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Nobody is wrong by Nigel Dazzleham - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:55:26 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You can no longer turn around and blame people, even if they voted against their self-interests and expect to win elections.
Nobody is at fault because they voted for Trump.

It is Trump's fault and it is our elected officials, fault for everything they choose to do in this country. As citizens, we only vote for them.


Voting is our only obligation so then we must ask ourselves why do people vote for things that harm them? Also, why would we support a party that is either too smart or too incompetent to convince people NOT to vote against their own self-interests.

Do we want to support a government that cannot communicate complex ideas simply enough for white working class men to understand?

We only vote, our responsibility ends there. I am not responsible for poor people giving their money away to the ultra-rich. I am not responsible for failing to communicate to poor people the complexities of health care and insurance in a way that can be understood without having a degree in political science.

I am not responsible for failing to communicate my idea effectively enough so that they can't be twisted and turned to scare poor people into voting for the other party.
I am not responsible for one party speaking stupidly enough and lying in order to win over votes.

All I am responsible for is how I vote. The parties are responsible for everything else.
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Nigel Dazzleham - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 23:37:01 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It will be Trump's fault and his alone when folks like him are hung up by their intestines.
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Shit Baffingfun - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 01:46:46 EST ID:M/0chlkB No.389522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>389468
STFU ANTIFA.
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Jarvis Brookgold - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 04:22:27 EST ID:YxYr7Njp No.389523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389468
>Be child
>Go play with other children
>See child with 12 cupcakes
>Plz share cupcake fellow child
>No
>HOW DARE YOU NOT SHARE THAT CUPCAKE I AM ENTITLED TO YOUR CUPCAKE
>It's my property and I don't have to
>HOW DARE YOU OWN PROPERTY YOU HAVE 12 CUPCAKES AND I HAVE NONE I DEMAND A CUPCAKE
>No, stop it, these are my cupcakes
>I WILL ROB YOU
>Stop! Thief!
>O NO INJUSTICE RACISM HOW DARE YOU I WAS ONLY TRYING TO FORCIBLY REDISTRIBUTE THE CUPCAKES!
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Edward Crecklehood - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 04:27:31 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.389524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Right wingers will always be like fuck yeah Murica, No. 1 as if funds from all other programs are pumped into the military industrial complex. And the politicians doing it will always receive the largest bribes.
It's the perfect synergy.

The only way this can stop is if the right wingers can't afford to reproduce any more, out of lack of social programs.
Darwinism 101.
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Charles Chonnershaw - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:30:31 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389528 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389523
>cupcakes
Hmmm...

Ummm, uh Isn't that one of those whacha call its.. False equivalencies?
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Reuben Bimblefork - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:03:43 EST ID:mtoAMITB No.389530 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389528

Not really, have you even gone up to a socialists alliance booth and ask for some money for the vending machine? They arent very thrilled by the prospect of people using their money to buy sugar water.

This is why rich/middle class folk hate welfare recipients because they see the money people receive on welfare as being their money, money for their roads and school and hospitals, and yet their money goes to some meth head to live in a government owned house.

If you dont contribute to the system then its not your money thats being wasted, but if you do pay taxes and do go to work every day you wait in line for a train home which is late because public transport is underfunded, then you get to your car and have to dodge the potholes on your way home, inside you say hello to your kids who arent getting as much education as they should because their class is overcrowded and the teacher is overworked and underpaid, then you flick on the news and you see advertisements for items and a lifestyle you cant afford and oh there's a show on about welfare cheats and another story about some 18 year olds with pink hair and yell a lot who want to take more of your money, because you're a fucking idiot racist sheep who has no idea what you're doing.

http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/05%20About%20Parliament/54%20Parliamentary%20Depts/544%20Parliamentary%20Library/BriefingBook44p/AustraliaInPictures-5.gif?la=en

Dont get me wrong, i believe in a social service, i believe in universal healthcare and i believe in the welfare system, i just dont think people need to see the other side of it.

