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Atavism? by Cyril Dremmlefuck - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 15:26:13 EST ID:Y5UP2WQL No.207410 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone else have a bad reaction to the mentally handicapped? Am I literally hitler?
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Phoebe Nullerton - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:20:09 EST ID:c1i9jeUP No.208490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207520
>but the right to kill is definitely innate.

I think we're conflating "rights" with "capacities." Rights are social constructs, not innate truths or potentials about the world. They change over time in response to the change of rulership, culture, and technology. They only exist when a society 1) chooses to acknowledge them and 2) provides a pathway through which individuals can invoke them.

>if I wanted to kill people, I could, period. That's my right.

There are all sorts of things that we can hypothetically do, but that doesn't make them rights. In fact, rights are moreso about what you can't do, in that most rights are protective in nature. For example, I have a right to not be killed by you or any other human. This is a right of mine because our legal system acknowledges and upholds it in a society in which we've all (probably implicitly) agreed to that right. If they didn't uphold it, then I would have no way of invoking that right when you try to kill me.

I thought about mentioning this essay on /b/ the other day, but mentioning the idea behind it led to a flurry of knee-jerk "animal hater" accusations. I think it would be better understood here though, since this thread seems more thoughtful:

back in undergrad ethics, I remember reading this essay (I wish I could remember the author, but I've spent too much time on /benz/ and /weed/) which, on the surface, alleged to take a contentious position: that animals have no rights. At the time I was a staunch believer of animal rights, mostly because I think we should treat living creatures with respect. However, upon closer inspection, I realized that his argument wasn't about whether or not we should respect animals (he explained in his conclusion that we have obligations to treat animals with respect), but that the nature of rights is such that they can only exist when upheld by a society or other authority. Unfortunately, this idea is easily confused with "we should abuse animals" when not given more than a passing glance. Fingers crossed that that doesn't happen here.
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Simon Ninkinmurk - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 01:11:08 EST ID:dWvanT/s No.208500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208490
>For example, I have a right to not be killed by you or any other human.
But you don't. There isn't a legal system in place to stop you from being killed, if you try to say that to someone who is trying to kill you, you are going to die. But, you do have a right to bear arms(in the US), and that can be used to stop someone from killing you. And you do have a right for the person who did the action to get justice, but there is no magical mechanism that will pop up between you and death. Only those ready to defend themselves will survive.

>In fact, rights are moreso about what you can't do
Incorrect, rights are about what the government cant do to you. Laws are about what you cant do to others without consequences from society. Neither of those things make those actions impossible.

>alleged to take a contentious position: that animals have no rights
>but that the nature of rights is such that they can only exist when upheld by a society or other authority
Before humans, all animals took their rights, or they didn't get them. At this point, we are no longer just animals, so we offer all rights to our whole species. Even with all that, we still cannot take care of our own, why should we move on to other species. I would slaughter every animal on the planet if it meant longterm success for humans. We can either subjugate force, the only power, or be at its mercy.
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Samuel Shittinglock - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:19:22 EST ID:nX761Sq0 No.208503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208500
>all animals took their rights, or they didn't get them.
No, animals operated without rights. A lion catching a gazelle isn't the lion taking a right. Rights are societal constructs. They exist only as much as a society is willing to uphold them.

>There isn't a legal system in place to stop you from being killed
Just because I can't stop a murderer with an explanation of my rights doesn't mean that they don't exist. The capacity for a right to be violated doesn't prove its nonexistence.
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Priscilla Pennernerk - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:30:14 EST ID:wRqF/W2w No.208504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ITT: People conflate arguing about semantics with ethical debate.

Spoiler: The fuck does it matter how we describe these things? Isn't what really matters (and the point of the thread) what we should or shouldn't do viz. other people (i.e. ethical debate) rather than what we do or don't call our ideas about what to do? Rights, capacities, justification...all just human meat-sounds to cover up our incomprehension of how we ought to behave or what even reality is...mistaking semantics for epistemology or ethics, a very primitive kind of misunderstanding...
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Fuck Diffingridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:24:27 EST ID:oX3f4KlI No.208537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208503
Belief in biological rights is a sure sign of a social darwinist.


