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just... by Molly Bambletatch - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:04:59 EST ID:1jhockq+ No.395716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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as this board devolves into a shit-cyclone of hatred a moment of bliss to recognise that anarchists and antifa saved cornel west's life from neo-fascists in charlottesville
raise the left fist, brothers, we will resist!
Fucking Sidgemed - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:10:14 EST ID:IJWNC4gZ No.395718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
both sides of this struggle are equally stupid. grow up.
Molly Bambletatch - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:14:35 EST ID:1jhockq+ No.395719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no, the right wing is scum. grow up.
James Billingfuck - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:26:56 EST ID:MyuDzBUL No.395720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Good job comrades. Jealous as fuck on the West Coast, wish I could take part in these historical protests.


Your position is precisely that of someone who hasn't grown up, someone who lack the capacity to understand nuanced concepts, someone who clings to idealistic, centrist hogwash.

The world is changing before us, and those you who refuse to take a side will have one assigned to you.
Nathaniel Cloffingdock - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:30:33 EST ID:stWEdKoI No.395721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On some far right forum there's probably a conversation about how some nationalists saved some other nationalist's life from a group of antifa thugs.

The first guy was right. You need to stop picking sides and grow the fuck up because regardless of causation, the outcome is the same, further devolution into "im right!" tribalist bullshit and polarization of political extremes.

Antifa is retarded when they black bloc conservatives because apparently anyone to the right of "moderate" is a nazi. Berkley anyone?
And these ethnic nationalists are wrong because...well that one goes without saying.
Nathaniel Cloffingdock - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:32:41 EST ID:stWEdKoI No.395722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Pick a side or we'll pick one for you
>With us or againat us
This is exactly what I mean. You tribalist dumb fucks just want to belong to something.
Nathaniel Cloffingdock - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:41:06 EST ID:stWEdKoI No.395726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also what's with thinking anyone who isn't far left or right is a centrist or neutral?
That's the kind of black and white world view I'd expect from a child. There's a whole spectrum of political idealogies, and just because you're not cracking skulls with bike locks doesn't mean you're neautral.
James Billingfuck - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 01:01:51 EST ID:MyuDzBUL No.395734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What kind of criticism is this? Of course I want to belong to a group, of course I want to fulfill a purpose... To take a line from the Right, "that's just human nature".

But I've never advocated anything that I didn't see as both logical and just in an effort to belong, I belong because I believe, not the other way around.

>Blah blah tribalism

Ya, people with ideals, beliefs, convictions... People willing to stand up and fight for them... When you're a spineless insect, I'm sure that can be a terrifying thought.

>Black or white

Do you believe in equality? The answer is either "yes" or "no". It is black and white. If your answer is "I support equality amongst white people, Hispanics, Asians... But niggers can fuck off and die", then guess what? You don't support equality, and you can simplify your answer with a plain "no".

Fuck your "gray" views that masquerade as civility and rationality, when in truth what lies underneath your mask is a moronic, egotistical coward.

And FYI, we call each other "Comrade" because it promotes unity. It is a gender neutral term, it has no ethnic, sexual, religious connotations. A Comrade is someone who fights alongside me in the fight for Communism — nothing else matters except shared ideology, not our skin colors, not our sex or gender, not our religion.

Considering your a fascist sympathizing scum, likely holding contempt for any number of people based on their physical characteristics, I'm sure that this kind of unity is a hard pill to swallow. Please, choke on it.
Nathaniel Cloffingdock - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 01:07:57 EST ID:stWEdKoI No.395735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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that's a really verbose way of calling me racist.
Charlotte Sacklestodge - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 02:30:18 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.395736 Report Quick Reply

Explain where you stand on all of this then. Don't just say "both sides are in the wrong" go into a little more detail.
Fucking Nishsure - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 03:02:10 EST ID:45cMuPZL No.395737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Republicans and democrats both criticised trump for not naming white nationalists and supremacists in his condemnation. Saying all sides at fault is a cop out and takes the right off the hook. Obviously they are a large part of trumps base so he has his reason even if he wont admit it but the situation is clear. If we want to all be united in anything its the condemnation of the far right. We can all across the spectrum unite in opposition to the extreme right. There arent really two sides to this, there isnt really anything to argue about, either youre a nazi piece of shit or youre a civilised human being.
Fucking Nishsure - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 03:04:37 EST ID:45cMuPZL No.395738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>either youre a nazi piece of shit or youre a civilised human being
Regardless of your political colours*
Nathaniel Cloffingdock - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 06:23:33 EST ID:stWEdKoI No.395740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's absolutely incorrect. Condemning the so called alt right and antifa aren't mutually exclusive. It's a matter of honesty and trying to maintain a level head in times of tempting reactionism. You want to either compartmentalize people as one or the other and fight for a team but that's simply not the case. I know that's an unpopular thing to say.
You can hate white nationalists and even ostracize them from conservatism easily, but not accept the polar opposite far left actions,or even centrist connotations of indecision. I can hate the antifascists as a movement, and be against fascism. Don't be tricked into falling plinko style into one or the either man.
Nathaniel Cloffingdock - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 06:35:10 EST ID:stWEdKoI No.395741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just reread your post and noticed I didn't address what you said about trump not condemning the right wing protesters as nazis. That seems correct. The main critique of the same republican who are now backpedaling white supremacy to save face with a racist constituency was that obama didn't condemn much milder race separatist activists ie. blm activists.
It's political shit. Remember that ideas start with us and only echo off of politicians.
Charlotte Sacklestodge - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 07:07:40 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.395742 Report Quick Reply

BLM is not a separatist movement you moron. It is a movement decrying police brutality and excessive force leveled at the black community, demanding that police be held accountable for murder and the fact that the judicial and justice system seems to think that black lives are cheap and inconsequential.

Neonazis and confederates seek racial segregation, many calling for forcibly extraditing minorities, even native-born people. A smaller group of them call for outright genocide.

It's clear you don't understand any kind of nuance and just see things as black and white.
Wesley Bunhall - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:04:09 EST ID:fi2k0gDO No.395743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
but also:

You don't seem to understand: this isn't about condeming violence, this is about condeming people who dress up as hitler and say he didn't do anything wrong, claim a white genocide is a-coming and chant nazi slogans like "blood and soil". If you can't do that unequivocally you might as well be one of them.
Also, if you even are entertaining the notion that BLM are black supramacists/nationalists/seperatists/whatever, then you are already too far down the fucking awm racist rabbit hole in which every time a black person does anything it's regarded as a threat. These are not the observations of an objective outsider/centrist but the confused ideas of a media-illiterate and deluded moron so get out of the hole and back to reality if you want your opinions to be respected.
Hedda Brookfuck - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:27:45 EST ID:Kn19Eg9q No.395768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the un-ironic use of comrade makes me cringe so hard every time
Archie Cinninghog - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:23:37 EST ID:rY+aQ0PM No.398245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>both sides
>equally stupid
really? how did you quantify this?

as much as i find rabid feminists shrieking about patriarchy annoying, i do still have to come to the conclusion that literal neo-nazis are worse.

both sides have their shitty fringe elements, sure. but the right's is for sure worse. they are not equal.
Rebecca Hezzlepatch - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:51:48 EST ID:jdnfvOTF No.398246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nazis aren't a part of the institutions. Feminists are- in every schoolhouse, HR department and non-profit. Nazis have no predominance. Nazis have no keys but women drivers means no survivors.
Archie Cinninghog - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:11:07 EST ID:rY+aQ0PM No.398247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
okay... how does that make feminists worse?
Frederick Cravingson - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:26:00 EST ID:XqOr0TAj No.398248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Outright nazi's are an overblown threat to society, but white supremacists as a whole, particularly of the neo-confederate variety have been at every level of american institutions for centuries and hold far more political and industrial power than feminists.

>women drivers means no survivors
lol, being this delusional.
Sophie Claywell - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 02:41:37 EST ID:aZbrKcpr No.398253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Somebody with power doing bad things is worse than somebody with no power thinking bad things
Thomas Sammlestock - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 04:46:21 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.398257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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White nationalists also exist in academia.
Such feminists do not exist in the white house.

