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The Japanese government is crashing and burning by Molly Gucklechetch - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 02:37:45 EST ID:PStQUs2Y No.394982 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I know The Culture Wars is the hottest reality show this season, but lets branch out a little bit yeah?

The ruling Liberal Democratic Party have been enduring non stop gaffes and scandals so far this year, from defense minister Tomomi Inada being a fucking idiot
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201707190026.html
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201706300021.html
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201706150037.html

To the ham fisted ramming through of controversial bills and the proposed constitutional amendment
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201707100028.html
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201706270034.html
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201706170032.html

To the corruption scandal that's probably going to force Abe out (for a second time)
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/tag/moritomo-gakuen/
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Clara Poblingpine - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 10:01:43 EST ID:rkZKMlHk No.394986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't get Japan, their so complacent!
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Priscilla Cushhood - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:47:49 EST ID:gUz78zDV No.394987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394984
two biggest parties are Liberal Democrats and Democrats (i know, kinda confusing). Liberal Democrats are in power, and have been for some time now. LDP was able to come into power largely by sucking up to occupation forces after the war. This is why there's so many Christians in it, which is weird in Japan. And the LDP is the rightist party. DP being... just center right, i guess.

So comparing to the US, imagine a scenario where the Repubs have had control of the country for like several decades. And the populace is even less politically informed and with just slightly higher voter turnout than the US. yeah, shit sucks.

live in the US now, so i haven't been keeping up as much, but throw me some questions. maybe i can answer, maybe i can't.

abe started out not too bad imo, but he just progressively worse and worse. it was around the time they started throwing around the term "abenomics" that i was like "uh-oh". not necessarily because of that, but around that time.

this whole shift back to militarism/nationalism is absolutely disgraceful. and the corruption is getting worse. used to work at a couple of government agencies (one was a short term assignment, the other was full-time). it's really fucking bad fyi. worse than the US. but then again, corporate corruption/collusion is bigger/worse in the US i suppose.

>>394986
they really are, unfortunately.
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John Wussleshit - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 20:50:06 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.394988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>There's wide speculation as to whether she'll attempt to bring her party across the country
>Tokyo First party

Lol yeah I'm sure that'll go over real well everywhere that isn't Tokyo.

Lol yeah I bet that'll be real popular anywhere that isn't Tokyo
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John Wussleshit - Mon, 24 Jul 2017 20:51:42 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.394989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394988
Maybe I should do less drugs nb.
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Barnaby Gurrychidge - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 00:04:39 EST ID:PStQUs2Y No.395182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Thing's gettin shook up, we got some wipeouts.

Defense Minister Tomomi Inada is finally resigning, along with the head of the Ground Self Defense Forces General Toshiya Okabe, over the South Sudan coverup. Foreign Affairs minister Fumio Kishida is expected to double as Defense Minister until a new one is appointed in the coming cabinet shuffle.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170727_34/

The bottom line of that scandal is that under the current rules the JSDF can only operate as peacekeepers in areas under official ceasefire to eliminate the chance of them getting involved in combat. The JSDF in South Sudan were mostly involved in logistics and infrastructure but as the civil war heated up last year the region they were operating in became an active combat zone, a fact that was hidden from the Japanese public. Daily reports submitted by the troops on the ground were concealed and claimed destroyed by the defense ministry until digital copies were found and they couldn't keep up the denials.

Inada's career has been overseen closely by Shinzo Abe from the beginning, they are both members of the ultra nationalist, openly revisionist group Nippon Kaigi and he has taken her under his wing, with speculation before shit started to hit the fan he was grooming her as his successor. Abe is pretty much on lock to reshuffle his cabinet next week in the hopes of reversing his government's death spiral and Inada was expected to be quietly removed from the post then, her ouster now, and her words about it "I hope the buck will stop with me here" shows she's being thrown under the bus to save her boss, from this particular scandal at least. Personally, I'll miss watching her twist in the wind,, and for posterity here's one of her greatest hits, visiting the Yasukini Shrine, and its enshrined war criminals, two days after visiting Pearl Harbour.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/01/07/national/media-national/inadas-yasukuni-visit-sinks-pearl-harbor-gesture


Meanwhile, the opposition is restructuring itself, Democratic Party Secretary General, former Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda, and party President Renho have both stepped down to allow the party to pursue a new direction, and return to respectability as a viable opposition party.
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201707270026.html

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How to Slash spending Military spending without weakening the force by Simon Foffingforth - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 01:58:02 EST ID:rkZKMlHk No.394648 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The biggest waste in our government is price gouging that corruption has allowed to occur.

