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Played like a damn Fiddle: War with Syria by Thomas Fonnercheg - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 22:54:09 EST ID:MBZ+rwoO No.390493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-weighing-military-options-following-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/2017/04/06/0c59603a-1ae8-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.ef14adb502bc

>The U.S. military launched 59 cruise missiles at a Syrian military airfield late on Thursday, in the first direct American assault on the government of President Bashar al-Assad since that country’s civil war began six years ago.

Thank God we voted for Trump, who will make sure we never come close to war with Russia!
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Soviet Psychonaut - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 22:57:38 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.390494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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My angus is clenched tight
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Thomas Fonnercheg - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 23:22:57 EST ID:MBZ+rwoO No.390497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390494

What has it been, 73, 74 days? And he has already directly attacked a Russian client state lolol

>Pic is mfw if Russians died in the strike
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Hamilton Firryhall - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 23:38:02 EST ID:eFgokDJU No.390498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7xR46ngNzE

Fucking GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING NEOCONS WE SHOULD HAVE HUNG THEM ALL AFTER IRAQ THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DONT PUNISH WAR C-R-I-M-I-N-A-L-S
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Hamilton Firryhall - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 23:41:33 EST ID:eFgokDJU No.390499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390498

The framing of all the big news outlets is so obviously on the side of the military industrial complex. THE POOR CHILDREN CHEMICAL WEAPONS RUSSIA DURR DURR DURR. What about the tens of thousands of children that will die from our miles? Oh but I guess it doesn't matter because they explode instead of suffocate to death.
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Nicholas Gagglebeck - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 23:43:59 EST ID:zAl/v/GC No.390500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>420chan being fucking idiots

What's new?

He warned Russia ahead of time. It was direct on the chemical weapons, stopping more innocents dying. Literally zero killed so far.

All he did was make his mark on these third world shits. Thinking we're going to war is literally 4skin /pol/ thinking.
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Alice Greencocke - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:13:20 EST ID:MyuDzBUL No.390502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390500

I see you're still operating under the belief that Assad was responsible for this chemical attack. Go ahead and keep believing what the U.S. government and media tell you, after all, they were right when it came to Saddam's WMDs, weren't they?

Even if it Assad who authorized the attack, the U.S. has no business intervening in the affairs of another country. Have we not learned in the past? We created Al Qaeda, we created ISIS, when will we learn that anytime we stick in our hands where they do not belong, we inspire militant groups to wage war against us?

Why can the USA not mind it's own fucking business? Why do we insist on throwing our weight around the world in matters that do not concern us? Let the Middle East handle the Middle East, let Asia handle the South China Sea. It is none of our fucking business, it doesn't matter if fucking babies are being farmed and BBQ'd as luxurious meals for some Sultan, it's none of our fucking concern.

But again, this is all assuming that Syria is responsible for the attack. Why would they be? They disposed of their weapons in 2013, they're winning the fucking war, why would they intentionally sabotage themselves and give justification for Cheeto Man to invade? They didn't. The chemical attack was a false flag. Either ISIS or the US did it. No amount of dead babies on TV is going to make me hate Assad, that man is a better leader than the ones in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Egypt, etc. Only reason he's catching heat is cause he refused to let the Israeli's build a pipeline through his country.
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Augustus Gonkinwuck - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:16:18 EST ID:HZmApooN No.390503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390500
It's cathartic seeing the alt right trolls freak out about this though.
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Thomas Fonnercheg - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:16:46 EST ID:MBZ+rwoO No.390504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390502

Yeah guys, it's the rebels using their own airforce to drop poison gas on people! The rebels and their big old airforce, dropping poison gas all over the country in different areas, even those outside of proper rebel lines.

Fuckin' dork lol
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Thomas Fonnercheg - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:18:14 EST ID:MBZ+rwoO No.390505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390499

Hey, Trump is the one who have a press conference about his attack where he brought up the kids again and again LOL

You blame the media for that when they're just reporting the first official statement he made to the country about the strike?