Bannon, the guy who founded Breitbart was in the whitehouse.
That site goes out of its way to pander to white nationalists.
They even have a content tag "black crime" (there's no white crime tag as local white crimes aren't reported).
They hire reporters who've published articles arguing for black genocide.

White nationalists have far more power and their ideology is far more dangerous than the feminist-version-of-Eliot-Rodgers caricatures the future finds, let alone the actual ones in academia.
Jarvis Finninglock - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:26:22 EST ID:wy0IpURP No.398258 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think the funniest thing about all of this is that nobody hates americans more than americans.
Phyllis Goodman - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 09:04:44 EST ID:PnCRIIh1 No.398259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
only an American could possibly think this
James Bardstone - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:57:55 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Somebody with power doing bad things is worse than somebody with no power planning to take power, thinking about doing worse things
fix'd. is your statement still true?

this is of course even assuming that feminists are "doing bad things." their "crimes," in your eyes, are ironically the same of which you accuse the left of accusing you of: wrongthink.

sorry, but your argument fails on so mamy fronts. for starters, you need to establish that feminists are "doing bad things." then there's this: >>398257
Matilda Dremblemit - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:29:51 EST ID:gUz78zDV No.398265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>[feminists] doing bad things
How many people have feminists killed again?

>no power
Hahahaha no. See thomas' post. there's also plenty of old timer racists in congress/local posts. Oh, and then there's the president...

>[only] thinking bad things.
Nope. Pic related.
lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:51:08 EST ID:ZnZp0v18 No.398272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thought I'd drop in and say hi as we approach the centennial of the October Revolution.

There was a time when you didn't have to debate Nazis, you could just kill them. I miss those days. Dead Nazis were like the one thing liberals and communists could agree on. Way too many young whites sympathizing with racism around, it's creating an image problem for whites in general. They certainly have power too, as a voting block and as a source of financing. The current resurgence in antifa seems to be a response to this, young whites drawing a line in the sand trying to correct their image. Most current antifa groups lack continuity with the antifa groups of the Clinton/Bush years. Those groups only really attacked Nazis for fun, their primary goal was to spread awareness about neo-liberalism and it's effects on the third world. The new groups seem at best to be indifferent to capitalism and fighting it, they're mostly too preoccupied with counterdemonstrating white supremist rallies.
Jarvis Finninglock - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:10:45 EST ID:wy0IpURP No.398274 Ignore Report Quick Reply

not an american though :)
William Weblingham - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:41:49 EST ID:rpHZ1Djo No.398275 Ignore Report Quick Reply

how do you miss something you were never alive for, tripfag
Alice Fiddlekock - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:42:53 EST ID:X5R5o20T No.398276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No feminists actually discriminate against children for being male. This institutional girl power shit has got to go and only benefits oligarchs. you are creating more Nazis by doubling down on this actual socialist engineering project.
Ebenezer Shakefuck - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:43:34 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.398277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The new groups seem at best to be indifferent to capitalism and fighting it, they're mostly too preoccupied with counterdemonstrating white supremist rallies.

Are you saying thats a bad thing?
lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:31:21 EST ID:ZnZp0v18 No.398278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One it's an expression and two that was just like back in the 90's dude. Why do you think all the neo-nazis in Portland and Seattle disappeared? Cops wouldn't protect them, they weren't able to organize. And if a Nazi got stabbed they didn't go out of their way to solve the crime. No one ever gave a shit about anarchist on neo-nazi violence until this year, especially not back in the Clinton years.

To the extent that some of them have little to no knowledge of Marxism or Anarchism, I'm a bit concerned. Not to mention concern for the real communists in their ranks. When pressed by the FBI/CIA, what if the liberals in those groups decide to turn patriotic on their leftist comrades? Even if a liberal won't bend over for Trump, does that mean they wouldn't bend over for Hillary or Jeb?

Other than that fighting Nazis is fine.
Emma Mebbleman - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:39:32 EST ID:uW9KWJtY No.398279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>No feminists actually discriminate against children for being male.
Well, you're right about that. No feminists do actually discriminate against children for being male.

even if you got the grammar correct, your claim still makes no sense syntactically

As for a counterpoint to your other baseless claims:
No, it doesn't, and I have no idea how anyone in their right mind can draw that conclusion.
Betsy Gittingway - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:46:56 EST ID:4K7Mao8x No.398280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's where you're wrong bucko.

"Feminist organisations, backed by government policy, are teaching young boys at school to feel guilty and ashamed of their gender, writes Dan Bell"

Isabella Drengerchitch - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:52:35 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>girl power shit is worse than literal genocide
mmm no.

>girl power shit creates nazis
lol, also no.

jesus christ, do you retards not see why your feminists vs nazis arguments fall apart so easily? it's because nazis are easily, obviously, and by far the worse of the two elements.
Betsy Gittingway - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:53:46 EST ID:4K7Mao8x No.398282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Some more reading materials for you


Isabella Drengerchitch - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:25:44 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398283 Ignore Report Quick Reply
stop just dumping material. instead read it yourself and formulate your own arguments.

it's fine to add a link sourcing your content, but if you have to resort to passing the burden of argument on like this to an authority figure it shows intellectul weakness.
Cornelius Pullyshaw - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:47:36 EST ID:xQbV1JEs No.398284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck off back to the future you cocksucking circlejerk immigrant.
Betsy Gittingway - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:48:08 EST ID:4K7Mao8x No.398285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>No feminists actually discriminate against children for being male.
"Well, you're right about that"
>Posts evidence to the contrary
"S-stop just p-posting things that disagree with my retarded viewpoint!"
Emma Mebbleman - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:06:56 EST ID:uW9KWJtY No.398286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> if you have to resort to passing the burden of argument on like this to an authority figure it shows intellectul weakness
it's hardly an appeal to "authority" when:
  1. 2/3 of these writings don't even come from an authority (a listicle is not a starting point for a discussion, and some random dude's opinion column proves nothing)
  2. the third is from 17 years ago, and is a reaction to research from the early 90s. As you can imagine, it's full of out of date statistics and long abandoned opinions.
  3. most importantly, none support the original claim (seriously, how do these link "feminism" to boys becoming nazis?)
Isabella Drengerchitch - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:16:11 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398287 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you still haven't explained how this ties back into your argument.
Lydia Fanwater - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:35:39 EST ID:1WKaF3C8 No.398290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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here's a bunch of "reading material" on how feminism actually benefits men/boys:

don't expect me to actually argue my point though, after all i just dumped EIGHT, read EIGHT fucking links. twice as many sources as you! that makes me twice as correct as you.

>uh, i, uuuuhhh... i'm having a mental conniption... i am breaking down... i.. cannot... handle... all this material countering meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
lol, of course you can't. i even added in a strawman there at the end to make sure this narrative sounds like I'm winning!
Cyril Pobberstire - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:05:41 EST ID:FrlOHKt5 No.398293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
not that anon but linking to everydayfeminism and calling it a source is some brainlet shit. can you not see how stupid that article is? nearly every one of their source links go to some blog or initiative that has no backing (as with some of your links).
seriously read that atlantic article they posted. it came out before any of that gamergate reactionary buzzfeed stuff started clogging up every news source.
i guess this might just be bait that i fell for. anyways.
here is one paragraph i just picked out of many to get your nips nice and hard

>Gilligan's views are attractive to many of those who believe that boys could profit by being more sensitive and empathetic. But anyone thinking to enlist in Gilligan's project of getting boys in touch with their inner nurturer would do well to note that her central thesis—that boys are being imprisoned by conventional ideas of masculinity—is not a scientific hypothesis. Nor, it seems, does Gilligan regard it in this light, for she presents no data to support it. It is, in fact, an extravagant piece of speculation of the kind that would not be taken seriously in most professional departments of psychology.
Shitting Claylock - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:27:18 EST ID:HqVjT+7d No.398294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair psychology with the exception of IQ and OCEAN are not able to produce replicable results. Both of these topics were covered in the infamous Google memo and have not been digested properly by the detractors and denialists of the hereditary influences behind sex differences. That one memo links to actual science because it was penned by an actual ivy league biology PhD.
Angus Soggleshit - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:37:45 EST ID:2PDMKWSz No.398296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>linking to everydayfeminism and calling it a source is some brainlet shit
pic related.

the point is, stop just regurgitating other people's writing. think for your self and actually formulate an argument.

