420chan now has a web-based IRC client available, right here
Leave these fields empty (spam trap):
Name
You can leave this blank to post anonymously, or you can create a Tripcode by using the float Name#Password
A subject is required when posting a new thread
Subject
Comment
[*]Italic Text[/*]
[**]Bold Text[/**]
[~]Taimapedia Article[/~]
[%]Spoiler Text[/%]
>Highlight/Quote Text
[pre]Preformatted & Monospace text[/pre]
1. Numbered lists become ordered lists
* Bulleted lists become unordered lists
File

Sandwich


Community Updates

420chan now supports HTTPS! If you find any issues, you may report them in this thread
Race: Harris, Pinker, Murray et al vs. Klein, Turkheimer, Harden et al by Thomas Sublingsore - Fri, 20 Apr 2018 02:04:12 EST ID:GM3Biux6 No.209133 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1524204252461.jpg -(173373B / 169.31KB, 1280x720) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 173373
I'm going to start this out with a call to extreme discretion when it comes to the subject matter, its underlying data, and its implications. I would prefer those who are genetic reductionists- or even more troublesome 'racial' essentialists, and those who are environmental reductionists to reconsider posting here. Here is a timeline, just to give some context (the timeline, or the he-said:she-said drama, is not what is important here, but it's necessary to get it out of the way first).
>September 1994:
Murray and Herrnstein publish The Bell Curve; Hernnstein dies shortly thereafter
>April 2017:
Harris interviews Murray on Harris' Waking Up podcast, in an episode titled 'Forbidden Knowledge'. One of the topics discussed was the lack of due diligence practiced by some critics of The Bell Curve
>May 2017:
Turkheimer, Harden, and Nisbett release an OpEd on Vox titled 'Charles Murray is once again peddling junk science about race and IQ' and subheaded 'Podcaster and author Sam Harris is the latest to fall for it', critical of the podcast between Harris and Murray
>March 2018:
Klein releases an article on Vox titled 'Sam Harris, Charles Murray, and the allure of race science', and subheaded 'This is not “forbidden knowledge.” It is America’s most ancient justification for bigotry and racial inequality'
>April 2018:
Harris discusses with Klein on Harris' Waking Up podcast, in an episode titled 'Identity & Honesty'
>Peppered throughout this debacle
Pinker peppered his support for Harris
>Topics for discussion:
What did Harris, Murray, and/or Pinker get right?
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>
Fanny Weshhall - Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:24:33 EST ID:Nwy2IF3I No.209134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1524219873147.jpg -(48425B / 47.29KB, 700x467) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
Well let's consider the statement by Klein saying "race science is a justification for racial inequity".

This statement has many underlying assumptions. The first assumption is that giving people knowledge needs to lead to an equitable outcome. So Klein is implying that "If the ideas in Bell curve are accurate and that knowledge is used to discriminate against people of a different race, then it is unethical to publish that information".

Sam Harris, being a scientific and rational thinker, would reject such a statement because his underlying principals is to know knowledge regardless of how the populace chooses to apply it.

This leads to conflict between 2 worlds of people. 1 world who believes all things should be known regardless of how such knowledge is used. And another world of people who believe ideas should be repressed if they are used unethically. Ironically Klein is also implying that Sam Harris is racist because he can't wrap his mind around Sam Harris's viewpoint about knowing knowledge and confuses himself because he believes Sam only wants to know about the bell curve because he is racist.

This controversy is just the result of a lot of people shouting and refusing to be open minded enough to see each others points of view realistically, leading to a distortion and straw-manning of each others worldviews.
>>
Lillian Hacklekod - Fri, 20 Apr 2018 09:53:04 EST ID:bz58Upde No.209135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1/3 of the threads on the front page of this board are about race. Enough.
>>
Charlotte Nungershaw - Fri, 20 Apr 2018 21:56:06 EST ID:GM3Biux6 No.209136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1524275766471.jpg -(29475B / 28.78KB, 640x255) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>209134
Excellent points. I'll highlight what I thought was germane to your post:
>1 world who believes all things should be known regardless of how such knowledge is used. And another world of people who believe ideas should be repressed if they are used unethically.

Harris seems to come from the tradition of English Liberalism/The Enlightenment (Mills et al.) Get the data first, sift out what is junk, analyze it, form models upon it, and test the models against each other and reality. Then and only then may moral frameworks be set up from all that (a la The Moral Landscape).

Klein, on the other hand, has a moral basis in mind when it comes to data accumulation, data analysis, and data dissemination. To him, it seems worth it due to the incendiary nature of the subject matter, but people such as Harris (and myself for that matter) are flabbergasted. How could Klein et al morally dismiss or dampen knowledge on a subject without sufficient knowledge from it? And how could he get sufficient knowledge of it if he morally dismisses or dampens key components?

