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Trump by Charles Billingstock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 03:45:15 EST ID:ZpYoYxAC No.386679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Has he already won the 2020 election?
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Rebecca Hezzlebet - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 04:06:26 EST ID:wZyy0G2a No.386680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You wouldn't be able to tell by what media covers. They make it seem like 90% of the country despises him...when in reality, he has quite a bit of support, and those who voted for him feel that hes actually delivering on what he said he would do.

Maybe it just doesn't seem like he doesn't have as many supporters because they tend to have jobs and stuff and can't attend political demonstrations nonstop.
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Clara Messletere - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 04:17:47 EST ID:Un9Hhykg No.386682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
4chin's /pol/tards will say yes, but the real answer is no. He barely won this election to begin with.
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Sophie Hankindick - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 04:23:25 EST ID:t4Ezfw0J No.386683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>386682
>Goverment against him
>Media agianst him
>entertainment mediums against him
>celebrities against him

So you gunna say that while the entire entertainment and media industry plus the government went against Trump but he only just hardly won? Right. When you face the world you need only pull your self up over the edge.

288
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Thomas Soddlestone - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 04:24:43 EST ID:d8Q7F8a7 No.386684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386682

He had a very convincing victory with electoral college votes, and if he kicks out illegals, forces voter id laws for every state, and doesn't tank the economy he will have a landslide victory. His biggest ally for this is the current bull market. He can stretch it for awhile.
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Sophie Hankindick - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 04:33:36 EST ID:t4Ezfw0J No.386687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386684
It would be an ever bigger vicotry if the west leaves, taking every liberal with them. Those small blue cities on the east will be red in no time.
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Sidney Fummletine - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 06:45:53 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.386698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386684
>He had a very convincing victory with electoral college votes, and if he kicks out illegals, forces voter id laws for every state.

He got about 23% of the vote where the biggest bloc were non-voters, at 45%. He also got far less votes then any Republican in history. However...

>and doesn't tank the economy he will have a landslide victory. His biggest ally for this is the current bull market. He can stretch it for awhile.

This is key. If somehow his crazy bullshit pumps up the economy, he'll win. Thats how it ALWAYS goes in America. Economy first.
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Sidney Fummletine - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 06:47:28 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.386699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386698
>He also got far less votes then any Republican in history.

Very dumb phrasing of mine here. I meant to say he's gotten less then the last Republican nominees in recent history.
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Cedric Pocklock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 09:12:45 EST ID:plw/iMcV No.386701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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He more or less won the last election on a fluke. And his more extreme actions have really sent the message that idealist democrats really should vote even when they're not 100% in love with a candidate.

Trump's best bets are to somehow manage to get that Bush 2 post 9/11 media support, where he's beyond question. This might seem like a challenge due to his hostile nature, but modern news has more or less built themselves on access so are likely to bend to his will than actually start being journalists. And his other best tactic is to go full on with voter suppression, which should be pretty easy with the voting rights act killed by the supreme court and a republican majority in the house and senate.

----------------------------------------------

The lesson left really has to learn, and it's a sucky one, is that compromise works. We don't have a nationalist in the whitehouse because they demanded ideological purity. They were willing to change their language and priorities to slowly, over decades, become part of the republican establishment.
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Hedda Climmlepeck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 09:15:40 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.386702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386701
>Trump's best bets are to somehow manage to get that Bush 2 post 9/11 media support, where he's beyond question.
He's already ignoring intelligence briefings and he's certainly the perfect figure to motivate jihadists. So there's that...
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 09:26:55 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386701

>And his more extreme actions have really sent the message that idealist democrats really should vote even when they're not 100% in love with a candidate.

>voting for someone just because you're more afraid of the bad cop

How has this abuse victim logic worked out so far? People do it every time, and they still get fucked in the ass. I don't wanna get fucked in the ass anymore, thank you. I'll vote for someone when they deserve it, and most of the people with a D next to their name are just corporate whores, same as the republicans.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 09:29:11 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386701

>The lesson left really has to learn, and it's a sucky one, is that compromise works.

The reason the republican party had to listen to the batshit nutjob tea partiers is because THEY DIDN'T COMPROMISE and made their party afraid of them. That's what people should be doing: letting politicians know that you aren't going to put up with their bullshit and fall for any of this fear-based horseshit. If they don't think we'll walk out on them because we're afraid of republicans, where's their incentive to not be shit? They're still getting our votes, taking the bribes, and pissing on our rights.
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Frederick Worthingham - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:38:02 EST ID:hYIARnkd No.386708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386702
you're deluded if you think they aren't already motivated to fuck every thing up, judging by the way things are going in europe. Pretty sure that area is about to go through another name change on the map.
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Cedric Pocklock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:41:27 EST ID:plw/iMcV No.386709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386704
The tea party has had no effect on the republican platform, they're still in favor of corporate welfare over a free market. They flared out completely.

Meanwhile we got a White House that trash a speech about holocaust remembrance cause it mentions Jews. Because white nationalists were willing to take babysteps in order to infiltrate the party.
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Matilda Murddock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:46:41 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.386710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386703
Exactly!
The best response to democrats not protecting the environment enough is to support the people who just removed the rule banning coal mines from dumping their waste into rivers.

While Obamacare helped some people afford insurance, it's not proper socialized medicine, so we should support Repeal Now, Replace When The Republicans Get Around To It.

Because the democrats didn't deescalate the conflicts in the ME enough, we ought to support the guys who want to "bomb the shit out of them" and send tens of thousands of troops to steal Iraqi oil. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FTHXgmzURM]

Because the democrats didn't decrease the deficit enough, we ought to support the guys who want to give the rich a tax break that will cost us trillions. [http://ctj.org/pdf/trumprevised0926.pdf]

The Polish government doesn't have a great record protecting Jews, I'm sure these Nazi fellows will be a huge improvement.


Not supporting the lesser of two evils is implicitly supporting the greater.
By all means, support socialist democrats over liberal democrats in primaries, but supporting neither in the general election just legitimizes republican rule.
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Hedda Climmlepeck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:49:53 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.386711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386708
Let me rephrase that, he's a motivator for Muslims with already somewhat radical attitudes to become jihadists and for whatever number of moderates there are left to take on those radical opinions.

And fuck you for bragging how European cities suffer the consequences of US Republican's foreign policy.
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Martin Bondernuck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:00:58 EST ID:nLFtf1bd No.386712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386711

Strong leaders who are anti-Muslim like Trump save western countries from terrorism/sharia law. Look at Poland. It just works. Weak countries with weak leaders like Germany get fucked. These people don't think like you, they are low-iq barbarians, who act on totally different impulses and have a different world view. Trump is a good thing when it comes to terrorism.
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Martin Bondernuck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:02:38 EST ID:nLFtf1bd No.386713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386710

Enjoy your loss in 2020 as you tell people they are pieces of shit for not voting for the devil
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Cedric Pocklock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:07:23 EST ID:plw/iMcV No.386714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386712
One of my best friends in high school was muslim, cool dude. His sister was valedictorian. Please stop talking about people you know nothing about.
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Martin Bondernuck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:09:46 EST ID:nLFtf1bd No.386715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386714

That's a secular muslim. Which is a cultural thing. Russia has a huge muslim population, but they are secular, so they don't get uppity, unlike western countries' relatively small muslim populations. Anyone who is religiously Islam will push sharia law through force or through votes.
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Jack Fapperpad - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:14:36 EST ID:tDv3fnGU No.386717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386710
so we need to enable the worst qualities of the democrats because the republicans are worse? nah, nah, that's stupid as hell man. what we need is to be EXTRA hard on democrats, they're the only ones who can accomplish anything in america at this point, we have to scold them constantly so they stop fucking up. the republicans might be a lost cause but I think it's still possible to fix the democrats. the level of harshness and scrutiny Trump is getting right now should be the norm for any president, and I hope it sets a precedent.

>>386712
trump sucks saudi arabia's balls like any politician. I doubt he actually cares about stopping terrorism.
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Cedric Pocklock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:16:31 EST ID:plw/iMcV No.386718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386715
>they don't get uppity
lol, omg go fuck yourself kid. There is no Muslim take over of Europe, it's a white nationalist talking point to gain support based off knee jerk reactions of dumb white people who aren't use to brown people being around.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:16:39 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386710

I didn't tell anyone to vote for Republicans, what the fuck? Goddamn, every single time with this garbage. Democrats are trash and saying so doesn't make me a Trump supporter. Am I talking to Nancy Pelosi? Are you fucking with me? Unbelievable.

Nobody is going to vote for you when you piss in their faces again and again, fuck them at every turn, outright obstruct the candidates people actually want, enact right-wing policies while pretending to be fighting for regular people, and then shame them when they realize how much of a fucking charlatan you are and rightly deny you their vote. They have to earn our votes. How much of a bitch do you have to be to keep taking this sort of treatment? Seriously, what do the democrats have to do before I'm allowed to stop voting for them? How many wars, how many dead bodies, how hard do they have to fuck me over in favor of their corporate daddies? Am I allowed to stop voting for democrats if the next D president decides, as is now his legal right thanks to Barack Obama, that he wants me dead with no due process?

Fuck you.
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Martin Bondernuck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:20:17 EST ID:nLFtf1bd No.386720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386718

Come back in 50 years.


>>386717

Most non-libs see the "harshness" as partisan crying. Even centrists are tired of it, and it plays into Trump's narrative of fake news and lying media.


>>386719

Great point. The democrats need to reject people like Hillary and start supporting Muslim PoC demi-queer genderbenders who recognize the White-Cis-Patriarchy for what it is.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:26:22 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386710

>Not supporting the lesser of two evils is implicitly supporting the greater.

Yeah no. I don't support evil, period, and if you do you're a fucking tool. I'm done settling for lesser evils. Do you realize how powerless you sound when you talk like this? You sound like a fucking slave trying to be on their best behavior so they don't get the switch. Stop being an obedient voter and be an adult. Don't just accept that you're going to be fucked. Deny anyone the right to fuck you. Are you Chuck Schumer's doormat?
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Cedric Pocklock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:26:52 EST ID:plw/iMcV No.386723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386719
That's a great strategy for keeping republicans in power. The only message that sends the democrats is that they aren't racist enough and that the poor like being robbed.

You can't demand radical change every 4 years from a party that doesn't even think of you as a member. You have to be a part of it and change it over time.

Republicans have gone from "internment camps for Muslims would be the worst thing we could possibly do" to "Japanese interment camps set an legal precedent for Muslim camps." Because of white nationalist infiltration not because they were so desperate to be supported by David Duke.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:31:03 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386720

That has nothing to do with anything I said. No need to inject your dumb SJW vs anti-SJW rhetoric when it isn't even relevant in the slightest.

>>386723

Again, what is their incentive to change if you keep voting for them? They've played you. They know they can do whatever the hell they want because the republicans will always be worse. They have to be worse and even more right-wing because that's their identity. You aren't going to change anything from within because they know they have your vote and that's all that matters. Are you going to ask nicely, while still voting for them, and while they're still taking corporate money and doing everything you voted for them to fight against?
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Cedric Pocklock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:33:48 EST ID:plw/iMcV No.386725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386724
Like I said it takes time. Not a hissy fit every four years when it's time to vote for president.
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Martin Bondernuck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:38:12 EST ID:nLFtf1bd No.386726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>386725

Ok Huma, we get it.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:39:20 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386725

>>386725

You still aren't answering my questions. How are you going to force them to change if not by withholding votes, their means to maintaining their position? How long have some of these fossils been in government? People still trying to change things from within while they're still taking corporate money and fucking everything up. Hasn't worked so far.

Also, I'm not talking about every four years. I'm saying we need to have higher standards every day of every year for what sort of government we're going to have and stop putting up with corruption and abuse. Period. Seems like a reasonable demand to me, that the government should be functional and serve the people. Hissy fit...talk about arrogance. Just be quiet and sit the fuck down and keep voting like you're told, don't throw a hissy fit. We want to keep dropping bombs. lol.
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Cedric Pocklock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:39:32 EST ID:plw/iMcV No.386728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386726
back to circlejerk.
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Cedric Pocklock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:43:14 EST ID:plw/iMcV No.386729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386727
What good does it do to put pressure on someone with no political power? It's not by showing them the only people who vote are the far right.
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Martin Bondernuck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:44:41 EST ID:nLFtf1bd No.386731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386729

There are more than two parties. And Bernie's backstabbing showed that even a progressive in the Democratic party will still sell you out. You need to take over the Greens or make your own party.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:45:49 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386729

So vote, but don't vote for republicans either. Vote for someone who's actually worth a shit, doesn't take corporate money and thus isn't beholden to the whims of those whose interests are directly opposed to yours and mine. Show them that there are votes out there and they aren't on the far right or the center right.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:48:52 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As for keeping the republicans in power...Christ, when we've got a democrat in power it's not like anything much changes. They bicker over relative nothings like gay marriage while the bombs keep dropping and people keep dying because they can't afford medicine. Remember when Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich were in cahoots trying to privatize social security? Thank god we have the democrats looking out for us. I hate being able to afford to live.
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Martin Bondernuck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:50:47 EST ID:nLFtf1bd No.386735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386733

Maybe those who can't afford their own bills should be left to die? You are basically using the guns of the government to steal from taxpayers, while trying to ban civilian's guns so we can't oppose them.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:52:02 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>386735

I giggled
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Matilda Murddock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:52:27 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.386737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386727
>How are you going to force them to change
By voting for more socialist candidates in the primaries.
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Basil Fuckingdock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:55:55 EST ID:PFtIyUDr No.386740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386737

And then turning around and voting for the repulsive stooge they throw at us anyway after the DNC goes out of their way to screw candidates that actually threaten corporate power and then shame for for not voting for them despite their blatant corruption?
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Martin Bondernuck - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:58:10 EST ID:nLFtf1bd No.386741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386737

I'll pose an honest question, do you really think anyone calling themselves socialist will stand a chance in America after this most recent election? This is pretty damning evidence that there is a passionate right wing voting base who goes out and votes. Bernie couldn't even beat Hillary, one of the worst candidates we've had in recent history.

