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Project "Chaos" by Doctor Draker - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 15:19:13 EST ID:JbyaxTcG No.398217 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is it possible to create an uncontrolled outburst of anarchy in a certain territory? How much resources do you need to establish an eternal anarchy? There are no laws, no rules, anything! There is no money, no control, each for themselves (but they continue to behave like ordinary people in part) For example: I want to destroy religion in India and remove the entire government! Flood massively by Indian refugees - Russia, Kazakhstan, Indonesia, Turkey. How much resources, people and weapons are needed to complete the operation? I'm not going to offend anyone! I just want to fantazise up and present a few events from the deed! There is a reason and there is a consequence! I want to know about each country! Fantasize, make calculations and describe all the consequences!
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James Finnerham - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 15:56:42 EST ID:JbyaxTcG No.398221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Destroy all the leaders of Germany (lefts, rights, pro-Russian, pro-Arab. Pro-Israel, pro-Western - all in a row). You can leave nuclear weapons - let them frolic! (Just for lulz)
Wesley Drommlemutch - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 03:27:52 EST ID:FK4XCaIN No.398227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I rather prefer the idea of Temporary Autonomous Zones, and not with an insinuation of violence. By sheer force of arms the State wields overwhelming power. In history many resistance movements practicing warfare succeeded militarily because of their distant proximity to the centralized force of arms, local support, and terrain. But were then co-opted by one or many of the superpower governments (of that time) by corrupting their leadership or by economic and cultural means.

Frankly a violent uprising now in countries with a powerful military and police would likely be crushed, unless their was massive support for the revolution (or whatever it is your in-visioning...) in many sectors of the diverse populace, including the military, perhaps even the police.

In the US the National Guard would be deployed to states they aren't from. Would a soldier shoot their friends and loved ones in the streets? In accounts I've read of summit protests where the National Guard and other military were posted, they were pretty cool and amenable while the police were dicks and violent.

Temporary Autonomous Zones popup and exist without the purview of the state security apparatus. Disappearing before it can identify and intervene (or crush?).

I think the definition of anarchy as "no leaders" is better than "chaos". From the Greek roots of the word anarchy, anarchos:
  • an = without, archos = leaders
The assumption is a society without leaders would result in chaos, which has been proven to be false throughout history. Sorry to nitpick. I'll try to imagine a scenario, eventually, maybe..
Albert Pockson - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 11:22:37 EST ID:FlWC/xtC No.398232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anarchism isnt so much a vacuum of power as op describes but more a reformation of power into a horizontal network which can become strong enough to repel centralised hierarchies.
Henry Dobberbig - Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:27:09 EST ID:JbyaxTcG No.398235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398221 Project "Hell" The riot in the nuclear state is unpredictable! And the inhabitants there are dangerous in Russia! Who will get nuclear weapons? China is already populating Siberia and the Far East of Russia near the Urals! Caucasians celebrate "Kuyram Bayram" in Moscow and St. Petersburg!
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:12:50 EST ID:QiGBcKwL No.398240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Richard Spencer event empty. Large counter protest outside. Gainesville by Albert Ficklehood - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 22:26:14 EST ID:VXipp9JK No.398037 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Some say he's a fed,which if true, makes it even more laughable that he got clocked in DC.
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James Pickman - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:28:12 EST ID:uW9KWJtY No.398163 Ignore Report Quick Reply

More alt-right white supremacists shooting into crowds of protesters.
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:58:47 EST ID:iFsdrSSG No.398166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
None of these fash or fash-adjacents care about "freedom of speech" in any sense beyond willful chicanery. Fascists weaponize bourgeois institutions to their benefit — some they plan to keep, but remake in their image (the police), some they plan to discard as soon as it's expedient ("freedom" of speech).
Phineas Hupperbury - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:16:36 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.398173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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*only if you agree with their politics
Remember them cheering on Trump's support of protesters at Trump rallies getting "roughed up", pic related, Occupy protesters getting attacked by police?

