general by about $6 billion, all to pay for my exorbitant, outlandish plans
>>(Which I will then fail to get passed and say eh, whatever)
>>Get idiots on the internet to tell everyone how great I am for doing it
POTUS' NASA strategy, apparently working well so far.
Jack Govingbot - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:56:41 EST ID:BRv0D0mL No.389891 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I'm so inspired I'm crying
Caroline Hubbleledging - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:03:45 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.389895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>There must be something impressive we've done since we got the White House?
>Failed health care reform and a lot of dead Syrian civilians?
>You know, let's focus on NASA instead despite us slashing their budget. Those nerds always do something impressive anyways.
Jack Blublingson - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:08:59 EST ID:6QXwBnD3 No.389896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All he's done is renew their budget. With inflation means they actually have less money.
David Sommerlock - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:02:01 EST ID:PFgT42i1 No.389902 Ignore Report Quick Reply

is that the size of ovens in yuurop?

Obamacare Lives by Nigel Shittingcocke - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:03:57 EST ID:nSpV6TpJ No.389836 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The scam is over. Obamacare is great and republicans are scared to touch it.
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Jack Govingbot - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:59:36 EST ID:BRv0D0mL No.389892 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Okay then...why didn't they just pass a single payer bill, or anything better than the lackluster mess that is the ACA? If they didn't need republican votes to pass it they could have made it whatever they wanted, and yet what we got what was essentially a republican healthcare plan.
Cyril Wibbletodging - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:18:57 EST ID:6T2FD4LE No.389897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because democrats at the end of the day aren't socialists. And the media puts pressure on republicans to lead and on democrats to appease. The modern political narrative is that regardless of margin republicans are elected on a mandate and democrats are told they need to reach out to the other side.
Phoebe Facklewater - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:53:20 EST ID:KT1cXXZE No.389898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good for Americans, healthcare should be a right not something to play politics over
Frederick Brookfoot - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:09:25 EST ID:5B35Cyyx No.389900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no, it was like 200 bucks when i was 25. which still sucked since i was only making like, iono, 2400 bucks a month, but that's an exaggeration.

shitter plans can be had for as little as like 30 bucks a month, but that's basically the kind of insurance that essentially only gets you out of the fine, plus some screening and basic check ups type shit.

as shit as the ACA is, it's better than absolutely nothing, ie the way it was before. and the idea is that it's a stepping stone as said above.
David Sommerlock - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:54:01 EST ID:PFgT42i1 No.389901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>extort the young and healthy with threats of huge fines if they don't purchase overpriced insurance plans they don't need and won't use


Socialists by Charles Gunnerville - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:20:00 EST ID:3l89hbDC No.388717 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Any socialists here? I mean proper socialists, not soft-lefts or liberal types. Genuine democratic workers' ownership achieved through revolution, not "tax teh rich"
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Clara Nengerstotch - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:50:44 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.389834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>There are no such things as widespread, group volunteer efforts

... nah, you can't be serious.
Fucking Fishpane - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:03:37 EST ID:h19uLDR2 No.389835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Trying to get this thread going again:

I think it's time we took a step back from it all and properly defined our stances and determined our viewpoints. These are my five cents on the issue:

  1. Scapegoating minorities ain't cool (and the narrative should be changed towards blaming the political and economical leadership instead), but for socialists to defend Islam, or any religion, is just ridiculous. Religion is the opium of the people, and that includes Islam.

2. We don't need to dogmatically support immigration either, just for the sake of opposing the far-right. Both of these issues are severely hurting us as a movement and pretty much gives the far-right free reign to establish itself as a working class movement. Which is ridiculous, but it's also a natural consequence of the left's current incompetence.

3. Distance ourselves from the faux-left, such as the "Socialist" party in France and the various 'labour' parties of Europe, that have more or less sold out to the capitalist forces. Those guys share a lot of the blame for the left's current irrelevance.

4. Distance ourselves from crazy old-school Maoists, Stalinists, and anyone else basing their ideology on the very experiments in socialism that have destroyed our public image. If the left is to be re-vitalized, it'll have to be innovative - not regressive, and crazy shitlords like Stalin must be assigned to the dustbin of history.