How would your socialist candidate draw people to him/her/xir? Your only chance is getting the rust belt back, but if Trump doesn't tank the economy, and it continues on a bull run, you are not going to get a Dem in office till 2024/2028.
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Matilda Murddock - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 12:11:06 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.386743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386741
They don't have to use the label, just have policies that increase the economic and political power and freedom of the people against the interests of capital.
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Barnaby Dubberhone - Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:32:01 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.386761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386715
>Anyone who is religiously Christian will push sharia law through force or through votes.

Fix'd
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James Brandlestock - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 06:06:58 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.386820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386741
Bernie was thoroughly cheated out of the nomination by the DNC, and was projected to beat Trump if he'd been the nominee. The American public overwhelmingly support liberal policies; this "passionate far-right voting base" doesn't exist, its just people who voted for Trump. And people who voted for Trump generally did so out of desperation after the working class was completely abandoned by the Democrats; they don't actually like him or agree with much of what he says.

It's like giving people a choice between literally Satan and literally Hitler, and then calling the Hitler voters dedicated Nazis. The reality is that this is the perfect time for Jesus to come around, because that's who people would really rather vote for. Metaphorically speaking, I don't mean an actual Christian party.
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Emma Brumblefield - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:12:36 EST ID:rSCOCuPW No.386827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386820
>the working class was completely abandoned by the Democrats
The democrats campaigned on:
  1. union protections
  2. higher minimum wage
  3. infrastructure deal to create jobs
  4. access to job training & education
  5. child care plans
  6. maternity/paternity leave plans

this is just off the top of my head. how does anyone think the democratic party abandoned the working class? trump was voted in by bigots and rich guys, and thanks to gerrymandering, there are a lot more counties full of them.
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Edwin Blathershit - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:29:25 EST ID:hPajnL5f No.386829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Look guys I made a funny photoshop of a Trump tweet!
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Graham Mimmernere - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:29:52 EST ID:TFIQebSL No.386830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386827
The Dems went full identity politics. They dropped the working class in favour of them.

Anyway, the fact that you think Trump won because of bigots and rich guys just shows how hilariously out of touch you are. Look at his approval rating, if they won him the election why is the number so small? He means to build the wall, he tried to pass his travel ban, wouldn't all those terrible bigots be stoked to have a president like that?
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Edwin Drovinglick - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:53:45 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.386831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386827
>The democrats campaigned on:
It's just that not that many believed them because Hillary was a symbol of the financial elite. Whenever that was justified or not is history.
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Thomas Blatherway - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:57:02 EST ID:6n7JT3yI No.386832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386827

How long does it have to be screamed from the rooftops and made completely obvious by repeated betrayals before people stop evaluating politicians by what they SAY and start evaluating them by what they DO?

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/11/23/yes-democratic-party-did-abandon-working-class

>Trump was voted in by bigots and rich guys

Totally clueless. This is why Trump lost: people who are well off don't understand how people who aren't well off think. People voted for Trump because they're desperate for change, not more of the same shit. All the democrats have to offer is more of the same shit. Even after they've been totally devastated across the board they still have their heads up their ass and don't think they have to change anything and can keep accepting corporate money and fucking everyone over. You can find all of this out by just looking up who voted for Trump and why, it's all out there and much more informative than speculation.
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Thomas Blatherway - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:59:46 EST ID:6n7JT3yI No.386833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386832

Meant to say why Clinton lost, obviously.

nb
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Emma Brumblefield - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 11:00:18 EST ID:rSCOCuPW No.386834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386830
>The Dems went full identity politics. They dropped the working class in favour of them.
[citation needed]
...and that's not to mention that identity politics and workers' rights overlap, especially when it comes to upholding the 14th amendment.

>Look at his approval rating, if they won him the election why is the number so small?
his approval rating is currently at 42%. He got 45% of the popular vote. the people who voted for him are largely stoked.
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Lydia Chungerwore - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:03:46 EST ID:g6qk9RM1 No.386840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hillary lost because she didn't campaign enough. She just thought she could win just by having a message.

Don't throw in that conspiracy theory "identity politics" bullshit in my face as the reason. She could've won if she actually did campaign like...oh I don't know...Bill did back during his first bid for the presidency.
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Edwin Blathershit - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:40:49 EST ID:hPajnL5f No.386842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What with the election being this close, I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to say that one definitive thing lost Clinton the election, rather than a bunch of small things - Comey, the media's treatment of the private email server stuff, her campaigning, the Russians...
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Charles Brittingfedge - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:52:02 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.386846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386687

>Those small blue cities on the east will be red in no time.

Nah. They've known Trump his whole life an know he's a career con-man and failed businessman. Most East Coast city folks can't even get themselves to say the words "President Trump" without giggling to themselves or all out hysterically laughing.
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Nigel Bluddlehood - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:54:32 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.386847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386829
LOL!
8/10
Oh, Donny, why can't you just shut up?
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Charles Brittingfedge - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:58:57 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.386848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386709
>The tea party has had no effect on the republican platform, they're still in favor of corporate welfare over a free market. They flared out completely.

A large number of the people they helped get elected are still in Congress and in state governments all around the country.

To quote Jon Stewart:

>...controlling a culture is not the same as power. And that while we were all passing around really remarkably eviscerating videos of the Tea Party - that we had all made great fun of - [they were] sitting off a highway at a Friendly’s taking over a local school board.

the Tea Party pulled off a huge purge of the the establishment Republicans before they did anything else. If you were willing to work with Obama you were GONE and they showed up at those town halls to rant and rave about Obamacare for several months.

They may not have affected the national platform, but they were very successful on the local level.
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Charles Brittingfedge - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 14:02:57 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.386851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386719

Idealists are always so clueless.

Let me ask you, does it even really matter in your life who the President is? Does it really affect you> Because only somebody with the privilege to not really give a shit who the POTUS is can think in this fantastical way.

Keep wishing on a star.
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Thomas Blatherway - Mon, 06 Feb 2017 17:59:34 EST ID:6n7JT3yI No.386887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386851

Oh this is good. Yes, the politics of this country do affect me very much, being one of the broke fucks who actually has to feel the shit these assholes do. That's why it bugs the absolute fuck out of me when people expect me to continue to vote for people who have continually fucked me over. The democrats aren't on the side of the poor you fucking tool. And you shit on me for realizing it, calling it what it is, and refusing to put up with it? You want the poor to continue just being quiet and letting the democrats enact republican policies that destroy lives because you, in your infinite wisdom, know that we should just continue to allow things to deteriorate because THE REPUBLICANS ARE WORSE! Slave thinking.

You're clueless and you trying to act like I'm the one living in a fantasy land is a fucking joke.
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Clara Pullystat - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 14:17:45 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.386960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386887

Well one thing is for sure, you're also incredibly immature. Nice tantrum.

So, you're saying that when it comes to the poor, Democrats & Republicans are the same? You're aware of their opposite stances on the social safety net, assistance to the poor, Medicaid, job training, food stamps, welfare, taxation and unemployment insurance.

Your saying the Democrats and the Republicans are the same here? Or are you saying becuase your fantasy version doesn't exist, you can't vote for the one who is better than the other. You believe the Perfect MUST BE the enemy of the Good?

Next question: Why are you poor? Did you incur a lot of debt? Did you not get a secondary education or a technical training? Do you whine and cry like this at work so keep getting fired?
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Eliza Smallson - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 15:50:03 EST ID:1XEhuOol No.386977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386848
Tea party does not exist. I wish it did. The people were there.
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Clara Pullystat - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:02:19 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.386978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386977

They don't exist now as a movement, but they did. There's still a "Tea Party Caucus" in Congress with 4 Senators and 48 Congressmen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus
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Walter Bittingspear - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:23:41 EST ID:rSCOCuPW No.386979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386978
not to mention that a lot of what trump campaigned on was in line with the tea party movement. plus, cruz & rubio were both associated with the tea party. even if it's not "tea party" by name, a lot of their positions have been absorbed into the mainstream republican party, so there's little need for a "movement" anymore.
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Clara Pullystat - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:28:35 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.386980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386979

Yeah there was another caucus called the "Freedom Caucus" the spun off from them, because the Tea Party wasn't nutty enough for them.
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George Sonningdatch - Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:49:16 EST ID:Un9Hhykg No.386997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-fears-fraud-gop-eliminates-election-commission-45328264
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Esther Shakecocke - Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:06:03 EST ID:i02Mh9Uj No.387058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386980
Aren't they just constitutional libertarians? what's so bad about that? Statist prick.
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Lydia Gadgewater - Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:07:56 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387058

LOL that you believe that.

They're just phonies who pay lip service to that, but as Republicans it's just a smoke screen for corporatism.

Republican voters...LOL
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Priscilla Guffinghere - Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:30:25 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.387062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387058
Libertarians who are also against abortion, gay marriage, drugs, and military budget cuts.

I couldn't tell you precisely where they differ from mainstream republicans but they must in some way.
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Phoebe Hurrydock - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:04:47 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387062
Libertarians make me edge on authoritarian.
Clearly some people can't be allowed to regulate themselves.
"What do you mean I have to care about the environment/the customer's safety!? This is capitalism! It's their free-choice to do business with me even if they don't know whether or not I'm safe! Regulations are oppression!"
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Reuben Crenkinchack - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:17:51 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387285
They also believe that anti-monopoly laws actually cause monopolies and that removing all of them would completely eliminate monopolies and price fixing.

Because none of that stuff ever happened until that darned Antitrust Act passed!
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Phyllis Goodman - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:19:24 EST ID:Ya8XWC/o No.387294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387058
>using 'statist' as an insult

nigga, we already tried a minimal central government, under the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution was written expressly to strengthen the federal government. It was opposed (by anti-Federalists like Jefferson) largely on the grounds that Congress and the executive branch were too powerful.
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Reuben Crenkinchack - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:54:14 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Now THIS is what I call diplomacy!
https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/10155041198446800/
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Fuck Buzzshaw - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:28:22 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387347 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387326
Oh and apparently this was after Trump spent an entire press conference pretending to know Japanese and refusing to wear a translation headset
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Edward Choblingkidging - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:06:47 EST ID:T43ZgZvA No.387348 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387347
I don't know if this is remotely true (will check later) but the fact is that it sounds completely plausible right off the bat.
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Fuck Buzzshaw - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:48:47 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387348
The saga continues: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/318959-trump-compliments-japanese-leader-for-his-strong-hands
>Trump compliments Japanese leader for his 'strong hands'
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Barnaby Gooddale - Mon, 13 Feb 2017 23:54:53 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386679
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-resignation-of-michael-flynn/516579/?utm_source=atlfb
>Michael Flynn has resigned as national security adviser following reports that he misled senior Trump administration officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, about the nature of talks he held with the Russian ambassador in December before he took office.

>Flynn submitted his resignation in a letter Monday evening in which he acknowledged having “inadvertently briefed the vice president-elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian ambassador.” He said he had apologized both to Pence and President Trump and that they had accepted his apology. But amid a firestorm of criticism from Republicans and Democrats, as well as questions about whether he may have broken the law, Flynn quit anyway. “I am tendering my resignation,” he wrote, “honored to have served our nation and the American people in such a distinguished way.”

>Keith Kellogg, who like Flynn is a retired general, will serve as acting national security adviser, Trump announced in a statement shortly after 11 p.m. Eastern. He had led the defense team during the Trump transition. David Petraeus, the retired general and former CIA director who pleaded guilty to sharing classified information with his biographer and lover, is reportedly a candidate for the permanent position.

>Coming less than a month into Trump’s presidency, Flynn’s departure is the latest and most glaring sign of upheaval for a White House riven by drama and staff infighting. It followed multiple published reports on Monday night that officials at the Justice Department had warned the White House that Flynn had misled Pence by denying that he had discussed the possible relaxation of sanctions against Russia once Trump took office. Earlier in the day, Trump officials had sent mixed signals about his standing. Kellyanne Conway, who serves as counselor to the president, said on MSNBC that Flynn retained Trump’s full confidence. An hour later, press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters that the White House was reviewing Flynn’s situation. A few hours after that, he was gone.
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Sidney Senderpidging - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 01:47:37 EST ID:reMs3Ms1 No.387608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387605
Jesus fucking christ. Flynn was a high level, very public appointee. It's been less than a month.

