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US Department of Defense whining like babies by Fanny Brettingwat - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:25:45 EST ID:yW/LsL9L No.394881 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1358

>DoD releases 145 page report about how the US empire is facing collapse
>laments the proliferation of technology
>calls for more surveillance, propaganda, military expansion

Thoughts? Opinions? Is anyone actually surprised?

I just love how open they are about their intentions. No point in hiding it anymore, might makes right!
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Fucking Gassledeck - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:32:41 EST ID:yW/LsL9L No.394929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394926
This guy gets it. Trump has nothing to do with this. Shame on us for getting side-tracked. The largest war machine this world has ever seen is getting nervous. If that isn't terrifying, I don't know what is.
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Archie Grimcocke - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:51:26 EST ID:xQbV1JEs No.394930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394926
Hey, criticizing Trump is a valid point for this thread.

Trump jumping out of the Paris agreement and sticking his head in the sand about climate change is basically an almost assured death sentence for the American world "empire".

Climate change will either cost the USA trillions of dollars in relocating their navy harbours and infrastructure, or it will just straight up cost them their navy. And the US military can't do shit without its navy.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:19:26 EST ID:RXSdhbfB No.394931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394930
He is relevant only insofar as 1) he symptomatizes the radical decay of the American imperial project and marks the definitive end of the "American Century"; and 2), as Hassan Nasrallah notes, Trump represents, plainly, the brute-minded aggression and foreign adventurism of the United States. Whereas Obama hid his criminal drone bombings, his proxy warring, his coups, behind the mask of charisma, Trump makes no gestures towards bourgeois respectability and uses no pretenses. In this way he represents the bare id of the settler empire.
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Angus Snodshaw - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:25:07 EST ID:V72b4f8a No.394933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394930
>ignoring climate change will some how cost them their a military.
>them their

I'm tired of non-burgers telling us how our shit works. Fuck off you unintelligent faggot.

>climate change
You keep using that word, but I do not htink it means what you think it means.
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Thomas Wigglewane - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:51:39 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.394935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394933

His point is serious business you know. The oceans are gonna rise, and in a hundred years where's your warm water ports gonna be? Way up in what was old agricultural lands.

Nevermind if you don't believe in climate change. You're just another idiot posting shitposts on a chan. This shit is in fact real as hell.


How to Slash spending Military spending without weakening the force by Simon Foffingforth - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 01:58:02 EST ID:rkZKMlHk No.394648 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The biggest waste in our government is price gouging that corruption has allowed to occur.

A good example of this is TransDigm, a company that charged the military for $640 toilet seats, just for instance.
https://theintercept.com/2017/04/13/contractor-whose-business-model-is-price-gouging-the-pentagon-has-powerful-wall-st-backers.

It's little surprise that lead TransDigm representatives gave millions of dollars to lobby congress to reject spending acts that would curtail this theft.

Here's the price-tag we've paid on everyday objets.
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-30/news/vw-18804_1_nut

>NORMAL SCREW: $37
>COFFEE MAKER: $7,622
>TOILET SEAT: $640
>HAMMER: $435
>WRENCH $469
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Simon Fimblenick - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:47:58 EST ID:EVasXpiI No.394845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394841

This shit is fucking criminal, but you can't even tell people about it because they'd handwave it away like "Oh, well they need that training JUST IN CASE!"
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Nell Gashwit - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:50:30 EST ID:Nt+nXqp9 No.394847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394845
Oh my god that's EXACTLY what they say!
"lul you stupid libtard, you think America, the mightiest country in the world, needs untrained troops?"
"Well no, I just want much cheaper training. I don't see why we can't do a lot more virtual tank round firing as opposed to real life firing."
"You want us to provide our troops less than the best possible training!? Fuck you, commie."
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Cornelius Chickleham - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:50:52 EST ID:52sqXVAF No.394878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394841
Reminds me of pic related
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Angus Snodshaw - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:22:12 EST ID:V72b4f8a No.394932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394878
>implying every rocket launcher uses javalins.
>implying you would prefer these underpaid men to get within firing range of heavy armour to pop it with conventional dumb fire.
>implying the US give a single fuck about how much money it owes when it's bombing other countries.
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Simon Chindleforth - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:35:07 EST ID:wPIzNzTk No.394934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394932
IMPLYING

What's conversation and debate when yellowtext exists?


