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UK elections 2017 by Corbyn Critter - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:11:18 EST ID:YG5Or+6H No.391094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Antifa would support Jeremy Corbyn UK Politics 2017 since he called for taking to the streets right.
@ Corbyn Critter - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:22:12 EST ID:YG5Or+6H No.391095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Same people for him and Bernie. PS i like this one better > Will spread them both around lightning fast.
Hugh Clayforth - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:00:03 EST ID:QK8mfsjv No.391098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In what word does it make sense to equate social democracy with communism? The world of an ideologue?
Hamilton Sezzleman - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:21:45 EST ID:T43ZgZvA No.391103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Isn't Corbyn part of the reason the Tories are gonna clean house and the UK get raped to pieces by a rock-hard brexit?

He sure as hell cant seem to get the British electorate to like him anyway...
Ebenezer Fublingwat - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 01:07:27 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.391114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seems hard to tell if the electorate really doesn't like him, or if the British media is waging a staggeeing, unrelenting, almost unprecedented smear job on the guy
Hamilton Brammerlore - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 03:01:36 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.391115 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah, it's hard to tell if the Labour party fell apart because Corbyn became leader or because from the moment he became leader every goddamn media outlet has been screaming that Labour is falling apart. The way the "new labour" faction of the party immediately threw a fucking tantrum and tried to re-do his election was pathetic as well.

I mean, they keep saying nobody wants to vote for him, but the reason he's still party leader is because his public support completely overwhelmed the party establishment. There's a narrative that he's an unlikeable crackpot whose politics alienate normal people that doesn't hold up any time he actually talks to the public.
Charles Clindlewill - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:09:02 EST ID:bMjekVKn No.391116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
tbh Corbyn becoming PM is about as likely as Brexit or Trump winning....
Redbug Slayer - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:23:09 EST ID:YG5Or+6H No.391117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When it's down you keep it down. He's trying to go populist identifying with the violence in the USA to stand up here too. Keep this turd down i say - good responses to the meme so far. Tnx whoever for making it, taking Corbyn Commie truth viral asap.
Charles Clindlewill - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:20:57 EST ID:bMjekVKn No.391118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>fighting a meme war.
what are you a child?
Hamilton Brammerlore - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:29:13 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.391119 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not sure what this post means. Anyone?
Phyllis Goodman - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:01:24 EST ID:DiXMKba0 No.391120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Martha Dartshit - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:56:17 EST ID:zRmVzsZv No.391121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Antifa would support Jeremy Corbyn UK Politics 2017
>anarchists and socialists would support establishment politician
Redbug Slayer - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 09:01:13 EST ID:YG5Or+6H No.391144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Still far less ignorant and making more of a difference with memes than most adults sweety sweaty, especially you little Charlie brown.
John Creddlemedge - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:02:08 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.391147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sure that's what you tell yourself
Ernest Brookforth - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:29:48 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.391148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It happened in the US, it can happen in the UK
Martin Pickham - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:55:30 EST ID:zRmVzsZv No.391149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It happened in the US
When? Anarchists and socialists have far removed themselves from the actual, american, political climate since the haymarket bombing. They only exist in the form of antifa and a few academic clubs, incredibly small in size. There isn't even a broader youth movement like in France, Spain or Canada, etc.
Jarvis Dashlad - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 12:29:46 EST ID:+JYPUIIL No.391151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Who cares who Antifa supports. They are one of the most politically irrelevant forces out there. Since the 50s they have lost basically every battle they have partaken in. They have won nothing politically. All of their opponents have made gains in mainstream politics where as antifa are still breaking trash cans.
Ernest Brookforth - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 13:20:56 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.391152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What do you mean, "when"? This literally just happened, and even after the election they (antifa) are still throwing tantrums over the democrats' loss. Hillary is establishment to the core, yet they absolutely adore her. Because she spews their exact same accusatory crap, calling anyone who doesn't support her a racist/sexist/nazi/homophobe/whatever. She's like their God-Queen, or something.
John Creddlemedge - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 13:53:42 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.391154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Antifa adores Hillary Clinton
>being this entrenched in a right wing info-bubble
Jack Bebberstune - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:36:00 EST ID:/aAxVrLx No.391158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>antifa adores Hillary Clinton
hehe, hehehe, heuhuehua AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