I didn't think Trump would run the administration like he ran the campaign.
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Edward Wuddlelet - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 01:59:43 EST ID:Z7Na6ELH No.387609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387608
>I didn't think Trump would run the administration like he ran the campaign.

Based on what?
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 02:09:00 EST ID:g4ld2Uxs No.387610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387605
Trumptards are blaming the intelligence agencies now claiming they're conspiring against his administration. Ignoring the fact that Flynn committed some serious felonies. What the fuck was he even doing taking calls from the Russian ambassador?

He also deflected any personal responsibility whatsoever in his resignation letter. Obviously deeply butthurt that his god-king didn't defend him.
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Cyril Crennerferk - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:09:17 EST ID:HpJPm84P No.387623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387605
did flynn do anything wrong by talking to the russian ambassador? is discussing the possible relaxation of sanctions against Russia or lying to the VP really enough to warrant this response? i feel like other people on his cabinet have been involved in "worse" controversies. i mean, i thought trump wanted mavericks on his team.

this feels like a red herring for something else.
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Edward Blythestone - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:27:08 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.387625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387623
>did flynn do anything wrong by talking to the russian ambassador? is discussing the possible relaxation of sanctions against Russia or lying to the VP really enough to warrant this response?
Yes.
If he exchanges relaxing sanctions for helping put him in power, that's treason.
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Cyril Crennerferk - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:30:12 EST ID:HpJPm84P No.387628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387625
you mean flynn brokering a deal with the russians for them to help trump win the election in exchange for easing sanctions on russia? spicy!
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Augustus Soggleway - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:42:19 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.387630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387623
>okay so he broke some rules, is it really that big a deal?
jesus christ dude, at worst it's treason. yes, it's bad

>this feels like a red herring for something else.
this feels like distraction/distortion/deflection.
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Cyril Crennerferk - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:52:44 EST ID:HpJPm84P No.387631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387630
OK, what rules were broken? i'm obviously not so familiar with the rules, and that type of clarification is literally what I was asking for...
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Shit Sunderpin - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:41:01 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387623
>this feels like a red herring for something else.

It will if you're part of the whole "Russia never did anything wrong" crowd. This makes a critical hit to that thinking.

Despite all the legal issues of possibly committing treason, he lied to the VP. Advisers have to be not only honest but BRUTALLY honest to be of any use.

Obama fired him for being piece-of-shit, now he has to retire from another White House for the same.

This is what, the 3rd Trump Administration official to go down because of shady Russia ties? Not even talking about the intelligence reports of Russia supplying Wikileaks with the DNC leaks.

And there's that British Agents Russia claims with Trump, and the rumors Trump won't release his tax returns because of loans from Russian banks and oligarchs. He also lied about ever meeting Putin.

One by one the Trump Administration will fall.
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Shit Sunderpin - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:50:43 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387631

This will be an investigation and they'll find out if he broke and laws. The possibility is that there was collusion with the Russian and the Trump Campaign in regards to the hacks is probably #1. The phone calls were taped, which is how he was caught, but Flynn has spent a lot of time on RT and there are photos of him sitting next to Putin at a dinner.

What were they talking about? He also lied about it to Pence and changed his story. What's he covering up? The Justice department warned the White House a month ago that Flynn is susceptible to Russian bribery - why? What did he do?

With Republicans in charge of the Congressional Committees they'll do their best to not spend much time on it and protect Trump. They'd rather do another 10 months on Benghazi then bring Flynn before them.

If Trump knew or even set Flynn on this task he could himself be in violation of the Logan Act.

This story has legs, and it's going to get followed hard. Putin must be so pissed he lost one of his main inside guys.
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Fuck Nickleridge - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:04:54 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.387636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387635
According to the Daily Beast, he was their MAIN guy, and this has thrown their plans into chaos.

Funny statements coming out of Duma members about it. They sound like Trumptards.
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Barnaby Gooddale - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:17:47 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387605
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/14/russian-spy-ship-off-east-coast-us-officials-say.html
>Breaking News: Russian spy ship capable of intercepting communications is patrolling off the East Coast of the U.S. right now, for the first time since President Donald J. Trump took office, two U.S. officials tell Fox News.
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Shit Sunderpin - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:37:19 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387636

Chaffetz is already signaling the House Oversight Committee won't investigate this.

>"It’s taking care of itself," Chaffetz told reporters Tuesday, according to Politico’s Kyle Cheney, adding that further investigation would be up to the House Intelligence Committee.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/14/14609850/gop-investigators-wont-investigate-michael-flynn

Hypocritical motherfuckers.

First the Trump team is using it's own email - Hillary email crybabbys silent.

Then Trump has a botched raid in Yemen that gains nothing, gets a SEAL killed, kills a bunch of civilians and an 8-year old American girl - silence from the Benghazi freak out brigade.

Now Flynn goes down for side dealings with a foreign government, lies about it and Trump KNEW - buh, buh "LOCK HER UP!!"

This shit is pathetic. Willing to bet Trump supporters don't give a shit because "butthurt, hurr."

Can't wait until we finally find out what Russia has on Trump.
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Thomas Fobberway - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:39:31 EST ID:JuEzEB12 No.387639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387638

Just like when people on the American "left" were deathly silent about Obama's body count and continued erosion of civil liberties and 7 undeclared wars
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Beatrice Sibblekod - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:47:32 EST ID:fWdeSrFO No.387641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387635

This shit is getting fucking ridiculous. I mean we were warned about Trump's possible Russia-ties but this is beginning to go beyond mere tinfoil territory.

My question is whether people within the non-elected American state, i.e. intelligence agencies and military branches, will stand for this. GOP sure doesn't care so far it seems.

>>387638

>This shit is pathetic. Willing to bet Trump supporters don't give a shit because "butthurt, hurr."

Trump is doing the same thing as Putin; feed the suspicion and distrust towards established informational outlets and old authority and play the tough man in the centre of the storm of uncertainty.

It was an effective strategy in Russia, and we're seeing people doing it here in Europe as well.
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William Fubbledidge - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:49:55 EST ID:tDv3fnGU No.387642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387639
if your team is in power you look the other way. it's been that way for some time now. shit fucking sucks.
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Thomas Fobberway - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:53:08 EST ID:JuEzEB12 No.387644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387642

Yup

And the best part is, when "your team" is winning, they fuck you too!
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Shit Sunderpin - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:03:15 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387639

False equivalency. Nobody is talking about the "left" we're talking about the Congressional House Oversight Committee, which was in the same hands (Republicans) as it is now.

Did they go after him for this, "...body count, continued erosion of civil liberties and 7 undeclared war?"

No, they were too bust spending Million$ and months on Benghazi/Emails and the bullshit I was talking about. And it was all political bullshit, which is coming MORE and MORE apparent as "the Right" ignores an Administration that is a fucking mess and has just as many "failures" it hasn't been a month.
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Cyril Crennerferk - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:03:29 EST ID:HpJPm84P No.387647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387639
not sure where this claim comes from. the ACLU was all over it and mostly because of their pressure, the Obama administration released some documentation of "the playbook".

there was also a protest in front of the white house about drones.
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Shit Sunderpin - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:12:47 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387641

>My question is whether people within the non-elected American state, i.e. intelligence agencies and military branches, will stand for this. GOP sure doesn't care so far it seems.

It appears it's the Intelligence Community that's leaking like a sieve. Trump picked his enemies as bad as he picked his friends. They were legit worried about briefing Flynn on anything worrying that he'd give it to Russia. Before this went down, a few days ago they went to Pelosi and had her float removing his clearance.

>It was an effective strategy in Russia, and we're seeing people doing it here in Europe as well.

Yep. The Judges and the media are the first to go. Trump on course.
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Shit Sunderpin - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:15:02 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387647

Not to mention Manning, Snowden and Glenn Greenwald going hysterical every week.
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Augustus Soggleway - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:10:43 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.387656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387648
lol that pic.

>oh god the bear is mauling those people!
>SSSHHHHH. QUIET.
>our best bet is to do nothing and let it maul people!
>it'll eventually get full and stop. hopefully forever.
>and if it gets hungry again, well there's still like 3 dudes between me and the bear.
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Beatrice Sibblekod - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:22:39 EST ID:fWdeSrFO No.387657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387648

>It appears it's the Intelligence Community that's leaking like a sieve.

Yeah that's what I think too. With information about Trump admins colluding with Russia, why wouldn't they be 'disloyal'.

>Yep. The Judges and the media are the first to go. Trump on course.

Exactly. Didn't Trump just talk about how the judiciary being non-elect and "below" the president of the US, and thus should STFU?

Fucking hell, one of the basic foundations of a real democracy is an independent judiciary. If they say an executive order is against the constitution, IT'S NOT UP FOR POPULAR DEBATE.
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Shit Sunderpin - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:59:20 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387657
>Yeah that's what I think too. With information about Trump admins colluding with Russia, why wouldn't they be 'disloyal'.

He also shit on them when they put out the initial report that Russia was behind the DNC hack and Wikileaks source.

He said they're shit because of 9/11, Benghazi, ISIS. He compared them to "Nazi Germany" and gave a political speech on his phony bullshit about his inauguration while standing in front of their war memorial in their HQ.

They hate him. FBI is totally with him though.
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Eliza Dupperhere - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:37:33 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387659
Yeah, it looks like the intel agencies all fucking loathe Trump. Maybe as much as he seems to loathe them.

The big problem is that the FBI and HLS are both 110% Team Trump. Same with the GOP dominated House and SOME of the Senate.

What will get scary is when Trump starts calling election results illegitimate and starts to ignore the results. This could happen very soon, as North Carolina and I think one other state, will have to have special elections this year due to a gerrymandering lawsuit they lost.

We could literally see the FBI and HLS "secure the polls," and basically make it impossible for Non-Trumpkins to vote.

And the GOP will just jerk off like they have been...
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Phyllis Fablingdock - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:14:08 EST ID:JuEzEB12 No.387668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387647

Most people aren't the ACLU because most people don't give a fuck as long as the person on TV is saying the things they want to hear. And wow, Obama threw them a bone and kept on doing all the heinous shit he did. Yippee.

>there was a protest

A protest or two doesn't outweigh the deafening silence by just about everybody else
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Charles Bonderlut - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:35:51 EST ID:reMs3Ms1 No.387670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387662
FYI it's DHS not HLS
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Beatrice Dozzlewell - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:21:23 EST ID:slKlGKxR No.387678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387668
there were protests. people weren't "deathly silent". get over it, dude, you're wrong.
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Phyllis Fablingdock - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:30:11 EST ID:JuEzEB12 No.387680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387678

>There were protests

Yeah there are always protests because everything is always fucking horrible. Most people don't protest and wouldn't even know all the ways they've been fucked. Your average liberal during the Obama presidency thought things were just fine because "their guy" was in office.
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Eliza Creshnack - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:50:12 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387670
D'oh!
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:51:17 EST ID:g4ld2Uxs No.387684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well this should make your skin crawl a bit.
https://nyti.ms/2lhzcxv
>Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence
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Cedric Hungerdig - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:52:57 EST ID:IBDyFAY5 No.387685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387668
Oh please. There were tons of people outraged over it, especially here.

Yeah the corporate media (even Fox) and shithead establishment Dems and those who tow the party line were silent, but they're not the fucking left! Centrists at best.

Shit, the Left were damn near the ONLY ones criticizing that stuff. Them and the Libertarians.

Donald Trump and the Republicans sure as shit weren't criticizing his foreign policy. In fact, they were mad because he didn't go far enough! These fucks would talk about how he "gutted" the military. Spending more on "defense" than the next 8 top military spenders COMBINED, but they'd say he cut too much!

No one who supports Trump has any right to talk about Obamas drone wars. In fact, considering Trump's botched Yemen raid, I don't think they're in much of a position to talk about Benghazi either.
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Molly Foblingchitch - Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:54:42 EST ID:VLZSAHSu No.387686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387680 Yet plenty could think critically and knew things were still fucked and getting worse.
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Shit Sucklechog - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 00:20:43 EST ID:8M5/jUvE No.387687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387680
actually liberals were quite dissappointed in Obama. He was heavily criticized for expanding drone strikes across the middle east. Extending tax cuts for the rich indefinitely where after Bush couldn't even pull that off. So yeah Liberals were willing to defend Obama from attacks like "he's taking our GUNS!!!!" but No liberals were not ignorantly ignoring the glaring problems with Obama.
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Shitting Clingertatch - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 00:59:29 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.387688 Report Quick Reply
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>>387684


This is old news. Anyone who hasn't been brainwashed by right-wing propaganda knows Trump is Putin's little boy. The real question is; what will come of it?