This t-shirt Ad uses Nazi Swastikas to share Peace, Love and Freedom by yobrosup - Sat, 15 Jul 2017 12:32:42 EST ID:7Y5vwbb4 No.208275 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This video advertises a clothing line which uses redesigned Swastikas as the main theme. Apparently the aim of this Ad is to destroy the stigmatization of the Nazi Swastika connecting the symbol to new meanings: Peace, Love and Freedom. Very interesting

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Emma Chundlefut - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:52:53 EST ID:wx5UJDIc No.208403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208360
Found the 12 year old
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Edward Gaffingway - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:38:42 EST ID:e8hfwBjx No.208404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208275
>This video advertises a clothing line which uses redesigned Swastikas as the main theme. Apparently the aim of this Ad is to normalize and de-stigmatize the Nazi Swastika, without effectively connecting the symbol to the new meanings. Very interesting
Fixed for clarity. Next time don't take a group at face-value
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Edward Gaffingway - Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:39:39 EST ID:e8hfwBjx No.208405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, caturday > lolcats
Never forgetti
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Thomas Lightforth - Wed, 04 Oct 2017 11:42:05 EST ID:Sm7nPCsL No.208455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If they really wanted to steal it, they should steal it from Hitler himself. They could achieve this if they created a film about kid Hitler. In the film, Hitler would be struggling and running around in his harsh life. A group of people try to help Hitler and make Him come up with a dream to cling on for hope, like a vision.

But then something terrible happens and through this the swastika becomes a symbol of Hitlers broken hope for the future and the terrible consequences that had for the world. The message being that you should not be like Hitler, you should have hope, the swastika being worn to remind ourselves what happens if we have no hope.
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Fuck Drunningham - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:13:31 EST ID:w9KFVcbk No.208467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The swaztica is a common cultural symbol that resonates with people on a deep level. Hitler knew this and exploited it. It is now attributed to the opposite of its original cultural meaning. It is hopeless to use it now unless you are a Hindu. They have a reason to use it and are also less tied to its recent negative context


who even am I by Barnaby Cashkure - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:28:27 EST ID:Q9kaYENz No.208281 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I had an interaction with my daughter just now and it spiraled into some sort of existential terror

My son and daughter were in their room supposed to be going to sleep, but I heard her come out of her room and was just coming out to give me a hug.

I didn't react negatively to this - I don't want to say because I'm a nice person - but just because I am the way that I am. You might wonder, why would anyone react negatively to something like that? I don't know. But there are people in the world that would have.

They would have screamed at her for coming out of her room when she's supposed to be in bed, and she would have gone back to bed heartbroken when all she wanted was a hug. And thus the relationship between her and her parent would have been damaged (even further than it probably already would have been).

And when thinking this through, I thought "Well, I sure am glad that I'm not that way." But isn't that strange? I didn't get to decide or choose to be the way that I am. Or at the very least, I didn't choose to be the type of person that chooses to be the way that I am. I just randomly rolled these "stats".

It's horrifying to imagine everything that I could have been.
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Shitting Serrymug - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:11:14 EST ID:astY1ea6 No.208420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208418
Kreia is the most well-written character in the expanded star wars universe.
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Samuel Buzzbanks - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:12:42 EST ID:dTd47cE1 No.208427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208387

The issue is that it's not free vs determinism, so while there HAVE been findings in quantum physics that suggest some issues with physical causal determinism (check out bell's theorems), these findings do not, in themselves, solve any of the serious philosophical issues facing free will. As anon mentioned earlier in this thread, check out Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche for a good explanation of what the most problematic aspects of libertarian free will are.

To elaborate briefly on why a point against determinism is not a point for free will, consider that what physicists have discovered that is so threatening to determinism is the idea of true randomness in quantum phenomena. Not just unpredictable but fundamentally non deterministic events. So that is an issue for the view that the universe is a perfectly consistent wind up clock, yes, but in what way does randomness provide an explanation for free will? A random event cannot be caused by a willing agent, anymore than it can be caused by anything at all. If it was caused, then it wasn't really random was it? And vice versa, if an event is truly random, how could it be said to be the effect of a sovereign agent?
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Molly Worthingstone - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 05:17:26 EST ID:qFV6v+im No.208433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208427

How would you even be able to distinguish between random and unpredictable?
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Matilda Dirryhall - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 03:59:49 EST ID:HNJfvXnY No.208437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208433

The distinction I think is between a lack of knowledge concerning the mechanics of a physical-causal system and the impossibility of their being a complete physical-causal model of certain systems. I'm not an expert on this though, that's why I say to investigate bell's theorems. The words of the physicist can aid the philosopher in mentally organizing his ontology.
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Barnaby Cungerbudge - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 01:35:49 EST ID:XypP1lD0 No.208445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208406
Oh well it looks like I'm a hard determinist then lol. I don't think I was making a case for free will from an "objective" perspective. But nonetheless I think that thus objective free will is distinct from a subjective one precisely because of our finite nature. That is, we can know objectively or logically that our free will is an illusion but we can never subjectively know that. Does that make sense at all?


