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Stirner on labor by Hamilton Grandway - Wed, 02 May 2018 09:41:48 EST ID:EQAAY6X6 No.209163 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Stirner knows literally nothing about labor or laborers. His ideas are juvenile. He thinks laborers are more powerful than businessmen/entrepreneurs. He’s wrong. The two are essentially equal in power, because the one cannot exist without the other. People like Stirner grossly under-estimate the intelligence of the entrepreneur and grossly over-estimate the simplicity of the laborer. I been in labor my entire life; seen tons of guys spend even 25 years straight happily laboring for good pay, because they’re simple and conservative and are much more focused on getting paid and going home to their families than becoming some sort of businessman or critical-thinker. These conservative family-oriented laborers are literally our backbone, and they always require leaders to guide them.
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Fucking Woffingmare - Fri, 11 May 2018 18:58:07 EST ID:/tjfruPD No.209206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think the capability to do managerial tasks and to do general labor is within most people's reach if they have the opportunity to learn. Coworkers point out bad decisions by management amidst comments about their life and their other interests. At my current job there are younger coworkers who are more capable at using technology than the older supervisors and managers, and faster at it. For awhile a fellow coworker was helping with scheduling before he got fired for not being serious enough, and he was better at scheduling than any of the supervisors currently (after he learned how). We got a new manager recently who was hired from outside the company and they've made tons of mistakes concerning scheduling. Because of their inexperience (but better credentials and a degree) they've made it much more difficult for us laborers, who have to work harder because there are fewer people to work the line on a busy day, and by scheduling too many people on slow days they lose money for the company, or keep the place open when we should have closed (or vice-versa).

There's alot of small changes that could be done to improve how things work.. at work, but since the supervisors and managers rarely step in and do the actual work, they're not aware of the potential changes, and often aren't open to input from the laborers who do have the direct experience. No, all they know is what they see when they are around for a short-while, and what the numbers on spreadsheets and pie-charts say. That kind of information could easily be made available to the general worker, many of whom would draw similar or better conclusions about the correct course of actions. Its like abstract theory versus practical action, when instead the process should be reciprocally informing each other, theory informing action and action informing theory. As is there is a division of labor along pretty much class lines when managerial and laborer tasks could be shared.

There's probably a different level of involvement by owners of small-businesses compared to corporations and such. It seems owners of larger-businesses are left to speculation on the stock market and hire someone else to mana…
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Walter Peddledudge - Tue, 15 May 2018 17:37:12 EST ID:Q0mLuuoM No.209212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209163
Op can i see dtudies on how the laborer is literally our backbone. Nb gor shitpost i vould not resist.
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Sidney Toothall - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:07:14 EST ID:t87tpTXY No.209290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209176
I work with tons of laborers in park systems. Of the dozens of laborers I know, all of them seek out or at least wish for better pay, benefits, and/or promotion. Such sweeping generalizations as yours are bound to unfairly label a group. I'd go on to call you a twat and explain how laughably misguided your arrogant and incoherent views are, but >>209196 already took care of that, so I'll just leave this golden nugget of humor for you to reflect on.

>They’re simple folk, they need leadership and guidance, they need people like me making the big important decisions while they do the labor, because they don’t have the capability to properly make the important decisions. If they did, they wouldn’t be laborers.
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Phoebe Dishcocke - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 23:31:39 EST ID:SGCbMw+u No.209295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209290
Well, let’s just say it’s quite obvious both of you are not managers and while at least 1 of you are not laborers both of you are far too optimistic about the ‘potential’ capability of the people you’re defending, of which you are not even one of. It must be nice hiding all your ideologies behind countless ‘what if’s, but you know, you’ll make more money investing your thoughts into reality, not ideology, my friend.
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Barnaby Nuckleforth - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:55:47 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209295
If you are OP, you have countless arguments to respond to. If you are OP, you once again reiterated the only thing you have said this whole time 'you are wrong because I know the minds of these other people better than you, I am right because what I know of them is right.' Nothing has changed about the state of your inability to defend your own arguments.

If you are not OP, you can't piggyback on his arguments. Make your own claims about why what everyone else is saying in this thread is false, or shut up. Reiterating the same anecdotal justification as OP with no further evidence does not constitute having a discussion and is disruptive.


transphobia by Isabella Danningstick - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:48:12 EST ID:D27gVweR No.208297 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why is there so much more visceral hatred of trans people than gay or bi people? I've noticed this for a while but comment sections of recent news articles really brought it to light. I keep seeing over and over again people saying stuff like "I don't mind gays but trans people are mentally ill blahblah SJWs something something free speech" and people making a million "logical" excuses as to why trans people shouldn't have certain rights that don't really make sense and do nothing to really hide their irrational contempt but why is that really? Is it just because trans people are more noticeable? Less physically appealing generally to most people? "Icky"? I feel like anti-SJW crusaders have made this the hill they want to die on and it doesn't make a lot of sense considering the amount of trans people in their own community is vastly higher than average.

