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Trump and varying Republicans defeat by Jenny Hosslehall - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:32:40 EST ID:keuOVrcY No.389857 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Trump was giving a nice (I'm soo great) victory/campaign speech 'while' this, not a defeat, but loss in their interests was being realized by the res of the country.

People complained about Obama's ongoing so-called campaign. Trump was holding a rally while this withdraw was taking place. Surely this I guess as he says, punched him back in the
nose.

This will continue, as it has on and on.

The days of being simply obstructionists to get what they want will continue to fail, as it always has been in failed representation.
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Hannah Cemblemidge - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 22:58:05 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.390044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390011
Despite the graphs clearly showing that it improves when Obama takes office. That's next level denial.
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Cyril Didgestuck - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:11:09 EST ID:l/JM/mpg No.390045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390011
what recession? no really, pay for that iraq war yet? ever volunteered to change a soldiers diapers who lost his legs in that war. No? Just a volunteer for all the
crap democrats have to clean up after you when you people screw everything up.
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Reuben Pickworth - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:14:16 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.390046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390045
>>what recession
>>blame democrats for iraq
>>this stupid
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Nicholas Didgeware - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:19:43 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.390048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390046
Dude, just wait till Trump claims 9/11 happened under Obama.
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Charlotte Gicklewed - Tue, 28 Mar 2017 01:25:23 EST ID:EZyxEX00 No.390051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390048
Eh, they blamed Clinton for 9/11 after 'the process' fox news ect eventually got to it.
Although one of the first things on the Bush agenda was to dismantle, or 'blow up 'Clinton's governments ''established' anti-terrorism program. I mean this was like as fast as 28
days he did this. No reason to do so. They got lied/led us into total panic.
Fast talkers even got us into Iraq. We all gave up.

'The nation was finally united'


Future of the left by Martha Clundlestun - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:47:01 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389728 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Will leftist movements ever be brought back en masse to the west or will alternative movements such as communalism be the new reprensentation of the left?
I'd hope that this begins with class consciousness and an understanding of toxic neoliberalism and fictious capital.
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Noah Bumppington - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:36:18 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.389969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389960
The context of the trolley problem implies choosing that option is comparable to running someone over with a streetcar.
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Matilda Deblinglock - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 00:20:46 EST ID:t4Ezfw0J No.389974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389969
no it's a gross misuse of the multi track drifting meme.
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Toeach Hisown - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 02:09:34 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.389977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389974
Is it? I see it presenting Rojava as an alternative to the status quo of a bad choice and a worse choice. It builds upon the foundation of the standard trolley meme, using it as a springboard in to the more expanded point the artist is trying to convey.

I'll agree that the textual component doesn't necessarily clarify the difference between "a strong and independent Syria" and "Rojava," and could have been worded better, but it yields a more coherent message when taking in to account the other context clues.

Whether or not one agrees with the content of said message is, of course, another matter.
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Phyllis Goodman - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 02:55:16 EST ID:DiXMKba0 No.389979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389977
what no, that's exactly the opposite of what it means. No reasonable person can oppose the experiment of Rojava (Erdogan has his reasons, and they're awful), but it isn't any kind of solution to the Syrian conflict in toto, because they can't govern all of Syria and they don't want to. From the Constitution of the Rojava Cantons:
>the Charter recognizes Syria’s territorial integrity and aspires to maintain domestic and international peace.
Saying "I support Rojava" is an edgy and irrelevant answer to a question that really isn't that difficult to answer. Regime change is always a major fuck-up, and in this case there are already Salafist militias operating in the country, so let Assad run the terrorists out and then you can levy economic and diplomatic sanctions on him.
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Insane in the Memebrain - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 04:38:53 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.389981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389979
I see what you're saying, but I was going for more of an objective critique of the image without contaminating it with my personal opinion. Whether or not it's "reasonable" in real life has little bearing on the principles of design the artist chose to invoke in a static piece, nor whether they were used effectively.