Political Science by Phineas Nicklebanks - Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:37:19 EST ID:vmu9ElA5 No.208397 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Any Political Science majors?
Why is there so much theory in the course? Does it have any relevance in real life, or is it just academics being academics?
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Edwin Nandernen - Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:20:53 EST ID:UIYk/9cB No.208398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not a polisci major, but a philosophy major acquainted with political philosophical literature like The Republic, Marx, Rousseau, etc.

There is a lot of theory because we don't really know how to live or secure a good life (whether this is on an individual or social basis), which is the presumed goal of political thought.

Sure, political academic can get pretty abstract and esoteric and you might think that it's just academics circlejerking, but the hope is that the production of knowledge would entail a possibility of greater human freedom.
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Phineas Clayfuck - Thu, 24 Aug 2017 06:06:02 EST ID:Zz8TWrGk No.208399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208398
Political philosophy isn't really my area. I'm doing comparative analysis and research on international relations. I just think that the theory makes the studies very restricted as you always have to confirm or discard a theory instead of just looking at the available data.
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Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Fri, 01 Sep 2017 21:54:41 EST ID:mXz0pukj No.208414 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208397
Yes, my undergrad was PoliSci.

You need the theory to genuinely understand political concepts.

No disrespect, but clearly you're the quantitative type. That's great and all, but what knowledge base will you draw on that's not a machine?

Understanding the theories and concepts about why things are structured and occur the way they do help with intuitive thought process and making estimated guesses.

The vast knowledge accumulated from, say, Poli Sci (we take IR as well)+History minor+ Religious studies minor is amazing. You really understand how politics works from a ridiculous amount of perspectives and vantage points.

But I'm a bias academic so. The way I see it is, if you took my approach + maintained the quantitative, you're somebody who actually understands them, yet is able to transform that into quantitative data and legitimize Political Science as a "science".
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Edwin Gacklewell - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 21:19:32 EST ID:cmOR3FR3 No.208417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I knew two guys with polisci degrees. One got a really good D.C. Job with the republicans then his mental illness made him just check out and his parents basically pay for him to be a homebody.

The other guy worked a low level job at google until some think tank hired him.

So the "usefulness" of the degree,like many others, is determined by how well you network.
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Phineas Winkindale - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 02:21:57 EST ID:XypP1lD0 No.208436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208399
Ehh I am inclined to disagree with that. I'm not sure what you mean by studies, but I'm taking it to mean political studies? Theory as done in modern academic settings does move. pretty slowly due to what you mentioned, but I'm not sure how it would restrict anything.

Like a lot of ideas established in the US Constitution owe a lot to the works of John Locke. I don't think it would be restrictive to read his theories. For a more modern and influential political scientist, John Rawls' A Theory of Justice was inspired by Hume's skepticism and Kant's deonotlogical ethics.

As far as data goes, I'm finding it hard to understand why you think that an interpretation of data is distinct from theory. Isn't theory just another way of saying interpretation?


The Existence of Whiteness and White People by Frederick Blackson - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 01:46:29 EST ID:UIYk/9cB No.208391 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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It should be obvious here that this is relevant to the events that occurred in Charlottesville, VA. I'm also assuming that the majority of people here consider themselves white, so it's also relevant in that regard. Also, it might be obvious that I'm not writing from the perspective of a white person. But I think it's worth asking anyway.

My questions are thus: in what way(s) do white people exist? And why does an ethnonationalist project (like the Nazi's, KKK, perhaps the alt-right) depend on a white identity?

Is white a race? An ethnicity? A skin tone? A set of cultural acts?

It seems to me that white people don't really exist for three reasons. One, you can easily substitute a "white" identity with an ethnic one. That is, you can identify yourself as Irish, Scandinavian, German, etc. I think that here, to identify yourself as white is a category mistake.

Second reason is a pragmatic one. Why should we insist on a white identity when so many other identities are better? Why can't you identify as a Starcraft 2 player, a metalhead, a juggalo, a frequent masturbator, etc.? I imagine that telling people that you're white has no reflection as to what you actually do or are. There's no need to hold on to a white identity when there are plenty that more accurately describe your being or group (and ethnicity is included here). Whiteness, in other words, is just an empty signifier.

