>Can /pol/ recommend anything I can read to justify my antidemocratic beliefs?

Stormfront

Revleft

/pol/

Any 20 year old

>>289390
Shouldn't you read in order to gain knowledge, rather than seek to justify a particular belief? Why not just read everything and see if it meshes with your anti democratic views? If not, maybe it will make you uestion your existing beliefs, which is never a bad thing.

>>289851
this.

>pls give me something that i can not think and pat my own back to

>>289851
There are literally more than a hundred books in the world. It would take a long fucking time to read them all.

>>291085
In the muslim world there is only one book!

Yes.

Wow somebody just smoked weed for the first time.

Don't take it to seriously.

>>291016

You will get a woman assigned to you, so you can have real sex instead of depraved fantasies

>>291082

Thats a deal breaker for me.

>>291088
A man then?

I don't want war but i also don't want to dismantle the military. At least not until we're in some kind of utopia.

>>291086
But if we dismantled the military this would be some kind of utopia.

>>291052
All those green grassed lawns are perfect to create small sustainable farms and grazing for some goats. A typical suburban house could hold two families, or even more depending on size.

I have been brainstorming a story idea as a matter of fact, about a murder in an America after a Red/Black alliance overthrows the US Gov't. On the coasts they establish a socialist workers state, and the Anarchists get the heartland. The two camps have a tacet alliance, neither side doing anything to provoke the other. The criminal suspect flees from the socialist area to the anarchist area, and a detective has to follow him in. ANYWAY, I was in the 'burbs for work and driving down the a residential street. I thought of how awesome it would be, instead of pretty petunias and sunflowers all over the front yard, how about some corn stalks and tomato plants. Little goats tied to telephone polls and kids running and playing in the streets.

>Local governments can start state owned enterprises and kick out many capitalist ones.
>Implying a state-run company can compete with a free-market one

>>291068

>implying the BBC doesn't out-compete its privately-owned rivals

>>291069

>Implying people watch Sherlock over Celebrity Juice

BTW - The real barrier to something like this, beyond getting recruits, is the government of the county/state the suburb is in.

Did you know that many states now outlaw PUBLIC networks?

http://www.muninetworks.org/content/big-bucks-why-north-carolina-outlawed-community-networks

So, say your cable co is fucking you over and is in a monopoly. You could do what Tacoma, WA did and setup your own municipal service. That is a pretty socialist thing to do.

Except it is illegal in many states.

You have no idea how far these fucks can go to mess with such a group. You all put solar panels on roofs and try to start your own power grid? They will outlaw that. Shit, in NC (which seems to be a good place to be if you a Libertarian kajllionaire...) they are talking about banning sales of Teslas because "herp derp...'lectric cars are evils and takes ours monis!"

Many cities even ban vegetable gardens in the front yards...

So....yeah. Don't underestimate the ability of the powers that be to fuck you over.

>>291055
But whoever was the baddest, strongest dude, or the son of the baddest strongest dude, was the leader, called the shots, and got the best steaks. How is that different?

>>291058
it's not institutionalised. the baddest dude slept in the same tent as all the others and if he were in a position of mastership over them (rather than merely leadership, see franz oppenheimer) he'd soon have his throat slit in his sleep.

I see commies are out to prove their amazing ignorance on all things once again?

>>291062

Ignore the obvious trolls and don't reply to obvious bait threads. Starve them.

I don't like communism, because I enjoy eating food. There always seems to be famines with communism.

>>291012

I wonder how a lot of these soldiers would do if they were forced to live on the streets of Detroit or Oakland... Their pussy little PTSD would be a hell of a lot worse for it, I can tell you that much for sure.

>>291047

...

Please say that to a grunt with a missing limb from an IED. Detriot niggas don't build roadside bombs you stupid fuck.

>>291012

MInor PTSD? What the fuck.

US soldiers are useless cowards, no wonder they've lost every war in the past 20 years.

>>291050

>PTSD is for cowards

You've never been in a fight in your life, what do you know?

>>291050
It's never been about winning or losing, and if anything, the CIA and NATO only push the wars to "losing" on the American side because it mean permanent bases and MAD cash.
I'm talking a few million a missile cash.
The soldiers are pawns in an arms race for control.

The PTSD is what normal men are left with after seeing their friends die and performing the same atrocity that caused him such pain. It's like collateral damage, with some collateral damage sprinkled on top.

