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Jury Trials by Basil Chuzzlelot - Wed, 31 May 2017 14:39:02 EST ID:l4rkxwo6 No.392977 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I've long wondered about this, and the question rose up again after reading this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/us/police-shootings-trial-jury.html
What is the point of jury trials? How can you possibly hope to have a fair and consistent judicial system when you're relying on the decisions of random impressionable people, most of whom have their own agenda, to decide on whether to move forward with a trial or acquit? And with finding the 'right' jurors being another huge part of the trial that doesn't have anything to do with the accusation, don't jury trials open the door for an even bigger influence of money on who is convicted and who isn't?
If anyone could explain the advantages of this system to be, I'd be very grateful. As it is, I'm very, very glad we don't have anything like it in Germany.
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Esther Trotwell - Wed, 31 May 2017 22:55:01 EST ID:TdUXjOCH No.393004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it helps the powers that be to maintain a grip of control on the people, if they can parade out a group of monkeys to chant the right things, they can tell the whole monkey congregation "see, everything is fair for you! this wasnt the government, it was fellow monkeys, so it is good!"
Charles Fipperlet - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:55:56 EST ID:8QOUkf7T No.393076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Supposed to balance the power of government with the power of the people.

Doesn't really work. Neither do trials without a jury. Law itself is essentially a broken system. Humans are constantly changing how it works and are never satisfied with the results because morality has yet to be properly quantified and codified.
Walter Fubberwot - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 03:10:50 EST ID:T+nMx2l2 No.393101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They attempt to choose an 'acceptable pool of 'unbiased' people. Disregard those that are not deemed fit for jury duty in 'certain cases' with pretty basic questions. Both the district attorney (<prosecuting attorney, and defense attorney need to agree on the pool of potential jurors.
And go from there. The questions are relevant, the potential to find somebody who is not biased should be the main objective
beyond all.

Many variables in procedure, jury selection. Police as defendants have a built in defense mechanisms simply by default.
People think they would be doing something unlawful, wrong, unpatriotic, becoming fearful, by simply voting a guilty verdict
against a defendant police officer disregarding the DAs drama sessions when they know what wrong and right should be by
almost any profession. Reality is many/most jury trials are nothing more than a drawn out drama.
Walter Fubberwot - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 03:27:27 EST ID:T+nMx2l2 No.393102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>lawyers from both sides have to agree on all 12, though, right?

The 12 jurors should be acceptable to both sides. Say a criminal trial against an armed robbery defendant, had some guy as a potential juror somewhat disregarding a direct question saying, I have the utmost respect for the police,
what they go through on a day to day basis and the justice system
and will do my duty if selected.

Instantly not suited for jury selection right off the bat. It is somewhat hilarious.
But also sad because no matter what, these like minded people 'will' side with the police no matter what, even it the defendant is obviously innocent without any doubt.

The DA if responsible, not reckless will drop this person without any hesitation.
The judge 'generally' has to agree to drop people from the pool or agree to have them for consideration beyond this. But bot the prosecution and defense have to agree for a potential juror to be considered. It's not a one part process either in
choosing from a jury pool to the final selection. Things can change in an instant
where what was an acceptable juror may have some conflicts of interests, lied.
Virtually anything.
Clara Billychere - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 05:35:20 EST ID:glUT7SYB No.393105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As a Dutch guy I've been wondering that shit ever since I found out Americans let fucking random retards from the streets decide things in court.

It might have been a cool idea in the fucking early modern period when people still ran around with fucking rapiers and smallswords but fuck off with that mongoloid caveman shit today.

A full English Brexit by Shitting Cladgecocke - Tue, 30 May 2017 12:38:49 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.392901 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The Financial Times decided to look into the nitty and gritty:
>After Brexit: Let the haggling over treaties begin
FT research reveals that at least 759 agreements with 168 countries must be renegotiated just for the UK to stand still
>In the early 1970s the Queen’s Messengers delivered a historic parcel from London to Brussels, stuffed with enough documents to fill a tea-chest.

Since the 15th century these diplomatic couriers have carried the affairs of state. This time the delivery included scores of treaties, all bearing Royal Arms, which stretched back decades and traced the UK’s commercial arteries around the world. The arrangements were largely to be subsumed by the European Community when Britain joined its trade bloc; this was, in paper form, part of a handover of power.