Abolishing Political Parties by Nicholas Mollywill - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:01:10 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.394802 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why the fuck in this day and age do political parties even exist? It just becomes a contest to see who can tap into people's tribalism the most and get them to hate the other guys. If politicians had to actually run on their own ideas and beliefs maybe we would have campaigns that were actually focused on the issues rather than just us vs them tribal hatred. Many people have views that don't match up with what any party believes and the issues they hold important may not mesh well with the candidates in either party. First past the post voting and political parties need to be abolished. You should be able to vote for the candidate who most reflects your actual individual views on the various issues and the candidates should be able to evaluate each issue on its own merits without being beholden to party loyalty. Basically everyone agrees that partisanship is a giant problem and I think if we want to begin to fix it, it starts with abolishing political parties.
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Phyllis Pommerwine - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:27:33 EST ID:HpJPm84P No.394882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394877
>Without such things, they fall into sick crime/human rights abuses, utter lack of education, so on.
> I feel that the primary response to self-authority would be an appeal to violence in order to ensure survival of the individual or the group.
Sounds like what's going on today, in America, at least.
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Jarvis Drirringhat - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 04:26:27 EST ID:6DovArLR No.394888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394877

The mass does self govern. These figureheads only have power because of the mass compliance and labor of entire populations. There's no proof that states are more efficient to human develop than individuals. How is the burden on proof for stating that fact when the human individual existed and survived long before the state?
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Jarvis Drirringhat - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 04:30:45 EST ID:6DovArLR No.394889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394888

Also if the state claims that people would simply be murdering one another if not for political parties? How is that even a good argument considering its been proven this isn't true. Places that have the heaviest police forces still see violence occur, and they commit violence themselves? Isn't that just this mass killing that's allegedly going to happen if the state has less power? Where in humanity did this occur without States on a mass level? This doesn't seem like a good evolutionary trait unless we were eating one another.
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Cedric Senkintune - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:58:50 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.394923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394813
You don't have to dismantle the entire framework of government to abolish political parties. Everything would still function the same way. In the legislature, representatives would go and discuss each issue and vote on it however they felt after the debate. It would put the process back on the debate and make that a more integral part of the process. Now the legislation is written, usually by ALEC or other industries and passed along to the leadership. If the leadership comes to a deal with the lobbyists then the leadership will begin to whip the votes needed making sure to stress party loyalty. Instead of being a debate about the ideas it just becomes a negotiation between the party leadership and its members. Others not in the party in power are shut out of the process entirely.

In the executive, they would just have to hire whoever they thought was best for the job without looking at what "team" they're on. It would lead to a better representation of the actual viewpoints held by people the government serves because there would be no way to filter people based on how loyal you think they will be, simply based on how effective you think they will be. Everyone would still be a team of people working together in the roles our system has created, they could still be fired if they didn't do their job. I'm not suggesting anarchy here and I have no idea how you leapt to that conclusion.
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Nell Povingchark - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 03:46:25 EST ID:hqvbzzHo No.394927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394923

Well, might as well discuss these things for future generations because its clear the current civilization is running its course, potentially taking the earth with it. Anarchy only became a word when it needed to because the modern state has not been a part of human history for long. Some say well, that's cause human history hasn't reach such a peak of industrial tech, its the most efficient way. I say its also proven to be inefficient; it drains resources at a alarming amount and basic science shows that this hurts the planet in multiple ways. Science is often wasted on market research and war, instead of advancement and if you look at military budgets in the us vs NASA its true.