This goes right back to the Peterson-Harris debate, where Harris deconstructed Peterson's true:correct dichotomy through various scenarios (e.g. the cheating spouse). Klein, however, seems to be even more devious than Peterson. Instead of ceding ground that these models may be correct, but not 'true', he waffles back and forth on whether or not they are correct and in which areas they may be correct or erroneous.
>>
Charlotte Nungershaw - Fri, 20 Apr 2018 21:57:26 EST ID:GM3Biux6 No.209137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209135
WADR, I checked each and every page on this board before making this post, and none of the threads seemed to be discussing this topic cogently, especially through the lens of Harris et al vs Klein et al nobump


this cunt by Martin Turveydock - Thu, 25 Jan 2018 05:37:13 EST ID:XRtggDpr No.208623 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1516876633072.jpg -(5723B / 5.59KB, 256x162) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 5723
so Jordan Peterson has recently been interviewed on britains channel 4 by Cathy Newman and there has been a substantial reaction to it. Peterson's fanboys are all claiming his victory as if this interview was a major debate. I'm going to try and summarise it so that we can all critique the ideas as much as we want and give our opinions, discuss etc. There was a thread about this on /b/ but I thought i'd move the topic here to /pss/. btw here s a link to the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
the yellowtext below is jordans answers


Newman: you've said men need to grow up, why?
>because theres nothing good about it and men are left useless and miserable if they dont take responsibility over their lives.
A crisis of masculinity, what do you do about it?
>you tell them to grow up and take responsibility, live a life worth living
the majority of your listeners is male?
>yes apparently. Men have something to offer and set the world straight.
what's gone wrong then?
> all sorts of things, men never receive encouragement. Men are starving for my message,

[2:30] does it bother you that 80% of your audience is male
>no, it's just the way it is.
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
227 posts and 44 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Wesley Turveylock - Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:12:24 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.209071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209068
If you were talking about sapient life, you might have had a point.

But imagine hyperintelligent sentient life. Like some kind of naturally evolved super computer made out of a network of fungi.

It would colonize the universe with starships, could wage intergalactic wars, unravel the secrets of the universe, and it wouldn't know meaning.
>>
Wesley Hunkinfuck - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 00:50:18 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209068
>You have retreated into semantics, it's sad.
We're talking about meaning, of course there's going to be semantics.

>no two people or species could ever agree on the importance of a thing in an absolute sense precisely because it is inherently a relative, subjective thing, but anything that is an intelligent system that has a need to organize its behavior will need to have the concepts of importance, quality and purpose to even function
>meaning is a constant and not relative to the mind that holds it.
These are mutually exclusive statements. If meaning is an objective constant of reality, then it would not be possible to derive different meanings from the same phenomena. You are treating the extraction of meaning as if meaning were a trait being observed in the phenomena itself, and not as an inference constructed from that phenomena.

We have eyes. Our eyes allow us to categorize our environment in terms of light. In our environment we observe a big ball of light in the sky, that causes us pain to look at. This is the pattern of our reality. We infer from this that the ball of light is God. This meaning has drawn from the patterns of the phenomena, but it is constructed from those patterns, not inherent to them. It comes from an idiosyncratic method of categorization. Now we have lots of complicated instruments to more precisely observe that light, and we conclude that it's a star. "Star" is also a meaning constructed in the exact same way as we did "God", just from a more detailed look at the phenomena. Nothing in the phenomena inherently said "this is a Star" anymore than it said "this is God".

>Any sentient life would have the concept of 'meaning,' it's an essential aspect of consciousness.
>anything that is an intelligent system that has a need to organize its behavior will need to have the concepts of importance, quality and purpose to even function
How would you define an "intelligent system" in terms other than its ability to organize its behaviour? Ants organize their behaviour. Are they an intelligent system? They must be, by that definition. They even have a system of symbolic c…
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>
Fuck Drevingdore - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:34:20 EST ID:Nwy2IF3I No.209074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1523522060553.jpg -(51343B / 50.14KB, 540x720) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>209070
>That's not meaning, you retard.
2018 and people calling anyone with a different point of view a retard. Philosophy has come a long way hasn't it.

>That's just math and physics combining into "the easiest and most effective way how to stack bricks."
If you take everything at face value you would reach this conclusion but it is very ignorant to argue that this is all that is happening. The Egyptians built pyramids to honor their dead and 1 pyramid was for 1 person. The idea was that bigger pyramids would be for people who were revered greatly in life and the gods would be appeased by that. So lets not take this pyramid building at face value because its full of meaning too.
>>
Wesley Hunkinfuck - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:52:42 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209075 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209074
>lets not take this pyramid building at face value because its full of meaning too
>The Egyptians built pyramids to honor their dead

And the Aztecs built them as temples or palaces or any number of things. The point is not that those cultures had no reason for building them. The point is that that reason is disconnected from them being built in a pyramidal shape. A monument for the dead doesn't necessitate it be in the shape of a pyramid. However, if you want to stack big stones with only slaves and ropes, it'll be easiest and strongest if you do it in pyramid.