K e k s i m u s m a x i m u s
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Oliver Darrytudging - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:25:47 EST ID:MqC/+Wc8 No.390506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390504
Yeah, those freedom loving moderate rebels that behead small children, eat the hearts of dead soldiers and receive US funding.
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Eugene Pandlehall - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:33:26 EST ID:DpawSB1v No.390507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Honestly, I'm dreading the next while when the dogmatic anti-imperialists will surface, and wherein they will give uncritical support to the Assad regime without any sort of consideration whatsoever as to what the position of the revolutionary forces in the SDF think.
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Shit Billingstock - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:56:52 EST ID:qIUC5SK3 No.390508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390504
Good to know you're arguing in good faith and not just hysterically talking out of your ass. The competing claim is that a government airstrike hit a warehouse containing a stockpile of chemical weapons, not that the opposition magically conjured up an airforce. It's fucking obscene that people are treating skepticism about this as tantamount to genocide denial or something given the US' long history of lying about shit to start wars, the fact that by carrying out such an attack at this phase in the war, when the government has a clear upper hand and only recently Tillerson was willing to accept a role for Assad makes very little strategic sense, the fact that the White Helmets video contains some major inconsistencies (big surprise there), the fact that chemical weapons were used against SAA-held west Aleppo and nobody in the west gave a shit, etc. The point is not that its inconceivable that it was carried out by the government, but that it;s transparently being used as a pretext for (further) intervention and possibly outright war without even the most token effort to verify which allegations are true and which are false. And in any case at the end of the day you can't ignore the stunning hypocrisy in the US, KSA, and Israel condemning the attack and calling for "humanitarian intervention" when only a couple weeks ago, for example, the US killed more than 200 civilians in an airstrike. The Saudi's have regularly bombed hospitals, schools, weddings in Yemen with our support. We frequently do the same in Afghanistan. Just stunning that people are still falling for this shit without a second thought.
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Alice Greencocke - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 01:04:27 EST ID:MyuDzBUL No.390509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390504

I never said it was the Free Syrian Army. I said it was either ISIS or the US.

The US has conducted plenty of false flag operations over the decades. They've shot down planes, denied it, only to apologize when proof is shown. They've assassinated leaders, etc. They've even poisoned and conducted military tests on unknowing U.S. citizens within the U.S. border. As Trump once said, "These are some bad hombres."

Do I put it beyond the USA to bomb a village full of innocent people with sarin gas, and then point the finger at Assad? Nope.

But at the same time, ISIS is losing, and ISIS would very much so benefit from Assad's forces being targeted by the USA — at one point ISIS held a lot of ground, they had captured a lot of FSA and SRY assets, possibly chemical weapons, and I think they should totally perform a mortar bombardment. That would challenge the narrative of it being an airstrike, but so far, I've seen no evidence proving this was an air craft attack to begin with. Easily could've been carried out with mortars.
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Alice Greencocke - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 01:09:20 EST ID:MyuDzBUL No.390510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390509

>I think they should totally perform a mortar bombardment

Looool, I mean **could**, not *should*. Shit, now I'm on the list. Who am I kidding? I've been on the list for years.
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George Billingbanks - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 01:32:09 EST ID:aDXQudf1 No.390512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390510
Candy corn is America's favorite candy. I wouldn't have believed it months ago.
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Wesley Blicklechidge - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 03:19:38 EST ID:RT2A1jif No.390515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I really hope that this is part of some sort of actual plan and not just Trump trying to wave his dick around because of what he saw on TV. Looks like Clinton's approach would've ben the better one in the end.
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Shit Billingstock - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 04:00:04 EST ID:qIUC5SK3 No.390516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390515
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-hillary-clinton-idUSKBN179058
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Cedric Fuckingspear - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 09:52:47 EST ID:Innm+Fwl No.390526 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390516
I'm generally in favour of a more aggressive approach towards Assad; what worries me is that this abrupt shift in policy isn't due to some new dimension of atrocities commited by the Syrian regime, so I can absolutely imagine Trump changing course again because of some other random event. If instead of picking one of the plans developed by the department of state, he keeps erratically jumping between appeasement and aggression, the US will end up in a situation where they charge into a preexisting conflict and find it difficult to find the right point to pull out - sound familiar?
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Edward Meppernutch - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 10:17:14 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.390530 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390503
I assure you, it felt more cathartic seeing the liberals freak out when he won, but yes, this is cathartic and shitty.