The third reason is political and relates to the point about whiteness being an empty signifier. I think that it's because whiteness is an empty signifier that groups like the Nazis or the KKK are able to utilize and capitalize on it. Because it is an empty signifier, you can use it to mean whatever you want to mean. You can use the concept of "whiteness" against certain minorities (like the Jews in the case of Nazi Germany, like Mexicans in contemporary US).

This is why, I think, the left and the liberals failed horribly in the last election. The emphasis on the tolerance of minority groups and the fact that there is white privilege and therefore white people need to atone for their sin of being white has produced a political climate where people who identify as white become more radical and more extremist.

Hence it's no wonder that there was the rise of the alt-right and Donald Trump who were able to appeal to those who identified as white, since it was liberals are quick to demand that white people repent for their whiteness. Whiteness here is a trap that you can't get out of, because there's literally nothing you can do about being white except be guilty about it. And those who don't want to feel guilty about it are going to find ways to redeem that identity, such as the case in the alt-right. Now I'm not saying that a project toward greater equality should be abandoned, but I think that in order to get out of the liberal guilt trap of being white, it would be necessary to abandon a white identity.
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Jack Semmerway - Sat, 02 Sep 2017 22:26:38 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208413
Actually, white people are just pale brown. Sit in the sun long enough and any white person will turn brown eventually.

Even Kirt.
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Shitting Pindlehood - Mon, 04 Sep 2017 13:07:53 EST ID:PZgmROe3 No.208416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208415

That's just the sun being a sjw stallion.
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Reuben Lightman - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:46:34 EST ID:+oDzYIVl No.208421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this is an issue that has been plaguing me lately.

Spent about two weeks in a psychiatric hospital. The second day there was a massive rift over racism that had been going on since before i was there and a big fight. The whole thing eventually led to me publicly crying for the rest of the day.

Was made even more ironic when i overheard slashed guess the white guy who shared my first name as a spanish speaker and it turns out he did speak spanish. I sort of assumed the casual informality he may have employed using the n word from his spanish expertise and internet ethos leading to an open conflict that basically led to a two week moment to moment suspense of racism, after i had already been struggling with it since 2016 when another friend tried to call a black friend the n word in a role play excercise for a movie we were filming in character and then got slapped in character.

So aside from affecting the safe explorative space of the creative rainbow it's entered into my mental health recovery as well.

We don't get race in america if were calling something the dreamer act that advocates deporting parents of kids who grew up in america.

White people never get how perception is actually there and act like politics and the world we see in the news and on screen is a million miles away and we can't apply ourselves or have it apply to us.
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Martin Chicklebodging - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:53:01 EST ID:OXdy4bB0 No.208423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208421
I' m trying to understand your post, but it's so incoherent. What does "slashed guess" mean?

> We don't get race in america if were calling something the dreamer act that advocates deporting parents of kids who grew up in america.

The DREAMer Act isn't advocating deporting children of illegals; it was an act Obama instated to prevent that very occurrence. Pay better attention to politics if you're going to post about it.

> White people never get how perception is actually there and act like politics and the world we see in the news and on screen is a million miles away and we can't apply ourselves or have it apply to us.

I'm glad you speak for ALL white people...
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Doris Debblebock - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:06:16 EST ID:+oDzYIVl No.208426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208423
it's discussing deporting the parents as of last week. Which is why i'm dealing with it this week.

It's quite possible that i can refer to any thing with people and be excluded from discussion even if i am white.

This is what i would refer to as the problem of losing perception.


On Psychedelics by The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:31:38 EST ID:hX9kQ/Yg No.208372 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Mental disorders ultimately take the form of repression reinforced by the ego, manifesting in the minor form as anxiety/depression and in the major as harmful abnormal behavior mounting in insanity. This is something already well known to modern psychology, but the approach of many is to judge which repressions are good verses those that are bad, and so the patient also judges which aspect of his/her repression is good/bad. This process “works” but is inefficient and ultimately only serves to reinforce the cause of the repression in the first-place, the ego.

The quickest, most human way of destroying repression and healing the psyche is to destroy the ego, this is because once the ego is destroyed one can face the complete form of emotion being repressed within the individual without said individuals' ego getting in the way... but as it turns out the medicine is also the poison. We face ego-death everyday, but only those who really face themselves know what ego-death is. Ego-death occurs when we give ourselves up to something completely, the two most common forms being produced from love and sex... anyone who has experienced ego death in these contexts know they've experienced something more than what is considered normal, a mind which is shared by all humanity that evokes both spiritual and religious awe and is ultimately analogous with love. The choices we face also force ego-death upon us, but in a lesser form, and it is how we face these choices, which either promote health and dissolve the ego, or repress our emotions and cause the ego to grow.