One might even say it's just vague enough to encourage the audience to do more research on the topic at hand, but I'd venture that's probably more of an artifact than the product of any deliberate intention.

That said, the most effective memes are the ones that cause thought, regardless of how they appear on the surface. Even if it looks like a shitpost, someone may be thinking later, "What's a Rojava?" In that sense, it would serve to accomplish the transfer of ideas the artist had in mind when creating the image, albeit in a tangential manner.

In my view, the artist is merely using symbolism to convey that the choice of forming an independently governed state exists (as opposed to an unsatisfactory regime or, worse, a foreign takeover), rather than commenting empirically on any real-world events which have taken place in Rojava. While I stand by my previous assessment, you are of course free to interpret it as you wish.


I'm imagining a thread by Kea !HDRt60.oOE - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 23:45:37 EST ID:B4hpXDXR No.389973 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, in this thread there'd be like a link to a google doc or something like that where each person outlines their own special snowflake political ideology. What they want to achieve, how they plan to achieve it.

Each of these ideologies would be able to be seen by everyone but only the person who owns that page would be able to edit it.

Then the thread on /pol/ would be just people critiquing and asking the makers of X ideology page to explain their position on A or B or C etc. Then, through dialogue, we would be able to flesh out where we stand on stuff. Maybe eventually through this process we could come up with some interesting new political ideologies.

I don't know how to achieve this because i'm technologically illiterate.

pic unrelated, i'm at work.


Make anti-capitalism great again by Frederick Picklebit - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:31:30 EST ID:h19uLDR2 No.389033 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This thread is for those of us more interested in the larger picture instead of American elections or identity politics. /pol/ has been filled with retarded tribal fighting between liberals and alt-right for the past year, and I'm sick of it. I know I can't be the only one thinking this way. I want to discuss the big, important issues.

Now, capitalism has done some good for our civilization, but with regards to the massive environmental challenges we now face along with ever-increasing wealth inequality, I think it's safe to say that capitalism is failing our species as a whole and has outlived its usefulness to us. So, IMO, we need to think about an alternative economic system.

So what are the alternatives to capitalism?

How do we steer the discussion away from a debate over trade policy and identity politics to where we want it, i.e. a broader discussion over which economic system serves our interests best?

How do we make anti-capitalism relevant again?

Liberals and alt-right, please take your kindergarten shit-flinging to literally any other thread
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Cornelius Cerringwan - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:59:49 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.389829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389825

>Antifa
>Ancap antifa

You do realize that Antifa are exclusively socialists, right? Like, at the socialist degree of "workers should own the means of production"?
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Graham Hammerstone - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:08:28 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389825
>anarcap
Literally a meme
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Graham Hammerstone - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:13:30 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People who don't know the definition of capitalism and socialism apperently spend their time on a fucking /pol/ board. Jesus fucking Christ, there's no excuse for y'all ignorance. +1 for the few good posts in this thread and OP
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Polly Suddleford - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 13:19:45 EST ID:Db9DuwtY No.389937 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, YOU aren't working.
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William Didgehug - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 14:17:21 EST ID:h19uLDR2 No.389940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389937

You say that, but I'm willing to bet that I've pulled harder, longer and more dangerous shifts than you ever will, sissy boy.

nb


Socialists by Charles Gunnerville - Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:20:00 EST ID:3l89hbDC No.388717 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Any socialists here? I mean proper socialists, not soft-lefts or liberal types. Genuine democratic workers' ownership achieved through revolution, not "tax teh rich"
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Eliza Gudgehood - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:59:25 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388947
>Left is a relative term
Not in politics. I get that in America anything that isn't neoliberal is left but c'mon, son. Academically speaking, left is not a relative term. It is meant to categorize ideologies.
>It is simply not synonymous with anti-capitalism
The horizontal LEFT axis of the political spectrum represents collectivism and anti-capitalism, be it in some mild bullshit minimalist form like a social democracy or fullblown socialism. Either way, that side is dedicated to at the very least restrict (scandi model) or immobalize capitalism.