Forty-six years on, when Britain leaves the EU in 2019, the UK stands to lose far more than it brought over to Brussels that day. The treaty chest has swollen into a small archive of EU agreements, running to hundreds of thousands of pages and spanning 168 non-EU countries. Within them are covered almost every external function of a modern economy, from flying planes to America and trading sows with Iceland to fishing in far-flung seas.

On Brexit day, that will all fall away. By law Britain will overnight be excluded from those EU arrangements with “third countries”, entering the equivalent of a legal void in key parts of its external commercial relations. Some British officials are even peering into the pre-1973 chest again to see whether some seemingly obsolete treaties might gain a new lease of life from a disorderly Brexit. “It is dusty in there,” jokes one Whitehall official.
>It poses a formidable and little-understood challenge for Britain’s prime minister after the June 8 election. While Brexit is often cast as an affair between Brussels and London, in practice Britain’s exit will open more than 750 separate time-pressured mini-negotiations worldwide, according to Financial Times research. And there are no obvious shortcuts: even a basic transition after 2019 requires not just EU-UK approval, but the deal-by-deal authorisation of every third country involved.

“The nearest precedent you can think of is a cessation of a country — you are almost starting from scratch,” says Andrew Hood, a former UK government lawyer now at Dechert. “It will be a very difficult, iterative process.”
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Shitting Cladgecocke - Tue, 30 May 2017 12:39:45 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.392902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All the agreements must be sifted, creating a huge legal tangle. With Switzerland alone there are 49 accords, while there are 44 with the US and 38 with Norway. Even in potentially consequential areas, some countries are barely aware of Brexit implications. When asked by the FT about a specific customs agreement, one sanguine Indian diplomat first denied it existed, then said it would not matter anyway: “I’m sure people have forgotten it.”

“The logistics are terrifying, even just to go through these commitments and treaties and scope them out,” says Hosuk Lee-Makiyama, a former trade official for Sweden and the EU now at the European Centre for International Political Economy. “Do you want revisions? Do they? Do you go there? How many visits to Chile will this take? That’s a massive logistical operation in itself.
>“There will be a lot of countries with a beef with the EU or the UK and will see this as a golden opportunity to bring up a nuisance issue. They might not get anything, but they have to try,” he adds. “There will probably be an accident in areas you cannot predict.”


Most prominent — and economically significant — are the trade deals. Liam Fox, the UK trade secretary, has promised “zero disruption” by securing transition agreements to continue old trading terms post-Brexit. Britain will in effect repurpose its EU inheritance, re-activating the existing free-trade deals, Mr Fox says. “It is hardly a picture of splendid isolation,” he told parliament this year.

For the most part there is a shared interest in continuing arrangements, since many nations will not want to lose preferential access terms to the UK. Some bigger economies see Brexit as “a window of opportunity”, in the words of one ambassador to the EU. Mr Fox has started preliminary discussions with a dozen-plus countries that want to further liberalise their existing arrangements; South Korea, Switzerland and Norway fall into this category.

“We’d like the best possible terms for our fish. There is a complex web of tariff quotas and red tape, and we’d like to reduce that,” says Oda Helen Sletnes, Norway’s ambassador to the EU. But in a nod to the difficulty of negotiating this while Brexit terms are still uncertain, she added that fisheries discussions would “be complicated by three-way discussions between EU-Norway-UK”. In other words, this is not a straightforward trade-off but a three-dimensional game.

Other countries may be less impressed by the disruption caused, especially on WTO terms. There will need to be give and take. New Zealand, for instance, wants its current quota of lamb sales to the EU to be preserved after Brexit, even though the size of the market will shrink. On top of that, it wants an additional quota for the UK so it can make up for the impact Brexit will have on its flexibility in making sales.
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Shitting Cladgecocke - Tue, 30 May 2017 12:40:16 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.392903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The timing is tight. The US needs to know the UK’s arrangements with the EU before it can commit, and that may not be clear until late 2018.

“I don’t think there are many precedents for doing so many agreements so quickly. Airlines load schedules months in advance,” says Mr Byerly. “It is not as if you can wait until March 2019 to see what the regime will be. You probably need clarity by the early summer or spring of 2018.”