nigga are you really this dumb?
Hannah Hacklehall - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:39:26 EST ID:i1eo8CqX No.391160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Hillary is establishment to the core, yet they absolutely adore her.
I'm starting to think you don't actually know what antifa is. Are you just repeating words you don't understand to try to fit in?
Martin Pickham - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:52:15 EST ID:zRmVzsZv No.391163 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They don't want capitalism nor a state. How delusional are you to think they like Clinton? Binary thought here. "any1 not emperor trump folowar is librul"
Redbug Slayer - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:00:21 EST ID:YG5Or+6H No.391164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Their mix anarchist left wing supremacist / fascists yet in the US they most backed Sanders US in the UK Corbyn. They latch onto moderate lefts which is why you all think this is about Hitlary. Nazi Antifa getting loud in the US sure as hell will provoke UK far left commie fascists and libs wont go right so they tend to lean further left under pressure. it matters who those fucks support in the UK too because the second they think their nearest match on gov has a chance and looses they all gonna have their periods.
Doris Pickwill - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:32:43 EST ID:kMHRWa3R No.391165 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Hillary is establishment to the core, yet they absolutely adore her.
Hedda Shittingshaw - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:38:09 EST ID:GGV9cS/v No.391166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So, yes, you have no idea what antifa even is nb
Ernest Brookforth - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 18:15:22 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.391167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> libs wont go right so they tend to lean further left under pressure.

It's ironic too, because the leftists of the US are usually even more for nanny state big government, while people on the right are generally for limited government. I've thought long and hard about why the outspoken so-called anarcho-commie/antifa types over here always end up urging people to vote democrat instead for people that want to limit government (like Trump), and I believe it's due to brainwashing from watching too much TV.
Henry Debblebanks - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 18:51:46 EST ID:IaepfqX2 No.391168 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Trump wants to limit government
>limit government

That's a very nice way of saying "enriching special interest groups by privatizing even more public services".

nb because this thread is bad
Martin Brendlewere - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:15:35 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.391169 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Anarchist's beef with capitalism is that it depends on a state enforcing titular property; allowing business owners to steal the labor of the worker and land owners/businesses to extract whatever surplus labor is left while providing nothing of value.

Worker protections, education, redistributive economic policies, etc all decrease how effectively capitalists can exploit the worker.
This is why anarchists and libertarians are diametrically opposed; while libertarians say they want less state, they really want a state that protect capitalists ability to exploit workers above all else.
Hamilton Clibberwure - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:24:51 EST ID:bMjekVKn No.391170 Ignore Report Quick Reply
a centrist country is more free and just better all round than a far right country. Expand the floor of the cage etc.
Martin Pickham - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:46:32 EST ID:zRmVzsZv No.391171 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Simon Clayway - Sat, 22 Apr 2017 21:40:32 EST ID:xQyPriM9 No.391172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>libs wont go right so they tend to lean further left under pressure
You have ever that backwards

>far left commie fascists
You have no idea what any of those words mean
Eugene Dacklewell - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:04:26 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.391214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>far left commie fascists
>You have no idea what any of those words mean

A far-left commie-fascist is someone who's so far left-leaning that their ideologies span all across the far-left but also go so far left that they wrap around and reach into extreme-right territory.
Communism and fascism go hand-in-hand, in reality. Look what happened when Lenin was replaced by Stalin. Communism and fascism have many similarities, such as a federal government that has extreme power over it's citizens, a country where 'the whole' becomes more significant to everyone than 'the individual'.

Realistically, a commie is someone who wants a powerful centralized government heavily regulating the economy in favor of the little guy. And a fascist is someone who wants a powerful centralized government heavily regulating things like expression, speech, news, etc.
Realistically speaking, tons of liberals seem to want all of this; a strong centralized government that regulates both economics and socializing, constantly putting the 'majority' above the minorities, in this case the majority being the bottom 90% of income earners and intense social conservatives (liberals are intensely socially conservative. That's what you get when you champion the opinions of minorities all the time; they're the most conservative people out there) while the minority becomes the top 10% of income earners and the most liberty-minded folk who want freedom of art and speech.