Most people wouldnt be on welfare if there was adequate jobs, most people on welfare arent junkies absuing the system and most people on welfare are not long term unemployed. Kids need to grow up not having everything given to them, it sets the wrong expectations.
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Reuben Bimblefork - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:08:03 EST ID:mtoAMITB No.389531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389530

>i just dont think people see the other side of it.

messed that up!
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Rebecca Sattinghall - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:27:35 EST ID:YPXyZD9K No.389533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i'unno, man. everyone tells me that I am smart guy. I kind don't want to drop 5k on an education to end up getting all depressed and being told that I am failure for some bs reason. I don't want to toot my own horn but these coworkers at the retail store are suited for their job on another level that I am. I'unno, man, I kind of feel like maybe I should just blow my brains out as the only solvent to working with retards and being under the jackboot of people willing to put up with the mess that is the american education system. in highschool I felt so fucking under-challenged, and just kept asking why, why, why, why, and ended up dropping out in sophmore year with a 0.5 gpa because of that. meanwhile, all of the people who made it unbearable are doing their simple coursework a day at a time to become lawyers and doctors. boo hoo, right?
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Oliver Pemblehall - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:43:23 EST ID:jZaiCIh4 No.389534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389533

>doing their simple coursework a day at a time to become lawyers and doctors

Funny how that works. Are you noticing a patter yet? Forrest, trees?
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Rebecca Sattinghall - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 10:59:09 EST ID:YPXyZD9K No.389538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389534
yeah i heard that one, i guess i outgrew my minerals too quickly, didn't I?
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Charles Chonnershaw - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:09:58 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389531
Freudian slip?

Tax breaks that favor the rich and hurt the poor and middleclass should anger someone. Doesn't the middle class see that education, infrastructure, and job protections are defunded to provide the ultra rich with tax breaks? That money that will no longer be spent on Medicaid or healthcare or welfare programs isn't going back to the middle class, oh no; it's going to the so called "job creators", the energy barons, the corporations, the wealthiest .1 percent. It is failed Reaganomics trickle down theory that disproportionately hurts the poor and makes the wealthiest even wealthier, putting the brunt of tax dollars towards infrastructure and education on the middle class and the under earners instead of the rich.
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Charles Chonnershaw - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:22:59 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389533
hey man, my op was intended to be a little facetious. I blame myself for maybe being a little ineffective at communicating that. Unfortunately, it is often that these ideas ARE too complex to be understood by the working class. The left did try to simplify the message and make it digestible, however that isn't always enough sad to say.
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Reuben Bimblefork - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:39:06 EST ID:mtoAMITB No.389542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389533

Nobody knows who you are except for you.
You say you're a smart guy, wheres the proof? you say you asked questions in high school yet dropped out with a 0.5GPA, seems contradictory.
Stop blaming others. If you want the world to see you in a certain way then PROVE IT. Do you know what wallowing in your own misery gets you? nowhere.
What do you have to prove? do you even have 5k to drop on an education?


>>389539

I totally agree with you.

But, look at the USA as it currently is, skid row, tent cities in every state, whats happening in the USA isnt working, if you had a shot to make things better at the risk of it making it worse would you do it?
And i suppose thats where we're stuck because half of the people say do it! the other half so dont!
someone needs to make a decision on which way to go.
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Phyllis Fanham - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:12:26 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.389549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're not thinking about this clearly. It's not the fault of the people who were tricked, no, but it's the fault of the people doing the tricking. Stop blaming one side for being encumbered with the truth. Lies are more effective for stupid people because they're pre formulated specifically for them to be able to understand and to make them emotional. We seriously need to start blaming the psychopaths who have accumulated power. We need to seriously start thinking about how to permanently remove them from our society. There's not very many of them and it's pretty easy to figure out who they are. I'd say it's only a matter of time before people just know that this is a struggle between good and evil and that they must act.
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Eugene Surringwater - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:36:05 EST ID:6T2FD4LE No.389554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
White Nationalists are wrong.
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Charles Chonnershaw - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:08:55 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389549
I'm not just blaming one side. I am blaming both sides. One side for their lies and trickery and the other for their inability to convey the realties. I am not blaming the left for being encumbered by the truth, only their seeming incompetence at conveying those truths. I am not blaming those who were tricked by the right, I am blaming the right for their tricks and their lies. It is obvious to everyone which side did more harm, but to say that democrats didn't stumble is to ignore the facets of this election.

