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Callout Culture by Basil Crindersun - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:44:07 EST ID:oDJItcGo No.207590 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Have y'all ever had the pleasure of being called out? I know the supposed purpose is this is to warn others about "dangerous" people but in practice I don't think I've ever seen it used like that. It's all nothing more than insecure people trying to outshame each other, usually hypocritically. Most fandom drama I've seen is played out exactly like that.

I'd put it on kids being immature, but grown adults do this sort of thing all the time. I think part of it is because people are jealous of other people's talents, so they target creators whose abilities they covert and hide behind the excuse of them drawing porn of children's cartoons of something.

I just wonder what motivates people to get so angry at cartoon drawings they have to attempt to destroy a person's life.
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George Dummledale - Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:42:12 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207644
So true and wise.

They reject the police because they're being lied to. They think the police are some sort of gang, like in Mexico. They say things like, 'You'll think differently when the police shoot your son!'
Americans are wrapped in paranoia, especially surrounding the police. Literally every encounter I've had with the police, while breaking a law or not, have been very cool and chill, and the police clearly just cared about making sure everything was safe. Except for this one time a cop tried to fight me when I was 17 and bike riding in the Jersey Shore. I'm sad I didn't call the police to file an official complaint about that 20-something steroided-up little fucker.
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Cedric Dommlestone - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:01:11 EST ID:58c+uNGL No.207658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207644
I don't mean to challenge you sir. Because I am absolutely fascinated by what you've said. Could you name any of these "radical circles" by name or are you just generally associating that with the anti-authoritarian left?
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Molly Subberfield - Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:55:39 EST ID:Am93n9Du No.207668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207658
Please, challenge all you like. Yeah I was speaking in general regarding the anti-authoritarian left. Sometimes drama would bubble-up on the internet. Though no specific examples come to mind.
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Rebecca Bozzleway - Fri, 03 Feb 2017 05:14:04 EST ID:YONArVoZ No.207684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Now I remember why I don't come here, /pss/ is the most autismal board on the site.

nb
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Frederick Brurringdetch - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 08:57:49 EST ID:p7ZQMKx+ No.207735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Scratch?


There's absolutely no central ethos driving modern thought and this is a good thing by Edwin Hickleket - Thu, 26 Jan 2017 19:57:41 EST ID:/8HhZCXH No.207641 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Every time it's a slow news day for some posh culture zine I see articles crop up about what makes this generation tick. They say we're too detached and ironic one day and then the next they say we're big on sincerity. We either care too much or too little about the world, relationships, religion, everything. They go on and on about what philosophies dominate our youth culture but what they say we think is constantly changing and never really gets it right. There aren't any movements in our culture that take hold of the vast majority of young adults anymore. There aren't any cultural idols or iconoclasts. There are very very famous people but for everyone who worships the ground these celebrities walk on there are as many who would spit in their faces. The Internet and in general the free access to information and quality of our schooling has brought up a generation where almost no one agrees on anything. Everyone has their own ideas about everything because they don't have to get their belief system from either their parents and teachers or counter-cultural movements. People can go online right now and read thousands of pages from the great works of every philosopher who has ever lived and been recorded. They don't have to suffer through learning by a lesson plan that directs their thought by only including the "right" things. And they don't have one single alternative to what's considered the "culture" of the "majority" at the second. Sure, most people don't care about any of this stuff and they just want to eat, sleep, fuck, feel valued and have fun but that's how it's always been. Only recently has the lack of any philosophical guidance brought this to light. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this way of thinking either. It doesn't make them dumb or immoral it just means they don't have any interest in ideology. If 99% of people in the world were like this it would still be better than when people followed a belief system insincerely because that's what they were supposed to or because they wanted to rebel. I think maybe someday this will change, I don't know how it could but it might, maybe by force of som…
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Hedda Crommlebury - Sat, 28 Jan 2017 16:48:00 EST ID:BKJX7E+7 No.207646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I tried to read your post mate, but it's a wall of text in the fullest extent of the word.

Please use spaces between chunks of texts next time ok?
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Eugene Dartbanks - Sun, 29 Jan 2017 00:42:57 EST ID:wbhmCm0d No.207648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207641
The past wasn't homogeneous either, we just tend to pigeonhole things more when they're further from us.


Existential dread by Polly Pishbanks - Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:50:50 EST ID:fxoRXnTe No.207530 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /pss/, sorry for not being more philosophical, but I would like to get some advice from you all. It'll be hard to present my problem in a way that will yield the best results, so bear with me.
My friend has been struggling with finding a meaning to life. He's very intellectual, so he has done a lot of his own research by way of philosophy, and I'm pretty sure he considers himself an Absurdist. But he's not comfortable with the fact that nothing has meaning. Now I've read some Camus and I do agree that there is some quelling of these anxieties in the fact that at least Nothing is real, but this isn't enough for my friend. I've tried to get him to explain his feelings a bit more but I don't want to act like I'm analyzing him by writing things down as he explains. So again, I apologize if none of this is very clear.

That being said, I'll share some of the things I can recall him saying. He says he's bored with everything, and a lot of things that once gave him joy fail to excite him any longer. Some of these things are simple, such as video games, and he says he dislikes activities like this because they're not beneficial over time. So I ask why he doesn't do something that is beneficial, such as reading a book or learning something new. He does a lot of reading and learning, but again argues that even all this knowledge he acquires has no benefit because it will all die with him. Another thing I noticed when he talks about this is that he often says 'nothing matters on a cosmic level'. I tried saying that everything serves a purpose, using the example I read on here how a table is more than the sum of its parts, it serves a purpose for us to use it to rest things on. He then said that everything is nothing but atoms, and atoms have no purpose and that they simply exist.