I actually wish this wasn't called 'horseshoe theory' and instead something like 'the circular political spectrum'.
Frederick Charryfog - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:28:31 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.391219 Ignore Report Quick Reply

LOL. Is this what they teach in Alt-Right school?


This alternative reality/facts stuff and its self-delusion is probably the worst part of this whole con-man as leader rise globally.
Fanny Bardfield - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:32:36 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.391223 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I know. It's fucking pathetic.

pic related
Barnaby Honkinsod - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 15:14:52 EST ID:FqtcG9EC No.391227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Look what happened when Lenin was replaced by Stalin
You're so ignorant it hurts. Marxism leninism already conflicting with classical marxism in the way that the bolshevik revolution took place in a feudal, agricultural society and not a highly industrialised one. This forced Lenin to install statecapitalism and a strong centralised powerstructure to "safeguard" the revolution. The same powerstructure allowed Stalin, an authoriatarian and not a socialist, to effectively create a totalitarian state. Trotsky wrote a book about this, before he was assassinated, called "The Revolution Betrayed".
Communism itself is a stateless and classless society. There hasn't been a communist society and no one has claimed otherwise. The closet we got was ancient Mesopotamia before the rise of the kings. Tthere's no leftist ideology that advocates a totalitarian or even statecapitalist ideology as a permanent superstructure.

>such as a federal government
You don't even know what a federation means. A government isn't federal just because. Other than the USSR and maybe the statecapitalist BaIkans(?), I don't think there was any other "federation". I'm sure as hell Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and Spain weren't federations.

>a country where 'the whole' becomes more significant to everyone than 'the individual'.
Do you have an actual source or are you just talking shit? Collectivism doesn't even demand nor suggest an abolition of the individual identity. This is the case with fascism and totalitarian statecapitalist regimes but it has no theoretical basis what so ever.

>Realistically, a commie is someone who wants a powerful centralized government heavily regulating the economy in favor of the little guy.
Ok, I'm going to say it, you're dumb. Read above mentioned definition of communism. Are you unaware that there's concepts like free market socialism?

>Realistically speaking, tons of liberals seem to want all of this
I don't even know why you're talking about liberals in the first place.

>(liberals are intensely socially conservative. That's what you get when you champion the opinions of minorities all the time; they're the most conservative people out there)
What the fuck does this even mean, X8? Social conservatism is basically a rightwing version of a social democracy. See the rising social conservative parties in Europe who still champions a welfare state but with more ethnonationalism. That's what the "social" stands for. Other than that social conservatism and conservatism are basically the same. Oh, let me guess, you're not actually using political definitions because you are very ignorant.

The horseshoe theory is supposed to reflect how marxism leninism devolves into authoritarianism. There's marxist explanations to this, contrary to your made up delusions.
Eugene Dacklewell - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 16:21:14 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.391233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>LOL. Is this what they teach in Alt-Right school?
They don't teach wisdom like mine in school.
>Horshoe Theory is an alternative fact.
It must be so nice pretending like it's impossible to reach so far to the left that you start coming up on the extreme right. I mean, I only gave you real examples, I'd love to see if you could actually refute them, but it doesn't seem so.

>You are so ignorant is hurts.
That's funny, because you seem to totally agree with me about Lenin and Stalin.
>There hasn't been a communist society.
You say that as if it's never been actively attempted, which it has many times, and as if it hasn't actively failed, which was also the case all of those times.
Bruh, this is how reality works. You attempt to create communism, you end up creating something between communism/fascism. Same goes with real life. You attempt to be a communist, you pick up fascist ideologies as well.

I'm clearly talking about the federal US government in my statement, so have fun teaching your federation factoids to a wall.

>My name's FqtcG9
>You think communists want a centralized government that favors the proletariate? You are DUMB!
>You think Commies and Fascists care about collectivism? You are DUMB!
>Stop talking about Liberals!
>What the fuck do you mean liberals champion conservative ideologies!?