A good example of this is TransDigm, a company that charged the military for $640 toilet seats, just for instance.
https://theintercept.com/2017/04/13/contractor-whose-business-model-is-price-gouging-the-pentagon-has-powerful-wall-st-backers.

It's little surprise that lead TransDigm representatives gave millions of dollars to lobby congress to reject spending acts that would curtail this theft.

Here's the price-tag we've paid on everyday objets.
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-30/news/vw-18804_1_nut

>NORMAL SCREW: $37
>COFFEE MAKER: $7,622
>TOILET SEAT: $640
>HAMMER: $435
>WRENCH $469
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Matilda Bundlebire - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 01:05:45 EST ID:NEFFIYTz No.395101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pretty much all government contractors make their money by ripping the government off. Used to work for construction chem manufacturers; they sell shoddy products that don't meet spec to shitty contractors that build roads with the minimum spec requirements so they can tear them up a couple years later and rebuild them.

You'd need a whole army of inspectors to keep government money from waste, and even then, where's that money gonna go? Government programs spend everything they are alloted so they don't get their budgets slashed. All you'd see is an increase in in expenditures on high end coffee machines and printers.
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Caroline Guzzlefuck - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 01:33:52 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.395102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395101
Maybe they need to change that rule.
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Frederick Brurrysat - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:46:23 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.395114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395100
>"all the facts"
>click on ID
>literally no facts
wow, color me surprised.
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Hannah Bladgenork - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:25:48 EST ID:EkRX+tDd No.395155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395114

demonstrate where and how im wrong - without any sort of emotional appeal. i dont care an 8 year old died. i only care about the bigger objective, which is killing the fuck out of muslim terror networks. i will concede sometimes were not targeting them all consistently, and were not even tackling the biggest elephant in the room, which is wahhabism funded by saudi arabia. but muh oil..
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George Barddock - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:42:31 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.395180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395155
>demonstrate where and how im wrong
you can't be wrong if you've posited nothing. so hey, at least you have that going for you.


A simple political analysis of Detroit Michigan. by Hugh Blollychet - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:01:56 EST ID:rkZKMlHk No.394994 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Possibly the best example of a once great city that has declined.
While a great tragedy, it is also a great study in societal success and failure.

A lot of people think that Detroit started when Ford founded his company off of the sweat of his brow and was brought down by government regulations. This is only partially true. I think it's important, before I begin to do a brief history of Detroit's economy.

Detroit started as a French fort to control the fur trade. With cannons and muskets they enforced trade and bought fur and sold booze to the natives.

Eventually, America owned Detroit after they seceded from the U.K.

The city was burnt down in 1805 due to a lack of a fire department and was rebuilt by authorization of the United States Congress. The territorial US government devised a plan based off of Washington D.C and Paris which allowed for increased traffic and built the foundation for the city.

As compensation for the fire, citizens got free land to build upon. This private ownership helped increased autonomy.

They got their first industry as they bought local wheat and milled it into flour, shipping it to urban centers in the East.
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Polly Hundlebanks - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:07:33 EST ID:i1eo8CqX No.395002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394994
Here's a good summary of what happened, touching on what others in this thread have mentioned. tl;dr, where you draw the tax borders matters:
https://darwinbondgraham.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/killing-detroit/
>An analysis of Detroit and 28 of the independent suburban towns and cities above 8 Mile Road, mostly in Oakland County, shows clearly how the massive, unsustainable debt came about. Just between 1999 and 2011 the annual median household income for Detroit’s residents fell by $4,300, from $29,500 to $25,100. The number of unemployed doubled from 7.8 to 15.5 percent of the adult population, with many of these job losses resulting from the 2008 financial crisis.
>A handful of the Oakland County suburbs, mostly those bordering the city along 8 Mile Road also saw the incomes of their residents drop, and joblessness rise causing fiscal problems for these governments also. The rest of Oakland County prospered over the same period, however.
>For example, the aptly-named Beverly Hills, a small incorporated village about 7 miles from Detroit has seen the median family income of its residents grow by $12,700 over the last twelve years, from $90,300 to $103,100 today. In a few other Oakland County enclaves families register incomes more than double the nation’s average, three times that of Detroit. These cities, towns, and villages, many of them incorporated in the 1950s and 1960s expressly to absorb white migrants bailing from Detroit, are fiscally healthy units of government. Oakland County today maintains a AAA bond rating from Moody’s and uses this to finance many of the smaller townships, villages, and school districts in its limits. Bloomfield Hills School District has maintained a AAA credit rating thanks to its wealthy residents who are solidly in the top 20 percent of US income earners. Ratings on much of Detroit’s paper ranges from speculative to junk status, often with “negative outlooks,” a phrase in the industry that means downgrades are likely.
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Molly Fudgelock - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:45:32 EST ID:EkRX+tDd No.395004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394997