I don't know. He finds no purpose in anything. I want to help him find a purpose for at least some things. Science can't really prove that there is a meaning for things, so I'm at a loss for what to tell him.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Wed, 04 Jan 2017 23:25:35 EST ID:vano1wpA No.207546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207545
It's a consequence of the totalizing effect of secular materialism on people's understanding of the world. Without a God, they conclude there is no locus of causality and morality, and therefore there must be nothing at all; they don't realize that to pose the question (of existential meaning) is already to be defeated.

Let me share something a very smart man once told me. Imagine arranging everything this way:

Aesthetic
Moral
________
Logical
Theoretical


"Aesthetic" here means what's apparent to the senses, "logical" the system of inductive and deductive reasoning, and "theoretical" the overarching framework of knowledge. Now what he convinced me of is that the only sensible way to understanding is by going from the top down -- you start with the sensory realm, you use that to develop your moral conscience, you use that to develop your system of reasoning, and finally you arrive at your theory of the world. The failing of countless otherwise very intelligent people throughout history is they went they wrong way about it. If you start by elucidating your theory of reality, you will never get to a correct moral understanding. That's why there's a line between the moral and logical. You can't get there from here.

"The meaning of life" is going about it totally backwards. What can be said at all? This (consciousness) appears to be a source of mattering. Now one has an axiological leg to stand on. Have I made my point clearly?
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Phoebe Berrypag - Thu, 05 Jan 2017 03:28:33 EST ID:M2a7S9cl No.207547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207546
Simply to exist and perceive is meaningful? Regardless of our notions about anything, personal or greater insignificance, wonder can be standing on the porch, listening to the rain, smoking, breathing, feeling the wind, gravity, my posture, seeing the city move, and a fat racoon cross the street.

That our ideas are the product of our experiences is generally a Phenomenological concept. I mean of Jean-Paul Sartre's thought, particularly "Being and Nothingness", about alot of things, consciousness in relation to becoming, having a dream or aspiration, which is negated by the possibility of not following through, or other real or imagined selves who have same or similar aspiration and don't follow through, but also reaffirmed by the possibility of actualizing the goal in reality. In between the intention and the action is nothing.

The translator has a far better summation in the introduction, my knowledge is pretty nil here. There's an interesting bit about emotion in the introduction too. Here's a long quote from the first chapter, the Origin of Negation, V the Origin of Nothingness
https://books.google.com/books?id=X6RtpboH478C&lpg=PP1&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false

"I assert that I am my essence in the mode of being of the in-itself. At the same time I always refuse to consider that essence as being historically constituted and as implying my action as a circle implies its properties. I apprehend it, or at least I try to apprehend it as the original beginning of my possible, and I do not admit at all that it has in itself a beginning. I assert then that an act is free when it exactly reflects my essence. However this freedom which would disturb me if it were freedom before myself, I attempt to bring back to the heart of my essence--i.e., of my self. It is a matter of envisaging the self as a little God which inhabits me and which possesses my freedom as a metaphysical virtue. It would be no longer my being which would be free qua being but my Self which would be free in the heart of my consciousness. It is a fiction eminently reassuring since freedom has been driven down into the heart of an opaque being; to the extent that my essence is n…
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Phoebe Berrypag - Thu, 05 Jan 2017 03:31:32 EST ID:M2a7S9cl No.207548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207547 (continued)
However the examination of the question and of the negation has given us all that it can. We have been referred by it to empirical freedom as the nihilation of man in the heart of temporality and as the necessary condition for the transcending apprehension of negatites. It remains to found this empirical freedom. It can not be both the original nihilation and the ground of all nihilation. Actually it contributes to constituting transcendences in immanence which condition all negative transcendences. But the very fact that the transcendences of empirical freedom are constituted in immanence as transcendence shows us that we are dealing with secondary nihilations which suppose the existence of an original nothingness. They are only a stage in the analytical regression which leads us from the examples of transcendence called "negatites" to the being which is its own nothingness. Evidently it is necessary to find the foundation of all negation in a nihilation which is exercised in the very heart of immanence; in absolute immanence, in the pure subjectivity of the instantaneous cogito we must discover the original act by which man is to himself his own nothingness. What must be the nature of consciousness in order that man in consciousness and in terms of consciousness should arise in the world as the being who is his own nothingness and by whom nothingness comes into the world?

We seem to lack here the instrument to permit us to resolve this new problem; negation directly engages only freedom. We must find in freedom itself the conduct which will permit us to push further. Now this conduct, which will lead us to the threshold of immanence and which remains still sufficiently objective so that we can objectively disengage its conditions of possibility--this we have already encountered. Have we not remarked earlier that in bad faith, we are-anguish-in-order-to-flee-anguish within the unity of a single consciousness? If bad faith is to be possible, we should be able within the same consciousness to meet with the unity of being and non-being--the being-in-order-not-to-be. Bad faith is going to be the next object of our investigation. For man to be able to question, he must be ca…
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 03:32:51 EST ID:vano1wpA No.207570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207567
>All the contents of the average human life is a salad bowl of circumstantial, transitory desires that do more to obliterate one's connection to their will to live than to advance any endeavor they may want to undertake before death.
Gotta be honest, this is a pretty bad sentence homie.
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Reuben Wirrystock - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:47 EST ID:Kyyd6tev No.207581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207570
>one grammatical error
>pretty bad
fo you i fix
>All the contents of the average human life are a salad bowl of circumstantial, transitory desires that do more to wear down their will to live than to advance any endeavor that one may want to undertake in life.