>that this is all that is happening.
I'm not saying that it's all that is happening. My point is that in saying "both cultures built pyramids therefor pyramids must have intrinsic meaning" is conflating meaning with the practical limitations of physics. I'm sure if Ancient Egyptians had modern construction equipment, they would have built something very different to honour their dead.
>>
Matilda Nubblestuck - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:50:44 EST ID:/KXzHYRx No.209078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209071
Most people are ignorant of the sapient/sentient distinction so I was using sentient as a catch all. However, I don't know if I entirely agree with your premise.

I think, in order to colonize space, a sentient computerized fungus would need to understand the 'meaning' of existence about as well as we do if it was indeed colonizing by means of starship rather than some natural process. It would need to be aware of what it was any why to understand that it needed to get off world, at least as minimally as we do.

And I mean, by the definition of an alien intelligence much, much more sapient than we are, we might hardly seem more aware of our surroundings and the meaning of our own existence than even an ordinary fungus...

>>209073
>>of course there's going to be semantics
Well there's a difference between discussions on meaning have a semantic component and hiding behind mere semantics.

The two "mutually exclusive" statements you quote are by two different people, so the whole segment is irrelevant.

Anyway, you are conflating different definitions of the term 'meaning' which is why I think you are coming across problems. For example you are conflating the 'meaning' of meaning which is 'the sense of a term' where sun = bright fusion ball, and the 'meaning' of meaning which is 'the purpose or function of a thing' where sun = God.
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.


Bush Say's He Is An "Exception" To The Law. by realtalk - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 17:23:10 EST ID:LahQAHJd No.209002 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1522704190158.jpg -(144714B / 141.32KB, 805x448) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 144714
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3603.htm

Obey the law and keep Bush off the Illinois ballot, say state Libertarians

06/03/03: (LP) Illinois should obey its ballot access laws -- and keep President George W. Bush off the 2004 ballot.

So said the Libertarian Party of Illinois, after Republicans revealed that they would not nominate their 2004 presidential candidate until seven days after the Illinois deadline for certifying candidates for the November ballot.

The Republican National Committee (RNC) has requested that the Illinois State Board of Elections ignore the law, and place President Bush's name on the ballot anyway.

"The Republican Party needs to abide by the same rule of law as everyone else," said Illinois LP Executive Director Jeff Trigg. "You can be sure if the tables were turned -- and it was the Libertarians nominating their presidential candidate seven days after the deadline -- they wouldn't lift a finger to help us stay on the ballot."

The Republican Party will nominate its presidential candidate -- almost certain to be incumbent George W. Bush, who faces no significant opposition and has already announced he will seek re-election -- at its national convention on September 3, 2004. That's 61 days before the November 2 general election.

However, Illinois state election law requires presidential candidates to be certified at least 67 days prior to the general election.
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>
Phoebe Bindlepodge - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 11:19:00 EST ID:wb7Rwj19 No.209012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209002
Dunno why you’re posting news from 2003 but Trump definitely does the same thing.
In fact his lawyers’ defense in the Zervos case was literally “he’s the president so he can’t face charges”. Despite the legal precedent set by many other presidents.
>>
William Parryfield - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 12:29:56 EST ID:qofsR6ta No.209020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209002
In the U.S narcism is virtue. This is well reflected in these institutional loopholes.


asdf by village druunk - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 10:36:26 EST ID:T1mjyx/4 No.209011 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1522766186065.jpg -(24371B / 23.80KB, 1278x990) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 24371
This board is making me fucking depressed. There is obviously so much potential. Even though some people on this site would be classified as part of the tyrannical majority, we have surly some talented fuckers some living the aesthetic ideal, epistemically virtuous, intellectually curiosus and engaged... But what do we have in the end, just silence, or worse... fucking mainstream topics no proper new ideas debates just basically nasty pre programmed debates

Why not argue fucking Hegels moral philosophy? is it the most complete? I think fuck yes but what follow? mere analyisis of a given ethical fiber? why are current philosophers neglecting this?
Did Russel bastardize Wittgensteins project? how can it be taken further?
Value-free economics?
Can we find a way to find determinate forms of organization from biopolitical analysis(criticism)?
how does liberal political philosophy avoid its focus on consent?
Go fucking specific exclude board normies...

Isiah Berlins dichotomy should be replaced? sublate core principle of negative freedom? Can you cut confucius head with humes gioutinne? is nationalism esentially the superego or in other words the determinate mixture of the imaginary and the symbolic?

Type GTFO is dare you
>>
Hedda Pittworth - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 13:31:37 EST ID:PKcNxe+J No.209014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean I agree with your premise but you come across as a little concern trolly because while proposing a bunch of interesting questions you aren't really taking a stance on them which means we have no real content to react to. In general if you don't like the content of the board the only thing you can do about it is post the kind of content you would like. Anyway, I'll take a stab at a few of these.