Also while I don't think it matters to save us some posts on this incredibly slow board I'm neither trans nor gay and I don't really get on the liberal outrage train very often I'm just a mostly neutral, vaguely left-leaning party.
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Eliza Mirringshit - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:21:47 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209276
Hey mr. alt-right troll, in most states and countries in the west LGBT people already can adopt children. Cry some more about it. Also, as the group of people who always complains about the consequences of single motherhood, why are you trying to put more children in the foster care system (i.e. raised by the state?)

Btw, anyone who thinks gay people need to have kids for gay genes to be passed on needs a refresher in evolutionary genetics spoiler: if that would have worked, it would have happened a million years ago. Even if you exterminated every single queer person in the world, within 1 generation they would re emerge to virtually the same prevalence.
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Hugh Wonderdut - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 04:48:28 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.209287 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209276
Fuck off and kill yourself. Take a knife, slit your fucking faggot wrists and then disembowel yourself you goddamn cancerous fucking immigrant. End your fucking existence. No one will miss you. No one will remember you. You are a waste of flesh and you will never contribute to society.
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Nicholas Brookbanks - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 02:04:41 EST ID:4+oWREai No.209292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209276
If a bot watched/read nothing but anti-sjw videos/posts online, you are what it would become.

Are you even capable of individual thought? Did you just one day decide to turn your brain off and become a mindless sponge to absorb nothing but pseudo intellectualism nonsense online? Because it sure seems like it... either that or you really are a bot.
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James Snodridge - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 02:09:54 EST ID:hIXQ3Qbs No.209293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209287
Just saying, stuff like this is exactly what they want. You're just gonna give the troll a giggle saying stuff like this. That's what they're after. Just ignore them. They won't go away but they will not get the validation that they need.
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Basil Dennerfoot - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 18:53:30 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209293
While don't feed the trolls is probably generally good advice this dude seems to have bailed immediately upon seeing the reaming he was getting from multiple quarters...if the culture of a board/site/whatever is anti-troll enough it can prevent them from getting a foothold and decide to go somewhere more fruitful.


Americans hate everything besides cars by Caroline Sarryforth - Mon, 28 May 2018 13:04:17 EST ID:AwbVlekG No.209223 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why are Americans so convinced that mass transit is a conspiracy?
If anything, there’s a pretty plain conspiracy to fund cars over every other mode of transportation.
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Jarvis Hittingbutch - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 20:07:49 EST ID:dpFcLaUw No.209283 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209282

Inb4 hurrr durr nice statistics. Hahahaha go look at Interpol's threat list. It's all medeterianian violent commies and the islamics those dirty southern euro commies allow to flow into the border
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Barnaby Boddlechire - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 00:49:57 EST ID:AwbVlekG No.209284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I hope non-Americans can see the situation in this thread here perfectly.

A simple discussion of transit modes besides the car devolves QUICKLY into conspiracy theories of communism vs. capitalism, neither of which have to do with transit. Now you know why American infrastructure is stuck in 1950.
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Graham Snodstock - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 22:55:02 EST ID:vms6yrtd No.209285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209284

Lmao mass transit has nothing to do with the economy? Nothing in this society is benign. Stop drinking the flouride you liberal twat.
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Thomas Mondlehet - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 00:00:21 EST ID:xflefAjS No.209286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think american cities grew with cars mostly, so they are good for cars. big asian or euro cities were built with horses and bicycles and shit. so they're more compact as a foundation. that's why mass transit works in those places.
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Clara Turveywater - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:50:52 EST ID:t87tpTXY No.209289 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Trains got fucked. Niggas had to build tracks, and cars, and pay for police, insurance, and medical niggas, and everything else. With cars, we pay for the cars, and we pay for the roads, we pay for the insurance, and we pay for the police and EMTs, and then we pay for the roads again via toll booths. That's what allowed cars to overtake trains. Come visit us on /his/ some time for more exciting discussion.


COLLEGE by James Smallshaw - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:34:14 EST ID:YBVc1XtN No.209081 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The US is fucking its economy by putting students in debt to get useless educations.