Eliza Gudgehood - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:59:25 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Left is a relative term
Not in politics. I get that in America anything that isn't neoliberal is left but c'mon, son. Academically speaking, left is not a relative term. It is meant to categorize ideologies.
>It is simply not synonymous with anti-capitalism
The horizontal LEFT axis of the political spectrum represents collectivism and anti-capitalism, be it in some mild bullshit minimalist form like a social democracy or fullblown socialism. Either way, that side is dedicated to at the very least restrict (scandi model) or immobalize capitalism.

>Im not particularly interested in splitting hairs between various denominations of marxism, im happy to refer to most of them as simply 'marxism'.
>I am not read on actual leftist ideologies so I just generalise them

Also, marxism is the critical analysis of capitalism. It is not a political ideology, it's economics. You can't clump dozens of ideologies together just because they share a central sentiment.
Eliza Gudgehood - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 22:14:02 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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As for OP. Internationalism is the way foward. It is the duty of every revolutionary to help any sincere struggle. After all, the class struggle is itself international and transcends every border and culture. Setting our differences aside, through mutual political ground will finally yield some progress. We need to cooperate. We need to save radical theory from it's rigid outdated dogma. We cannot afford to split into smaller and smaller groups over trivial subjects. Have we forgotten the our cry of "Workers of the world unite!"? Anarchists need to work with demsocs and commies, and vice versa. With that said, we cannot allow scumbag leninists and other state-capitalists like filthy maoists hijack revolutions. Not to mention we cannot get ahead of ourselves and expect such radical change over such a short period of time. What's the motto about a revolutionary will not see socialism during his/her lifetime again?
Walter Gabberforth - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:58:17 EST ID:ycKbQ+fr No.389899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Religion is the opium of the people, and that includes Islam.
I get that Muslims, at least in Europe, are generally part of the underclass and get a lot of disproportionate and unjustified flack because of terrorism and the fact that poor people are North-African descent are more prone to be criminal than middle-class white guys. And since a lot of people want simple answers to societal problems, they conflate criminality caused by systemic poverty and general frustration with Islam, and that sucks.
But you aren't automatically my friend at all if you are a Muslim. If you hold reactionary views, I will think of you the same whenever you are a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, an agnostic/atheist, or whatever.

>We don't need to dogmatically support immigration either
Also this.
That said, I'm for the free movement of people around world, and against borders in general. I think the Schengen Area is a neat thing if only for traveling.
But the focus should be on helping poorer countries so people who live there won't want to emigrate for purely economical reasons and not out of love for a foreign culture.

>Distance ourselves from the faux-left, such as the "Socialist" party in France and the various 'labour' parties of Europe, that have more or less sold out to the capitalist forces.
Oui !
When people tell me the French Socialist party is leftist, I point out that most of their policies were almost the same as Sarkozy's ones. Before their implosion, they were basically a center-right party with a slightly more liberal stance of social issues (e.g. gay marriage).
The ones who fell very hard for the faux-left meme are the Americans, because of the Cold War. People thinking neoliberals like Hilary Clinton are communists are making me mad. I wonder if this mindset will wither away one day, but at least Bernie Sanders did a great thing by making "socialist" an acceptable word to use there again.
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Political compass by Molly Penkindurk - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:46:28 EST ID:PIL37drr No.389841 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Are these threads allowed here? I wanna see where the people of /pol/ reside on the compass.
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Graham Fammerdin - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 22:53:38 EST ID:2SRkUhHJ No.389852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Last time spekr scored me as Libertarian Socialist.
I've been watching too much Viceland or some shit.
Eliza Gudgehood - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:07:08 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
inaccurate spectrum
Nigel Shittingcocke - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:14:28 EST ID:nSpV6TpJ No.389868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ebenezer Givingforth - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:40:15 EST ID:wPIzNzTk No.389869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ancap is an oxymoron and should just be labeled "dumbass" instead
Fucking Gunnerfuck - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:50:18 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.389888 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I figure OP is also on a different kind of spectrum, amirite?

CANADA by Eugene Tootstock - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 03:34:53 EST ID:cBPyNYtq No.389780 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Jenny Drorringman - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 14:55:25 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The function of a non-binding resolution, according to wikipedia:
>>This type of resolution is often used to express the body's approval or disapproval of something that they cannot otherwise vote on
So the purpose of the resolution is for the legislature to express that they are oppossed to various kinds of hate speech, while acknowledging they can't make laws about it in this specific case. So that means, what? That's right, that all that shit you guys were complaining about in this thread makes absolutely no sense and you would know that if you actually had any information on what was being discussed.
Cedric Bittingdock - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:43:53 EST ID:ktaMVyd7 No.389882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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We already know Canada doesn't give a fuck about free speech.
1984 model country. And now they have soma to dull themsleves with pleasure too. Scary.