Everyone dies, no one wins, everyone hates each other, and more people need more missiles.

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>>291057
Yes, examine it.

Seriously, the gun debate is pretty much the NRA and the far-right VS everyone else.

That is not much of a debate.

There is a huge amount of room for moderate gun owners to speak out. But they don't seem to be organizing much or saying much. Hell, the NRA just hired a Neo-Confederate to run shit. That is pretty fucked up politics.

Moderate gun owners who want to have a dialog beyond the NRA take of "AK's 4 ALL!" are really needed on the national stage. I'll be honest.

>>291071

Any moderate gun owners I talk to, and myself, are at the point where we don't care what laws get passed. We're ready to move into civil disobedience territory, because there is no room for us on the national stage. The only way that pro-control people will talk reasonably with us is if we first concede that guns are a bad thing. Thats not a fair way to start a conversation. As far as I'm concerned, I am going to keep my guns. If that makes me a criminal then so be it. They have taken a productive member of society and thrown him to the dogs. None of the options being discussed would prevent any kind of tragedy, they are emotional knee jerks, and the longer the debate goes on, the more people realize it. So really, the NRA is doing exactly what needs to be done: buying time.

>>291072

> They have taken a productive member of society and thrown him to the dogs.

Please explain. Nobody has lost anything rights-wise with guns AFAIK. The NRA wants you to THINK that, but nothing has been passed.

I love how American gun owners seem to think that anti-gun automatically means a country without guns.

In even the most anti-gun European country you can get guns.

The only thing that matters is that you can't be a mentally ill/depressed pill popper if you want a gun.

>>291074
i like that americans who pride themselves on having, by far, the most powerful military on the planet (which is true) think they can protect themselves with an ar-15.
either the army sides with the people or it dosent. that will decide the outcome.

I actually saw a video on youtube that showed a bunch of right wingers getting together to celebrate Orwell and his work. Some people on the right don't realize the difference between libertarian socialism and authoritarian socialism. They read Orwells critiques of the authoritarian left and think it's a critique of socialism in general. So, to answer your question, yes. It can be used to debate socialism and it has. I actually read a quote about it the other day:

>>If the book itself, Animal Farm, had left any doubt of the matter, Orwell dispelled it in his essay Why I Write: 'Every line of serious work that I’ve written since 1936 has been written directly or indirectly against Totalitarianism ... dot, dot, dot, dot.' "For Democratic Socialism" is vaporised, just like Winston Smith did it at the Ministry of Truth, and that’s very much what happened at the beginning of the McCarthy era and just continued, Orwell being selectively quoted.

(whole thing is here: http://www.pbs.org/thinktank/transcript990.html)

Orwell did mention capitalists in 1984, when the old man in the bar tells Winston about his bad encounter with one. He he also mentioned that any trace of hope lies in the proletariat (proles). Those are small bits that hint at his socialist ideas but that's about all the socialism I got from it. To me, the book seemed more like a criticism of totalitarianism, nationalism, Stalinism, and an overall warning against indoctrination and how dangerous it can become.

Fun fact: The doctored photo Wilson sees is based off of the execution of Nikolai Yezhov and Stalins attempt to remove him from history by editing him out of a photo they were both in.

>>290977

Everyone here is a liberal.

>>290977
Liberals say minorities should be treated equally despite the fact they're minorities
Neoliberals say minorities should be treated better because they're minorities

The book was a reaction of Orwell to what was going on in Russia.

It's not meant for capitalists and right-wing cocksuckers.

It's meant for you and me. Us socialists.

It's meant to be a word of warning. Never become like the communists, the fascists, the capitalists.

And don't be afraid of looking at your own ideals, and seeing where you have been blind to your own mistakes.

It's an inward travel, into the self. It invites you to look at your socialist ideology, and cut out the cancer that creeps in over time.

It's a word of warning, and it cements an element of humanism into socialism.

It's also quite scary that no communist writer, no capitalist writer and no fascist writer ever bothered to write their own 1984.

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look up north korea. im not even kidding, i wish i was...
theyve basically created exactly the society described sans the two way tvs. just google the stories of defectors particularly when related to camp 22.

damn good book though, but its a shame to see it in action.

how dare they make children in asia work all day for a bowl of rice instead starving to death free

Progressive liberals: Catching shit from the commies for advocating mixed economies, and from nationalists for spreading equal rights under the law.