I don't believe college is worthless, and I even think there's value in the arts and humanities. HOWEVER, at least 3/4 of the colleges in the US are bad or in low standing, so if you get anything other than a technical degree from those schools, it's literally useless.

For example, 8/24 colleges in Colorado have degrees of any value, and 20/84 colleges in Massachusetts are worthwhile.

The United States should only keep open the quarter of its schools that provide valuable degrees in the arts or humanities. The other 3/4 should be shut down, or converted to either technical or trade schools.
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Phoebe Turveyhall - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:12:53 EST ID:SGCbMw+u No.209145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP my college was 7K a year and in my field the graduates had an average income of 50K annually in their first year post graduation with a bachelors.

It’s like I tell everyone; if you’re going to college to learn about something you’re interested in that isn’t extremely valuable, like Accounting or Management, then you’re just wasting your time. But also, everyone should go to Community College to get their electives out of the way in the cheap.
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 30 Apr 2018 04:02:16 EST ID:I3P3lRo5 No.209160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209145
Community colleges are a great place to start, but often pose problems for racial/ethnic minorities.
If someone is going to study a non-STEM field then they have to expect to attend graduate school. There's no way around it unless a person is going to college for other reasons.
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Edward Mollytedge - Thu, 03 May 2018 09:55:24 EST ID:MdrXzUYs No.209170 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The pursuit of knowledge for the sake of knowledge is a noble cause.

That said we have a serious problem in America where most jobs require a college degree and still don't pay a living wage. Even in the stem field there are plenty of shit pay jobs. And if everyone just switched over to a stem major tomorrow all that would do is run down the wages of stem jobs. That's why silicon valley is pushing coding education so hard, because once everyone learns the basics of coding in middle school, suddenly it's not that unique of a skill.

Education should be free, anyone who works a full week should earn a living wage and rent should be illegal.
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Clara Turveywater - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:47:47 EST ID:t87tpTXY No.209288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209170
>Education should be free
>Anyone who works a full week should earn a living wage
>Rent should be illegal

While we're at it...

>Access to medical treatment should be free - US healthcare is double what most other developed countries pay, and yet all other developed countries provide healthcare as a human right
>Loans should be regulated and required by law to be interest-free, as Lybia had made things before we destroyed their country
>Universal Basic Income - all the money goes to the rich, and the wealth gap continues to widen - redistribute the money to the poor masses

And to the prototypical conservative or neoliberal, who would ask, "where is the money going to come from?"...

The DoD's own investigative branch found that $24,000,000,000,000 (trillion) went missing from the US in 2015, enough money to provide all of the shit outlined above for over a decade. Add to that that most of our tax dollars go to crooked subsidies (corn, sugar, oil) and war companies, who encourage genocide in countries like Yemen, and it's clear that the money is available.
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Basil Dennerfoot - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:11:15 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209291 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209288
Add to that the fact that money is a made up human contrivance for coordinating behavior and it's clear. We throw away more food than needed by people starving. We have more unsold houses than homeless people. If we don't even have the capability to feed, clothe, and shelter ourselves, then what is the point of all this excess? The illusory promises of capitalism are slowly killing the planet.


Are we at a turning point? by Archie Turveywill - Sun, 29 Apr 2018 17:50:52 EST ID:4YtPS+TM No.209151 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxv-W4r91LQ&t
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Phineas Wittingfuck - Wed, 09 May 2018 01:52:22 EST ID:Irsa/pK4 No.209185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209182
well the state fails to teach children no to pollute the earth, a consequence of capitalism, which keeps people from teaching their kids themselves because of jobs. and the tendency toward standardization. and for being unable to encourage children to be anything beyond the lowest-common-denominator of human being that is the basis of mass exploitation of populations and the earth.
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Edwin Fuckingwill - Wed, 09 May 2018 15:10:35 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209186 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209185
>>the state fails to teach children no to pollute the earth,
Well, obviously, because the state is capitalist so it's in its best interest to indoctrinate little drones who will say anything to defend that system (like that poster about Max Stirner on the front page.)

My point being that clearly you can't trust the state to educate your children on anything other than what serves the state, so it's incumbent on anyone who recognizes the problems with the global status quo to take charge of educating their own children themselves.
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Phineas Wittingfuck - Wed, 09 May 2018 15:47:58 EST ID:Irsa/pK4 No.209190 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209186
yeah dude, and if kids have more time to run around in general then they will definitely stil be able to find and meet other kids and form friendships.

when kids are herded together, it reduces the incentive to be sociable, hence technology addiction and all thr stupid habits that go with it.