Republicans won't investigate Trump. They would lose so much face that it could end up fracturing the party further as well as critically damage their chances of getting re-elected to congressional and senatorial offices. They will also block any attempt by Democrats to call for an investigation. Serious pressure must be put on the Republicans by their own constituents threatening to vote them out or otherwise voicing their..."displeasure". That again isn't likely because most of their constituents take trash tier "news" sources like FOX as Gospel truth and good luck looking to FOX to report on all of this honestly.
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Nathaniel Nettingfuck - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:31:38 EST ID:uyq3+NND No.387691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387688
Anyone who hasn't been brainwashed by left wing propaganda can see that you're wrong.

Sean Spicer (White House Press Secretary and Communications Director for Donald Trump) clearly states that sanctions against Russia will hold until Crimea is given back to Ukraine.
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Shitting Fiffingkare - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:43:13 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://abcn.ws/2l6zPrv
>Trump associates communicated with suspected Russian intel officers: sources

>U.S. authorities were concerned with and probing communications between associates of President Donald Trump and suspected Russian intelligence officials in the leadup to the 2016 presidential election, sources familiar with the matter confirm to ABC News.
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Shitting Fiffingkare - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 07:25:14 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387692
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html
>Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials. American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election. The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation. But the intercepts alarmed American intelligence and law enforcement agencies, in part because of the amount of contact that was occurring while Mr. Trump was speaking glowingly about the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin.

>The officials said the intercepted communications were not limited to Trump campaign officials, and included other associates of Mr. Trump. On the Russian side, the contacts also included members of the government outside of the intelligence services, they said. All of the current and former officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the continuing investigation is classified.

>The officials said that one of the advisers picked up on the calls was Paul Manafort, who was Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman for several months last year and had worked as a political consultant in Ukraine. The officials declined to identify the other Trump associates on the calls. A report from American intelligence agencies that was made public in January concluded that the Russian government had intervened in the election in part to help Mr. Trump, but did not address whether any members of the Trump campaign had participated in the effort. The intercepted calls are different from the wiretapped conversations last year between Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, and Sergey I. Kislyak, Russia’s ambassador to the United States. In those calls, which led to Mr. Flynn’s resignation on Monday night, the two men discussed sanctions that the Obama administration imposed on Russia in December.

>Two days after the election in November, Sergei A. Ryabkov, the deputy Russian foreign minister, said “there were contacts” during the campaign between Russian officials and Mr. Trump’s team. “Obviously, we know most of the people from his entourage,” Mr. Ryabkov told Russia’s Interfax news agency.

>The agency’s investigation of Mr. Manafort began last spring as an outgrowth of a criminal investigation into his work for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine and for the country’s former president, Viktor F. Yanukovych. It has focused on why he was in such close contact with Russian and Ukrainian intelligence officials. The bureau did not have enough evidence to obtain a warrant for a wiretap of Mr. Manafort’s communications, but it had the N.S.A. scrutinize the communications of Ukrainian officials he had met.
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Shitting Fiffingkare - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 09:09:14 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.387696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387693
CNN also reporting that senior Trump campaign officials were in "constant contact with Russians"
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Ernest Drinkinham - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:47:25 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rand Paul shows he's another giant fucking phony. Says Flynn shouldn't be investigated because he's a Republican and they had Republican stuff to force through on the country.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/14/rand-paul-says-investigating-flynn-would-be-excessive-and-makes-no-sense/

> On the "Kilmeade and Friends" radio show, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky) told the hosts that launching an investigation into former White House security adviser Michael Flynn would be a waste of time.

> "I think that might be excessive," said Paul. "It looks like the President has handled the situation, and unless there's some kind of other evidence of malfeasance, this sounds like something that was internal White House politics and it looks like the President's handled it."

>Paul, however, believes that such an investigation would get in the way of the GOP accomplishing greater things.

> "I just don't think it's useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party. We'll never even get started with doing the things we need to do, like repealing Obamacare, if we're spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense," he continued.

But hey lets waste tons of time and money on bullshit Hillary investigations when she's not 1/3 as corrupt as this Administration. Flynn's probably gonna end up in jail, and they're floating Petraus as a replacement? WTF??

Trump knew for a month, lied about it to the media hoping nobody would find out that Flynn is a Russian agent and they were GOING TO LEAVE HIM THERE? Even kept Pence in the dark... Pence looks like a fool.

No way this Administration makes it 4 years. If Republicans in Congress are more interested in their own power than the country they will go down with the ship. Good riddance.
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Sidney Hesslewell - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:01:32 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.387708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387707
The Pauls have ALWAYS been all show no go. Ron Paul was often cited as one of the most corrupt members of the house through his nonstop double billing.

Never mind he was one of the master of putting funding riders for his district on sure thing bills then voting agenst them to claim he was fighting pork.
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Ernest Drinkinham - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:18:16 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dems finally get a Trump appointee scalp. Looks some Republicans helped, but most likely Pudzer was feeling the heet from a Carl's Jr. et. al Boycott that was brewing.

Not to mention somebody dug up a 1990 interview on Oprah of his wife claiming domestic abuse.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/puzder-expected-to-withdraw-from-labor-secretary-nomination/

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319717-trumps-labor-nominee-to-withdraw-reports
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Eliza Creshnack - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:40:34 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387707
Rand Paul is a treasonous bastard.

Hang him.
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Ernest Drinkinham - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:55:08 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387716

He's just a phony, not a traitor. You're mistaking him for Trump.
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Charlotte Blangerstone - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:37:42 EST ID:Z8Vb8DXE No.387721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387708
what's double billing
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Phyllis Fablingdock - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:52:11 EST ID:JuEzEB12 No.387724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387713

Why is there always some heinous shit with these people

I feel like the ratio of politicians who beat their wives is way higher than the ratio of normal people who beat their wives compared to those who don't

Almost like they're sociopathic freaks!
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Alice Clipperbutch - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:00:32 EST ID:wHwlCrNC No.387725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387713
And he's out. Surprised the shit outta me, I thought he'd sail right through.
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Ernest Drinkinham - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:07:41 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387724

The craziest are the virulent anti-gay Republicans who get caught texting boys or trying to get blowjobs in airport bathrooms. Then they appear on TV with their wives for interviews like "I'm not gay. Never have been."
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Alice Clipperbutch - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:57:27 EST ID:wHwlCrNC No.387732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387725
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/319766-sen-collins-to-vote-against-trumps-epa-pick
Oh wow, now Republican senator Susan Collins has come out against Trump's nominee for EPA head Scott Pruitt

This is where it becomes obvious that DeVos bought her confirmation.
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 18:40:11 EST ID:TLKEQYNG No.387736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The average Mexican is smarter than Donald Trump.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/15/border-patrol-discovers-drug-catapult-attached-to-mexican-side-az-fence.html
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Isabella Snodfuck - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:53:51 EST ID:3LkUNfDk No.387737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387724

>I feel like the ratio of politicians who beat their wives is way higher than the ratio of normal people who beat their wives compared to those who don't

It's probably less. Domestic abuse is frighteningly common. ~1/4 people in the US have been subject to some kind of physical abuse in a relationship at least once.

Just remember - the world we live in is super fucked up.
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Charles Surringhood - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:10:39 EST ID:JuEzEB12 No.387738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387737

I didn't know that. Good lord
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Edward Demmerkock - Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 EST ID:z61/dbfp No.387739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387738
keep in mind that, for instance, grabbing your gf/wife's arm or throwing an object at a wall or something during an argument would still count as physical abuse. even yelling too much can constitute domestic abuse.
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Graham Daffingway - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:08:18 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387737
Bunch of power mad sociopaths going apeshit on their wives is unexpected?
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Cedric Sittingson - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 04:06:53 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.387749 Report Quick Reply
>>387732

As a result, the GOP is slated to shitcan the EPA. Can't control it? Get rid of it.
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Graham Hupperfield - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:12:41 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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27 days in, Trump's at 40% and a complete mess.

I actually hope the GOP tries to kill Obamacare, only to see the Trump Regrets EXPLODE! Yeah it will suck for all those Rust Belt obese white folks who need their opioids and diabetes medicine just to make it through, but the GOP will get wiped out in the mid-terms.

And fuck if I care. I got mine.

Is there really any way for people to stop voting for Republicans then to feel the pain of their bad ideas? Bring the pain.
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John Cegglehon - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:20:31 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387773
We've been feeling the pain of Obama's countless bad ideas for 8 years now. Thankfully the USA has been doing incredibly well despite having a horrible ruler, though. He tried to fuck a lot of people, yet they withstood.

I've never met anyone who likes Obamacare. Even the Democrats I know are outraged about either paying fees for not having insurance or they get insurance and not only is it more expensive than years prior but it's also less comprehensive and less customizable.

Every doctor I know (I know a tonnnnn of doctors due to my countless medical conditions) despises Obamacare.
Long story short, Obamacare forces doctors to not only treat every single patient the same, with a one-size-fits-all approach to every different illness, and apparently some firms are now losing money distributing certain essential items like flu shots.

I mean, the idea was a disaster. Not only was it a disaster, it was a waste of money. With the money Obama wasted setting up Obamacare, which helped like 10,000 people and fucked over millions, he could have just given that money to every fucking person in need and they'd never have to worry about medical bills again. Great job, Barry, you fucking Nazi pig.
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Graham Hupperfield - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:36:25 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387775

We've been feeling the pain of Obama's countless bad ideas for 8 years now.

Who is "we" because every metric shows that the country improved grealty from the Bush Era, from employment to the stock market. If you felt pain under Obama, you're gonna get CRUSHED under Trump.

>I've never met anyone who likes Obamacare. Even the Democrats I know are outraged about either paying fees for not having insurance or they get insurance and not only is it more expensive than years prior but it's also less comprehensive and less customizable.

Not sure where you live, but Obamacare is not only popular but has seen a rise in enrollment. My guess is you're lying or parroting some Right Wing talking point bullshit. Example:

>it's also less comprehensive and less customizable.

What does that even mean? Before the ACA insurance wasn't "customizable" and NEVER "comprehensive."

There's a reason the GOP is now completely balking at repealing it. IT's all fun and games when it's just talk, but now they're going to take peoples insurance away, it's going to be a critical hit on them. Half of Trump voters didn't know that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing.

>Every doctor I know (I know a tonnnnn of doctors due to my countless medical conditions) despises Obamacare.

More bullshit lies. Several of my family members are Doctors and they don't care because like consumers they fucking HATE insurance companies. Obamacare gets them paid more than it used to, because people have to have insurance.

>Long story short, Obamacare forces doctors to not only treat every single patient the same, with a one-size-fits-all approach to every different illness, and apparently some firms are now losing money distributing certain essential items like flu shots.

False. You do know that Obamacare isn't a product right? It seems you are clueless to this most basic fact. I have "Obamacare" myself, which is to say I bought a plan from Blue Cross/Blue Shield using healthcare.gov to shop. I did it because it's saved me $100/month from my Employer's plan and it was essentially the same.

What's next you gonna start talking about "death panels?"

>I mean, the idea was a disaster.

You're like a bot. It was insurance reform, and it's been popular and successful.

> it was a waste of money.

How so? The reason republicans are going to have trouble repealing it is because quite the opposite.

> With the money Obama wasted setting up Obamacare, which helped like 10,000 people and fucked over millions, he could have just given that money to every fucking person in need and they'd never have to worry about medical bills again. Great job, Barry, you fucking Nazi pig.

Well, I was getting the idea you're weren't very bright and you nailed it for me right there.

Like I said - let the GOP repeal it, I hope they do it will take them down HARD. There's a reason Republican town halls are filled with people most concerned about the ACA repeal. Sure Republicans say they're "paid protesters" which fills me with more glee, because they're whistling past the graveyard.
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Ernest Suvingtot - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:49:32 EST ID:VqGtqGtM No.387777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387775
what pain are you feeling? violent crime & unemployment rates are at 8 year lows. job openings are at 15 year highs. more people than ever have health insurance. buying power & corporate earnings both went up, we're less reliant on foreign oil, undocumented immigrant population is down. under Obama, fewer people were added to the food stamp program and people are leaving the program at a higher pace when compared to Bush.

I have a great job, more money in my pocket and I was able to buy a home in a neighborhood that was the ghetto 10 years ago, but is a nice place to raise a family now.

>With the money Obama wasted setting up Obamacare, which helped like 10,000 people and fucked over millions, he could have just given that money to every fucking person in need and they'd never have to worry about medical bills again.
LOL. How much do you think Obamacare cost to date? How much do you think medical bills cost? I can tell you more than 10k americans needed Obamacare.
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Martha Greenlock - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:18:51 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.387778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387773
>Is there really any way for people to stop voting for Republicans then to feel the pain of their bad ideas? Bring the pain.
You overestimate how well-informed republicans are.
If they were at all capable of understanding and voting in their own interests, they wouldn't be republicans.