>>390526
Warhawk.
Care to explain your reasoning for endorsing this violence?
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Graham Crubberhall - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 10:36:40 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.390531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390493
It's pretty clear that Russia's claim is bullshit, ISIS isn't even in the area.
Also, blowing up sarin destroys enough of it that it's no longer an effective chemical weapon, that's how it was destroyed it during the gulf war.
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Shit Billingstock - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 11:19:39 EST ID:qIUC5SK3 No.390534 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390531
Idlib is a well known stronghold of Islamist opposition groups hostile to the SARG and Russia. That's clearly who "terrorists" refers to in this context, whether you agree with it or not. I don't see how ISIS is even relevant here. Bombs can damage things without directly exploding on top of them. Buildings collapse, debris flies around... at the end of the day, whether the Russian claims are plausible or not seems like something that needs to be determined by a team of neutral investigators on the ground rather than idle speculation from people halfway across the world. Plus it's not like the rebels' accusations are free of inconsistencies. You don't handle sarin-contaminated bodies without hazmat suits or even gloves, for one.
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Eliza Cladgestone - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 11:34:47 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.390535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/russian-warship-headed-towards-us-navy-destroyers-who-launched-syria-attack-fox-news/
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Graham Crubberhall - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 11:37:44 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.390536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390534
>You don't handle sarin-contaminated bodies without hazmat suits or even gloves, for one.
Sarin is a very unstable molecule.
While it can last in cool, dark containers for weeks to months, once dispersed, it tends to last a very short time.
The time decreasing if there's more dispersal, heat, light, or lower-purity sarin.

This being a best-case scenario for the degradation of sarin, it's not particularly surprising that the people handling the bodies several minutes after dispersal didn't show any sign of exposure.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 12:25:40 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.390538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No vodka was spilled in the sand
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Archie Drasslestock - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 12:54:55 EST ID:YPXyZD9K No.390540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>kurds
>turds
rofl i cant take these guys seriously
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Jarvis Clemblestock - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:23:28 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.390584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Assad kills scores of innocent women and children in massive chemical weapon attack, and mutilates dozens more...
>US retaliates with strategic attack targeting military base. Nobody killed or injured, but it sends a clear message to Assad and his backers.
>Liberals flip their shit (again)

Now let's explore the other possibility:

>Assad kills scores of innocent women and children in massive chemical weapon attack, and mutilates dozens more.
>Trump's reaction to this atrocity is to sit on his ass and do nothing, much to Putin's delight.
>Liberals flip their shit (again)

I swear to God, these people can be such blithering fucking morons sometimes. One minute they're railing against Trump for "siding with Russia" and the next they're licking Putin's ballsack.
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Thomas Wucklewill - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:35:00 EST ID:rSCOCuPW No.390586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390584
you are very bad at reading situations. especially considering there are a ton of republicans flipping their shit...
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Graham Goodson - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:42:39 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.390588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390584
Do you really think it's that one-dimensional? For the one thing, there's a huge difference between sitting on your ass and doing nothing and taking a directly militarily provocative action, which we are just lucky Russia didn't respond to more forcefully.

For another thing, the scenario where Trump is to some extent a puppet of Russia and also where he takes provocative action against Russia aren't mutually exclusive. If I were a KGB strategic planner, I would think I would have a very low likelihood of installing or pushing into power a US president who is completely obedient to Moscow. But I would think it would be much easier to find someone who is naive or inexperienced enough to be manipulated and goaded into confronting Russia on the exact terms that are favorable to Russia, and by careful psychological misdirection actually achieve my long term goals. Far fetched, perhaps, but not impossible.
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Nigel Bardforth - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 00:12:30 EST ID:qIUC5SK3 No.390600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390536
That was obviously far from my main point, which has yet to be addressed, (again I don't doubt sarin was involved or claim to know the truth, just extremely skeptical of the way the attack has been seized upon by western press) but the CDC procedures for decontaminating victims are pretty stringent. And the White Helmets are alleged by Swedish Doctors for Human Rights, among others, to have fabricated evidence multiple times in the past.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750001.html
http://theindicter.com/swedish-doctors-for-human-rights-white-helmets-video-macabre-manipulation-of-dead-children-and-staged-chemical-weapons-attack-to-justify-a-no-fly-zone-in-syria/