Now you say, the USA are not the end all be all. That's true, but the USA exists because of these very systems, throwing it into motion. A global powerhouse almost ultimately always will exist within this economic system - the more modest nations in the west hate to believe it but their well being and prosperity depends upon the violence of such nations. If not the USA itd be Russia or china or so on. This is the reality, because the very structure of a political system is there to keep power over people, to expand hegemony of a certain group over another. This isn't just the Soviet Unions forming its the modern world as a whole

Does this mean I'm screaming anarchy? Well I'm just acknowledging the real. I don't give a fuck about voting because there's no reason for me to trust one individual or a group of individuals who have more wealth and power than me, will have my best interest at heart. Call me when humanity decides to evolve instead of self destruct and I'll consider a political system and idea.. That goes for utopian visions of some modern anarchy paradise too. I'll believe it when I see something good happening with it.


/rwg/ - Right-Wing General by Albert Nickleway - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:55:53 EST ID:EuF9q028 No.394415 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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General thread for right-wingers

Current events
>Commies throwing a destructive riot outside G20 and getting BTFO by police
>Trump's 30 minute meeting with Putin going well past 2 hours
>Dems/Libs continue to demand WAR with Russia, citing their "election hacking" as an act of war
>John Podesta (Hillary's campaign manager and employee at WaPo) had a breakdown on Twitter due to a recent Trump tweet
>North Korea moving closer to starting a war with the US
>Another ceasefire in Syria infuriating all NeoCons and Liberals
>Liberals upset that a white man is not going to jail for killing a black man who was attempting to drown two children
>CNN still in damage control mode over their blackmailing of a circlejerk user; according to various tweets, pointing out that the majority of CNN employees are Jewish was the real catalyst for doxxing him, not the wrestling meme
>MSM suddenly pushing the Russian narrative again, now that Trump met with Putin. Most have yet to apologize for lying about the "17 intel agencies" that turned out to be 3.
>Comrade Bernie Sanders is now the frontrunner for 2020 according to some news outlets, which would more than confirm a second term for Trump
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Eliza Blundlehall - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 19:11:59 EST ID:xQbV1JEs No.394914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394844
>Correction; CNN and Hillary are leftist
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? Do you have MOTHERFUCKING 's for brains?

Holy fucking shit, how can someone suck so much fucking gallons of semen out of goddamn dicks and still function as a human being holy fucking shit nigga get a grip.
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Martha Honeyhood - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 19:59:04 EST ID:tf1vjciG No.394916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394914

Lmfao this. There is no such thing as leftist media in the USA, unless its online or in underground zines. The media and political parties create an illusion of choice between political spectrum when they all the same, and fools gobble that shit down. Every political scientist in the world will tell you everything about politics in the us is far right but you still get idiotic brainwashed fools complaining about Marxists ruining their lives. Brah is u for real lmfao the clintons are not Marxists.
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Hugh Passlelodge - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:02:38 EST ID:EkRX+tDd No.394917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394914

they are just more corporatist than anything. i dont think hillary even cares about politics, she always just pandered to the trend and so does most of the media.
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Cedric Senkintune - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:35:20 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.394920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We need to stop debating over whether Hillary is a leftist or a rightist or whatever loosely defined term that is and start calling her what she is: a petty bourgeois socialist. We got a choice between the petty bourgeois socialist or the outright bourgeoisie in the last election. Sanders could have been a real voice for the proletariat. This is the loss people should be focusing on, not Hillary's loss to Trump. It was a total defeat in the only choice that mattered.
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Phyllis Gobbleshaw - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:48:56 EST ID:tf1vjciG No.394922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394920

You'll get called a Lenin worshipper for acknowledging the existence of proles in america. You can't exactly convince people who act and vote against their own interests with those words. The american prole has been taught to indulge in active self hatred and before anything, that has to be undone.