Republican representatives have done everything in their power to make Obamacare a disaster in their states.
Mine refused federally-funded medicaid expansion, and became more popular for it, as his constituency could see he was fighting Obamacare.
If literally one single republican senator was willing to vote for healthcare when the ACA was being formed, the democrats wouldn't have had to push an unfinished bill to the president when they lost their voting bloc mid-congress.
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Charles Surringhood - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:19:21 EST ID:JuEzEB12 No.387780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387775

>has a plethora of medical conditions (assuming he isn't lying, yet again, like he does so hilariously often)
>would be bankrupt or dead if he couldn't afford health insurance
>doesn't realize the importance of making sure people are insured
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Charles Surringhood - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:25:08 EST ID:JuEzEB12 No.387781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387777

>corporate earnings went up

I like how this is always touted as some boon to the American people when working people aren't the ones benefiting

It's like how the stock market is always on the news like it matters to most people earning a paycheck when the fucking NASDAQ is up

Thanks for reminding me that the obscenely rich are getting richer while people are dying because they can't afford health insurance

Not directed at you in particular, just musing
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John Cegglehon - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:44:47 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387777
>Violent crime & unemployment rates are at an 8 year low.
LOL.
Factually, we've hardly moved at all in terms of crime. It's been slowly getting better, though, not that Obama had anything to do with that.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

So, I take it you don't know what 'unemployed' means.
Unemployed people are people looking for work. Under Obama, a significant amount of people stopped looking for work. But it's not because they found it.
Ever heard of the Labor Participation Rate? It's important. You should learn about it.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
Fun fact; labor rates haven't been this low since the late 1970's.
Put this into perspective. Labor dropped by 1% during the Great Recession. Yet during the Obama administration, labor dropped 4%. Four times as many people ceased working entirely under Obama as under Bush.

>Buying power/oi reliance/undocumented immigrants/food stamps
Oh wow, wouldn't you know it, the economy rose after a recession. Who'd expect that? Oh I don't know, literally anyone who's picked up a Macro Econ book.
As for oil, that's kind of just been steadily decreasing since Bush.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrimus1&f=a
As for the illegals, good, get them out.
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21595892-barack-obama-has-presided-over-one-largest-peacetime-outflows-people-americas
Yet Obama tells them to vote...
http://www.dailywire.com/news/10546/did-obama-encourage-illegal-immigrants-vote-james-barrett#exit-modal
>Food stamp enrollment went down
Yet food stamp value went up significantly.
http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly-Benefit.jpg
But food stamps is a whole nother beast.

>I have a great job, more money in my pocket and I was able to buy a home in a neighborhood that was the ghetto 10 years ago, but is a nice place to raise a family now.
Good. Now thank capitalism, thank Bush, and thank Gentrification and the beauty of kicking poor people out of their homes to improve the area. I can see you're very happy with the things they've accomplished.

How much did Obamacare cost?
http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare/
1.7 trillion.
Hmmmm now how much money would that be if we simply gave that 1.7 trillion to lets say like 10 million Americans who could really use it.
Oh that's just $170,000 for each of them.

Bro Obamacare was a failure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_marketplace#Primary_concerns
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/opinion/atlas-obamacare-poor-middle-class/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemoore/2015/06/12/the-fantasy-that-obamacare-is-working/#664efcb9770a

Let me tell you something, guy. You're just another one of those people who didn't notice anything that was going on, either because you don't pay attention to the news sphere beyond your little Pro-Obama bubble or simply because you can't face the fact that the man you adore as our last president was a fucking monster who ruined millions of lives both nationally and internationally and swept it under the rug 24/7 with a big shit-eating grin on his face.
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John Cegglehon - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:50:51 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387780
I pride myself on having never told a single lie here.
As a philosopher, your assertion merely backs up my assumption that when people are faced with something too different from themselves they need it to be untrue so badly that they just plainly refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt. You don't like that my life experiences contradict your idealisms, and you'd much rather cling to your idealisms than level with a real human being like myself who has real experience in things you probably don't know anything about.

Like look at your mention of insurance. I aced Risk Management and Insurance. I know insurance. And I know why Obamacare was a colossal failure.
  1. Insuring pre-existing conditions is the death of the insurance industry. No different than people buying auto-insurance on a car they just wrecked.
  2. People have insurance. Not too many people are in dire need of it. And we should address them. Obamacare sure as fuck didn't. If you want to fucking save lives, fucking save lives, don't just write down on paper 'look how many lives I saved' while you fuck people to death.
  3. You wanna know why I, a sick person, can afford insurance? Oh it's called responsibility. I had a responsible family, they obtained the proper medical insurance before I got sick, then it was covered, and it is now and probably will be the rest of my life. I'm the one in a million the insurance company has to deal with. And people as sick as me get government aid, whether you know it or not. As soon as I got on one specific drug, the government magically started sending me checks for 3,500 a year since my annual premiums are 4000.
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Ernest Suvingtot - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:47:14 EST ID:VqGtqGtM No.387793 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387787
>I pride myself on having never told a single lie here.
you just keep yourself so poorly informed you legitimately can't discern lie from truth.

>>387786
One number in your crime report link that is demonstrably going up is the population. If the number of crimes is remaining the same, but the population is going up, that means the crime rate is going down, so you're wrong about that.

>Obama telling undocumented immigrants to vote
It literally says in the headline of your link "No" (nor does he say it anywhere in the exchange). again, you provide fake news sources.

>Yet food stamp value went up significantly.
Yeah, it's only matching inflation.

>1.7 trillion
learn to read, man. I said how much did it cost to date. Spending would only reach $1.7 trillion in 2025. and a fucking knee replacement costs $50k, god forbid you get cancer or diabetes. even your fantasy number of $170k is a drop in the bucket of what an individual would have to pay out of pocket to keep themselves healthy.

Opinion pieces and singular anecdotes don't prove anything about Obamacare. I know you have a hard time with this, but, opinions aren't facts. You acknowledge good has come to American under Obama's presidency, but can't even bring yourself to give him credit (even going so far as giving Bush credit - lol). So sad.
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Graham Daffingway - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:10:41 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387787
>People have insurance. Not too many people are in dire need of it.

Bullshit. I know for a fucking FACT....a fucking verifiable FACT that people die in this country everyday from treatable illnesses due to a lack of insurance.

Many are kids with cancer.

Yes, America allows sick kids to die.

Every
Single
Day
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Hannah Sibbleham - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:32:26 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.387800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387787
Your argument is basically 'I got mine, fuck anyone who wasn't able to get theirs.' You were able to get treatment under a generous insurance regime, and now you want to make it impossible for everyone else, because only you matter, right?

What a fucking worthless person.
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Graham Daffingway - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:35:27 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387800
>What a fucking worthless person.

So, a Libertarian....
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Graham Hupperfield - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:28:42 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387781

>I like how this is always touted as some boon to the American people when working people aren't the ones benefiting

False. Many "working people" have 401Ks and IRAs. This effects them directly for their retirement accounts.

These types of accounts are often the only contact "working people" have with the stock market.
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Martha Greenlock - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:59:12 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.387806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Guys, just ignore x8es.

Last time he was asked to back up a claim with sources, he came up with:
Iran's state news agency
kkk.com
A neonazi's personal blog
A site headlining an article titled "Planned Parenthood is Hitleristic, Death is their prescription"
A site that I assume had some malware or fucktons of ads as it wouldn't load at all with noscript.
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Reuben Murringway - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:16:33 EST ID:reMs3Ms1 No.387810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387796
>Many are kids with cancer.
>Yes, America allows sick kids to die.
I'm not defending any of X8's bullshit, but you're severely misinformed here.

The US does indeed make sure all kids have healthcare. Medicaid covers the terminally ill. Medicare covers poor people. There's even the CHIP program to insure kids from families inelligible for medicare.

Yes, poverty kills in other ways. But not lack of insurance, like you're saying.
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Martha Greenlock - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:26:39 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.387811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387810
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
There's a shitton of people who don't qualify for medicaid and don't have access to medical care.
Medical care in this country costs more than anywhere else in the world and high deductibles drive patients to avoid going to the doctor even if they are insured.
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Wesley Higgleben - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:37:15 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387810
>I'm not defending any of X8's bullshit, but you're severely misinformed here.

Ummm....my wife works in pediatric oncology. Neuro oncology, to be specific.

She sees this happen ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

>The US does indeed make sure all kids have healthcare. Medicaid covers the terminally ill. Medicare covers poor people. There's even the CHIP program to insure kids from families inelligible for medicare.

GOP lies. No kidding. Many people fall through the cracks with Medicare, since they make "too much." My wife has seen families literally PURPOSEFULLY impoverish themselves to cover their kids treatments. And even then, some states have such strict requirements, that almost nobody can get on.

And this doesn't even touch the cost of deductibles....

And let me be clear, again - My wife has had to attend FUNERALS OF CHILDREN because the families could not afford care. This is a DAILY OCCURRENCE IN AMERICA.

And honestly, it shows us to be little better than barbarians.
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:41:51 EST ID:TLKEQYNG No.387817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387810
Coverage for children was greatly expanded under Obama and the ACA. I grew up under Bush/Clinton/Bush and didn't have health insurance from the age of about 8 until I was 24 years old. Aspects of my health suffered greatly for it.

It's much better now but I suspect there's a lot of children of illegals that are still likely without coverage. And Tom Price Trump's HHS secretary has explicitly stated his platform is centered around rolling back Obama's Medicaid expansion. This is also part of the bill that Paul Ryan and Rand Paul are trying to introduce into the legislature. They're trying to put us back into the Clinton/Bush years and if that happens a lot of kids will lose their coverage, my nephews included.
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Wesley Higgleben - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:01:07 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387817
Remember, all life is sacred until it is born.

After that, it is worthless unless it has money.
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Reuben Hongermone - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:39:00 EST ID:reMs3Ms1 No.387821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387817
>>387815
>>387811
Sheeeeeeeeeit. OK. I was wrong and misinformed. When you put it like this, it's obvious.
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Nell Senningpog - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:29:32 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.387825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387821
Also, you have it wrong, medicaid covers the very poor, medicare covers people 65+ and the disabled.
Medicaid funds are handed to the state who designate how it's used, with the requirement the state meet certain standards such as requiring hospitals provide emergency care to patients even if they're unable to pay (they still charge the patient obviously, and generally sell their debt to a debt collection agency).
Abuses in blue states include states with loose requirements like "all ambulance calls are covered", leading to broke patients using $3,000 ambulances for daily travel to a hospital for dialysis, and any politician who tries to fix it getting a massive ad campaign against them to the effect of <X> WANTS TO CHARGE THE POOR FOR EMERGENCY AMBULANCE TRANSPORT.
Abuses in red states include that, and outright refusing federal funds to shore up the program because most of the people getting fucked are going to blame Obamacare.

Medicare is federal medical insurance.
To avoid it competing with private insurance, it's restricted to people >65 and with specific disabilities.
Medicare has less overhead than any private insurance, but is barred by congress from bargaining for lower prices with hospitals and pharma, so while more of every dollar that goes into the program goes to paying for medical stuff, most of that is just profit for the medical providers.

Hillary's plan was to allow it to bargain like insurance and to allow people to buy their way into medicare.
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Wesley Higgleben - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:33:00 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387821
First off, good on you for listening. Lot of people don't anymore.

And honestly, this illustrates how fucked up things are in the US. There is so much propaganda that somehow we have the "best" of everything, even when we allow kids to die of treatable diseases.

Best doesn't matter when you can never afford even "mediocre."
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Nell Senningpog - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:42:24 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.387830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387825
It's the people who are above the state's qualifications for medicaid, but don't make enough to afford insurance that allows them reasonable access to healthcare, the so-called doughnut hole for whom obamacare has been a disaster.

Republican states have done as much as they possibly could to ensure as many people fall into that region as possible.
From the bottom by refusing medicaid funds, which raises medical prices and decreases the number of people who will be covered
From the top by not setting up a health insurance exchange or helping enroll people so the insurance market is less competitive and the income level at which good insurance is affordable is higher.
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 23:56:34 EST ID:TLKEQYNG No.387841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387825
Basically Medicaid is a bit better in liberal states because those states generally contribute state money to supplement federal funding. Whereas in deep conservative states they just take whatever they can get from the govt and refuse to contribute themselves. Less funding means shittier coverage.
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Dr. VerserK - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 00:33:10 EST ID:gYF1QiH7 No.387843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just a fyi haitch, mokes, and buttocks are playing the trump presser from today in the wooo taima channel if anyone wants to watch
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Caroline Dandlewell - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 01:11:06 EST ID:Z7Na6ELH No.387844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387843
Because that's wrestling related.
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Wesley Higgleben - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 11:00:39 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.387878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387844
I keep forgetting that /wooo/ basically elected our president...
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Molly Mudgeridge - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 11:47:06 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387793
>you just keep yourself so poorly informed you legitimately can't discern lie from truth.
I'm a philosopher so I'll come at you philosophically. I keep myself very informed. Not as much recently, but my analysis of the media made me realize that most sources are illegitimate. To be blunt, you need to find both sources backing up your claim and sources rejecting your claim. If you want to know what's true, research both the proof and disproof of such claims. Usually, one will pop out at you. For instance, I could cite a million sources claiming Obamacare was a big success.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/21/obamacare-unheralded-success/montTA45UvggSgwA0Myd8K/story.html
Sure, some of what they say is true, but they don't make any mention of the various failures I cited yesterday, even though based on the dates you can tell that that information was there for them if they wanted it, but they didn't.