When ego-death is faced this causes a surge of emotion that produces anxiety in an individual that can either be acted on by fleeing from it, which builds the ego and causes repression, or by accepting it, which produces positive emotions. When someone acts by fleeing there is positive emotion only after the action chosen changes the situation, and so the ego becomes convinced that it made the "right" choice in context of a "wrong" one. However because the ego gets in the way of one resolving the full emotional content of which the anxiety has been generated from, the feelings and significance of the event which caused the anxiety …
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:22:52 EST ID:hX9kQ/Yg No.208379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208374
I think there is indeed a social responsibility to predict ambiguity, but only insofar as to what is relative towards what is being said in context to the environmental circumstances which the thing was placed in. I think those who view work as an act of dominating will, miss the joke of the irrelevancy of any work to achieve lasting effects. Like any Social Justice Warrior or a Neo-Nazi, they take acts of will far too seriously and loose themselves in the illusion of change, which inevitably leads to us vs them thinking.

Psychedelics and how they should be viewed in society catches me at my most political, because I think they represent a cause most void of political infighting. Instead of ideals changing peoples minds, it's a physical substance which has the power for people to change all on their own. Instead of trying to fight for a given truth, it represents the fight for individuals to find their own truth, and that is something I think is worth fighting for far more than any rally against a given inequality.
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:49:49 EST ID:hX9kQ/Yg No.208380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208379
Random thought, I would be really interested to see what Camus' reaction to LSD would have been.
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Hamilton Harringwell - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 23:08:24 EST ID:w9KFVcbk No.208385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208372
I have an anxiety disorder. I get panic attacks with ego death I think. When I used to smoke a lot of weed I would feel gone and only be experiance. Panic attacks are a little like this. Also I just tell myself I am going to die and then it goes away.
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Reuben Gorrywill - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:48:23 EST ID:+oDzYIVl No.208386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208379
Well being able to acquire them some day would be nice it especially helps with philosophy and learning difficulties.
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Shit Trothall - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 08:18:34 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208372
>Mental disorders ultimately take the form of repression reinforced by the ego, manifesting in the minor form as anxiety/depression and in the major as harmful abnormal behavior mounting in insanity.

What the fuck? Mental disorders are abnormal thoughts, brought about by chemical inbalances or radically disturbing events unfolding around the unfortunate sufferer.

There's nothing about fucking egos. What the fuck you on about nigga.


the why of progress by Shit Carryfield - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 19:16:36 EST ID:jDHD98qF No.208255 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Also following the Anger Masturbations post about having a civil coversation, I'm going to ask a relatively simple question.

And it's this; we can all agree the state of the world is pretty chaotic, at least for a lot of people relative to five or ten years ago. This is clearly reflected in the politics of our times. No matter how bad things get and no matter how many people in response stop and say 'okay now is the time to really get serious and fix things, before there's no going back', things keep moving forward. The question I have is why. Why is it that the idea that things are wrong right now, and they were right in the past-- so universal, while any proposals to change things back are always controversial?

My biggest suspicion is the loud minority that destroys most civil conversations and keeps progress from being made. But surely if enough of the majority were trying they're best to do it, they should be able to carry on a conversation even despite a bit of trolling going on. So it also can be that people just aren't trying they're best, that they don't really care and they're distracted enough by the stresses of their lives to try to fix the world. Or maybe even the majority doesn't really care.

Or maybe, and this is the most interesting to me, this is all just an inevitability. There are technological revolutions going on that act on the human race as almost a sort of 'puberty', and it's insane to thing humans _would_ be able to keep on top of this. If this were the case, then what's going on sucks but it's fine, because people will learn to live with one another and things will even out.

Of course there's also the view that a certain portion of the population have just been so screwed over that they don't just not give a shit, they wanna burn everything down. They may not cognizantly be planning the end of the world, but they go 'eh fuck it maybe I will vote for X extreme referendum, one the one hand it might end well but even better it might end in the end of the world'. I've met a few people like that.

