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Deeper down the rabbit hole by Beatrice Bleddlechedging - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:08:50 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.397201 Report Reply Quick Reply
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-appear-to-use-facebook-to-push-pro-trump-flash-mobs-in-florida

>Suspected Russia propagandists on Facebook tried to organize more than a dozen pro-Trump rallies in Florida during last year’s election, The Daily Beast has learned.

>The demonstrations—at least one of which was promoted online by local pro-Trump activists— brought dozens of supporters together in real life. They appear to be the first case of Russian provocateurs successfully mobilizing Americans over Facebook in direct support of Donald Trump.

>The Aug. 20, 2016, events were collectively called “Florida Goes Trump!” and they were billed as a “patriotic state-wide flash mob,” unfolding simultaneously in 17 different cities and towns in the battleground state. It’s difficult to determine how many of those locations actually witnessed any turnout, in part because Facebook’s recent deletion of hundreds of Russian accounts hid much of the evidence. But videos and photos from two of the locations—Fort Lauderdale and Coral Springs—were reposted to a Facebook page run by the local Trump campaign chair, where they remain to this day.

>“On August 20, we want to gather patriots on the streets of Floridian towns and cities and march to unite America and support Donald Trump!” read the Facebook event page for the demonstrations. “Our flash mob will occur in several places at the same time; more details about locations will be added later. Go Donald!”

>The Florida flash mob was one of at least four pro-Trump or anti-Hillary Clinton demonstrations conceived and organized over a Facebook page called “Being Patriotic,” and a related Twitter account called “march_for_trump.” (The Daily Beast identified the accounts in a software-assisted review of politically themed social-media profiles.)

>Being Patriotic had 200,000 followers and the strongest activist bent of any of the suspected Russian Facebook election pages that have so far emerged. Events promoted by the page last year included a July “Down With Hillary!” protest outside Clinton’s New York campaign headquarters, a September 11 pro-Trump demonstration in Manhattan, simultaneous “Miners for Trump” demonstrations in Philadelphia and Pi…
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Beatrice Briblingmure - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 12:35:32 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.397321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397313
Well yeah, he was unfocused and rambling and had a lot of irrelevant details which he didn't explain or connect to what he was saying, but he did touch on a few very important points, mainly that Russia has been at this for a long time, that they used to target mostly leftists but now they're targeting the right, that the scale of their propaganda campaign is massive, that basically everything conspiracy theory types believe they have been fed by Russian propagandists. The CIA deep state/illuminati boogeyman has been carefully crafted by the Russians so that people instantly distrust anything the American intelligence/ government says. The truth is that the CIA uses a lot of propaganda, yes, but they use it mostly on other countries, not on Americans, they really do have America's best interest's at heart, they really do follow the laws and uphold the constitution, they tell the truth to the Americans more often than not.

Let me explain a little about propaganda. There are two main types of propaganda, government or public propaganda and private propaganda. The second group consists of private, non-governmental individuals or organizations which use propaganda to advance their own interests. This includes advertising and television and magazines and movies and all the messages contained within that the private individuals want to put there. Sometimes the government works with these groups and introduces its own propaganda through a privately owned media source so there's a lot of overlap between the two groups.

Now government propaganda is either domestic or foreign in nature, that is, it's either presented to/targeted at people in the government's own country or a foreign country. Domestic propaganda is used to keep the people happy and complacent and to maintain power over the population. A classic example would be the North Korean Kim regime where people are indoctrinated from birth and information is highly restricted and controlled by the government. Foreign propaganda is used by a government on the citizens and/or government/military of a foreign nation in order to achieve some foreign policy goal, for example if about to invade you want to make the people of the country you're about to invade unhappy with the government. You could set opposing factions within the government against each other so that they are divided and weakened when you move in. You could make them think life under your rule would be nice and trying to fight would be pointless and result in horrific consequences.

All governments use both foreign and domestic propaganda and there's a lot of overlap between the two, for example, the US government controls certain aspects of pretty much any movie or TV show filmed that's about the US military because they offer to give movie makers all sorts of awesome military equipment for props as long as they agree to certain stipulations about how the military is portrayed in the movies. The movies go out to both people in the US and the entire world. People see the US with almost magical military prowess. They can hack into anything, send agents anywhere at any time, send strike teams storming anywhere at a moment's notice etc. They project an image of strength both at home and abroad and make the US are at worst chaotic good.

The question isn't whether governments use these tactics, but how much, and to what effect. The truth of the matter is that when it comes to domestic propaganda, the US is much better than most other countries. It's mostly a mix of private and public propaganda intersecting around government elections. The elections are horribly vulnurable to private control with propaganda in America and each year they gain a little more control over the government, but private greed is the worst Americans have to worry about. The US uses foreign propaganda to great effect, this is true, but the more important thing for US citizens to realize is that Russia uses both private and foreign propaganda to great effect. They are the world leaders in propaganda techniques, only the US rivals them, but the qualitative difference between the US and Russian propaganda is huge.