A number of the coolest motherfuckers in history were home schooled. Kierkegaard for example grew up learning from his dad just looking and walking around Copenhagen.
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Betsy Chankinhood - Sat, 12 May 2018 22:32:55 EST ID:9Tl5h2ty No.209210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209190
Also the worst of the inept assholes tend to be homeschooled. If your parents are cool and they homeschool you, then fine, but if they are assholes and homeschool you, you dont get the chance of being that one kid in the family who left the westboro baptist church.
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Eliza Mirringshit - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:14:07 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Compassion by Alice Pimmledale - Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:54:41 EST ID:f7VKYGuq No.208552 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Rejecting any and all forms of transgenderism is an act of compassion.

If a person announces they are going to kill themselves, the compassionate action is NOT to allow them to continue. The compassionate action is to prevent them and help them no longer humor that idea. The same for trans individuals. Hormones are a direct assault on one's genetics. That is a slow form a suicide.
Mental illness is to be treated and compassionately guided.
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Hedda Choffingdale - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:23:17 EST ID:pLi6jhVd No.209214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208552
>nazi retard who posts redpanels
Nobody believes you give a shit about transgender people. If your logic was correct trans people in the most transphobic nations would have better outcomes, but they don't, they suffer violence and discrimination at increased rates because it's fucking obvious that's what your attitude leads to OP. It takes absolutely no empathy to call someone mentally ill as a way of writing off their experiences.
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Doris Gissleman - Thu, 17 May 2018 21:45:44 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.209215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everytime the mods remove or lock the current /pol/ shit thread on /b/, these cocksucking faggot the future immigrants revive this thread again.

Really makes you think, doesn't it? Fucking closet fags. The whole lotta those alt-right neonazi wankers.
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Molly Drusslechare - Fri, 18 May 2018 11:27:35 EST ID:V8N/5kWg No.209216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209215
>Fucking closet fags. The whole lotta those alt-right neonazi wankers.
Yeah it's no secret anymore just how much of the far right mindset is motivated by sexual pathology.

Trannies, gays, stallionoldry, interracial sex, BBC, incels, MGTOW, PUAs, alpha/beta mentality, obsessing over testosterone levels, fear that soybeans will steal your masculinity, arguing about the age of consent, obsessing over little anime girls, pedo pizza party conspiracies...

It sure is ""suspicious"" how so much of the political animus of these people seems to always come back to weird sexual hangups.
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William Donderkidge - Sat, 26 May 2018 01:33:52 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209216
Well, how else would you be able to recruit horny teenage retards who can't get laid?
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Eliza Mirringshit - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:27:06 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209275
Hey man, as if it weren't obvious enough that you are trying to troll every thread in this board like the immigrant 4skin scum you are, did you really have to post a variation of the same pic in every one?

It's low energy and depressingly pathetic. Are you low t? I assume so because otherwise your smooth brain would realize that saying "X Ys are Xs now" (femi nazis are nazis now) is so circular it's tautological. Maybe if you weren't such a beta you could see how weak your reasoning is. Plz stay out of the way of the chads actually running the world k thnx bye.


The means of travel influences perspectives by William Clushbid - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:26:46 EST ID:blmfRlfa No.208711 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What do ya think? I think the kinds of transportation people use highly influences their perspectives of the world they live in and their relationship with it.

There's a certain malaise to skating through the city, an art to performing tricks. I'm not saying all skaters have the same perspective, that'd be ridiculous to say, there are other experiences that influenced whom that individual is and is becoming.

Drivers see a fast-moving world and only brief impressions of what's going on around them. The Situationists of pre-motorvehicle times surmised the concept of a "derive" as a "rapid passage through varried ambiences" and a kind of drift through their environment, perhaps with a destination in mind, but allowing their selves to be deviated or "drawn by the attractions of the terrain and the encounters they find there."

The Situationists believed their was a psychogeography to our environment, subtle and not-so-subtle influences through sensations (from without) and our feelings and thoughts (from within), and their interrelation. Unlike the idea of drifting, it seems like most drivers travel from point A to point B. They see people also driving in their hunks of metal and/or plastic asides them as obstacles, as annoyances, and yeah occasionally pleasant too. Nonetheless the overarching behaviors and feelings from their interactions within traffic are negative and may transfer over to the times they aren't driving.

I think the Situationists were wrong to say a derive is or has to be rapid. Walking and going on bicycle rides allow for alot more deviation from routine than a car does. (Albeit I'm forgetting the car adventures people can go on, its alot easier to get out of the city with a car than by any other means, and in rural areas you pretty much need a vehicle to get around.) Being a bicyclist as a part of traffic the bicyclist seems to take on a similar mindset as the driver. Though there's a big difference between a "joy-rider" and a "regular commuter".