everything can somehow be blamed on racism. absolutely any single problem you can think of has a reductionist route all the way back to the jews in egypt.
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Fucking Fashlack - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:21:58 EST ID:rcI0vLYr No.395023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394998
You're ignoring the elephant in the room.
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Sophie Nablingdon - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 21:08:46 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.395089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394998
Especially when the 61% that left had 90% of the money.
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Caroline Guzzlefuck - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 00:02:22 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.395099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>395023
>You're ignoring the elephant in the room.


Utah has had it up to here with Trump by David Sunnerkit - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:46:50 EST ID:JCI8Q5Ex No.394013 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So even Utah, one of the most reliable Republican strongholds in the country, is getting fed up with Trump. Jason Chaffetz, a Mormon Republican rep who is stepping down to run for governor, apparently finally feels free enough now to speak his mind about the Orange One:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/338408-chaffetz-trump-administration-almost-worse-than-obamas
>“The reality is, sadly, I don't see much difference between the Trump administration and the Obama administration. I thought there would be this, these floodgates would open up with all the documents we wanted from the Department of State, the Department of Justice, the Pentagon,” Chaffetz said.
>“In many ways, it's almost worse because we're getting nothing, and that's terribly frustrating and, with all due respect, the attorney general has not changed at all. I find him to be worse than what I saw with [former Attorney General] Loretta Lynch in terms of releasing documents and making things available. I just, that's my experience, and that's not what I expected,” he said.

Meanwhile, latest poll shows Trump has a majority unfavorable rating in the state:
http://www.utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/13554-poll-majority-of-utahns-view-president-trump-unfavorably

So how do Trumpets explain losing the favor of such a reliable red state? Cracks in the Republican coalition? Conspiracy by the Mormon Mafia? Revenge for fucking with Romney? Cuckservatives? An incompatibility between moderate Mormon morality vs. frogposting edgelord xenophobia? Or maybe a recognition of the long-term damage that Trump's divisive, corrupt incompetence does to the conservative movement overall?

Trump may very well keep the Evangelical South and the future till the end of time, but the periphery of American conservatism seems to be losing patience. How long until more conservative communities start to get disillusioned?
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Polly Hundlebanks - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:58:55 EST ID:i1eo8CqX No.395005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394205
Some more in-depth analysis and numbers of the intrastate rift Trump caused in the party:
http://gazette.com/mormons-trump-and-mcmullin-a-2016-postmortem-by-the-numbers/article/1607405
>Trump won the nomination anyway, much to the consternation of many Latter-day Saints who were concerned about his personal moral standards, his baiting of Muslims, and his hardline stance on immigration. So it’s little wonder that when orthodox Mormon Evan McMullin emerged as a third-party protest candidate at the eleventh hour, he attracted a groundswell of support. McMullin wound up receiving about 21% of the vote in Utah, while Trump got 46%, according to Utah turnout data.

>That was the lowest support any Republican presidential candidate has garnered in Utah in recent memory. In 2008, nearly two-thirds of Utahns voted for the GOP candidate, and in, 2012 – when fellow Mormon Mitt Romney was on the ticket — nearly three-quarters did.