>ok, fine! then here's a paragraph copy/pasted from the article!
never mind, it seems you really are incapable of arguing/thinking for yourself.

none of this was even about the validity of those articles to begin with. it was about links being dumped to "prove a point." but the original argument was that feminists are worse than nazis. as far as i can tell, the atlantic article does nothing to back either argument up.

to others: use sources to back up your claims/arguments, not to make claims/arguments for you.
Jarvis Febberwit - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 17:25:16 EST ID:rpHZ1Djo No.398298 Ignore Report Quick Reply

wow are you really that bad at detecting sarcasm?
Sophie Worthinggold - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:30:57 EST ID:MLmCrJ8J No.398302 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I thought you were in prison, fellow lumpen.
Sophie Worthinggold - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:35:26 EST ID:MLmCrJ8J No.398303 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also lol @ people saying you weren't alive when reactionaries were having war waged against them by anarchists and leftist. Europe's gun control basically became a thing during the cold war when there was armed struggle happening all over. Up until the 80s italy had something called the years of lead which involved hundreds of political assassinations. In Greece right now people think anarchists are simply holding signs? Many of them are facing 50+ years in prison and it's not for "punching" golden dawn.
Sophie Worthinggold - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:45:20 EST ID:MLmCrJ8J No.398304 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Considering the instituons of the state and the dominance it entails, yes it is a problem. Fascists aren't some outside threat to our civil society of law and order. Our civil society of law and order is the threat, to our liberation. The prisons, the police, the military, industry bleeding nature dry, poisoning our sources of life is the real fascism. Fringe rightist groups are just cheerleaders of an already existing white supremacist and fascist structure. Who was it that beat indigenous people for protesting a pipeline? The pigs. Who is it that has killed hundreds this year, and have imprisoned thousands for the profit of the elite? The pigs. The state and the fascists aren't separate entities. Treating them as such won't actually do anything to stop oppression. People right now need to take note from the anti fascists in Greece and stop acting as if Nazis and their ranks are something separate from the state. It's not new, it's theory and historically proven. How quick did the French police start arresting Jews for deportation when Nazis marched in? Pretty quickly, even though the French people did not want this.
Sophie Worthinggold - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:47:55 EST ID:MLmCrJ8J No.398305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 23:21:53 EST ID:bJZFJ+cp No.398306 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck been there, not going back. Took a decent beating in county the other week though, they stole $70 too. Fucking pigs don't like getting called child killers I guess.
Basil Hinnerridge - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 00:02:31 EST ID:4K7Mao8x No.398307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>being this triggered

fuck me, this is like shooting fish in a barrel
Samuel Shakeworth - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 00:28:35 EST ID:MLmCrJ8J No.398308 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I feel you. I got repeadeatly kicked and tazed while having seizures from benzo withdrawls for kicking on the door of a holding cell in booking after going 6 hours without medical attention for my withdrawls. I would of been able to sue their asses but it didn't help my case when I was facing felonies for having 30 hits of acid in my brothers car..and an ounce of green, in Texas of all places. Ended up having to waste the first 4 years of my 20s in some shithole. I was originally lookin at 10years for a legal gun being in the trunk but drugs being in the car itself made it improper use of a firearm. They tried to paint me as a menace to society in their backwards ass court. It wasn't even in my name the gun was in the name of who the car belonged to. Still I had to plead guilty to intent just to get the weapons charge dropped.
lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 00:39:43 EST ID:bJZFJ+cp No.398309 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And yeah I should give props to the Europeans, they don't fuck around when it comes to fascism. Fucking RAF, IRA, ETA, the Maquis, about a third of the population of Greece, and all other comrades I didn't name. Not only that though, Europeans really stepped up for the Kurds in Rojava with numbers a lot higher than their American counterparts.

Joe McCann's like my favorite bedtime story.
I don't think it mentions it in that wiki but the IRA set the surrounding neighborhood on fire to stop British air support. IRA were strategic as fuck, probably the best urban guerrilla force to ever exist. Warrenpoint is a perfect example too.
lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 01:07:57 EST ID:bJZFJ+cp No.398310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck red states man. 4 years is a long fucking time. I got bounced out of minimum after 5 months cause overcrowding. Which was enough for me, I'll take parole any day over that shit. It was bullshit anyways, I only lived in the house but because I had paraphernalia in my room they said I was dealing even though the shit was in another room. They do that shit all the time too and keep getting away with it.
lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 01:07:57 EST ID:bJZFJ+cp No.398311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck red states man. 4 years is a long fucking time. I got bounced out of minimum after 5 months cause overcrowding. Which was enough for me, I'll take parole any day over that shit. It was bullshit anyways, I only lived in the house but because I had paraphernalia in my room they said I was dealing even though the shit was in another room. They do that shit all the time too and keep getting away with it.
Phyllis Puvingstire - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 01:40:57 EST ID:AXeR3rCY No.398312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Jack Greenhood - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 08:42:42 EST ID:mqfCYZFV No.398316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Nazis have no influence, feminists have infiltrated the mainstream and are self replicating. Nazis nowadays are underground LARPers, whereas femishits are the establishment's PC face of KOALA TEA. Which as this guy >>398280 points out means bullying masculinity. Mean girls and nasty women are advantaged in a feminized landscape where rough play and physicality is anathema.what this means is that the only weapons are the table are the ones women can equip-passive aggression and psychological combat. Those boys don't even have a chance but to get henpecked or to change their stats and be able to equip those. This unlevel playing field is a systematic advancement of women against men and clearly is meant to take their side. And furthermore, male feminists dry up women, the entire ideology is a shit test to funnel unattractive men out of the breeding pool.
Jarvis Pattingset - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 09:15:17 EST ID:xQbV1JEs No.398317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the entire ideology is a shit test to funnel unattractive men out of the breeding pool.

Which is a good thing. The sooner virginal socially retarded nerdling alt-right autist Redditors are removed from the human genepool, the better.
lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 09:23:13 EST ID:bJZFJ+cp No.398318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just feel sorry for you. You're that weak you can't take a little shit from women? Butthurt Elliot Rodgers motherfucker. And lol, like someone stated above, Steve Bannon was Trump's chief strategist for several months. They still talk on a regular basis too.
Cyril Nallershit - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 10:01:02 EST ID:rZCrZwfL No.398319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Those boys don't even have a chance but to get henpecked or to change their stats and be able to equip those
Can't wait to see you wield your +5 Sword of Sharpness against the feminazis from hell.
Ebenezer Blackson - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 10:15:04 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol, so at worst feminists are "bullying" your masculinity?

if you're literally saying you can't get ahead in life because it's become more advantageous to be a woman, lumpen is right, you're a straight up elliot roger tier beta.
Augustus Pezzledale - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 10:30:39 EST ID:K7llvW6J No.398321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>feminists are bullying my masculinity
Martin Pillymodge - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 10:53:22 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.398322 Report Quick Reply

