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Police in Utah kill more people than gang members do by Beatrice Facklewell - Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:31:20 EST ID:L579QPYt No.331301 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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http://www.vox.com/2014/11/24/7276877/utah-police-shootings

>Utah police officers have killed more civilians than gang members, drug dealers, or child abusers have over the past five years, according to a new report from the Salt Lake Tribune.
>Use of deadly force by police is the second-most common circumstance in which Utahns killed each other over that time period. Only intimate partner violence killed more people.
>But in 2014, more Utahns have died to police use of deadly force than violence between spouses and dating partners.
>"The numbers reflect that there could be an issue, and it’s going to take a deeper understanding of these shootings," Chris Gebhardt, a former police lieutenant and sergeant, told the newspaper. "It definitely can't be written off as citizen groups being upset with law enforcement."

By ignoring and brushing these things off as racial issues, the rest of America is rapidly creating what will become its own worst enemy.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 21:13:36 EST ID:rDGP+UWZ No.331948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331947
I agree with both of you.

You're right though,
>I know you're just being your edgy self SP

I'm more interested in seeing what the board's response to thist like this is. No intention of offending, sorry
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Barnaby Deggleworth - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 22:42:03 EST ID:FgqUot8Q No.331950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>331948
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Reuben Bingercocke - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:27:57 EST ID:vht4irq0 No.331953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331945
Looks to me that white people kill each other in roughly the same proportions that black people kill each other.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:39:07 EST ID:rDGP+UWZ No.331954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331953
African Americans in America----> 38,929,319
Whites in America--------------------> 197,700,000
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Reuben Bingercocke - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 03:14:26 EST ID:vht4irq0 No.331965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>331954
Proportion was the wrong word. But, yeah, poor white people in poor white rural America kill white people and poor black people kill poor black people in poor black inner city America. There's not a lot of crossover. The reason the proportion of the populations is higher is because blacks tend to live in densely populated urban areas. There's more police to enforce the law in major cities leading to more convictions and more black men in jail. There's also more media which means black crimes get seen by a lot more people.

Two Americas also doesn't just mean rich and poor. It also means urban vs rural. And yes, white vs black at times as well. Totally different cultures forces to coexist, it's a very tough pill to swallow. The first is akin to colonial overlords in 19th century Africa or India, the second being akin to a cultural rivalry like England vs France. The third is the result of bringing their ancestors over here as slaves. Sorry white America, but when you systematically separate a population from the greater whole for centuries they're going to develop a distinct culture from your own. I doubt they're going to pull their pants up any time soon, and really...why should they?


Cost of War by Barnaby Nicklegold - Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:33:18 EST ID:vht4irq0 No.331219 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/study-iraq-afghan-war-costs-to-top-4-trillion/2013/03/28/b82a5dce-97ed-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html

>The U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost taxpayers $4 trillion to $6 trillion, taking into account the medical care of wounded veterans and expensive repairs to a force depleted by more than a decade of fighting, according to a new study by a Harvard researcher.

>Bilmes said the United States has spent almost $2 trillion already for the military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq.

>“Historically, the bill for these costs has come due many decades later,” the report says, noting that the peak disbursement of disability payments for America’s warriors in the last century came decades after the conflicts ended. “Payments to Vietnam and first Gulf War veterans are still climbing.”

>Stephen Friedman, a senior White House official, left government in 2002 after irking his colleagues by publicly estimating that the Iraq war could end up costing up to $200 billion.

Could we see another Bonus Expeditionary Force in a couple of decades because of this?

What could our country do with the $2 Trillion spent over the last 13 years?
http://www.mars-one.com/faq/finance-and-feasibility/how-much-does-the-mission-cost
Mars One says it would cost ~$6 Billion to send a manned mission to Mars.
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Matilda Tillinglock - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:48:39 EST ID:FgqUot8Q No.331929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331926
The neocons took the reigns from the neoliberals. Look at the Project for a New American Century. They're responsible for Bush's foreign policy, and they dramatically changed the tactics used.

It's not literally a coup, but it's an analogy. That's why he specified "policy coup"
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Panopticon !pAPtrOtSkY - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:16:29 EST ID:EEJ+CvK9 No.331959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331927
how do you not figure

>>331929
granada, 1983; nicaragua, 1984; panama, 1989; iraq, 1991; kosovo, 1999
there was no policy coup
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Oliver Sollerten - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:05:29 EST ID:ognc1Bf/ No.331960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wtf is a "policy coup", and why do i get the feeling that it's some very obscure term used by armchair political theorists?
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Reuben Bingercocke - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:43:30 EST ID:vht4irq0 No.331962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331929
>Project for a New American Century
These fucking pricks.