It puts tremendous strain on Whitehall. In the months after the Brexit vote, Britain had just three people dedicated to negotiating aviation agreements. The FT estimates they will need to renegotiate 17 existing EU agreements with third countries, as well as around 40 UK bilateral deals that include EU clauses. This may need to be done in the space of a few months, once the EU-UK terms are clear and Britain decides how much of its aviation regulation will be repatriated.

For Mr Chizhov, the potential for bureaucratic overload has echoes of another time and place — Soviet Russia. “Brexit means Brexit is a very interesting expression,” says the Russian ambassador, referring to Prime Minister Theresa May’s mantra on exit. “It reminds me of Leonid Brezhnev saying, ‘the economy should be economical’.”

>Trading places: Too many deals, too few negotiators

The task of negotiating new free-trade deals and maintaining existing ones will require a huge amount of money and manpower from Whitehall.

The UK Trade Policy Observatory, an independent think-tank, says Britain will “in essence be taking on the same trade policy task as [the EU’s department for] trade”. Given the nature of Brexit negotiations — high stakes, short timeframes — UKTPO says the UK “could need twice as many [negotiators] on its side”. This would mean 700 front-line negotiators.

Whitehall’s Trade Policy Group, which will lead the negotiations, employs 300 people but very few have experience of hammering out trade deals.

WTF is wrong with Trumpkins? by George Woddlehudge - Wed, 24 May 2017 16:03:36 EST ID:Yh0dEBHV No.392552 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, I like to drink regularly at this local bar. Cool bar. Friends with the staff and other regulars. I really like it.

One rule though...NO POLITICS AT THE BAR. That is the rule.

Anywho, this Trumpkin comes in the other night, and immediately singles out this guy sitting at the end of the bar. Now, I know this guy a bit and he is an out gay man. And it is pretty obvious unless your gaydar has utterly failed.

Trumpkin gets this guy in his sights, and out of the blue starts picking a fight with the guy about if he likes Trump or not. Amazingly, a gay man living in New England DIDN'T LIKE TRUMP! Shocking...I know....

Anyways, Trumpkin is trying to obviously start shit, and the bartender tries to defuse things. She is all, "no politics at the bar please..." Trumpkin mumbles something and goes out for a smoke.

10 minutes later he rages back in just peppering Gay Guy At End Of Bar (Let's call him...Gaybe for short,) with questions. Top among them was, "How can you judge him by what he said once?" and "That is just liberal media lies."

Gaybe is like, "Ummm...didn't this end?" Trumpkin just starts ramping up faster and faster and getting all agitated. At this point most of the bar was interested to see how this would end. Anyways, the Trumpkin was politely ejected in the end, but not before he ended up screaming at everyone.

A couple of observations that fucking baffle me...
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James Greenwell - Mon, 29 May 2017 03:40:20 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.392822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's just a defense mechanism.
Jarvis Fogglegold - Mon, 29 May 2017 03:54:18 EST ID:LdbqqAMo No.392823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Now I know why this board is under academia
Sophie Sibbertedge - Mon, 29 May 2017 06:30:41 EST ID:EkRX+tDd No.392829 Ignore Report Quick Reply

stupid is as stupid does. life is like a box of multiculturalism, you know exactly what youre gonna get.
Jarvis Fogglegold - Mon, 29 May 2017 14:53:13 EST ID:LdbqqAMo No.392840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please please stop using Forest Gump quotes. It isn't at all witty or clever, it just makes you seem as dumb as Forest Gump.
Isabella Pushham - Mon, 29 May 2017 20:28:43 EST ID:EkRX+tDd No.392867 Ignore Report Quick Reply

i am not a smart man. but i know what love is.

Hello by Martin Grandhall - Sun, 28 May 2017 11:58:17 EST ID:4wqY3NRq No.392785 Locked Banned Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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hi pol

Looking for people interested in practical applications of the law, i.e.; how to not break it. Legal loopholes and criminal activity, anything of the like. What to do about the government, conspiracy (truth) theories, and good old fashioned political shitflinging. I figured you persons would be interested in topics of this kind.