>Crimes the same, pops going up, you're wrong.
I literally said crime's been slowly dropping. Did you not read what I wrote?

>It literally says in the headline of your link "NO"
Do yourself a favor. Actually read the articles I give you. Maybe even watch the video attached to it. I'm right as usual if you'd just read the material.

>Matching inflation
What do you know about matching inflation? Can you provide sources to back that up?

>Opinions aren't facts
Thanks, fam. Good chatting with your elitist self.

>>387810
Thank you.

>>387800
>You were able to get treatment under a generous insurance regime, and now you want to make it impossible for everyone else, because only you matter, right?
I guess it's time for me to school you.
Insurance. Do you know how it works?
You buy a car. You insure it. Your insurance covers things, not everything, but some things depending on what you pay. You crash your car. It fits within your insurance. The crash is fixed without costing you anything.
Same with health. You're a perosn. You buy insurance. It covers things.
If you buy shitty insurance, like ACA, you don't get much. You go to the hospital for an accident and you're fucked.

Now let me ask you this. Why, knowing this, do you think people should be able to obtain insurance AFTER they get sick? How does someone profit from that, in order to stay afloat and keep insuring people? Hmmmm?

Americans need to be responsible. Buy car insurance. Buy health insurance. You can afford it. So could they. That's their mistake to not prioritize it. And sometimes that means dying younger than you'd hope.

>>387806
>Ignore X8
Ignore me, faggot. You've got the button at your disposal. Talk to someone else. Talk about someone else. This is a board for conversation. Don't obsess over me just because I'm well-spoken and well-sourced and write pages at a time.
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Molly Mudgeridge - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 11:48:27 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's nothing worse than getting a big rebuttal and it just screams at you 'I DIDN'T ACTUALLY LOOK AT YOUR SOURCES'
Like god damn, why do I waste my time with sources then? Don't talk if you can't read.
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Albert Creddleville - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:15:39 EST ID:c9CRhoyW No.387885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It all depends on how much people trust the MSM from here on out.
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Edwin Brinkinbury - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:47:51 EST ID:VqGtqGtM No.387887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387880
You think you're informed, but you're not. Everything you says is wrong, and when you try to back it up, you point to either an opinion piece or some sensationalized fake news article. You can't tell opinion from fact.

>What do you know about matching inflation? Can you provide sources to back that up?
Yes, it's literally from the same webpage (http://www.trivisonno.com/food-stamps-charts) you got that graph from. It even says the amount paid is going down! Do you even read your own sources?
>The next chart shows the monthly amount paid to recipients. Starting from $6.63 in 1969, the amount has risen steadily, primarily due to inflation. However, the amount has dropped a bit since the peak in 2011

>I'm right as usual if you'd just read the material.
Nothing in the video or the article supports your claim. Like I said, the author even denied it in the headline and gives zero evidence in the article.

Write me off as an elitist. I don't care, sticks and stones, etc. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But you're the problem with the level of discourse surrounding politics - you're just a sheep who eats up whatever opinion piece agrees with your own opinion and doesn't bother see if it matches with reality or not.
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Hedda Ducklespear - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:57:41 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.387888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387880
>Do yourself a favor. Actually read the articles I give you. Maybe even watch the video attached to it. I'm right as usual if you'd just read the material.
>X8 lying out his ass yet again

I actually read the material, just to confirm my suspicions. You're full of shit. Again.

>I'm a philosopher

liar

>I keep myself very informed

liar

>I'm well-spoken and well-sourced

you lying dick

Your arguments are based on such flimsy assumptions one can only assume they're founded on either severe delusion or extreme maliciousness. Either way you're a sick individual.

>Insurance. Do you know how it works?
Well you don't.

>You buy a car. You insure it.
A car is not in any way equivalent to a human life, first off. You choose to buy a car. Nobody chooses to be born.

>If you buy shitty insurance, like ACA, you don't get much. You go to the hospital for an accident and you're fucked.
I'd ask why you think this is an argument in favour of this kind of system, but then I remember you're most likely an actual sociopath. I'll try to put it clearly; normal, psychologically healthy people don't think that poor people deserve to die. It's also been well established scientifically that poverty itself negatively impacts health, making it even harder to escape poverty; sickness and poverty together form a viscious cycle.

>Now let me ask you this. Why, knowing this, do you think people should be able to obtain insurance AFTER they get sick? How does someone profit from that, in order to stay afloat and keep insuring people? Hmmmm?

Why should a system of healthcare exist at all if it doesn't help sick people? Is your logic really "let sick people die so we can look after sick people better"? Every other first world country on the planet has socialised healthcare. The USA is the only developed country where the poor are just left to die. Cuba of all places has healthcare standards that put the most prosperous nation on the planet to shame.

>Americans need to be responsible... Buy health insurance. You can afford it.
If you were actually capable of absorbing new information that didn't fit into your weird little bubble of delusion, you'd be aware that there are many, many people who die every year in America because they cannot afford health insurance.

As a nation, however, this is absolutely true. Like I said, America is the most prosperous nation on the planet. It can afford to take care of sick people. The fact that it doesn't is an embarrassment and a disgrace.
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Molly Mudgeridge - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:02:28 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387887
>Stop posting Alternative Facts!
Ok guy. Great conversation.

>>387888
Ooooh you are dumb as hell. This should be fun.

>You're sick...You're sick...You're a liar...You're a liar...You're a sociopath...
Well, you've reinforced my seemingly correct assumption that people such as yourself, people losing an argument, have no interest in finding out how much of what their opponent says is true and instead obsesses over dehumanizing their opponent, trying to pretend they're not rational, critically-thinking human beings.

>Human life isn't equivalent to a car.
No shit Sherlock. Yet insurance still must be profitable. Dumbass.

>Why can't we have universal health-care!?
Because our health-care is superior by-far. Not only do we have the latest and greatest technology, but we also have extremely affordable health-care for what you get.
Besides, you moron, old and poor people get free fucking health-care currently and it's been that way a long time. You're just butthurt that free poor-people health-care doesn't opt to give poor people million-dollar treatments, like the person who's paying tons of cash for the million-dollar-treatment insurance. It's unprofitable as fuck, bro. You want better health-care? You want health-care for all? First thing you need is money. Waaaay more money than we currently have in health-care. And we'll make that money, assuming we don't become stagnant. Yet the ACA stagnated the insurance market. Great job, Obama!
For the record, good luck getting cancer in Cuba. See what they do to cure it. See how nice their hospitals are.

>Like I said, America is the most prosperous nation on the planet. It can afford to take care of sick people. The fact that it doesn't is an embarrassment and a disgrace.
Lol.
Yeah, we can. And we should. And the liberals had 8 years under Obama to make that happen. And yet they didn't. They didn't even attempt it. Obamacare sure as fuck doesn't count as trying to help poor people lol. Great job again, Obama!
But seriously, not only do you not understand that some people have to be left to die because they're an economic burden, but you also don't understand how few people die of serious illness in the USA compared to the rest of the world.

>So many people die!
That's the problem with your types. You think that people dying is some big issue. It's not. Anyone worth fuck-all isn't dying. Human life has no value, only human action has value. That's why valuable humans aren't dying of illness.
Yes, poverty is a vicious cycle that keeps people poor. Maybe the Democrats should do something about that. I mean, nobody seems better at keeping poor people poor than Democrats who offer them sub-standard food and housing and jobs and the cheapest health-care and education possible.
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Molly Mudgeridge - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:04:22 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387888
I like arguing with SJWs like you. You're the opposite of down-to-earth like myself, so it's fun to see how you think. I mean, you think like a child, like, 'we have to erase everything bad from this world no matter what!'
It's thinking like that that created Stalinism.
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Walter Wankinstere - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:21:18 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387880
>Americans need to be responsible....Buy health insurance. You can afford it.

Except when you can't.

But you appear to be for the individual mandate in the ACA, which makes you buy insurance or face a tax penalty. It was after all an idea from the conservative Heritage Foundation.
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Walter Wankinstere - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:23:08 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387895

And yet you openly admitted you only can be in your ivory tower, despite the numerous health problem, because you're parents pay for it and you're a welfare queen.

Let you your own devices you'd need Obamacare or you'd be dead.
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Molly Mudgeridge - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:24:53 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387899
>Except when you can't.
Basic health insurance is like 20$ per month. I think anyone can afford that. And if they can't, they can enroll in Medicaid.

What you REALLY meant, was, 'except when you can't (afford really expensive/intensive procedures)'
And that's a whole nother issue.

Fuck the Heritage Foundation, and fuck the ACA, and fuck the fucking Diaz Brothers. And fuck penalties being given to uninsured people. But most of all, Fuck Obama for making every single person who signed up for the ACA in a state that didn't support the ACA lose all their health-care tax-credits, making them pay more for health-care by redirecting the cost to make it look less-expensive. What a fucking monster Obama was. How many lives did he ruin? In the USA and Syria? And Libya?
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Molly Mudgeridge - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:31:39 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.387904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>387900
>
>Let you your own devices you'd need Obamacare or you'd be dead.
Left to my own devices I'd buy health-insurance, nigguh. I got sick as fuck at age 16. I've been sick since then. At age 16, your family insurance plan covers you. This ain't rocket science, nigga.

If I was poor, I'd probably be dead. And I'm fine with that, in all honesty. But that being said, with my condition, I'd be sent probably like 7-10K annually by the government. But you didn't know that, because you don't know poor-sick people.

So I hate to break it to you, but, I'm not a welfare queen seeing as my parents had insurance when I got sick, and I was covered. They purchased insurance. Insurance covers sick people who own insurance. I don't see why you're so confused. Maybe you're like 13 and think you're cool for coming to a weed-smoking site. But I like how you keep referencing my Ivory tower. Pic related; that's it. My Ivory Tower in the ghetto.

That being said, due to gentrification and improvement, the apartment complex and the surrounding area are much nicer, now. So nice I'd actually willingly move back if I had anything going on for work up there.
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Wesley Noggleshaw - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:49:22 EST ID:izCEt9V2 No.387909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387904
You lived in a fancy dorm or appartment building while you went to university but just outside campus was the ghetto?

That is the dictionary definition of an ivory tower, dude.
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Hannah Bemmerford - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:11:59 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.387911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387904

>If I was poor, I'd probably be dead. And I'm fine with that, in all honesty.

I'm sorry you value your life so little, but others don't
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Hedda Ducklespear - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:13:42 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.387912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387894
>Well, you've reinforced my seemingly correct assumption that people such as yourself, people losing an argument, have no interest in finding out how much of what their opponent says is true and instead obsesses over dehumanizing their opponent, trying to pretend they're not rational, critically-thinking human beings.

No, I'm simply commenting on the behaviour you consistently display on this board.

>lies
>lies
>more lies
>general ignorance

I'll skip all that thanks.

>Human life has no value, only human action has value.

To whom?
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Walter Wankinstere - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 17:11:26 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.387922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387904

>Left to my own devices I'd buy health-insurance, nigguh. I got sick as fuck at age 16. I've been sick since then.

You couldn't afford it though because you're a NEET.

> At age 16, your family insurance plan covers you. This ain't rocket science, nigga.

Lucky for you, nigga, because of Obama and the hard work of Democrats you can be a lazy piece-of-shit until 26. I can't believe you're a complete fucking ghetto leach and a Conservative. Amazing.

>If I was poor, I'd probably be dead. And I'm fine with that, in all honesty.

HAHAHA. I love how you scream that you're a piece-of-shit from the rooftops. Not surprising from a Trumpkin though.

>But that being said, with my condition, I'd be sent probably like 7-10K annually by the government.

Welfare queen. What's it like being such a weak link in society? If Republicans get their way you'll lose it all. I can only hope you get what you deserve.

>But you didn't know that, because you don't know poor-sick people.

And you do? Unlike you, I don't want them to die. Go get a job and buy insurance for yourself. It's easy to talk shit when you're coddled by your parents.

>So I hate to break it to you, but, I'm not a welfare queen seeing as my parents had insurance when I got sick, and I was covered. They purchased insurance. Insurance covers sick people who own insurance. I don't see why you're so confused. Maybe you're like 13 and think you're cool for coming to a weed-smoking site. But I like how you keep referencing my Ivory tower. Pic related; that's it. My Ivory Tower in the ghetto.

You're just not a smart person. You get money from the government, you're a welfare queen.You getting a hand out and literally crying about people getting handouts. I have insurance that I pay for myself, because I work for a living and am an adult.

You're 16 years old now? If Obamacare goes away you do realize at 18 you get kicked off your parents insurance and are on you own? You won't get 7-10K annually either if the people you voted for get their way.