>There are some interesting differences here. Mormon Republicans who preferred McMullin were less likely to have a tattoo and more likely to view religion as a positive force in society. They were also twice as likely as Trump voters to think that racial diversity is a positive trend in America and that immigrants strengthen American society. Gary Johnson supporters were more likely to support same-sex marriage, but a little less likely to believe that homosexuality should be accepted by society. Mormon Republicans who preferred Trump were more likely to be military veterans and believe that government is almost always wasteful, similar to those that supported Johnson.
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Fucking Fashlack - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:25:46 EST ID:rcI0vLYr No.395007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
cuckservatives. Also chaffetz is loyal to race before religion and that explains his political compass more than anything else
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Hannah Baffingsutch - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:45:23 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.395011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395007
Chaffetz is a a Trump loyalist in the Sessions vein. He would burn the world down for that asshat.
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Beatrice Brookhall - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:38:35 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.395026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394871
And that was before Russia hacked into our election infrastructure in over 40 states and led a massive highly targeted social media propaganda campaign using bots to sway the election. Now that they've done all that, and did it to help Trump win, Trump saying this shit is beyond ridiculous. He deserves to be gunned down in the street as a traitor.
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Ebenezer Cellywater - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:46:15 EST ID:thqgAOE8 No.395027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395007
>Also chaffetz is loyal to race before religion
I'm not exactly sure what this is supposed to mean, but Chaffetz's religion doesn't care what race the country is as long as it's Mormon. Maybe they cared at one point, but nowadays the fastest growing part of the church is Hispanics and other brown people. Trump's wall and deportations and travel bans threatens their world domination plans.

If it comes down to loyalty to Trump or loyalty to his religious community, of course the guy is gonna side with his faith and his state. No surprise there.


Abolishing Political Parties by Nicholas Mollywill - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:01:10 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.394802 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why the fuck in this day and age do political parties even exist? It just becomes a contest to see who can tap into people's tribalism the most and get them to hate the other guys. If politicians had to actually run on their own ideas and beliefs maybe we would have campaigns that were actually focused on the issues rather than just us vs them tribal hatred. Many people have views that don't match up with what any party believes and the issues they hold important may not mesh well with the candidates in either party. First past the post voting and political parties need to be abolished. You should be able to vote for the candidate who most reflects your actual individual views on the various issues and the candidates should be able to evaluate each issue on its own merits without being beholden to party loyalty. Basically everyone agrees that partisanship is a giant problem and I think if we want to begin to fix it, it starts with abolishing political parties.
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Cedric Senkintune - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:58:50 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.394923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394813
You don't have to dismantle the entire framework of government to abolish political parties. Everything would still function the same way. In the legislature, representatives would go and discuss each issue and vote on it however they felt after the debate. It would put the process back on the debate and make that a more integral part of the process. Now the legislation is written, usually by ALEC or other industries and passed along to the leadership. If the leadership comes to a deal with the lobbyists then the leadership will begin to whip the votes needed making sure to stress party loyalty. Instead of being a debate about the ideas it just becomes a negotiation between the party leadership and its members. Others not in the party in power are shut out of the process entirely.

In the executive, they would just have to hire whoever they thought was best for the job without looking at what "team" they're on. It would lead to a better representation of the actual viewpoints held by people the government serves because there would be no way to filter people based on how loyal you think they will be, simply based on how effective you think they will be. Everyone would still be a team of people working together in the roles our system has created, they could still be fired if they didn't do their job. I'm not suggesting anarchy here and I have no idea how you leapt to that conclusion.
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Nell Povingchark - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 03:46:25 EST ID:hqvbzzHo No.394927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394923

Well, might as well discuss these things for future generations because its clear the current civilization is running its course, potentially taking the earth with it. Anarchy only became a word when it needed to because the modern state has not been a part of human history for long. Some say well, that's cause human history hasn't reach such a peak of industrial tech, its the most efficient way. I say its also proven to be inefficient; it drains resources at a alarming amount and basic science shows that this hurts the planet in multiple ways. Science is often wasted on market research and war, instead of advancement and if you look at military budgets in the us vs NASA its true.