The US Empire hinges one one thing above all else: The petrodollar. One of their major stated goals was the removal of Saddam Hussien in order to protect that very asset. Then boom, some of their major figures are suddenly thrust into power and they have the latitude to institute their plans. You can read their material published in the late 90s and see what they said, and why they thought it was the right thing to do.

"Policy coup" was definitely a good way to describe it.
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Barnaby Deggleworth - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:54:14 EST ID:FgqUot8Q No.331964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331959
Look at all of those that you listed. Those were relatively quick operations, and US hegemony was maintained by proxies. Neocons considered the gulf war a failure *because* it was quick and Iraq didn't undergo regime change. They called it a "cut and run." They didn't like the limited objectives. In contrast, the 2003 invasion was a grandiose vision. They envisioned completely reshaping the middle east by using pacified Iraq as a base of operation. From Iraq, they could invade Syria, Lebanon, and Iran (and a few more, though not from Iraq). That was their absurd plan.

>>331960
It's the language Wesley Clark used. It's a rhetorical fluorish. I already said it's an analogy for the influx of neocon ideology/tactics into the US government with the Bush II administration. Yes, elements were there in the Clinton, Bush I and Reagan administrations. However, through the 90s the neocons developed these absolutely absurd theories, and got their hearts set on invading Iraq for keeps.


Reagan adviser Bruce Bartlett: Face it, Obama is a conservative by Barnaby Sullykure - Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:35:27 EST ID:sIXNTNAM No.331448 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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"President Barack Obama “has governed as a moderate conservative,” former Reagan administration domestic policy aide Bruce Bartlett writes in a new essay for the eclectic American Conservative magazine.

Bartlett, an economic policy expert who left the Republican Party amid disgust with President George W. Bush’s fiscal policies and backed Obama in 2008, contends that a look at Obama’s track record reveals a president who’s basically a liberal Republican of yore. From the beginning of his administration, Bartlett argues, Obama has charted a center-right course on both foreign and domestic policy issues.

Populating his administration with hawks like Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama has presided over new military engagements abroad while overseeing a draconian crackdown on national security leaks at home, Bartlett notes.

Meanwhile, Obama has pursued “very conservative” fiscal policies, Bartlett writes, signing a stimulus package that was far smaller than what experts and advisers like Christina Romer found would be necessary to really prime the nation’s economic pump. Moreover, Obama has conducted himself like a deficit hawk, “proposing much deeper cuts in spending and the deficit than did the Republicans during the 2011 budget negotiations,” when a deal eluded the two parties. And don’t buy into the the GOP “harping” that Obama hates business, Bartlett cautions. The president, he says, “has bent over backward to protect corporate profits.”

What about the Affordable Care Act, Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement? That, too, is evidence of Obama’s conservatism, Bartlett writes. Observing that Obamacare’s market-based approach drew on a model put forth by the right-wing Heritage Foundation and by Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Bartlett contrasts Obamacare with a real left-wing alternative like universal Medicare. So why are conservatives so obstinately opposed to a fundamentally conservative health care law? “The only thing is that it was now supported by a Democratic president that Republicans vowed to fight on every single issue,” Bartlett writes.

While Bartlett doesn’t see viscerally anti-Obama conservatives as likely to acknowledge the president’s conservatism, he concludes that philos…
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James Mivingshaw - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:49:13 EST ID:JD0lx5z2 No.331789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Every American politician is a conservative when compared to other western countries.
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Lydia Brabberketch - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:58:46 EST ID:W+vWGno3 No.331812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thats because we've had a republican congress and that makes it hard to do stuff
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Edwin Wunningcocke - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:33:21 EST ID:wXf2/3bo No.331912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331789
thats why its so hilarious that a significant portion of americans think hes a radical marxist.
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Molly Pickfoot - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:55:05 EST ID:PTM3N2F0 No.331955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331450
>Everybody knows this.
Sadly most people, especially many "progressives" who support the Democratic Party, don't know this, or at least pretend not to.

It's amazing how many "progressives" support the "Ready for Hilary" movement without hesitation, and how easily they assimilate with the center-right rhetoric when trying to support candidates within the party.

The media and academia are mostly responsible for convincing people that the democrats are to the left, while at the same time dismissing or ignoring any left wing candidates or movements.
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Reuben Bingercocke - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:52:20 EST ID:vht4irq0 No.331963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think his plan was to fool everyone into thinking he was a moderate conservative for the first 7 years then come out as Barack X in year 8. The Republicans did their best to characterize him as the most left-wing thing since the invention of poppers.