What is the trend here? by Eliza Finderspear - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 23:01:31 EST ID:7G79XfRQ No.394903 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is this like the Gary Johnson folks here or is it well balanced on this board. Well discuss this guy and Ill know where the political compass is
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Cyril Sunkinridge - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:03:51 EST ID:twFvzBYh No.394912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394903
He was a libertarian wing nut who had no idea what the fuck he was doing and only got as far as they did due to the fact that they were rich.
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Rebecca Sosslecocke - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 19:51:23 EST ID:nnGa8DsR No.394915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
LITTLE TINY BABIES
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Cedric Senkintune - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:46:52 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.394921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have a philosophical affinity for libertarianism, but I think most people's interpretation of what that means is off. It has become the cult of the free market which is basically the cult of loyal slaves to people's corporate overlords. It seems completely antithetical to me to the basic principles of libertarianism. The government needs to step in and maximize people's personal freedoms, not ensure that other people can take them away. Our government is letting us be slaves and the libertarian ideology right now worships killing the government. It's just mostly anti-government anti-tax hatred with no understanding of the bigger picture or really what the government's role in enforcing the optimal social contract really is or why it's important. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 because I hated the two party system and thought there was potential for the libertarian party and I wanted it to get past the vote threshold it needed for various status and funding from the government, but in 2016 I just wondered if giving funding to the group of idiots the libertarian part currently encompasses would be a good idea or not and ultimately it wasn't enough to drive me to the polls.

I still consider myself a radical libertarian who wants to see a radical change in how we do things, dismantling our consumer society that runs on greed and move towards a system where people have more free time and resources that are ensured by the government. We can go to star trek shit right now people, we don't have to fight automation tooth and nail because it will take away people's jobs. The only thing that matters is production and distribution of that production. The current system where people are slaves to their corporate overlords and work at a break necks pace to buy shit they don't need and that won't make them happy needs to end. It only makes the lives of the wealthy overlords better and makes everyone else miserable.


DECES LA FRANCE by Jenny Brorringchet - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 23:43:31 EST ID:FvS7gpUy No.394394 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Commie here, and I noticed the French left is more pathetic than any other. They shilled for a neoliberal candidate that was to the FAR RIGHT of Le Pen on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE except immigration.

Now Macron is calling for resurrecting the fucking MONARCHY lmao.

REAL LEFTISTS VOTE FOR LONGER WORK WEEKS, IMPERIALIST WAR, AND MONARCHY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE RACIST!! SMASH THE FRENCH REVOLUTION FOR ANTI RACIST SOLIDARITY!!!

Seriously what in the fuck were they thinking? This is beyond selling out, this is riding on the cocks of out and out reactionaries to oppose a candidate who was more progressive on every issue except one. How the fuck did the French left become so fearful and complacent?
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Hugh Horringhit - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:37:06 EST ID:IaepfqX2 No.394874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394869
>>394873

This is a meaningless discussion. Is the point to argue that the U.S. is more moral because their bombs kill fewer civilians than barrel bombs dropped out of a helicopter, or Russia's unguided munitions?

None of them have much of an issue with killing civilians, but the U.S. has felt the need to maintain its image of 'lawful good' with its allies and for hearts-and-minds strategies, so they try to reduce collateral damage through guided weapons. However, if the U.S. really cared about not killing civilians, their entire foreign policy history would be a lot less murderous.

There are only bad hombres among the key players in the Syrian war. Arguing endlessly about who is the least bad (as if you'd ever reach a consensus anyway, amirite) is pointless.
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Shit Crinkinback - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:04:30 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.394880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394874
>Is the point to argue that the U.S. is more moral because their bombs kill fewer civilians than barrel bombs dropped out of a helicopter, or Russia's unguided munitions?
Only in cases where the US's bombing decreases the number of barrel bombs dropped from helicopters or unguided munitions.

If this was Iraq pt II where there would have been no conflict if the US didn't get involved, the US would be the bad guys here.
This is closer to Bosnia than Iraq.

>Arguing endlessly about who is the least bad (as if you'd ever reach a consensus anyway, amirite) is pointless.
It's certainly not pointless in cases where one entity is bombing civilians and is somehow considered benevolent because the entity trying to stop them can't do so without absolutely zero civilian casualties.
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Jack Goodhall - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:52:27 EST ID:MInFkeKq No.394909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394873
>Do you really require proof
If you're going to declare that something has "far less chance" of something then be prepared to defend that statement.