Tolerance of opposing ideas does not exist within the right.
Thomas Crannerchodge - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:58:22 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yup. like this one too.

i'm sure we'll see the freeze peach brigade show up to defend this intrepid young man. aaaaany minute now...
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 05:22:47 EST ID:QiGBcKwL No.398211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This is really almost correct, just not in the way you think it is. Didn't you mean to post in the Breitbart comment section instead?

Libertarian history thread - to start, the Bonnot Gang by John Brellerbury - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 22:00:30 EST ID:s+0hZQsk No.397942 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>>The Bonnot Gang was a French criminal anarchist group that operated in France and Belgium during the Belle Époque, from 1911 to 1912. Composed of individuals who identified with the emerging illegalist milieu, the gang utilized cutting-edge technology including automobiles and repeating rifles not yet available to the French police.

>>Jules Bonnot's perceived prominence within the group was later reinforced by his high-profile death during a shootout with French police in Choisy-le-Roi.

>>The Bonnot Gang originally consisted of a group of French anarchists centered around the individualist anarchist magazine l'Anarchie. The group was founded by Octave Garnier, Raymond Callemin, and René Valet. It was Garnier's idea to use automobiles in the service of a daring criminal act.

>>The first robbery by Bonnot's Gang was at the money transfer of Société Générale Bank in Chantilly on December 21, 1911. They escaped in an automobile (a Delaunay-Belleville) they had stolen a week before.

>>The gang continued their automobile thefts and robberies, shooting two more policemen in the process. Automobiles were not yet common so the gang usually stole still expensive cars from garages, not from the street.

>>By March 1912, police had arrested many of the gang’s supporters

>>Sûreté Chief Xavier Guichard took the matter personally. Even politicians became concerned, increasing police funding by 800,000 francs. Banks began to prepare for forthcoming robberies and many cashiers armed themselves

>>Nevertheless, the Bonnot Gang found some sympathy from the French working-class. As many as one hundred thousand people visited Nogent-sur-Marne (the site of the shoot-out that ended the lives of Garnier and Valet) and merchants in Paris sold souvenirs depicting the bandits.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 08:27:21 EST ID:QiGBcKwL No.398146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mate listen, I love you, but there's no way I'm reading that post.
Edward Nishshit - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:10:32 EST ID:zv5+jfMA No.398150 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>I love you

Flicker and anarchists sitting in a tree, R-E-V-O-L-T. First comes riots, then comes repression,then comes the sherrif and a prison to teach them a lesson.
Emma Sippercocke - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 20:21:07 EST ID:rpHZ1Djo No.398153 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lol id be pissed if i was part of a raid with shields and shit and i gotta stand in front and all i get is a fuckin pistol
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 02:35:34 EST ID:QiGBcKwL No.398154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'll give you an 8.5, I docked one-and-a-half points because "révolte" would have fit your meter and rhymed. Tu dois penser comme un Robespierre... oui oui
Frederick Snoddock - Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:31:13 EST ID:mv5oRpxE No.398198 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wave of attacks in Belgium against military industrial complex of the united States. Let's hope someone stops these criminals golly gosh!

Source: insurrection news

/pol/ and /r/the_Donald user kills father for being a "Leftist Pedophile" by Rebecca Dimmleridge - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:49:17 EST ID:DXkyy4gw No.397854 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>MOUNT VERNON — The Bow-area man accused of stabbing his father to death was charged Thursday in Skagit County Superior Court. Lane Maurice Davis, 33, pleaded not guilty to one count of first-degree murder. He is being held on $1 million bail. Court documents state Lane Davis started a fight with his parents July 14 at their home in the 4000 block of Wharf Street, accusing them of being “leftists” and “pedophiles.” An audio recording of the fight, found on his father Charles Davis’ cellphone, indicated that Lane Davis threatened to kill his father several times. Lane Davis told police he was angered after reading something on the internet about “leftist pedophiles,” which sparked an argument between the two men.

