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Infinity by John Pockford - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:14:35 EST ID:2HazwbDc No.209524 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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When you think of infinity do you think of a loop, or do you think of an endless unbounded happening, like pi, for example.
If things are, as they seem, infinite(i suppose thats an assumption) do you think it loops back into itself or stretches on forever.

Pic unrelated, but we should probably start a revolution pretty soon.
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Beatrice Brannerpin - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 15:41:43 EST ID:y8yyDs2e No.209543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209524

I don't understand, only 1.11 trillion? Don't get me wrong, that's a lot, but I heard that some research, by the government, suggested free Healthcare for everyone would cost way more than one trillion and that just doesn't make sense compared to the the op pic. I beginning to think everyone is mixing the two meanings of a trillion, and in addition to that, also mixing trillions and billions.
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Beatrice Brannerpin - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 16:09:06 EST ID:y8yyDs2e No.209544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209543

Nvn, I didn't read the title of the image
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Albert Peddlefuck - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:17:43 EST ID:VBH3q3ZR No.209545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I see it as a sort of loop, but the loop itself is not what makes it infinite. It's the fact that the loop can grow infinitely in between the 0 and infinity point. Infinity is always infinity(or zero), so what is really infinite in this view is the numbers between infinity and zero, and could just as easily be expressed as straight line. Pic related.

I also see infinity/existence as the experience of the expression of zero itself. A loop inevitably returns to its origin on every axis. Philosophically I kinda theorize the universe as having a net-zero value(in terms of energy, quantity, etc.) As long as the equation itself equals zero from a dimensionless point of view, somehow the process of it resolving itself is what results in dimensional existence, time, space, life, awareness, etc... In other words existence is like the temporary illusion of asymmetry returning back to its source, which in mathematical terms happens instantly but also over an infinite amount of time.
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Albert Peddlefuck - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:26:41 EST ID:VBH3q3ZR No.209546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209545
forgot pic
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Albert Peddlefuck - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:28:59 EST ID:VBH3q3ZR No.209547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209546
Another good one. Both animated btw.


Youtube Philosophy by Phoebe Chicklehod - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 22:33:32 EST ID:zh7QJYof No.209476 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Lately I've been looking at video essays on youtube. It's a pretty fun genre and it's useful for taking a break from reading all the time. Have you got any interesting youtube channels about philosophy? I would rather that it wasn't divulgation (like Kant's philosophy in 3 minutes or something like that) but rather something original, though soundly philosophically grounded.

Contrapoints - Marxist trans girl, who's sort of anti-rationalist. She studied philosophy and neurosciences. Pretty fun stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ContraPoints

Zero Books - Publisher of Mark Fisher, among others. Really critical of Peterson, and really into Vaporwave. Lots of popular cultural critique.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyoQK-mZXr2ws4C0nXGCH1w

stallion Philosophy - Still has really few videos, but they are fun and well researched. Cultural critique and capitalist realism. Their last video on World music is really good.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSkzHxIcfoEr69MWBdo0ppg/videos
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Thomas Gangerworth - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:05:35 EST ID:kbqhsVlv No.209488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209476
not necessarily video essays but if you like the above three you'll probably like this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6dZvcECIrk Sissyphus Redeemed. He doesn't seem to post videos anymore but the channel is still there and he is a very smart guy -and not in that joe rogan sophist way.

there's also Destiny https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC554eY5jNUfDq3yDOJYirOQ who unlike SR^ is a complete layman but very aware of it and admits it often, nonetheless he is also a smart guy. Again it's not essays so much, just debates, talking to retarded alt-right.

Three Arrows https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UCCT8a7d6S6RJUivBgNRsiYg and Shaun https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UCJ6o36XL0CpYb6U5dNBiXHQ are both more proper essay style youtubers but are more about politics than philosophy. Still worth looking at tho. Also HBomberguy https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UClt01z1wHHT7c5lKcU8pxRQ which is more focussed on gaming but very entertaining and also responds to the alt right.

thats pretty much all i got
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Hedda Goodfuck - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:57:21 EST ID:ehCGSF3V No.209502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Angie Speaks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qkU-evkvMo&t=0s
Peter Coffin is really good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT2iU9pAI_Y&t=1300s
stallion Philosophy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJfurfb5_kw&t=0s


Meditation by Phoebe Goodforth - Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:45:31 EST ID:/XQxUE3u No.204775 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys I'm just starting to learn how to meditate. So far I can go up to 3 minutes and after that I can't focus any longer. But, I'd say I'm starting off good.