If you don't want people to question how you compare quantifiable probabilities, don't bring up the idea of comparing quantifiable probabilities. Not that difficult.
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Nathaniel Puckleforth - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:04:48 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.394910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394909
Quit being obtuse, it's readily apparent but impossible to quantify how many more casualties are caused by dropping clusterbombs, dumb bombs, barrel bombs, white phospherous, etc in a city than using weapons that can hit a specific room of a specific building.
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Oliver Muggleson - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:00:26 EST ID:IaepfqX2 No.394911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394880

>It's certainly not pointless in cases where one entity is bombing civilians and is somehow considered benevolent because the entity trying to stop them can't do so without absolutely zero civilian casualties.

I could agree with you if I thought the U.S.' intentions were to stop Assad from bombing civilians because the U.S. really cared about civilians not dying, but I don't really think they care about that. From Hiroshima to Iraq to current drone strike campaigns, the U.S. has killed civilians like it's nobody's business.

What the U.S. cares about is publicity, image and soft power. If their military behaves too ruthlessly, it'll be harder to sell the Truman Doctrine (also known as "world policing") to the voters and to its allies and the rest of the international community, and so it must try to behave a little better than its rivals, but not to the extent that good behavior is allowed to hamper actual results.

Meanwhile, Russia doesn't care about soft power because the decks are stacked against them anyway, and they know they will face stiff resistance to their foreign policy no matter how few civilians they kill (not to mention that their allies are also autocratic, shitty regimes that couldn't care less about civilian casualties).

It's got nothing to do with the U.S. being more morally upstanding than Russia - it's just two different geopolitical strategies.


Fuck it, I'm voting Red next election. by Martin Purringlut - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:56:02 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.394036 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How many of you people got true socialist parties in your countries? I do, and I'm throwing my vote in for 'em.

I mean, we've all watched the far left doing a real comeback the last years, even to the point of trying to rebrand themselves into not-nazis.

It's fucking time to stop this liberal/labour strategic voting. If you got some true reds in your country, start to walk the walk comrade. The liberal dimwits have clearly shown where they're at, and labour parties still answer to their free-market bourgeoisie masters as they've always done. We're all tired of these people, both alt-right and us blood-red ffs.
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Golden Senpai - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 01:52:27 EST ID:XqOr0TAj No.394488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394466
Correct that they are a false dichotomy but they are both equally ideologies as
>>394475 said.

In terms of economics, they are both a set of preconditions to base your economic theory on. Modern economic theory takes private property as a precondition. Communism doesn't have private property so most researched economic theory doesn't work within that domain.
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Jack Blackwell - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 07:02:21 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.394491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394466
>one is a complete political ideology, the other just just an economic function

You don't think that believing that an individual has the right to claim legal ownership of natural resources, the labour of others, whole areas of the planet, and even ideas, is an ideology?
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Isabella Midgeshaw - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 12:07:19 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.394497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You know, I've really come to like this thread. Reminds me of the good old days way before the memester Trumpet plague, before the libertarians left and the socialists got way too jaded for their own good.
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Ernest Blankincocke - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 16:27:04 EST ID:S4j4Jd7W No.394743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's some that's pretty radical. Unfortunately they're all just awful pieces of SJW shit.
They're all useful idiots for the ones with property.

They ruin the chances for success of the workers because they cling to stupid, artificial conflicts that don't need to exist and only benefit capitalists.
The conflict with the "far-right" shouldn't exist. Being against ethnic nationalism has been associated with being left and now it's mandatory to be like that or you'll be perceived as being against the workers movement while really it doesn't help us at all.