Now you say, the USA are not the end all be all. That's true, but the USA exists because of these very systems, throwing it into motion. A global powerhouse almost ultimately always will exist within this economic system - the more modest nations in the west hate to believe it but their well being and prosperity depends upon the violence of such nations. If not the USA itd be Russia or china or so on. This is the reality, because the very structure of a political system is there to keep power over people, to expand hegemony of a certain group over another. This isn't just the Soviet Unions forming its the modern world as a whole

Does this mean I'm screaming anarchy? Well I'm just acknowledging the real. I don't give a fuck about voting because there's no reason for me to trust one individual or a group of individuals who have more wealth and power than me, will have my best interest at heart. Call me when humanity decides to evolve instead of self destruct and I'll consider a political system and idea.. That goes for utopian visions of some modern anarchy paradise too. I'll believe it when I see something good happening with it.
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Priscilla Shittingbury - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:08:53 EST ID:DtS18BPG No.394943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394927
What about voting on ideas directly?
And having "representatives" only exist to brainstorm new ideas which can then be voted on by the people. Use modern tech, to livestream things and make the public easily access the voice and work it can do.
For instance, if I am driving down the road and see a stop light post hit and see a group responding and repairing it. It's causing traffic. Perhaps I have some technical skill in electricity or simple labor that could allow me to help restore flow. Modern fucking bureaucracy makes it so that in order to work there, I would have to formally apply within a system (in person or online), complete a series of tests, formal this, train, blah blah blah.
This is slow.
If 4skin could figure the location of a flag so quick, modern tech combined with potential human ingenuity could go a long way.
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Beatrice Sammerson - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:14:46 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.394969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394943
Good idea. We can crowdsource the actual decisions in government, not just the decision of who hires all the people who make those decisions. I don't think it would be a good idea for all decisions but it's worth a shot for some of them, especially if you still hire everyone for all the roles and just have them consult with them consult with people either in the brainstorming process or letting them choose between options the government employee presents them or a mixture of both. Obviously people who more of an interest and expertise in particular interests would participate in the voting for each interest so it seems like a good way of allowing people who care about an issue have an actual say in it.
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Caroline Gabblewell - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:57:16 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.394970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394969
So...we need national referendums?


DECES LA FRANCE by Jenny Brorringchet - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 23:43:31 EST ID:FvS7gpUy No.394394 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Commie here, and I noticed the French left is more pathetic than any other. They shilled for a neoliberal candidate that was to the FAR RIGHT of Le Pen on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE except immigration.

Now Macron is calling for resurrecting the fucking MONARCHY lmao.

REAL LEFTISTS VOTE FOR LONGER WORK WEEKS, IMPERIALIST WAR, AND MONARCHY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE RACIST!! SMASH THE FRENCH REVOLUTION FOR ANTI RACIST SOLIDARITY!!!

Seriously what in the fuck were they thinking? This is beyond selling out, this is riding on the cocks of out and out reactionaries to oppose a candidate who was more progressive on every issue except one. How the fuck did the French left become so fearful and complacent?
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Hugh Horringhit - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:37:06 EST ID:IaepfqX2 No.394874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394869
>>394873

This is a meaningless discussion. Is the point to argue that the U.S. is more moral because their bombs kill fewer civilians than barrel bombs dropped out of a helicopter, or Russia's unguided munitions?

None of them have much of an issue with killing civilians, but the U.S. has felt the need to maintain its image of 'lawful good' with its allies and for hearts-and-minds strategies, so they try to reduce collateral damage through guided weapons. However, if the U.S. really cared about not killing civilians, their entire foreign policy history would be a lot less murderous.

There are only bad hombres among the key players in the Syrian war. Arguing endlessly about who is the least bad (as if you'd ever reach a consensus anyway, amirite) is pointless.
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Shit Crinkinback - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:04:30 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.394880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394874
>Is the point to argue that the U.S. is more moral because their bombs kill fewer civilians than barrel bombs dropped out of a helicopter, or Russia's unguided munitions?
Only in cases where the US's bombing decreases the number of barrel bombs dropped from helicopters or unguided munitions.

If this was Iraq pt II where there would have been no conflict if the US didn't get involved, the US would be the bad guys here.
This is closer to Bosnia than Iraq.

>Arguing endlessly about who is the least bad (as if you'd ever reach a consensus anyway, amirite) is pointless.
It's certainly not pointless in cases where one entity is bombing civilians and is somehow considered benevolent because the entity trying to stop them can't do so without absolutely zero civilian casualties.
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Jack Goodhall - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:52:27 EST ID:MInFkeKq No.394909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394873
>Do you really require proof
If you're going to declare that something has "far less chance" of something then be prepared to defend that statement.