In any case, almost the exact same thing happened with Ghouta; the claim that the government carried out the attack was immediately and widely reported as fact, but followup reports by independent investigators casting doubt on that assertion were utterly ignored with only a few exceptions. From a former UN weapons inspector and current MIT professor:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf

Anyway it seems like people's minds are already set on it. Just please remember how our crocodile tears got a million Iraqi civilians killed, and how we protected them from Saddam by destroying their infrastructure and saturating their homes with depleted uranium. I'm sure all those Libyans who died in the Mediterranean or were lynched by rebels were likewise thankful for our help. Bombing the country with the highest standard of living in Africa back into the stone age was surely a small price to pay. Now if you'll excuse me I need to collect some of that sweet sweet Kremlin money.
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Shit Briddleson - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 00:57:29 EST ID:MBZ+rwoO No.390601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390600

Is the CDC on the ground in bombed out Syrian cities making sure everyone follows best practices and has the protective equipment to do so?

Did you see the pictures of one of the burned out supply depots at the airbase the U.S. bombed, where there were dozens of canisters (Some empty and punctured) of chemical gas out in the open afterwards? I'll post some.

Accompanying this post is an image of chemical weapons in storage canisters being inspected.
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Shit Briddleson - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 00:59:16 EST ID:MBZ+rwoO No.390602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390601

Here is an image from the ground at Shayrat airbase showing the same kinds of canisters, some used, some punctured by the blast) outside one of the aircraft shelters.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 09:11:49 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.390603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390602
And how do you know there's sarin in there?
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Thomas Fuckinghall - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 10:04:08 EST ID:BJeQycfg No.390606 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390603
Clearly they're keeping it next to the yellow cake and aluminum tubes for safekeeping
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Shitting Greendock - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 11:17:26 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.390608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Isn't it the role of Congress to vote on and declare war? Isn't it illegal for the executive branch to just use the armed forces willy nilly? Not that it hasn't been going on for decades.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 11:27:27 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.390609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390608
>The White House also worked to row back on any suggestion of wider US involvement to remove the Assad regime.
>Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, said they would continue to focus on the mission to defeat Isil in Syria, and would even work - indirectly -alongside Damascus to achieve the aim.
>He described the strike as a punishment to remind the Assad regime that there has to be a "mutual level of human decency" in its behaviour. But he added that this action was separate to their wider national security goals.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/07/donald-trumps-syria-strikes-not-start-campaign-topple-assad/

Congress is fucking useless though, but you're right.
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Phoebe Gonkinwedging - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 11:31:49 EST ID:gEV5KR/T No.390610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The strike was so ineffective wouldn't be surprised if Putin himself gave the target. Sad, weak president.
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Albert Curringcocke - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 11:50:20 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.390611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390610
And the 59 tomahawk missiles worth 1.4 mil each are very probably more valuable than the infrastructure they damaged.

But the US navy has to restock them which makes Boeing very happy.
Mission accomplished I guess.
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Frederick Dinderham - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:07:14 EST ID:zRmVzsZv No.390612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390603
I think some shells which carried the sarin gas (the chemical that has been used by Assad in the past (he also blamed the rebels)) were identified after the strike. Then it's just about comparing the shells. I have only heard about Daesh using chlorine gas and not sarin, besides Daesh isn't even near Idlib.
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Lillian Winningfire - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:08:09 EST ID:RT2A1jif No.390613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390609
Wow, so he doesn't have any sort of coherent strategy after all. This is what I was worried about.
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Oliver Niffingleg - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:20:33 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.390614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390613
Never expect anything more from Trump, brother. He's not going to suddenly wisen up and become smarter or less egotistic. He'll be the way he is since birth till his last day.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:23:26 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.390615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390611
>>390610

I'll take a few dozen ineffectual tomahawks to stir up some desert over sending Americans to die over dead sandbabies with the possibility of sparking ww3.
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Frederick Dinderham - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:23:56 EST ID:zRmVzsZv No.390616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390611
The fact that people aren't aware of neoliberalism and the military industrial complex, even after we had a president warn us, is saddening.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:44:46 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.390617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:45:57 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.390618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390617
who was phone
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Caroline Toothall - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 14:03:17 EST ID:IaepfqX2 No.390621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390617
>>390618

Right, but doesn't that just mean that all the weapons Assad told them about were destroyed? Genuinely curious here. Were they able to confirm that Syria declared all of their chemical weapons and production facilities?