Maybe it's everyone? But the world is always complicated. Or maybe it's no one.. and thi…
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Fuck Sellerwire - Tue, 08 Aug 2017 23:44:49 EST ID:2QVpvEwX No.208349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208255
chaos is a ladder
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Jack Cemmlefuck - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 02:58:11 EST ID:4FAq+MEK No.208351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because "the past" is usually code for "my past" and "was better" is usually code for "I didn't have to work back then"

There is no progress of humanity, just a bunch of changes with pros and cons, done by people with their own agenda. The human race is just the backdrop
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Fanny Gandershit - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 11:41:48 EST ID:+oDzYIVl No.208355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208351
it's often just as much code for "i did have to work back then" and "they don't have to work now"
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Sidney Sengerhall - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 20:26:34 EST ID:4FAq+MEK No.208358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208355

Now that's just depressing
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Samuel Bunham - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:02:01 EST ID:+oDzYIVl No.208362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208358
it's depressing but important. Because it's harmful rhetoric sometimes it's the beginning of people giving back to society. The past and memory is as much a mystery and at times even harder to take emotionally as/than the mysteries of space and time. It's the beginning of a human trial that can lead you into what you would call and elder in society. Dealing with the feelings of change flux and even angst and alienation can just lead you into an appreciation of the different generations as an discomfort.


Trans and Homophobia in Black Culture by Fanny Bungershit - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:24:03 EST ID:KAjNPewV No.208321 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_communities

Recently, a black comedian made public statements claiming he would physically assault a woman if he "found out it was a guy". An article was posted in a FB group about the incident, so I asked if he had tried to use his blackness as an excuse for his transphobia. I caught lots of shit for being a racist but it's a known fact that homophobia and transphobia are prevalent in ethnic minority cultures, even in the U.S. Why is it okay for minorities to be homophobic and why can't anyone call attention to this problem without being called racist?
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Doris Sucklefeck - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 12:35:21 EST ID:PRZEuW/2 No.208322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208321
because thanks to pc/victim culture that has been championed by hand-wringing knee-jerk reactionaries, you're not allowed to criticise minorities with legitimate concerns anymore. and you were all warned about this, but those who chose to speak up about it were called things with -ist and -phobic suffixes. nice to know that people like us were right though.

the phrase, "you've made your bed, now lay in it" comes to mind...
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Jenny Mucklenuck - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 14:04:57 EST ID:6rrTuWfz No.208323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You literally only heard about this because he was called out on it. Stop with the fake outrage.
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Angus Wizzlemidge - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 14:11:39 EST ID:CQFMNQ4/ No.208324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
/pss/ is turning into /pol/.

I also don't think black people are afraid of gays or trannies so phobia doesn't make sense.

Additionally, I think there is a higher prevalence in black for homosexuality. I could be wrong on that but I think there are studies claiming somewhere around 7-10% of black males exhibiting homosexual traits or at the least bisexual tendencies. Again, I don't have that(those) study though. There is also a significantly higher likelihood for American blacks to be impoverished and or poor. Poverty is well known to be linked to herd mentality and bigoted tendencies. Along with hyperbolic ideas on what people should or shouldn't be. It doesn't take long to be around poor people to see that they all think people should be this or that and that they are very opinionated. Poor males will almost always think in terms of masculinity and other such shit. Being gay is for weak faggots etc. So homosexuality is persecuted in poor, black, males. Just as homosexuality is downtrodden by poor, white, males. The key here being poor and male obviously.


>Speaking from personal experience, there seem to be more gay black males but only slightly and don't even make gay jokes around black men who are from the ghetto or very poor. They get up in arms over anything homosex for whatever reason. "Thou Doth Protest Too Much" perhaps?

I guess it is a generalization or stereotype but poor people seem to have the biggest issue with homosexuality, just like poor people are more likely to be stupid, have a ton of kids, commit crimes, end up in prison, do drugs, be an addict, and be religious. I'm sure that will piss plenty of people off. Who are likely poor. Race doesn't really seem to matter as much aside from perhaps a potential higher rate of homosexuality in blacks.
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Angus Wizzlemidge - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 14:21:28 EST ID:CQFMNQ4/ No.208325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Double post, kill me now amirite?

I dunno about where you live but if black people say faggot or chastise gays, they get the same level of punishment as white people or anyone else. At least in places where it matters. I don't rail on any comedian for anything unless they are unfunny. No jokes should be barred. It is comedy, I don't take anything a comedian says as rule of law or seriously. They are just trying to make you laugh. People who get pissed over a joke or a comedian are not people I associate with regardless.

Among friends, informal situation, etc nobody gets "punished" for homosexual slurs or "hate speech." Even if it gets posted online, only high profile people get shat on. Regular 9-5 black people, white people, etc aren't going to get punished by society for saying faggot or whatever. In the workplace, it is the same story for everyone, termination. In school it is the same story for everyone, expulsion. In public office, it is the same story for everyone, removed.