A major difference between a car and a bicycle is that the driver of a car is surrounded by a ton of steel or whatever, with a motor powered by gas, and the…
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William Clushbid - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:47:20 EST ID:blmfRlfa No.208712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>208711
The idea about a derive not necessarily being rapid came from a more recent attempt at expanding the idea of a derive called Surregional Exploration, but that's besides the point.

Also, on the bus getting wherever you're going is out of your hands once you're on board, so its alot more relaxed of a commute than driving in traffic.
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Eliza Drogglelare - Wed, 30 May 2018 23:45:42 EST ID:/tjfruPD No.209242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What do y'all think about how traveling effects our interpretation of reality and how individuals act? I encourage those interested in the architecture and city planning effects upon individuals minds to look into psychogeography or surregional exploration.
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Eliza Drogglelare - Thu, 31 May 2018 12:22:27 EST ID:/tjfruPD No.209248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Below are some video examples of psychoregional exploration:

London Psychogeography [Euston to Waterloo] https://youtu.be/0WGbOCtns8Y
Derive Final Project [Brazil] https://youtu.be/Bseqv3Y-xQk
Psychogeography (Alfama, Castelo, Mouraria) PARATÍSSIMA LISBOA https://youtu.be/urCTtTySHtw
ESMEGMA JAZZ | Karma coupons for a demanding liver https://youtu.be/-ivnPLVxXTk
From Hill To Sea - Dispatches from the Fife Psychogeographical Collective - 2010-14 https://youtu.be/KozGcZqLo4U
Psychogeography https://youtu.be/CpnG6PLtMME
Cape Town a Psychogeography https://youtu.be/q_Z8abdLPmQ
Alsace. Psychogeography. Wandering through Alsation Space https://youtu.be/l474lVuENyM
Psychogeography Project - MEDS1101 https://youtu.be/xIKe-4AcuzA
Psychogeography [Edmonton] https://youtu.be/h85HdKYby-8
DERIVE 東京 × Tokyo #1 https://youtu.be/4BSdwtoDrOc
Derive Project [Denver, CO] https://youtu.be/W2EV0xCbHSY
Million Mask Psychogeography [London] https://youtu.be/lFEV8UMTHgQ
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Hugh Worthingshit - Thu, 31 May 2018 16:23:41 EST ID:uhpIZv0K No.209256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I definitely agree. Real estate developers lately have been big on the “psychology of placemaking” and studies are showing that walkable places are better for people’s mental health, particularly older people.

There’s a big aspect of how we see space and its possibilities in modern development. I don’t think people are happy sitting alone in their cars for hours a day and you get something out of going into public and seeing your neighbor.
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Shitting Gassledeg - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:11:20 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My only comment on this topic is that for most of human history the means of transportation directly created the global psychology because it was the speed at which thought itself moved -- when horses were the fastest means of travel, an idea could cross the globe no faster than a horse. Thus the explosion of advancement in speed of transportation technology went along with an explosion in the low latency of the global consciousness.

That is until we get to the age of telecommunication, when our thoughts were enabled to travel faster than we ever physically could. At that point transportation stopped being the primary influencer on psychology, as most mental 'travels' people went on became increasingly through media and not through physical travel. Thus I would suggest looking at how the internet distorts psychology through its role as a 'tele-travel' system, and how such imaginary travels now have a much larger mind-share than their physical journeys, at least for most people. Could this be a source of the modern malaise; we think in fantasy because all we perceive is fantasy and thus we end up becoming imaginary even to ourselves, as we are subconsciously aware that the adventures which influenced our perspectives are themselves false?


Holism Fractalism by Fanny Chimmlefeck - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 11:28:45 EST ID:pEHNHTp/ No.209257 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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**i. Introduction**
I tried to make a link elsewhere between Lambda Calculus and computational thinking and what that means in regards to our existence. This triangulation led to Philosophical Lambda (a personal interpretation of Lambda Calculus with regards to existence). Philosophical Lambda is supposed to be a system like Lambda Calculus but a bit informal and with different symbols; but with similar principles behind everything and with SETS! Its purpose is mainly to illustrate an idea and so its a bit superficial.

The link between Lambda Calculus and existentialism was made through Descartes’ cogito

**ii. Cogito**

In cogito, Descartes states, “I think, therefore I am.” Thus, tying his ability to think logically to his existence. Meaning that thinking, including the ability to doubt, is used by Descartes as proof of existence. Or rather, proof of certainty. Descartes can doubt or trivialize everything as inessential except for the ability to think. He seeks to establish certainty with this line of thinking.