How many of you here meditate on a daily basis? In what way does it help you? What is your favorite type of meditation?

I'm learning sleep meditation and zen. I want to broaden my horizons and love myself again. With this meditation I hope to achieve a higher level of being and be able to like myself and have a positive outlook on life.
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Fanny Blanningtut - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:55:25 EST ID:NZFKQ1By No.209431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Started meditating yesterday. I feel a bit better. Going to commit to this and do it everyday, twice a day. When I was disciplined and constantly meditating it did something to my mind and I became very happy and positive and it is the greatest way to positively cope. That's why i did it and now doing it again.
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Sophie Sarryway - Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:02:49 EST ID:w+O1EhEW No.209446 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If anyone can answer this question for me I would greatly appreciate it.

Everytime I try to meditate I start itching which prevents me from meditating. It's been happening for the past 2 days. It's really starting to piss me off. Maybe it's all psychological? Maybe it's not?

Any insight on this that anyone can enlighten me with I would deeply appreciate it.
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Lillian Woffingbeck - Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:44:54 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209446
Various physical phenomena in the body naturally occur when you meditate. They have to do with the random chatter of your brain quieting down (which is what itches are in the first place, 'noise' in your tactile sensory network) so essentially it is a trick your mind does on yourself to get you back into doing things. Ignore it, it is definitely psychological if it only occurs when meditating and you don't always meditate in some special environment.
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Thomas Dunderlotch - Sat, 15 Sep 2018 01:28:53 EST ID:w+O1EhEW No.209448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209447
Thank you for your input. I never thought of it like that. I'll take note of that.
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Martin Hovingputch - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:32:32 EST ID:P0o8ahaw No.209493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anyone here meditate?


Free College In The USA by Isabella Foggleford - Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:28:10 EST ID:qum7+esS No.209429 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What if you could make college free and then make admission to colleges be based purely on merit, but with a twist: you are compared only to the others at your own school to determine if you qualify for admission to a college rather than comparing you to the whole nation. Say you get the top scores and grades on your tests in your high school, but for national averages, your test scores/grades would still be too low to get into the top schools traditionally, under the new system, you would get admission because compared to your peers you did the best and therefore deserve to be in a top school. If one school has bad teachers or not enough funding, why should the students suffer? They should be judged against those who had an equal playing field, ie those in their own school rather than those who may have gone to some fancy private school with personal tutors and lots of fancy programs and who had advantages they couldn't access.

Now imagine what would happen if you did this. Suddenly all the schools packed with great students would empty out as the parents took their kids to poorly performing schools so they had a better chance at college admission. People act like segregation and school integration is an issue America dealt with in the past, but we didn't really deal with it at all. We did a little, got things moving in the right direction, then basically stopped trying and claimed we fixed the problem while the communities we live in remain highly segregated which keeps racial minorities trapped in poverty as wealthy whites never interact with them and therefore never hire them to do anything for them and spend money at their businesses. Furthermore, people can gain a bunch of value simply by having the value of their house go up because their neighborhood improves. They sit there and do nothing, but other people move into the neighborhood and start fixing pot holes and weeding the sidewalks and mowing the lawns and painting stuff and hiring security and installing floodlights, and suddenly they have more money because the value of their houses goes up.

In my mind this is an elegant solution to many of the social issues plaguing America. It would get around the affirmative action boogeyman an…
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Hugh Girringhall - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:55:51 EST ID:tvXthEG2 No.209433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209429
Wealthy people live in areas near their job. They don't want to move because they can't get paid 100k a yr in the podunk working as a walmart greeter.

Also, this is silly because a lot of colleges in the US are very small. If college was based on 'pure merit' but only based on relative merit, then if they only accept 4k students a year and there are 50k schools in the nation, you're back to where we started.