Orrrrrrr......they're just racist. Clinton was pretty conservative too, now that I think about it...and they put him on trial for getting a blowjob. Maybe it's just cognitive dissonance.


Yet another link with autism spectrum disorder and libertarians by Wesley Bardworth - Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:11:45 EST ID:T7HjnWcs No.330768 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeCj4y36UKM

I don't mean this as an insult to anyone who suffers from autism, by the way. And, I'm not saying that all libertarians are autistic, nor the other way around. I actually despise the hurtful "autism" meme that's propagated about to insult others and that's not my intent with this post.

However, I do think it's time to discuss the correlation between those who choose to be libertarians and their rather consistent behaviors online (and otherwise) that frequently match the symptoms of those with some level of autism spectrum disorder.

I can't be the only person that's noticed this, correct? Has there been any studies on this yet? Which political spectrum do those with autism spectrum disorder favor overall?
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:27:29 EST ID:ttH/KiUA No.331952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331951
So you support silencing political opponents?
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Henry Fucklecocke - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 00:31:57 EST ID:rHEmxtsW No.331956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331952
You just don't understand Marxian theory... Or something.
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Henry Fucklecocke - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 00:43:36 EST ID:rHEmxtsW No.331957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331941
Because calling people with uncomfortable ideas mentally I'll had worked so well in the past.
Ever heard of a lobotomy?

Maybe you would be able to silence the opposition to your bullshit ideas, but you only end up discrediting yourself when the rest of the world catches on to you.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 00:45:02 EST ID:rDGP+UWZ No.331958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331956
Enlighten me
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Oliver Sollerten - Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:08:25 EST ID:ognc1Bf/ No.331961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331951

>why aren't Leftists behaving like ableist assholes

gee, idk. must have something to do with being anti-hierarchal and anti-authority. fucking hell, some people....


What does pol think of this opinion? by Hugh Smallham - Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:55:48 EST ID:si1BwOsU No.331713 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I think that if most would stop seeing pedophilia as the evil that it is, and see it instead as the disease that it really is, then already the problem gets far smaller. We need to confront it with tactics and right now we are using the wrong tactic, we demonize pedophiles because we think that this will encourage them not to act out. This is wrong however, you cannot demonize a mental illness and expect it to go away, it only goes in hiding.

So governments need to spend money on campaigns to shift the view of the public so that pedophilia is seen as a disease but not a lack of morality or some kind of a character flaw. Doing so is justified in a tactical way, by doing so
it will be less of a death sentence to accuse people of pedophilia or to even seek out for pedophilia. This will lead to a world with less victims as pedophilia operates significantly less in hiding.
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Martin Brerringlock - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:41:30 EST ID:si1BwOsU No.331904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I do worry though, if op's (my idea) is the right thing to do. It sounds logical to me with clear benefits. But have you watched game of thrones? Have you seen the evil asshole cunt that cut's of a man dick in it? You feel that the man deserves all the horrible things done to him in revenge, you dream of it even. Even when faced with two choices, such as to let the evil man burn or allow the rapist to live and MAYBE prevent future victims... you can only decide
based on your heart and it feels like a matter of prinicple to let the dick cutter die a most brutal and long death no matter the cost. Even if children are the cost.
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William Piffingville - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:18:18 EST ID:ZNp4DHDf No.331914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331713

Do we really believe that neonate sexual selection is a mental illness? I mean, I'm not standing up for kiddy diddler's, but we can all agree that a girl does not become attractive overnight on her 18th birthday, right? I mean, for thousands of years the reason that arranged marriages took place so early was to 1) get dibs on her virginity and 2) because nubile features are part of the human sexual strategy.

Humans spend an inordinate amount of time in a state of prolonged neoteny. Capitalizing on a young, fertile girl and taking her out of genetic play is a reproductive strategy. Can we really say that pubescent (that is, going into puberty and physiological sexual maturity) features is a mental illness rather than an artifact of primate sexual selection? What about the accelerated rate of sexual development in females that has been going on for the last hundred years in response to abundant nutrition, epigenetics, and probably some environmental factors? Isn't wanting to bone the clam which carries some fresh eggs like feeling warm next to a fire?