I would also say that playing music is a form of proving your existence. And dancing. And drawing. But thinking proves existence in a more intellectually-stimulating kind of way.

I’m going to interweave prose (these words here) with symbols that carry within them the logic behind prose (philosophical lambda (ΦΛ)). Thus, “I think, therefore I am” can be said in symbolic logic as:

I think → I am (If I think, then I am)
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Better alternative by Factually a Motherfucker - Tue, 08 May 2018 21:23:25 EST ID:Irsa/pK4 No.209180 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Its evident that anyone who initiates themselves into contemporary United States politics will effectively have no self-agency at all. Notice how Bernard Sanders was brought down and how the obstensively bright Elizabeth Warren is simply ignored and it goes without saying the Republican party is a perverse cabal.

So how can anyone be expected to have confidence in new leadership branded by either group when these impressionable, and desperate, folks must submit to party lines without deviation?

There remains nothing inspiring at all to be witnessed in contemporary United States politics. I have the impression whatever faceless dipshits either party would round up for the next cycle effectively have zero testicles.

My point is, they’re coming for us again, so what exactly gives them any credit whatsoever c o m p a r e d t o a new party, possibly a coalition of defectors, who would be capable of ushering in some delicious innovation?

I presume its been attempted before, even so given the current state of things, they have simply not done it right.
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Nell Fanridge - Fri, 11 May 2018 07:37:03 EST ID:Irsa/pK4 No.209204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209203
The general aim of the Republican party is to make a caricature of the 1950’s wholesome WASP family patriarchy lifestyle the dominant paradigm. They consider the tropes of that era the pinnacle of civilization. They want families that go to church, believe in that, and the kids (daughters especially) to shut the fuck up and listen to daddy.

The 1950’s typeshit they want to revive and cherish as the authentic paradigm of United States culture. . . will never be a reality again. Moreover the ideas we carry about it today are based on falsity (commercials, movies). It would be a mistake to regress the United States to a parody of the ostensive golden age of being a white -North American.

The Republican party wants the public to be satisfied with these illusions. Meanwhile technological, social, agricultural progress is sacrificed to buy yet more useless weapons.
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Hamilton Hullertidge - Sat, 12 May 2018 09:04:33 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.209207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209200
Oh sod right the fuck off you retard. There is no more need for the rightwing family man christian farmer. Whatever he produces, the university educated green house farmer can produce in tenfold with less greenhouse emissions. And the technology doesn't stop. The faster the midwest runs in an empty wasteland the better. Just grow everything locally in high tech superfarms.
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Thomas Blambleham - Sat, 12 May 2018 14:36:58 EST ID:Irsa/pK4 No.209208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209207
You may be correct though many people need food right now.

Government subsidies can establish agricultural practices like you have described.

Indeed we wont need hillbilly farmers anymore if greenhouse projects are established. In fact, such farms may become public institutions.

However, its necessary to have people take care of and raise the crops. If the general public is so inclined, there may be no difficulty finding people willing to participate.
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Phineas Summerfeg - Sat, 12 May 2018 22:14:11 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209208
So many of the problems we have in the world today wouldn't exist if we had superior technology. Many of the things we fervently debate are made completely irrelevant by certain technologies, and most people don't seem to deny this point. So my question is, why don't people just focus on increasing the rate of technological progress as the most expedient political philosophy in general?
For example, why debate endlessly between capitalism and communism when we all know that post-scarcity manufacturing would make both obsolete and most people seem to agree it is possible and imminent?

It's like being fervently committed to a side in horses vs mules for moving carriages when you already know Benz is in the workshop putting together the first automobile. Why isn't everyone able to see the writing on the wall, say 'fuck horses AND mules' and go see if Benz needs a hand?
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Esther Hengerhidge - Sun, 13 May 2018 02:39:34 EST ID:Irsa/pK4 No.209211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209209
You are correct. However we must consider the consequences of such progress.
For one, we must consider the finitude of certain resources. Oil us an example of a soon to be extinct resource. So what then of essentials like food?

This is why comprehensive studies and reviews are necessary of topography, seasons, and weather patterns. The public may participate if they can. Communal farming can be made possible on a grand scale with technological advancement, and our common man can be employed at such farms to maintain, grow, and harvest. However, this would require subsidies, which is undeniably possible provided the public is enabled and Monsanto does not interfere.