If you don't want people to question how you compare quantifiable probabilities, don't bring up the idea of comparing quantifiable probabilities. Not that difficult.
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Nathaniel Puckleforth - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:04:48 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.394910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394909
Quit being obtuse, it's readily apparent but impossible to quantify how many more casualties are caused by dropping clusterbombs, dumb bombs, barrel bombs, white phospherous, etc in a city than using weapons that can hit a specific room of a specific building.
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Oliver Muggleson - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:00:26 EST ID:IaepfqX2 No.394911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394880

>It's certainly not pointless in cases where one entity is bombing civilians and is somehow considered benevolent because the entity trying to stop them can't do so without absolutely zero civilian casualties.

I could agree with you if I thought the U.S.' intentions were to stop Assad from bombing civilians because the U.S. really cared about civilians not dying, but I don't really think they care about that. From Hiroshima to Iraq to current drone strike campaigns, the U.S. has killed civilians like it's nobody's business.

What the U.S. cares about is publicity, image and soft power. If their military behaves too ruthlessly, it'll be harder to sell the Truman Doctrine (also known as "world policing") to the voters and to its allies and the rest of the international community, and so it must try to behave a little better than its rivals, but not to the extent that good behavior is allowed to hamper actual results.

Meanwhile, Russia doesn't care about soft power because the decks are stacked against them anyway, and they know they will face stiff resistance to their foreign policy no matter how few civilians they kill (not to mention that their allies are also autocratic, shitty regimes that couldn't care less about civilian casualties).

It's got nothing to do with the U.S. being more morally upstanding than Russia - it's just two different geopolitical strategies.


Fuck it, I'm voting Red next election. by Martin Purringlut - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:56:02 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.394036 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How many of you people got true socialist parties in your countries? I do, and I'm throwing my vote in for 'em.

I mean, we've all watched the far left doing a real comeback the last years, even to the point of trying to rebrand themselves into not-nazis.

It's fucking time to stop this liberal/labour strategic voting. If you got some true reds in your country, start to walk the walk comrade. The liberal dimwits have clearly shown where they're at, and labour parties still answer to their free-market bourgeoisie masters as they've always done. We're all tired of these people, both alt-right and us blood-red ffs.
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Golden Senpai - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 01:52:27 EST ID:XqOr0TAj No.394488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394466
Correct that they are a false dichotomy but they are both equally ideologies as
>>394475 said.

In terms of economics, they are both a set of preconditions to base your economic theory on. Modern economic theory takes private property as a precondition. Communism doesn't have private property so most researched economic theory doesn't work within that domain.
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Jack Blackwell - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 07:02:21 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.394491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394466
>one is a complete political ideology, the other just just an economic function

You don't think that believing that an individual has the right to claim legal ownership of natural resources, the labour of others, whole areas of the planet, and even ideas, is an ideology?
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Isabella Midgeshaw - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 12:07:19 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.394497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You know, I've really come to like this thread. Reminds me of the good old days way before the memester Trumpet plague, before the libertarians left and the socialists got way too jaded for their own good.
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Ernest Blankincocke - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 16:27:04 EST ID:S4j4Jd7W No.394743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's some that's pretty radical. Unfortunately they're all just awful pieces of SJW shit.
They're all useful idiots for the ones with property.

They ruin the chances for success of the workers because they cling to stupid, artificial conflicts that don't need to exist and only benefit capitalists.
The conflict with the "far-right" shouldn't exist. Being against ethnic nationalism has been associated with being left and now it's mandatory to be like that or you'll be perceived as being against the workers movement while really it doesn't help us at all.

I'm still trying to figure out economics so I'm far from sure which faction really has the right choice. Most groups have based their ideology on what sounds nice but don't have enough information to be sure that their way won't just make the world a poor shithole.
I think syndicalism sounds like it might be a good idea but I can't claim to know enough to say that it would really work. There's a big risk that the unions would get ruined by personal politics. The ones at the top might run the syndicate in a way that just benefit themselves but isn't good for the people. They could use their power to prevent criticism by labeling it as "anti-workers" and use the syndicates resources to spread propaganda (or "socialist education") to convince people that the ones opposing the selfish leaders are actually just capitalists.
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Fuck Genningstere - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:08:38 EST ID:kosw8Fl2 No.394907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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although i am a libertarian i really like it when the government buys things in bulk and gives them away in order to cut down the distribution cost of store airconditioning.

i always say that 20% well spent is more money on the table than 35% spent on subsidies. make bulk contracts for knee braces and artificial joints, it is the same system that won world war 2.