Russians basically just have no ethical scruples, they don't give a fuck. They are masters of spreading misinformation. They know how to worm their way deep into the psyche of their enemy and control their thoughts. They have created a deep mistrust of the American government among the American people. The illuminati/ deep state was created to make people paranoid and mistrust the government. The mark of a great con is when the conman explains to his target that someone has been conning him all along and the target thanks the con for alerting him to this and saving him from being conned.

The Russians constantly accuse the CIA/illuminati/deep state of doing what they themselves are doing. They prime their targets to believe that there is some shady boogeyman doing all these horrible evil things and bulid up the hatred over long exposure to propaganda so that if and when anyone is alerted to their own illicit actions, they can merely redirect and scapegoat all the attention back to their boogeyman. They are masters of "whataboutisms". It doesn't matter what you get caught doing as long as you can create the illusion that there are two opposing sides to each and every issue and that the other side is always worse. This is the core of their strategy to control the minds of Americans. They whip people up into a frenzy of hatred. They bombard people with long exposures of the same ideas over and over again, for example immigrants are bad evil rapists and shady globalists are trying to destroy western civilization by forcing immigrants on people. There is always some conspiracy boogeyman shit going on that makes people hate and mistrust their own government.
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Nicholas Wecklelutch - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:04:06 EST ID:kZUMXybj No.397337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397321
The CIA only poses a threat to American citizens if you're one living overseas. That doesn't mean the CIA has no blood on its hands. The rational approach to the Russia/US situation is to say "a pox on both their houses", not uphold some insane American nationalism backed by conspiracy theories on top of conspiracy theories.

Just read Noam Chomsky you fucks.
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Henry Brunderdale - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:04:44 EST ID:xHfkkhXd No.397338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>397321
What a well thought out post, albeit long, would read again. I recommend checking out the book Life During Wartime: Resisting Counterinsurgency, which explores infiltration and counter-intelligence in the US, and how those methods once used elsewhere are being reapplied domestically now.

It'd be curious to see a comparison of the US and Russia counter-insurgency methods. Hopefully someone tackles such eventually.
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Barnaby Chullyway - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:36:23 EST ID:+g8PjqUe No.397373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397338

Amazing book, and a must read.
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Phoebe Clollyfut - Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:21:57 EST ID:rcpuYBfv No.397382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397321

Russians whip people up into hateful frenzy's? Come on. It's not that deep. They pull on strings that every imperialist type nation already has. At best they sped up an inevitable occurrence. For instance the u.s. pulled some strings in the Egyptian uprising. Does this fact negate that these strings were already there, and a major thorn in the sides of liberty loving Egyptians?


Refugees by Albert Nickleworth - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:58:35 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.396920 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I assume we are all familiar with the general global migration problem? Basically people are moving from poor countries to rich at a rate and in a manner and composition that is beginning to irritate the rich countries. First off we need to distinguish between the 3 main and different groups. Immigrants, irregular migrants and asylum seekers. This thread concerns mostly asylum seekers.

The whole point of asylum is basically that if you are being murdered in your country you can seek protection elsewhere and not be sent back to be murdered. It's all here: http://www.unhcr.org/1951-refugee-convention.html (I think). The whole thing was designed after WW2 and the whole holocaust thing. It makes perfect sense. Everyone has to protect their neighbors when they are in trouble and expect likewise. It also means that you have somewhere to go if you have ideas your government deems inconvenient. So far so good. The British considered it a mark of pride to host continental refugees (many of whom subsequently fought alongside them). Likewise Sweden was happy to welcome Danish Jews and Finnish children.

In the shrunken (globalized) world we inhabit people can move much further much easier. Unlike the neighbor and clear necessity based border crossing of yore the modern world resembles a market where you can go country shopping. Different countries have widely differing offers for refugees after all. At a glance this can seem great, but to those offering asylum it is an open-ended commitment that can be theoretically accessed by any of the 65.6 million people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_crisis) currently counted as refugees. Why? Because we all signed the damn documents that's why.

So why hasn't it been changed? Mostly because it has grown into the global standard and that is really hard to change because it involves everyone (many of which hate each other). Much like the U.N. it's simply the best we've got and we'd probably need another world war to be in a position where we were willing to cooperate to make a new one. Srsly, governments (of any stripe) rarely undertake major altruistic international commitments unless shit has hit the fan in a big way. Dictators ironically seem…
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Angus Blingerhall - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:01:05 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.397302 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>397280
I should have posted USA in the 1830s.