Ancient Chinese story by Sidney Pezzlekere - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 16:46:46 EST ID:0bScNOuz No.207458 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /pss/. I don't really venture into the social sciences too much so I'm not sure if this would be better suited for /his/ or not. In any case, a friend of mine who was a student of Eastern philosophy recently died. I have since then been trying to tack down a story he once told me. It was about an ancient philosopher who I think was Chinese. The story had the philosopher lying in a ditch when a person comes along and offers to help him. The philosopher made some clever remark and refused the man's help. I believe he said something about no one being able to help him but himself, or maybe he just liked the ditch or some other nonsense.

Does anyone on /pss/ know a possible source for this story or the name of the philosopher? I have tried multiple search engines and quieries to no avail.
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Shitting Gadgefoot - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 04:37:44 EST ID:j9/Y0UW9 No.207472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207458
Isn't this just another version of the "No thank you, I am a holy man, God will save me" story/joke? A man in trouble refuses the help of men coming to his aid saying that God will save him because he is a faithful man and believes in God, and eventually the man dies and when he gets to heaven he asks God why he didn't save him and God's like well I sent three guys to help you out dude!
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Thomas Pockstock - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:43:02 EST ID:iAquTtgI No.207473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's one about two monks who help a lady across a river and the lady doesn't say thank you, so later that day the young monk is like fuck that bitch and the old monk says "I carried her across the river, you've been carrying her all day."
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Hannah Feblingfit - Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:58:22 EST ID:rKFvzvQa No.207490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It may be a variation on one of those common stories. I was just wondering since I'm sure my friend said a particular name when he told it and I wanted to be able to look up the original text it came from. Thanks for taking a look at this.
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Eugene Pendlemut - Thu, 12 Jan 2017 06:05:50 EST ID:Jv6wkL6u No.207573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
pretty sure that the story OP is talking about is a zen koan, though I can't remember the specific koan in question.

Google "The Gateless Gate" and "Shobogenzo" and get reading, it'll be floating around somewhere on the internet.


NDE by Graham Docklewill - Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:30:31 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207543 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I've had a few NDE's, one of which was ongoing for months and months while the others were instantaneous. It was really the one that went on for months that had the most drastic impact by far.

But anyway, I noticed that I actually line up with all of these symptoms of NDE.
Anyone else here a fellow NDE'er?
http://iands.org/aftereffects-of-near-death-states.html
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Ebenezer Bloshworth - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:05:39 EST ID:xA39R98b No.207560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207557
I connect with the statement he made and see it this way:

Our consciousness is predisposed one way or another to not let it's full range be seen / known to us at our current stage of evolution. It's basic desire / goal is to experience and learn and it has realized down the line the experiencing and learning would become limited if we know and see everything in full range already. It's like opening up GTA San Andreas the first time and you've got 100% saved game with 98m. Now you don't even care about killing ballas anymore, you think you're just so far ahead. Or imagine living like the movie Limitless portrays. If everybody saw so far ahead, that there would be little to no chance for a downfall, the possibilities for deep-rooted lessons would become very limited. Eventually, I assume, people would be living their bliss with no burning desire (and I mean BURNING something like the desire to become wealthy that being all-out broke with a dream gives) to do anything, except longetivity. The huge unknown that's in front of our lives simply gives us all the possibilities and probabilities and is a tool of discovery.

Your consciousness wants to learn about self, so it wants to know and see how will you act and come along if X is Y, then Z happens. I believe there's a certain hierarchy of intelligence in play when it comes to our lives, minds and bodies, and I think we're somewhere at the mid-point or below the centerline. Basically I think we're noobs in the game of universe.
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Ebenezer Bloshworth - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:10:57 EST ID:xA39R98b No.207561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207560
Oh and free will. The unknown gives us or expands our free will.
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Charlotte Bluddlegold - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:48:51 EST ID:BKJX7E+7 No.207562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207556

>If consciousness is infinite and immortal, it is in your body's best interest, and is an emergent evolutionary phenomenon, for you to have no knowledge of this.

Yet there's plenty of religions that argue that we indeed have an immortal consciousness in the form of a soul. Believers "know" this to be true, and indeed act like it as well.

So there'd be a real issue here with your argument if we're gonna take the evolution of mind into context here.

My argument was that NDEs exist as a behavioral strategy to survive in the event that your old behaviors leads to your near-death. Sure, not a strong point and I can think of many counter-arguments, both evolutionary and philosophical, against it.

But yours is that the body itself has some mechanisms to prevent us from realizing our supposed immortal nature. This is in my view even worse, for example wouldn't our bodies prevent the development of spiritual religion as a consequence?
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Cornelius Gottingridge - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:49:58 EST ID:2GsJcMxc No.207563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207562
No, there are evolutionary benefits to believing in spiritual things without knowing them in the same way we know the feeling of gravity pushing our bodies down. it can help reduce anxiety and fear, and give one a sense of purpose to believe in spiritual things.

It's just like temperature. If we get too hot, we die, but with no heat we also die. There is an ideal amount of heat.