That said, it really doesn't make sense for the Syrian regime to use chemical weapons when they can't possibly be daft enough not to realize the consequences of that, especially when they were practically winning the war already. Was it just a fuck-up on part of some Syrian military official without the regime being directly involved in the decision-making?

Another possibility is that Russia did it to try to drag the U.S. into yet another clusterfuck in the ME that Russia could use to damage U.S. international prestige and drain U.S.' resources long-term while Russia focuses on other areas of interest. Putin is crafty enough to pull something like that off, but it's a bit /tinfoil/. Thoughts?
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 14:40:20 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.390623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390621
If we're discussing /tinfoil/ then I wager this gas attack was a false flag like previous one's to bait Trump/US into Syria by the same faggots who keep wanting to see Russia and the US get ever closer to war.

You're right it makes no sense. The media likes to portray assad as some Disney villan, but lets get back to reality. Why would you gas your own people when you have the upper hand, normal air campaign has worked for you for the entirety of the conflict, and when you're under an international microscope.

The whole thing reeks of false flag which is why so many Trump supporters, including myself, confused about Trump's response. Especially since it seemed like he was aware of it being bullshit in 2013. It's wishful thinking, but Trump might have seen it for what it is and caused this spectacle to kill the russia narrative and show the world that the United States will finally put its money where its mouth is. That airport supposedly had planes taking off this morning already... so it almost makes it seem like the US attacking the airbase was all for the MSM to lap up.

Then there's potentially Ivanka persuading her father to avenge the dead syrians. Idk, shit is one of the most confusing things I've seen.
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Eugene Donningfuck - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 14:42:15 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.390624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390621
>That said, it really doesn't make sense for the Syrian regime to use chemical weapons when they can't possibly be daft enough not to realize the consequences of that, especially when they were practically winning the war already. Was it just a fuck-up on part of some Syrian military official without the regime being directly involved in the decision-making?

Never assume any sort of rational decision making in these situations.

Regimes like Assad's can get just as crazy as the NorKs do. What they think is "sensible," may very well be bat shit insane. Shit...SENSIBLY...Assad missed his chance at the best outcome. Which would have been a token gesture of democracy...say, some sort of elected body that he could easily control and overrule. Worst comes to worse, he is still in power and the country isn't reduced to fucking rubble. I mean, the place is fucking being leveled bit by bit. Assad is fighting for ownership of dust and ashes in many areas. He is obviously impervious to even basic logic.

Honestly, he probably figured Trump for a non-interventionist. Which, if you go by his tweets and quotes...yeah. I mean, what would you think the "don't bomb Syria," guy will do? Well, not bomb Syria, for one....

Guess he didn't get the memo that Trump is about as predictable as the most unpredictable thing on the planet.
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Ernest Fidgetidging - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 17:02:05 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.390628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390623

Considering the fact that Assad is just a dentist 'puppet' in the Alawite power-structure of official Syria, it's likely the gas attack was perpetrated by a general or military fraction wanting results. The Syrian air-force ran out of proper ammunitions years ago, and barrel bombs isn't exactly reliable. Sarin is pretty easy and cheap to make.
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Ernest Fidgetidging - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 17:04:45 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.390629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390628

Also I'd like to add that the establishment in Syria may have thought that with Trump at the helm, the Western world wouldn't respond to a gas attack beyond angry words.

So yeah, there's plenty of good explanations for this beyond mere tinfoilery.
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Eugene Donningfuck - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 17:32:06 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.390630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390628
Didn't Assad resort to straight chlorine gas for some of his attacks?

Also, how big are these bombing runs? Is this a few barrels out a helicopter or a sustained, attack designed to ideally kill tens of thousands?