#CNNBlackmail by Cornelius Siggleridge - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 02:30:35 EST ID:qHkXlXek No.394304 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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CNN blackmailing a 15 year old over making a fucking fake wrestling meme is #1 on US trends. WWE and Vince McMahon must be loving all this free publicity.
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Jack Pusslefurk - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:46:55 EST ID:gdt3qyTb No.394831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394789
>Obama: protects Wall Street, bombs Middle East, arms terrorists, breaks promises
>"it's the Republican's fault for obstructing, he's just playing 6th-dimensional Mancala, Hope and Change!"

>Trump: protects Wall Street, bombs Middle East, arms terrorists, breaks promises
>"fake news, #winning, liberal tears, #MAGA!"

Truly, the ride never ends.
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Nell Gashwit - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:37:44 EST ID:Nt+nXqp9 No.394842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
CNN needs to get sued for this shit. We need to set a standard that people like CNN can't just flex and threaten people. Look what happened to those people who published Hulk Hogan's sex tape; sued brankrupt. Sure, this isn't like that, but we should at least scare groups like CNN so they cut the shit right away. CNN could easily ruin a person's life.
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Jenny Finnerwire - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:08:06 EST ID:c7+C7mtQ No.394852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394842
>Look what happened to those people who published Hulk Hogan's sex tape; sued brankrupt. Sure, this isn't like that
Lmao wtf.

"Let me bring up this example to illustrate my point then immediately refute my own example a second later"
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Cedric Pickledag - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:28:15 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.394857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394842
Publicly available information connecting a person to things they're saying on the internet is entirely different from a private sex tape.

It would have been perfectly ethical to include the guy's name and an overview of what he says in public forums in the context of showing where this meme came from.
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Simon Gackledock - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:25:36 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.395018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394842
>Look what happened to those people
>this isn't like that
lol then why even bring it up.


Hoe can anyone fight this? by Isabella Blatherville - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 23:46:31 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.394764 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Dead serious question here -

When this is the level of discourse, logic among the GOP base, how can anyone defeat them?

How can anyone beat this kind of deep seated belief system?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFKWnMlhTls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_m4y5quuy8
BASTA!
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Jack Pusslefurk - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:57:59 EST ID:gdt3qyTb No.394832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394764
Easy, take a page from Israel's book. Clear out the South and open it up for "settlements" for Northerners, blacks and immigrants. Pack the rednecks in one big reservation out West in some square state with 3 electoral votes. Problem solved.

I guarantee you the rest of the world will look the other way once you finally get the balls to exise the cancer that is killing your country and the world.
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Shit Geddlewell - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:15:41 EST ID:iYYYad4Q No.394835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394832
I'd rather see all the liberals and minorities moved to a reservation tbh.
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Martha Bengersick - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:30:22 EST ID:PKU1A7S8 No.394836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394835
We know you would, Bubba. In the short time since you immigrated here, you've managed to paint a very convincing caricature of a one-dimensional, simpleminded, superstitious, uneducated, Southern partisan who has never had an idea in his head that Fox News didn't preapprove for him ahead of time.

Nobody here was expecting any better of you, believe me.
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Clara Brookridge - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:02:08 EST ID:AfUelZDs No.394838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394832
>Pack the rednecks in one big reservation out West
So like the Trail of Tears, but with Walmart scooters? I'd love to see that.
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Hedda Crocklestedge - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:21:31 EST ID:R7/IHTQn No.394839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP, clearly your problem is not against the GOP but really against theocrats; people who use religion as an essential part of politics. We tried to outlaw such bullshit, but God knows our history of McCarthyism and our current Bible Belt do nothing to help that. We've got public schools legally allowed to teach creationism and allow students to never learn evolution, and so on and so forth. Really, we need to crack down on religion in the USA. The USA is about freedom, sure, but religion entering public education and office needs to be strictly banned and enforced. That's really the best we can do; is make sure all children, including religious ones, get a uniform, objective education based on the highest of sciences and academia. If religion is taught in school, it must be in history class or something akin to that.

Can we fix the problem now? No. They've got their rights. All we can do is outvote them.