In the same way, there is an ideal amount of spiritual knowledge - a vague intuition, backed by belief. If the body allowed us to have too much spiritual knowledge it would threaten the body's survival, and if it allowed none, not even an unformed intuition of meaning, then its survival would also be threatened by nihilism which would lead to suicide of excessive risk-taking.

In fact, because religion and spirituality have evolved, we could say that it's in the body's interest to allow us to have partial, vague, obfuscated intuitions of immortality, while restricting clear knowledge of it.

I'm in a rush and I'm not alone right now, so this might not be as well formulated as it could have been.
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Jarvis Greencocke - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 21:57:39 EST ID:Z08uqMmD No.207564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm a little drunk so I couldn't read the whole thing, but I've almost died several times; not from physiological trauma, but from a more instantaneous variety.

I show alot of the outcomes, including a lack of fear of death, although a healty fear of dying stays with me; I don't think dying will be pleasant though the aftermath will be fine.

The most pronounced NDE that I had involved rolling in a car. I was uninjured, but was able to see my relative importance in this world. Watching the traffic on the highway pass by my totalled car, it showed me how insignificant I am to this world. The world just kept on moving past my world changing event. It made me cry at first, huddled up in a blanket I scavenged from my trunk, on the side of the highway. I'm not sure why I cried, maybe just coming to terms with how insignificant I am.

Well that's what I took from it.


"Loving" children by Hamilton Turveybanks - Tue, 03 Jan 2017 01:35:16 EST ID:Id5quEqH No.207537 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Sup /pss/, I gotta question. Usually when people think of pedophiles or hebephiles, people with a sexual attraction to the young and/or underage. the image we have is some sleezy pervert who exploits and manipulates children for his own sexual gratification. But do you think it's possible for a grown man or woman to genuinely experience what we would call "love" in the less familiar sense for someone who is underage and how underage and how far apart would the two parties have to be for it to be considered unreasonable?

Basically, what I'm asking is do you think it's possible for a person to be sexually attracted not so much to children, but to a particular child in such a way that it could legitimately be seen as love in the general sense as we understand it. And if that were the case, should society be willing to make a qualitative difference between that twenty or thirty something individual who engages in an otherwise monogamous affair with a thirteen year old boy or girl because he or she feels that they are "in love" with them, between him/her and say someone else who just has a queer sort of fetish for fucking thirteen year olds because "thirteen year olds are sexy"?
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Emma Gessletit - Tue, 03 Jan 2017 09:03:42 EST ID:cU67cn3z No.207538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207537
I think such a thing is possible, but doesn't address the main argument against pedos, which is that children are innocent and can't make decisions, etc.

I think I would be okay with such a case if the feeling was mutual and nothing sexual happened until everyone was the legal age for consent (which should probably be 16).

I remember this rabbi pedo who had gay crushes on a number of the little jew boys, but he never acted on his feelings because he cared about them in a genuine way and didn't just want to fuck. Iirc, he told people about his feelings on his death bed, and that he didn't act on them.
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Matilda Buzzway - Tue, 03 Jan 2017 21:03:25 EST ID:Id5quEqH No.207542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207538
>but doesn't address the main argument against pedos, which is that children are innocent and can't make decisions, etc.
>I think I would be okay with such a case if the feeling was mutual and nothing sexual happened until everyone was the legal age for consent (which should probably be 16).

I think most people would just say that a guy in his late 20's who falls madly in love with a 12 year old girl or a 30 something year old woman falling head over heels and writing love poetry for a 14 year old boy have mental problems. If the underage boy or girl also believed they had similar feelings, most people would probably tell them they're too young to understand.
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Angus Billingstone - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 20:07:08 EST ID:5FY/Jbq3 No.207555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207542
Yeah I agree lol. Only in strict situations (like post-apocalypse etc) could I sanction such a thing, and even then I can't imagine how intimate (non-sexual) romance could arise when an undeveloped brain is involved.


Castro by Shitting Foddlechine - Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:21:03 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207325 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Let's wax philosophical about Fidel Castro. The guy just died, but he was a living legend. Many loved him, many hated him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro

I think it would be awesome if we could discuss something like this in-depth. Like, if any of you are familiar with Castro, you should tell us how you feel about Castro and why. I don't want people coming in and being like, 'Oh he was just a cunt dictator' or 'Oh he was a hero', I want you guys to actually reference things Castro has done when you mention your opinion of him. Like, I think it'd be great if we could talk about the specifics of his presidency and rebellion.
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Polly Debberwater - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 19:43:16 EST ID:hvrM9XMO No.207416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207405
Which points would you like verified?

Here's the Katrina one:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9311876/ns/us_news-katrina_the_long_road_back/t/katrina-aid-cuba-no-thanks-says-us/
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/09/05/katrina.cuba/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
> Cuba: One of the first countries to offer aid, Cuba offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine. This aid was rejected by the State Department.[18] Also, before the 2006 World Baseball Classic, Cuba said they would donate their share of the winnings to Katrina victims to ensure the United States embargo against Cuba was not violated. However, after the tournament, the U.S. government refused to allow the donation.
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James Goodspear - Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:33:47 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A guy on Belgian TV had a very nuanced look on Castro.

The guy was a dictator and has done some really fucked up shit. Cuba is also in pretty bad shape.