Again, for clarity, I am well aware that early exposure to sexual behavior can be extremely damaging to an individual, but from a species perspective, can it be called a mental illness?
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Graham Geffingridge - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 05:05:47 EST ID:mAmIrtFu No.331916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331914
This is where we make the distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia (Or however I am meant to spell it)
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Hedda Blorryham - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:53:11 EST ID:si1BwOsU No.331940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331914

Well, you ask a very difficult question and i must admit that my english fails to see what all of your post means.

>we can all agree that a girl does not become attractive overnight on her 18th birthday, right?

Well it depends on who you ask of course. People can become attractive overnight in circumstances that you describe, its not like people are born attractive (Except for some) and that at some point they suddenly do.

>Can we really say that pubescent (that is, going into puberty and physiological sexual maturity) features is a mental illness rather than an artifact of primate sexual selection

Not exactly sure what you mean here. But its very deep in my own mind when it comes to what you are asking and what my answer is.

In the old days, people say it was simply a matter of survival to choose a very young girl to be the bearer of your child. Even if that is true, i don't see it as something to discredit pedophilia as a disorder because for me everything is arbitrary
when it comes to what is a disorder,disease etc.... The harsh truth is that in objective terms, the world is mean to be evil and humans therefor included. But through strength and pure will we have succeeded in protesting and denying a objective
truth and are now capable of forming our own beliefs, beliefs that make us capable to see early death and mental illness as something that does not belong in our world, something that is a disorder.
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Eliza Hupperbury - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:01:41 EST ID:eBWLutDt No.331943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331769

Do you have a source for the claim that >In Yanomami culture coercing children into sex is normal

also, when i was 15, a 12 year old boy was really into me. He'd rub his ass into my pelvic area when he was wearing pants and we were just hanging out. He wanted me to fuck him. I know this becuase we cuddled in bed once. Of course I didn't because I thought that was wrong and I was concerned for both of us, though we jacked off together. I do remember asking him to suck me off, he said no, ''I don't trust you," was his reason.

what do you all think about that? I don't know what his experiences were but I didn't want to do something ridiculous or horrible simply to pleasure myself. Anyway, I think ephebophilia is not as terrible as actual pedophilia. Surely children can't consent. Hell, seriously, children't AREN"T EVEN TOUGHT about consent. Perhaps, however, children can consent with other children? Idk.


i told you all it was going to harm my family and u laughed. by Shit Blugglefuck - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 02:10:24 EST ID:+N6tbKgB No.331875 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have predicted the intolerance, and the hatred and felt the scorn of every savage that lurks and poisons this board with their ideas of class based warfare. They continued their calls for civil war against property, and all things civil. They told me I was ridicolous to worry. Well... it's been decided by THE COURT OF FUCKIN LAW that police used neccessary force in many cases, Ferguson,NY, the midwest. The true message don't resist and don't get harmed. Tho these idiots are durp "lets use this to cause chaos!".

There have been near-riots all over the west-coast.. people burning shit, injuring police officers, harming stores and doing a bunch of other shady shit. Well I just got a call from my father. Our botique was damaged, and the police/security survellaence camera was attacked because we called the police on junkies outside loitering their b.s. "Kill snitches, cops and all yuppies" with a circle A. Yup when I see threats paint next to it......, it's a gang symbol to me. Then next to that they wrote Mike Brown RIP. The fuck? Yeah ok these people are all thugs I'm convinced. I was so concerned about a protest breaking out that I forgot about how a lonewolf could also be dangerous. we should have had night time security. the cameras are too foggy to find out who did it plus they got busted. the police are being slow saying "theres been a lot of this". im sick and tired of living in fear of people wanting me dead because im a man from business. I will defend my property and way of life to the death if need be and I really want to deliver some vigilante justice at the next thug protest. Fuck all of u who post on /pol/. You fucking idiots. I bet one of you fucking tracked me down from posting here and did this to me. I bet you are the fucking junkie scum I called the cops on. I can tell youre a junkie with how scruffy you look talking to all the local thugs like they have something you want. I will destroy you all. Seattle will have a new hero soon, and I will dawn the mask of justice. I will hammer harder than any of the local heros now, and my grudge? Anarchists, and Thugs masquerading under a fake cause.


to be basic for all u idiots, this sudden anti…
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Phoebe Blonderbury - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:18:51 EST ID:MOGhrqwQ No.331931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331925
He's only a target because he makes himself a target. If he just behaves the way the protesters want him to behave, he won't get hurt.

This should make perfect sense to him.
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Graham Geffingridge - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:47:47 EST ID:mAmIrtFu No.331932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331930
>The point was that he is part of the problem rather than a solution
>victim of mob violence
>the problem
You are blaming victims for the existence of crime. You're also blaming one individual for a society that predates him by centuries.