>Why not argue fucking Hegels moral philosophy?
I think it is too relativistic, that 'what is good is what is good for the tribe.' It can be a dangerous combination when paired with an equally Hegelian view on rationality -- together they can easily lead to what most people would identify as moral and ethical atrocities.
>> why are current philosophers neglecting this?
Modern philosophy has more or less retreated from the sphere of ethics. Modern philosophy mostly grovels on the floor, begging positivistic science for one more breath before the guillotine falls.
>>Did Russel bastardize Wittgensteins project? how can it be taken further?
Not really, I think Russel's view on Wittgenstein (toward the end) was a pretty apt way of evaluating the latter's contributions. I don't know if Wittgenstein's larger philosophical project could be much advanced, even in principle, without running into the same problems once again.
>>Value-free economics?
That's like asking if we can have value free mathematics. Any method of organizing society must eventually come up against the concept of value, or else we must say a glob of mud is exactly as 'valuable' as a kilogram of anti-matter, which would lead to a catastrophic breakdown of civilization. Whatever describes that system of value will eventually recreate what we know as economics.
>Can we find a way to find determinate forms of organization from biopolitical analysis(criticism)?
Absolutely, but I think we would end up re-treading a lot of the same ground ordinary politics has. Ultimately any form of organization requires appeals to systems of values and ontological assumptions, and we're back within the specter of metaphysics and ethics.
>how does liberal political philosophy avoid its focus on consent?
What? Isn't liberal political philosophy entirely about consent, i.e. the consent of the governed to establish the government as they will?
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>
village druunk - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:41:16 EST ID:MOGdYtlU No.209016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1522788076102.jpg -(69015B / 67.40KB, 454x564) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>209014
I knew somebodies ego would itch, didnt expect such a modest ego but heyo its somehting
Point was just to shit something out of anger/boredom and hope something sticks for the future, dont think this theard can do much.

(1) Hegel is basically ALL about relative absolutes, (or knowledge basically being contigently static) meaning although the nature of knowledge tend to change there are things we can call absolute within a the context (zeitgeist (i know hegel didnt coin it)). Some goes for this moral7ethical philosophy. Ethical life conists of certain core eternal prinicples and certain core contigent principles which precicly does not allow for thoese artocities cuz our conception moved beyond that. Is concept of rationality is basically aristotelian i do see what is wrong with that

(2) yeah pretty much. I think this speard of "analytic philosophy" is sadly just because employability or precieved employabilty

(3) Wittensteins project is see similar to for example foucault in that they are largly negative projects. Russel just interpreted in that that we need logical positivsm more. Aristocrat who blew himself up to much with wittenstein imo

(4) yeah idk i just wanted to econ in here

(5) This is exctly the sphere that needs reform and i think zizek is working on it very well so far

(6) it is haha and fuck that. As spengler put it "These English Classicists, all of them of high social standing, helped create liberalism as a philosophy of life as it was understood by Frederick the Great and his century: the deliberate ignoring of distinctions that were known to exist in the practical life but were in any case not considered as obstacles; the rational preoccupation with matters of public opinion that could neither be gotten rid of nor hushed up, but that somehow had to be rendered harmless. This upper-class Classicism gave rise to English democracy -- a superior form of tactics, not a codified political program. It was based on the long and intensive experience of a social stratum that habitually dealt with real and practicable possibilities, and that was therefore never in danger of losing its essential congeniality"
Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.


Hermeticism by William Figglelock - Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:18:37 EST ID:dhnaDuI4 No.208962 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1521829117679.png -(1135732B / 1.08MB, 949x750) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 1135732
Should I feel like an insane person for wanting to read about Hermeticism? I can't help but find it really intriguing. My girlfriend fell asleep beside me and while she was asleep I started reading the Kybalion. She awoke a while after, unbeknownst to me, and started reading what I was reading. When I realized she was awake she was very suspicious and did not seem happy that I had been reading about it.

She said she won't stop me reading about it but she doesn't want me to become brainwashed or something. I don't know if I'm stoned but I can't tell if I'm being lured into a cult or what. But I can't help but find it really interesting to read about. Anyone know what the fuck is going on?
2 posts and 2 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Cyril Shakebanks - Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:03:33 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If it calls to you, you're just fucking crazy. You're an insane motherfucker and the last shreds of your sanity are slipping away dude.