Just kill yourself. You're a worthless, weak and useless waste of a human being. Stop wasting the Earth's resources by continuing to exist. Nobody will even miss you. Suck a tailpipe, take a bath with a plugged in toaster, I don't care how you do it. Just follow Nike's slogan; Just DO it.
Jack Greenhood - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 14:08:24 EST ID:mqfCYZFV No.398323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm taking about these kids getting their soft-heads fiddled with by femishits. You're for the little guys unless they are male and femishits and pedos pretending to be fags want their way with them. It's fucked up when it's Jesus shit and when it's gendered Marxism.
Basil Hinnerridge - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:33:20 EST ID:4K7Mao8x No.398325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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and yet, they're the one that replied
lumpen !rGOAfuB3jA - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:25:23 EST ID:bJZFJ+cp No.398326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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  1. You have no idea what Marxism is
  2. You still have no idea what Marxism is.
  3. Nothing you said actually makes sense
  4. We are for the political suppression of bourgeois society and worker control of the means of production
  5. You have no idea what Marxism is
  6. I'm posting this image that I meant to post in this thread last night
Jack Crellerforth - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:29:22 EST ID:dixyb44e No.398327 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nazis don't have power? Ever hear of the police? The federal agencies? All backing the largest prison society on earth. The militaristic society? Everything neofascists want is already existent, other than the open harsh unapologetic rhetoric, and even that's making a come back. You're just a prime example of how easily people fall for the liberal counter insurgency used to make it appear as if there's opposition within the system, when every political spectrum in power is its own breed of far right. Hillary Clinton may say I'm anti racist and I'm a feminist but when it comes down to it she's still in the pocket of sweatshop owners and racist prison profiteers. If you think any form or Marxism or anarchism has any inch of influence in American politics youre misinformed or a straight fascist. The far right are ingrained into the structure of American politics. The Democrats wouldn't even let a socialist Democrat have a platform. They play the soft voice of the people so the stick can continue to beat them.
Jack Crellerforth - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:32:30 EST ID:dixyb44e No.398328 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Let me also add the media plays into the agendas you support. Even the liberal media is reporting on the NYC terror attack as "the most deadly" since 9/11 whereas Vegas was just called a mass shooting or massacre. The "liberal" media reports on crime waves and is the voicebox of police, and exists to create a climate of fear on potential enemies of the state. News flash. Your ideas are warped as fuck and CNN,fox and Alex Jones are all driven by the same agendas. Dominance, and money.
Jenny Sottinghatch - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:55:35 EST ID:3m4+s7yp No.398329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Feminism is Marxism where bourgeois word filters to men and proletariat word filters to womyn. So thus feminism is a front for Marxism, and they remain bedfellows and one sided has not purged or expelled the other.
Jack Crellerforth - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 19:09:44 EST ID:dixyb44e No.398331 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Yeah. The informal networks make it way harder to break up though. Whereas many of the Leninist groups died off the moment their leadership became targeted or fell into the mistakes of traps, anarchists never stopped. They could make mass arrests and ruin lots of lives but they could never dismantle their networks completely. Even the RA had to stop functioning in a top down mannerism in an attempt to thwart informants breaking them down - they eventually in an attempt to stop the damage that was done adapted more informal networks.

Here's an example; when the RAF was pretty much done this was going on. Not only that but an extension of these groups that were targeted in the 90s are basically at an all time high in South Europe. They're making the cover of al Jazeera with praise even. They won more power and rights for prisoners in Greece thru hunger strikes and support on the outside, such as they can now actually leave to study on campus while serving their terms. Meanwhile you have the interpol, us state department, and Greek authorities bumping them up on the terror watchlist. Greeks most wanted criminal for over a year was an anarchists.

>>Bonanno was one of hundreds of Italian anarchists arrested on the night of June 19, 1997, when Italian security forces carried out raids on anarchist centres and private homes all over Italy. The raids followed the bombing of Palazzo Marino in Milan, Italy on April 25, 1997. On February 2, 2003 Bonanno was sentenced to 6 years in prison plus a €2000 fine (first degree 3 years, 6 months) for armed robbery and other crimes. These charges were related to the "Marini Trial", in which Italian anarchists were convicted of belonging to an eversive armed group
Jack Crellerforth - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 19:16:31 EST ID:dixyb44e No.398332 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I hear u brother Hillary Clinton is a Marxist shill.
Jenny Sottinghatch - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 19:35:47 EST ID:3m4+s7yp No.398334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She was a Saul Alinsky fangirl, she's red enough on the inside.
Alice Chonkinshaw - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 00:39:57 EST ID:uDmWEQxW No.398335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
oh look, he couldn't respond.
Jarvis Suzzlesuck - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 09:59:20 EST ID:OhOM8YKI No.398337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wow, so you literally get your perspective on women/feminism from 4shit posts like this? jesus christ, you're even dumber than i originally thought.
Eliza Snodway - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:22:34 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Amen Jack. If you haven't already, check out Taking Sides: Revolutionary Solidarity and the Poverty of Liberalism. One chapter has an informative history of the true Rainbow Coalition. Another part is about how to deal with liberals who try to coerce ways to act, based off of race and gender. One example in the book is during subsequent days of uprising in Oakland. A liberal tries to tell an anarchist not to act a certain way because they were white, with the underlying assertion that people of color are exclusively passive and there's only one way of acting, within the confines of their own beliefs. As always, I've noticed anti-authoritarian means become distorted and diluted when becoming more mainstream years later. Its a good example of controlled opposition. People with opposing views take the distorted liberal beliefs as everyone's beliefs, without bothering to look deeper.

I agree a huge problem with Communist groups and organizations was their hierarchical and authoritarian forms. Even after Stalin, where it was clear Stalin and co. were counter-revolutionary, many communists continued to adhere to the Party. Even the break-away Trotskyists were hierarchical. Although post-WW2 many Trotskyists converted to anarchism and contributed theory to the reformation of anarchism that we see coming to fruition today. The RAF has an interesting history in Germany which paralleled the formation of the Autonomist movements there. ( libcom.org/library/fire-flames-history-german-autonomist-movement ) Still, they carried out violent acts that didn't help the popular movements, and were funded and influenced by the USSR which obviously didn't have the well-being of the populace at heart.
Shitting Dovingforth - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 19:12:06 EST ID:y4EuAgoL No.398344 Ignore Report Quick Reply

While we're on the topic and book suggestions check this out. It was written during the time period were talking about. Also if you haven't read life during war time check that out to, it's related to the book you mentioned which imma check into.

Jenny Lightspear - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:14:42 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Thanks, interesting read. I'll check out the other book too. A few thoughts on "Why A Vanguard":

The conclusion is apt, that anarchist projects and organizations should be embedded in the struggles of the exploited rather than in pipedreams or theoretical abstractions divorced from the self-organization and plight of the masses.

Insurrectionist theory that emerged around the alter-globalization movement advocated direct action now despite the lack of public interest or support. Despite the potential of inspiring others to resist, I think they fit into the critique of encapsulating their beliefs into a bubble of small affinity groups as microcosms of the liberated world they want to see.

Property damage as a symbolic act generally isn't meaningful besides its symbolism. Although it can have a meaningful impact when monkey-wrenching (i.e. ELF) or the action's to interfere with the construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline. Hence the more recent articles critiquing property damage as cathartic and little else. The critique of actions simply for their cathartic feeling applies generally to peaceful protests too, for example people marching en masse in a big permitted circle. Although other stuff happens at permitted marches like networking, the accomplishments from such events aren't significant.

One thing I disagreed with the author about was the reform vs revolution distinction, why not both? Reform to improve the well-being of others (partiality) and working towards revolution long-term (totality). Unless i misunderstood?

>"At any level whatsoever, anarchist militants are indisputably militants who can make decisions and question any doubts about positions or tendencies that are not quite tenable (at least in their opinion). This fact, which often gives rise to arguments, endless discussions, splits and conflict between tendencies and has been considered the weak point of anarchism, is actually one of its points of strength and vitality. Obtuse uniformity would kill any lively tendency in favour of the grey will of the winning side."
This point is gold, imho. The more diverse the beliefs and perspectives are, even contradicting, the healthier and more accurate perspective of reality there is. There should always be room for disagreement, we're never going to agree on everything. On the points we have in common is where we act together and even when we disagree, practical action may bridge the divide.

For example I was helping someone move recently with a small group of older guys from a conservative Baptist church who support Trump. Despite our very different political beliefs, we were able to work together and get along nicely too (as long as we didn't delve into politics of course). I suppose the closer one's beliefs are to another, the more things we can work together on, particularly towards a new way of life.

I witnessed the problem of seeking complete consensus during Occupy with the general assemblies. Decisions were rarely passed in a timely manner, if ever. Even with with a 90% threshold or some such, a small minority could gum up the works, which could be good sometimes, but often caused frustration. So as the days went bye less and less people participated in the general assembly. The actual functioning of the encampment fell to the groups focused on specific functions within it: food, medical, garbage, info, security, etc. Unfortunately the groups operated without accountability because there wasn't an accountability process in place for individual grievances to be heard and investigated.

An interesting parallel with the emergence of leaders in libertarian organizations to Occupy was the denial of leadership. Except leaders did exist, so by turning a blind eye they weren't accountable either.

In consideration of distinguishing attack vs defense, and defense being only able to replicate the perspective and forms of the organizations in power, would mutual aid organizations and adhoc networks be considered ones of attack? Such as Food Not Bombs, free stores, or donation drives to accumulate and disperse cold-weather clothes and tents to people in need. They seem defensive to me, but maybe i misunderstand the attack vs defense terms.