You're completely clueless, and I hope you reap what you sow by voting against your own economic interests you leach. What a freak show.
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Clara Sembletet - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:38:24 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.387938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, here's one group voting for trump in 2020

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-february-15-2017-1.3982434/bomb-shelter-sales-skyrocket-in-response-to-trump-presidency-1.3982469
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Fanny Brickleforth - Sat, 18 Feb 2017 23:34:47 EST ID:EZ2w69pK No.388000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If it depends on me, Trump will be president of the world.
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Simon Bliddlecocke - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 13:50:27 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388000
Sure thing Milo....
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Jenny Grandworth - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 18:08:45 EST ID:lKQJmFVW No.388039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387938
>trump has made shitlibs more like tinfoiler preppers
best timeline
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Hugh Fummleson - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:02:53 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.388045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388039
I'd be willing to bet most of those people identify as Libertarian.
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David Smallworth - Mon, 20 Feb 2017 03:28:37 EST ID:kIbnOYWZ No.388054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it is of course idiotically irrational to try to predict something like that 4 years in advance. i mean he could just be sitting in the white house when some ultra rare meteorite crashes through and hits him directly in the skull, killing him, despite all his advanced protection. or he could just lose popularity, have a major scandal or gaffe, be impeached, or even actually choose not to run for a second term (possible =/= likely). shit even an assassination is possible. i want things to proceed nonviolently always in all places, but to try to guess such a big event so far in advance is impossible.
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Hedda Hacklebud - Mon, 20 Feb 2017 05:43:52 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.388058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387904
God damn, what a moron. Literally only able to be on his parent's insurance because of Obamacare. Literally not denied coverage because of a preexisting condition only because of Obamacare. And of course, he hates Obamacare because poor people deserve death for their horrible sin of not being born with rich parents like him.
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Beatrice Drommlekud - Mon, 20 Feb 2017 08:32:25 EST ID:3RUZOfcK No.388062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>387904

You have a preexisting condition. If Obamacare gets repealed in its entirety and you hit 18, you will no longer be covered by your parents' insurance. Once you have to buy insurance on your own, most insurers will not cover you because you are a huge liability. The coverage you can get will only cover catastrophic events and will be exorbitant.

You are fucked.
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Charlotte Honeyford - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:14:36 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.388146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388058
>>388062
God dammit, why don't any of you understand how insurance works? Why don't you understand how Obamacare works? Jesus. Like, really dudes, come on.

Here we go again.
  1. Obamacare only extended how long you can stay on your parents' insurance by a few years. Something like age 22 to age 26. Big whoop. I got sick at 16. You do the math, my little Einsteins.
  2. I was insured when my condition surfaced. That means I am set FOR LIFE. You won't get smacked with 'preexisting condition' unless you have no insurance when the condition surfaces.
  3. Poor people get free insurance. Old people get free insurance.
  4. "Deserve death" is not the same as "You don't deserve a 1 million dollar operation". Understand that. And no, poor people don't deserve a 1 million dollar operation. That's how you bankrupt the insurance industry.

See, this is why people hate having to converse with you liberals. You just assume that people who contribute nothing to society deserve endless health-care for free. You think human life has no set price. Let me tell you something; it does. Every human has a dollar amount. Some humans have negative dollar amounts, meaning society would literally profit from them dying. Which means they should die. This isn't communism; this is a free country where you must be responsible for yourself. Some people can't handle that at all. Too bad for them; survival of the fittest says they should die, and they do. If not, at least they don't procreate, some of the times.
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George Farrystud - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:43:41 EST ID:Uov7b20D No.388152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388146
You're right about the numbered list, but you seem to have forgotten that humans are also capital and humans have potential. A drain on any given economic system can be turned into a gain if it's a human. Any profit from their death is eventually dwarfed by the profit we stand to gain by their flourishing. As far as the commons are concerned, a disabled person who contributes negatively to the economy wouldn't help out by dying any more than you would help out by dying. You two are the same. It is also an observable fact that major positive contributors to the economy can be catastrophically negative contributors to life on earth, in which case one must weigh their true worth beyond finance (and often find them wanting).

In my personal opinion, a bankrupted insurance industry would make everything count for more and in the long-term would improve the world by forcing it to be more careful. I know I could very well be wrong about that, maybe insurance is the best way to combat pharmaceutical (or automotive, housing, etc.) greed.

I can see that you understand how insurance works, I just think you should reconsider how you define a positive contribution.

(Fun fact: there was a project- started by nixon and finished by clinton if memory serves- to estimate the monetary value of [any given] human life and they arrived at a figure of approximately three million USD worth of positive contribution by the end of their lives).
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Polly Puddlesark - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:08:35 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388146
>You just assume that people who contribute nothing to society deserve endless health-care for free.

I would so beat you to a pulp IRL....
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:28:06 EST ID:HObyD5U/ No.388156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388146
>I was insured when my condition surfaced. That means I am set FOR LIFE. You won't get smacked with 'preexisting condition' unless you have no insurance when the condition surfaces.
No you idiot that only works if you keep that same insurance you already have. If you have to go out into the single payer market after your diagnosis you will most certainly be considered to have "preexisting conditions".
>Poor people get free insurance
Medicaid is insurance of last resort, varies from state to state but typically just pays a flat 80% of care or so. If your treatments are expensive it'll still bury you. Blue states are usually a little better though.
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Albert Druffingdock - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:12:15 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.388160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388146
>I was insured when my condition surfaced. That means I am set FOR LIFE

False. Without Obamacare you will be able to be tossed out of your insurance by your parent's provider, or they can begin charging them so much they'll either have to make that choice you love: bankrupt themselves or let you die.

You seem to think "how insurance works" is the way it works under Obamacare, because Obama was the only President you've known under your sickness.

Also, do you believe that when your parents retire/lose their employer health insurance you're "BE SET FOR LIFE?" You won't be able to stay on their medicare, you'll be on medicaid yourself if Republicans don't completely destroy it, either way you'll spend your days dealing with bills and how you can't pay for them.

You are in for a rude awakening, especially if the preexisting conditions clause is removed which is plan #1 for Republicans, because the profits of the Insurance companies far outweigh your life's worth.

You are the drain on the system Republicans hate so much. Remember that.
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Molly Hommletick - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:13:30 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.388162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388146
>"Deserve death" is not the same as "You don't deserve a 1 million dollar operation".

It is if not receiving the operation means death.

You take a very patronizing tone for someone who has so often demonstrated themselves to be a liar and an idiot.
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Charles Geffingstock - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 20:15:54 EST ID:Z7Na6ELH No.388173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388162
He's not a liar, he's just an idiot. He's one of those types who thinks they know it all, when they actually know jack fucking shit how things work.
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Phyllis Goodman - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 21:06:24 EST ID:Ya8XWC/o No.388175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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every single day I say to myself, "there's no way X8 can demonstrate a more loathsome blend of knuckle-dragging ignorance and knuckle-whitening cruelty, not after what we've already seen from him. Nobody can go that low." And every single day I am wrong. Feast ever more ravenously from that trash can, you ideological glutton, you gorgeous edgy redhat disaster—feast on with wild abandon.
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Cyril Fuvingtare - Tue, 21 Feb 2017 23:41:25 EST ID:3LkUNfDk No.388193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388146

>this is a free country where you must be responsible for yourself.
>I am only insured because a combination of parents and government regulation
>but everyone else has to be responsible for themselves
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Fucking Wankinson - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 03:11:53 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.388202 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388173
Oh no, he's absolutely a liar as well. When he isn't simply claiming that an article supports his argument when in fact it does the opposite, he's making up stories about his life to use as anecdotal evidence. What's weird is that he keeps doing it despite having 0 credibility left, all the while insisting that he's the only honest, intelligent person on the whole board and nobody has ever proven him wrong about anything.
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Nell Puttingbot - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:56:00 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.388207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388202
Just put him on ignore, it'd make your life way more easy.
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Fucking Wankinson - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:47:50 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.388212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388207
Not until I know whether he's schizo, psycho or just an astonishingly dedicated troll.
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Samuel Gangerseg - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:26:19 EST ID:zA8Zcg02 No.388215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Has he already won the 2020 election?
You know, I was thinking about this, he announced his candidacy about the day he was inaugurated, right? I thought it was strange, so I looked into why he might want to do that, since I don't think anyone else has...

So he could raise campaign funds for four fucking years. He just had that campaign rally in Florida so he could sell red hats and accept money from donors. He's already raised $7 MM and there's nothing to stop an American from buying an executive order via contribution to a Trump Super PAC. Foreigners could already do this via dumping money into Trump hotels though, since for some reason he doesn't have to give up his conflicts of interest.

Secondarily, this would also prevent non-profits from speaking out against Trump, since non-profits are barred from advocating for or against specific candidates for public office.
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Samuel Funderway - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:38:01 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388215
Just wait until he announces his run for third term....
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Betsy Brasslewater - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 07:55:21 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.388266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388146
>That means I am set FOR LIFE.

You mean until you lose your job and insurance. If you go even one second without insurance on pre Obamacare rules that means you're fucked eternally.

>inb4 I'm competent so I would never lose my job (lol)
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Angus Pommlesock - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:19:32 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.388283 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388266
>advocates laissez faire capitalism
>has the freedom to choose to work for what the owner decides to give him or spend the rest of his life in debt
Maybe he'll realize capitalists stealing your labor while paying you just enough to survive is undesirable when he is one making just enough to survive, by his own, voluntary agreements.
Well not totally voluntary, I mean his employer was coerced into paying a minimum wage, covering healthcare, paying the taxes that benefit him more than the employer, etc.
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Molly Cloddleford - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:42:05 EST ID:ylA2w/WC No.388305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388283
This argument gets less and less compelling once you get beyond low paying unskilled work.

No one is "stealing your labor". You agree to trade it for a wage. If you make "just enough to survive" perhaps you should think more about what your labor is worth as a resource instead of citing rhetoric about "my means of production" which, in my opinion, boils down to sophistry.

Look at the marginal product of labor in regards to flipping burgers or filling coffees as opposed to any type of skilled work.
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Edwin Mublingshit - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:22:49 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.388314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386679
He has the lowest approval rating of any president in history following inauguration. The truth is; Repubs are very loyallistic and support him for the sake of the party. Many in the party hate him. Independents most often dont like him. Dems overwhelmingly hate him.

Lets be honest... seriously, the reason he won was because he spoke to the working class. In which case, the favorite of the working class was easily Bernie with early polling revealing a 10-15 point lead if he had ran against Trump. Hillary is what caused Dems to lose. The party still blames everyone other than Hillary so they havent learned. However, her weakness as a candidate that Dems had an abysmal voter turnout. And as facts state, when Dems vote, they win. 25 % of eligible voters voted Trump and his inauguation attendence was tiny.

I dont say this with party lines in mind. The basic fact is that both Hillary and Trump (especially Trump) succeeded in receiving record low approvals. This election was a mess and a fluke.

Having said this, I can see nepotistic Rrpublicans using Trump to fulfill their goals. There will be a lot of push and pull. But I dont personally see how he could win again if Dems get anyone at least decent (and not throw thrm down like they did Bernie).

P.s. If its true that Trump cant read, and there is good indication, expect just about anything getting passed if there are enough butt kissers. Trump loves ego stroking.
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Wesley Blumblebutch - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:32:31 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388315 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388314
Now that Trump appears ready to wage Drug War 2.0, and wants to crack down on recreational states, how do you think this will play with the States Rights crowd?
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Jenny Dronnerdock - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:39:01 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.388316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388315
According to my sources, Trump is fine with states rights and wants the feds to keep out of it.
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Wesley Blumblebutch - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:43:52 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388316
What are your sources?
Mine is Sean Spicer at around 4pm EST today.
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Edwin Mublingshit - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:12:24 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.388320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388315
Not very well. Add this to the list of reasons he will probably be a 1 term president.

>>388316
Our Attorney General isnt a fan of legalisation to say the least...
Compound this with Spicers recent comments and it doesnt look good...
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Wesley Blumblebutch - Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:55:37 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388320
My concern is that my state is in the midst of having the state legislature "tinker" with what was passed by the citizens. The prohibitionists of course want to use it to reverse as much of the law as possible. And we won't have retail stores until 2018. My concern is that they will now put a freeze on everything, "because of that darn Trump." Say their hands were tied, etc.

I really want to be able to buy my fucking weed like I buy my booze. That's all I fucking want. And between Trump, and the state pols, and this fat cunt who is on the city council of my town and wants to make the city a weed free zone...I am getting more than a little fucking pissed off!
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Thomas Dredgebury - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:01:27 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.388341 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388324
Your sources are garbage.

https://www.mpp.org/2016-presidential-candidates/
While this website gives Trump a C+, I think it's obvious he earns an A+ on his completely reasonable stance on Marijuana and state's rights. I mean, he sounds like a complete fucking Libertarian right here.
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Polly Brookridge - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:06:21 EST ID:ixqOA5lP No.388345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388341
can one person be any less informed? have you not realized yet that what trump says[/]i and what trump does are usually different things?

take a look over here: >>388293 Trump doesn't give a shit about state's rights when it comes to this.
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Frederick Chullydock - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:06:23 EST ID:T43ZgZvA No.388346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388318
That is a terrible source lol.
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Thomas Dredgebury - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 11:39:04 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.388358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388345
>Can any person be less informed?
>Cites horrible source I already disproved.

No, I'm just the guy who's too smart to be misguided, unlike everyone else here, apparently. Well, not everyone, just the vocally outraged.
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Ian Fibbersat - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 11:57:09 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.388365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388358
>No, I'm just the guy who's too smart to be misguided, unlike everyone else here, apparently.