If it's just incredibly interesting to you from a historical perspective... nothing odd dude. I like reading about mysticism too, it's really interesting to see how mysticism transformed from a religious experience into a scientific experience thanks to alchemy and the meticulous experiments that alchemy required laying the foundation to the scientific method.
And then when science finally completely absorbed mysticism because SCIENCE actually causes results unlike mysticism, people started grabbing back to the hokey pokey bullshit from ancient times (in the Victorian era).
>>
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Mon, 26 Mar 2018 09:33:10 EST ID:8jOW3Mqg No.208968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can try to decipher The Gardens of Cyrus. Thomas Browne wrote some good prose works but frankly this is not one of them:
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/gardennoframes/gardenn.html
I personally think Hermeticism is kind of interesting as a historical curiosity, but all the practical magical stuff is incredibly lame. More or less exactly parallel to how the Zhuangzi and (to a lesser extent) the Daodejing are great books, but the whole “esoteric” alchemical/ritual tradition of later Daoism is totally superfluous and stupid. When it comes to mysticism I think the “normal” Christian and Islamic mystics like Nicholas of Cusa, Ruzbihan Baqli, Pseudo-Dionysus the Areopagite, etc. were all more theologically exciting and insightful than any of the Hermetic pseudepigrapha.
>>
Reuben Dinnerstock - Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:04:18 EST ID:dhnaDuI4 No.208992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1522263858347.jpg -(93092B / 90.91KB, 611x372) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
It's just when I read about people who practice the occult, including magic and rituals and all that stuff, they sound so casual about it, and it seems so sincere. I often read their response to skepticists as "Try it out first, and see for yourself" and it all seems convincing. I mean, if it really all can be just boiled down to physics, and life really did begin with the Big Bang, then what the fuck brought those tiny particles of matter into existence in the first place? What caused them to move and cause friction?

How can anyone know? Is the universe infinite? But the very fact that absolutely any of this exists, that billions of years of events in the cosmos unfolding and the evolution of life lead me to THIS moment of being stoned on my laptop after working a day in some factory, questioning the reality and endless possibilities of it all, to a bunch of strangers from all over the world who I have never and probably will never meet... is nothing short of an example of how fucking little we know.

Ok I am baked but my point still stands. We don't know anything outside of materialism and physics, which are great things to have knowledge of, but to think that they are the only aspect of our reality, given how ridiculous reality is itself, is IMO folly. Plus Hermetic/occultist imagery is badass. I am gonna be open minded about it and I'm gonna give it a shot, why the fuck not
>>
Phyllis Nenningville - Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:47:24 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208992
>then what the fuck brought those tiny particles of matter into existence in the first place? What caused them to move and cause friction?

Nothing. Shit isn't hard mate. Nothing did all that. Since nothing is the complete absence of anything, there's nothing stopping nothing from generating something. Of course, when something arises from nothing, nothing no longer is nothing, it now is everything. And since everything is in one point, a singularity, it will expand into a big bang. Now there's a whole universe instead of nothing, so something cannot arise by itself anymore - nothing no longer exists.

Basically.
>>
Nicholas Bummletedge - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 00:13:15 EST ID:QqPfCVO2 No.208995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hermeticism is an interesting topic if you enjoy studying religion. It's basically what's left of Western mysticism after orthodox Christianity took over. Even Goetic magic can be an interesting read. Both Goetic magick and hermeticism often get derided as 18th century inventions but really they're remnants of pre-christian Greek religion that were synthesized with judeo-christian beliefs. If you're studying pre-christian mysticism/spirituality then hermeticism is very much an important subject.


Extreme sexual paraphilias by Albert Pivingchet - Fri, 09 Mar 2018 19:03:48 EST ID:sC4d/fFd No.208922 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1520640228361.jpg -(171537B / 167.52KB, 580x580) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 171537
Please give your theories as to what causes extreme sexual fantasies.

Here's the video I will reference in the following
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

Most of the time, I fap to normal healthy fantasies, 3D porn or hentai/ecchi. Usually girls big tits and asses do it just fine for me and my fap sessions are quick.

Occasionally though, I fap to VERY, VERY extreme and bizarre stuff, sometimes hentai and very rarely 3D, but most of the time this weird stuff I fap to comes from my own imagination and I don't look at porn of it. Briefly, these things have included piss and scat, vomit, horse cocks, necrophilia, guro, futanari with multiple breasts and penises, girls/futas with penises for nipples, the list goes on. I've been fapping to this kind of stuff intermittently for at least a decade. Pretty much as soon as I hit puberty I started experimenting with strange fantasies, even before I had access to porn.

The guy in the TEDx talk says that extreme porn evokes anxiety which actually releases dopamine and also pleases male brains that seek novelty. He says people who become addicted to porn go down this rabbit hole where more and more extreme stuff is needed to get them off until they can't get off to normal stuff, or even get erectile dysfunction. This obviously doesn't apply to me though, since my degeneracy pre-dates contact with porn and I still love my vanilla stuff. Another thing about me is, not just any weird shit will get me off, I do NOT like diapers or vore, castration or genital mutilation, anal or vaginal prolapses. I've tried fapping to most of said material but I hated it and never went back. The stuff I like I took to like a fish to water, without hesitation.

Since I'm not a victim of porn addiction, what could the explanation for these sick inclinations possibly be? Are there any books that go into paraphilias in depth? I don't feel guilty or ashamed about this, but I do feel quite confused. What actually bothers me that there's no way I could ever get a GF and tell her the truth if she ever asks about my sexual fantasies.