>Im not particularly interested in splitting hairs between various denominations of marxism, im happy to refer to most of them as simply 'marxism'.
>I am not read on actual leftist ideologies so I just generalise them

Also, marxism is the critical analysis of capitalism. It is not a political ideology, it's economics. You can't clump dozens of ideologies together just because they share a central sentiment.
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Eliza Gudgehood - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 22:14:02 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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As for OP. Internationalism is the way foward. It is the duty of every revolutionary to help any sincere struggle. After all, the class struggle is itself international and transcends every border and culture. Setting our differences aside, through mutual political ground will finally yield some progress. We need to cooperate. We need to save radical theory from it's rigid outdated dogma. We cannot afford to split into smaller and smaller groups over trivial subjects. Have we forgotten the our cry of "Workers of the world unite!"? Anarchists need to work with demsocs and commies, and vice versa. With that said, we cannot allow scumbag leninists and other state-capitalists like filthy maoists hijack revolutions. Not to mention we cannot get ahead of ourselves and expect such radical change over such a short period of time. What's the motto about a revolutionary will not see socialism during his/her lifetime again?
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Walter Gabberforth - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:58:17 EST ID:ycKbQ+fr No.389899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389835
>Religion is the opium of the people, and that includes Islam.
This.
I get that Muslims, at least in Europe, are generally part of the underclass and get a lot of disproportionate and unjustified flack because of terrorism and the fact that poor people are North-African descent are more prone to be criminal than middle-class white guys. And since a lot of people want simple answers to societal problems, they conflate criminality caused by systemic poverty and general frustration with Islam, and that sucks.
But you aren't automatically my friend at all if you are a Muslim. If you hold reactionary views, I will think of you the same whenever you are a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, an agnostic/atheist, or whatever.

>We don't need to dogmatically support immigration either
Also this.
That said, I'm for the free movement of people around world, and against borders in general. I think the Schengen Area is a neat thing if only for traveling.
But the focus should be on helping poorer countries so people who live there won't want to emigrate for purely economical reasons and not out of love for a foreign culture.

>Distance ourselves from the faux-left, such as the "Socialist" party in France and the various 'labour' parties of Europe, that have more or less sold out to the capitalist forces.
Oui !
When people tell me the French Socialist party is leftist, I point out that most of their policies were almost the same as Sarkozy's ones. Before their implosion, they were basically a center-right party with a slightly more liberal stance of social issues (e.g. gay marriage).
The ones who fell very hard for the faux-left meme are the Americans, because of the Cold War. People thinking neoliberals like Hilary Clinton are communists are making me mad. I wonder if this mindset will wither away one day, but at least Bernie Sanders did a great thing by making "socialist" an acceptable word to use there again.
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Emma Drammlehetch - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 06:50:49 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389899
Good to see another socialist here. Shoutout the the anarchist(s) that has been lurking here for a couple of years and turned me into a leftist.
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Hamilton Gittingbury - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 10:22:02 EST ID:nSpV6TpJ No.389927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJeqp3rnYYw


Trump's Budget Proposal by Wesley Granddock - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:09:09 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.389407 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So Trump's budget is come out. Pretty standard Republican budget of cut everything that helps poor/working poor, pump the military etc.

It doesn't got after Medicare/Medicaid or Social Security which is usually part of their play. Trump did promise to keep these intact during his campaign.

Most likely this thing is DOA even with a Republican Congress because too many of the people hurt will be poor, rural whites (aka Trump voters). It also just offsets spending not really cuts the overall budget.

Biggest cuts is EPA (-31%), State Department (-29%) Department of Labor and the Department of Agriculture (-21% each).

Defense gets a +10% ($53 billion) and homeland security gets $2.8 billion.