>>389554
I'm not arguing that they aren't. I'm letting you know that they have no control over what they are being lied to about.
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Jenny Horringwut - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:50:52 EST ID:zFzMSPLC No.389600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389554
why

i think it's ok
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Nell Sevingshit - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:12:39 EST ID:S0lFvJp3 No.389602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm glad trump won. All i see is people tired of the left and their rhetoric, and worse still all i saw was the left ignoring them- calling them names and acting like snobs that know better then them. I wonder if the left learned their lesson but i highly doubt it.
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Sidney Nenningpore - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:26:46 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389602
Have you been following with what Trump has been up to since he was sworn in? Sometimes people do things that deserve ridicule. Trump is one of them.

I still haven't seen any good policies supported by Trump. All he seems to be doing is redistributing wealth to the wealthy. He also has mafia ties. There's a reason why he quotes The Godfather.
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Nell Sevingshit - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:38:45 EST ID:S0lFvJp3 No.389604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389603

yeah yeah trump is the anti christ 2.0..... But power needs to be checked and thats what a trump victory did. But like i said, will the left learn from this or will they just continue down this path where everyone is a racist or sexist.
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Sidney Nenningpore - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:03:57 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389606 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389604
He isn't checking that power. He's strengthening it. You are not entirely wrong, however. A Trump victory is waking this nation up to it's corruption. So many that never were interested in politics are now interested.

The left needs to learn not to use too much identity politics, but there is nothing wrong with pinpointing and remarking on the intentions of a group of people. Policy is what should matter and the left should squeeze the right when it comes to policy.

Bernies lead is reminding the left that ID politics are second to the policies that should be forefront. That isn't to say civil liberties aren't important.

If only Trump did not frame the whole Islam thing the way that he has. The left won't admit that there are issues with Islam and the Right can't see anything but the issues and do frame it with prejudice.

With that said, Trump truly is a scumbag. His senses are almost always wrong and I am still not convinced that he's some secret genius ready to jump out a golden cake at and second.

There's not a single positive policy of his presidency as of yet, and it's clear to many the point of his presidency is to make it so that those with power have no consequences for what they do. Something you say you care about.
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Nell Sevingshit - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:18:17 EST ID:S0lFvJp3 No.389608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389606

so a trump victory actually was a triumph for the left? The only lesson is "not too much of identity politics" but that lesson doesn't matter because he is going to make the left cool again without the left really needing to do anything?
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Sidney Nenningpore - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:41:20 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389608
No, it wasn't a Triumph. Hillary was the second most disliked presidential candidate in US history next to Trump who is first. We would be battling Hillary but for different reasons. It's good for the left in that it's rallying Democrats, but it is far from a victory because Trump and Republicans at the end of the day rule our government. There is a lot at stake here and if the left doesn't rally strong enough for focused goals then it would be very bad for us; Not just Dems but for the nation.

The left doesn't just sit back and watch it happen. There needs to be an active resistance. The wealthiest people in our nation want to dig into our power structure further. We seen it always but it's the worst now. They are removing checks and balances and kneecapping organizations that Americans depend on (FDA, EPA, various subsidies) especially Repubs in rural areas.


There are Repubs that I do like. Even thought Rand can be a crazy guy, his hearts in the right place. David Frum is also a well spoken and intelligent Republican. This isn't a left versus right thing, both are guilty. It just so happens that the right shares far more guilt. They usually do have racist motives. They usually do want to remove civil rights. They usually are more greedy. And while the left has science deniers (anti vaxx), the right is far worse in general.

Trump didn't want the power to do good for the people. He's a literal narcissist sociopath and as such only worships himself and the mighty dollar.

There's a lot at stake, so don't misunderstand me. I just like to see the positive in really bad situations. Hope is the enemy to apathy. This can end in any way, but I trust the American people and I think we will survive this and perhaps be better off in the end. It's still a terrible situation to be in.
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Emma Bunlock - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:29:07 EST ID:wPIzNzTk No.389612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389610
>rallying Democrats

I think this is oversimplifying and wrong. First of all, Democrats are not the left. Second, Democrats continue to alienate left leaning sympathizers to the point where it's clear they either have no foresight or just don't care about winning elections. So while people are becoming more conscious of our government's corruption and its thinly veiled attempts to double down on it, "the left" is hardly rallying around Democrats. And good fucking riddance.