I'm still trying to figure out economics so I'm far from sure which faction really has the right choice. Most groups have based their ideology on what sounds nice but don't have enough information to be sure that their way won't just make the world a poor shithole.
I think syndicalism sounds like it might be a good idea but I can't claim to know enough to say that it would really work. There's a big risk that the unions would get ruined by personal politics. The ones at the top might run the syndicate in a way that just benefit themselves but isn't good for the people. They could use their power to prevent criticism by labeling it as "anti-workers" and use the syndicates resources to spread propaganda (or "socialist education") to convince people that the ones opposing the selfish leaders are actually just capitalists.
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Fuck Genningstere - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:08:38 EST ID:kosw8Fl2 No.394907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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although i am a libertarian i really like it when the government buys things in bulk and gives them away in order to cut down the distribution cost of store airconditioning.

i always say that 20% well spent is more money on the table than 35% spent on subsidies. make bulk contracts for knee braces and artificial joints, it is the same system that won world war 2.


Donald Trump Jr and the dishonesty of right wing media by Cornelius Chimblefield - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 22:11:32 EST ID:HsGDoYnF No.394550 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I'm sure as of now we all know Donald Trump Jr has released emails incriminating himself so he could make the rounds on right wing media before the NY times published them.

But what intrigued me the most how within seconds of tweeting the emails all the right wing talking heads agreed this exonerated him, the exact opposite of what emails actually did. Some seemingly believing they were actually about the original adoption cover story.

I'd like the right leaning people on this board to take this as a time to reflect on the voices they let inform them. Either they will always lie to you, or they are so incompetent they assumed the emails said what they wanted them to and didn't read them.

I'd also like the left leaning people here to ask themselves seeing how there will be zero repercussions for what many are calling treason, what can you do to change the system?
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Shit Fuckingshit - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 03:44:02 EST ID:T10a/0me No.394887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394884
>Trump didn't hand them over to the media

You're right, instead he made them public on twitter for the world to see.

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr
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Phyllis Pommerwine - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:50:44 EST ID:HpJPm84P No.394893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394887
>>394884
and neither of this matters. Again, Trump, Sr. and the media have, in the face of whistle blowers, tried to move the conversation away from the illegal activity they've surfaced toward vilifying the whistle blower themselves.

Trump tried to discredit information or change the subject by calling it "leaked", but it doesn't matter who the leaker is or that information was leaked or how information was released. All that matters is the veracity of the information.

In this case, there's no reason to doubt the veracity of Trump Jr.'s emails.
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Albert Checkleworth - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:35:24 EST ID:DZqA5lfe No.394897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The lack of consequences for any of Trump's actions are indicative of bigger problems at hand
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Thomas Caddlestut - Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:10:24 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.394898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394897
Bingo!
The US is no longer under the rule of law. It is under the Rule of Trump. He is literally immune from any and all repercussions. The GOP is the only one who can stop him, and they are too busy gargling his dusty old jizz to do anything.

Mark my words, we will see Trump start nullifying election results he doesn't like. Possibly as soon as the mid-terms.
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Hugh Passlelodge - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:06:44 EST ID:EkRX+tDd No.394918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394897

what laws has he broken?

what consequences should he face and for what? he hasnt even overreached any of his powers (yet) like obama did on the daily.


Utah has had it up to here with Trump by David Sunnerkit - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:46:50 EST ID:JCI8Q5Ex No.394013 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So even Utah, one of the most reliable Republican strongholds in the country, is getting fed up with Trump. Jason Chaffetz, a Mormon Republican rep who is stepping down to run for governor, apparently finally feels free enough now to speak his mind about the Orange One:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/338408-chaffetz-trump-administration-almost-worse-than-obamas
>“The reality is, sadly, I don't see much difference between the Trump administration and the Obama administration. I thought there would be this, these floodgates would open up with all the documents we wanted from the Department of State, the Department of Justice, the Pentagon,” Chaffetz said.
>“In many ways, it's almost worse because we're getting nothing, and that's terribly frustrating and, with all due respect, the attorney general has not changed at all. I find him to be worse than what I saw with [former Attorney General] Loretta Lynch in terms of releasing documents and making things available. I just, that's my experience, and that's not what I expected,” he said.