Ezra Levant vs Alberta Human Rights Commission (2008)

Do yourself a favor and watch this video, this is the future when you want to criticize, debate or joke about Islam.
Cedric Bittingdock - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:49:41 EST ID:ktaMVyd7 No.389884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lorne Gunter, a senior political columnist with the Edmonton Sun, tells Tremonti one of the major concerns he has is the motion is based on an ill-defined term.
"Islamophobia is a very broadly defined term. You can fly a plane through it, I mean it's huge."

Gunter points out as an example that he's been called Islamophobic for pointing out the attacks in Paris, Brussels and Nice were by radical Muslims.
"There are people who believe that they can't possibly be Muslims if they're doing what they're doing. So if you're saying that they're Muslim then you're Islamophobic."

Gunter says his concerns also rest on the fact that the motion calls for government action to root out and identify Islamophobia and religious discrimination wherever it's found.
"It goes beyond where most motions go."
He prefers the suggested amendments by opponents that include "discrimination against Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, and other faith communities."
"That then also gets at what the authors of this — the supporters of this — say they're trying to do," Gunter argues.

"But they refuse to make those amendments."
Matilda Sillylune - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:28:18 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.389886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Man, you fucking love posting that video.
Jack Govingbot - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:00:45 EST ID:BRv0D0mL No.389893 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>"Islamophobia is a very broadly defined term. You can fly a plane through it

Or into it?????

Democrats Pick Perez, Set To Lose On Purpose All Over Again by Hannah Gizzlelock - Sun, 26 Feb 2017 12:40:16 EST ID:i1eo8CqX No.388457 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Former Labor Secretary Tom Perez was elected as the chair of the Democratic National Committee, DNC, on Saturday, defeating Rep. Keith Ellison.
>The son of Dominican immigrants is seen by many as an establishment pick. Receiving support from former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, Perez supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership, TPP, and believes the 2016 Democratic Primary was not rigged against Sen. Bernie Sanders.
>Perez, who was born and raised in Buffalo, New York, was seen as the preferred choice for Obama and former Democratic Party presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
>Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress, was backed by progressives within the party, including Sanders and Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.
>Prior to Perez's election, members voted to reject a measure that would have restored a ban on corporate lobbyists donating to the party. A number of speakers were present at the vote, urging the party to unify.

So after suffering the biggest and most embarrassing electoral defeat in American history - specifically because they spat all over their progressive wing to embrace the establishment in an anti-establishment election - the Democrats once again choose the corporate establishment over the rank-and-file. Just as it looked like the Sanders candidate would rise on an unexpected tide of enthusiasm, the Clinton candidate slides in at the last moment to snatch everything away, this times with the help of the Israel hasbara squad.

Make no mistake: the Clinton wing of the party would rather lose forever than let this country shift even a little bit to the right. They are losing on purpose, and it is getting obscene.
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Isabella Ceblinghall - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:11:41 EST ID:Kt73vXZm No.389563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If they mobilize black communities in the South and actually help them get registered and to the polls in real numbers, they could really chip away in certain parts of the South.

Not to take for granted, of course, but black voters are reliably Democrat in most cases, and the South has the largest portion share of black voters as part of the total state population of any part of the country.

A lot of time it's a matter of logistical (Working multiple jobs so no time to vote/Family only has one car to go anywhere so they can't make it to the polls) issues or lack of voter education (Not registered, don't know their precinct, etc.)
Frederick Bunstone - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:30:56 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Unfortunately, there's more to it than that especially in the South. Black people are quite mobilized and naturally have a much stronger racial consciousness than in other parts of the US, but have virtually no representation on state legislatures. Thus they will always be gerrymandered into oblivion. Honestly I don't see the political situation in the South changing for at least several more decades, it may be irredeemable into perpetuity. Source: from the shithole in question
Clara Fuffingwell - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:46:39 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.389823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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To recap:

> Muslim ban: Trump (L, 0-1)
> Muslim ban II: Trump (L, 0-2)
> Wiretapping: Trump (L, 0-3)
> Russia: Trump: (L, 0-4)
> ObamaCare: Trump: (L, 0-5)

Sick of winning yet? Hah!