I've always wondered if Assad was just very low on this shit and was using small attacks as a terrorism tactic. Drop a few barrels of death gas out the chopper over some neighborhood and after that people will remember. For a LONG time. Make them kinda random and infrequent...maximum terror...minimum outlay.
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Shitting Greendock - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 17:38:00 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.390631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390623

You're STILL a Trump supporter, and STILL confused when he has no real integrity whatsoever? Jesus fuckin Christ dude.
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Beatrice Gundlestadge - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 17:46:28 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.390633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390623
If anything ever was a false flag, the gas attack was. The most plausible scenario is that ISIS/rebels were storing the gas in the facility. Which, even if it wasn't how it happened, is now a bullet proof strategy for ISIS to get the US to come into the war on its side. Just always have chemical weapons at key locations, and whenever you get attacked, the biggest military in the world will give your enemy a bloody nose. It's ingenious

They didn't go through diplomatic channels to verify the claims of Russia, which claims exactly the scenario I described is what happened -- why weren't diplomatic channels pursued to determine the truth of their claim, established an international legal consensus, and then act, rather than just going unilateraly? He's too easy to bait.

You need to wake up about Trump though. He was the great rorschach test. You saw an isolationist in Trump, that illusion was spun for you, that's not your fault. But he's not that guy, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
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Shitting Greendock - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 17:48:57 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.390634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390633

>why weren't diplomatic channels pursued to determine the truth of their claim, established an international legal consensus, and then act, rather than just going unilateraly? He's too easy to bait.

Illegal (nationally and internationally) wars have been the US MO for decades so I don't know why you're surprised or assume it's just a Trump thing
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Beatrice Gundlestadge - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 17:52:02 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.390635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390634
I didn't say it was just a Trump thing. I don't support US military adventurism in any case, and never have. I didn't support Iraq (even back when everyone did) nor Libya, and I definitely don't support this. I'm merely pointing out that many pepes believed that Trump was going to change direction on US foreign policy in that regard and trumpeted him on those grounds. Those people now need to re-evaluate their continued support of him, is all I'm saying.
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Shitting Greendock - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 18:02:10 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.390636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390635

Oh, gotcha. Fair enough
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Shit Briddleson - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 18:31:39 EST ID:MBZ+rwoO No.390639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390633

Trump doesn't actually give a fuck about Assad gassing civilians, but Assad DOES gas civilians lol.

They've done it again and again, dropping shit from planes and helicopters. It's documented.

But have fun with your RT inspired false flag narrative.
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Sidney Bleffingkodging - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 18:33:29 EST ID:T43ZgZvA No.390640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Eh, it might even be good if the rest of global belligerents think that Trump might act rashly. There is the possible opportunity with someone who combines story-book morality with a deep ignorance of complicated cynical realpolitik.
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Nicholas Honeywater - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 20:23:25 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.390643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are there any articles written by people that are experts in this subject that have a fairly clear understanding of the pros and cons of this?
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 22:09:30 EST ID:tnyDUNWj No.390645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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gg
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Soviet Psychonaut - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 22:10:34 EST ID:tnyDUNWj No.390646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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no re
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Angus Dinderford - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 22:38:37 EST ID:j0maiPZP No.390647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390645
Oh look, soviet shithead is back from the dead.
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Nigel Smallson - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 23:44:06 EST ID:UfvjYMvF No.390648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390646

Is this legit? can anyone else confirm?
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Fuck Siblingbury - Sat, 08 Apr 2017 23:50:03 EST ID:wPIzNzTk No.390650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390648
we''l have to wait. the only sources i see that agree with this are partisan tripe
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Nathaniel Honeybanks - Sun, 09 Apr 2017 15:43:40 EST ID:qoUsp2DY No.390656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390648

It's just shit cross posting from 4/8pol
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Alice Billysudge - Sun, 09 Apr 2017 23:44:01 EST ID:rbeVvtfv No.390683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390623
I honestly think my theory is more likely.

I think Assad just doesn't want the Russians to back out of the conflict because he knows the minute they leave hes a goner.
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Ian Clebberfuck - Sun, 09 Apr 2017 23:56:41 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.390685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390648
I doubt it, if just for the fact 20 tanks/artillery wouldn't be able to do a fucking thing.
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Angus Blatherdale - Mon, 10 Apr 2017 01:06:51 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.390686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390685
Exactly. We just bombarded an air base with 5 dozen cruise missiles. A couple of tanks means nothing by comparison.

