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Brexit beggining to hit the fan by Edwin Bockleman - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 11:48:41 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.398452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://behindthepaywallblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/01/theresa-mays-brexit-strategy-hits-a-legal-minefield/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/31/theresa-mays-brexit-strategy-hits-legal-minefield/#comments

Basically the Brits seem to be waking up to the idea that global trade rules aren't some sort of elaborate bluff by the EU.
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Edwin Sobblesodging - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:15:32 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.398457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398452
Well duh. Britain is basically asking for all the good shit of the EU with none of the stuff they disliked, and are fucking stunned when the EU is telling them to eat shit.
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Nigel Pimmerhood - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 16:50:41 EST ID:9G/vKL3G No.398459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We should just cancel Brexit at this point. The Tories are done with the way things are going.
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Priscilla Sellernod - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 17:40:47 EST ID:7BTeZD49 No.398464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398459
Democracy is so annoying when people don't vote the way you want them to.
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David Blackshit - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:21:42 EST ID:kWrwRTHc No.398465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398464
Let's be honest, referenda aren't exactly the most democratic process of directing policy. After all, the ruling party still gets to choose which alternatives the voters are presented with and implement their decision, in which case it is very possible that far less than a majority of the people is happy with the resulf.

Besides, current polling is on the issue of Brexit still shows the public split right down the middle, with an insignificantly larger group of people saying they prefer Britain to stay in the EU. The one reason this is a bit surprising is that usually the voting blocs consolidate behind the winners, which suggests that there should be a lot more leavers now.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/
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Martha Peggleford - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 19:50:20 EST ID:y4EuAgoL No.398468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Why don't they brexit right out of Ireland while they're at it? Oh wait far right politics in the UK are making a full on nationalist come back and supporters of loyalist paramilitary forces are back in full swing when it comes to Parliament.
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Barnaby Crendleshit - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:38:17 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.398470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398468
May's legacy is a botched Brexit, and reviving the troubles. What a fucking leader.
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Barnaby Mobbleford - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 21:55:08 EST ID:vIPPdauo No.398471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398470
To be fair, although I do not think History will view May favourably, every day that passes looks like Britain dodged a bullet.

If my country ever tied my fate to the fiscal policy and degree of functionality of a country like Greece, I'd probably move.

You can't have unified monetary policy but no Unified Fiscal policy and expect a functioning bureaucracy.
Then there's the fact that political identity is in no unified and even at times seems diametrically opposed. (Communist-Authoritarian, Conservative-Authoritarian, Protest Parties, Pseudo Marxists, and Nationalism of all stripes are surging).

The disparity between countries in the EU is amazing to say the least. Stats on Italy and Greece would make me want to pay any exit price.
From an international finance perspective I can understand EU demands, but from a purely philosophical point it is very funny.
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Lillian Draddlesotch - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 05:15:15 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.398487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398471
>every day that passes looks like Britain dodged a bullet.

More like we dodged a bullet, but in doing so stumbled backwards off a cliff.

I don't know if Brexit was ever a good idea in theory; most of the British public don't, because the debate around the referendum was a mess of misinformation and propaganda on both sides. That doesn't even matter any more though, because the reality of how the situation has been handled is an absolute clusterfuck and any potential positives are looking more and more like wishful thinking.
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Caroline Wapperkure - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 07:49:00 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.398488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398468
The Irish are somewhat vexed it is true. No one want's a hard border but the only way to avoid one is to keep NI in the customs union. This means either the whole UK stays in or there is a border between NI and the UK. May has babbled about some magic technology that can circumvent this but she hasn't told us what it is yet.
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Polly Bladgewell - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:28:20 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.398489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398488
>No one want's a hard border but the only way to avoid one is to keep NI in the customs union.
There's another way to avoid a hard border between Ireland and North Ireland.
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Caroline Wapperkure - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:25:28 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.398491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398489
Should they vote to join the rest of Ireland then the EU has clarified that it would automatically become part of the EU as per the GFA.

Logistically the border is best placed in the Irish sea since I doubt even the East Germans could police the land border. However NI does more trade with the rUK than with the RoI + rEU. Plus there is the DUP.

Still, at least the Irish on both sides of the border will have the opportunity to become filthy rich with smuggling.
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Henry Brusslewot - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:04:21 EST ID:OoyVAyG3 No.398495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398489

Can I think of a better way. UK out for starts. Fuck that piece of shit flag. Pic related. Secondly expel all politicians who looked to manage a "kinder and gentler" colonialism through illusions of comagement. Third abolish capital and all institutions of dominance and cooption with a restoration of the rebellious spirit of the Irish culture. Self management for the win.
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Hugh Dankincocke - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 18:54:56 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.398502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398495
lol @ that pic
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Graham Cessleson - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 20:57:22 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.398503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398495
>Can I think of a better way. UK out for starts. Fuck that piece of shit flag.
That's the GB flag minus the Irish part, symbolizing NI succession.
If Scotland succeeds, then they lose the blue background and white X, though they might replace it with green for Wales and black background (or yellow cross) for Cornwall.

>Secondly expel all politicians who looked to manage a "kinder and gentler" colonialism through illusions of comagement. Third abolish capital and all institutions of dominance and cooption with a restoration of the rebellious spirit of the Irish culture. Self management for the win.
One step at a time. I'm unfamiliar with the irish/british situation, but anarchism probably isn't a more popular platform than capitalism in NI at this time, thus not a good way to promote succession.
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Clara Foddleburk - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 21:12:27 EST ID:dg9+O20y No.398504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398503

My bad I literally didn't zoom in enough to see the flag.