Politic Board by Jack Choffingman - Sun, 04 Mar 2018 10:10:22 EST ID:pq+VuhoO No.208893 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Havent been on here in years? Anyone know what happened to /pol/?
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Nathaniel Shakelock - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:41:48 EST ID:/tjfruPD No.209092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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But the thing that I saw in your face
No power can disinherit:
No bomb that ever burst
Shatters the crystal spirit.


>>209051
Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil War in the POUM militia (Workers' Party of Marxist Unification) and wrote a book about it: Homage to Catalonia. He joined POUM out of coincidence and later said he'd rather have joined the anarchist militias if he'd known the contexts of the political conflict going on behind the battle lines. Orwell's beliefs can be described as libertarian socialist, as he partly, but didn't fully subscribe to an anarchist programme which is generally the rejection of the State and parliamentarianism, the utilization of direct action, and the advocacy of co-operative and federal organization.

In the first half of the 1930s Orwell had a negative view of anarchist beliefs, from Anarchist Seeds Beneath the Snow:
>for he complained that for an ‘ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank’: ‘One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words “Socialism” and “Communism” draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, “Nature Cure” quack, pacifist and feminist in England.’ While few anarchists would have been all, still fewer would have satisfied none of these despised categories. He told the working-class Jack Common, now co-editor of the Adelphi, in 1936 that so many of the socialist bourgeoisie ‘are the sort of eunuch type with a vegetarian smell who go about spreading sweetness and light and have at the back of their minds a vision of the working class all TT [teetotal], well washed behind the ears, readers of Edward Carpenter or some other pious sodomite and talking with BBC accents’. Orwell’s distaste for homosexuals was an abiding characteristic, with him castigating in private ‘the pansy left’, the ‘fashionable pansies’, Auden and Spender, being singled out for especial contempt. Yet he insisted, as usual unpredictable and unfailingly contradictory, that he had ‘always been very pro-Wilde’.

In 1936 he collected material on the condition of unemployed for the book: The Road to Wigan Pier, which proved revelatory for him, and when he began to believe in and support socialism as the only possible course for any decent person to work towards.

>The fundamentals of Orwell’s socialism were justice, liberty and decency.
For him socialism meant ‘justice and common decency’, a decency inherent in the culture of the traditional working-class community. He believed that ‘the only thing for which we can combine is the underlying ideal of Socialism; justice and liberty’ [sic]; and concluded: ‘All that is needed is to hammer two facts home into the public consciousness. One, that the interests of all exploited people are the same; the other, that Socialism is compatible with common decency.’
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Shit Drunkinlock - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 15:16:14 EST ID:jOEOiK80 No.209140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209079
Now I'm starting to notice that /pss/ on the other hand is a lot worse.

I know I can't be sure of a cause-effect relationship here but I say we put /pol/ back for good measure and see what happens. Fiends can take one for the team.
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Phoebe Turveyhall - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:06:29 EST ID:SGCbMw+u No.209142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209140
Yeah cus a bunch of retards from /pol/ came here. Like /pol/ was literally where we quarantined the commies and politically active/politically retarded children, but then Spunky just haaaaad to start secretly banning literally every right-wing poster on /pol/ like a fascist dick, and then some of them went crying to 4-chin saying ‘hey let’s go to 420chan pol and troll these alt-left fascists that keep banning right-wing thought’ and then /pol/ became the worst cesspool it’s ever been and was deleted. And now the entire 420chan now has to deal with the faggots usually contained in /pol/ and they’re going to /pss/ and /b/ and shit.
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Hugh Sushshit - Wed, 02 May 2018 16:36:09 EST ID:4+oWREai No.209166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What really happened was people that go to sad-chan found this website and simply posted the vile they tend to post elsewhere. That vile isn't welcome here, so the bans were more than justified. The posts, over 90% of the time, went into the quackery and race baiting garbage you'd expect from orange-chan.

So because we had a political board with the same exact tagname from orange-chan, it often tended towards attracting their ilk and then they would spill over to the rest of the site. It was attracting alt-right/lite nutjobs; They didn't like getting banned so they took out their grief on the rest of the site.
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Charles Pellersodging - Wed, 02 May 2018 17:09:26 EST ID:kon48sdM No.209167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209166
Yeah, as has been said many times ITT, faggots from the future and cripplechan mistakenly believe that all chan's will put up with their shit.

Most people don't actually have the kind of cognitive dissonance required to waste hours on end watching anime, playing video games and beating it to traps and tentacle porn while at the same time believing they have some moral conservative high ground.

I never let it get to me though. It's awful rich being called a "degenerate" for being bi and doing drugs by someone who never went to college, lives with their parents at age 25, masturbates 5 times a day and pisses in bottles.