Putting that aside. IMO two things will happen.
  1. people retire early (ya rite...)
  2. People just find loopholes in your plans, described below

They will simply invent a new school to put their kids in. This can be a private school (probably the easiest to do) or a public one (much harder, but possible) to lower the pool and backdoor around your social engineering plans. This would encourage a lot of balkanization of school systems around wealthy parts of the country, increasing costs.
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Thomas Pisslewell - Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:27:41 EST ID:pdpqZQMH No.209472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
but then you wouldn't be accepting the best qualified students.
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Hannah Goodford - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 01:48:35 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>admission to colleges be based purely on merit, but with a twist: you are compared only to the others at your own school to determine if you qualify for admission to a college rather than comparing you to the whole nation.

Why not just drop the requirement in general and go off the GPA requirements of the school you are applying to. Why should they give a shit about what you "are" in comparison to the rest of your "group."

>your test scores/grades would still be too low to get into the top schools traditionally, under the new system, you would get admission because compared to your peers you did the best and therefore deserve to be in a top school.

The quality of schools is different, not only from state to state but from school to school. The furthest it seems you could push this would be some kind of standardized grading system for the nation. That is to say, you cannot keep adding artificial shit.

> If one school has bad teachers or not enough funding, why should the students suffer? They should be judged against those who had an equal playing field, ie those in their own school rather than those who may have gone to some fancy private school with personal tutors and lots of fancy programs and who had advantages they couldn't access.

The shouldn't suffer the consequences that is true. But that doesn't mean that those that do have the resources should suffer a loss either. Life isn't fair and the best we can do is continue to eliminate those gaps in offerings, textbooks, desks, teachers etc. That's more of a funding thing however.

>Your second paragraph.

It seems to me that you want to create an incentive to get people to relocate in order to get their kids into terrible schools so that they can stand out more and get better chances of getting into school? That's rather strange I think. Would that just make the kids who don't stand out have less chance to succeed? Or learn?
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Abstract discussion thread by Fuck Drollerlick - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 02:01:21 EST ID:QfvuJGLY No.209398 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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My brain is the same as your brain except for the fact that your brain functions entirely unlike mine even though assuming we both fit the parameters for having a "normally" formed brain and posses a healthy neural structure that is supposed to control certain aspects of our psychology and physiology in the same matter.
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Phyllis Covingbod - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:33:22 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Two oaks have completely different limb configurations yet are both healthy oaks. Two snowflakes are utterly unalike yet created by the exact same forces.
The categories the mind imposes on the world are a blanket fort against unvarnished chaos.
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Ernest Pongerson - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:45:45 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>assuming we both fit the parameters for having a "normally" formed brain

You know what they say about assumptions.
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Clara Gecklegold - Mon, 03 Sep 2018 01:27:32 EST ID:4y8q/jLM No.209437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Neurons form and bridge different connections in arrangements based on your experiences. No brain is ever the same as any other brain because Neuron development is completely unique.
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Fucking Webbersat - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 04:56:59 EST ID:gwPZwf6j No.209454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's about inhibition and stimulation of neurons firing. Long term potentiation, different neurotransmitters and what have you. I've only got a schoolboy understanding of it.

>>209402
I think thinking in categories is useful, I'm not sure what alternatives there are to that.... like a thought resembling a hypercomplex geometry (if that's what it can be called) because it never has context or appropriation to anything else, just summarily everything in such a way that there is never intersection between anything and no parallels because new things that are analogous to (but always changeable whenever an issue of context or relation to anything else arises, such as) matrix dimensions, number theories and logic/non-logic maxims are created to avoid any kind of abstraction, inductions, deductions or ordinate comparisons to take place.
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William Fendlemore - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:35:19 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209454
>>I'm not sure what alternatives there are to that
Of course, because your mind operates using the concept of categories, the fish cannot see the water. It may be unavoidable for human minds, or it may be unavoidable for minds in general, to utilize categories. Really, they are an expansion of the concept of sets. But what is dangerous is assuming that the categories are real or are things in and of themselves. Almost all of the debates of early philosophy can be stemmed to a confusion about whether or not the categories exist or are real in themselves.

But in the same way that set theory demonstrates no set of axioms can completely describe itself, when we realize the categories are sets, we realize they can't actually be the thing they themselves purport to be; the defining rule encompassing all types of a thing. They are the mirages of the mental landscape, and I think society would be better off if we learned to treat them as such.