>it would be nice if he had a revelation and changed his perspective though.
It would also be irrelevant, since OP does not have any influence on his country beyond the ability to vote.

>>331931
>If he just behaves the way the protesters want him to behave, he won't get hurt.
The protesters do not want him to change his ways, they do not care about that.

They aren't operating on a basis of reason either, even following their demands does not mean they won't beat you up either:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/8/chris-schaefer-ferguson-protester-supporter-beaten/#ixzz3IuOnJ2bc
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Shit Blugglefuck - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:31:17 EST ID:AL6PP9JN No.331937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My parents are probably more reasonable?!? My dad went to a top knotch school for both business,economics and political science! He knows way more than any fucking idiot who listens to their Marxist community college teachers. My dad has openly been against all this hate against police, he as an intelligent man, has even declared Mike Brown and others as thugs. He hates Anarchists, but is also a major libertarian. I've talked to him. He just wants me to calm down to keep us safe, because he said "these people are not to be reasoned with, look at overseas" and I look and i see places that accept anarchist movements descending into total chaos, destruction, burning, and harm of police and private property! My father has created a local business town watch, which has meetings with police to discuss how to best deal with loiterers and people who harm business with hanging out doing dumbshit where new customers are trying to come in from downtown and shop. They have a "snitches get stitches" thug mentality, and us calling the police, working to set up cameras around the block, and even being friendly with people who PROTECT YOU, has gotten us the label of SNITCHES. These idiots don't simply declare police as the enemy.... they declare anyone who wishes to be on good terms with the police as a target!! that sounds like TRUE fascism to me.. These idiots want people to stop calling the police and working by their side because a few thugs end up dead, and a few junkies got locked up for posession near our store? Fuck all of you!
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James Blackbury - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:32:04 EST ID:tnFPmKgg No.331938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>331925
The OP was talking about multiple court cases (though not specifying which, just general lethal police force on blacks), as was I. Also, it isn't about him agreeing with a judge's decision, it's about his blanket endorsement of police use of force under the guise of "just dont resist". Did you read the part about how people how don't support the police should be tried for treason? Sounds pretty fuckin fascist to me!

Good job taking one quote while ignoring context then going "welp, you are literally wrong about everything." Maybe you should go be Robin to OP's Batman.
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Frederick Pangerlune - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:48:08 EST ID:/pnP8vMn No.331939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>331937


The importance of Nonviolent resistance by Emma Gindlepick - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:05:31 EST ID:0daTzoMk No.331842 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Sun Tzo's Art of War states, "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.". He also mentions to treat enemies well.

In any movement it is of critical importance to avoid unnecessary malice.

It is not for the dignity of your enemy but for your own. People who argue against the Ferguson protests are quick to point to the damage that looters have caused. The torture of Islamic extremists has only added a point to argue against America in the Eastern world as a whole.

There is no faster way to discredit your cause than through unnecessary destruction. Extreme actions may be superficially justifiable, but in whatever cause you take, you are actually trying to win the mind of the bystander.
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David Sundlepidge - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 02:20:06 EST ID:ruSwWpqo No.331877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>331872 Action can be a vote, picture the will of the people as an amalgamated blob, dots of individual actions composing this macroscopic graph, power-to alter reality by creating and destroying. Nonviolent actions are more inclusive, and depending on where you live, less dangerous. I'm nonviolent, but I wouldn't shed a tear for a broken window. Propaganda of the deed coupled with anti-anarchist propaganda really fucked up the 19th century anarchist movement in the US, also media warps the meaning of the actions, and even someone who sympathizes will misunderstand. So any political violence that causes harm to life except in self-defense, should be condemned. Gotta draw the line there.

I bet if you searched through human history there'd be plenty examples of governance by the people, just interspersed thinly through place-time. Did the power elite step aside willingly? No way, the people had to wield power through collective action, those actions could take on violent or nonviolent connotations depending on the individual.
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James Homblewat - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:57:22 EST ID:mAmIrtFu No.331887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331872
>what is voting
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James Homblewat - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:57:53 EST ID:mAmIrtFu No.331888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331873
>nonviolence is racist
DROPPED
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Sophie Cuzzlefadge - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:16:13 EST ID:hBy4bRke No.331900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331887

I dunno, what is voting? Does it really allow the common people to enact their will?
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Nigel Sankinworth - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:56:04 EST ID:c0v3djXf No.331933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331887
Filling boxes that then give a number to the electorate who then see the comparing numbers and go "huh the people still like A over B, but we all decide on B"


Media: Inform & Distort by Polly Goggleked - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:57:54 EST ID:ruSwWpqo No.331907 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What positive and/or negative effects does media have on political thought, or each others perspectives in general?