Meanwhile, latest poll shows Trump has a majority unfavorable rating in the state:
http://www.utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/13554-poll-majority-of-utahns-view-president-trump-unfavorably

So how do Trumpets explain losing the favor of such a reliable red state? Cracks in the Republican coalition? Conspiracy by the Mormon Mafia? Revenge for fucking with Romney? Cuckservatives? An incompatibility between moderate Mormon morality vs. frogposting edgelord xenophobia? Or maybe a recognition of the long-term damage that Trump's divisive, corrupt incompetence does to the conservative movement overall?

Trump may very well keep the Evangelical South and the future till the end of time, but the periphery of American conservatism seems to be losing patience. How long until more conservative communities start to get disillusioned?
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Isabella Blatherville - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:12:58 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.394755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394735
No kidding. Mormon food in notoriously bland and stuck in the 1950s.

I will though withdraw my mayonnaise assessment, and sign on to Lillian Bardwell's Funeral Potato Thesis.

Excellent comparison.
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Clara Brookridge - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:59:35 EST ID:AfUelZDs No.394837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394735
Lmao what kind of bizarre throwback Death Cult names their signature dish Funeral *Anything*?

Anyway, back on topic, a Utah senator just torpedoed Trumpcare:
http://fox13now.com/2017/07/17/utah-senator-mike-lee-to-vote-no-on-senate-health-bill/

And the dance continues.
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Nell Gashwit - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:26:36 EST ID:Nt+nXqp9 No.394840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP, to answer your question, how can Trump lose favor in these red states? Well, so far Trump's presidency, as said in the article, just feels the same as Obama's presidency in terms of action and policy.

It's just another guy wielding presidency to appeal to his investors and scare his opponents and then strong arm people. When it comes to improving this country, Trump hasn't done much of anything. At this point, a lot of voters feel like Trump just lied to them for their votes.
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Jack Blellybanks - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:12:46 EST ID:15fhL5/p No.394870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394013
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865684554/Utah-leaders-react-to-Trumps-pitch-for-Russian-cybersecurity-partnership.html
Apparently the Mormon Mafia doesn't like the Russian Mafia coming onto their turf.

>On Monday morning, Rep. Chris Stewart, R-Utah, who also sits on the House Intelligence Committee, told KSL Newsradio's Doug Wright that the U.S. should work to develop a positive relationship with Russia but that the president's idea was ill-concieved.
>"They’re the most aggressive, most effective cyberattackers in the world," Stewart said. "Why in the world would we think we could partner with them and bring them into any part of our security access on that.
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Nigel Pazzlelure - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:07:52 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.394871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394870
Yeah, what was THAT about? Imagine if Obama has said, "Hey, we should work with Russia to secure out elections." Their heads woulda popped!


#CNNBlackmail by Cornelius Siggleridge - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 02:30:35 EST ID:qHkXlXek No.394304 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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CNN blackmailing a 15 year old over making a fucking fake wrestling meme is #1 on US trends. WWE and Vince McMahon must be loving all this free publicity.
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Graham Claydale - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 12:46:19 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.394789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394749
>i'm wondering if this might have been the same thing that caused the complacency in the left after Obama's victory. people just got intellectually lazy because they were in power so it was just like "fuck it, fuck you."

Holy shit, this might actually be what fucks the alt-right and Trumptards over in the long run. They'll get lazy and complacent like some of us did (which in turn, created SJWs as a consequence), giving us room to REALLY improve our strategy and blow them the fuck out four years from now.

Trump getting kicked out and Pence becoming an abandoned lame duck out of the gate will only make matters worse for them.
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Jack Pusslefurk - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:46:55 EST ID:gdt3qyTb No.394831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394789
>Obama: protects Wall Street, bombs Middle East, arms terrorists, breaks promises
>"it's the Republican's fault for obstructing, he's just playing 6th-dimensional Mancala, Hope and Change!"

>Trump: protects Wall Street, bombs Middle East, arms terrorists, breaks promises
>"fake news, #winning, liberal tears, #MAGA!"