If this sounds intriguing please, check this out. Thanks!

htt ps discord gg/ u3fGkK3
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Isabella Drullerbury - Sun, 28 May 2017 15:02:05 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.392794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this place ism mostly just a continuous argument. In other words; politics!
Sophie Sibbertedge - Sun, 28 May 2017 20:00:01 EST ID:EkRX+tDd No.392805 Ignore Report Quick Reply


also no contact infos. fuck off with your discords.

Mao Zedong on education by Isabella Wenningshit - Tue, 09 May 2017 16:54:10 EST ID:FvS7gpUy No.391833 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Proof Mao was /ourguy/ and not the "ebil dictator" the Amerifat education system paints him as.

>Our present method of conducting examinations is a method for dealing with the enemy, not a method for dealing with the people. It is a method of surprise attack, asking oblique or strange questions. This is still the same method as the old eight-legged essay. I do not approve of this. It should be changed completely. I am in favour of publishing the questions in advance and letting the students study them and answer them with the aid of books.

>For instance, if one sets twenty questions on the Dream of the Red Chamber, and some students answer half of them and answer them well, and some of the answers are very good and contain creative ideas, then one can give them 100 per cent. If some other students answer all twenty questions and answer them correctly, but answer them simply by reciting from their textbooks and lectures, without any creative ideas, they should be given 50 or 60 per cent. At examinations whispering into each other’s ears and taking other people’s places ought to be allowed. If your answer is good and I copy it, then mine should be counted as good. Whispering in other people’s ears and taking examinations in other people’s names used to be done secretly. Let it now be done openly. If I can’t do something and you write down the answer, which I then copy, this is all right. Let’s give it a try.

>We must do things in a lively fashion, not in a lifeless fashion. There are teachers who ramble on and on when they lecture; they should let their students doze off. If your lecture is no good, why insist on others listening to you? Rather than keeping your eyes open and listening to boring lectures, it is better to get some refreshing sleep. You don’t have to listen to nonsense, you can rest your brain instead.
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Martin Deblingcocke - Tue, 23 May 2017 18:51:00 EST ID:wHwlCrNC No.392528 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You can't write a story about how to do calculus. You can't recite poetry to complete a physics problem.
You absolutely can do those things.
Doris Warringworth - Wed, 24 May 2017 00:36:56 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.392533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
While someone can demonstrate their understanding of and ability to practice calculus and physics in a poem or story, I feel like that's one of the harder ways to do so.
Like if they're able to do so, they'd have no problem at all demonstrating it in more conventional ways.

Also, for most teachers, the grades given to poems and stories reflect how the teacher feels about the particular student more than it does the quality of the paper.
John Pammerspear - Fri, 26 May 2017 06:12:38 EST ID:HN3b59hd No.392634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Also, for most teachers, the grades given to poems and stories reflect how the teacher feels about the particular student more than it does the quality of the paper.

How are the sweeping generalizations working out there for you bud?
Phoebe Drucklestone - Sun, 28 May 2017 14:22:16 EST ID:q/8mfYxo No.392792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I will not believe in Maoist virtues because I am a rational being
I will not believe in Maoist virtues because I am a rational being
I will not study Maoism in lecture because I am a passionate hominid
I will not debate Maoist ideology because I am a European advocate
Research is an essential tool for understanding Mao's influence on history
Google search results for "Mao [was not responsible for the Great Leap Forward]"
Mao's Little Red book is on sale at Barnes and Noble
Raise hand: What are the benefits of Global Monopolization?
Nathaniel Godgeway - Sun, 28 May 2017 15:41:14 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.392796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>about the same sentiment as Pink Floyd's The Wall

How drunk were you when you listened to that album?

The Fall of the United States of America by Rebecca Crappergold - Mon, 22 May 2017 20:46:39 EST ID:T9Aai84I No.392502 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Every empire has had its run throughout history. Rome, Egypt, China, the Mongols, Aztec, Maya, Inca, British, French, German, American, etc.