Like a broken fucking record.

nb
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Nicholas Fannerfuck - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 14:29:09 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.388380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>386679
Baby President's latest outburst:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/321049-white-house-hand-picks-select-media-for-briefing
>The White House blocked a number of news outlets from covering spokesman Sean Spicer’s question-and-answer session on Friday afternoon. Spicer decided to hold an off-camera “gaggle” with reporters inside his West Wing office instead of the traditional on-camera briefing in the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room.

>Among the outlets not permitted to cover the gaggle were news organizations that President Trump has singled out for criticism, including CNN. The New York Times, The Hill, Politico, BuzzFeed, the Daily Mail, BBC, the Los Angeles Times and the New York Daily News were among the other news organizations not permitted to attend.

>Several right-leaning outlets were allowed into Spicer’s office, including Breitbart, the Washington Times and One America News Network. A number of major news organizations were also let in to cover the gaggle. That group included ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, Reuters and Bloomberg.
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Polly Brookridge - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 15:24:12 EST ID:ixqOA5lP No.388385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388380
lol i don't think buzzfeed or the daily mail (or BB or one america) have any business being there, but the BBC, NYT and CNN certainly do.

this is actually pretty scary.
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Wesley Blumblebutch - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 15:27:24 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388346
>That is a terrible source lol.

LOL! I thought that myself after posting it.

I was like, "Fuck, it ain't like he is known to be a good source...WTF did I do?"

The conundrum is that Spicer speaks for Trump. And as such, says stupid shit. You have no idea what is actually going on. All you can do is go by his words.
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Lydia Fammlepun - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 15:34:34 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.388388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388365
Why haven't you put him on ignore yet? Makes /pol/ much nicer.
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Nicholas Fannerfuck - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:06:35 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.388391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388385
But wait! Deres more!
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/320890-trump-adviser-calls-twitter-critic-threatens-legal-action
>A White House adviser made an angry phone call and threatened a lawsuit over a critic's tweets about him, Newsweek reported Thursday.

>The Newsweek story includes a recording of the lengthy phone call Gorka made after counterterrorism expert Michael S. Smith II questioned Gorka's qualifications to be a national security adviser. Gorka, whose experience and views on Islam have come under recent fire, phoned Smith Tuesday, asking to know “why this vitriol” was coming from him. Gorka repeatedly expressed confusion as to why Smith would attack him, emphasizing the fact that they have never met in person.

>“I look at your Twitter feed once or twice a day, and it’s half a dozen tweets about me, and I’ve never even met you,” Gorka said. “Wow, are you defeating jihad by monitoring or trolling my Twitter feed?” Smith shot back. Smith, in response to Gorka's questioning, continued to stress that he had “very serious concerns” about Gorka and his views on national security.

>During the phone call, Gorka tried to invite Smith to talk face-to-face, but Gorka withdrew the invitation Wednesday because of Smith’s “latest attack piece and continued disparaging tweets.” Gorka reportedly used a cellphone rather than a government phone to place the call, meaning that the call wouldn't be logged or archived, Smith told Newsweek. Smith suggested suspected Gorka “was trying to conceal the call.” Smith said he started recording the call after Gorka threatened legal action. “Gorka asserted my tweets about him merited examination by the White House legal counsel,” Smith told Newsweek.

>“In effect, he was threatening to entangle me in a legal battle for voicing my concerns on Twitter that he does not possess expertise sufficient to assist the president of the United States with formulating and guiding national security policies,” he continued. Gorka did not respond to Newsweek’s request for comment.
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Isabella Hobblestatch - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 19:03:12 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388391
You know what I am finding interesting...

What fucking PUSSIES the Trump Admin is filled with.

Trump and his Douche Parade make these veiled threats to "stop the fake news," and Trump threatens to sue people left and right.

Trump could just have HLS or the FBI go and arrest a bunch of reporters and charge them with some trumped up charges (HA! A PUN!) and throw them in a dank cell for a week or two. The worst that would happen, would be that the SC shouts at him. The GOP will never impeach him.

Why doesn't Pussy Grabber In Chief do this? It can't be ethics or respect for the law. He doesn't have those.

My only conclusion is, he and his cronies are really giant cowards.
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Sat, 25 Feb 2017 01:13:08 EST ID:g4ld2Uxs No.388411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh Spicy,
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/white-house-reacts-killing-srinivas-kuchibhotla-170224194113836.html

>Addressing the killing that occured in the US state of Kansas this week, Sean Spicer, the White House spokesperson, said on Friday any loss of life is tragic but it would be absurd to link the action to Trump's stance on immigrants.

>Spicer said it was too early to guess the motive for the incident, in which a man opened fire in a crowded bar in an apparently racially motivated attack.

>The assailant, who witnesses said had shouted "Get out of my country" before he opened fire, has been charged with murder.
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Nell Posslehedge - Sat, 25 Feb 2017 01:22:46 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.388412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388411
Well duh, they took White Supremacy off the Terror watchlist, so its impossible for it to be terrorism.
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Isabella Hobblestatch - Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:29:24 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388412
White people can't be terrorists. Especially not the Jebus Lubbing ones...
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Wesley Birryfoot - Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:00:57 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.388419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388415
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Isabella Hobblestatch - Sat, 25 Feb 2017 15:41:45 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388419
A misunderstood victim of multiculturalism!
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Nell Dimmershaw - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:12:54 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.388487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388415
That's funny, I can't remember a time where someone killed a lot of people in the name of Jesus, and yet that happens literally almost every day in Islam somewhere in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2017
Good thing this list isn't full of Muslims.
Oh wait...
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George Shittingman - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:31:25 EST ID:3RUZOfcK No.388488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388487

>I can't remember the last time someone killed a lot of people in the name of Jesus

The United States caused hundreds of thousands of deaths in the Iraq War. Or does that not count because they only did it in the name of Western values and democracy instead of Jesus?
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George Shittingman - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:35:10 EST ID:3RUZOfcK No.388489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, yes, Christian countries don't use terrorism. That's for two reasons. One, because Christian countries are typically the ones that define what terrorism is. Two, because terrorism is an asymmetric tactic used by underequipped, undertrained forces to subvert professional, well-trained enemies. Rebel movements in Islamic countries are poorer and have less equipment than the West and Russia, as well as the despots the West and Russia give material support to. No shit they use terrorism.

But, of course, drone striking a wedding and killing dozens of civilians doesn't count as terrorism, because we say so. Ergo, Christians don't commit terrorism. Wow, so peaceful.
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Emma Nommleway - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:36:10 EST ID:OTWQoa7l No.388490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388488
> Or does that not count because they only did it in the name of Western values and democracy instead of Jesus?

Wording it like that, no.
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Henry Huzzlewell - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:01:59 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388489
Yes...Christians are the most moral people on the planet. There are no Christian terrorists...
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Jenny Fobbleham - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:25:31 EST ID:IXdoX1BO No.388502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388497
You know nothing of Islam. Its a political ideology written by one megalomaniac while the bible was written by hundreds of people and can be interpreted in many ways. The Quran has strict guidelines on every aspect of life (there are no contradictions in islam, Muhammed himself set up rules so if there is a contradictment that whatever statement is later in the texts, is the correct version).
Mohammed used war within his own lifetime to spread Islam. It is the most violent religion in existence and you'd know if you looked into it.
Islam started around your 622 and by 750 they had conquered an area bigger than rome at its peak. Of course almost all of those people were converted using violence.
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Nell Dimmershaw - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:27:03 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.388503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388488
>>388489
>>388497

That's funny because my sources are waaaaay better than all of yours.
So why don't you show me your statistics that prove that Christians are dangerous, more so than Muslims?

Or are you going to say, 'Well Wikipedia isn't reliable whatsoever so...' like all the other people too afraid to debate me like a man?
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:39:26 EST ID:bJZFJ+cp No.388506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388502
Muhammad didn't write the Quran you fucktard. Muhammad's teachings were given orally, his followers only wrote down the Quran several decades after his death.
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Hannah Nisslekutch - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:40:32 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.388507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388503

>afraid to debate me

Every time you get backed into a corner you disappear, fucking lol
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Jenny Fobbleham - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:53:00 EST ID:IXdoX1BO No.388508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388506
This is a lie. Lumpen im disappointed, your trolling is lacking in quality lately
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Charles Bunwater - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:10:49 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.388509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388503
Literally every single time you post a source its either proven to be bogus or shown to not actually support your arguments. Then you run away, you lying pussy.

Nobody can possibly debate you like a man because you're a goddamn infant.
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Caroline Clamblegold - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:55:08 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.388511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388507
Just put him on ignore. Its incredible how much fresher /pol/ is without his sexual abuse of the English language filling up the threads.
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lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:39:24 EST ID:bJZFJ+cp No.388516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388508
Read wikipedia you fucking retard.
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Cedric Grandford - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:14:35 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.388539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388507
>>388509
>>388511
Well, fellas, I really liked those sources you just posted. You got me. You've finally defeated me in debate.

Oh wait....
You're still so afraid to debate that you'd prefer to call me a pussy than to research your argument and post it here using factual sources.


Personally, I love being insulted by people I've defeated. It feels like they're pouring salt into their own wounds. Your own wounds.
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Doris Drenkinville - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:15:34 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.388540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388539
See? I have no clue what this waste of words said, and I'm better for it.
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Clara Povingwidge - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:16:43 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388540
Same here.
It feels freeing.
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Cedric Grandford - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:31:31 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.388544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388540
>>388542
Well, I'm glad you two blocked me. I'm here to talk facts and wax philosophical with the other board members, and I've got no interest in getting replies from people like yourselves who'd derail a whole thread just to talk shit on me because I don't agree with your sacred opinions. I just get back in your faces because it's fun to talk shit to people who want to talk shit. But, this is for the best. Goodbye, fellow board members.
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Doris Drenkinville - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:25:21 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.388552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388544
"This user has been ignored." is the smartest thing you ever posted X8
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Priscilla Haffingsare - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 17:46:56 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.388563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388544
>I'm here to talk facts
There's a very heavy burden of proof if you're going to claim the guy who was just proven to know fuckall about the ACA, but depends on it for his access to affordable healthcare, who cites satire, kkk.com, wikipedia, pressTV, blatant fake news sites, as reliable sources, and yet has not altered any of his perspectives when confronted with this, has any interest in facts.

Can you cite this claim?
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Phyllis Goodman - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 17:58:46 EST ID:Qm/mKIwo No.388566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388544
don't forget melting into the shadows when confronted with facts and reliable sources, you never fail to deliver on that one
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Reuben Ceppershit - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 18:22:13 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.388568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388539
>X8
>talking shit about other people not posting sources

lol
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Rebecca Lightfield - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 18:22:51 EST ID:cBPyNYtq No.388569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388544

facts and waxing philosophical do not mix. I dont care what side your arguments were for. If you want to smoke weed and be like dude what if the universe is just a projection of your imagination that you live in.... DUUUUUUUDE.

inb4 this is 420chan. only first year smokers do that gay shit.
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Phyllis Pishlotch - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:27:27 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.388575 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388563
>There's a very heavy burden of proof if you're going to claim the guy who was just proven to know fuckall about the ACA.
Lol when did this happen? Cite me that? As I recall, I'm one of the only people around here who actually know much about the ACA.

>who cites satire, kkk.com, wikipedia, pressTV, blatant fake news sites, as reliable sources
You think the one person who's constantly criticizing every major source of news has a hard time with reliable sources?

I can't fathom what it's like to constantly pretend your opponent is literally Hitler when really they're just correct but their real facts can't get through to your brain because it's filled with nonsense the media's sold you. But, that's none of my business.

>>388566
Lol when's the last time anyone on here disproved anything I had to say? Really. Sure, sometimes people try to attack my facts with opinion articles, but hopefully you can see that my sources are better than theirs in those instances.

Dude, all honesty, I'd fucking love to be proven wrong. I'd love for somebody here to have this incredibly intelligent opinion backed up by tons of reliable sources as well as a cross-examination of multiple sources' take on the subject. I'd love it if someone around here corrected me and actually knew what they were talking about.

But all I get is a bunch of stoners who follow bad news sources and post their fragile opinions against my logical conclusions and use no sources to back them up.

When will my hero arise? A stoner who actually knows anything about politics, and doesn't just regurgitate rhetoric? Humans of such caliber are so rare. I come across so few in my life. Do you know how it feels to be that one guy critically thinking? It sucks. It's lonely.
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Betsy Brooklock - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:40:52 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.388577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388575
>Lol when's the last time anyone on here disproved anything I had to say?

How about the time you claimed you grew mushrooms using CO2?
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Isabella Honeybanks - Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:42:59 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.388578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388575
>Lol when did this happen? Cite me that? As I recall, I'm one of the only people around here who actually know much about the ACA.
Scroll up the thread. We literally just had this conversation, you proved you know fuckall about the ACA, and the fact that your current access to insurance depends on the ACA.

If the ACA ever goes away, and insurance companies are allowed to deny you/charge you more based on your preexisting conditions, you will have to pay significantly more for health insurance.

Does your brain just filter this information out?


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