^ is a right wing website the murderer wrote articles for, they confirm his circlejerk username, and they are now disavowing him. They say they're going to pull down all his articles. They say he basically called anyone who disagreed with him a leftist pedophile.

So I'm having difficulty sourcing this guy's comments, because /r/the_donald has scrubbed most his comments and basically covered the entire thing up (no hypocrisy there of course), but according to people on circlejerk and the above website, his username was /u/Seattle4truth. He had previously stated he got started down the path of the right first by getting involved in GamerGate and /pol/, then moving into circlejerk for /r/the_donald and /r/KotakuInAction. It's said he 364 posts on /r/the_Donald.

I don't know about any of you, but it always spokes me the fuck out when it's literally the case that someone from (4ch's) /pol/ killed someone, in this case his own father. Like Jesus Christ. I know this /pol/ and 4ch's /pol/ are different but it's still too close to home for comfort.
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Cyril Gimmermune - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 10:02:29 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Do you think America tries to influence other countries elections?
abso-fucking-lutely. you'd have to be trumpette level delusional/stupid and think that america can do no wrong to think the US doesn't.
Betsy Mennertad - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:11:51 EST ID:qH56ZoeU No.398151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Notice how he doesn't deny it.

Slavophobia is back on the menu, boys!
Martha Hubberwotch - Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:34:54 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.398152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That definitely must mean that I'm a squat-a-phobe. I love squatting. Good for the posture.
Emma Sippercocke - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:25:46 EST ID:rpHZ1Djo No.398168 Ignore Report Quick Reply

i think that would make you a squatophile
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:56:34 EST ID:iFsdrSSG No.398174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What will these scheming and perfidious Orientals try next?

U.S. - Failed State by Messenger - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:09:12 EST ID:2c8nuUUH No.397969 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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"The United States has entered the ranks of the failed states. One of the most remarkable manifestations of a failed state is that the criminals are all inside the government operating against the people, whereas in a normal state, the criminals are on the outside of the government, operating against it. So, we now have every manifestation of being a failed state, with the government in the hands of a few Wall Street gangsters." - Paul Craig Roberts
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Esther Binnerway - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:29:15 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.397984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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A state is an entity with a regional monopoly on violence.
A failed state no longer has a monopoly on violence.

There's plenty of states that basically just loot the people, it doesn't mean they're not states.
Index of states likely to lose control related.
George Clarringlun - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:37:06 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.398010 Report Quick Reply

That pic offers so context or relevant data on what the colors mean, numbers, statistics, nothing. That was a shitty post. Do better.
Esther Sunderham - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:18:43 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.398066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A state is an entity with a regional monopoly on violence.
>A failed state no longer has a monopoly on violence.
Yet on the map Best Korea is still marked red?
Cedric Chubblegold - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:58:05 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.398068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398010 >>398066
That's not a map of failing states, but a map of states ranked by various factors that tend to lead to failure of a state.

A government that enriches itself at the expense of its people increases the likelihood of a state failing, but does not indicate a state has failed.
Many states including the US have left their people with less than the USA is doing now, yet remained stable for a very long time.
Nell Pegglewill - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 07:26:19 EST ID:RFgJHpzp No.398079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This definition is far more accurate. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to think of a state that wasn't run by law breakers in some form or another. Heck, the entire feudal system that dominated much of our history was simply a form of coercive gang violence and enslavement of population groups that gained political legitimacy over time.