What do all of the empires so far preceding the US have in common? They waxed and then waned. Their greatness subsided to being average, or in some cases to total disarray and poverty. Now I am a proud American, but you cannot deny the country is in decline in almost every measurable regard (except muh GDP). Outrageously overpriced and low quality healthcare, shit tier education, complete lack of and overall disregard for environmental sustainability, class/race tensions, wealth disparity among the highest in human history, gerrymandering being the standard state of affairs, archaic federalist institutions (e.g. electoral college) which can supersede the public mandate, militarization of police in almost every district, privatized prison industry with egregiously disproportionate ratio of prisoners to citizens (and i won't even get started with the racial disparities among inmates), food and product safety laws that are laughable in most of the civilized world, a foreign policy that basically consists of anally raping any foreign entity that doesn't bow to u.s. interests (and then wondering why they don't want to be buddies 20-40 years later), massive epidemic surveillance of all u.s. citizens that makes orwell's predictions look like a pleasant bed time story, and the cherry on top of the cake of shit is mister Cheeto himself.

So I simply ask, in light of all this torrential shit being mainlined into the bloodstream of America, what does the future hold for this uniquely wonderful and uniquely hideous nation? Will we one day become the vassal state to another country? If so, whom? If America degrades into obese illiteracy land, who will assume top dog status? Russia? China? a wildcard like Germany? South Korea? Canada?

Please, and I know this is probably futile to ask on /pol/, but let's not turn this into a "LOL FUCKING AMERIFATS ARE SO STOOPID" thread, but rather a political discussion on the current state of America's status as a global superpower and rational extrapolations as to its ability to maintain such a position.
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Matilda Grimham - Fri, 26 May 2017 13:02:30 EST ID:Q+UAzH/d No.392653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This, so much this. I'm constantly amazed that people who think they're so much better than "zomg the terrorists" play right into their hands.
Archie Wicklepin - Fri, 26 May 2017 13:41:08 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.392658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In many ways, we are better than the terrorists. At least our nation has had the resilience to go through to growing pains of expanding individual liberties. Yes, we are better than Saudi Society. Objectively.
Hannah Cebbleford - Fri, 26 May 2017 17:44:25 EST ID:HljegQTP No.392663 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You probs didn't get banned because you dissed Islam, but because we've had so many shitposters (not in the sense that I disagreed with them, but in the sense that they only posted fake infographics, 4chon Pepes and generally posted like they were 15 and only in threads about Trump or Muslims). More of a knee-jerk reaction on part of the mods than legit thinking being against Islam = white supremacism. I thought you were one of those cunts myself, and I'm a leftist who doesn't like Islam at all (or any religion for that matter).

That said, your post was dumb. There won't be an Islamic Empire just because some batshit insane jihadists say so (they say and believe a lot of stupid shit, as you probably already know). They only managed to create their 'caliphate' in the first place because Iraq and Syria were so weak at the time. You could make the case that demographic changes will over time enable them to do so in European countries with enough immigration, but you already see European governments restraining immigration because they realize that it's been destabilizing.

You've bought into alt-right rhetoric.
Martin Wacklechure - Fri, 26 May 2017 18:12:28 EST ID:EkRX+tDd No.392665 Ignore Report Quick Reply

constant mass murder isnt trolling.
Caroline Tootson - Sun, 28 May 2017 00:02:07 EST ID:rs98I4nN No.392766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I didnt read SHIT
Fuck You
Guess what, the next regime change from USA Russia Gooksmuslimsjewsivanetc is going to be technological, not warfare induced in nature.
Warfare induced successfully: War for Independence
Warface induced unsuccessfully: Global nuclear armageddon

Automation, global warming and overpopulation is going to cause a whole host of shit that only the rich and the lucky will be able to escape.

Ramzpaul by anon - Sat, 27 May 2017 13:29:38 EST ID:zFzMSPLC No.392722 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys. Was wondering what you think of Ramzpaul?
Satire guy, pokes fun at the establishment. Anybody watch? Here's a few more interesting ones.

Fucking Gubblesetch - Sat, 27 May 2017 18:26:21 EST ID:zFzMSPLC No.392745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Here's another cool one on controlled opposition.

David Snodspear - Sat, 27 May 2017 18:36:31 EST ID:S4j4Jd7W No.392747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I enjoyed his videos so I tried to make videos with similar humour. I made a video about how awful and evil he is and how you can't watch him or you'll commit a genocide and youtube removed it for "bullying".

I had even discussed video with him (this was back when youtube had private messages) and he saw the comedy in it. I think it got like 1000 views or something and I think it was up for a few days or something.
James Wecklemadge - Sat, 27 May 2017 21:16:53 EST ID:6ZBFNIE9 No.392761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm more of a chapo trap house guy.
I think they would be more popular on this board.