Popular assemblies in the vein of Bookchin's municipalism are currently gaining steam. These assemblies are composed of decentralized groups based in different neighborhoods and are autonomous. Annually the neighborhood action councils gather to discuss their actions and intentions and to coordinate and brainstorm further actions. The popular assemblies are inclusive of everyone, so not specific to any ideology or belief, but cached in anarchist politics, or at least libertarian politics, by the means of their organizing. Would this then be an organization that is a part of the struggles of the masses? Sure seems so to me.

Other anarchist projects have been imagining and trying to practice alternative systems that we currently rely on, such as Alternatives to EMS ( http://www.rosehipmedics.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Alt2EMSdigitalprintMay9.pdf ), alternatives to police (perhaps a network of neighbors with individuals volunteering and prepared to respond to local emergencies), cheap healthcare such as Working Class Acupuncture, free stores, co-ops, infoshops, tenants unions, and solidarity networks.

I have one more recommendation, the Perspectives series, particularly the strategy issue ( https://anarchiststudies.org/2015/11/22/perspectives-n-27/ ) and the "Do-It-Yourself Strategies for Revolutionary Study Groups" essay.

tl;dr I have opinions on stuff and such.
Cedric Goblingville - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 01:36:52 EST ID:VTT3opu4 No.398352 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I looked into that picture and it's hilarious.


We should set up an event where the extreme lefties and righties get together in a field and battle each other to the death. I would pay to see it.
Fuck Wesslekune - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 07:09:25 EST ID:xQbV1JEs No.398354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lefties would win. Too many grandpas and old resistance fighters that survived WW2 taking potshots at the nazis.
Eliza Nicklehall - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 07:23:06 EST ID:RN7zVAgz No.398355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People who remember actual fascism would take a dim view of a bunch of black-clad shouting thugs who advocate violence against others on the basis of race and political opinion.
Graham Tillingville - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 07:46:00 EST ID:dixyb44e No.398359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What are you going to do about it?
Eliza Nicklehall - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 07:55:16 EST ID:RN7zVAgz No.398360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Same as always, wait until you destroy yourselves with in-fighting and lock up the ones who assault and murder.

I mean, does it ever strike you as a bit odd that you use all the same methods and argue for many of the same things as people with literal skulls on their hats?
Ebenezer Drashforth - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 09:40:16 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the ones fighting the nazis are the real nazis!
lol, ho boy here we go again. do we really need to do this entire thread all over?
Nicholas Subblenutch - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:45:30 EST ID:oYZD+Ql9 No.398362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Despite both groups doing similar things (you probably literally do things that Hitler did, like brushing your teeth), I think it's reasonable to expect that if anti-fascists and fascists actually agreed, they'd be cooperating instead of fighting each other in the streets. They obviously have significant differences.

Also, liberals are forever naive for thinking you can talk through every problem. We all saw how well the liberal democratic institutions of the Weimar Republic handled the fascist surge in the 20's and 30's.

Also, isn't it odd that liberal democrats argue for many of the same things and use many of the same methods as actual communists? It's almost as if certain actions make sense regardless of whatever ideology you define yourself by!
Graham Tillingville - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:28:41 EST ID:dixyb44e No.398364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>and lock up

Oink oink. Funny, pigs never get locked up for committing murder and assault. The same pigs fascists cheer on with their blue lives matter bullshit.


This. The french police also willfully handed the Jews over for deportation during the nazi regimes reign. What was the french resistance doing? Hit and run MURDERS against all collaborators, sympathizers, including people who supported nazism via media, and of course making attempts on the SS themselves.

though he has such a black and white view of history that this cant even be understood.
Graham Tillingville - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:36:46 EST ID:dixyb44e No.398365 Ignore Report Quick Reply

like on some real shit. at least show ideological consistency. drop the ww2, American savior mentality bullshit when it comes to fascism. If anything the methods of anti-fascism have become less violent since the 80s onward. It's kind of like the durrrr lincoln stopped slavery mentality. there were actual armed insurrections against slavery by abolitionists going on long before Lincoln, things most racists and supporters of law and order spat on, and would spit on to this very day (they broke the law, and used violence). just like before ww2,there were rag-tag groups of resistance members living the anti-fascist thug life. Were they simply battling it with evil SS members? No, if you read a history book you'd realize theyd go after people for giving nazis a platforms, ie people who shared and forwarded their agenda via opinions. During the dutch resistance to occupied europe, an editor for a news paper who sympathized with nazis had his door knocked on, and is brains were laid on his carpet. so if you dont support this fine, fucking say it, but dont some how act like anti-fascism has become more violent and 'thuggish' when if anything the opposite is the case. how inept can you be?
Cedric Goblingville - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:25:25 EST ID:VTT3opu4 No.398366 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Maybe the left should start murdering people.
Angus Nurryhet - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:37:20 EST ID:iqP6ImxC No.398367 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You're an idiot.
Basil Guzzlepick - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 16:22:08 EST ID:I+lvpL7q No.398369 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Way to completely miss the point mate. That point being one side is inherently way more violent than the other, and way more brutal. Only a cop and fascist would compare minor riots and Street fights to things like hateful acts with terroristic methods. Dressing in black and swinging flag poles isn't running random crowds of people over. Refusing to disperse when police demand it isn't as violent as stabbing anti racist vets on public transit. Get that through your head. Even the historic examples provided while forms of violence, heavy violence that is dangerous, do not compare to the violence fascists were engaging in even before Hitler reached power. Mobs lynching and beating Jews, riots targeting Jewish neighborhoods burning their homes, gays being murdered, opposition members being stalked and threatened. Before Hitler even had power Germany basically had an underground civil war going on.
Charlotte Crinderlitch - Fri, 03 Nov 2017 23:14:28 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
at first i thought you just retarded but at second thought you're probably just a troll looking to smear shit.

1/10 i had to think about it for a split second.
Wesley Fandale - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 07:47:06 EST ID:yXlJogwy No.398371 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Lmao the new wolfenstein is out and these kek retards have videos of it up complaining about cultural Marxism and "if a game killing Jews and black leftists was released it would be a problem". They have videos of gameplay footage of people wearing swastikas being killed and exclaim "so much for the tolerant left". Funny theyre pissing even more people off now because gamers are commenting calling them idiots. Shit go look at a normal wolfenstein video, for the new one and read the comments. Kek all over triggered as fuck because 80% of the world doesn't care if they die.
Charlotte Crinderlitch - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 09:33:53 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.398375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's especially rich because the lot of em were gamergaters back when that was a thing. they claimed the freeze peach banner in the face of criticism but now that the shoe is on the other foot they've plainly abandoned that position.

it's easy to do the whole disagree but defend your right to say it thing when you dont actually disagree. people called them on that bullshit, that it was never really about freedom of speech, and now they've been proven right.
Sidney Gigglestitch - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 15:49:55 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.398384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dude, Wolfenstein has been about killing Nazis since the early 80s.
John Babbermeck - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 17:01:24 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.398386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah, but this time they poke a bit of fun at the alt-right.

If you're stealthy at one part, you'll come across two nazis having this conversation:
>Nazi 1: I have no sympathy for terrorists. How can they promote violence towards us, just because we hold a different point of view?
>Nazi 2: They are violent creatures, Karl.
>Nazi 1: I think they were born without a moral compass. We are humans too, aren't we? Violence only begets violence.
>Nazi 2: You're right Karl. Acts of violence are never okay. Never.
>Nazi 1: What kind of society would this be if I were to kill anyone who does not subscribe to my viewpoint?
>Nazi 2: A war zone Karl. It would be a war zone.
>Nazi 1: Makes me sick. By the way, did you apply for the New Orleans assignment?
>Nazi 2: I did! Are you going?
>Nazi 1: Damn straight!
>Nazi 2: Maybe we'll be in the same death squad?
>Nazi 1: I hope so! We work well together, don't you think?
>Nazi 2: I do!
Hamilton Sublingmune - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 20:43:54 EST ID:yXlJogwy No.398387 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also the new wolfensteins aren't old Nazis they're future Nazis. They apply Nazism to modern society. They're more OK with old Nazis being killed because it can be portrayed as something historical like it or not, but when it comes to futuristic nazi killing they feel personally attacked. Wonder why? The new wolfensteins also have you playing as members of a resistance rather than a standing army. So theyre especially triggered.
Nathaniel Heshmot - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 22:01:36 EST ID:NtrGsi6b No.398388 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Man, you guys get your panties bunched up pretty quick.