"In a real fourth Reich you'll be the first to go" and all that.


dont hurt me by Doris Dissleshaw - Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:13:03 EST ID:cR5+dCK2 No.209072 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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what is love?

I am kind of stuck with what I interpreted as a Nietzschean conception of Love. So basically in terms of determinate desire and full mutual power over the other.

Where am exploring right now but its hard to find anything is the phenomenology of love. What also would be interesting is a kind of history of love where one could see how malleable the conception is
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Esther Cheddlestone - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:20:38 EST ID:+qAOjSrT No.209113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what is emotion?

electrochemical responses to neuronal and hormonal stimuli? energy in the chakras? a little of both? going for things which can be tested scientifically, logically, or neither?
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Phineas Dipperway - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 10:03:13 EST ID:T1mjyx/4 No.209120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209113

Problem of intentionality might be revlevant here. Of course, if you wanna explore any thing you will have to start why the fudamnetals those are usually laid down by some metaphysical grounding. You cant say hormonal or neurological stimuli cuz that shit would merely be inductive

Lets take for example gazing at a girl, or when in love wanting to do everything for her giving yourself to her. Why does this happen with no to little thought. What is the connection between desire, "belief" and action? idk
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Phineas Dipperway - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 10:07:15 EST ID:T1mjyx/4 No.209121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209112
there so many way to approach that shit. When I said power over the other its kind of one determines the others identity and ditto. how this happens no clue.

Think anybody this deep into philosophy to answer such a question is either anti social, dilluted by self imposed philosophcial dogma or doesnt think its worth exploring cuz its derivable from implicit statments from other philosophers
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Phoebe Turveyhall - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:20:02 EST ID:SGCbMw+u No.209148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209072
OP, I think the issue with love is I think a lot of people love wrong. Plain and simple. They’re too stupid and too trapped within societal expectation to love properly. Hell, the vast majority of people who ‘loved’ me in my life all loved out of fear and selfishness. I didn’t care for it. Love stemming from fear and selfishness is disgusting. I only take part in love that stems from passion and altruism. And I’ve never been happier or more romantically/sexually active. And yes, I have multiple partners. I don’t care, and neither do they, because we’re not afraid nor selfish toward one another.
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Cornelius Subblepet - Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:03:49 EST ID:brei4qhw No.209153 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209072
I think we could pare down the scope of debate if you would specify what kind of love we are talking about. As I'm sure you know the Greeks had several words for love;
are we talking about eros? Erotic, sexual love? (It seems so from the general discussion)
are we talking about philiae? Companionate love?
Or are we talking about love in a more abstract, universal sense? Like agape?

The only thing the different feelings have in common is the quality of the emotion they bring up, so to really analyze their causes and effects I think we need to specify particular types.


Am I wrong to be pissed off about reductionism in rhetoric? by Albert Pickville - Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:17:38 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209054 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can- can I just through this out here while I'm baked enough to do so.

Am I an asshole for getting legitimately intellectually pissed off when I see some fucking reductionist bullshit either in Political news or otherwise?

I ultimately understand that from a "ethical" standpoint I should let people believe "that which they wish to" but when it's so fucking stupid and either morally or factually too simplistic or out of context or talking cross purposes or using logical fallacies or literally any god dam thing any rational person can think of.

Am I WRONG for getting actually "annoyed" on an intellectual level, not a personal one? I've studied, I'm read, I'm in college, I've suffered the bullshit of academia, I've been in this since BEFORE 2016. So- am- am I wrong to be insulted?
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Phyllis Decklebanks - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 05:56:24 EST ID:cR5+dCK2 No.209077 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209054
if you are so well read you should know by now ppl and the world around them
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Samuel Pisslebudge - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:29:39 EST ID:hbTtukSa No.209088 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209054

Were you ever gonna explain what's wrong with "reductionism" ??
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Henry Blorringway - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:09:57 EST ID:KdSY7mf7 No.209103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209088
OP means 'sophistry' when he says 'reductionism.' He does explain what's wrong with sophists, which everyone should already know.
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Jack Nattingsutch - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:41:38 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209088
I did.

>>209103
Ish. Sophistry- as I understand it, implies that the argument is plausible. I have no issues with arguments that can be described as "incomplete" what I do, more specifically, have issues with are arguments which begin with an overly simplistic understanding of the subject matter (read: literally anything) and then proceed through the argument.
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Phoebe Turveyhall - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:15:09 EST ID:SGCbMw+u No.209146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209105
OP, the less info and the less complexity used to argue something, the less logical it is. Reductionism always leads to greater illogic, always. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? It’s ugly and everyone abuses it to win arguments.


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