Meme-spewing retards from the future's /k/ and /pol/ shot 5 BLM protesters in Minnesota by Walter Fuckingwater - Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:11:59 EST ID:JPD6Q+hn No.391469 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Minnesota man 4 ch /k/ + /pol/ poster gets 15 years for shooting 5 Black Lives Matter protesters

>Video of the shooter on his way to the shooting: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec8_1448421489
>Unironically filming yourself talking about "dindus" and /pol/, and baneposting, and loli, before going to shoot 5 black people and ruining everyone's lives including your own
>your final sentence to the camera is "stay white!"
>All of this is entered into court evidence
>Along with months and months of texts of shitposting to friends about black people
>Went with a jacket with a /k/ patch with Pepe as the emblem
>Went around asking protesters to "culturally enrich" him
>Him at the protest going around antagonising people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj3gc91IpFE

>His lawyer UNIRONICALLY tried to argue his brain was not fully developed at 22 and he had no idea about black people or their lives when he went to the protests that day

>Only got 3 years per person shot, less if he gets out on parole
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Polly Honeybanks - Sat, 27 May 2017 06:17:08 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.392702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're ridiculous, child like naive objections is cute, but you clearly have no idea what your talking about. Especially when it comes to this case.

Also, appeals to authority are a logical fallacy.
Polly Honeybanks - Sat, 27 May 2017 06:32:21 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.392704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
**naive objectivism
Hamilton Dullerbeg - Sat, 27 May 2017 10:23:31 EST ID:glUT7SYB No.392708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well, I'm sure it's not *your* left that they represent. But in general, the media have a left wing slant. I can't say why they decided to run with this story, but they did, and they gave it a fairly typical American liberal spin. Personally I don't believe in spontaneous outrage, certainly not in this case. The stereotype of American police as racist and triggerhappy is way older than the Zimmerman case.

>the media
>the AMERICAN media
>the goddamn jolly african-american hating heavy metal hating jesus christ cocksucking drugs hating media

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking retarded? How many fucking pipes of crack did you fucking smoke before you shat that shard of crystalized retardation all over the internet? Holy fucking shit jolly african-american, what is wrong with you? Get your shit together Tyrone!
Fucking Brupperpog - Sat, 27 May 2017 11:15:40 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.392711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>in general, the media have a left wing slant
lolno our media is controlled by babyboomers and conservative gen Xers who feel threatened by hoodies and that newfangled rap music.
The primary viewers of cable news is babyboomers and conservative gen Xers, hence why Fox gets the highest ratings.

>I can't say why they decided to run with this story, but they did, and they gave it a fairly typical American liberal spin.
They ran it because there was controversy. Every week or two an unarmed man gets murdered by police or something similar, and like half the time he's black.

The media might mention it in passing, everyone says it's terrible and/or we don't know what happened and should wait for the investigation to find the cop feared for his life and doesn't need to go to trial, but there's no real controversy.

This story however fell right in the fault line where both sides felt theirs was defensible.
The story wasn't chosen because it was a good case for the narrative either side wanted to push, it was one of the least clear-cut cases for any narrative involved.
It was chosen because both sides media are driven by viewership, and viewers respond well to controversial shit.
Samuel Brussleridge - Mon, 29 May 2017 19:54:39 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.392864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
remember that the democrats are considered "left" by american standards, despite easily being center-right by european standards. anyone who isn't a trumpshill is basically a lefty libruhl gommunist to these folks.

Coup D'Etat in Germany by James Fongerbidge - Wed, 10 May 2017 05:48:18 EST ID:xzKs8o9I No.391847 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm positive that there is going to be Coup d'Etat in Germany. If in 2017 another politician who is soft on immigration wins the election. There is going to be a Coup d'Etat in Germany by the military. It could happen sooner than the election.


France has a longer history of immigration from various countries. I was semi-surprised that Macron defeated Le Pen by such a large margin. However France has far stronger liberal tradition than Germany and has been home to large number of immigrants since the nineteenth century. Germany has only had large numbers of immigrants following the Second World War and the migrant crisis has put an unprecedented amount of foreigners into the very insular nation that is Germany.

