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Gerrymandering by Clara Blazzlestone - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 00:55:32 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Let's talk about it.

Here's an excellent video describing it and why its important:
https://youtu.be/D6GTpyhCL80
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Betsy Paffingstone - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 11:23:28 EST ID:3F7HGDAB No.389483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thanks for posting the video OP, very informative.
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Caroline Dronnerham - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 11:29:33 EST ID:nSpV6TpJ No.389484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I learned this in school over a decade ago, real bad stuff. Don't like.
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Sophie Fusslestirk - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:49:55 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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We need laws against this kind of thing. People ought to be represented in a manner that aligns with common sense, not with political convenience.
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Lillian Firrybanks - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 00:07:04 EST ID:VLZSAHSu No.389518 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389497 Well said.

We need a different system of decision-making altogether that still retains democracy.
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Charles Chonnershaw - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:31:29 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389518
What we need is our Republic back. We are turning into too much of a democracy.
We need those that are more educated and informed to be deciding policy as was the case when this country was founded. Now we have those representing the lowest common denominator making the decisions that the stupidity of the masses dictate.
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Lillian Saddlewater - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:55:50 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389541
Even if we have a representative republic rather than a direct democracy, the republic ought to be demarcated along lines that correspond to roughly the same population sizes and represent a diversity of opinions rather than one. Otherwise, we have tyranny of one group over another, which is not a very good republic or democracy at all.
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Phyllis Hibblehall - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:31:54 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.389547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389541
Instead of becoming less democratic and hoping the people in power act in our collective interests instead of their personal interests, what if we:
Better educate the people so they can understand their own interests
Give the FCC the power to require both sides of a story be covered (and anyone attacked be given an opportunity to respond) so they can understand how to best achieve their interests
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Shitting Shakelock - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:02:05 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.389548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP picture is retarded.
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Charles Chonnershaw - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:52:55 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389547
It sounds good in theory, but can we realistically do this? The founders thought not; that there would be freedom of ignorance and to be wary of the population. This inherent distrust seems cynical, but that was the basis of the republic because force educating the entire population seemed untenable. I do think we can present the information to every citizen, to make regulations that made sure all public education was equal, to introduce reforms and regulations that made the incentives of staying in school so beneficial that we could effectively eliminate the drop out rate, that we could make higher education tuition free, I do believe that humans can do this, but by what means? I just don't know how to do it without first setting up a Republic that is composed of the best and brightest acting in our collective interests first.

There are grave flaws in our democracy that would prevent everyone from getting an equal education even if we all agreed to spend money to better educate the people. I mean it is such a huge undertaking.
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Fuck Follyweck - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:53:19 EST ID:N7VKcDhz No.389559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389548
how so? that's literally how gerrymandering works. concentrate opposing party voters into as few districts as possible, spread our supporting party voters to be able to win just barely over 50%. that's how you maximize your party's gains and vice versa. it's a perfect representation, really.

you know what would solve all of this though? proportional allocation.
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Lillian Saddlewater - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:56:02 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389559
You can mathematically demonstrate fair representation. The fact is, supporters of a more "Republican" style representation system don't want fair representation through a republic. They like it specifically because it is unfair.
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Sidney Punnerkatch - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:45:05 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.389562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389559
He's a troll. He's been shitting up the environmental thread with really dumb statements.
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Samuel Sellyhood - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:23:16 EST ID:VLZSAHSu No.389570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389541
Ben Franklin urged the Founding Fathers to hurry up and write the constitution because the people of the colonies were carrying about their lives and would soon find out they didn't need them to begin with.


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