Full list here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/15/us/politics/trump-budget-proposal.html
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Betsy Lightshit - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:48:07 EST ID:Sdpn5pvY No.389800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389785
Solar is good for when you can't have the others. Take a desert for instance, like AZ. Not much water, a little wind in the North, yes we have that nuke station by Palo Verde. But holy shit, do we get the sun. It would be a boon to the southwest because there is less and less hydro to be done.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:04:45 EST ID:x8x4wfOW No.389803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389800
Arizona should be converted into one giant hydro farm
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Jack Hickledale - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:19:17 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389800
And yet AZ has passed laws designed to cripple the solar industry....
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Doris Grimwater - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:34:59 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
alright cool so weve gotten to the part of the discussion where everyone begins to realize different technologies have their own merits and you use the right tool for the job
yes a hammer is useful tool... but you dont use a hammer to mow your lawn and you dont use a lawnmower to drive nails

solar isnt a blanket solution same with nuclear, hydro, geothermal, hydrogen, etc, etc ,etc
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Oliver Worthingforth - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:20:40 EST ID:Ta8rvEqQ No.389838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389810
you can thank the ancient right wing retirees who move there en masse and vote on every little thing when the young and middle aged barely vote at all.


Staging a popular revolt by Wesley Pullernidging - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:11:12 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389744 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Look,Americans on /pol/, I know some of you lean right and some of you lean left. But most of us have a common cause -- we're not getting enough liberty, whether that's economic liberty, social liberty, or physical liberty. I think there is actually growing support for replacing the United States government with something better, that we can all be satisfied with, instead of letting our current corrupt government - with deep corruption on both sides - have a go.

Obviously, our first enemy is the police, followed by the national guard and armed forces.

Think of it as a game. How would you stage a popular revolt in the USA? Would you co-opt the police and military, and if so, how? Would you defeat the police and military, and if so, how? Would you do it like Gandhi and his salt marches?

We need to rethink our strategies and come up with something that works. They assassinated everybody who got close. Kennedy, Kennedy, X, King, all of them mowed down because they came close to the goal of liberating the masses in the USA.

Now I don't care what your political beliefs are. All I need is your agreement that the current system does not work and is rife with corruption. We can form a new government and amend our constitution to prevent it from being corrupted in the future. We can put an end to bribery, and create an America in which the most conservative puritan and the most liberal hippie can live without being at odds with one another. All we have to do is get enough people together behind the idea. We can learn to live with our differences in a way that we do not exploit one another. A better world is possible, and you and I can make it.
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Archie Sockleberk - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:26:00 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think we're getting very close to the head of the nail ITT. Random thoughts on comments since my last post:
>>389792
>> the powers that be drive a wedge between them using, as you said, irresolvable or irreconciable differences
One aspect we can attack is the irresolvability of the differences. They actually only appear irreconcilable, there are aspects of them that if you take them a certain way cause them to be antithetical, but those aren't the only solutions. There are of course tolerant forms of Christianity that inherently respect the neighbor. There are many gay Christians (just to take the two types from your example.) There are just as many verses in the bible you can trot out to say why you shouldn't oppress other people as there are that say you should, but because there is ambiguity, and there is an incentive for them to create the division, they (the powers that be) focus on the differences and paint them as absolute categories that you are either with or against. But it's a lie, it's a misrepresentation of both sides, so one tactic I think is to just, wherever possible, upend the lie that there are more things different and divisive about us than similarities and common goals.

>>Stopping the bribery
This I think is another of one of the most important, if not the, prong of the attack. Let's follow the money. For as long as it can make someone money to keep our society fighting against itself, someone will be trying to do it. Hell, even long after it's a reasonable course of action and we have been doing things much better ways for centuries, someone will try to pull off the con again, because that's just what thieves do.
So just as systematically as we have to defuse the controlling myths planted in us when we encounter them in others, we need to do the rigorous detective work of following the money trail and expose people who are distorting our culture for their personal benefit. It won't put an end to it (the only way to put an end to it will be to take money entirely out of the equation) but it's the only way we can deal with that angle.