Point being the shit is going to pop.
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Isabella Nenningnock - Mon, 22 May 2017 09:41:41 EST ID:yqYD8ups No.392488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, he meant to make a sweeping generalisation about whatever country you're from...
Fucking Gonderwell - Fri, 26 May 2017 20:35:11 EST ID:TSV//XdC No.392670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know, I don't care about the back and forth about immigration anymore. I don't see the advantage of our current model of immigration and I think it's undeniable that it's lead to some problems. I don't consider the policy to be worth the trouble, and want to amend it through democratic action.

My problem is that this desire is routinely cockblocked, sometimes legally, sometimes illegally. And if democracy is up for discussion if it irks the ideology of people with a lot of power, then it's not functioning very well. The left seems completely committed to mass immigration to the point where it's been frustrating our politics for years. Politics is the art of compromise, and it's time to fucking finally compromise on this. Yeah, people won't like it. Tough shit, welcome to the club.

And if you think your ideology is more important than the democratic system, you're legit closing the book on a chapter of Western history.
Alice Pazzlehock - Fri, 26 May 2017 22:13:54 EST ID:WQQ+NOb5 No.392679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Neither side WANTS to do anything about it- it's all sabre rattling.

The left sees this as a civil rights issue. The right, namely the politicians and business owners, sees cheap labor and both sides see free money from taxation. Both are correct.

The only people who really want to take action are the ignorant folks who get mad at every Fox news story and all the fake news on social media (for what it's worth, our president falls into this category). It won't elections, so the right is pandering to them while largely maintaining status quo.

... And the status quo is really working out for us as a country.
Fucking Gonderwell - Sat, 27 May 2017 03:42:43 EST ID:TSV//XdC No.392696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm talking about Europe here, not the US. If European countries adopted a US style immigration system, that would adress a lot of the concerns a lot of people have about the immigration system.
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Sat, 27 May 2017 04:19:29 EST ID:1GU7gPDe No.392697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Of course, that's because they have no understanding of the material roots of Salafist takfirism, a fundamentally modernist movement within Islam that does not predate the 20th century. Instead they embarrass themselves by pretending to be experts on Islamic jurisprudence. Framing the (inherently geopolitical) conflict playing out today between bourgeois democracy and takfirism as a "war of ideologies" is nothing but apology for the sword of empire.

Are Americans Too Dumb To Politics? by David Dartdale - Sat, 13 May 2017 15:31:32 EST ID:Yh0dEBHV No.392039 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Legit question here -

So, I live in America and of course our small city is run by the usual corrupt assholes. Infrastructure is being allowed to rapidly degrade, and the streets in my neighborhood are literally filled with massive, tire ripping potholes.

Anyway, we were promised new streets this year by our perennially elected mayor, whom then immediately, and admittedly, took that cash and gave it to a developer who "needed to be bailed out."


So, I decided I would fix the potholes myself. Because, fuck...they need fixing. I own a house here. I need to protect my curb appeal.

I asked on a community FB page for help. Even a $10 donation buys a decent amount of patch. Or manual labor. Whatever.

And then the fucking world exploded.

All of a sudden I was "attacking" the mayor (never even mentioned them.) I was trying to "steal money from the city," (not sure how that works...) and best of all, "If you fix this, the city will never do the job. And we will be forced to bear the costs." (Ummmm....take it up with the city?)
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Albert Pickstock - Wed, 17 May 2017 12:34:15 EST ID:Yh0dEBHV No.392268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Very true.

Especially with our current era where the left and the right look to consolidate power away from the voters.
Betsy Surryworth - Sun, 21 May 2017 12:59:35 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.392470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Shit, sorry OP but not only didn't I put my responses to you in the wrong thread I didn't notice until now. >>392195 & >>392198 were meant for you. Do watch "Brazil" it's much like what you describe.
Reuben Pablingsut - Wed, 24 May 2017 02:28:10 EST ID:JgzsFcap No.392534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We absolutely are. I really don't see how anyone can question this. Most Americans when it comes to politics are literally rock fucking stupid.
George Woddlehudge - Wed, 24 May 2017 17:58:32 EST ID:Yh0dEBHV No.392563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah. It is pretty unbelievable.
Yet, it is reality.