>>but anarchism probably isn't a more popular platform than capitalism

You're correct somewhat, which is what I meant by
"restoration of the rebellious spirit of the Irish culture". Pic related. Bobby sands funeral, which hundreds of anarchists possibly even thousands attended. You can see the sea of black flags flying high. Of course many other people were in attendance too. It was a huge events with days of rage not only against the British occupation but against electorial politics and the police in general.
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Clara Foddleburk - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 21:15:30 EST ID:dg9+O20y No.398505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398502

Yeah that memes great made by some Irish youth page. Here's a picture of black flags flying out of a window in Belfast during Mass clashes with security forces and police after more hunger strikers died. People were congrating outside with the family of the deceased ready to join a larger March that was giving the Brits hell.
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Clara Foddleburk - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 21:16:56 EST ID:dg9+O20y No.398506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398505

Going to drop one more picture for the hell of it.
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Clara Foddleburk - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 21:21:29 EST ID:dg9+O20y No.398507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398506

Why not one more? For historic purposes might as well show the time line of events through the pictures. When the March reached police lines. Everyone began making up at the barricades and RA sympathizers met with random youth politicized by sands death and groups of anarchists.
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Clara Foddleburk - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 21:24:14 EST ID:dg9+O20y No.398508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398507
>>making up
>>masking

Fixd. Not going to waste a post. Here's another from earlier that day before clashes reached their peak. Youth in tears, sits and people sign inspirational messages to their dead and leave the notes by a makeshift memorial.
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Augustus Gannerfoot - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 23:43:19 EST ID:sZ0Jbbdr No.398515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everyone in this thread hates the united kingdom trying to declare it's sovereignity against globalists I see. Reality check: Ireland has the UK to thank for everything. The UK basically civilized a once violent and disorderly people who popped babies out like rats.
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Betsy Brindersire - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 02:47:36 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.398519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398515
Fucked up thing is some British people still think this is true.
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Priscilla Fuckingspear - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 05:31:58 EST ID:uDmWEQxW No.398523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398519
Yeah, it's like they don't realise they treated it like an african colony for like 400 years or more. Fuckers could have been more than farmers if Britain had let them but nah, porky needs his surplus.
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James Dondlewill - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 11:07:06 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.398527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>398519
Yep and it's killing them in negotiations. The thing is that not even their leadership seems to know what the EU is and how it works. Quite remarkable for a country that has been a member for 40yrs.
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Eliza Bashwater - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 13:24:04 EST ID:MUeiB4z+ No.398529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398515

t. Oliver Cromwell
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Cyril Clurringhood - Wed, 08 Nov 2017 20:34:13 EST ID:009kO2zb No.398536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398527

A group simalir to the IRA rising again would be the best thing to happen to northern Ireland and the worst thing to happen to the UK. Yet if they keep pushing it's inevitable and it's a battle they won't win the second time around. With the way they're acting now, already any vote for seceding would probably be cracked down catolonia style, only with even more severe implications considering the war in Ireland continued well into the 90s whereas Spain's civil war ended long before the 50s-60s.
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Lydia Billyham - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 14:47:58 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.398547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41923765
It's getting "dramatic" apparently.

Basically it seems that if the next meeting doesn't go well all hell will break loose. The EU will need like six months just to have 38 parliaments ratify the deal (assuming they do) so if stuff doesn't get nailed down soon nothing simple will ever get agreed in the end. I think it's already too late for complicated.
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Cyril Bannerwon - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:15:46 EST ID:+w32cACS No.398552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398465
>referenda aren't exactly the most democratic process of directing policy

He said not after the referendum on the EU in 2004 but when it's most convenient to say so and shit on the democratic mandate.
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Phyllis Goodman - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:16:39 EST ID:cB61Xg61 No.398617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398552
a simple-majority plebiscite on membership in the EU is kind of a hamfisted populism though. Popular opinion on the issue can shift across that 50% threshold week to week just based on market performance and terrorist attacks. It's one thing to hold a referendum on a policy that can be enacted and dropped by a single government, but membership in the world's largest trade union is equivalent to a major constitutional amendment. Leave won mostly on nativist lies anyway; the border policy is going to be the first thing the UK hands over to try to soften the spanking.
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Lillian Gusslenat - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 10:34:44 EST ID:RECqzvsy No.398664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oi! The bleedin' paddies are getting uppity now!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4940971/irelands-naive-young-prime-minister-should-shut-his-gob-on-brexit-and-grow-up/

It's a good thing the UK holds all the cards or this strategy of pissing off all your negotiating partners could backfire.
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Ian Cellerkut - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 13:53:28 EST ID:5IdieRNJ No.398665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398664
Man, you think the British Empire was still kicking with how some brits are acting.
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Phineas Paffingburk - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 16:23:06 EST ID:gakTOcWS No.398669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>398665

They wish it was. They couldn't take on the Irish resistance during the troubles what makes them think they could when their empire is just a former image of itself riding on the wake of America and NATO. If they created a situation like the 1970s they'd quickly be begging for the EU and Americas military. The delusion of their strength thru brexit would fade so quick.


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