>>389795
>>A much more massive propaganda campaign
Yes, that would be great, but also, to go along with it, we would need a coherent ideology to inform the propaganda and representatives (law-making or otherwise...) willing to enact it.

>>389799
>>The creation of new states
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Reuben Cublingson - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 16:31:24 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389812
>one tactic I think is to just, wherever possible, upend the lie that there are more
>things different and divisive about us than similarities and common goals.

This is where we need massive propaganda, one wing of the movement.
>follow the money
Bingo. It's easier said than done since a lot of this stuff occurs off the books or is framed in a way that it's difficult to track (i.e, giving a Chinese diplomat a ridiculously good real estate deal.)

>feasibility of violent revolt
Here's a tricky part. Hands down, there is no way AIM or Black Panthers could take on the militarized police or military by themselves. Therefore, one option is to co-opt the military and police, and start a popular movement within their ranks supporting rebellion. It's especially hard there because the psychological profile of a soldier or a policeman is one that respects authority and rules very strictly. It is essential that we either gain their support or prepare ourselves to be mowed down like Gandhi's supporters in sacrificial protest.

>>389802
We do have a common enemy, it's just that those of us who identify with authority can't see it. Those people work against their own interests. I agree that the movement needs teeth -- it needs to replace the existing authority, through popular support as well as martial support.

I don't expect the bribers to go quietly, after all, they assassinated every single person who got close to awakening the sleeping behemoth of the masses.
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Cyril Dibberway - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:12:59 EST ID:VGQcFn/+ No.389817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks for this thread, I needed a good laugh!
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Fuck Commersteg - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:25:49 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.389818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Given Trump's overwhelming failure thus far, I dunno if you really need a revolt.
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Reuben Cublingson - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:31:20 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389817
:)
>>389818
On the contrary, when the government is weak is just the time to start this sort of thing. It's not quite weak enough yet, however.


Nobody is wrong by Nigel Dazzleham - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:55:26 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389467 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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You can no longer turn around and blame people, even if they voted against their self-interests and expect to win elections.
Nobody is at fault because they voted for Trump.

It is Trump's fault and it is our elected officials, fault for everything they choose to do in this country. As citizens, we only vote for them.


Voting is our only obligation so then we must ask ourselves why do people vote for things that harm them? Also, why would we support a party that is either too smart or too incompetent to convince people NOT to vote against their own self-interests.

Do we want to support a government that cannot communicate complex ideas simply enough for white working class men to understand?

We only vote, our responsibility ends there. I am not responsible for poor people giving their money away to the ultra-rich. I am not responsible for failing to communicate to poor people the complexities of health care and insurance in a way that can be understood without having a degree in political science.

I am not responsible for failing to communicate my idea effectively enough so that they can't be twisted and turned to scare poor people into voting for the other party.
I am not responsible for one party speaking stupidly enough and lying in order to win over votes.

All I am responsible for is how I vote. The parties are responsible for everything else.
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Martha Follercheck - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:38:43 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389789
Ever heard of a tax write-off? You don't have to pay taxes if you've got enough write-offs.
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Eliza Drullyfoot - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:59:34 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.389809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389771
>We should have listened to Ron Paul.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
The problem was that he was an Austrian, the psychoanalysis of economics.

We need things like progressive income tax, consumer protections, worker protections, the civil rights act, the EPA, etc to not be a capitalist dystopia.

Von Mises related.
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Charles Trotwater - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 16:46:18 EST ID:iEfdC2fb No.389816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah, we got people being high and mighty, like poor people who voted for Trump are getting what they asked for and getting burned. We are told to choose between two proven liar, scumbag humans and then riddled with contradictory statements and proofs from either side.

there is no clear way to view what is happening, we are all being manipulated. i'm sick of people trying to paint either side of voters as moronic or deserving of punishment, all I see is victims and oppressors
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Jack Hickledale - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:29:19 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389816
>Implying Trump voters have any critical thinking ability.