Pic related unironically turns me on btw. :^)
1 posts omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Nathaniel Nottingwell - Sun, 11 Mar 2018 14:16:47 EST ID:E96YIL+R No.208924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208923

Solid lol thank you.
>>
Emma Pommletedge - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 19:53:03 EST ID:XzGatN3O No.208967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208923
I think there's some sense in foot fetishism, unless I'm mistaken, aren't the size of feet affected by estrogen?
>>
Cedric Chucklehall - Tue, 27 Mar 2018 00:49:27 EST ID:oX3f4KlI No.208971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208923
The brain-computer analogy is false and seriously hindering both AI development and prospective targets in neurology research at this stage. We do not store data like computers. Period.
>>
Cedric Chucklehall - Tue, 27 Mar 2018 00:52:35 EST ID:oX3f4KlI No.208972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't trust TEDx talk about how fetishes develop btw. It's shooting in the dark, we really have no fucking clue at this point in neuroscience.
>>
Augustus Brookhood - Tue, 27 Mar 2018 00:54:59 EST ID:6BLLNWte No.208973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1522126499229.jpg -(584202B / 570.51KB, 1599x1593) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>208967
Actually foot fetishism is almost certifiably caused by the region processing sensory input from the feet lying immediately next to the region processing genital stimulation, and an accidental link between these regions could explain the prevalence of foot fetishism.


Symbolism of Fire by Ebenezer Pombleworth - Thu, 22 Mar 2018 01:31:00 EST ID:ibhdv20J No.208952 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1521696660670.jpg -(57785B / 56.43KB, 960x540) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 57785
We were typing about this on /b/:
>what's the significance or symbolism of controlling or being immune to fire?
A head of the christian church was burned at the stake because he refused to denounce his religion before Cesar, and as its told the fire formed a ring around him and a soldier had to impale him with a spear. There are other stories of people using fire or not being harmed by it. Was it just tricks or tall tales? If human beings are capable of controlling their body to at least ignore the pain or even diminish the harm from the fire, why isn't this ability apparent present day? Perhaps because of the conviction of belief, by believing whole-heartedly, without doubt, maybe along with practicing a martial art, which is difficult now-n-days because science.

In the past poets, bards, and other story-tellers were said to have power through their words, some even causing death by their curses. This seems to be in a similar vein to having power over fire or protection from it. Anyways, what's the symbolism of fire, particularly in a religious context? Such as early Christianity versus the Roman pantheon, but the symbolism doesn't have to be specifically about that.
>>
Molly Fottinghurk - Thu, 22 Mar 2018 01:36:32 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.208953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1521696992061.jpg -(174064B / 169.98KB, 900x350) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>Perhaps because of the conviction of belief, by believing whole-heartedly, without doubt, maybe along with practicing a martial art, which is difficult now-n-days because science.

Tell that to the Boxers.
>>
Ebenezer Pombleworth - Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:51:03 EST ID:ibhdv20J No.208957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208953
Good point, their beliefs, no matter their conviction, couldn't compete with a stronger force by arms. Oh the feats they could practice, but there weren't qi shields stopping bullets.
>>
Shit Fingerlit - Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:42:29 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208957
Kind of ironic, of all people in the world, the Chinese SHOULD have understood the power of gunpowder based weapons. They invented that shit after all.
Then again, the Boxer Rebellion was filled with uneducated peasants, and the entire reason China had weakened was because the Chinese government had been weakening its own military and decreasing the amounts of firearms available to the military for ages.
Ironic, how the fear of civil war turned China, the pillar of society for thousands of years, into a fucking weakling gobbled up by some weak upstart barbarian nations that hadn't even unified for what... 500 years?
>>
Emma Pommletedge - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 19:49:52 EST ID:XzGatN3O No.208966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think fire is supposed to represent desire or at least emotions.


Solipsism by Caroline Goodson - Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:34:02 EST ID:xc7CY0zb No.208563 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1513002842555.png -(598399B / 584.37KB, 1400x2700) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 598399
  1. I cannot prove anything beyond Solipsism.
  2. God and other beings are akin to chatroom bots.
  3. The Demiurgebot simulating this reality for me has introduced the concept of "heaven".
  4. By simply believing in Heaven I can go there.

As soon as I finished coming up with this I heard "Highway to Hell" on the radio.
11 posts and 4 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Nigel Gashville - Tue, 23 Jan 2018 22:37:56 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208619
Art, science and philosophy never had influence over the masses. In the past, the nobility and rich just made sure the masses had no control.
>>
Nigel Claywell - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 00:47:01 EST ID:LkFQtrYH No.208621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208620
>>never had influence
>>no control
I think we both know that's a little bit of an over simplification and not uniformly true, but we're talking in very vague generalities anyway.
>>
Cedric Bobberhone - Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:14:24 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208621
Hey I like vague generalities. It's like a little appetizer before the main meal.
>>
Augustus Baffingfield - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 04:40:49 EST ID:xc7CY0zb No.208842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208564
Ain't no hidden variables, man. Some science dudes proved it.
>>
Ian Cenningfuck - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 14:19:43 EST ID:WFGKCTJE No.208865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208842
While we know there are no hidden variables (for quantum effects) within the universe under our current means of measurement, that doesn't mean that our universe itself isn't a simulation, or that hidden variables don't exist in layers of reality deeper than our technology can penetrate (or that are irrelevant to measurement of quantum systems.)