But compared to other countries in Latin-America, he did pretty well - I mean they're better off than Haiti, and he wasn't fucking absolute evil, like Pinochet and his cronies.
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the flicker (Seinesgleichen geschieht) !FwnV7hV52I - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 01:18:50 EST ID:DDgF44Bp No.207506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207450
>Pinochet
That's the crux of the whole thing, isn't it? Pinochet assumed power in a US-backed coup. For more than a century, the US did things like occupy Latin American countries, back right-wing death squads, oust democratically elected socialist leaders, and alone, Castro's Cuba successfully resisted. The amount of resources that the CIA invested in toppling the government of a tiny, irrelevant nation is almost as mind-boggling as the fact that they failed. Castro held onto power despite the ruinous economic damage of US sanctions and hundreds of coup and assassination plots. For that I must admire him.
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John Fanson - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:12:40 EST ID:vzTBl2h4 No.207507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207325
He was just a cunt dictator, but I can't deny that he was also a hero.
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Charles Pibberhedge - Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:05:50 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I read some clickbait article today, '15 reasons why Che Guevara wasn't a hero.'
I thought it was hilarious. Just goes to show how fucking ridiculous people are.

I call them ridiculous because they considered Che a hero to begin with. Why would anyone consider a South American/African Communist warlord a hero? Oh, that's right, because his face is on a fucking t-shirt and he was an enemy of the USA.

These same retards think Fidel wasn't the hero. Why don't people know anything about history? Is history class in school pointless?


Sigismund Schlomo Freud by Eliza Clipperwater - Sat, 17 Dec 2016 03:48:34 EST ID:5RTvrSPf No.207468 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What can /pss/ tell a layman about Mr. Froids?
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Albert Pockgold - Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:12:23 EST ID:5RTvrSPf No.207503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So everyone talks about how his understanding of sexuality is profound and denied out of prudish objections. What exactly are the sexual truths he speaks of?
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Hugh Sobberchitch - Sat, 24 Dec 2016 19:04:11 EST ID:dm41dPYY No.207504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207503
Idk frood but ill try. Penis envy. People wanna fucl their parents
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Phoebe Semmlestog - Mon, 26 Dec 2016 22:50:56 EST ID:DLzNkYBL No.207509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207503
Mainly that every kind of volitional behavior and particularly subconscious impulses arise from sublimated or not so sublimated sexual/libidinal desires. Even phenomena so abstract as culture itself arise from the need to constrict and control the drive to obtain what one desires, and that these emerge from the sexual impulse because this is the only 'abstract' drive unlike the need for food, sleep, etc.
It's much more detailed than that, but that's the gist.
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Walter Brerringcocke - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 05:04:53 EST ID:fRXySuYb No.207513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207509
Sounds sort of like circular logic. I'm not necessarily arguing against it or that he is wrong but it seems like Solipsism, cool idea to think about but it isn't falsifiable so how can it be proven?

I could relate the fact that I walk slightly different from everyone else to sex if I wanted to get really contrived. I dunno mayne. Not saying it is wrong at all, I think he is on to something but how can it be a good hypothesis if it relies on the subconscious or a part of the brain that we can't access in an objective and scientific manner?
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Phoebe Semmlestog - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:29:32 EST ID:DLzNkYBL No.207514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207513
I don't see how it's circular at all. A circular argument requires the conclusion to be contained within the premise.
The fact that you walk differently from others IS due to re-directed libidinal impulses, under Freud's theory (unless it's a physical condition.) Your attempt to actualize your ego by behaving in a different way from your peers is a way of signaling your uniqueness to mates -- that one is actually pretty cut and dry.

Moreover, the subconscious is in no way unamenable to empirical ('objective and scientific') analysis. The subconscious is merely the part of the mind which is held at a level of attention so low that it doesn't enter into our executive process, which is a relatively small neural network. All subconscious brain activity occurs with the exact same kind of neuronal activity that conscious activity does, and in fact occurs in a vastly larger degree, so it is as directly susceptible to empirical investigation as everything else about the brain/mind.


Virtue signalling the internet and why does it happen like this? by David Fuckingford - Wed, 07 Dec 2016 02:26:20 EST ID:2IPvcf8v No.207417 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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There's been a lot more of people inserting politics into everything the last few years on the internet. And I don't care where you stand on the spectrum, right wing/ left wing whatever, its that this seems to find its way to every little corner now. With the election going on, you could expect a serious amount of shit flinging on various corners of the internet. That's normal. What isn't normal is how politicizised, how idealism central/focused every little corner of everything is getting lately.

There's become a contingent of people floating aroud the internet who immediately signal to their virtue whenever confronted with anything that they don't like. Its either gas them or, some new age political jargon with a bunch of made up word (they both suck) . Why is this young generation so focused on inserting politics into everything? I know idealism being a part of everything isn't something entirely new, but the way that its going on the internet now is a lot diffrent than things where going 10 years ago. People seem more likely to ally themselves with extremes instead of just tolerating and moving along. How did the internet become so much more socially concerned in the last ten years?