I'd say his budget is a sure loser too. We'll have to see how Tax Policy shakes out.


And this isn't even counting the Secret Service getting turned down an extra $60 million to pay for guarding Melania because she refuses to live in the White House, taking Trump golfing every weekend in West Palm Beach, and protecting the Trump Children as the jet around getting rich for themselves.
Reuben Cublingson - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:48:40 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hugh Cimmlefack - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 23:54:16 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's suggesting Bernie would not have won in a landslide (a lie) because it doesn't fit his narrative that this nation will never embrace socialistic policies. Despite the fact that Bernie is supported by both sides and surveys show that around 70% of America agrees with his views.

Eventually we'll follow the lead of other nations with our power and finally catch-up.

Trump's Budget Proposal by Wesley Granddock - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:09:09 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.389407 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So Trump's budget is come out. Pretty standard Republican budget of cut everything that helps poor/working poor, pump the military etc.

It doesn't got after Medicare/Medicaid or Social Security which is usually part of their play. Trump did promise to keep these intact during his campaign.

Most likely this thing is DOA even with a Republican Congress because too many of the people hurt will be poor, rural whites (aka Trump voters). It also just offsets spending not really cuts the overall budget.

Biggest cuts is EPA (-31%), State Department (-29%) Department of Labor and the Department of Agriculture (-21% each).

Defense gets a +10% ($53 billion) and homeland security gets $2.8 billion.

Full list here:

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Betsy Lightshit - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:48:07 EST ID:Sdpn5pvY No.389800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Solar is good for when you can't have the others. Take a desert for instance, like AZ. Not much water, a little wind in the North, yes we have that nuke station by Palo Verde. But holy shit, do we get the sun. It would be a boon to the southwest because there is less and less hydro to be done.
Soviet Psychonaut - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:04:45 EST ID:x8x4wfOW No.389803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Arizona should be converted into one giant hydro farm
Jack Hickledale - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:19:17 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And yet AZ has passed laws designed to cripple the solar industry....
Doris Grimwater - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:34:59 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
alright cool so weve gotten to the part of the discussion where everyone begins to realize different technologies have their own merits and you use the right tool for the job
yes a hammer is useful tool... but you dont use a hammer to mow your lawn and you dont use a lawnmower to drive nails

solar isnt a blanket solution same with nuclear, hydro, geothermal, hydrogen, etc, etc ,etc
Oliver Worthingforth - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:20:40 EST ID:Ta8rvEqQ No.389838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you can thank the ancient right wing retirees who move there en masse and vote on every little thing when the young and middle aged barely vote at all.

Make anti-capitalism great again by Frederick Picklebit - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:31:30 EST ID:h19uLDR2 No.389033 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This thread is for those of us more interested in the larger picture instead of American elections or identity politics. /pol/ has been filled with retarded tribal fighting between liberals and alt-right for the past year, and I'm sick of it. I know I can't be the only one thinking this way. I want to discuss the big, important issues.

Now, capitalism has done some good for our civilization, but with regards to the massive environmental challenges we now face along with ever-increasing wealth inequality, I think it's safe to say that capitalism is failing our species as a whole and has outlived its usefulness to us. So, IMO, we need to think about an alternative economic system.

So what are the alternatives to capitalism?

How do we steer the discussion away from a debate over trade policy and identity politics to where we want it, i.e. a broader discussion over which economic system serves our interests best?

How do we make anti-capitalism relevant again?

Liberals and alt-right, please take your kindergarten shit-flinging to literally any other thread
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Eliza Drullyfoot - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:41:24 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.389827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>antifa of both anarcap
Sure, why don't we include those anarcho-monarchist, anarcho-fascists, anarcho-theocrats, and anarcorpratist -antifa groups too?
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Seems like everybody is slapping anarcho on something to the point that it no longer has any meaning. I'm talking about rallying disparate groups against the common enemy; the fascists.
Cornelius Cerringwan - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:59:49 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.389829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Ancap antifa

You do realize that Antifa are exclusively socialists, right? Like, at the socialist degree of "workers should own the means of production"?
Graham Hammerstone - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:08:28 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally a meme
Graham Hammerstone - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:13:30 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People who don't know the definition of capitalism and socialism apperently spend their time on a fucking /pol/ board. Jesus fucking Christ, there's no excuse for y'all ignorance. +1 for the few good posts in this thread and OP

Staging a popular revolt by Wesley Pullernidging - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:12 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389744 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Look,Americans on /pol/, I know some of you lean right and some of you lean left. But most of us have a common cause -- we're not getting enough liberty, whether that's economic liberty, social liberty, or physical liberty. I think there is actually growing support for replacing the United States government with something better, that we can all be satisfied with, instead of letting our current corrupt government - with deep corruption on both sides - have a go.