Stirner on labor by Hamilton Grandway - Wed, 02 May 2018 09:41:48 EST ID:EQAAY6X6 No.209163 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Stirner knows literally nothing about labor or laborers. His ideas are juvenile. He thinks laborers are more powerful than businessmen/entrepreneurs. He’s wrong. The two are essentially equal in power, because the one cannot exist without the other. People like Stirner grossly under-estimate the intelligence of the entrepreneur and grossly over-estimate the simplicity of the laborer. I been in labor my entire life; seen tons of guys spend even 25 years straight happily laboring for good pay, because they’re simple and conservative and are much more focused on getting paid and going home to their families than becoming some sort of businessman or critical-thinker. These conservative family-oriented laborers are literally our backbone, and they always require leaders to guide them.
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Caroline Breshhood - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 13:33:44 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209333
Well said Donningfuck. Its difficult to be involved in these projects with little time on one's hands. I noticed with Free Hot Soup, which is composed of different coordinating groups that serve food three days a week, and occasionally elsewhere, alot of the volunteers have time to participate because either their retired, get social security, or work part-time and are able to meet their needs by living low-cost.

It doesn't help that cost of living has been increasing ridiculously high. For houseless folks one alternative has been self-governing camps, but most of those have been short-lived after being forcefully dispersed by law enforcement.

The support offered by libertarian institutions and networks would have to be accessible, and in some cases it is, if the person knows about it anyway. With the Free Store for example, a big one goes on each month at a church, but people can access the stuff there each week as well. When someone has material needs the networks and institutions are already in place to provide. Maybe the individual barely getting-by can't give their time to volunteer but they can at least utilize the resources.

>I think one of the ideals of anarchism should always be to let people be autonomous materially, that is something capitalist states cannot tolerate.
Totally. That's why there are incidents of law enforcement arresting people for serving free food, dispersing houseless camps, or raiding squats, among other examples.

You'd probably find the history of the 1980s Autonomen movement in Germany, who built social centers and squatted entire neighborhoods, really interesting. Now that the innercity is hip to live in again squatting really isn't a viable option for low-cost living, at least for many people. I'm not sure what territory so-to-speak could be won to make participation in these networks and institutions more viable. There are organizations pushing for higher wages, unionizing in specific businesses, rights to camp in certain areas, and rent caps, so that people in general are better off and not struggling to survive as bad as many are now. I really think people's belief and awareness in the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the "ghost state" is a primary obstacle.

Fire and Flames: History of the German Autonomist Movement
https://libcom.org/files/Fire_and_Flames.pdf
"THE SUBVERSION OF POLITICS:
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Hedda Pittway - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 00:13:35 EST ID:RidPP7/o No.209418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In my experience managers, employers, and entrepreneurs are the most deluded dumb ass children I've ever met. They consistently have no knowledge of the systems they own and profit from and so can only reason why they are on top is due to some nebulous character trait that often correlates with their childish nature.

My last CEO got in front of the entire company and literally congratulated himself for "having his head in the clouds". A friend's ex-employer asked if a 2 foot hole in a load bearing wall of a cooler holding product could be "painted over". These were both very successful businesses that were out competing and acquiring other companies despite their owners ignorance. Most if not all privately held companies would operate better if owners heads were removed.

Employers do nothing but demand a meter of how much profit they are making and cry when it's not high enough; leaving employees to figure out how to actually make that happen. When profit is high they feed their delusion lest they realize they injustice of their position.
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Hedda Middlestone - Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:49:56 EST ID:HEpzpYWB No.209430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209163
Rofl, slaves cant exist without their masters, sick observation op.
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Cornelius Blackville - Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:53:39 EST ID:P7YKYyI5 No.209452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stirner is bad, Anarchy is bad, read Bordiga you leftoid peasants.
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Beatrice Gavingdadge - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 01:35:06 EST ID:KGYHppHw No.209453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209452 What's bad about Stirner and while you're at it (please), what's so special about Bordiga eh?


business discussion by Sophie Giddlehall - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:49:10 EST ID:Wdy2/dMQ No.209301 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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hey guys me and a few friends from uni investment class have created an anonchat group to discuss capitalism, investing and business in general where we share knowledge amonst ourselves.