This whole double standard shit is retarded. Nobody gets preferential treatment anymore unless you have an army of lawyers to cover your ass. A rich black person can call white people the devil and his army of lawyers will cover him. A rich white person can scream niggers into a megaphone from a skyscraper and his army of lawyers will cover him. This is all such a joke and bread and circus for stupid people. The US and the world have much greater issues than the current level of racism/hatespeech/whatever we have. The (bigotry issues) has been quelled enough now that other fires need to be put out.

>But retards love an Us vs. Them riot.
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Matilda Senderhutch - Mon, 07 Aug 2017 08:24:59 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Black people tend to be kneedeep in the retarded Jesus Christ desert demon worshipping death cult bullshit. You know, that idiotic religion imported from Judea.

Religion ruins everything. Save the planet. Kill Christians. 666 speed metal for lyfe /thread


Racism by Rebecca Greenwill - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:52:29 EST ID:RJGzRrNh No.207576 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Posting here because social sciences.

What really determines if someone is racist?
Earlier today i was walking to collect my mail and throw my rubbish in the bin when i passed some black kids a boy and a girl, we smiled and nodded at each other but about half way to the letterbox i felt an unease and immeditly thought that these kids were going to rob me, they didnt, but i cant ignore that thought. Am i racist? would i have thought that if they were white, maybe if they were tatted up white kids who seemed like they had a drug problem.

So what is racism? Was i being a racist?
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George Fottingsire - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:31:10 EST ID:WFGKCTJE No.208262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208258
No, you said you wanted to discuss 'race reality' without it turning into a fight. Which means you want to be at a place where no one at all would disagree with you. There's quite a broad space between arguing an opinion different from other posters and being a troll, or don't you know that?
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Hugh Denningpotch - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:02:50 EST ID:0mGiprQj No.208279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208262
> I don't want to fight = I don't want anyone to disagree with me.
Lol bruh.
Are you saying that disagreement and fighting are hand in hand and that no disagreement can occur peacefully and civilly?
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Hugh Denningpotch - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:05:08 EST ID:0mGiprQj No.208280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208260
Let me say this to you, Flicker. If you've got what it takes to discuss race without throwing insults, I'll happily discuss it with you. We can discuss the definitions of the words, the way society feels about these words, genetics, memetics, whatever. I'd like that.
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Cedric Clorringspear - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 17:35:56 EST ID:cc26aplb No.208327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207579
Wouldn't it just be easier to say that everyone is racist?
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Wesley Guddlesure - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 04:55:32 EST ID:4FAq+MEK No.208342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208327

But then how can he fool himself into thinking he's not as censorious and intolerant as the people he's attacking?


jolly african-american by Charlotte Sommerpag - Sun, 02 Jul 2017 17:29:16 EST ID:9uFbRE+4 No.208264 Banned Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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when will it be socially acceptable for a white person to say jolly african-american? And why is it THAT offensive to begin with? We give the power to words. I get that nowadays we're still relatively fresh out of Jim Crowe and things race relations are still kind of tense but surely eventually there will come a time somewhere down the line where we finally have perfect equality, will the word still be offensive? What about when we all look about the same a thousand years from now, will it still be offensive THEN?

I'm not trying to be edgy here, even though I personally think it's stupid to let sound waves cause so much trauma, I don't say the word around people I know it will offend (at this point mostly everyone). I'm just really curious when it will stop.

Also do you think we'll keep inventing new words to be offended by or will we finally get passed this?
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Phineas Guzzlelock - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 13:31:38 EST ID:WFGKCTJE No.208270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208268
>>legal rights enshrined in the code of law in a handful of countries
>>is the same as
>>the totality of all structural, institutional, and personal biases prevalent throughout all cultures globally
No.
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Betsy Brenderbug - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 09:17:09 EST ID:1kfT+DW9 No.208272 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>208268
>hey guys if you ban guns people will just find another way to kill
>hey guys discrimination is mostly illegal so racism can never happen
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Sophie Banderway - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 05:37:58 EST ID:9MuVP7BI No.208319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is my opinion.

Western society should not tolerate or permit reactionary violence.

If you call someone a name and he lays you out he accepts the consequences this might bring. BUT IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY as an individual to own up for his actions and therefore he should be at fault for not showing the restrain that an Asian person would show.

If you called an Asian person a name and he lashed out at you, you would probably tell him to calm down, and if he attacked you, that's the action he decided to take as an individual.

It's so bad because black people are conditioned socially and white civilization is too often in agreement. If a black person is called a word, he MUST use violence, and well, the other guy deserves it.