Obviously, our first enemy is the police, followed by the national guard and armed forces.

Think of it as a game. How would you stage a popular revolt in the USA? Would you co-opt the police and military, and if so, how? Would you defeat the police and military, and if so, how? Would you do it like Gandhi and his salt marches?

We need to rethink our strategies and come up with something that works. They assassinated everybody who got close. Kennedy, Kennedy, X, King, all of them mowed down because they came close to the goal of liberating the masses in the USA.

Now I don't care what your political beliefs are. All I need is your agreement that the current system does not work and is rife with corruption. We can form a new government and amend our constitution to prevent it from being corrupted in the future. We can put an end to bribery, and create an America in which the most conservative puritan and the most liberal hippie can live without being at odds with one another. All we have to do is get enough people together behind the idea. We can learn to live with our differences in a way that we do not exploit one another. A better world is possible, and you and I can make it.
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Archie Sockleberk - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:26:00 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think we're getting very close to the head of the nail ITT. Random thoughts on comments since my last post:
>> the powers that be drive a wedge between them using, as you said, irresolvable or irreconciable differences
One aspect we can attack is the irresolvability of the differences. They actually only appear irreconcilable, there are aspects of them that if you take them a certain way cause them to be antithetical, but those aren't the only solutions. There are of course tolerant forms of Christianity that inherently respect the neighbor. There are many gay Christians (just to take the two types from your example.) There are just as many verses in the bible you can trot out to say why you shouldn't oppress other people as there are that say you should, but because there is ambiguity, and there is an incentive for them to create the division, they (the powers that be) focus on the differences and paint them as absolute categories that you are either with or against. But it's a lie, it's a misrepresentation of both sides, so one tactic I think is to just, wherever possible, upend the lie that there are more things different and divisive about us than similarities and common goals.

>>Stopping the bribery
This I think is another of one of the most important, if not the, prong of the attack. Let's follow the money. For as long as it can make someone money to keep our society fighting against itself, someone will be trying to do it. Hell, even long after it's a reasonable course of action and we have been doing things much better ways for centuries, someone will try to pull off the con again, because that's just what thieves do.
So just as systematically as we have to defuse the controlling myths planted in us when we encounter them in others, we need to do the rigorous detective work of following the money trail and expose people who are distorting our culture for their personal benefit. It won't put an end to it (the only way to put an end to it will be to take money entirely out of the equation) but it's the only way we can deal with that angle.

>>A much more massive propaganda campaign
Yes, that would be great, but also, to go along with it, we would need a coherent ideology to inform the propaganda and representatives (law-making or otherwise...) willing to enact it.

>>The creation of new states
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Reuben Cublingson - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 16:31:24 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>one tactic I think is to just, wherever possible, upend the lie that there are more
>things different and divisive about us than similarities and common goals.

This is where we need massive propaganda, one wing of the movement.
>follow the money
Bingo. It's easier said than done since a lot of this stuff occurs off the books or is framed in a way that it's difficult to track (i.e, giving a Chinese diplomat a ridiculously good real estate deal.)

>feasibility of violent revolt
Here's a tricky part. Hands down, there is no way AIM or Black Panthers could take on the militarized police or military by themselves. Therefore, one option is to co-opt the military and police, and start a popular movement within their ranks supporting rebellion. It's especially hard there because the psychological profile of a soldier or a policeman is one that respects authority and rules very strictly. It is essential that we either gain their support or prepare ourselves to be mowed down like Gandhi's supporters in sacrificial protest.

We do have a common enemy, it's just that those of us who identify with authority can't see it. Those people work against their own interests. I agree that the movement needs teeth -- it needs to replace the existing authority, through popular support as well as martial support.

I don't expect the bribers to go quietly, after all, they assassinated every single person who got close to awakening the sleeping behemoth of the masses.
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Cyril Dibberway - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:12:59 EST ID:VGQcFn/+ No.389817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks for this thread, I needed a good laugh!
Fuck Commersteg - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:25:49 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.389818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Given Trump's overwhelming failure thus far, I dunno if you really need a revolt.
Reuben Cublingson - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:31:20 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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On the contrary, when the government is weak is just the time to start this sort of thing. It's not quite weak enough yet, however.