if you are a serious capitalist and can repay the insights you get, you will be welcome. no idiots allowed though.

we are more interested in value investing and real business stuff, plebs who like technical analysis, derivative blockchain shit and dropshipping will be mocked.

it's in #biz at http://getanonchat.com
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Oliver Drivingdale - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:18:51 EST ID:wAsGqCt+ No.209395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Behold
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Edwin Beppercocke - Wed, 08 Aug 2018 07:32:19 EST ID:iifXBMLG No.209427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thank christ? Getting sick of all these crypto socialists dominating the internet like a bad tumour
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Clara Gecklegold - Mon, 03 Sep 2018 01:24:54 EST ID:4y8q/jLM No.209436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209427

Don't mind me, just dropped in to see how you exploitative class traitors where doing before reporting back to my comrades.
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Eugene Brubbernane - Tue, 04 Sep 2018 11:36:04 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209427
>>One guy samefagging is proof of my group's dominance
Achievable goals, fam.
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Cyril Crivingkut - Tue, 11 Sep 2018 08:27:54 EST ID:VE5AX/Yi No.209444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Get an ad samefag.
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skepnihilosopy by Eliza Namblelock - Sun, 29 Jul 2018 16:02:30 EST ID:m46LHA5y No.209420 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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what is value? what the fuck is value? Define value? what the fuck is it? intrisic, extrinsic, objective, subjective allll tauntologies... I did see anybody define value?
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Oliver Clayway - Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:51:42 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Everything is subjective and tautological, if you have a problem with that then philosophy is not for you. All knowledge can only be known from a perspective (and thus is subjective, no matter what anyone else may try to tell you) and it is tautological, because all knowledge or even all definition is interdependent on all other knowledge and definition and has no actual base. The human mind is pic related.

So, with that in mind, what the fuck 'value' is is exactly what it appears to be; a quantitative or qualitative representation of the worth or content of something. This duality comes from the fact that the english word value covers a couple of different meanings: to have a certain quality or worth, or to have an associated mathematical quantity. Both are abstractifications of the concept of worth or contents, but those concepts themselves, like all others, are ultimately subjective tautologies.
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Cedric Nurringson - Wed, 01 Aug 2018 15:56:57 EST ID:uZGAHt28 No.209424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209420
5-MeO-DMT


On the subject of a diety, some nice writing by m7sha - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:53:25 EST ID:QsklVX/N No.209407 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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At any rate, I found this "message" in a relatively archaic databank and thought some of you might find it of interest. Then again, I'm often either bemused or startled at the items you find interesting. ....................

It's an article about a believable God

http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal
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Beatrice Sallerham - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:32:33 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209409 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Interesting, but ultimately rather superficial. Tl,dr: turns out god is actually a machiavellian social darwinist who runs our pocket universe and hopes we will one day ascend to his level...even though he claims the path of technological progress is to stop trying to manipulate matter and only manipulate energy (which is nonsensical from a physics standpoint.) He also makes the claim that only violent predators are capable of intelligence...which is a little suspicious coming from the Almighty. I think the author could have conveyed their philosophical points more clearly without this framing device.
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mika sha - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:57:19 EST ID:vEnuppAu No.209414 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209409
He didn't say only violent predators are capable of intelligence, he said they die out before reaching the next "stage| of global consciousness as a race
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Hugh Toothood - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:25:29 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209414
No, that's the opposite of what is said. I think you need to read it a little more closely.
>>Without exception, intelligent species who gain dominance over their planet do so by becoming the most efficient predators.
>>Unlike the adaptors, who learn the point of cooperation fairly early on, manipulators battle on. And, once all lesser species have been overcome, they are so competitive and predatory that they are compelled to turn in on themselves....r this competition is vital to promote the leap from biological to technological evolution.

You need an arms race in order to make progress.