Dude, those fuckers could lose everything DIRECTLY because of a law Trump supported, and they would still vote twice for him!
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Jack Govingbot - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:02:22 EST ID:BRv0D0mL No.389894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389809

Don't compare psychoanalysis to austrian economics, that's absurd


How Obama Will Get Imprisoned by Hedda Bunman - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 16:18:41 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388993 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Been looking at the news regarding Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower, and noticed something disturbing.

The GOP....all of them apparently, are willing to investigate this matter. Yet, they have repeatedly shown little to no interest in regards to Russian meddling in the election and Jeff Sessions' blatant perjury.

Theory - The GOP will use the claims of wiretapping to create a "Super-Benghazi" style investigation. The goal will be to simply distract from the shit show that is the GOP right now. The investigation will reach "Ken Starr," levels of investigation. Meaning they will just keep the investigation going and switch focus in an attempt to come up with SOME dirt on Obama that they can make an issue out of. At some point, they will be forced to charge Obama with what will most certainly be either a false-charge, or something unrelated to the actual issue (like Clinton got caught on.) With the majority being the judge and jury in this case, Obama will most likely go to prison. You can also replace HRC with Obama, although they seem to have cooled on her for now.

tl;dr - Trump will lock Obama up over nothing so his shenanigans go unnoticed.
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Doris Grimwater - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:35:43 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389735
>It is not counter-factual, it is fact
we talking about alternative facts again?
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Fuck Heffinglock - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:30:09 EST ID:N+M5jlMw No.389776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389740
This whole thing looks like a minority of the American public and silent central majority decided to pick out a hammer at the store. After death may become like death after life.
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Fuck Heffinglock - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:31:10 EST ID:N+M5jlMw No.389777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389757
"it is fact" ---> implies alternative fact
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How Obama Will Get Imprisoned - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 04:48:24 EST ID:ZEuJZSDQ No.389784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Motorcade pulled over for doing 2mph under the limit, Barry found holding two eights, they send him up 20 years (8 served) for dealing. His defense fails to convince the jury that he was holding two strains just because hes a class act.
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Jack Hickledale - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:20:26 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389784
Like they won't just make it crack rocks....


Gerrymandering by Clara Blazzlestone - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 00:55:32 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389471 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Let's talk about it.

Here's an excellent video describing it and why its important:
https://youtu.be/D6GTpyhCL80
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Fuck Follyweck - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:53:19 EST ID:N7VKcDhz No.389559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389548
how so? that's literally how gerrymandering works. concentrate opposing party voters into as few districts as possible, spread our supporting party voters to be able to win just barely over 50%. that's how you maximize your party's gains and vice versa. it's a perfect representation, really.

you know what would solve all of this though? proportional allocation.
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Lillian Saddlewater - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:56:02 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389559
You can mathematically demonstrate fair representation. The fact is, supporters of a more "Republican" style representation system don't want fair representation through a republic. They like it specifically because it is unfair.
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Sidney Punnerkatch - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:45:05 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.389562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389559
He's a troll. He's been shitting up the environmental thread with really dumb statements.
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Samuel Sellyhood - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:23:16 EST ID:VLZSAHSu No.389570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389541
Ben Franklin urged the Founding Fathers to hurry up and write the constitution because the people of the colonies were carrying about their lives and would soon find out they didn't need them to begin with.
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Fuck Heffinglock - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:33:47 EST ID:N+M5jlMw No.389778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389471
Because democrats might learn republican old tricks. That's what I was taught. Gerrymandering is an old republican trick.


CIA & Vault 7 by Simon Gendlewill - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:03:21 EST ID:YRrchvuw No.389035 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Suprised there's no thread about this.

>http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/wikileaks-cia-vault-7-julian-assange-year-zero-documents-download-spying-secrets-a7616031.html
>https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

What has suprised me more than the shocking contents of the above are how many fellow liberals are shrugging their shoulders and/or making excuses for the CIA.