Truly, the ride never ends.
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Nell Gashwit - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:37:44 EST ID:Nt+nXqp9 No.394842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
CNN needs to get sued for this shit. We need to set a standard that people like CNN can't just flex and threaten people. Look what happened to those people who published Hulk Hogan's sex tape; sued brankrupt. Sure, this isn't like that, but we should at least scare groups like CNN so they cut the shit right away. CNN could easily ruin a person's life.
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Jenny Finnerwire - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:08:06 EST ID:c7+C7mtQ No.394852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394842
>Look what happened to those people who published Hulk Hogan's sex tape; sued brankrupt. Sure, this isn't like that
Lmao wtf.

"Let me bring up this example to illustrate my point then immediately refute my own example a second later"
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Cedric Pickledag - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:28:15 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.394857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394842
Publicly available information connecting a person to things they're saying on the internet is entirely different from a private sex tape.

It would have been perfectly ethical to include the guy's name and an overview of what he says in public forums in the context of showing where this meme came from.


Hoe can anyone fight this? by Isabella Blatherville - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 23:46:31 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.394764 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Dead serious question here -

When this is the level of discourse, logic among the GOP base, how can anyone defeat them?

How can anyone beat this kind of deep seated belief system?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFKWnMlhTls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_m4y5quuy8
BASTA!
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Jack Pusslefurk - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:57:59 EST ID:gdt3qyTb No.394832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394764
Easy, take a page from Israel's book. Clear out the South and open it up for "settlements" for Northerners, blacks and immigrants. Pack the rednecks in one big reservation out West in some square state with 3 electoral votes. Problem solved.

I guarantee you the rest of the world will look the other way once you finally get the balls to exise the cancer that is killing your country and the world.
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Shit Geddlewell - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:15:41 EST ID:iYYYad4Q No.394835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394832
I'd rather see all the liberals and minorities moved to a reservation tbh.
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Martha Bengersick - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:30:22 EST ID:PKU1A7S8 No.394836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394835
We know you would, Bubba. In the short time since you immigrated here, you've managed to paint a very convincing caricature of a one-dimensional, simpleminded, superstitious, uneducated, Southern partisan who has never had an idea in his head that Fox News didn't preapprove for him ahead of time.

Nobody here was expecting any better of you, believe me.
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Clara Brookridge - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:02:08 EST ID:AfUelZDs No.394838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394832
>Pack the rednecks in one big reservation out West
So like the Trail of Tears, but with Walmart scooters? I'd love to see that.
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Hedda Crocklestedge - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:21:31 EST ID:R7/IHTQn No.394839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP, clearly your problem is not against the GOP but really against theocrats; people who use religion as an essential part of politics. We tried to outlaw such bullshit, but God knows our history of McCarthyism and our current Bible Belt do nothing to help that. We've got public schools legally allowed to teach creationism and allow students to never learn evolution, and so on and so forth. Really, we need to crack down on religion in the USA. The USA is about freedom, sure, but religion entering public education and office needs to be strictly banned and enforced. That's really the best we can do; is make sure all children, including religious ones, get a uniform, objective education based on the highest of sciences and academia. If religion is taught in school, it must be in history class or something akin to that.

Can we fix the problem now? No. They've got their rights. All we can do is outvote them.


Absolutely Insane Antifa Says Police Horse Was Racist Trump Supporter by TRUMP SUPPORTER - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 03:45:46 EST ID:wxu+R6h6 No.394768 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Absolute Degeneracy. The horse comment starts at 3:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcD5wZNtVjg&feature=youtu.be&a
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Thread was locked by: Mintzs
Reason: Horses aren't racist. Chickens on the other hand, disgusting.
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 07:09:17 EST ID:tip6eSpV No.394775 Report Quick Reply
>>394768
I usually delete these threads but I had to check the video.

Fucking hell.

Like the song goes 'A horse is a horse, of course, of course'
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Barnaby Greendale - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 07:32:04 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.394777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394775
Why not at least lock this? /pol/ is for discussing politics.
This seems like some nobody said stupid shit.

Well actually, this seems like an attempt to paint anyone who supports an idea by selecting the very worst supporters of that idea.
Which still isn't what politics ought to be.
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 09:28:52 EST ID:tip6eSpV No.394780 Report Quick Reply
>>394777

Amen to that.


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