Even livestream with the streamers' best of intentions show a limited window into reality, for there is nothing better then being there! Media can't present reality unmanipulated. Literature, movies, or theatre, print, radio, and cable news, you name it, are all distortions re-presenting experience. People sympathetic to but not privy to a cause, belief, way of living, whatever, are influenced by the media into associating false beliefs with very different motivations.

The documentary "Until the Light Takes Us" about the Norway black metal scene's connection to church burnings. The motivation was the sites were ancient pagan powerspots that were burned down and replaced with churches. At the time the local media represented the church burnings being related to satanism which created copy-cat actions that had "666" graffiti that alluded to satan.

A work originating from Spain 1917 titled Bourgeois Influences on Anarchism by Luigi Fabbri focuses on the correlation of literature celebrating "anarchist" violence with a spike in 1891-1894 of violent incidents by self-described anarchists, especially in France, Spain, and Italy. Forgive as I quote alot of his pertinent words, he claims that literary authors celebrating violent and anti-social actions were largely outside the anarchist movement "educated in the school of Nietzsche (who was never an anarchist), who look upon all actions, however tragic or sublime they might be, solely from an aesthetic point of view and disregard concepts such as good and bad, useful and harmful.

Of anarchist thought they've glimpsed nothing beyond individual emancipation; they've neglected the social problem, that is, the humanitarian side of anarchism. In that way they've come to conceive of an implacable 'anarchy' in which one can worship an Emile Henry, but along with him a Passatore, a Nero, or an Ezzelino da Romano. It should be understood that acts by such individuals have importance solely because prose and poetry, drama or the novel, the pen or the brush, find in them a source of beauty and form. It's well known how much the love of a beautiful phrase, an original expression, or a vibrant verse can falsify and deform the innate and true thoughts of a writer. Leopardi, who poetically cried, 'To arms, take them up here,' was in practice little disposed and had little aptitude to actually take them up.

.. Let me recall an incident. When Emile Henry threw a bomb into a cafe in 1894, almost all of the anarchists I then knew realized that it was an illogical and uselessly cruel act, and they didn't hide their disgust and disapproval of it. But during the course of his trial Henry gave his celebrated self-defense, which is a true literary jewel -- admitted even by Lombroso himself -- and after his decapitation so many non-anarchist writers praised the executed man, his logic and his ingenuity, that the opinion of the anarchists changed (generally, at any rate), and Henry's act found apologists and imitators. As can be seen, the literary aesthetic n the end ignored the social aspect, or, more accurately, the antisocial aspect, of the act, and the actually anarchist doctrine had nothing to be thankful for n the slight service lent t by literature."

Literature can serve as a positive theoretical projection such as Alexander Bogdanov's 1908 Red Star, a sci-fi dream of a dual victory of the socialist and scientific revolutions, portraying a harmonious and rational socialist society facing the dangers of atomic energy, preservation of the environment, the dilemmas of biomedical ethics, and shortages of natural resources and food.

Max Cafard's Surregional Explorations, chapter 4 demonstrates Avatar's call-to-action flacid, not intending to inspire people to action for the Earth.
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Polly Goggleked - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:03:12 EST ID:ruSwWpqo No.331908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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  • Giacomo Leopardi (1798-1837) was an Italian poet and philosopher. Like other members of the Romantic Movement, he combined an aristocratic background with a love of freedom.
  • Stefano Pelloni (1824-1851), known as Il Passatore (The Smuggler) was a famous Italian brigand of the Robin Hood type.
  • Ezzelino da Romano (1194-1259) was an Italian politician and soldier. Thanks to Dante's Inferno, he is remembered as a cruel tyrant.
  • Cesare Lombroso (1835-1909) was an Italian university professor and criminologist who believed criminality was determined by physiology.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:24:38 EST ID:fHuhy5es No.331909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So are you here to inform and distort as well, then?
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Polly Goggleked - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:41:24 EST ID:ruSwWpqo No.331910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>331909 I do my best to reflect truthfully with a recognition of unavoidable bias. There are limitations in the imageboard medium, for example language can be ambiguous without body movement and tone of voice. The strongest trait in my opinion is the voluntary and participatory aspects of imageboards, inclusive of anyone who wants to contribute, regardless of what it is they say. So in lieu of far more stringent forms of mediation of content, this is superior.
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Walter Giffingstet - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 22:34:51 EST ID:ruSwWpqo No.331949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331909
The subject is better an example of a love of the aesthetic then an accurate summation of the role and effects of media.