Anyway, my point is that roles different regions take in history changes over time.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 05:23:02 EST ID:iFsdrSSG No.397316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397301
Well yes, I didn't say it was a unique situation. In this case it's contingent on the formerly disgraced Deng Xiaoping returning to seize Party power after the death of Mao Zedong. Deng succeeded in instituting neoliberal reforms that have resulted in China's full integration into the global market. I do think your use of industrialized/undeveloped is somewhat misleading, the issue is that the imperialist nations have deindustrialized in the process of relegating production to the third world. The third world nations are industrialized, this is what counts as "undeveloped" for our immediate purposes. For China to have an advanced services economy like we see in Germany or Canada it would have to join the ranks of the imperialist nations themselves. So to answer your question, what happens when India etc. de-industrialize, this won't happen unless in a Bizarro future where BRICS nations are hegemonic. You can't have a world where everyone is a shark, someone has to be the prey.
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Clara Meblingmurk - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 08:46:20 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.397318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>397316
China is already at that point btw.
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Clara Meblingmurk - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:05:46 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.397319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>397316
Here is how the west fares in terms of industry. No where near as dramatic.
What this chart doesn't tell you is how much output is represented by these percentages.
This does not imply that the west won't be able to produce the required industrial goods in the future all the same it doesn't mean they aren't producing the required food. It's just that based on supply and demand industrial goods aren't worth as much when it's so easy to produce them.

And for the most part industry in BRICS doesn't replace western industry, it more or less provides additional supply. Of course the increased competition makes it harder for unskilled people working in western industry.
But I don't really see any way out for those people, pretty much regardless of how many right wing governments they elect.
All the same if you want to work in agriculture today you still can, as an agricultural botanist, combine operator, etc...
The same is true for industry.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:37:45 EST ID:iFsdrSSG No.397320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397319
My point was the inherently predatory nature of imperialism. Going back to my first post in this thread, this is based in the control of living labor power as a commodity. Labor arbitrage subsidizes a high level of individual income in the Triad countries and is dependent on the military hegemony of the United States. Imperialism (and the financialization of core economies) represents an advanced development in capitalism and the imperialist countries will not re-locate production within their borders. The US will use its military power to ensure the flow of cheap consumer goods if it deems it necessary.


The anti government types are actually pro government! by Hannah Hubberkone - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 07:29:23 EST ID:6zExGW/M No.397131 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's with all the ancaps, and rightists who say they're sick of big government and need a revolution scoffing and spitting on people who literally stormed the home of a openly corrupted politician? I guess by anti government they mean a "I want the brutal government of the 1920s back where no regulation was happened and rich people could have dissidents assassinated without the media even acknowledging a problem. Ah the good ol days when national guard could shoot the rabble dead. Now government is restrained by moralistic traps".
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William Moshlot - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:03:56 EST ID:GnpVqSi1 No.397307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397208

Lmfao the facts are so biased and the masks of society's institutional violence have been ripped off so hard that there is no defending the police without getting banned. People's perceptions around the world are shifting against the grain of the old society. There's legit no arguments theyll present that won't just be bootlicker nonsense. "Muh evil riots" "thugs and criminals" "law and order" "defend the American way of life" "arrest them all" "don't commit crime if you don't want to be seriously injured" are the only talking points any pro police people have. At this point liberals that still feel an emotional connection to our society become silent when the facts are presented because deep down in their hearts they can't for the life of them bring themselves to these jackbooted authoritarian talking points like they once could. The liberal working class are becoming so far to the left that MSNBC and CNN are basically talking to a brick wall.
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Basil Nodgefuck - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:36:52 EST ID:x5cT5GmQ No.397310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397131
The problem for me isn't that these protesters are rebelling against the police, the problem is that they're damaging too much private property in the process while at the same time antifa nation wide is far too socialist in a big government way. You can't call yourself an anarchist and then spout stuff about how Medicaid expansion is good while destroying someone not involved with the police's private property and not expect some reaction from even the Centrist Right.
That said The police are overly militarized, the problem with some of these "anarchists", they don't think to themselves "hey, Obama enabled the police to be crypt-fascist bullies by continuing Bush's Police militarization policies."
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Cornelius Honderfuck - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:34:04 EST ID:6tYnT5h8 No.397312 Report Quick Reply
>>397310

>Obama enabled the police to be crypt-fascist bullies by continuing Bush's Police militarization policies.

Actually he put a lot of restrictions on all that which Trump overturned sometime in August.
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Hugh Sillyfuck - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:43:53 EST ID:OtI4dW+L No.397315 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397310

Name 10 revolutions or uprisings that didn't disrupt the daily routine of citizens in the location it happened in. Name 10 revolutions or uprisings that didn't involve destruction. Shit cabbies who didn't go on general strikes with the labor movement were ripped from their cabs, beat and had their cars flipped for being scabs during the depression. It's one thing to be against revolutions and uprisings because this shows a proper stance in itself but to take a centrist "I don't like this" approach is ignoring what happens, and how history tells us things work.
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Henry Brunderdale - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:18:48 EST ID:xHfkkhXd No.397328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>397312
Keep in mind that the Ferguson and subsequent uprisings that spread throughout the US and the globe happened during Obama's term, with anti-authoritarians and outright anarchists participating. They protested Obama's inauguration too, in fewer numbers.