Your desire to dominate fuels a search for knowledge which the adaptors never acquire.
>>And although your initial desire for knowledge is selfish and destructive, it begins the development of an intellectual self awareness, a form of higher consciousness, which never emerges in any other species.
>> Not even while they are experiencing it, for example, can the intelligent adaptors - your dolphins - express the concepts of Love or Time.
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Hugh Toothood - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:26:49 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209415
That said, I think your misunderstanding is much closer to the truth than what this article suggests, which may be why you assumed that is what was meant. Violent competition is important for the success of our species, but cooperation is much more vital and more unique to intelligent life.


Uniqueness & Alienation by Hedda Turveycocke - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:14:32 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209363 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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"You -- unique! What thought content is here, what sentence content? None! Whoever wants to deduce a precise thought-content of the Unique as if it were a concept, whoever thinks that with "unique" one has said about you what you are, would show that they believe in phrases, because they don't recognize phrases as phrases, and would also show that they seek specific content in phrases.

You, inconceivable and inexpressible, are the phrase content, the phrase owner, the phrase embodied; you are the who, the one of the phrase. In the unique, science can dissolve into life, in which your this becomes who and this who no longer seeks itself in the word, in the Logos, in the attribute.

The unique in Heaven, which Feuerbach places beside the unique on earth, is the phrase without a phrase-owner. The unique considered here is God. This is the thing that guaranteed that religion would last, that it had the unique at least in thought and as a phrase, that it saw it in Heaven. But the heavenly unique is only a unique in which no one has an interest, whereas Feuerbach instead, whether he likes it or not, is interested in Stirner's unique, because he would have to treat it oddly, if he wanted to chase his own unique from his head. If the heavenly unique were one that existed in its own head rather than in Feuerbach's, it would be difficult to chase this unique from its head."

Feuerbach would separate theology from speculative philosophy, finding in it the key to understanding man's uniqueness from nature even though man is a part of nature, anthropology. For "consciousness is given only in the case of a being to whom his species, his mode of being, is necessarily linked with knowledge. This makes consciousness again into something specifically human, because the animal is not capable of knowing. In being conscious, man knows himself as this conscious being: He is to himself an object of thought. But a being who is an object of his thought; a self-knowing being is also an other-knowing being. Because of this span, knowledge has the character of science: 'Science is the consciousness of species.' "

From the introduction of Fiery Brook, Zawar Hanfi distinguish…
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Albert Nicklebanks - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 19:14:39 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209393
I don't wanna hijack your thread by moving it to discuss what I was saying, I just wanted to give you something to mull over that was somewhat related to what you were saying, but I'll respond to your points as I think they're relevant to the general topic of developing a forward thinking paradigm for philosophy and human society.

>>Sounds quite a transcendence of human nature.
That's one possible interpretation. However, one thing I would ask, is human nature specific or unique to homo sapiens? Did australopithecus, even at a reduced level, not participate in what we think of as 'human nature' i.e. to be both sentient and sapient, self aware, yet still an animal? So I think it's reasonable to think that as we evolve, what we evolve into will still be a 'human being' in the original sense of that term, a sapient entity that feels, thinks, yet exists materially, even if they aren't members of the specific species homo s. sapiens.

>wouldn't humanity still be beholden to the constraints of their environment?
Exactly. Technology enables us to feel and be responsive to the constraints of the environment in ways that used to be impossible. I know it seems grim right now, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

Formerly, because of the dichotomy between the self and the environment human consciousness created by being self aware, we saw the environment as separate from ourselves and thus initially believed crazy things like we had the unlimited right to subjugate and control it. As we change the environment more drastically, we begin to directly feel the consequences on the biosphere after a very short time (for example, anthropogenic climate change.) In short order (on a cosmic timescale anyway) we begin the mentally integrate the components of the world system into our mental models. The dissolution of the barrier between subject and object, self and environment, is a two-way street. We're the first part of the biosphere that is aware of the biosphere and is able to adapt to it, and it to us. Consider how early life destroyed the ecosystem many times over through its unawareness of the constraints of the environment (for examp…
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Barnaby Heshfare - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:00:30 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209394
Its cool, as if i (or anyone) possess this thread anyway.

>However, one thing I would ask, is human nature specific or unique to homo sapiens?
Good point. I don't know at what point someone would consider human nature to be absent, or for that matter, present in earlier homo species. Are you suggesting biological evolution and/or a technologically augmented human?