Pacificism by Wesley Blackwill - Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:51:50 EST ID:1ZXRUOu8 No.331493 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why is there a taboo against speaking against pacifism in the left wing?
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Clara Codgeshaw - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:05:14 EST ID:yzIAy3zk No.331834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331831
With this whole TTIP thing I think here in Europe violence could perhaps be inevitable. If it reaches the point where overseas corporations just do what they like in our countries in the name of profit, effectively unanswerable to sovereign power, people will really will be left with no recourse but to resort to violence; not necessarily against people, I hope, but against the corporate apparatus.

For example, the UK's NHS is dearly valued by the public, yet our current government seems set on having it privatised. If this happens then I all but guarantee a complete loss of faith in our political system, and there will be civil unrest.

This will be the downfall of the current paradigm. The drive for short-term profit will cause these greedy pricks to overreach, and there are some things people won't take lying down. There's also a growing realisation that our government literally does nothing useful for us whatsoever, and it's possible for people to improve their lives and the lives of those around them without any need for state involvement.
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Faggy Geddledick - Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:17:46 EST ID:mAmIrtFu No.331856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331831
>derp derp derp
I'm not reading this shit, because it's off-topic. This thread is not about what you want to tlak about.
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Hamilton Honeyridge - Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:03:39 EST ID:rHEmxtsW No.331862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because unnecessary violence will only benefit those who seek complete control over the lower class. Look at Ferguson.
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Betsy Pickfuck - Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:58:54 EST ID:7xpjLHtm No.331864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331862

What about Ferguson?
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David Sundlepidge - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 02:36:28 EST ID:ruSwWpqo No.331879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331864 I think they're alluding to the use of rioting as justification for the measures taken by the US government and law enforcement. Citizens probably be more agitated by the numbers of national guard and heavily-armed police deployed there if the media wasn't showing images of rioting on repeat next to someone being interviewed. Sorta Naomi's shock doctrine, using a time of crisis to introduce new draconian measures, rioting as an excuse to militarize further.


How the GOP is tricking you into an arms race with the government by Hamilton Brorrydatch - Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:35:57 EST ID:OipzT1cK No.331327 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Remember how all those pols stand up every election on the right and scream that we need guns to defy the government should it become oppressive?

Guess what?
Those exact same people are the ones making sure that your local cops have access to tanks with .50 machine guns on them!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/the-house-voted-not-to-demilitarize-cops-just-two-months-ago-will-it-be-different-after-ferguson/

Oh, and to answer that question... NOPE!

And they just blocked H.R.5478 from coming up for a vote. It would have done something similar.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5478

So just to clarify....
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black general - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 22:48:33 EST ID:G9Oesilq No.331792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it is time to face the fact that the government is treating all of us as aggressors .your children have become the target of cops . the 2nd amendment is now in play . Arm yourself , shoot for the head or legs no bullet proof covering . 30-30 will cut through but keep shooting for head if your distance from target is to high.. it is time to get these thugs and thieves out of our neighborhoods and away from our children ...
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Doris Brungerbanks - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 23:04:36 EST ID:OipzT1cK No.331794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331792
>it is time to face the fact that the government is treating all of us as aggressors .your children have become the target of cops

They are. Look at what they do year after year. They arm up. The threat is greater every single year despite record low crime rates.
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Betsy Seshdure - Thu, 04 Dec 2014 00:14:19 EST ID:ARJ3mViR No.331846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Guilty until proven innocent in a court of law
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Emma Gindlepick - Thu, 04 Dec 2014 00:48:01 EST ID:0daTzoMk No.331849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think you're giving too much credit to the GOP, those guys are straight retards.
And that's the compliment, if they aren't straight retarded, their straight sociopaths.
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Hedda Shittinghall - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:59:18 EST ID:lBtDZabQ No.331899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331846
Yeah I have experienced this.


Remember when that right-wing terrorist attacked Austin? by Emma Seddlebury - Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:50:18 EST ID:OipzT1cK No.331649 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Remember when that right-wing terrorist attacked people in Austin and afterwards there was a big investigation into it and right-wing extremists groups were put under scrutiny?

Oh, wait...You didn't.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/28/gunman-killed-targeted-austin-buildings/19607141/

This just fucking SCREAMS right-wing paranoid asshat going on a terrorist killing spree hoping to "start the New Revolution," or some shit like that.