Just making a suggestion. You all said it yourself, your violent oppressors don't respond to reason, so I guess it's time to get violent. I understand that most of you are cowards, but when push comes to shove, you have to stand up for yourself eventually.
Hamilton Sublingmune - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 22:14:38 EST ID:yXlJogwy No.398389 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You act like it isn't heading in that direction by the very nature of the situation. Even the feds said they're alarmed at an underground "arms race" occuring between two political factions.
Hamilton Sublingmune - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 22:16:05 EST ID:yXlJogwy No.398390 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also that suggestion is illegal. Enjoy SWAT kicking in your door when someone from the future calls the police.
Nathaniel Heshmot - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 22:56:40 EST ID:NtrGsi6b No.398392 Ignore Report Quick Reply

For what? No one here would raise a hand to any sort of authority. Ghis whole thread is just tough talk behind anonimity and a computer screen.
George Narringstone - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 22:56:54 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Self-defense and defense of other people is the way to go, imho. Little good historically has come from assassination. There'd be a huge blowback too, the State would use it as an excuse to further militarize the police and impose new restrictions on the few freedoms we have left...

No, far more meaningful actions involve helping people. There's alot of people struggling and barely getting by right now and its getting worse.
John Blathergold - Sat, 04 Nov 2017 23:30:06 EST ID:7gZNoyeU No.398394 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The state doesn't moralistically respond the violence, the respond to power being challenged. Any movement that threatens the current order will be met with utmost repression and regarded as violent. Are people expected to never light the flame of collective power in fear of how great the attempts to extinguish it will become? It's called struggle for a reason.

Here's a Malatesta quote for you

>>If you say that you reject violence when it exceeds the limits imposed by the needs of defense, they accuse you of pacifism, without understanding that violence is the whole essence of authoritarianism, just as the repudiation of violence is the whole essence of anarchism.
George Narringstone - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 00:11:22 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Of course not, the State is the primary perpetrator of violence. Even if a revolutionary movement were pacifist, if it were succeeding, or appeared to be, the state would use violence to crush it. We're in agreement there. Power can be the ability of people to get together and solve problems together and to survive and thrive!
Fuck Bunhall - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 00:27:44 EST ID:Ioe+aNMP No.398397 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah. I mean we're mostly in agreement. I just think there's a lot of groups considered anarchist in history that could technically be considered "violent" but the question is in what sense? Not in the same sense as fascists, who have no problem brutalizing people and commiting mass murder. Fascist violence is more deadly because they have no problem sacrificing people or using them as pawns to get their way and manipulate politics. In Italy during the 80s fascists and police had to resort to committing atrocities and claiming "it was anarchists" when they realized who they were targeting did nothing to separate them from their wider support networks. So nationalists and police were basically like "not many people like us, this sucks. Let's hurt people who did nothing wrong and write some fake manifestos". Who would of thought? Not many poor people in Italy during the 1980s cried if a bank got stuck up, which was horrible for the propaganda campaigns of the law and order types.
Fuck Bunhall - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 00:29:38 EST ID:Ioe+aNMP No.398398 Ignore Report Quick Reply

TL;Dr you won't find any single anarchist who causes harm against people who have no role in oppresion purposely to do something such as schmere a political opponent; on the other hand this is a classic statist and fascist tactic.
George Narringstone - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 01:17:12 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I guess that comes down to defining what violence is, which would include property damage, but that's barely comparable to murder. Most anarchists throughout history have never killed. After WW1 then WW2 many were pacifists. There was a period of shootings and bombings during the late 1800s which targeted mostly powerful government and corporate officials. But there are a few incidents when innocents were killed. For example Émile Henry bombed a cafe in 1894 and was unapologetic about the random person killed and twenty injured.

The assassination of US president McKinley by an anarchist caused huge backlash and the anarchist movement of the time there never really recovered from the bad publicity (1901).

The original black bloc in Germany developed by the Autonomen was defensive (1970s-80s). At first against police violence, then to protect their squats and community centers, and after the fall of the Berlin wall, against aggressive neo-nazis. Well before this, the Autonomen movement in Italy fell apart after a gunfight with police, basically because they lost public support.

In comparison to fascists or any government the harm to life done by anarchists is a drop in an ocean of blood. Fascists are significantly more violent and dangerous. The neo-nazis of Germany during the time of the Autonomen would beat people up or kill them for not being white or looking like a hippie or a punk. This was the case everywhere, in the states too where skinheads would kill people at music venues until the punk scene and SHARPs kicked them out (with violence, but of the defensive sort). And yeah when fascists have been in control of government they mass-murder people.
George Narringstone - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 01:24:54 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Come to think about it the Autonomen tactics weren't altogether defensive because sometimes there'd be clandestine property damage at night all over the place in response to police and government repression. Again, property damage isn't even close to beating someone up or killing them, more so when the targets are corporate and government. Sorry aboot the double post.
Isabella Tootworth - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 06:07:37 EST ID:kPZQwjr2 No.398403 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I wouldn't say they never recovered from bad publicity. It's just the anti-state immigrants that made up their ranks, and those communities, after the new deal became assimilated into American nationalism. The publicity that was supposedly bad came from nationalist and liberal elements of American society, more privileged sects, who supported capital, the state,and above all the American nationalism who had an inherent xenophobia, and were colonial forces by nature.

For instance,one could say, "the black panthers got bad publicity after deadly shootouts" and you would be correct, but from whom? Reactionary,and liberal elements of society. I feel like things are never as simple as "the masses waiting to awaken" when the reality is, in history, we see that society is filled with forces and sects who reinforce and support dominance in different ways, from openly, to subconsciously; these forces can never be expected to suddenly support insurrections.

Another example, would be slave revolts,and abolitionists. They were,shunned,and hated by many. Workers, or middle class patriots weren't gasping in awe at their bravery. They were constantly getting bad publicity through their actions, whether it be passive, or the mass amounts of insurrections they engaged in long before the civil war. It was by no means, pretty, or widely accepted, but people who had the flame of freedom burning within their hearts felt the need to act against slavery regardless of the wider public's perception.

In Italy, during the years of lead, I'd say for this reason it wasn't some abstract loss of public support that, briefly, slowed Anarchism in southern Europe down. It was the adaption of repressive forces, to certain problems the state faced, certain methods that changed. Even there, where the RAF fell, anarchist networks in southern Europe remained strong, and are just as strong today.

Another thing, Spain, considered one of the largest Anarchist risings in history, was predated, by small acts of insurrection, that weren't accepted by most, until franco, and even then the liberal public eventually spat on the anarchists,who basically fought with no compromise until they died in imprisonment long after the civil war. durruti for example, was in a group called the avengers,before the civil war began. they engaged in many individualistic acts, including raids of barracks, and jailbreaks. he eventually had to flea to latin america. anarchist militants were the ones who basically called for everyone to "not just destroy fascism, but all forms of oppression now" during franco's rising, it wasn't the syndicalist unions that called for this from the start.

as for italy, here's an excerpt from a participant in the 70s, which touches on what you said about the people in Germany at the time going beyond what is considered immediately defensive

>>it is not the technical instrument we use which qualifies an action as violent or not, but rather its perspective in the confrontation with the class enemy. To employ armed struggle means essentially to be ready to respond to State violence and exploitation blow for blow at every level. It means passing from the purely defensive phase to one of attack in order to strike the enemy’s centres of organisation and repression. At the same time it must be capable of indicating to all the exploited where the true enemy is concealed, and that it is possible to strike it, it is not indistinguishable nor invulnerable. The latter is all the more important in an advanced phase of social democracy. Here the State is trying to draw the proletariat into its own logic to have them identify with the adversary through the mechanism of consensus and the co-management of exploitation, and at the same time use terror by exhibiting a strong apparatus of criminalisation and repression. This situation can be seen today not only in the German Federal Republic, but also in Italy and all the other areas of advanced capitalism.