>>397310
Under the Obama White House it was the same as it ever was. Sure, black sites were rolled back internationally, but in Chicago there was Homan square, which is pretty close to a blacksite. Yet not a word from Obama and co., nor from Rahm Emanuel, who was chief of staff for awhile before becoming the mayor there. Also, the National Defense Authorization Act was expanded again, the transfer of military equipment to police continued, asset forfeiture increased, as well as medical marijuana dispensary and ICE raids too.

What restrictions did he put into place? There were minor reforms, like body cameras and oversight boards, which have proven to not curtail police killings or abuse. Otherwise it seems like the the militarization of the police continued, but since it was under Obama, it didn't get as much attention or outcry, and was normalized in a way.


Fuck Texas for their politics by Ian Nankinwell - Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:22:03 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396473 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I am done with the sympathy for Tex-ass.

For decades, these backwards chucklefucks elected the most backwards, insane, selfish cunts they could find. Every single time someone suggests something like, I dunno, taxing the rich, Texas threatens to secede. If Ted Cruz doesn't get a mint with his dinner check at Olive Garden (the fanciest place to eat in Texas, BTW,) he threatens to secede.
Texans are shooting at rescuers. They shoot at EVERYTHING. And every single asshole getting pulled out of the water is some fat ass who got caught driving around looking for an open Krispy Creme.

Politically, Texas has had no problem screwing other states and denying them hurricane relief.

I say, fine...you wanna be the Texas Confederate Circle Jerks of America or whatever, then you are on your own. No more relief money...no national guard. No resources. You have to learn to share and be civilized before you get those things.
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Nigel Sasslekotch - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 12:32:05 EST ID:E0iKQ/s8 No.397136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397098
Man, I had a really good response to this post kinda just affirming your point that legit surprised me because it got pretty deep into economics, which I usually can't write about for shit...then my thumb accidentally bumped the home page button on my phones internet and it was all gone in a flash.

After like 3 legit hours trying to recreate it I realize it was a bit of the spur of the moment brilliance, any attempt at recreation will produce nothing but rambling b.s. that doesn't further the discussion, so alas....

You're spot on, on both counts. Empowerment of the marginalized is hugely positive in a melting pot like the USA. An actual education is important as hell, if anything just to equip one with critical thinking skills. A lack of critical thinking abilities and general education is part of what brought forth Trump vs Hillary '16. Economies preform far, far better when more of the citizenry is encouraged to contribute to the economy, tham when certain groups like women are barred from participating. People who refuse to acknowledge these facts are a cancer. Reality isn't some dopey 50s sitcom or John Wayne movie. Women are basically half of the species, id say they contribute just as much to societal development and philosophies as the other half. There's no reason to treat them as lower for nothing but their chromosomes.
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Simon Dirrywill - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:38:56 EST ID:6POwg5Ik No.397205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397098
This post is spot on. There is a interesting development in Japan about what you just posted on woman being more educated and having less children, and that is why the fertility rate their is so low.
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Beatrice Duckson - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:07:01 EST ID:zA8Zcg02 No.397207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397205
Whoa, someone get Akihito on the phone. This guy found the, one and only, reason why the fertility rate in Japan is so low.
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Ernest Foshridge - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:09:45 EST ID:g7uHCdWz No.397229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397205
>spot on.
>woman being more educated = less children
that is literally the opposite of what he said.

also this:
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Esther Sonderville - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 20:10:12 EST ID:2jpdFdE0 No.397234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397205
Yep it couldn't have to do with the 60 hour work week required to afford a family.


Canada's Pro US labor NAFTA push to stop the race to the bottom by Ebenezer Widdlechan - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:49:56 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.397147 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Canada would like to see more protections and an end to some union busting legislative initiatives as part of their NAFTA renegotiation - but they want them for US workers specifically.
https://www.thenation.com/article/canada-is-using-nafta-to-demand-protection-for-us-unions/

On the surface it might seem pretty darn nice of them - but the reality is that if they can stall US labor's 'race to the bottom' they will probably protect their own workers from a similar fate. Turning the tide in the US means having to fight less of that battle at home.

At the very least, if they can slow down the deterioration of labor standards in the americas, if they can win labor protections for workers here in the US, they can win them by proxy up in more-affluent canada.

... has demanded protections for unionization and collective-bargaining rights, and called directly for a ban on "right to work" laws, which many states have used to dilute union power and sink wages, with spillover effects for the workforces of US trade partners. Pressured by unions, Canadian ministers seem to be leveraging labor standards to pressure Trump to make NAFTA, in theory, more beneficial for Canada's labor force by countering the "race to the bottom."

Strange that we've arrived at a point where our Canadian neighbor's government is a better friend to US labor than the US and its own representatives.

Thoughts?
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Henry Bunwill - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:58:08 EST ID:PStQUs2Y No.397180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397179
NAFTA was devastating to our economy when it came into force, and so unpopular that it sunk a government, and then when the next government who campaigned on promising to pull out of it didn't follow through with it sunk them.