What can be done to combat virtue signalling? I feel like its poor form, but it seems to be getting more popular with people on both sides of the isle. Why does everyone seem to be getting more and more extreme in the last couple years (just take a look at something stupid like facebook or the youtube comments section, shits getting more virulent). ? In 2000 the internet was so damned exciting chat rooms and forums In 2006 I could talk to cool people about anything and laugh about stuff. In 2016 people quickly espoused their values to me repeatedly. Where did it all happen ?
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Cedric Bindlefone - Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:35:28 EST ID:0aDGMcny No.207492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207491
Nope, just know the consequences of getting on the wrong side of people on the internet especially in my profession. Why on earth would I want any kind of paper trail linking my real identity and my anon chan identity?
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Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Tue, 20 Dec 2016 07:58:52 EST ID:VD5wTDNK No.207493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207421

This is a retarded opinion. The internet has absolutely nothing to do with it. I honestly can't stand the constant "tsk tsk people can't control their behaviour, it's the internet framing the discourse" pseudointellectual garbage. People were more political than they are now in the first half of the 20th century and that had nothing to do with the methods of communication and everything to do with the unique political situation of the time. Class contradictions grow and subsume when capitalism faces new challenges. People were apolitical because from the 90s to mid thousands, there were no major political polarizations beside the Iraq war. Now were living in a world barely imaginable to us 5 years ago, with all of our idealistic stakes in the status quo smashed and our dreams fettered. Ideology is the product of a broken center, not Facebook shitposting groups.
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Cedric Bindlefone - Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:08:35 EST ID:0aDGMcny No.207494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207493
But OP's question was what is it about this time that makes it different? Yes, there have been times of greater or lesser political involvement in the past, and sure, by definition the fact that there's radicalization means the center has been abandoned. But why? How did the center get broken? What caused people to gravitate toward more extreme ideology? Surely you're not suggesting that communication technology has no effect on how or what people communicate?
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Fucking Fickledock - Tue, 20 Dec 2016 23:26:07 EST ID:AzrYc36y No.207495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207481
> trying to make them more inclusive by relying on rabid internet hate mobs who have nothing better to do than whine when a gay person is depicted in a game or a woman is depicted with realistic proportions.

This is a bit of a disingenuous take of their side, even though I agree the anti-censorship can get too overzealous.

It's a really blurry issue, but what it comes down to is that anybody should have the right to do what they want with their creative works, even if it means doing things I don't agree to, including self-censorship. If it's something that came from the government, then yeah, I'd be opposed to it. But a lot of these sort of decisions are just business people doing what they think will make them the most money without ruffling feathers of whatever region they're trying to sell. I think a lot of these decisions are pretty superfluous since anybody who is offended by Mika's ass will most likely not play something like Street Fighter that is known for its over-the-top characters. But usually these decisions don't affect the gameplay itself. I'm aware of the Fire Emblem Fates situation but I never played that so I don't know.

There is a good point to be argued about this sort of thing and whether or not self-censorship is truly censorship if they are not being pressured by government, and whether or not attempting to appeal to regional cultures by changing a creative product can be considered censorship even if it's done with the consent of the creators, but it's a nuanced one that can't be found when people on all sides are shouting over each other.

Is it really censorship, or just plain old pandering?
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Phyllis Poffingwater - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 00:02:19 EST ID:iAquTtgI No.207505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207492
Nothing has ever happened to a game dev online that were actually making real games.


Privilege by James Harringwill - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 04:49:29 EST ID:2PqYhULY No.206995 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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In my sociology class last week, we all lined up and took steps forward or back based on whether or not our answer to a question was privileged or not. I took the most steps forward, being a tall white male of middle class origin.
What do you think of this exercise? Has your privilege ever been checked?
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Frederick Toothall - Sun, 11 Dec 2016 01:35:34 EST ID:0aDGMcny No.207444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207436
I see where you're coming from, and it does make sense in a certain way. I also am glad one thing we've removed from the discussion is the issue of the way people utilize the privilege concept. Some progressives take it too far, drink their own kool-aid and generate new oppression, some conservatives use fear of the concept, drink their own kool-aid, and generate new oppression, but neither of those facts bear on the concept which we can analyze separately. But here are some additional things I'd like you to consider:

Since we've kind of drilled past privilege into looking at social stratification itself, I have to ask: do you believe that the world is a zero-sum game? By that I mean do you think that there is always only a set amount of 'goodness,' value, utility, whatever you want to call it about the world, and that all possible social conditions merely re-arrange the location of those values in a way that doesn't change the total?
Alternatively, do you think it's possible that some arrangements of society have more or less total value than others?

Your hobo $1 scenario makes sense if the world is a zero-sum game. If being poor is bad, and having wealth is bad, then gaining or losing wealth does not alter the value of one's experience so it's credible to argue that there is no reason to do it.

Personally, I don't see the world as a zero-sum game. The value of society is epi-phenomenal, it is something that is more than the sum of its parts. Moving wealth from the wealthy to the poor doesn't merely switch who plays the role of wealthy and poor. If done correctly it can actually lift up the part of the equation that was down before while the other remains up, and thus the whole is improved.

This has actually happened across time, if you look at the growth of the total GDP of the whole planet across history. At any moment in history, there is definite and constraining scarcity, so little can be done but shift around the existing oppression tokens, perhaps improving the whole incrementally. But the long term consequences of value shifting around between different actors actually leads to gross improvements in conditions. Even assuming all the technological advances that could've happened otherwise still happened, if only the people who had money and power in 1066 (or an equivalent proportion per capita) were the ones to have money and power now, the total GDP of the world would be a tithe of what it is now, because the mere friction of that value changing hands, both in the direct form of capital and the subtle form of power and privilege spreads the 'heat' of value throughout the medium.

To get out of the abstract into the specific; yeah, if someone ham-fistedly tries to call someone out on privilege and is an ass and just makes a scene, probably all they've done is increase the total oppression in the world, because they made the other person feel oppressed and did nothing to minimize the initial offense. Zero-sum game (actually potentially negative-sum.) But if it is done with finesse, the 'offending' person might actually come to understand how not to be as oppressive while not feeling personally slighted themselves, and then the whole actually benefits -- positive-sum game.