Absolutely Insane Antifa Says Police Horse Was Racist Trump Supporter by TRUMP SUPPORTER - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 03:45:46 EST ID:wxu+R6h6 No.394768 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Absolute Degeneracy. The horse comment starts at 3:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcD5wZNtVjg&feature=youtu.be&a
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Reason: Horses aren't racist. Chickens on the other hand, disgusting.
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 07:09:17 EST ID:tip6eSpV No.394775 Report Quick Reply
>>394768
I usually delete these threads but I had to check the video.

Fucking hell.

Like the song goes 'A horse is a horse, of course, of course'
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Barnaby Greendale - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 07:32:04 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.394777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394775
Why not at least lock this? /pol/ is for discussing politics.
This seems like some nobody said stupid shit.

Well actually, this seems like an attempt to paint anyone who supports an idea by selecting the very worst supporters of that idea.
Which still isn't what politics ought to be.
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sun, 16 Jul 2017 09:28:52 EST ID:tip6eSpV No.394780 Report Quick Reply
>>394777

Amen to that.


Angela Merkel; leader of the free world. by Simon Dreshville - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:29:45 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.393130 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hopefully no one is too triggered but it does make sense. The free world is exactly that and chooses who it follows. If you disagree then name of the leader of a free country you think would side with Trump over Merkel in general? I could see it with Teresa May(be) but cant think of anyone else.

Some stuff on the subject:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-paris-trump-20170601-story.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/angela-merkel-donald-trump-democracy-freedom-of-press-a7556986.html
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/world/2017/05/30/german-chancellor-angela-merkel-now-leader-free-world/102308694/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/the-leader-of-the-free-world-meets-donald-trump-214924
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/335603-countering-trump-merkel-and-macron-look-to-lead-free-world
https://www.quora.com/Will-Angela-Merkel-be-the-next-leader-of-the-free-world
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/free-world-angela-merkel/3129/
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Frederick Nizzlesan - Sun, 09 Jul 2017 19:07:58 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.394504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394503
don't even the most pessimistic polls have her winning by like 9 points? and i think more recent ones show the CDU beating the SPD by as much as 15%.
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Caroline Pittfield - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 04:44:20 EST ID:glUT7SYB No.394517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are we seeing the USA lose its "leader of the free world" status with a whimper and not a bang?
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Nicholas Puddlestock - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:21:00 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.394519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394517
The USA did earn the leader of the free world status not because of any white-house cabinet but despite it. All the same one other particular white-house cabinet can not destroy that status, which is also the reason the US archived that status in the first place.
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Alice Bobblenane - Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:52:50 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.394521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394517
Less a whimper and more of a whine...
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Isabella Drebberham - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 02:39:46 EST ID:dLSgzthc No.394722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>393130

Pretty tough to be the leader of the "free" world when your economy depends on exporting unemployment to Hungary ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Paid protest by Augustus Mungerworth - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 02:21:35 EST ID:HsGDoYnF No.394651 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Milo Yiannopoulis, pedophilia advocate and author of book that sold less than 200 copies in the UK has been revealed to be a paid protester.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/9a7nq3/milo-yiannopoulos-college-speaking-tour

Sorry not sorry chuds. You've been played again.
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Henry Chammerfoot - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 13:09:06 EST ID:VqGtqGtM No.394677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394676
yeah, the right hates fags. we know.
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Reuben Cicklebury - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 13:20:20 EST ID:PIa6yiXY No.394678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Isn't this well known? I remember reading something about some SJW that was invited by Milo to one of his rallies (I don't know why) and he totally knows this is all dumb bullshit but they keep paying him, so he'll keep doing it.
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Reuben Cicklebury - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 13:20:50 EST ID:PIa6yiXY No.394679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>394671
Keep projecting buddy.
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Simon Brammlewater - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 13:24:42 EST ID:ZS7ek+hG No.394680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394679
Nice try Brian Singer.
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Thomas Smalldale - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:44:20 EST ID:m9Y0/PHB No.394684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know, I've been wondering if the Mercer's have been coordinating with the russians on the future propaganda for a while now. I had attributed all their efforts to the russians, but it seems unlikely that they would have that many english speaking trolls. Milo was heavily shilled on the future along with Nigel Farage and other shit Mercer backs. I wonder if Mercer is involved with shilling seth rich and tea leaves too.


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