I mean, ideally democrat loyalists would wake the fuck up and embrace a swell of support in exchange for meaningful socialist policy! But like i said, Democrats are not the left. If anything they are center-right, and these dumbasses seem intent on going down with the ship.

Clinton 2020! lmao
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Sidney Nenningpore - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 00:13:39 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389612
Thanks for the insightful reply. I agree with you. You clarified further and it helped.

HRC might as well be a Republican in many respects. Too many corporate Dems in the party. I would also love for them to get out and leave the party to progressive liberals.

The party is out of it's gourd. They are still flabbergasted as to why Bernie garnered so much public support. Even Republicans like the guy, he has a way of bringing people together on what matters. The current order of Dems will never admit their problems and are oblivious enough to try again with Clinton. Still have no idea why registered Dems has low voter turn-out. I wished we could have cleared out the party and started fresh with Bernie style politicians. We got Tom Perez instead.

When I say the left, I really do mean the Bernie left. The silver lining here is that more and more are accepting to Bernie style politics.
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Jarvis Wommlehark - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:32:52 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>OP-desu!
>Our only responsibility is to vote!
>Literally everything else is the government's fault!
And that is why you and your cronies will never be a big help in altering how this country works for the better. Just like the anarcho-whatever movements who are demanding an entirely different voting structure but can't find a single way of actually trying to make that happen.
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Betsy Buttingped - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:50:40 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389622
I was being facetious you stupid, ugly, worthless piece of human garbage :-)
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Eugene Brovingstone - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:14:10 EST ID:VLZSAHSu No.389654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389622
They're working towards that now with neighborhood based groups and annual spokescouncils, sorta the dual power strategy. Its intentionally including people of all stripes instead of secret club anarcho-whatevers only. We'll see how effective (or not) it is in a good while.
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Barnaby Hishson - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:07:02 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389648
Oh. Well, fuck.
Is it weird I imagined Asuka saying your statement?

>>389654
I'm familiar with what you speak, and I actually totally support it. See, I check out so many groups of people, and I've seen the two sides of the anarchy movements; anarchists repairing their towns and protecting their communities, and anarchists destroying property and banks and inciting violence against Trump supporters and such.

There's always 2 sides to a movement. More than 2, really. Like, look at BLM. On one hand you've got black people trying to make the world a better place for other black people, while on the other hand you've got black people trying to make the world a worse place for white people, one of them even going so far as to shoot like a dozen cops from a rooftop.

Activism is so retarded. On one hand, it's about helping. Yet, on the other hand, it's about being angry and violent. And sadly, it seems as though the latter has become more of a norm, especially seeing as most activists these days seem to have almost no stake in what they're being an activist for. I have a staunch belief that if you aren't directly involved in what's going on, don't become an activist about it because you're definitely going to do something wrong and not realize it since you're so far removed from the reality of the situation you can't form a real, objective opinion.
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Thomas Sollerstock - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:58:08 EST ID:Tcte88KQ No.389672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389660
>I have a staunch belief that if you aren't directly involved in what's going on...
That is such a flawed way of thinking.
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Wesley Drurryshaw - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:28:35 EST ID:wfmKplR+ No.389716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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OP, your responsibility is to try to pay as much attention to current events as you can so that you know what's going on. In this is required some sense about how journalism and the media work. And also the mechanisms between business, politicians and what trickles down to effect the commonwealth.

Most of this stuff is far beyond the layman, because it's simply too complex (often on purpose) or people just don't have the time or energy to research and stay informed. The American and the western world in general day to day life is pretty busy, and filled with a lot of stimulation that will absorb your attention.

Our duty is to, to the best of our ability, do that, and then to use that information to vote best for our country. The American people have done this, there is just too much going on in our country that has impacted our ability to see the cracks in the infrastructure of our government. We may know there is a crack, but we don't have the know how to fix it.