All the hidden variable theory (or rather it's apparent falsity) means is that there is no additional physical quantities we could measure to improve our ability to predict the functionality of quantum systems. If both the quantum systems and us don't 'really' exist (or exist informationally or holographically) then there could be an unlimited number of additional 'hidden' variables manipulating existence which we would have no way of perceiving.


Illogic. by Cornelius Grimfield - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:07:30 EST ID:wGBBLTy5 No.208814 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1519733250725.jpg -(14466B / 14.13KB, 250x188) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 14466
I am so tired of illogical people. I am so tired of someone having the audacity of saying “I’m using facts and logic” when They’re pushing logical fallacies and backing them up by overlooking facts that detract from the argument.

Why does everyone have this mentality “I have to win the argument.”? Like I’ll correct someone using my knowledge, using first-hand experience and using hard evidence, and instead of learning from me they exclaim an illogical conclusion they illogically jumped to via a singular fact they know about the subject, and then just because they have 1 fact and 1 (irrational) reason they say “You can’t argue with me; I am the voice of logic and facts!”
I am so sick of the excuses. I am so sick of everyone running in fear from appearing to lose an argument. Like good god, growing and learning is much more valuable than being petty, than getting in the last word like a witty little cunt. I just don’t know how to reach peoples’ hearts, and I can’t say for sure whether Its my fault or their fault.
>>
Shit Worthingcocke - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:38:46 EST ID:Q2wCcWf6 No.208816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208814

>>I cant say for sure whether its my fault or their fault

you never know do you? thats the point. sometimes your argument seems better from your standpoint but little do you realize that key points of evidence you are relying on come from sources that are untrustworthy. maybe your opponent is not able to adequately explain logical reasons for why he or she does not accept some fact you are citing

its possible to have the better argument from a perspective that what you have claimed follows logically from the facts you cite, while simultaneously being wrong. it is also possible for somebody to have a better inductive justification for their belief than you do but they have explained their inductive justification poorly, and so you feel they should be persuaded and maybe they even notice that your argument sounds better but they still arent persuaded because they know they've misstated their own argument

what do you take from this? try to calm down and have faith in humanity, we've achieved some pretty awesome things despite being stupid assholes sometimes, and if you try your best to really understand another person's point of view and why they believe what they do, you might learn something, at the very least you'll be much more successful and persuading people to see things your way if you can pinpoint the crucial mistakes they are making
>>
Oliver Sendlecocke - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:42:09 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People want to win arguments because the mental process that recognizes "Oh shit, I'm wrong" uses the same regions in your brain that process physical pain. Now, this doesn't mean being wrong makes you feel physical pain, but your ape brain will try to steer you away from realising you're wrong, because it simply tries to avoid any action that uses the part of your brain that processes physical pain.
>>
Hedda Gusslebit - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 12:22:26 EST ID:w8qDl8j3 No.208821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1519752146210.jpg -(138227B / 134.99KB, 1400x836) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>208814
I read this post in Palpatine's voice, and it made it a lot better. Anyway, unfortunately, your complaint about illogic is illogical, captain.
While it's true that it's becoming much more common for people to harp on about knowing something while being utterly wrong (thanks internet) beyond that, what it ultimately means to be 'logical' is to approach the world with a certain coherent set of impulses, assumptions, and responses, that ultimately make sense only to you.

Your 'logical' is totally different from someone else's. Even if you were so personally and ideologically identical to someone else that you agreed with one another on every single philosophical point you could imagine, and were forced to live with them for years and years, eventually some difference would emerge in your thinking on some situation and you would be forced to think, 'they are so illogical!'
This is because everyone's vantage point on the universe is inherently different. This is why we need each other, and also why we need society to mediate our differences, because we can't all be machines that think with one unified program 'Logic' and even if we tried, our interpretations would always differ and we're back where we started.

But that's just semantics, what you really mean is you want people to be more robust in their discourse, which I completely agree with. Encourage the values along those terms (learning from conflict and seeking resolution, courage in the face of disagreement, consistency in thought and action, etc) rather than just calling people 'illogical' and you might have more success.
>>
Samuel Sapperwater - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 17:55:16 EST ID:k7ALkz1e No.208827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's ego dude. people cherry-pick random shit that makes them feel good and mash them into a concept of self-identity, often clinging to various tribelabels. if you come along with a fact that disrupts their construct of self, they subconsciously perceive it as a violent existential threat and double down to fight it at all costs. it takes luck and/or lots of introspection and/or training from others to be able to avoid this instinctual defensive reflex but unfortunately most humans never get those things so politics remain grossly primitive in the digital age.
>>
Edwin Dramblesterk - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 20:19:24 EST ID:PrNWoDJw No.208829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208827

Yeah its called saving face. Everyone believes they are right all the time. Whether its the way you walk down the street or how you ordered your food at McDonalds. You did it the right way. Even if you clearly are wrong in a argument you are going to think of reasons that support your argument. Politicians do it all the time on live television.