>>Different methods and choices can obviously exist within the revolutionary struggle, not all of which can be shared from an anarchist viewpoint


I'm also not disagreeing with anything you said, or the pacifism (not passivity, but the actual pacifist movements,ie; bobby sands was involved in both passive resistance and the complete opposite,before his second prison term) and am just responding for historical purposes. I mostly like everything you have to say tbh. also the guy who did McKinley was considered mentally unstable,and a creep even by other anarchists who were just as militant. it's not like he was Alexandra berkman or malatesta lol.
George Handershaw - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 06:40:26 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.398406 Report Quick Reply

You really overuse commas. Just saying, it seems like you don't have a good grasp of English grammar.
Fuck Guttingstone - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 13:15:27 EST ID:vIPPdauo No.398412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It might not be their first language.

Besides the point, their post was still intelligible despite grammatical flaws.
Archie Duckfoot - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 13:32:59 EST ID:EB0W5mWj No.398413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
maybe not, yeah. wouldn't hardly be a first.

at least he isn't just dumping/spouting may mays, posting links/yt vids without context, throwing out ad-homs. at least he actually put together a coherent post complete with his own arguments. would be nice if /pol/ posts were more like that.
Polly Gamblewon - Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:54:46 EST ID:6tYnT5h8 No.398416 Report Quick Reply

Agreed, it would be.
Wesley Fivingham - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 17:23:58 EST ID:y4EuAgoL No.398461 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Glad that is what you took from my post. Maybe it is easier for you if I post in my native language? ;)
David Gamblelock - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 01:05:33 EST ID:8Hwf3Maj No.398484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hello, I am OP. It surprised me to see this thread alive now, as I assumed it died for good after one day in August. All I have to say to all of you still posting in here is contained in this webm.
Basil Billingbanks - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:52:20 EST ID:+L3PeO6p No.398493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_FdeYvub6U lets do it!
John Smallwater - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 15:28:12 EST ID:JVT35ACk No.398494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
when posting yt vids or links, please always provide you argument/context/an explanation as well.
Barnaby Mobbleford - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:55:45 EST ID:vIPPdauo No.398500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> raise the left gist brothers
Did I wander into bizrro-future /pol/ where the posti ng is just as shitty but rather than being hitler fetishists they're some sort pseudo marxists/ champagne socialists?

This board reads like /dis/
Jenny Gorringwet - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 18:43:39 EST ID:dg9+O20y No.398501 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That book linked has a lot of shit going down on a timeline that most anarchists don't even know about.

>>11 Bologna: Thousands of comrades come out into the streets following the killing of Lotta Continua comrade, Franco Lo Russo, at the university. A Christian Democrat bookshop is set on fire, shops are plundered, the Town Hall is attacked and the railway station is occupied. The Communist Party mayor calls in the army.

>>23 Cagliari: The Communist mayor and two Socialist Party officials are locked inside the town hall by 150 miners and sympathisers who have not received social security payments for the past 50 months, and because they have been fighting in vain for the past year to have vital repairs done to the mine where they work.

>>7 Monticelli: Six molotovs are thrown against the entrance to the Ministry of Justice following the confirmation of the nine years’ sentence meted out to anarchist comrade Giovanni Marini for having defended himself against an attack by fascists, killing one of them. Police guards begin a wild chase, and at least two hundred yards from the Ministry a young comrade is shot in the neck. The usual cry of legitimate defence is hurled by the assassins, but no gun was found in the hand of Mario Salvi, nor did it appear in any of the police photographs.
Cedric Funnersten - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 21:57:52 EST ID:oQJ4BhTr No.398509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i see you're new here. welcome.

there are similarities and it can be shitty here too, but to be sure there's a certain standard that's different from 4/pol/. one liner non arguments, argument-less may may posts, yt/link dumping, blatant baiting, forum sliding, chain posting to keep a thread afloat, etc., can all get you banned. read the rules, lurk a bit, you'll be fine.

fyi this place used to be a total left wing bubble itself, but over the years other chan /pol/tards have gradually increased, seeing it as a place to internet "fight" leftists. not a bad thing as long as you actually intend to debate or have a discussion, but if you're used to other /pol/ boards and just dumping may mays and infographics and spouting LELELEL TRIGGERED FACTS ARE RAYSIS, then prepare to be "censored".
Augustus Gannerfoot - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 23:40:22 EST ID:sZ0Jbbdr No.398514 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It must be an age old anarchist tradition to like make sure all of southern Europe remains a violent shithole or something. I love how they act like getting shot in the neck isn't self defense after you threw a deadly weapon at a government building. Oh booo hoo someone got 9 years for murdering a "fascist". Self defense doesn't exist when you have heavy political hatred towards the people you killed. I bet the fucker took things too far when beat up because antifa scumbags always promote " dead fascists ". 9 years is kid gloves. If this was going on in America the USA that dude would be begging for 9 years. The only 9 years he'd get in USA would be 9 years solitary and rightfully so. Political terrorism is NEVER acceptable.
Wesley Bimmleridge - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 00:46:45 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yep, the reasons for the anarchist movement losing support and influence was more complicated than simply bad publicity. Thanks for the correction. Also for those unexposed to anarchism until the assassination of McKinley, their sole impression of it was the media frenzy that soon ensued.

In regards to support from liberal elements, the Mexican anarchists of the Magonista movement (credited with establishing the conditions for the 1910 revolution there) became highly influential partly because of the support by liberals, in their mutual opposition. A problem that arose was that Ricardo Flores Magón diluted some of his libertarian theory to avoid alienating or losing support from the liberal elements. This merely delayed splits rather than prevented them, and allowed future officials to pretend to act in his name even though their against what the Magonista movement stood for.

Oddly enough, through the interim years in the US from the New Deal to the 60s, it was from people you wouldn't expect that kept anarchism vibrant and relevant. The most popular and effective tendency of the 30s to 40s, for example, was the Catholic Workers Movement. They combed direct service to the hungry and homeless with nonviolent protest activity. Although there appeared to be little interaction with the secular anarchist movement of the time.
>"They synthesized a fairly literal interpretation of the Christian Gospels with French "personalist" thought and Peter Kropotkin's vision of a decentralized anarchist communist social order.
From "Unruly Equality: US Anarchism in the 20th Century" pg. 133

Aside from that tangent, some interesting history & points from ya again. I agree there are forces and sects who can't be expected to suddenly support insurrections, even people who aren't particularly privileged. And vice-versa, perhaps support from people one wouldn't expect. There's probably many reasons as to why that is, i don't know.

I also agree that determining the right course of action or revolutionary strategy for a free and equal (as possible) society shouldn't only be based on bad or good publicity. The same action may both inspire and repulse anyways, regardless of being on the right side of history or not.
Ernest Blankinson - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 21:25:48 EST ID:qJvBxs6E No.398538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah that's an interesting point with the Catholic workers movement. What's really insane is that after the new deal, anarchism in the united States struggle never fully resurfaced after the new deal. Whereas in Mexico and Canada it continued, as well as southern Europe. It's made some very recent resurgences though. The state alone can't be to blame; a lot of American anarchists fall into horrible traps of subcultural irrelevancy and often their bark is bigger than their bite which never is a good look. For instance, there has been a horrible past trend to pump hundreds and thousands into bookstores in areas of commerce instead of things like gyms, and broader social centers in run down areas that need them. They often utilize "militancy" as a watered down spectacle rather than a continuous attack against repressive forces or defense of contested autonomous spaces. In fact it was black lumpen rebellions in Ferguson that has nudged anarchism in America into a more generalized resistance movement willing to get its shit together. That combined with prison rebellions and the rising fascists that reacted against these rebellions. Before this much of the movement was limited to the northwest and norcal. The traps are finally being left behind and the coming years will be a real test of how solidified things are becoming.
Charlotte Sillyfield - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 22:36:47 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think the reason the Autonomen were such a powerful force in Italy and Germany in the 70s-80s was because of people experiencing first hand how messed up fascism was. So people were willing to go hard and experiment with how to be free in an authoritarian society?

Yeah, the subcultural traps are part of what that article "Why a Vanguard?" you linked earlier >>398344 critiques. The insurrectionist anarchists (among others) were in their own bubble, poorly connected to the lives, beliefs, and struggles of their neighbors. To be fair its hard to sustain connections over time. Not being connected to the struggles of the general populace was eventually realized and now that's the primary focus, as it should be.