Trudeau will whip your skinny ass by Nathaniel Nicklestock - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:57:26 EST ID:x4cWFuS2 No.397925 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is YOUR national leader man enough to cry in public? Mine is. Bow down to what a real man looks like.
Phyllis Billingstone - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 14:55:00 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.397927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Trudeau probably could whip your ass, he's beaten the shit out of conservatives before.
Cedric Tillinglock - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:58:41 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.397930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Liberal PMs have always been tough motherfuckers. Here we see Chretien breaking necks, and cashing checks.
Hamilton Smallgold - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:06:08 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.397932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wow, I just watched this and he really did a lot better than I thought he would have. I mean he's still an awful boxer, but he ate some shots early and toughed it out and came back swanging and got the win. That took some balls.
Cedric Smallson - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:52:50 EST ID:mml9hPZI No.397992 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>implying that beating down a politician's son would get you anywhere in life

panama-leaks exposer killed in malta by Edward Hangerson - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:08:42 EST ID:0LnNC5UM No.397837 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Todays news: major source of leaked material concerning the insanely wealthy and insanely powerful has been killed in malta by a car explosion.
So far the panama papers are the largest leaks about the secret frauds going on in the world of espionage, politics and economy. The leaks are compromised of terabytes of documents and data about many of the worlds former and present leaders, including reagan, the prime minister of iceland, assad, the turkish governoment, the CIA and many others.
Martha Bardman - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:38:57 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.397838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Only thing shocking is how unsubtle it was honestly.
Shitting Ceckleforth - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 06:46:47 EST ID:xQbV1JEs No.397843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This bombing is more harmful to the world than whatever shit IS or Al Quada has ever pulled.
Archie Claylock - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:30:35 EST ID:VqGtqGtM No.397844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
counterpoint: no, it isn't
Cedric Tillinglock - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:01:03 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.397931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not really. She got the info out. Killing her doesn't put the genie back in the bottle. Not to down play her murder at all, but the ball she got rolling is long past her.

Alt right try to shut down anarchist book fair, turn around by Jarvis Drezzleshaw - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:38:26 EST ID:diXkwoEr No.397332 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Doris Crupperbudge - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:58:48 EST ID:RlaBFRBN No.397851 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That's because Republicans are now ultra nationalists who yearn for an older, more fierce and brutal industrial capitalism. Democrats aren't stuck in 1920, so they realize giving their slaves bread is the best way to maintain obedience. It's really two of the same with different approaches to authortarianism. The new deal was practically enacted to thwart a mass labor movement and get euro immigrants behind white supremacy. The best way to control people is to strengthen the illusion of you are for them. Republicans would rather beat their slaves with a stick. Democrats give them hopes of the carrot on the end of it. In the end you'll still be getting beat by the stick though so have fun voting.
Archie Claylock - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:34:09 EST ID:VqGtqGtM No.397853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the country is still prospering thanks to Obama's policies (as Trump hasn't really enacted related policies yet). We actually had a surplus under Clinton. Both presidents saw unemployment decrease as well. Under Clinton tons of people left food stamp assistance, as did people during the end of Obama's 2nd term (which is harder to attain now that food stamps are used for disaster relief since Katrina). You can't say any of this about either Bush...

If you want to say Democrat policies don't go far enough, OK, but to equate them with Republican policies is disingenuous.
Sidney Giffinggold - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:05:54 EST ID:WQQ+NOb5 No.397860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are you older than 13 years old? Serious question.
Martin Doblingville - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:43:10 EST ID:JS2STE3y No.397875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's easier to call you immature than to actually come up with a rebuttal to your point.
Nathaniel Fabberstock - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:50:27 EST ID:2ngWIGJe No.397876 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Makes sense because I'm mocking the opinions I speak on behalf of in those posts.

How the cookie crumbles by Emma Shakeshaw - Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:32:39 EST ID:kZUMXybj No.397389 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Now that free speech has become a left-wing concern again with all the NFL stuff going on, has everyone just forgotten about James Damore?

Dude went from being the darling of right-wing libertarians and their far right types in particular, to no one giving a single fuck about him. Now that the mainstream conservatives have totally jettisoned free speech concerns (because the university culture wars can only stay so hot for so long in the internet era and the big new thing is black people silently kneeling during the national anthem), James Damore has practically dropped off the planet, except to say stupid shit on twitter like "we shouldn't abandon wizards to the KKK" as if that's something that makes any kind of fucking sense (did this dude just forget about every other reference to wizards in our culture?) Since right-wing libertarians can't use his story to ride the coattails of mainstream conservatism, now that mainstream conservatives no longer care about free speech, he's just become useless in their propaganda crusades.