Bruh. I can't even reply to half of this hahaha. But you want to know how liberals can be so conservative. It's simple.
Minorities are conservatives. They care about race, they care about their wealth, they care about themselves entirely.
Liberals are liberals. They care about 'minorities'. They champion minorities and champion minority ideologies. So, essentially, liberals are conservatives, except not toward their own race/class/ethnicity, but instead toward other races/classes/ethnicities. That's how liberalism works, and that's why so many people hate liberals; they're seen as traitors.

I don't get what some of you guys get so upset about. I simply pose facts that you're not familiar with, probably because I have a background in academic economics and a passion for politics both current and historic, where as most people don't give a fuck about economics or history or politics and instead just reiterate everything they hear from their old teachers and their fake news. Really, I'm just here to expand some of your minds.
Nell Bullerwater - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:07:52 EST ID:cqtGtTEX No.391237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean he's for the right of first refusal, ffs.
Henry Sottinglock - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:28:30 EST ID:jyQT3zd9 No.391239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's right. Time to grow up, little boys.
Frederick Charryfog - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:03:44 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.391241 Ignore Report Quick Reply

No he's a political child/neophyte posting some of the dumbest shit ever and it's obvious.

And if you also believe it, you're as dumb a motherfucker as he is.

What's else does the dumb fuck brigade believe? Are Hitler and Mussolini communists in this alternate reality too?
Phyllis Goodman - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:14:44 EST ID:DiXMKba0 No.391243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The distinction that >>391227 is one specific to Leninist theory. Marx himself used the terms "communism" and "socialism" interchangeably, since he was principally concerned with a critique of capital and the social relations it engendered; he never went into any detail on how a "dictatorship of the proletariat" would work or what a post-capitalist society would look like. According to Lenin and later theorists, communism is the classless and stateless world society that only a worldwide revolution can enable. It cannot coexist with capitalism. Socialism is any system by which the workers own the means of production, whether as some kind of anarchist collective, a syndicalist federation, or a command economy under the direction of the state. This last one is what you've got in mind. With the New Economic Policy Lenin sought to let capital markets bring the USSR up to full literacy and industrialization, with the Party as vanguard; there was terror, yes, but nothing like what was to come. Then Stalin decided that enough was enough and renationalized all the heavy industry (pic related). To his credit, the Soviets held up wonderfully through the Great Depression, and the USSR was able to hold the fascist scourge at bay when the time came (although that may have had more to do with Hitler being marginally more paranoid and micromanagerial, and maybe the top Soviet brass could have spared millions of casualties if Stalin hadn't purged them all).

>You attempt to create communism, you end up creating something between communism/fascism.
Except if you're a democratically elected socialist leader—Iran's Mossadegh, Guatemala's Árbenz, Chile's Allende—and the CIA sends in a coup to restore Western-sympathetic leadership. Hugo Chávez started out closer to the center even as a Marxist, but the failed coup (with its own stirrings of totalitarianism, in the classic Latin American tradition) only strengthened his power and inspired a Stalinesque personality cult. Now it's just crushing trade sanctions and cronyist mismanagement of a single-commodity economy that's got the Venezuelans squealing. Nice work, boys!
Phyllis Goodman - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:15:26 EST ID:DiXMKba0 No.391244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Phyllis Goodman - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:22:11 EST ID:DiXMKba0 No.391246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Minorities are conservatives. They care about race, they care about their wealth, they care about themselves entirely.

Imagine being this fucking reductionist and orientalist and then claiming to have academic credentials.
Oliver Borrylock - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 21:20:09 EST ID:V72b4f8a No.391258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>conveniently ignoring the millions of deaths under communism.
>but that wasn't real communism so let's try for real this time.
Phyllis Goodman - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 22:25:46 EST ID:DiXMKba0 No.391264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
m-m-muh million billion zillions!! Gee, it's not as if there was anything dangerous going on in Europe at the same time? Not as if every major power hadn't intervened in Russia to restore the monarchy immediately after the Revolution, their own war losses be damned?