>because of the dichotomy between the self and the environment human consciousness created by being self aware, we saw the environment as separate from ourselves and thus initially believed crazy things like we had the unlimited right to subjugate and control it.
If you study early human history and pre-history or even look at existing human society's right now that are considered primitive from our late-modern perspective, many of those societies don't view the world as something to control with the right to subjugate it. Their mythologies and belief systems were often about being a part of the sum total world, not as some separate objective species apart from it.

Often the different societies' belief systems used the concepts of God(s) to characterize unexplainable phenomenon and posit their place in the world. Such as Coyote, the trickster, who figures predominantly in many First Nations tribes throughout North America. He is unpredictable and ambivalent, representing both good and bad, animals, humans, and gods, a characteristic of all these beings. "By testing and pushing the limits of behavior, he demonstrates and reinforces concepts of harmony and order for the Navajo."

In the Navajo's creation myth Coyote was responsible for their great flood, from pieces of his fur are made all coyotes, different colors for the four different directions, sometimes he's associated with meanness and uncontrollable sexual passion. He sanctifies Sun, Moon, corn and plants, insists on the mountains being given life, he gives names to Talking God and Calling God, two major Navajo deities, "and in his capacity as a wise philosopher is responsible for the ordering of what are now regarded by Navajos as proper and necessary life patterns, [...] such as crop growing[.]" So despite Coyote's trickster characteristics, the impression in the Navajo creation myths is much more of the Cultural Hero than the Trickster.
http://www3.brandonu.ca/cjns/7.2/cooper.pdf COYOTE IN NAVAJO RELIGION AND COSMOLOGY

The belief of having the right to subjugate nature often emerged with civilizations, monotheism, and the state, so its not necessarily a western attitude.
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Barnaby Heshfare - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:20:21 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Of the post linked to, in >>209396 about ecopsychology, the quote:
>"To make contact with present reality, however, is also to confront the painful feelings that are masked or numbed-out by our technological mode of living. So learning to collectively bear, find meaning in, and move through the suffering we inevitably uncover in the course of counterpractise is essential."
is supposed to have an endquote " at the end of the second sentence there.

And
>That could be group therapy, carthatic events like shows or protests, to take action, to attend carefully to relationships, symbolic rites of passage through different stages of our lives, and honor the growth or sacred unfolding of things, reconnecting with nature outside (the world) and inside (our self), whatever works and seems right.
is my attempt to summarize suggestions from a few pages with my own skew, which both miss plenty of unknown alternatives, to overcome society's overarching apathetic malaise.
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Phyllis Covingbod - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:17:47 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209396
>>Are you suggesting biological evolution and/or a technologically augmented human?
Definitely a both/and scenario. Although once we start changing our own genome Darwinian forces will act on us on a higher order, I think ultimately we will become more, rather than less, responsive to it. I think human evolution will definitely eventually go the way of merger with the machine, but one not necessarily need think that to believe that as we evolve we will have to become more integrated with our environment, whether as organic, synthetic, or hybrid beings.

>> many of those societies don't view the world as something to control with the right to subjugate it.
Agreed, however, I think we can also see from the history of interaction between peoples at different modes of production (i.e. between hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists, agriculurtalists and industrialists, etc.) that there is a convergent trend in human societies to an 'othering' mode of consciousness, primarily because of the uni-directional nature of technological progress. Even as pre-linguistic hunter gatherers, we might not have had the idea that we had unlimited right to use the land, but for example we believed often that our use of fire was endorsed divinely, and so spread a technology that (minutely by today's standards, but still measurably) set our species on a collision course with environmental calamity (agriculture and the fertility gods of the fertile crescent and its subsequent collapse being another good example.)

However, clearly some myths are better than other to inculcate positive values. Nature abhors a vacuum, and in a valueless system people will cling to the things that provide the cheapest return on their value reward system. It's the responsibility of people who can see the danger in this to instill a positive value system -- even if it means broaching the icky topic of instilling myths (in the ideological, rather than conspiratorial, sense.)

But definitely not exclusively a western phenomena, agreed. The modern west is just the most egregious example in the most advanced stage of a civilization undergoing this process, which is most likely universal.

>> I've gotten that impression during hallucinogenic experiences
FWIW, (and having had the same myself) people have had similar impressions without the aid of hallucinogens, so hopefully there is some truth to it.