But our economy has adjusted (and been sold to the americans wholesale) since then so pulling out would be even worse at this point. There's no current political appetite for getting rid of it, and the current government is the party of Bay Street vested interests so it goes against their mandate of making rich people more money.
There IS a strong general desire to have as little to fucking do with that shitshow in the US as possible though, so if negotiations did just break down I think public opinion could be pushed towards friendship ended with washington beijing is my best friend now.
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Matilda Sumblefuck - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:41:14 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.397181 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397180
>There IS a strong general desire to have as little to fucking do with that shitshow in the US as possible though, so if negotiations did just break down I think public opinion could be pushed towards friendship ended with washington beijing is my best friend now.

Fucking Trump...how do you piss of Canadians?
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Jenny Blenderville - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:43:00 EST ID:Q0bzZZKf No.397182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397181
To be fair I seem to remember Dubya pissing them off quite a bit, too.
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Augustus Perringstirk - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:11:05 EST ID:PIa6yiXY No.397183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397180
>next government who campaigned on promising to pull out of it didn't follow through with it sunk them.

10 years of majority government is hardly "sinking" I'd say.
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Lillian Cunnersat - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:09:45 EST ID:PStQUs2Y No.397185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397183
my bad, forgot to type the nearly there, they recovered but Chretien had to get Bill Clinton to write us a letter promising he wouldn't steal our natural resources.


Houston, we have an el problemo... by Martha Wankinman - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 00:15:02 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396547 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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After Katrina hit, a lot of illegal immigrants came into the city to rebuild it. The fact is, the construction industry heavily relies on illegal labor.

Well, we are having a Mega-Katrina in the Houston area. Fuck ton of damage to homes and businesses. All of which will need to be fixed ASAP.

This kind of leads to an awkward problem...

We have a POTUS who hates illegals. Texas has also passed a law making sanctuary cities illegal and vowed to help Trump get rid of illegals.

Whom, they now need in massive numbers.

Or face a major labor shortage.

Yeah.... El Problemo Super Sabado Gigante!

Anywho, what do you think will happen when this labor need hits the political realities on the ground?
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Nathaniel Bendleson - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:55:10 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.397118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397113
since when did Rs not like globalism? even trump is a neolib globalist.
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Caroline Wushdere - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:51:17 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.397122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397118
Not saying Rs don't. Just that so do Ds. To the point where they look like Rs.
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Martha Chebbershaw - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:29:06 EST ID:HYNIIWh0 No.397127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397122
>To the point where they look like Rs.
well, amen to that.

i think a lot of people have started to come to this realization, that the Rs and Ds are really one and the same. what still baffles me though is how people thought trump was the solution to this... a rich new york real estate tycoon with political connections to both sides...
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Martha Pullywill - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:59:32 EST ID:7vXpw3uu No.397128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397127

R2-D2 was the secret message all along. the dash is actually an equals sign.

R2=D2

divide both sides by 2

R = D
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Hugh Hibblestock - Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:46:10 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.397146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397127
And one who wants to fuck his own daughter....


Milo by Henry Creckleville - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 21:53:33 EST ID:FHPWXqpx No.396846 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Fellow comrades, how do we feel about milo? He's homosexual so hes opressed so hes one of ours but he hates the left and uses that unpleasent and toxic f word constantly. Why cant he just be a dangerous homosexual? I'm finding him really problematic.
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George Brishpirk - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:14:12 EST ID:NxR1iOYW No.397120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397115
he literally said it was a good thing for his sexual development that a catholic priest sexually engaged with him when he was 13.

he just became too edgy for his own good, basically. i mean he literally refers to himself as "edgy", so...
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Caroline Wushdere - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:52:22 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.397123 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397120
Basically.

Also, Milo ain't the picture of mental health. One has to wonder...
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Barnaby Pickworth - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:29:02 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.397124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>397123

Well it didn't surprise me. Well what he said did but not that the words came out of his mouth.

The guy is the ultimate troll, ok? A white, gay and goodlooking asshole saying shit that triggers the fuck out of the SJW crowd. No wonder he'd think he could pull it a bridge too far.
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Caroline Wushdere - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:44:56 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.397125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397124
Probably the most accurate analysis of him. The guy was literally shit out of 4Chins collective unconscious. Some sort of Jungian archetype made up of online awfulness. It was only natural he eventually find that "bridge too far." Because, he was looking for it.
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Lillian Braddleshaw - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 19:04:40 EST ID:n2QXqOEe No.397126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397123
The gay mafia is real and Milo was being to real about the bacha bazi.