As for the particular of Africa, that's a bit of a different ball of wax. Trying to 'fix' people by forcing them to become a mirror of yourself is of course the classic 'White Man's Burden.' It is particularly disastrous in Africa, where merely trying to copy Western style civilization onto African civilization is fraught with problems (as a simple example, Western style ultra-concentrated urban planning is a really fucking bad idea in a continent ravaged by malaria.)
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Ian Gevingman - Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:06:29 EST ID:kunpsrz1 No.207456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207444

We'll we've been chugging along at this for a while and I have enjoyed it. I'll try to cut to the root of where i'm coming from.

Is the world zero-sum?

For me I think it is subjectively zero-sum, and it is in the subjective world that people live. A poor hobo in today's world would be quite well off in 2000 BCE, yet they don't carry themselves around like kings. They are downtrodden, why? Because their relative wealth is terrible. So I think the world is generally zero-sum until we fix the resource scarcity problem, because otherwise we are just moving relative wealth around. Objectively speaking America's poor is in decent shape compared to Zambia's poor, etc. I'm also not sold (yet) that the world would be better off without suffering, as suffering seems to serve as a great inventive/creative impetuous. But that's for another time.

To the end point you made about people 'asking' for money, I think there needs to be a distinction made here between the deserving poor and undeserving poor. People can ask for money without needing money, are people morally obligated to give cash to any obnoxious child who wants to spend $7 on pokemon cards? This can circle down the drain of the 'argument against reason' thing we did earlier so i'll stop there.

But more importantly, how much money is 'enough?' And to bring it back to the oppression framework, what state of non-societal oppression is enough to say we're done? Where is the objective standard? There really isn't one, the left is satisfied with just saying its there, not enough to say there is an end game, we can double back here to my point earlier about their end game sucking but like you say, different people have different arguments. Even though I believe other political ideologies (communists; workers controlling the means of production and run around 'crushing' bourgeoisie sympathizers) do have objective, reasonable end games. I have an end game with respect to the privilege/oppression framework, and its just based on the bullying/harassment relationship so I don't need to introduce this added layer (as heinous as it is).

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Thomas Crunkinstire - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:23:53 EST ID:0aDGMcny No.207462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207456
I don't think there is an end-game to politics and society, in general. I think any seemingly stable-state social structure is just biding its time to death. That merely to the point of saying there is no objective standard for saying when we are done futzing with society. Like you point out, even after a great advancement, eventually everyone settles down to seeing what is as the status quo and coming up with new things to gripe about. So every kind of societal process, whether it's managing oppression and privilege, cultural attitudes, political attitudes, whatever, will always be constantly in a state of flux, because even if it reaches what on the surface might be a stable state, human nature will cause it to destabilize again into new polarities.

So there is no end game. We will always be dealing with all the shit we are dealing with now, much like how the shit we are dealing with now is just a fancy re-hash of the same shit we have always been dealing with. But, that doesn't mean we can stop working on it (it is that suffering that drives us forward as you mention, which we carry within ourselves as much as comes at us from outside) or that we have to agree on what is a good final state to work toward some state.

We will never all agree on a single standard of life as good, that's blatantly impossible, but even so we can't throw up our hands and give up the social experiment. This is not just applying to charity, but to all kinds of social change.

Lastly, on the subject of the 'minimum bar' of standard of life, I don't think it's such an unusual concept that as technology advances, and the total of possible goods people can experience increases, the median and therefore also the minimum amount of necessary goods shifted with it. In Ancient Greece a bed was considered a luxury item. Fifteen years ago cell phones were considered luxury items, and now they are considered a necessity. That's just a feature of technological advancement, you can't get away from the rising bar, and it has nothing to do with people becoming unreasonable in their demands and everything to do with technology's impact on society.
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Shit Gimmerwell - Fri, 23 Dec 2016 04:50:49 EST ID:U1j3ZEZp No.207498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I liked it better when it was called guilt-tripping
I wonder what'll happen when they realize it's fruitless. Riots?
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Shit Gecklekit - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 06:49:37 EST ID:XOqZWzTC No.207577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I bet all the girls in class thought about having your baby that day. Seriously.


John Dewey / Ulrich Beck parallels by Basil Wucklemotch - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 00:29:41 EST ID:ftwgE2AJ No.207457 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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TL;DR: Links or suggestions for quick resources I can use to compare John Dewey to Ulrich Beck

So, basically, I have been a lazy piece of shit and now I have about a day and a half to finish this assignment on similarities and differences between John Dewey's pragmatism and Ulrich Beck's Theory of Reflexive Modernisation, of about 15 pages, and all I have so far is the introduction and a bunch of notes. So I would very much appreciate some input, or resources with the same subject that I can work with.

I did Google around a bit, and I found some interesting papers like a Lecture given by Beck at Harvard University, where he mentioned Dewey several times (didn't read it yet though), and a paper by Bruno Latour, where he mainly compares his theory to Beck's, and only mentions Dewey in passing.
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Thomas Crunkinstire - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:39:40 EST ID:0aDGMcny No.207459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
/pss/ is not going to do your paper for you, and I doubt anyone here has specific enough knowledge on the similarities between these two you're trying to look at to really help you out anyway.
Read the sources you already have and start making shit up, at 15 pages in a day and a half you don't have time to wait around for people to come up with stuff here.