This sense of duty, to stay informed and to vote in the best interests of the country, is very strong and is a great tool for manipulation. And there are many entities that would be very glad to use mental/emotional manipulation to further their own agendas, ad revenue, whatever. The state of modern politics is the only thing that can be blamed for current events as far as politics go at least. And of course there is some kind of causality within our government and its complacency and resistance to reform, within the media and their 24 hour news cycle and sensationalism, and within America's crippling big business greed and unsavory practices.

These are all pretty titanic forces on their own, that could lead to very hard times for the citizens, who simply aren't well enough equipped with knowledge and mechanisms within government to fix these issues. But the fault lies in the environment and underlying factors. No fault goes to the individual citizen.
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Shit Bardwell - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:29:08 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389672
Well, I believe that becoming an activist about something you have no direct stake in will only be a detriment to the activism, itself. I think the main reason almost every activist movement falls flat on its face is because it's started by grass-roots, directly involved, dedicated folk, who then present their issue and their cause, and then their cause is championed by more people who are not directly involved or effected, and those people steer the movement in the wrong direction, because they have little to no idea of what's actually going on, they're just on a righteous bandwagon.

But, if you think I'm wrong, I'd love to know why. I'd love to hear a logical reason as to why you think people not directly involved in an issue should become activists about it. Because, in my opinion, quality trumps quantity, and a high quantity of non-directly-involved activists is what ruins activism on the whole, where as small groups of grass-roots people who wield the law and wield intelligent lawsuits can change everything, like what happened during the original HIV outbreak, when pharmaceuticals started charging outrageous prices for HIV meds. The pharmaceuticals were defeated, not by a million marching retards, but by a handful of dedicated activists who educated themselves to the point of victory.
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Wesley Drurryshaw - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:39:18 EST ID:wfmKplR+ No.389720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389719
I half agree with you, because I do think people that are ignorant of the struggle that the activism is about will water down the message and possibly directly hurt their goals, but at the same time that would limit activism a lot. I don't think they are the sole reason that activist groups go belly up every time. I think that the media has a lot to do with it, as they really like to morph any movement to fit their narrative and agenda, and often how the media portrays something, is exactly how most people see it.
Eithery way though, without all the people not directly affected by these issues, a lot of these movements would be done before they started, because the groups are so small or disenfranchised. Sometimes they need people uninvolved to champion their cause.
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Shit Bardwell - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:31:49 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389720
Well, let's talk about historic examples here. Let me bring up an example.
Occupy Wallstreet.
First it was a movement championed by people who wanted to make Wallstreet legally responsible for causing massive damage to the housing market via seemingly illegal practices connected with subprime mortgages that were massively bundled up.
I checked out Occupy in Philly after probably a year of the movement starting, and I must say I was pretty disgusted with what I saw. Teens preaching communism, bums demanding hand-outs, every night was a party, drugs and alcohol and human feces everywhere. The movement had nothing to do with Wallstreet anymore. Hell, when I was there, they were making up a list of demands over a megaphone, and the demands were just ridiculous, just tons of communist rhetoric and irrational demands. Liberal friends of mine went to Occupy with all these ridiculous signs, like, 'my education is more important than your profits' and so on and so forth.

Now, what if Occupy Wallstreet was just comprised of the people who actually were effected (directly) by the housing market crash, like just tens of thousands of people who all lost their homes due to bullshit, and they all unified a case against Wall Street, with none of the Occupy Wallstreet bullshit I saw in Philly or saw in the news about the other cities? They'd all have a very real problem that unifies them in their goal, and a goal that is clear and concise and wide-spread, which would just purely be justice for the victims of the housing market crash and penalties against some of the big banks and credit agencies that knew what was going on but ignored it or deliberately pursued shitty deals just to make an extra buck. I think that would have gone over a lot better and something would have been accomplished. I think Occupy is a solid example of a time where a massive quantity of activists not directly involved in the situation took over and steered the whole movement toward different tangent directions, none of which had to do with Wallstreet reforms.