Nobody is denying Stalin and Mao's atrocities—unless you're citing some propagandist "scholar" like Robert Conquest. But you never see attributed to capitalism the massive death tolls from the proxy wars in Indonesia, Korea, and Vietnam, nor the more recent wars of influence in the Middle East, nor the ongoing death tolls for systemic poverty. "The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connections everywhere..." To permit commodity extraction, food surplus dumping and bottomless cheap labor, Empire explicitly requires the subjugation of the nations at the periphery, far out of sight and mind of Amerifats and other Westerners except for periodic terrorist blowback. Now the poor trodden-upon Klansmen and UKIP, who don't like immigrants and miss their factory jobs, think they were the first ones to invent nationalism. Too bad!
Phyllis Goodman - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 22:33:38 EST ID:DiXMKba0 No.391266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
and my original post specifically noted the Stalinist terror and the purges of the Soviet officer class, get your reading comprehension up before bringing around these smug non-arguments that everyone has their mind made up on already.
Albert Himmerdane - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:03:57 EST ID:zm6+bc30 No.391269 Ignore Report Quick Reply

you had me on board until the trump-style interjection at the end. unless you were employing the device satirically.
Albert Himmerdane - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:11:14 EST ID:zm6+bc30 No.391272 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>portray young, brazen, inexperienced, jingoistic, brinkman, communist dictator/monarch as a baby playing with the toys of war


jesus christ just get the fuck out of here.
Albert Himmerdane - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:26:15 EST ID:zm6+bc30 No.391276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gotta say, PM May is one sneaky shark-like cold-blood style politician. She manages to dodge controversy and negative publicity like Neo in the Matrix. Almost the only times I see her mentioned in media is for something totally trivial that doesn't affect her image. Even her utter bullshit of "lol we should have a snap election cuz this is the most likely time i will win" and "lol sorry courts, we arent going to even acknowledge the harmful levels of pollution and huge funds we are ordered to allocate until we get our snap election" are just like, breezing past with few people raising the hell that they should. She even assumed power in such a quiet, discreet manner, a lot of uninformed people don't even know who she is, unlike Tony Blair or David Cameron who had more of a globally familiar persona. I would say her international reputation at this point is just like a vague kindly aunt-like figure with few people having any real issue, except locals of the UK obviously.
Augustus Nunkinhood - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:51:02 EST ID:Nla6yjir No.391281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well they certainly were socialists.
Doris Turveybury - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 02:06:41 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.391288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Either you're unfamiliar with the definitions of capitalism and socialism or you're unfamiliar with Hitler's actions.

Socialism means workers own and control of the means of production.
Capitalism means the means of production are owned by private entities.

Hitler dissolved all unions, arrested their leaders, seized their assets, made striking or leaving your job illegal, protected private ownership of the means of production (and private banks in Germany), and drafted the workers to send them to die in wars of conquest.

Now, would you say Hitler's actions helped the workers obtain control of the means of production, or increased the ability for capitalists to steal the worker's surplus labor?
Phyllis Goodman - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 02:24:49 EST ID:DiXMKba0 No.391291 Ignore Report Quick Reply
fun etymological fact: the word "privatization" was coined to described economic policies under the Reich
Phyllis Crindernune - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 03:47:43 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.391293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
B-b-but they was called National SOCIALISTS!
That means all Democrats are Nazis!
Eliza Blytheham - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 05:01:09 EST ID:FqtcG9EC No.391298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, the national socialist movement was a thing before Hitler showed up in politics. The word socialist, at that time, was very popular since it showed the party was for the worker. Hitler hated leftists and even blamed communists for the buning of the Reichstag. Faux-left.
Charlotte Hegglehood - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 05:31:25 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.391300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>liberals are intensely socially conservative. That's what you get when you champion the opinions of minorities all the time; they're the most conservative people out there

lol, this is like when you tried to claim that left-wing activists are nationalists, because wanting the country you live in to improve makes you a nationalist.

>all minorities are conservative
>all liberals support the views of conservative minorities
>liberals are conservatives

This kind of thing really gives insight into how you can possibly hold the views you hold, X8. You literally do not understand basic logic and reason.
Charlotte Hegglehood - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 05:32:33 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.391301 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The term "National Socialist" was essentially just a branding gimmick to try to appeal to both the left and the right.
Ernest Blatherlock - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 06:40:49 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.391302 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just put him on Ignore. It's not worth your time.
Charlotte Hegglehood - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 07:13:01 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.391304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude, did you see how funny his post was?

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