>>291013

> how dare they make children in asia work all day for a bowl of rice instead starving to death free

That bread is stolen from the mouths of the American worker

>Progressive liberals: Catching shit from the commies for advocating mixed economies, and from nationalists for spreading equal rights under the law.

Kill liberals. All of them.

>>291051

>Kill liberals

See what I mean?

What ass could this shit be coming from?

>That bread is stolen from the mouths of the American worker

You mean the morbidly obese american worker?

Then everbody wins!

>>291032

I agree for the most part. The government is 100% at fault for the existence of private prisons. It's basically a way to launder government funds into private hands as profit. Nothing wrong with profit in general, but its pretty fucking evil when that profit comes from how many people you own...it's slavery in a literal sense.

>>291036
Yes maybe exile. Also foreigners should be sent back to their own country. If their country won't take them then someone else can do it if they want to keep their foreign aid. It can be a bit like a prison colony.

It's literally the work of Satan, if Satan were real.

Look into Wackenhut Corporation OP and its subsidiary company G4S securities.

Wackenhut is a Private Investigation corporation with global clout. G4S securities is a guard and prison service.

Do the math.

>>291041

Oh and some additional addition for you; Wackenhut's founder George Wackenhut was a former CIA agent and one of the Republican Party's largest donors, aided by his profits from his Investigation corporation. He was so right winged that he once called George Bush Sr. a "pinko".

George Wackenhut's numerous lobbying groups pushed and maintained a lot of nonviolent offender laws.

Again, do the math.

>>291042

If you ever wanted evidence of a bona fide 'Illuminati' it would be the connections groups like these share with corporations that profit off of prison labor and slave labor and their connections to lobbying groups which push for things like corporate personhood, prison sentences for nonviolent offenders. Then those groups connections to the intelligence agencies which collect the data used to spy on and eventually prosecute people for wrongdoings the very same people doing the spying made wrong in the first place.

G4S guards a lot of foreign factories which are really no different than prisons in everything but name.

Their guards are infamous for regular indictment for severe abuses of prisoners. Rape, beatings, torture, death at the hands of guards, that sort of thing. They hire very vicious amoral men and women.

The connection the prison industrial complex has with mercenary groups, nationalistic brainwashing and war done for profit is just another link in a big old chain wrapped around humanity.

Why do you think big corporations rushed into Iraq and Afghanistan after America decimated their defenses? It wasn't to bring them freedom. It was to get busy building factories and make use of a new slave labor force.

They show you that shit on Fox News or CNN, how the Iraq people get burgers and fries now like it's a big deal for them, another link in the chain being the mass media propaganda constantly covering for this bullshit and all these food corporations dominating what people eat.

The prison industrial complex is really, really big OP. Most of the bars you can't even see.

>>290897
The only democrats (and republicans for that matter) that buddy up too close to the corporate kingpins are the politicians. Most people on both sides can agree that our politicians are too close and friendly to our corporations. In this regard, the politicians are radical. We need some moderate politicians, and by moderate, I mean some that are closer to the average American.

>>290950
the average american is a fucking commie

>>290951

I don't think "I want more money" makes one a communist man

>>290958
of course it does when that money is currently held by the rich

>>290950
"Moderate" is still not the word you're looking for. The moderates in congress right now are the MOST corrupt. What you mean is honest. We need honesty and integrity. Money is of course why we do not have this.

>>290951
>>290961
There's nothing wrong with economic equality. It led to the best economy in human history some 50 years ago. We can have it again. The whole world this time.

>They should be the first to die if the USA finally degrades into a true dog-eat-dog world.

But they wont. Truth is we're the most well prepared political faction in the U.S.

Sorry OP, no painful deaths for us. Also a lot of us will be protecting your stupid belligerent ass in the event of social collapse.

P.S. you're a faggot. Not that there's anything wrong with that BECAUSE I'LL DEFEND YOUR FREEDOMS YOU STUPID FUCK.

>>290969

Also is that Hornady 7.62?

Hornady sucks ballz yo. Gimmicky ass red gel bullshit ammo. nb

>>290972
wolf 5.56x45MM rubber tips, the good stuff is sealed water tight, this was what was available for a quick photo shoot(no pun intended). and the great ammo shortage of 2013 continues, beggars can't be choosers.

>preppers

>>291018

LOL I remember that thread, you should've screencapped my response to that guy instead but looks like you're also a moron.