The reason the alter-globalization movement was so effective at first was because of the organizing that went on in the background that formed a diverse coalition. For example Earth First working with loggers rather than fueling the fire of antagonism. Hence "Who Bombed Judi Bari?" the FBI. Many within that movement had anarchist principles, but weren't explicitly anarchist. Unfortuantely there was alot of antagonism between those people and the black bloc anarchists after the Battle of Seattle. Hands down the reemergence of the insurrectionist tendency in the States (while the black bloc had been going hard for awhile elsewhere), and now the explicitly anarchist movement is finally coming of age again.

During the early 2000s large mobilizations could only occur at summits where people from all over gathered. Now significant mobilizations can occur locally. The prominent anarchist media platforms like Crimethinc and Submedia have alot more influence and connections then they did back then. It really does feel like there's a resurgence going on, on multiple levels, from different walks of life. Now if only a truly libertarian coalition can form from these diverse tendencies, then powerful waves can be made, especially for the well-being of those who suffer. Its still some years off though. This will come about from tedious day-to-day organizing, helping individuals one at a time, and demonstrating the effectiveness of anarchist beliefs and ideals through short-term practical actions.

Forgive the rambling, this stuff is exciting to me, although I'm still pretty pessimistic about the future of humanity and the Earth. (We're doooommed!) But lets not go down with the ship with a whimper, eh? The conditions and infrastructure that is established today, and how we respond to present crisis, will determine how others respond in the future.
Charlotte Sillyfield - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 22:59:28 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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In response to your critique about pouring money and effort into books, infoshops, and publishing houses, those efforts also have their merits. During the low-point of anarchism from New Deal to the 60s, that was anarchists' focus, cultural, reflective, intellectual, small cooperatives, and mostly symbolic dissent. These efforts planted the seeds for the explosion of activity and movements from the 60s on. So even though there weren't any big events going on, there were seeds being planted beneath the snow.

I think social centers are really important too, again for non-political reasons as well. A place to organize in, but also a place to get together and play at. You got another good point that Ferguson inspired many people to get involved, so did Occupy, even with its failures. During Ferguson there were solidarity actions all over the world and throughout the States. Occupy also inspired people to take action in cities and rural towns, with their own twists to the tactic.
Basil Fubberstone - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 23:22:35 EST ID:iWDHNytQ No.398541 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah, it seems Ferguson was one of the final events that shattered the counter insurgency applied against rebels in the street. Not completely but heavily. Police basically would utilize leftist and liberal leaders and use them to manage situations in the streets while spreading rumors and disdain towards anarchists. For instance police could rush a crowd violently and instead of blaming the state, you'd have self appointed leaders who usually could be spotted interacting with cops blaming "anarchists". It runs really deep. This is why, police approach towards protest seemed increasingly less violent since the 70s or hell even the 90s. In America at least. Meanwhile if you look at Italy and Spain it looks like police are ready to put students in a coma. Why? Because the sly methods of counter insurgency don't work as heavily there.

Here's a book you have to check out. In fact everyone needs to read it. Life during wartime: resisting counter insurgency. It's a very important book when it comes to praxis. The counterinsurgency isn't shattered at all either. It's just its on a decline but there has to be continuous active cultures counter to it. For example notice how long the riots in Ferguson lasted. That's because the police panicked and reacted in the classical violent form of control. It was a small suburb with little to no complex counter insurgency or liberal leadership. They had to import a black highway patrol cop and hand the entire operation over the statues. They bad to import professional activists and clergy leaders. Meanwhile in Baltimore and NYC anti police rebellions broke out before, and while fierce they did not last very long compared to Ferguson. Why? Because major cities in America adapted to countless rebellions throughout history and built illusions of coomangement of affairs. This might be a reach but in NYC dumpsters are legit chained down and streets were developed to become wider after series of riots in 70s-80s. The NYPD can control a situation without even having to fire a hint of gas whereas the Ferguson PD fired tear gas indiscriminately and couldn't control shit for weeks.
Basil Fubberstone - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 23:26:24 EST ID:iWDHNytQ No.398542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Here's an excerpt from the book I'm talking about. A few chapters actually. There's a lot too it and it's only about 14.99


Another book you made me think of blessed is the flame. It's 8 bucks. The entire doomed feeling is covered in that book. Its about anarchism and nihilism and Holocaust revolts under the nazi regime that basically had no hope of amounting to anything in their individual life's but death. Yet their perspective was, "were already dead and revolt in our final hours is the closest thing to life we can grasp onto"
Basil Fubberstone - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 23:33:39 EST ID:iWDHNytQ No.398543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>What does it take to resist in absolutely futile and overwhelming situations?
Inside of the Nazi concentration camps, places designed to eradicate all possibilities for resistance, inmates organized, sabotaged, and reflexively fought back against their oppressors. Within each of these stories we can find a simmering spirit of anarcho-nihilism, a tendency that challenges us to translate our feelngs of hopelessness into wild and joyous forms of attack.
Because even if we don't stand a chance, we refuse to be led to the slaughter like sheep.
Basil Fubberstone - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 23:51:18 EST ID:iWDHNytQ No.398544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I also meant to say they handed operations over to staties/county. The Ferguson Sherrif basically got a talking to by feds and they got a lesson in counter insurgency 101 im willing to bet because they brought so many clergy in while meanwhile handing over their operations to troopers with some black patrolmen being the face of it. At this point it was futile though. Rebels in Ferguson were already seeing themselves as connected to a global struggle and were taking note of tactics from around the world.
Martha Grimville - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 21:59:35 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Thanks for the recommendations, I'll check them out eventually. On Ferguson, I don't think it was a breaking down of counter-insurgency, or a dramatic shift of the populace's perspective of the police. Among other injustices people in that county were being extorted by the police through court fines and fees. A NPR article covers it pretty well: https://www.npr.org/2014/08/25/343143937/in-ferguson-court-fines-and-fees-fuel-anger People there already distrusted, even despised the police. Ferguson blew up because of a simmering of discontent at the way people were being treated and that cop killing Michael Brown and leaving his body in the street for five and a half hours was the spark.

It was messed up how the clergy leaders tried to defuse the situation by facing the crowd with their back to the riot police line right after the police had just hurt a bunch of people. The St. Louis protests that are still ongoing had clergy members participating, except this time they tried to be a part of the protest, by non-violent means, rather than a buffer between the police and the people. Which is better imo. They were still trying to impose how they believed things should be done upon everyone tho. Its like, come on clergy members, you do you and let others act how they see fit.

Saul Williams - The Noise Came From Here https://youtu.be/jdrgACZ_YBU
Augustus Fackleham - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 22:44:39 EST ID:SHyyI25x No.398560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's why I love killer Mike. Not only does he call out police with his lyrics but clergy.

Conditions create a villain, the villain is givin' vision
The vision becomes a vow to seek vengeance on all the vicious
Liars and politicians, profiteers of the prisons
The forehead engravers, enslavers of men and women
Includin' members of clergy that rule on you thru religion
Augustus Fackleham - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 23:02:17 EST ID:SHyyI25x No.398561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Good song link BTW.
Augustus Fackleham - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 23:03:22 EST ID:SHyyI25x No.398562 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Damn it I posted the wrong image. I have too many funny news screenshots from local news all over the country lmfao.
Edward Sabbleweck - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 22:47:26 EST ID:E0iKQ/s8 No.398619 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They strip your kids to the nude and tell 'em God will forgive them
Sidney Fuckingdale - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 00:13:18 EST ID:i+8mSKdH No.398630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hell yeah, its good to critique how church organizations can interfere with movements for justice (or are corrupt). But critiques should go both ways. Yeares before Ferguson people were already being killed by the police with more frequency and it was church organizations that were pushing for reform and bringing attention to what was going on, as well as small anarchist groups too, with very different tactics and similar short-term goals, but different long-term goals. Instead of jamming the schism between these different perspectives and groups I think people should seek common ground while respecting the differences that exist. A la the St. Paul principles, a separation of time and place for different protests or whatever, that have different levels of conflict. Not just libertarian coalitions forming, but a broader base then that including as many people and beliefs as possible. Working together when they can, and doing their own thing when they can't.

Here's another good one:
>Danielle Ponder - Criminalized

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