TRUMP 2024!!!
Alice Bellystetch - Thu, 25 May 2017 19:59:51 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.392609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's actually kinda hard to refute when one of the main arguments to defend Trump is that Hillary would have been worse. The impopularity of elected bodies and democratic institutions along with the voter turnout alone would be enough to describe a broken democracy.

Not that Americans are unique in having to work out kinks in their democratic system. Who said it was supposed to be easy? (besides trump)

Lets talk about the Vietnam War by Jenny Fiffingstad - Fri, 19 May 2017 18:42:38 EST ID:cE6EowEG No.392406 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>There were never again come a time where we put ourselves to the same degree of self destruction we put ourselves thru compared to the people who spent the most of their lives in Vietnam

Vietnam sounds fucking horrible

Thank you based Nixon for ending that shitty war that happened during the Kennedy/Johnson years.
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Nigel Fogglewurk - Sat, 20 May 2017 10:09:25 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.392424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ty Mike Gravel for forcing the White Houses' hand to end the war.
Shit Punkintetch - Sat, 20 May 2017 16:09:24 EST ID:MqC/+Wc8 No.392435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Whos ready to get false flagged into invading Syria and getting drafted?

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It's more than the CIA, which is in fact useful when shit comes down to brass tacks.

It's the general militarized culture of the US that's the problem. Compare for example the US general populace reaction to the Iraqi war, or hell even Afghanistan, to how the populace of allied European countries was. Here in Europe the reaction was basically "Again? Jesus. Well sure I guess", together with the vocal no-war protests. I clearly remember you Americans being gung ho about it and ended up electing Bush for a second term while at it.

You just love war. That's the simple answer. Until Americans understand how it is to get their neighborhoods bombed, I see no end to this military adventurism.
Hugh Blatherwell - Sun, 21 May 2017 19:12:36 EST ID:h5TaIGNn No.392475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Largest anti-war protests in the history of the US (and the world) were against the invasion of Iraq. There was enormous opposition here in the States, little good it did. Somehow the media's narrative contorted into if you oppose the war you don't support the troops, then the anti-war opposition fizzled out and a bunch of people became disillusioned with protests since it didn't stop anything.
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Wed, 24 May 2017 05:10:41 EST ID:1GU7gPDe No.392537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nixon was such a stand-up guy that he only waged two completely illegal wars in Laos and Cambodia.
Respectfully, I think this is a relatively inadequate analysis of American militarism, it has to be explained with recourse to material conditions other than just a general popular jingoism.

What if Trump is impeached? by Martin Funderstone - Sat, 13 May 2017 10:50:47 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.392020 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Suppose the Russia investigation finds the Trump campaign was directly colluding with Russia or Trump does something so imbecilic that the republicans can't get reelected in their districts if they defend Trump against impeachment or some other scenario results in Trump's impeachment.

What would a Pence presidency look like?
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Oliver Hurrypun - Fri, 19 May 2017 16:39:40 EST ID:lGv/X/N+ No.392403 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yea but let's be honest Gaddafi was a faggot
Beatrice Dobblemetch - Fri, 19 May 2017 17:45:15 EST ID:Yh0dEBHV No.392404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey, remember when our President rented Ghaddafi a house?
Shitting Nimblebirk - Fri, 19 May 2017 21:16:43 EST ID:WJ1QA1Wm No.392409 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Oh you speak Russian?

What is the nasty shit the GOP wants to do or is doing that you speak of? Do you know? What are the accusations in question? Do you know? freakin 'average' dufus
Nell Fonkintack - Fri, 19 May 2017 21:26:42 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.392410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>What is the nasty shit the GOP wants to do or is doing that you speak of? Do you know? What are the accusations in question?
Just generic republican shit; cut funding for public schooling/reallocate funds to voucher schools, cut taxes for the rich in favor of regressive taxes and cuts to social programs, increase military spending, decrease industrial regulation, cut healthcare funding, consolidate power, decrease access to abortion, decrease access to birth control, decrease access to education, decrease workers rights, decrease union's ability to bargain, etc.
Shitting Nimblebirk - Fri, 19 May 2017 23:41:30 EST ID:WJ1QA1Wm No.392413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh, in other words their ongoing 'picnic' got ants, then got rained out. Good-

It's been a long time coming till they finally got caught in the rain and mud
on their shoes.

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