Puerto Rico is the future of the rest because math by Shitting Goodson - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:30:58 EST ID:DZx7Z2p3 No.208794 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1519504258867.jpg -(145619B / 142.21KB, 600x577) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 145619
"Today is a window
Tomorrow the landscape
All you need to do is take a look outside
To know what we're bound to face"

The US is speeding up its Markovian process and there's nothing, not even those in power, hell even less them than others, who can prevent that.


CONTINENTAL THREAD by Edwin Shittingfuck - Sun, 08 May 2016 18:34:16 EST ID:Ia1kuS46 No.205911 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1462746856216.gif -(63354B / 61.87KB, 356x200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 63354
Whatcha reading /pss/?

Currently reading Being and Time and enjoying Heidegger's take on death. Particularly anxiety as revealing "the possibility of impossibility." Nice fat phrase to chew on and mull over.

Anyone reading Levinas or Blanchot at the moment?
22 posts and 4 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Bombastus Werrywag - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 02:55:58 EST ID:zcJg5i2s No.208568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205911
wow this thread is old
>>
Frederick Docklefuck - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 22:15:19 EST ID:vwIDntc2 No.208593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206269
I love how this has been up for over half a year already despite this being a SFW board. Just proves there's basically no moderation whatsoever on this board.
>>
Nicholas Settingfoot - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 19:38:53 EST ID:YzWsRZXQ No.208598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205911
Currently reading The Center of the Cyclone by John C. Lily and a book about the use of Eastern philosophy in psychotherapy. I forgot who it's by. I left the book at home.
>>
Jack Penningfick - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 11:51:38 EST ID:YInCfjsg No.208611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://e-reading.club/book.php?book=134630
This book about Pyrrhonism.
>>
Georgie Dubs - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:23:50 EST ID:7U/IhOvJ No.208790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1519413830533.jpg -(106342B / 103.85KB, 634x681) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>205911
>911
Checked


Curated Society by Archie Blackwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 03:50:57 EST ID:39IBXNMV No.208728 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
File: 1518598257318.jpg -(65051B / 63.53KB, 1280x720) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 65051
>Essentially the Authoritarian Left-Libertarian paradise everyone wants to live in:

Religion is banned outside of a personal philosophical context.
Essentially meaning religion as an oranized entity and force is illegal. However religious texts,images and iconography would still be available for individual study via an internet 3.0, libraries, museums and distributed archives. Some religious architecture of significance would obviously have to be preserved.

As for the rest of society I'm making the assumption that humaniry is going to likely destroy itself and be replaced by machines. However being in North America I would advoacte the cessation of poor land use and misuse of resources.

Personally I like a lot of the benefits of the American Way of Life. But unfrotunately it's going to go away forever if we dont invest ourselves intellectually,financially, societally and physically. As for the rest of the world I dont really give a shit about them. Being a Canadien or a US Citizen is a real priviledge, despite one's heritage.
17 posts and 5 images omitted. Click Reply to view.
>>
Hugh Dibberwon - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:37:15 EST ID:hbTtukSa No.208751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1518831435311.jpg -(1768558B / 1.69MB, 2000x1319) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
Personally I'm not really concerned about the implications of these sort of posts. If I get arrested or killed for exercising my first amendment rights I would be considered makes me a Secular Martyr. This is a Holy War against religious Zealots everywhere for the freedom of all peoples.
>>
Barnaby Snodwill - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 03:11:23 EST ID:hbTtukSa No.208754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1518941483356.jpg -(14514B / 14.17KB, 365x138) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
Dont be mistaken I'd put rounds on some Nazis too. I don't hate Nazis but it is what it is I'm a Liberul Libertarian and they hate me.

.45cal AR-15
>>
Barnaby Snodwill - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:25:05 EST ID:hbTtukSa No.208755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1518974705356.jpg -(56562B / 55.24KB, 700x348) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
I've been thinking how most politicians could be replaced by extras from central casting without too much effort. Its a very novel idea considering how useless they are;politicians not extras.
>>
Clara Smallham - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:40:54 EST ID:2qiFtTs9 No.208777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
racism is curated by white peoploe
>>
Ernest Sackleville - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:03:03 EST ID:hbTtukSa No.208782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1519336983505.jpg -(2225633B / 2.12MB, 2048x1536) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>208777
>Yeah I guess racism is


<<Last Pages Next>>
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Report Post
Reason
Note
Please be descriptive with report notes,
this helps staff resolve issues quicker.