Nobody is wrong by Nigel Dazzleham - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:55:26 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389467 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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You can no longer turn around and blame people, even if they voted against their self-interests and expect to win elections.
Nobody is at fault because they voted for Trump.

It is Trump's fault and it is our elected officials, fault for everything they choose to do in this country. As citizens, we only vote for them.

Voting is our only obligation so then we must ask ourselves why do people vote for things that harm them? Also, why would we support a party that is either too smart or too incompetent to convince people NOT to vote against their own self-interests.

Do we want to support a government that cannot communicate complex ideas simply enough for white working class men to understand?

We only vote, our responsibility ends there. I am not responsible for poor people giving their money away to the ultra-rich. I am not responsible for failing to communicate to poor people the complexities of health care and insurance in a way that can be understood without having a degree in political science.

I am not responsible for failing to communicate my idea effectively enough so that they can't be twisted and turned to scare poor people into voting for the other party.
I am not responsible for one party speaking stupidly enough and lying in order to win over votes.

All I am responsible for is how I vote. The parties are responsible for everything else.
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Martha Follercheck - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:38:43 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ever heard of a tax write-off? You don't have to pay taxes if you've got enough write-offs.
Eliza Drullyfoot - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:59:34 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.389809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>We should have listened to Ron Paul.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
The problem was that he was an Austrian, the psychoanalysis of economics.

We need things like progressive income tax, consumer protections, worker protections, the civil rights act, the EPA, etc to not be a capitalist dystopia.

Von Mises related.
Charles Trotwater - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 16:46:18 EST ID:iEfdC2fb No.389816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah, we got people being high and mighty, like poor people who voted for Trump are getting what they asked for and getting burned. We are told to choose between two proven liar, scumbag humans and then riddled with contradictory statements and proofs from either side.

there is no clear way to view what is happening, we are all being manipulated. i'm sick of people trying to paint either side of voters as moronic or deserving of punishment, all I see is victims and oppressors
Jack Hickledale - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:29:19 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Implying Trump voters have any critical thinking ability.

Dude, those fuckers could lose everything DIRECTLY because of a law Trump supported, and they would still vote twice for him!
Jack Govingbot - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:02:22 EST ID:BRv0D0mL No.389894 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Don't compare psychoanalysis to austrian economics, that's absurd

How Obama Will Get Imprisoned by Hedda Bunman - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 16:18:41 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388993 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Been looking at the news regarding Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower, and noticed something disturbing.

The GOP....all of them apparently, are willing to investigate this matter. Yet, they have repeatedly shown little to no interest in regards to Russian meddling in the election and Jeff Sessions' blatant perjury.

Theory - The GOP will use the claims of wiretapping to create a "Super-Benghazi" style investigation. The goal will be to simply distract from the shit show that is the GOP right now. The investigation will reach "Ken Starr," levels of investigation. Meaning they will just keep the investigation going and switch focus in an attempt to come up with SOME dirt on Obama that they can make an issue out of. At some point, they will be forced to charge Obama with what will most certainly be either a false-charge, or something unrelated to the actual issue (like Clinton got caught on.) With the majority being the judge and jury in this case, Obama will most likely go to prison. You can also replace HRC with Obama, although they seem to have cooled on her for now.

tl;dr - Trump will lock Obama up over nothing so his shenanigans go unnoticed.
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Doris Grimwater - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:35:43 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>It is not counter-factual, it is fact
we talking about alternative facts again?
Fuck Heffinglock - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:30:09 EST ID:N+M5jlMw No.389776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This whole thing looks like a minority of the American public and silent central majority decided to pick out a hammer at the store. After death may become like death after life.
Fuck Heffinglock - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:31:10 EST ID:N+M5jlMw No.389777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"it is fact" ---> implies alternative fact
How Obama Will Get Imprisoned - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 04:48:24 EST ID:ZEuJZSDQ No.389784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Motorcade pulled over for doing 2mph under the limit, Barry found holding two eights, they send him up 20 years (8 served) for dealing. His defense fails to convince the jury that he was holding two strains just because hes a class act.
Jack Hickledale - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:20:26 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like they won't just make it crack rocks....

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