>>Wont there always be a divide of self though? The physical separation of our skin from the environment and nothing more...
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Cyril Wipperfield - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 04:31:20 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209401
>Even as pre-linguistic hunter gatherers, we might not have had the idea that we had unlimited right to use the land, but for example we believed often that our use of fire was endorsed divinely, and so spread a technology that (minutely by today's standards, but still measurably) set our species on a collision course with environmental calamity (agriculture and the fertility gods of the fertile crescent and its subsequent collapse being another good example.)
First Nations people used controlled fires to clear brush for growing crops in the wild. Even with technologically limited human people (by our present day standards) specialized and knew how to utilize their environment with the tools available to them, yet had a harmonious understanding of how and why to live as a part of nature.

Collapse is a great book studying past civilizations' factors that led to their calamity. Often it is from a sudden lack unsustaining of a concentration of people. Throughout history civilizations have risen and fallen and within the gaps of knowledge as to why, are many potential reasons. Perhaps revolt, or starvation, and/or migration, certainly a severing of trade (or transportation) of one's necessities.

I'll have to mull over other points, but:
>Nowadays, the best ways of accomplishing that are either societal engineering like you're suggesting, which is always difficult because you're trying to induce a new state of consciousness in society while the old one is still in effect, or are methods only useful briefly and are dangerous or difficult, like drugs or mental techniques.
I think of a heightened state of awareness and altered mode of perspective, or whatever, (sober) in relation to our way of life and other ways of life, is an individual path people choose to follow. Not something you can engineer in people, as if we're not unique with our own realized and unknown self right now. I don't think technology can reveal this awareness or perspective, the same way thinking will.


trans by Shit Bunson - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:12:24 EST ID:VGeeHEV+ No.209399 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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i posted this on /b/ earlier but the thread got locked after a few minutes so i'm coming here

basically i just spent most of yesterday reading articles about transgenderism as a whole

i had a negative perception of the whole thing before but i now realize that the fact that this mess has been allowed to attain the least bit of mainstrean acceptance and credibility is a downright travesty
this is not a medical mistake at the magnitude of lobotomy
it's way worse and if we don't stop this soon thousands of insecure and mentally ill youth will experience a horrible death at the hand of themselves, helped by the legions of psychologists and surgeons who are willing to ignore studies on the subject that very clearly paints a picture of transpeople as having severe psychological problems that will persist even after SRS

before today I thought that it was ok to call transpeople "freaks" and ridicule them
not anymore as i realize doing so would only fuel their movement which i now know has to be stopped at all costs

SRS needs to be banned asap as does transgenderism being classified as anything but the mental illness gender dysphoria

these people (most of whom grow out of this as long as they aren't encouraged to destroy their own bodies) are in dire need of psychiatric help
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Beatrice Ponderchere - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:41:43 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There are like 2 other threads about trans people on the front page here. Why not use them?
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Phyllis Covingbod - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:42:25 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209399
Dear low quality troll, you have just demonstrated to yourself how easy it is to radicalize yourself reading propaganda that is designed specifically to radicalize you. This is apparently what you are railing against in others...even though you are admitting it is what you just did to yourself.

>>severe psychological problems that will persist even after SRS
people who have open heart surgery still have severe cardiac problems that persist after surgery. Where do you get this idea that a therapy for a problem removes a problem completely?

>>are in dire need of psychiatric help
As a rule, those who make it to SRS have already received hundreds if not thousands of hours of psychiatric help. They're the ones who recommend the procedure. Maybe you should do some research not from totally biased sources so you can at least know what the fuck you're talking about before you declare your little jihad?

It's a good thing society doesn't turn on your little imaginary crusades, because nothing is going to reverse the state of medical care for trans people, and even political attempts to stall progress are faltering in the 'last, best hope' for close-minded reactionaries, 'Murkur, where shadows fall...
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Cyril Wipperfield - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 03:57:56 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209399 My sole thought is of all there is to focus on in the world, why this?
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Sophie Beshbedging - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 07:44:15 EST ID:4+oWREai No.209413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209399
You're stupid. That's the only reply that you deserve. Get lost.


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