Seems like the dude just made a big mistake at work, got taken for a ride by right-wing types with agendas to push, and didn't realize he was just an input into the right-wing grift machine that would extract him of what's useful and just spit the rest out.

My point in bringing him up is that he was fired because of, you know, an employer disagreeing with him, but now a lot of conservatives are calling for athletes to get fired over their political speech, or cheering when bosses in other leagues threaten their workers' rights to free expression (i.e., some NASCAR team owners' threats). I always thought the James Damore hubbub was dumb because neither side wanted to put their principles before their inherited conflicts, the proprietarian libertarians spoke in favor of his "first amendment rights" rather than Google's - the property owners' - right to do with their property what they damn well please. Socialists took the entirely wrong stance as well: they should have defended a workers' right to free expression, rather than taking the side of Google because what the worker in question wrote didn't jive with us. O…
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Ebenezer Crimmerdale - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:26:38 EST ID:sD0DmHMV No.397835 Ignore Report Quick Reply

another fantasy faggot claiming property is a fallacy. still waiting for this delusion to be coherently explained
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 04:37:30 EST ID:QiGBcKwL No.397836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This was a necessary concession to the slave-industrialist faction of planters in the nascent American settler state.
The "anti-slavery" contingent understood that slavery was absolutely vital to the function of the American economy. Jefferson etc. deserve little credit for their handwringing.
Property is not a "fallacy" (what would that even mean?), but a historically contingent social relationship of goods to people.
Nicholas Fobberhood - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:37:05 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.397840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Uh... what. He didn't say anything about indigenous populations (unless you're saying none of them had the concept of property which is a noble savage stereotype.) or what the fuck that last bit means.
Fuck Grimfield - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:45:25 EST ID:g35WxAx5 No.397841 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lmao what the fuck? are you implying """""western civilization""""" invented property?
Jack Depperchick - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 00:16:52 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.397842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Property extending to the land/home/labor of others is not an exclusively western thing.

China imploded under the Han because a few families acquired ownership of most of the land (via exploiting the markets and predatory financial practices), and got laws passed to shift the tax burden from themselves to the farmers.
Then despite being the most prosperous country in the world, the farmers couldn't afford the very food they were growing and the land owners could afford larger armies than the emperor.

>none of them had the concept of property which is a noble savage stereotype.
Smaller-scale/isolated communities ran on (or still do) run on gift-based economic systems where non-personal property of members is fluid or ill-defined.
When every member of a community knows everyone and depends on everyone, it's more important that the field is sown and harvested than worrying about whose field it is.

If we're in an isolated village and I'm a lumberjack and you're a rancher and your fence breaks, I can't barter for your cows or fuck around with markets and currency, but if your cows get away, no one gets any meat/milk, so I give you the wood for credit, knowing that it'll come back to be in the long-run.

Fish hook theory by Samuel Claybanks - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:12:57 EST ID:Ln/AmOJE No.396913 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What are your thoughts on the fish hook theory?
It states that people who label themselves 'centrist' or 'classical liberals' almost always end up apologizing for, sympathizing with, and supporting the far right.

I think there's a lot of truth to that, just look at any 'objective'/rational/skeptic youtubefag. Their mortal enemy is always "THE LEFTISTS", not 'all authoritarianism' that they claim to oppose.

Libertarians are a perfect example of this too. They used to hate the left and right equally but have now entirely sided with the far right (just look at ex-libertarians like Stefan Molyneux).
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Jarvis Wommleville - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 04:57:20 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.397293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ian Lightway - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 06:03:59 EST ID:E0iKQ/s8 No.397294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Christ, I'm almost embarrassed for you.