RT is basically pulling this out of their ass, because if they claimed it was any more then they would look like even bigger liars.
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Doris Bloblingfoot - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:21:51 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.390725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Personally, I am so fucking glad that that crook Clinton and that retard Sanders didn't win. But that being said, all I can say about my POTUS now, just as I've said about my POTUS my entire life, is that he's a fucking traitor. I gave Obama a fair chance in my own heart, and then he proved himself a traitor to me. I gave Trump a fair chance in my own heart, and then he proved himself a traitor to me. Fuck, what I wouldn't give for a real president. A president that doesn't sell out our fucking country to Saudi Arabia. Yet I have yet to see that in my entire life.
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Archie Pittford - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 13:37:13 EST ID:Y2X27ghh No.390734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390725
>A president that doesn't sell out our fucking country to Saudi Arabia.
Well, if a certain part of the electorate didn't reflexively dismiss alternative energy proposals as some kind of liberal conspiracy for Big Climatology, it might be easier to wean yourselves off the Saudi teat.
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Doris Bloblingfoot - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 15:10:20 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.390736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390734
Well, part of the problem is that the green energy initiative is somewhat of a hopeless attempt at environmentalism. The technology sucks, currently, to be blunt.
If the POTUS really cared about the future, and really wanted it to be safe and green, and distance ourselves entirely from OPEC, (s)he'd have us on a clear path to total Nuclear energy. We'd be bringing breeder-reactor technology to the USA. I mean, look at France, something like 90% of their energy is nuclear, and they're considered as having the most successful and clean energy in the world. Not to mention Germany is working on Nuclear Fusion, which would literally make all previous forms of energy obsolete in a major way and rocket us into the future, assuming Nuclear Fusion is spread all through the world.

Yet I'm sure there's more to this Saudi Arabian bullshit than just oil.
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Ernest Brookford - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:20:39 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.390739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390736
Green energy tech is much further a long than people like to claim, and from the historical long view, the money we invested in it over 8 years will eventually reap huge returns.

However, unlike many environmentalists I am very pro-science and think that nuclear energy should be pursued much more strongly. This, along with infrastructure spending, is one of the few things Trump could get done that a Democrat probably couldn't that I would very much support. However, he hasn't shown any sign of wavering from the 'blood for oil' energy plan yet.

Also, the German Nuclear Fusion reactor works, in fact, they were able to recreate their model conditions with fewer than one error per 100,000 magnetic topology vectors. So all that's left is for the system to be replicated and commercialized
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Emma Lightman - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:29:31 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.390741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390739
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Thomas Bardgold - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:27:30 EST ID:EwpW+fQ3 No.390749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390498

Don't worry, lots of anti-war congressmen will clench down on them a bit more. If all goes well (It's just Syria, we're not going to go to war with Russia) this can all be fixed come 2018 congress elections.
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Edwin Cizzlebudge - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:40:00 EST ID:nN1rMW+T No.390766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390734
>>390734
no it wouldnt
the dollar is reserve currency for most of the world and it only really holds that status because everybody trades for oil in USD
the value of the dollar is tied to the volume and price of oil being traded
if everybody stopped using oil the value of our currency would decline tremendously
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Hamilton Pirringwell - Thu, 13 Apr 2017 16:58:03 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.390846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390749

> lots of anti-war congressmen

Are you sure that "lot of anti-war congressmen" even exist?
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Wesley Dellerville - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:11:41 EST ID:uupMwqxz No.390899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390502
nigga u just went full retard
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Nicholas Sodgelene - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 11:49:21 EST ID:FqtcG9EC No.390905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390502
>Either ISIS or the US did it.
ISIS isn't even close to Idlib, you fucking retard. The shell was fired from an artillery piece so how the fuck would the U.S do it?

>No amount of dead babies on TV is going to make me hate Assad, that man is a better leader than the ones in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Egypt, etc.
>One feral dog is better than another

>Only reason he's catching heat is cause he refused to let the Israeli's build a pipeline through his country.
Or it's because he's a violent dictator? Because he's a racist that supports pan-arabic authoritarianism? Because he doesn't give a shit about the people and was ready to destroy the country and use gas rather than give the people democracy? Because he cut off the saftey net? Because he just ignored the drought? Because he released radicals to undermine the opposition?