Election by Charlotte Lightshaw - Fri, 11 Nov 2016 14:10:42 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207192 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Philosophize about the Trump/Clinton election and the future of the USA.

I want to hear pros/cons, I want to hear different ways of viewing this, I want to hear pretty much anything that isn't fucking petty ass rhetoric from CNN or FOX.
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Charlotte Siddlehall - Mon, 05 Dec 2016 09:51:45 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Case and point; while Trump and the majority of his supporters valiantly preach and practice debate over fighting and peace over violence, the very few supporters who do preach violence and fighting are the ones positioned on the front pages of liberal news outlets. And then fanatical liberals create fake accounts and fake pictures/videos/screenshots of 'Trump supporters' and spread that shit like wildfire through social media.

There's a storm of propaganda gripping the USA, but luckily those of us from the left/center/right who realize just how much bullshit there is out there can usually band together in agreement that these things and the bullshit they produce is cancerous to society, and we all stand unified against it, yet our own peers and allies are already die-hard pawns who resent and oppose us for our stances, they regard us as 'enemies' because that's what their propaganda tells them to do.
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Simon Mabbleville - Mon, 05 Dec 2016 17:56:44 EST ID:0aDGMcny No.207399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207394
Well that's the problem with propaganda. No body likes it, but everyone uses it, and especially if you aren't willing to debate an issue over the accepted facts, you're left with no recourse but to deny those facts and thus start creating propaganda.
Propaganda is probably an intractable property of a civilization made of subjective entities. Unless everyone was omniscient, it will always be the case that most of the things that happen you won't be able to experience first hand and will thus have to rely on believing someone else's account, and as long as your belief or disbelief has tangible consequences for someone else, there will be an incentive to get you to believe or disbelieve things independently of what is actually true.
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Lillian Duckhall - Mon, 05 Dec 2016 22:11:03 EST ID:Id5quEqH No.207401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207393

Honestly, centrists can easily be more dangerous in my opinion because they basically soften people to the more radical ideas of the farther end of the spectrum that they otherwise would not accept. In a lot of ways the Nazis and the Bolsheviks were both centrist with respect to their own political environments. While the Nazis are sometimes categorized as right wing, this is only because they were anti-communist. The Bolsheviks too made a little changes to the original communist program to accommodate for less far left elements within society.

Often times, it is rarely the radicals on either side who take power or keep power for very long because their ideologies by literal definition are fringe and hard for the average person to accept or get accustomed to. It is usually those groups or leaders who can appeal to most if not all the competing elements of a given society, marginalizing radical minorities and bringing in people who are sitting on the fence and skeptical towards all views or attracted to select aspects of them all that they can't reasonably choose one.

If a society is thus sick in that spiritual sense, than the centrists, rather than embodying the best of traits, can easily embody the worst traits of their societies and become accepted only because they appeal to the least common denominator. This is more dangerous especially in democracies where there's no institutional buffer of "higher culture" or "higher values" that can potentially cancel out the more dark and twisted desires of the masses.
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Angus Denderteck - Wed, 07 Dec 2016 19:43:00 EST ID:fk7xMmwU No.207425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207393
Right-wing populism is not centrist. There is no value in centrism, depending on what way you are defining it; it either muddies the water by bringing people together under an overly broad, simplified label purely due to the fact that they are not Stalinists and neo-nazis despite how different their views are (which seems to be the way you are using the term) or it is a term that propagates horseshoe theory, glorifies a lack of strong principles and embraces compromise and "bi-partisanship".

Not being a stormfag does not make one centrist and not being a commie doesn't make one centrist. The current movement going on in Europe and America is not centrist; it is right-wing. There is nothing wrong with not being centrist.
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Hamilton Clillystock - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 15:08:04 EST ID:2IPvcf8v No.207427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well it took me a few to read through this whole thread, pretty enjoyable. Especially the stuff about trans humanism. I know that people are going to disagree with me on this, but I think that the importance of the president is getting massively oversold here. The things that trumps election mean? (Just some basic ones).

The american people are focused more on jobs, more on wealth, more on a basic identity. Its easy to oversell this sort of thing, cause the fringe of people who connect with some basic nationalism centric ideas can be out there. But what trump promised was more directly in relationship to people. That's why he won. Talking about job, national identity, that's a lot more over aching than hillarys ideas that she'd just be a better statesman. And while the mainstream media tried to sell that narrative hard, it didn't quite hit home. The msms influence is gone.

Now I know there's some definite panic. And I'd like to try and dissuade that. The basic value of democracy is that it allows things to swing, back and forth. The push goes from americas place in the world to its problems at home, from liberal to conservative. Nothing major and horrible is going to come out of this, its all just the shifting back in one direction for awhile. The us has headed in the direction of a more left leaning/ global agenda for awhile, now it'll be more nationalistic/right leaning for awhile. Its all part of the beauty of the system. And this doesn't mean collapse, quite the contrary it means that the ebb and flow is continuing to work, that's the point.

As easy as it is to say you live in times of major collapse, its quite unlikely. With global institutions like the un, the vested intrests of big companies, there's a lot of things to prop up the current system in place. And while there's going to be a bubble somewhere far off in the future that bursts? It's not going to be the dramatic catastrophic sort of thing, not for a long time. And not quite in your lifetime. By the time that even things like climate change start to get serious enough, the technology level to combat these things may likely advance enough to handle them. You live in a world of big mone…
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