I understand the history of the word, that's not an excuse for violence, which should be viewed as a disproportionate reaction that has no place in a civilized society.

Have the strength to call him a pussy white boy with a small dick & walk away and if he continues to challenge you, beat him until he learns what respect it - that is proportional, and it's what real men do.
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Angus Wizzlemidge - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 09:01:20 EST ID:CQFMNQ4/ No.208320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think it is childish to get pissed off over a word and intent is everything.

To me, jolly african-american is basically comparable as big stinky doo-doo head. It is just a word and I'm not going to get pissed off over it. Now if someone is shouting racial slurs and acting they are going to fight then it is a threat. But just using the word isn't bad. I also hate how people are so uptight about racial slurs. It seems to me that they are always quick to say motherfucker, cunt, cock etc without a mere flinch and that isn't "polite" either. So it doesn't make any sense, so humans.

It may be condescending but only little and insecure people get their panties in a bunch over a sound you make with your vocal chords. Pens and swords do a million times more damage.
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Augustus Blackdock - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:10:50 EST ID:RH79YvEw No.208617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208320
What intent could you possibly have using the word that isn't racist, aside from the obvious examples (quotes or song lyrics). White people who just really wanna use the word without being vindicated, probably don't have very real problems. Notice how they trivialize the meanings of words in attempt to downplay the seriousness of real life, where racism is much more than a word


how do i study ethics of AI by Albert Pullywill - Thu, 04 May 2017 22:37:43 EST ID:pvzTt7LE No.208110 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What academic discipline would things like Ethics of artificial intelligence, internet privacy, the implications and possibly negative societal consequences of having free, uncontrolled information via the internet fall under?

I've been reading about the history of the internet, books on psychology and internet addiction and how people are getting fucked up in the head from too much twitter and 4chinz. It's super fascinating, especially with everyone shitting their pants about "fake news", but i have no direction with how to formally study this shit.

Public Policy? Grad school for philosophy? Law? how do i study tech ethics in school
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Doris Donningkick - Fri, 12 May 2017 20:09:08 EST ID:YJnEert2 No.208140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This whole site discusses a lot of these subjects. A lot of smart cookies here.

Also link on the study on the future?
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Doris Donningkick - Fri, 12 May 2017 20:09:45 EST ID:YJnEert2 No.208141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208140
Study on the future I meant, not future
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Doris Donningkick - Fri, 12 May 2017 20:10:27 EST ID:YJnEert2 No.208142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208141
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Doris Drumblechid - Fri, 12 May 2017 22:30:49 EST ID:2q4ig4PV No.208143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Here's a good resource for casual study and this essay seems legit: https://www.academia.edu/2473509/Crucial_Considerations_Essays_on_the_Ethics_of_Emerging_Technologies
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Oliver Piddlewure - Tue, 01 Aug 2017 19:14:42 EST ID:PRZEuW/2 No.208317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208110
this is a pretty good paper

https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.02817


I smell chaos all over the damn place by Esther Cundleville - Sat, 17 Jun 2017 08:59:34 EST ID:Sm7nPCsL No.208243 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What would happen if the world changes faster than people, and can that happen indefinitely?

In the Nordic countries, the amount of children going through a sex change is increasing every year. This is all good or not depending on what you think but the undeniable thing is that this is a big change taking place. Maybe just one of many examples of big change. What i fear is that the current social order and history has lead humanity to a certain point, it's a world where culture can't keep up with all the changes yet at the same time there is no alternative to this obsolete culture.

It's like because our reality is different, we become different but we don't even have time to adjust.
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Ernest Singerpork - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 00:01:20 EST ID:kAzZP0bJ No.208292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208290
>calm down
calm down? on the version of /pol/ where everybody thinks the're a philosopher? HAH!
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Jack Crablingbid - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:11:26 EST ID:QpaoOR2q No.208293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208292
calm down in a thread with an op hysteric about children changing sex.
I just did a quick google search btw, and found out children can change their gender by filling out a form. Before that you had to actually undergo surgery for a sex change to be recognised.
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Augustus Monnerhat - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:06:14 EST ID:Sm7nPCsL No.208294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208292

The irony is that i simply mentioned ts children, proves how sensitive the issue is.
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Isabella Sonningfuck - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:44:22 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208290
>You two need to calm down.

Says the fag crying about shit no one cares.
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James Crappersutch - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:52:00 EST ID:Sm7nPCsL No.208296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>208295

I don't know seems like some people had a lot to say in this thread, maybe they can read what it's actually about. So yeah, calm down and suck on a pacifier.


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