Although tbh, the idiotic ramblings of morons who think they're smart as fuck are more entertaining to read when they're also high off their ass on his knows what.
Lillian Gongerson - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 13:02:12 EST ID:wAoeiJmX No.397296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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first of all, wow, sorry. seems i really offended you.

second, odd. you're assuming that i'm assuming that you're a trump supporter (point out where i said so?). seems you just can't escape the narrative you've constructed in your head, that the nutty leftists are out TA GET YA. that paranoia i mentioned early really seems to be getting to you.

as nicholas pointed out, societal pressure =/= just antifa and protests. continued historical education on the matter, think tanks, even stuff like humor directed at mocking the far right, in addition to the others mentioned, these are all part of that pressure.

the far-right isn't completely back (you do have you admit they've made headway in recent years though) because the larger part of society continuously pushes back against the elements that try to advance it, via all these things. The biggest reason the ADL attributes to continuous decline in KKK numbers is increased societal rejection of what they stand for, for instance. You don't think that increase in societal rejection just came out of nowhere do you? No, it was actively pushed by those who oppose that kinds of far-right thinking. The KKK is in decline specifically because of that kind of societal pressure, though then you'd have to give the left credit for that, which maybe you don't want to.

ideologies don't just die and disappear without intervention, not when that ideology's followers still exist and try to promulgate it. it's achieved through societal consciousness on the matter, and active countermeasures on their part.

it's like you believe society runs all by itself, without input. you forget that society is itself made up entirely of people. the right wing hasn't made a full resurgence "just because," it's because we as a society have continuously railed against it ever since the end of WW2. and no, that's not just antifa or street protesters. not by a long shot.

also not sure what you mean by "cannot tolerate words and wrong-think." i don't think i've expressed support for censorship in any of my previous posts. here again I'm thinking this is just your entrenchment in you narrative about liberals and SJWs and such.
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Isabella Bebberfit - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:12:01 EST ID:Kn19Eg9q No.397309 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I dont understand you. Your last sentence in your response to me you call me a dotard and then in this post you refute calling me a trump supporter? Cant have it both ways bro.

Second I'd like you to point out the ad hom I sent to nicholas, I dont see it. Pretty mild response from me I think.

Again you make the same tired argument over the definition of ''societal pressure'' good lord man give it a rest. We get it. I get it. Theres more to it than antifa and protest. yes. move on from it. You endlessly fall all over yourselves to point it out when it was a vague term to begin with.

My OP in this thread was a response to someone calling centrists enablers and thats the crux of this.

Societal pressures against racist or bad ideologies is no doubt a good thing but theres also such a thing as over reach. Letting these people have a platform is a testament to our first amendment right and our maturity as a society. I think it would be a detriment to our society and our future to forget that.
Graham Hickleware - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 04:14:04 EST ID:SaF9EMgG No.397830 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Is that fucking loss?

Catalonia Independence by Esther Wevingham - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:27:50 EST ID:SomHHRb1 No.397492 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Catalonia in Spain voted on whether to declare independence from Spain or not. A bit ago officials announced a 90% vote in favor of independence, with some counting to still be done. Before the vote the Spanish government declared it unlawful and sent riot police to attack voters and raid the polling places. While Catalonia police and firefighters helped protect the voters.
https://youtu.be/APsHNIrS7-s https://youtu.be/ZR3MkpdxlCQ

The Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy, praised the federal police for acting with “firmness and serenity”.

>“Today there has not been a self-determination referendum in Catalonia. The rule of law remains in force with all its strength.”
Going on to say that the police attacks on voters was to defend the democratic state from the illegal referendum: "Today, democracy has prevailed because we have obeyed the constitution.”

On the other hand, Catalan''s "leader" Carles Puigdemont said the Spanish government's response was shameful and that
>With this day of hope and suffering, the citizens of Catalonia have won the right to an independent state in the form of a republic.

Thoughts? Will it work? What implications may this have on other separatist movements in the EU and elsewhere?
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Eugene Commerbark - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:11:58 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.397781 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Backing out of the independence declaration [...] ?