Do the world a favour and kill yourself, you ba'athist waste of cum.
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Basil Nickleson - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 11:58:18 EST ID:i1eo8CqX No.390908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390905
>Do the world a favour and kill yourself, you ba'athist waste of cum.
Settle down you warmongering edgelord.
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Augustus Bruttinghall - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:00:21 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.390909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Still laughing at everybody who thought a mafia-associated casino and hotel mogul would do good on his promises.
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Fucking Bunderhere - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:11:51 EST ID:IaepfqX2 No.390911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390905

>Or it's because he's a violent dictator? Because he's a racist that supports pan-arabic authoritarianism?

I don't think that has much to do with it. There are lots of horrible leaders that don't get nearly the same attention or heat that Assad does. The biggest reason Assad is catching so much heat is that he's in the middle of a power struggle between various regional and great powers.

If states actually cared so much about dead civilians, they'd spend less on weapons or missile strikes and more on alleviating the famine and drought in Eastern Africa, for example.
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Nicholas Sodgelene - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 13:00:19 EST ID:FqtcG9EC No.390915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390908
Not an argument

>>390911
No doubt the conflict is relevant as the Syrian diaspora are fleeing to Europe.
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Basil Nickleson - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 13:08:29 EST ID:i1eo8CqX No.390916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>390915
>Not an argument
Not a rebuttal
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Ebenezer Bredgebig - Sun, 16 Apr 2017 13:18:11 EST ID:vCCS1XNB No.390917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390915
Because "kill yourself REEEE" is such a substantive and cogent argument to work off of, right?

If you're going to scream and rage like a maladjusted the future refugee them you can't expect anyone to offer real discussion in return, edgelord
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Hamilton Sezzleman - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:52:48 EST ID:T43ZgZvA No.391075 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390911
Assad's country is just too close to TV cameras, strategic resources and western countries. Besides, global outrage is rather fickle and can only really focus on one travesty at a time.
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Martha Dartshit - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:38:27 EST ID:zRmVzsZv No.391122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390917
Read the thread you fucking dumbass
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Reuben Brookforth - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:37:38 EST ID:Z5u3SrSH No.391130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391122
Not sure what you're so buttmad about but it looks like you're whining at the wrong person. Maybe pay attention next time so you don't shit up the wrong thread, retard. Nb
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Eugene Dacklewell - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:36:12 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.391215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391075
That's what happens when you piss off Saudi Arabia and try to drop the USD; you're suddenly considered a 'too-violent' leader and you get a smear campaign thrown your way, and while that smear campaign is still being debunked the US already uses it as ammunition to justify their indirect acts of war.
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Martin Blimblebick - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:16:11 EST ID:T43ZgZvA No.391216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391215
Well he's allied with Iran (hence why the Saudis hate him) and he has killed a ton of civvies.
>you get a smear campaign thrown your way
I'm sure some media is over-hyping the bad stuff Assad does as well as possibly blaming him for things he is innocent of. I'm sure they also happily pass over Saudi crimes in Yemen.

However, it is simply not credible at this stage to argue that Assad hasn't committed war-crimes on a massive level.

Stick to the second Iraq war for a CIA-lies-narrative. It fits so much better there.
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George Brooklock - Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:18:22 EST ID:q/8mfYxo No.391371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390493
Fannin drops out
3 other advisors drop out
Trump anti-science
Advisor bases budget on speech, military expands
Healthcare still a disaster
Republicans in congress remain dumbly stalwart
Trump says wall for drugs, news claims no one impressed

I don't know what you expect?
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Ebenezer Climmermitch - Wed, 26 Apr 2017 20:16:06 EST ID:zm6+bc30 No.391380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>390610

it took out 20% of syria's air force while he was eating ramen with mr. china. agree or disagree with the reasoning but i dont see how you could call it "ineffective"
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Lydia Famblefun - Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:41:14 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.391385 Report Quick Reply
>>391380

Bullshit. They moved the planes ahead of time because Trump told Russia, Russia tipped off Assad. Less than 20 hours later they were back to bombing civvies. Where are you getting your info?
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Reuben Murdforth - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:14:31 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.391447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>391385

Where are you getting yours?

TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN PLANT!!! THE FUCKING RUSSIANS ARE UNDER MY BED AGAIN!! MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT!!! What a fucking joke.


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