When did we start siding with the deep state? How have so many left-wingers forgotten about the last 60 years of CIA horrors?
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Martha Clundlestun - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:18:26 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389714
>>389718
I think the original U.S atom bomb had TNT clash the isotopes, causing the atomic explosion. Not bothered to goggle that shit tho
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Doris Grimwater - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:29:48 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389725
youre right forgive me
totally an effective nuclear warhead right there
maybe i should have chosen my words better
maybe you should be following the thread better

maybe both
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Archie Sockleberk - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:04:40 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389755
Maybe it got pointed out that something you said is stupid and you're desperately moving goal posts?
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Doris Grimwater - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:30:21 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389761
oh shit!
i cant believe i missed that!
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Eliza Drullyfoot - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:31:40 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.389770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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In any case, can we agree that simply holding together two pieces of fissile material isn't necessarily enough to have a nuclear explosion, we've had cores blow themselves apart and the pieces had to be picked up.

But a greater obstacle than assembling a nuclear bomb is acquiring enough fissile material.
UFx, U, and F, are some of the most toxic, oxidative, and corrosive chemicals, and none of the commercially-known enriching mechanisms are simple or forgiving.


Republicans introduce bill to allow ISPs to sell your internet browsing history without permission by Rebecca Fushshaw - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:22:52 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.389195 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Looks like going after net neutrality wasn't enough for them. Now they want ISPs to be able to sell your browsing history to corporations.

>Protection of your Internet history is up in the air thanks to new, pending legislation. A new bill coming before Senate aims to completely dismantle the FCC’s ability to enact data security or online privacy protections for consumers under the powers of the Congressional Review Act. Senate Joint Resolution (S.J.Res 34) was introduced by Arizona Senator Jeff Flake and cosponsored by 23 other Senators. Its goal is to remove all the hard-earned net neutrality regulations gained to protect your internet history from advertisers and and worse. Specifically, the FCC had been able to prevent internet service providers (ISPs) from spying on your internet history, and selling what they gathered, without express permission. This legal protection on your internet history is currently under attack thanks to these 24 Senators and lots of ISP lobbying spend. While S.J.Res 34 has support from two dozen Republican Senators, Senators willing to champion the privacy of Americans’ internet history have also come out of the woodwork.

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2017/03/24-senators-introduced-bill-let-telecoms-sell-private-internet-history/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
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Fanny Dodgedock - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:48:24 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389216
I have concluded that some people simply don't have good political sense. It may not always be their fault as it takes time to build that sense, and many don't have that time. Disenfranchise people with poor political sense long enough and they'll start to distrust MSM which takes them down the rabbit hole.

Also, people have to develop a skill to get over thinking heuristically, but inductively using inductive reasoning. It's only human to think with the gut. Repubs tend to be gut thinkers.
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Wesley Pullernidging - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:19:15 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389748
People vote against their own interests out of pride. They identify with the wealthy elite because they want to believe that they, too, are wealthy Übermensch material, despite the reality being that they are just as poverty-stricken and disenfranchised as the rest of us.

And then there are those who have a pathological perversion where submission to authority gratifies them in some way. Those are the most helpless.
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Wesley Pullernidging - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:19:15 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389748
People vote against their own interests out of pride. They identify with the wealthy elite because they want to believe that they, too, are wealthy Übermensch material, despite the reality being that they are just as poverty-stricken and disenfranchised as the rest of us.

And then there are those who have a pathological perversion where submission to authority gratifies them in some way. Those are the most helpless.
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Lillian Brommleleck - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:13:04 EST ID:Tcte88KQ No.389753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389195
Be careful, revolutions eat their young.
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Walter Chuddlesare - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:19:29 EST ID:BRv0D0mL No.389759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389199

>Like for instance split up cable providers and ISPs holding a local monopoly.
What about publicly owned WiFi in urban hubs?
What about anti-cartel laws and public utility access for building and maintaining data-centers?

Fuck that, the democrats are raking in that Comcast money!


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