Yeah, I think he said something along the lines of reserving the right for unilateral declaration of independence, then suspending the declaration for the time being. By the second image it has dawned upon the masses that Puigdemont is just trying to save his own skin by being as vague on the matter as possible.

Thing is Catalan independence is impossible at this stage. Spain won't let them leave, they have no great power support and no forces to speak of beyond local police. If they'd actually gotten a true majority in the ref, things would probably be different, but as it is now the ref got below 50% turnout even with the ballots seized by Spanish police. Meaning they have no actual majority mandate despite the 90% yes vote.

Methinks Puigdemont played the ball a bit to far here, and had to keep going in order to save face.
Eugene Blemmergold - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 22:32:55 EST ID:Ip1n1EBv No.397818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Makes sense. In response to:
>If they'd actually gotten a true majority in the ref, things would probably be different
That's exactly why the national police violently intervened, to prevent a clear majority.

What if Catalan holds another referendum?
Eliza Cridgewat - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 23:54:17 EST ID:M7r8aOtx No.397828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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On the topic of other separatist movements, many are closely watching the Catalan referendum.

  • According to this news article interest in Scotland has waned since the 2014 vote. The Scottish National Party say they are committed to independence, but they lost a bunch of seats in the national election recently, so their plan to have a vote in 2019 was cancelled.

  • The Corsican separatist movement in France is at least a decade away from an independence vote, they're an island in the Mediterranean. There's also:
>the Pacific island of New Caledonia, a French territory set to take part in an independence referendum by the end of 2018.

  • The Kurd's of Iraq voted for independence a week before Catalan, they're getting alot of threats from Baghdad, Iran, and Turkey, and the Kurdish President has yet to declare independence.

  • "The Acehnese in Indonesia battled state security forces for decades" and are now in positions in the regional government.

  • In the southern Philippines after protracted fighting the rebels there have gained greater autonomy.

  • Also watching from afar are "the ethnic Muslim Malays in southern Thailand, and indigenous Melanesians in Indonesia’s easternmost provinces of West Papua and Papua."

Isabella Bobbleshit - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 00:09:04 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.397829 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>That's exactly why the national police violently intervened, to prevent a clear majority.

The interesting thing about this is that the 'unionists' are encouraged by Spain to boycott the referendums, which is the reason for the low turnout in the last ref. Analyzing the statistics it seems the majority is infact against Catalan independence.

Not really sure why because the numbers we have from the last ref still show a silent remainder majority, which should bring some peace to the Spanish authorities, but that's how things are.
Eliza Cridgewat - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:43:40 EST ID:M7r8aOtx No.397834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So you're saying if another vote were held and everyone voted there'd be a majority against independence. Could you link the statistics here?

Anyone seen this film? by Beatrice Hizzlestere - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 12:02:45 EST ID:4K7Mao8x No.397778 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What did you think of it?

It's way off base, right?

Complete propaganda, isn't it?




Would post on /mtv/ but they'd just say it's more of a /pol/ thread
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Oliver Clorrywater - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:41:52 EST ID:k1T4yVqN No.397785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>We could talk about how Trump fucks up the long term plans of US hegemony, how Putin plays the domestic game well by appealing to Russian political apathy, how China shut's the fuck up and buy shit up from under our noses.
Nothing is stopping you from making those threads yourself.
Augustus Sittingforth - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:52:11 EST ID:kZUMXybj No.397786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Culture war is where the ad revenue is at.
Eugene Commerbark - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:56:55 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.397788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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They get made, where are you from like Zambia?

Not my fault shit like "POTUS ZUCC 2020" and "Alt right try to shut down anarchist book fair" push real talk off the front page.
Thomas Crackledudging - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:07:13 EST ID:EFimfXcE No.397789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"why are people talking about issues that don't affect me personally???"
Jarvis Clickleway - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:43:51 EST ID:Ip1n1EBv No.397802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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(Haven't seen the movie though. I wish it were called something else.)

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