Meme-spewing retards from the future's /k/ and /pol/ shot 5 BLM protesters in Minnesota by Walter Fuckingwater - Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:11:59 EST ID:JPD6Q+hn No.391469 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-man-gets-15-years-for-shooting-5-black-lives-matter-protesters/?
>Minnesota man 4 ch /k/ + /pol/ poster gets 15 years for shooting 5 Black Lives Matter protesters

>Video of the shooter on his way to the shooting: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec8_1448421489
>Unironically filming yourself talking about "dindus" and /pol/, and baneposting, and loli, before going to shoot 5 black people and ruining everyone's lives including your own
>your final sentence to the camera is "stay white!"
>All of this is entered into court evidence
>Along with months and months of texts of shitposting to friends about black people
>Went with a jacket with a /k/ patch with Pepe as the emblem
>Went around asking protesters to "culturally enrich" him
>Him at the protest going around antagonising people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj3gc91IpFE

>His lawyer UNIRONICALLY tried to argue his brain was not fully developed at 22 and he had no idea about black people or their lives when he went to the protests that day

>Only got 3 years per person shot, less if he gets out on parole
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Fucking Blytheson - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 20:09:02 EST ID:dGw4dHyr No.396940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396859
You are a retard and need to go back to the future
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Edward Turveygold - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 20:23:22 EST ID:7vXpw3uu No.396942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396859

thats real fuckin neato, lad
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Frederick Bezzlewater - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 22:48:36 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.397033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>396859
>Yankees
>New England
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Caroline Favingstock - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:05:53 EST ID:GnpVqSi1 No.397102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Once he and James field get into prison (county jails will have em in PC) they are fucked. Two very high profile cases. Gangs and pissed off inmates will be at their throats. Theyll get a real taste of "the thugs" they hate so much and realize they have no chance of winning a war against them, especially without access to their little firearms. Sure there's white gangs in prison but they work with Mexican and Muslims and more or less just a result of prison race politics. Theyll end up raping these lads in the shower once they find out they're flying blue lives matter flags. Going to prison with a law and order moral set aka a snitch state of mind is no bueno.
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Cornelius Pemmlekane - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:20:06 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.397106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396859
>European superiority stereotype
>by assuming a bunch of dumb shit about a place you've never been
lol no, pretty sure that's the ignorant, dumb, unwordly american stereotype.

>what yankee means
what yankee means depends on the context. how do you not know this as an american?

>/leftypol/
>/int/
just go back, you flaming fucking faggot cripplechan reject.


Trump: the do nothing president by David Fuckingfoot - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:21:13 EST ID:8b+KEEa8 No.395801 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Because of the things he says because of the lack of seriousness in his approach to lead, it is hard to imagine how he can effectively govern for the next 3 and half years.

What he will not come out and say makes it impossible for him to put any pressure on even his own party to push policies through.
Any poli sci majors have a take on this? He continues to fail in this area and now is unimaginable that he will be able to negotiate even among the GOP.

I feel like I am being ultra realistic on this point. Simply his race relations could perhaps be the worst since reconstruction era.
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Jack Dumbletot - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 03:53:48 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.397003 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why the blue hell is "Trump Derangement Syndrome" a pro-Trump phrase?

If you ask me, it should be an anti-Trump phrase because its the Trumptards who are the crazy ones.

Worst fudgin' cult of personality of all time.
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Basil Donderditch - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 07:44:24 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.397042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would bet my life savings that he's not going to make it to the end of his term. It's not like he's going to magically start shaping up and become a great president, quite the contrary, soon Obama's leftover proposals will be drying up and he'll have nothing to claim as his own and the shiatgibbons he replaced them with can't do the task because for one, Trump still hasn't hired anyone to work in other important congress confirmed positions. The entire government is just limping along and when people has quit, no one is replacing them. Trump seems wholly uninterested in hiring people to actually run the fucking government. He's going to war with the GOP and it's only a matter of time before they start hitting back and impeach. Mueller is getting closer to giving them the ammo they need every day.
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Eliza Croddlenotch - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 11:47:28 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.397046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397042
I will take that bet!
He will last all 4 years and beyond that. The GOP are too ignorant and prideful to see it any other way. Plus, with Trump having a massive base of shitgibbons, he can waltz into office again.
Not like the Dems are gonna stop anyone...ever.
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Phyllis Goodman - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 08:28:11 EST ID:cB61Xg61 No.397070 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396799

Imagine taking Scott Adams seriously, possibly the only American with a more swollen ego than Donald Trump
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Albert Hangerbanks - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 05:48:55 EST ID:k6Ipx1Ly No.397097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397046
will the country survive?


The problem with the Democratic Party by Beatrice Sublingfet - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 19:10:31 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396801 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Where do I fucking begin...

Basically, in the 90s a bunch of Dems decided it would pay to go lite-right and they just fucking said, "We will just follow what the Repubs do, but just be SLIGHTLY to the left of that. Then we will get to enrich ourselves and other rich cunts, while pretending to be for the people."

This started to alienate a lot of people on the Left. Many just became Independents. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi and her ilk fiddled while the party base burned. Then Tea Party happened...