Another issue I have is that the demands these movements make are insane. Occupy, BLM, even Standing Rock, they just always make demands that are way out of their league, and then nobody even considers trying to meet them in the middle. These activist movements just get stretched thinner and thinner as more and more causes get involved and more demands are made, and then nothing gets accomplished and after several years the movement loses enough steam to essentially shut down for good.

I want activism to work, I just know that as long as activist groups keep getting filled up with non-directly-involved activists who have more goals in mind than just what the activist movement was founded on, you end up with a failing activist movement very quickly.
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Tom Paris - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:33:16 EST ID:fTfnckBr No.389722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>All I am responsible for is how I vote. The parties are responsible for everything else.

You are responsible. For everything.
I'm responsible for everything.

Nobody is innocent. There is no such thing as innocence.
We are one species, living on one planet. We are all in this together.

No one is an island.

Every time you buy some luxury you don't need, you are paying taxes that go to the government. They then use that money to do such wonderful things as burn children alive, and train DEA agents to break into your home and lock you in a cage for smoking a plant.

I can either buy that new video game I want, or I can not. I do not need it in the slightest.
If i buy, the government gets my money.
If I do not, they don't.

How many people continue to buy things they don't need, knowing their money goes towards things they find repulsive? I know I do. I but things I don't need despite hating the state and the things they do with my money.

In some degree, I am complicit no matter what I would like to think.
In some degree, you are complicit.

Of course there are matters of degree. I'm not saying you are as bad as the rich tyrant. His hands are completely covered in blood. Yours isn't, but it has a few drops.

I am the problem.
You are the problem.
We all are the problem.
Humanity is the problem.
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Tom Paris - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:01:19 EST ID:fTfnckBr No.389723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> It is obvious to everyone which side did more harm

Tell that to the daughter of a woman blown up by a drone under the Obama administration.
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Wesley Crondlefoot - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:08:24 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP is a great example of why you should never make a satirical claim on the internet. People will always take you seriously, whether they agree or disagree with your satirized premise.
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Lillian Brommleleck - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:24:19 EST ID:Tcte88KQ No.389754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389723
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN HAD THIS WAR
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Phineas Bezzlebidge - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:50:59 EST ID:wfmKplR+ No.389771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389754
We should have listened to Ron Paul. Yeah ha ha funny meme but he was right about a lot of things that are coming back to bite us in the ass hard.
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Hamilton Bellerpug - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:19:43 EST ID:hJJOFBLH No.389789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389722
Sales tax goes to your State, not the Federal government. The only way to get out of paying federal taxes, is to have no income.
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Henry Brucklefield - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:20:14 EST ID:NmweLP+h No.389805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389789
>The only way to get out of paying federal taxes, is to have no income.
This doesn't paint the full picture. There are excise taxes (don't buy gas, beer or cigarettes & don't fly anywhere, etc.), and estate and gift taxes. there's also the tax on imported goods, but that probably counts as an excise tax.
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Martha Follercheck - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:38:43 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389789
Ever heard of a tax write-off? You don't have to pay taxes if you've got enough write-offs.
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Eliza Drullyfoot - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:59:34 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.389809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389771
>We should have listened to Ron Paul.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
The problem was that he was an Austrian, the psychoanalysis of economics.

We need things like progressive income tax, consumer protections, worker protections, the civil rights act, the EPA, etc to not be a capitalist dystopia.

Von Mises related.
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Charles Trotwater - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 16:46:18 EST ID:iEfdC2fb No.389816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah, we got people being high and mighty, like poor people who voted for Trump are getting what they asked for and getting burned. We are told to choose between two proven liar, scumbag humans and then riddled with contradictory statements and proofs from either side.

there is no clear way to view what is happening, we are all being manipulated. i'm sick of people trying to paint either side of voters as moronic or deserving of punishment, all I see is victims and oppressors
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Jack Hickledale - Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:29:19 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389816
>Implying Trump voters have any critical thinking ability.

Dude, those fuckers could lose everything DIRECTLY because of a law Trump supported, and they would still vote twice for him!
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Jack Govingbot - Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:02:22 EST ID:BRv0D0mL No.389894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389809

Don't compare psychoanalysis to austrian economics, that's absurd


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