But you will NEVER hear him called a terrorist. NEVER! This will always be a lone nut shooting to the government?

Why?

Because only lefties and brown people can be terrorists. That is the mentality out there. The fact is, we could see Oklahoma City 2.0 happen and if the guys doing it were in the Tea Party, it would be classed as something BESIDES terrorism.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:05:12 EST ID:XX+Ta13U No.331817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331816
So are you more comfortable with the term ethnicity then? Also, I never implied a superiority or anything like that
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Nigel Herryfoot - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:13:08 EST ID:mAmIrtFu No.331818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331817
>So are you more comfortable with the term ethnicity then?
Ethnicity is more accurate but still fuzzy around the edges. The problem with the concept of race is that it equates to skin tone.
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Ebenezer Demmerchot - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:12:20 EST ID:TxIeNXON No.331821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331818

breeds.

Caucasian breeds, South Asian breed, African-Germanic Mix, etc.
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Ebenezer Demmerchot - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:12:49 EST ID:TxIeNXON No.331822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
African-Germanic Mutt*
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Clara Codgeshaw - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:11:20 EST ID:yzIAy3zk No.331835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"85 percent turns out to be between individuals within the same local population, tribe, or nation; a further 8 percent is between tribes or nations within a major 'race'; and the remaining 7 percent is between major 'races.' That means that the genetic variation between one Spaniard and another, or between one Masai and another, is 85 percent of all human genetic variation...."
—Stephen Rose et al., Not In Our Genes

Basically "race" isn't really a thing and it's holding us back that we continue to give a shit about this stupid concept.


Why doesn't the senate by Jack Messleham - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:00:33 EST ID:1ZXRUOu8 No.331760 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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violate the equal representation clause of the 14th amendment? Wyoming and California have the same number of senators, relative to Wyoming, a person in California is under-represented at less than 3/5th of a person in Wyoming in the Senate.

Fucking inconsistent system.

tldr; Abolish any unequal representation body.
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Phineas Boddlemire - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:14:26 EST ID:oQ6AfkrF No.331761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331760
Well isn't that what the House of Representatives is for? The Senate represents the states, and the House represents the people. Come on, this was taught to us in middle school.
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Jack Messleham - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:50:09 EST ID:1ZXRUOu8 No.331762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>331761
Why do the states need representation that's not proportional to population? Personally, I feel like the senate is the problem.
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Charlotte Sabblechatch - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:54:42 EST ID:FgqUot8Q No.331763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The 14th amendment clearly states that US representatives (not senators) need equally populated districts:
>Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.
But, it says nothing of the senate. SCOTUS extended that clause to the state legislators (including state senators) in Baker V. Carr and Reynolds V. Simmons. Those decisions were based on re-interpreting the 14th amendment for the 20th century, but it was not a massive structural change in the constitution. They were narrow changes. The finding was that in *some* cases, it's unconstitutional to have unequally populated legislative districts.

However, to extend that logic to the senate would be a massive change. That would require an amendment to explicitly change the congress.

In other words, the reason the 14th amendment requires equally populated districts is because of some jurisprudence that tweaked the edges of the law. Requiring senators to be equally apportioned would be a massive structural change, which certainly could not rely on jurisprudence alone.
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Charlotte Sabblechatch - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:05:50 EST ID:FgqUot8Q No.331764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>331763
Whoops.I fucked up. They used a different clause for state legislators. They used this:

>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

But, my point remains. It's a matter of jurisprudence, and they can't fundamentally alter something so large.

I'm not one of these constitution fetishists, but you should glance over it again. It explicitly states how the senate is to be organized.

> a person in California is under-represented at less than 3/5th of a person in Wyoming in the Senate.
Fun, disturbing fact: Did you know that giving slaves the 3/5 person status rather than nothing actually benefitted slave holders? Well, it did. Northerners wanted them to be counted as nothing (with good reason). The slaves weren't voting, but they counted as 3/5 a person for congressional apportionment. So giving them 3/5 status meant more southern congressional districts, which meant more slave power!
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Betsy Brovingwack - Tue, 02 Dec 2014 16:24:23 EST ID:sOrVknhY No.331783 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>331761

Correct. House gives proportional representation to individual districts, whereas the Senate insures that small states like Wyoming (with only two or three representatives) don't get trampled on by larger states like California with 40+ representatives.

The same system applies in the European Union – small countries like Malta have 6 representatives in the European Parliament while Germany gets 96 because it's way bigger, but each country gets one Commissioner in the European Commission no matter what their population is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament


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