This bunch of chuklefucks managed to get shit tier far-right extremists into office. Sarah Palin became someone that was seen as a viable candidate for something besides Local Moose Catcher. The GOP lurched so far to the right, there was no way to stay slightly to the left of them. But, HRC and Pelosi did a duet on those fiddles and let shit burn.

Then came Trump and the GOP went alt-right. This started to alienate moderates and stalwarts in the party. A crippling blow! The GOP should be done for! And the Dems fiddled and refused to visit Wisconsin.

Now, they are a non-entity. Not even in competition with the Libertarians. Gary Johnson will be president before any Dem will. They are so far up their own asses the party is unsavable. They even tried to decimate Bernie, who could have brought them in a shit load of Leftists and INDEPENDENTS. But, fuck those guys, we got $5,000 a plate fundraisers to hold!
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Alice Honnerstodge - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 19:45:21 EST ID:aeTvB5lZ No.397021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397016
>VERY neoliberal
how so? they want to do away with all financial regulations? they want nothing to do with obamacare/social healthcare? they want to defund planned parenthood/the educational system/etc?

>all are...
how about actually showing us who these people are? telling us what city/town you're from is not disclosing personal information.

just kidding, that would be unreasonable.

in my town, all democrats are astute, highly educated and pragmatic deepthinkers who just want a better world achieved through democratic means and civil engagement.

meanwhile, all of our republicans are torch wielding klansmen who lynch at least 1,000 black people a week. also they hate jews and eat their babies at every chance.

Is your situation different? It could very well be. But, that just shows again how dysfunctional and all over the map the Rs can be. Because when everyone in the party doesn't have exactly the same thoughts/ideas, it's necessarily a sign of organizational dysfunction.
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Eliza Croddlenotch - Sat, 09 Sep 2017 20:38:23 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.397028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397021
>they want to do away with all financial regulations?
Clinton deregulation lead to the massive financial crisis we had a few years back...so yeah. They did and they did.

Also google Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and "payday lending."
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Henry Seffingspear - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 00:35:45 EST ID:GmdgEHro No.397034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>397024
If you look at the history of the Democrats and Republicans, their ideological makeup is constantly shifting. The infographic doesn't define the belief, using the left-right paradigm instead. I think the Democratic Party is neoliberal and center-right, not all of the individuals in it mind you, but I think that's because the graphic and I have different concepts of the spectrum.

Center-left would be people who support the current system, but want to reform it in certain ways to make it better for the general populace; or focus on social issues, but not so far as to blame the government or economic system at large as the root problem.

Mid-left would be people who oppose the system, but don't advocate revolution, and see reform as the only means. For example Social Democrats or the Green Party. Well, at least until those parties are corrupted and coopted, drifting to the right.

Far-left then, advocates revolution and alternative systems that promote equality and freedom, with plenty of disagreement about how and what.

Neoliberalism has been the modus operandi of just about every government these decades, be it coerced or pursued. Meaning deregulation, privatization (of schools and prisons for example), austerity (cutting social programs), and free trade deals (NAFTA and TPP). Through institutions like the World Trade Organization, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, G8 & G20, and shit like the American Legislative Exchange Council, these policies are pushed within the halls of power.
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Eliza Clashville - Sun, 10 Sep 2017 16:47:15 EST ID:/xEbt2bm No.397053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>397028
trump is trying to do away with various financial regulations as well. this makes him a neoliberal, right?
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William Fimbledure - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:27:34 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.397095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>397053
Exactly.
The root of the word refers to the actual, academic definition of liberal that's been used for centuries and is still used everywhere except conservative America that has twisted it to mean almost the opposite of its actual definition.


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THIS KNEE WAS ALWAYS BENT by Jack Bollystock - Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:33:34 EST ID:XqOr0TAj No.396625 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Kamala Harris accepts single payer.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/348651-kamala-harris-announces-she-will-co-sponsor-single-payer-health-insurance
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Jenny Lightstock - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 15:39:08 EST ID:LRcBRT+U No.396836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396834
>It isn't about the money, it's about the platform
The money informs the platform, goofus.

That's the whole point of giving money.
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Lillian Honeyson - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:30:04 EST ID:Z0rhel/1 No.396839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396834
>My point is that it's disingenuous for the author of this piece to insinuate a politician taking money from lobbyists somehow affects their electability.
Bringing up Hillary Clinton of all people is not the best way to get that point across.

>Also that it was dishonest for you to misrepresent the author's point
Directly quoting a sentence is not misrepresentation. The sentence, the paragraph in which it was contained, and the overall article as a whole are predicated on the idea that money informs policy. Hillary was visibly awash in corporate money and so had a corporate platform, and lost. Harris is visibly taking her first steps along that same path. The rest of that concluding paragraph was to reinforce that point, not to refute it. The intended message is the same whether I edit for space or not.

You didn't really think the point of the concluding paragraph was to refute the premise of the rest of the article, did you?
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Ernest Bomblehere - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 18:08:15 EST ID:qM9Zeovx No.396841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396839
>You didn't really think the point of the concluding paragraph was to refute the premise of the rest of the article, did you?
You're also bad when it comes to jumping to conclusions. I don't see how the last paragraph refutes the rest of the article. I mean, it's just an opinion piece, so the author is entitled to have poorly formed opinions anyway, just as you are.

All senators have accepted money from lobbyists. That's "the path" Harris is walking down, and it's a path every senator and president in our lifetime has walked down. I'd even go so far as to say all D's and R's who have run for senate have accepted money from lobbyists, but that's me going out on a limb & might be a recent thing. I do know that Loretta Sanchez has though.

So while every senator accepts lobbyist money, they don't all have the same platform. This is how a candidate can distinguish herself and defeat those running against her.
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Albert Turveyspear - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 21:19:25 EST ID:XqOr0TAj No.396951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396782
Harris' office argued against cutting minimum sentencing and early release of CA prisoners citing it would reduce the amount of firefighters they have. Because CA uses prison labor to fight its many forest fires. Being a public figure responsible for enslaving citizens via forced prison labor, Harris could've either denounced it or better yet taken direct action. But she did neither and instead helped maintain it which is most more than a tacit endorsement.
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Fuck Fanlock - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 22:02:16 EST ID:j17YTU6S No.396953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396841
Yes all politicians accept money to from lobbyists of various sorts and they still have different platforms. But the point we are trying to make is that the policies those lobbyists want are far more indicative what policies their politicians will enact than those politicians declared platforms.

Example is Barack Obama who endorsed and campaigned on a public option as a part of health care reform but actively organized against it once in office because health insurance companies where a major donors to his campaign.

Like I've said before, its far more important who these politicians owe their power to than what they actually say is their platform. Who they owe their power to is who they represent and who's will they will enact. If a politician owes their success to massive corporate donations they will represent and enact the will of those corporations.


“What a crowd, what a turnout” by David Crindlehadging - Tue, 29 Aug 2017 20:05:08 EST ID:XvL0kkZF No.396428 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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George Horringhadge - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:34:21 EST ID:BviTmPmk No.396915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396912
this. the only democrat still talking about hillary now is hillary. and the rest want her to shut the fuck up already to boot. no one, not even hardcore leftist outlets like salon, considers her a viable candidate.

that said, the right still talks about her plenty because holy shit, she was and is the only thing that ever made trump look even moderately decent. lol at trump supporters still shouting
>BUT HILLARY DOE
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Fanny Tillingfuck - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:39:05 EST ID:LRcBRT+U No.396916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>396912
Hillary will always inevitably be brought up in these conversations. This Russia media narrative started out in the wake of the leaked DNC emails that severely damaged Hillary's campaign. Hillary's campaign and media outlets friendly to her sustained the narrative and expanded it to include accusations of collusion on the part of Hillary's general election opponent. After Hillary's loss, the Russia narrative was used by her and media outlets friendly to her as an explanation for why she lost. Whatever else we may disagree on, it is inarguable that this issue is intrinsically, unavoidably tied to Hillary Clinton - specifically her loss in the 2016 election, with all of the feelings and unresolved grievances that come with that topic. For most outside the Beltway bubble, it smells like a cynical excuse for why Hillary lost, since at its core that's what it is.

This is just one more reason for why you guys should seriously reconsider this dedication to flogging the Russia horse. Every time the media hypes this up, voters are unconsciously reminded of Hillary's disastrous campaign. The topic is unavoidably mentally associated with the Democratic Party's worst moments, it reopens the rift between the party wings just a little bit more, and it reinforces widespread intensifying distrust in the largely anti-Trump media. And it inevitably, unavoidably reminds us of how much a loser Hillary is.
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Fanny Tillingfuck - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:40:20 EST ID:LRcBRT+U No.396917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396915
>hardcore leftist outlets like salon
lmao you goddamn moron
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William Chubblefot - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:55:48 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.396919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396916
>trying to tie the Trump campaign/Russia collusion into Hillary losing.

Oh come the hell on. It was never about making Hillary lose (her losing over being a lousy candidate and crappy campaign tactics has absolutely nothing to do with Russia), it was always about getting Trump in the White House.

I bet even if Bernie was the DNC candidate (who would've put up a much harder fight than Hillary and might've had a fighting chance to win unlike Hillary), things still could've been manipulated into Trump's favor, as the media gave Trump TOO MUCH airtime and TOO MUCH of a presence, thus granting him an easy win.
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Fanny Tillingfuck - Thu, 07 Sep 2017 17:20:19 EST ID:LRcBRT+U No.396922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396919
It doesn't matter what you think about it. The topic makes people think of the election, which makes people think of Hillary, which means she and her loss will inevitably be brought up the longer the issue is discussed. If you want to talk about this topic, then you must be prepared for people to bring up one of the key players. To expect otherwise is grossly unrealistic.


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